Srebrenica: Denying Genocide

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0:00:00 > 0:00:04may find distressing.

0:00:17 > 0:00:27HAUNTING MUSIC THROUGHOUT.

0:00:27 > 0:00:32We didn't believe that we would be killed because there are so many

0:00:32 > 0:00:37people and I couldn't believe they could kill all of us.Srebrenica,

0:00:37 > 0:00:41the setting for Europe's worst atrocity since World War Two.

0:00:41 > 0:00:54Gunfire.In July 1995, Bosnian Serbs soldiers are sick of thousands of

0:00:54 > 0:01:00unarmed Muslim men and boys here. -- massacred. A small number of

0:01:00 > 0:01:09survivors have since returned.I had nightmares. And I didn't... Ever get

0:01:09 > 0:01:16rid off. Returning here and is living here maybe it is therapy for

0:01:16 > 0:01:21me.But the genocide verdicts of the International Court are being

0:01:21 > 0:01:25questioned by local politicians and the town's new mayor, even here in

0:01:25 > 0:01:28the very place where ethnic cleansing happened.Inflation

0:01:34 > 0:01:40-- the genocide didn't happen, that his officials.This man now finds

0:01:40 > 0:01:44his incredible story of survival of his community's re- identity, a

0:01:44 > 0:01:52matter of dispute.Almost 20 years I was violent. Later, I realised that

0:01:52 > 0:01:56we have to struggle for the truth, for our lives.

0:02:05 > 0:02:11He returned to Srebrenica ten years ago. He and his wife are bringing up

0:02:11 > 0:02:17their three daughters here. It is the Serb run entity within

0:02:17 > 0:02:20Bosnia-Herzegovina that was formally recognised after the war but with

0:02:20 > 0:02:26some Bosnian Muslims or Bosnia Acts believed entrenched Muslim cleansing

0:02:26 > 0:02:33-- ethnic cleansing. He is one of only six men and boys who survived

0:02:33 > 0:02:38being rounded up, taken to mass execution sites, and shot in July

0:02:38 > 0:02:481995, 8000 did not.I had something inside me to come here, to show them

0:02:48 > 0:02:59that I survived. Maybe it is the best answer to all of those who

0:02:59 > 0:03:07denied the genocide and it is a revenge.His decision to live here

0:03:07 > 0:03:13is cathartic and political. Aimed at those who wanted Muslims are raised

0:03:13 > 0:03:17from here. He says it is increasingly difficult.Life here is

0:03:17 > 0:03:26not easy. Today we fight for justice. It isn't finished. Without

0:03:26 > 0:03:35justice, there is no reconciliation. It is an illusion. I am worried

0:03:35 > 0:03:40because of this course and everywhere you have propaganda and

0:03:40 > 0:03:45because of that my wife just wants to leave Srebrenica.There are

0:03:45 > 0:03:51different realities here, many Bosnian Serbs see men deemed Walker

0:03:51 > 0:03:55and also as he arose when the political second in command from the

0:03:55 > 0:04:02war days was released from prison, he was fated. One person's

0:04:02 > 0:04:07nationalism is another's rightful pride in the country and with

0:04:07 > 0:04:11international eyes focused elsewhere, Bosnians fear the tide is

0:04:11 > 0:04:15turning. In a recent referendum, Bosnian Serbs voted overwhelmingly

0:04:15 > 0:04:19for the annual National Day, which the country's court had ruled

0:04:19 > 0:04:24illegal, and Bosnian Serb politicians from the President down

0:04:24 > 0:04:28don't accept international court verdicts concerning Srebrenica.

0:05:01 > 0:05:0622 years ago, Srebrenica was a place of fear. With Bosnian Serbs, Croats

0:05:06 > 0:05:11and Muslims killing each other across the region, the UN had

0:05:11 > 0:05:15declared the town of safe haven back in 1993 and thousands of Bosnian

0:05:15 > 0:05:25civilians flocked there. In among them young men. The siege by the

0:05:25 > 0:05:29Bosnian Serbs, abandoned by the UN in July 19 99. Agreeing to transport

0:05:29 > 0:05:35the refugees to safety, Bosnian Serb forces captured the town. The woman

0:05:35 > 0:05:39and her mother with the other women and children and were bussed out,

0:05:39 > 0:05:43the Bosnian Serb planned to kill the Muslim men and boys was under way.

0:05:54 > 0:05:57Have you watched those pictures, to your room but the feeling?Yes.

0:05:57 > 0:06:07Everything. It is... Painful to remember this. But it is part of

0:06:07 > 0:06:10life. Passed. Our past.

0:06:16 > 0:06:20The head of the killings, the leader of the Bosnian Serb forces general

0:06:20 > 0:06:25Ratko Mladic had a great play of promising civilians safe passage. He

0:06:25 > 0:06:30is now facing genocide charges at his trial in The Hague.

