Cardiff to Syria: The Journey to Jihad

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:00:21. > :00:26.Their faces have been beamed around the world.

:00:27. > :00:29.Young men from Cardiff who have gone to war in Syria.

:00:30. > :00:31.We hope in the Khilafah it's imminent.

:00:32. > :00:32.Tonight, we hear from a teenager we believe

:00:33. > :00:36.He says, "I believe Jihad is obligatory, and

:00:37. > :00:42.We can also reveal the gruesome tweets from the frontline.

:00:43. > :00:47.Two years ago, we went undercover to expose

:00:48. > :00:58.They've finally been banned and we had questions

:00:59. > :01:03.Tonight, a warning to the authorities

:01:04. > :01:35.If Cardiff doesn?t wake up now, when will it?

:01:36. > :01:40.Cardiff, a city with a long history of multi-culturalism.

:01:41. > :01:44.A city which prides itself on diversity and tolerance.

:01:45. > :02:03.This is a message to the brothers. You have two ask yourself what

:02:04. > :02:12.prevents you from joining the ranks of the Mujahideen? This video

:02:13. > :02:19.emerged on the Internet. It is claimed to be by ISIS, a terrorist

:02:20. > :02:22.group fighting in Syria and Iraq and responsible for terrible

:02:23. > :02:27.atrocities. Two young men in the video are from Cardiff. This young

:02:28. > :02:31.man is Reeyad Khan. He is 20 years old and he comes from a respectable

:02:32. > :02:35.family. He did well in school and is known to have an interest in

:02:36. > :02:44.politics, religion and social affairs. And now he appears to be

:02:45. > :02:47.fighting in Syria. Not only does he claim to be fighting on the front

:02:48. > :02:53.line, he appears to be tweeting on the front line, too. This Twitter

:02:54. > :02:58.account cannot be verified, but it appears to show Reeyad Khan giving

:02:59. > :03:04.an account of his role in Syria. Looking through these tweets it is

:03:05. > :03:08.clear that Reeyad Khan has left his life in Cardiff behind him. There is

:03:09. > :03:12.a chilling resonance about his new life out on the front line. In this

:03:13. > :03:22.one, for instance, in April, he says, we just executed seven spies

:03:23. > :03:26.trying to plant bombs. There was a massive turnout. We have checked

:03:27. > :03:33.news reports and this did happen on that date in April. And making

:03:34. > :03:37.another grisly reference, he'd tweets a photograph saying, some

:03:38. > :03:45.Iranians Shia heads from a cheque points we hit. -- checkpoint. We

:03:46. > :03:53.can't be 100% sure, but other events and date or point to this being a

:03:54. > :03:58.genuine account of life fighting for ISIS by a young man from Cardiff,

:03:59. > :04:02.Reeyad Khan. We share our information with his family. They

:04:03. > :04:08.did not want to be interviewed, but friends that the family will take it

:04:09. > :04:14.hard to take. The family will be shocked and horrified and

:04:15. > :04:20.devastated. They are not able to tolerate this kind of behaviour and

:04:21. > :04:25.news. It is going to be heartbreaking for his mother. It

:04:26. > :04:29.will be hard for her to accept and believe that her own son is heading

:04:30. > :04:37.in that direction. I just cannot make myself believe that is the same

:04:38. > :04:45.person doing something over there. The Riyadh can't we saw here for all

:04:46. > :04:48.those years, it is hard to believe that person can turn into a

:04:49. > :05:00.different character and a different person doing this. Unless he has

:05:01. > :05:07.purely been brain watched that Mac washed. Riyadh can't was born in

:05:08. > :05:11.Cardiff. He went to a local school. A friend told us he was interested

:05:12. > :05:20.in politics and religion. Did he have a fundamental religious belief?

:05:21. > :05:23.He didn't. He thought terrorists and fundamentalists gave religion are

:05:24. > :05:29.bad name. Did he talk about the politics of the world, particularly

:05:30. > :05:35.the walls in the belief? Yes. He used to say how that things were in

:05:36. > :05:46.Palestine and Israel and it was not right. Aged just 16, Reeyad was

:05:47. > :05:53.filmed for a project about young people in Cardiff and even then he

:05:54. > :05:59.expressed concerns about his future. If everything was going fine, I

:06:00. > :06:07.would have nothing to be concerned with. This area needs a lot of

:06:08. > :06:14.help. The youth as well. Me being part of that, I need help. I'm

:06:15. > :06:17.trying to make things change. He said a lack of opportunity in his

:06:18. > :06:24.community threatened to hold back people like himself. Poverty and

:06:25. > :06:33.unemployment is higher here. There is a high percentage of ethnic

:06:34. > :06:40.minorities. People put that together and a lot of people have love the

:06:41. > :06:47.educational grades than areas where there are more white people. More

:06:48. > :06:51.money can be used outside school because that is where people are

:06:52. > :07:02.influenced. He's interview appears to be sadly acetic. Four years later

:07:03. > :07:09.and Reeyad chose the path that will take him to fight in Syria. It is a

:07:10. > :07:13.grieving situation when you know your loved one is out there in the

:07:14. > :07:24.danger zone. You do not know his life, if he is safe. One we saw his

:07:25. > :07:30.video, we know he is handling arms. As a father, as a mother, every time

:07:31. > :07:36.the question will be, what is my son doing right now? It is absolutely

:07:37. > :07:43.devastating. He turned our lives upside down. We can't sleep or eat.