0:06:48 > 0:06:55The killing of Srebrenica's Muslims has been judged genocide by the war

0:06:55 > 0:06:59crimes tribunal in The Hague. The UN definition is the intent to destroy

0:06:59 > 0:07:02a group of people raced on nationality, race, ethnicity or

0:07:02 > 0:07:09religion.It was systematic killing, organised killing, and it was

0:07:09 > 0:07:14organised by, from a higher level, to achieve all of that you need so

0:07:14 > 0:07:24many resources, so many trucks, so many buses, so many et cetera.

0:07:30 > 0:07:35The scars of war are still evident in Srebrenica today. This was

0:07:35 > 0:07:40probably Muslim town but many who survived those times chose not to

0:07:40 > 0:07:44come back to a place international community had agreed would be part

0:07:44 > 0:07:53of the Bosnian Serb entity. There is a feeling of emptiness, of once

0:07:53 > 0:07:57thriving industries that never recovered. Economically depressed,

0:07:57 > 0:08:02life here is hard, any geek out a living in a way that has changed

0:08:02 > 0:08:06little over centuries. Last year, the town collected a new mayor who

0:08:06 > 0:08:11has promised economic development. It is the first time as Serb has

0:08:11 > 0:08:15filled the role since the war. His views on the Srebrenica massacre

0:08:15 > 0:08:21have caused alarm among Srebrenica who have returned.For me it isn't a

0:08:21 > 0:08:25problem to have a mayor who is a Serb, it is no problem, we are

0:08:25 > 0:08:33looking for more tolerance. He is a guy who denies all past, denies the

0:08:33 > 0:08:35genocide.

0:08:40 > 0:08:44The Balkans have always been a powderkeg and is now the agreements

0:08:44 > 0:08:47that brought about the end of the war are looking ever more fragile.

0:08:47 > 0:08:52There is increasing talk of them breaking away from the rest of

0:08:52 > 0:08:56Bosnia which would leave the entities Bosnian Muslims living in a

0:08:56 > 0:09:02potentially hostile country. The republic's resident unveiled a

0:09:02 > 0:09:07university dormitory in honour of the former president just a few days

0:09:07 > 0:09:12before The Hague war crimes in a reform found him guilty of genocide.

0:09:12 > 0:09:18The mayor of the city is from the same party as him. Do you believe he

0:09:18 > 0:09:23is a hero?

0:09:43 > 0:09:47Do you accept the judgement of the International Court that genocide

0:09:47 > 0:09:48happened in Srebrenica?

0:10:30 > 0:10:35He took a journey he did back in 1995 then as a prisoner, crammed

0:10:35 > 0:10:41into a truck with dozens of others, their hands tied behind their backs.

0:10:41 > 0:10:48That is the place where the mass execution took place. It was night

0:10:48 > 0:10:52and they were shooting and firing outside. You could see the lines,

0:10:52 > 0:10:58rows and rows of dead waddies. I knew it was the end, really, in that

0:10:58 > 0:11:07moment. They asked us to lay down and it is thought of my mother, she

0:11:07 > 0:11:18would never know where I ended up. How I finished. Then they started

0:11:18 > 0:11:27firing and I was dying. I could just hear moans. Moans of other people

0:11:27 > 0:11:40who were wounded. It was so painful. I just prayed not to die. And then I

0:11:40 > 0:11:50noticed someone was moving in front of me. That cost him are you alive?

0:11:50 > 0:11:59He said yes, I am alive. That's enough. I can show you something

0:11:59 > 0:12:08else. Maybe security could come.We get asked a lot of him, the horror

0:12:08 > 0:12:12playing out in his head as he described escaping with the other

0:12:12 > 0:12:18survive. While the soldiers went to collect more prisoners to kill.I

0:12:18 > 0:12:24was crawling, crawling over the dead bodies. The Broken Head is, it

0:12:24 > 0:12:27was...

0:12:35 > 0:12:40He was badly wounded and in terrible pain. The other man encouraged the

0:12:40 > 0:12:45teenager to keep crawling. As day broke and they climbed through the

0:12:45 > 0:12:50forest, the full-scale and planning behind the massacre became apparent.

0:12:50 > 0:12:53They were collecting the dead bodies and they would put that on the

0:12:53 > 0:13:01trucks, the trucks, don't you remember now, and the tractors were

0:13:01 > 0:13:05going somewhere, I don't remember where, probably to mass graves.

0:13:05 > 0:13:09After the war, the international effort to find and identify the

0:13:09 > 0:13:14missing thousands began. Among the dead, his father and uncle.I know

0:13:14 > 0:13:22from my uncle that his remains were found in four mass graves. They

0:13:22 > 0:13:32wanted to hide it and excavated them and rebury them again. Because they

0:13:32 > 0:13:37were dead they broke their bodies.I wondered whether people living

0:13:37 > 0:13:44around the site now would know what happened there.Many of them

0:13:44 > 0:13:50probably, the talk, they don't want anything about it. Why not? They

0:13:50 > 0:13:56have fear of their lives.If they talked about what happened here?

0:13:56 > 0:14:03Yep, of course.Fear of their lives from true?From those who committed

0:14:03 > 0:14:12the crime and who, who supported the crime and who approved the crime.Do

0:14:12 > 0:14:17some of them still live around here? Yes, of course.

0:14:23 > 0:14:28Each gravestone in the vast oral to the genocide victims has the same

0:14:28 > 0:14:36year of death, 1995. It has been painstakingly slow. Every year on

0:14:36 > 0:14:40the July anniversary, more people are buried. Sometimes a bone

0:14:40 > 0:14:45fragment is all that is identified. The international court in The Hague

0:14:45 > 0:14:59has said six are guilty. One is awaiting judgement. Silia testified

0:14:59 > 0:15:10against him and others. In a grave, many of her family lie at rest.

0:16:06 > 0:16:15A few miles from Srebrenica, as the primary school day begins, it has

0:16:15 > 0:16:24become politicised. These children are being educated separately from

0:16:24 > 0:16:27their peers. Their parents set up up their own Islamic school. They

0:16:27 > 0:16:32claimed they were forced to do so because in subjects from history to

0:16:32 > 0:16:35geography to literature, even what the language is called, their

0:16:35 > 0:16:39heritage was being excluded.

0:16:56 > 0:17:01Do you believe that this is a deliberate decision by the

0:17:01 > 0:17:06politicians, the people, the officials running the education

0:17:06 > 0:17:09system, to make you feel unwelcome?

0:17:21 > 0:17:26This man's daughters are still too young for these issues to apply. But

0:17:26 > 0:17:32with politicians ramping up the rhetoric against their rivals, he

0:17:32 > 0:17:37worries what they will be caught in future if they stay in the Republic.

0:17:37 > 0:17:45Srebrenica's municipal assembly now has more Serb councillors than

0:17:45 > 0:17:51Muslim. In the opposition, a Serb who has been in politics since the

0:17:51 > 0:17:56war days. He is the local president, and also the town's secretary

0:17:56 > 0:18:02councillor. If people would recognise and called it a genocide,

0:18:02 > 0:18:07reconciliation could happen. Because that is not happening, it is

0:18:07 > 0:18:12impossible. Do you think it was a genocide? And what do you think

0:18:12 > 0:18:19about that viewpoint?

0:18:50 > 0:18:54Blaming international meddling for the possible breakup of

0:18:54 > 0:18:57Bosnia-Herzegovina is tried and tested political discourse here. The

0:18:57 > 0:19:04president regularly threatens a referendum on secession. Would you

0:19:04 > 0:19:11like to see the republic move away?

0:19:32 > 0:19:39Before the war Serbs made up just half the population. Now, the

0:19:39 > 0:19:57republic is 80% Serb. After the war, efforts were made. They live in a

0:19:57 > 0:20:01block for people with special needs. She would like to leave.

0:20:26 > 0:20:27Nadzad's surviving family never understood

0:20:27 > 0:20:29his need to go back and live in Srebenica.

0:20:29 > 0:20:32I remember the words of my mother as well.

0:20:32 > 0:20:46You want to go to Srebenica?

0:20:46 > 0:20:48If you leave, who will be the winner?

0:20:48 > 0:20:49In that case, I think...

0:20:49 > 0:20:50In that case, the genocide would fade off.

0:20:52 > 0:20:56Those who committed such horror, they would win.

0:20:56 > 0:21:00Nedzad believes the scale of the crimes cannot be compared.

0:21:01 > 0:21:04But Serbs also lost their lives in the war and there are memorials

0:21:04 > 0:21:21to the 3,000 Serb soldiers and civilians

0:21:21 > 0:21:22killed across this area over three years.

0:21:23 > 0:21:25Most people we spoke to - whether Serb or Bosniak -

0:21:25 > 0:21:29were keen to try to forget the past and look to the future.

0:21:29 > 0:21:32But, for 22 years, Nedzad has lived with a burden.

0:21:32 > 0:21:38The memory of the 8000 souls who didn't have his luck.

0:21:38 > 0:21:40The burden of being a survivor of genocide.

0:21:41 > 0:21:43If we had a normal country, I can say that

0:21:43 > 0:21:46hatred, that nationalistic conversation, can take us to the war

0:21:46 > 0:22:01and the killing.

0:22:01 > 0:22:04Very often, I ask myself where we are going now because I fear very

0:22:04 > 0:22:05bad things in Europe.

0:22:05 > 0:22:07Nedzad's man concern is closer to home.

0:22:07 > 0:22:11Those who had their hands bloody, if they come one day and ask for

0:22:11 > 0:22:13forgiveness, I think it wouldn't be a problem for us...

0:22:14 > 0:22:28To extend our hands.

0:22:28 > 0:22:29To extend our hands.

0:22:29 > 0:22:31Do you think they ever will?

0:22:33 > 0:22:36True reconciliation looks perhaps almost as far off as ever,

0:22:36 > 0:22:39particularly with genocide being denied in the very place where it's

0:22:39 > 0:22:40judged to have happened.

0:22:40 > 0:22:44In the end, only the living can have a say on whether a country

0:22:44 > 0:23:06built on bloodshed will truly wash away the emnities of war.