:07:44. > :07:50.We are very ill. Reeyad, please come back home. I am dying for you! You

:07:51. > :08:03.are only son! Please come back, Reeyad. We just cannot accept that

:08:04. > :08:15.he has turned into this kind of person. It is impossible to believe

:08:16. > :08:22.it, that young boy. A year before the infamous ISIS video, Reeyad Khan

:08:23. > :08:27.and Nasser Muthana, who met at college, were photographed at an

:08:28. > :08:33.event helping people in need. Nasser's father prays in his son's

:08:34. > :08:43.old room and he wonders what drove him to leave. I said, why have you

:08:44. > :08:55.left me? What have I done? What wrong do I do? I a hypocrite and not

:08:56. > :09:02.a Muslim like you? I pray and I pay my zukat. I do everything Islam

:09:03. > :09:07.says, but I don't go looking to kill people or to be killed by other

:09:08. > :09:11.people. Nasser's father does not know if he will ever see his son

:09:12. > :09:15.again, but who remembers right young man he wanted to study medicine. Has

:09:16. > :09:24.he always been a religiously conservative white? Not all the

:09:25. > :09:30.time. He will go to the mosque and encourage me to go with him. I would

:09:31. > :09:39.dry him and take him back. I didn't notice anything in his eyes. Maybe I

:09:40. > :09:49.can't read his eyes or his lips. Maybe it's my fault, I did not raise

:09:50. > :09:51.him right. I don't know. Last November, Nasser told his father and

:09:52. > :09:57.the rest of the family that he was going to an Islamic conference in

:09:58. > :10:01.Shrewsbury, but there was no conference and his family became

:10:02. > :10:07.concerned when he'd not return home. The police came and then they told

:10:08. > :10:13.me the story of how he travelled from Cardiff to Gatwick, from

:10:14. > :10:21.Gatwick to Istanbul. From there he crossed the border into Syria. Then

:10:22. > :10:24.we realised we had lost him. Within days of leaving Cardiff, Nasser

:10:25. > :10:32.announced on Twitter that he had arrived safely in Syria. In the New

:10:33. > :10:38.Year he claims ISIS have seized two tanks. He also says, we brought back

:10:39. > :10:39.heads with us. Later he appears to say that his brother Aseel has

:10:40. > :10:40.managed to make it to say that his brother Aseel has

:10:41. > :10:44.managed Syria, too. say that his brother Aseel has

:10:45. > :10:49.managed to make it With a second son leaving Cardiff or Syria, it has

:10:50. > :10:54.caused more heartache for the family. Aseel left unexpectedly,

:10:55. > :10:59.saying he was going to revise with a friend. He had a maths exam the next

:11:00. > :11:05.day. He was going to stay with his friend because his friend is good at

:11:06. > :11:12.maths. He was going to revise with him. The police said he left Cardiff

:11:13. > :11:17.at seven o'clock by train to Gatwick. He stayed in Gatwick

:11:18. > :11:22.Airport until the next day, 8:30am in the morning and then he flew to

:11:23. > :11:28.Cyprus. This week, we managed to make contact online with a person we

:11:29. > :11:42.believe to be Aseel Muthana and we put a number of questions to him.

:11:43. > :11:47.and if he had a plan to return home. He says, I believe jihad is

:11:48. > :11:52.obligatory, and I never had a plan to return to the UK. I asked him,

:11:53. > :11:56.are you worried that by going out there, you have upset your family,

:11:57. > :12:02.and that as a Muslim, you are fighting other Muslims? His response

:12:03. > :12:07.- my brother made Hiijra before me, in other words, is brother answered

:12:08. > :12:11.the call and went out there before him. After this, I saw how much my

:12:12. > :12:16.family cried and were upset. It was so upsetting. I thought maybe one is

:12:17. > :12:26.enough in the family to go for jihad. I understood Allah comes

:12:27. > :12:31.first, so now I joined my bro. I asked him, is there anything you

:12:32. > :12:35.miss about home? He said, I do not miss much, I have a new life here,

:12:36. > :12:42.but would not mind seeing my family living here with me. I asked him if

:12:43. > :12:48.he had been radicalised. He replies, 100% no. He claimed he had

:12:49. > :12:55.chosen the path to Syria himself and went there alone. ISIS in Syria has

:12:56. > :12:59.a slick PR machine and it appears to encourage its British fighters to go

:13:00. > :13:05.online. It is not clear why these young men took such drastic action,

:13:06. > :13:09.but fundamental questions remain, not least, how did they get to

:13:10. > :13:20.Syria, and were they brainwashed or radicalised here in Cardiff to have

:13:21. > :13:23.such extreme Islamic views? Haras Rafiq is an expert on

:13:24. > :13:26.radicalisation, and he says there are a number of reasons why some

:13:27. > :13:32.young Muslims might turn to extremism. Quite often, it is a

:13:33. > :13:38.combination, but underpinning it is the personal crisis, the

:13:39. > :13:42.indoctrination of jihadi theology which justifies a political cause, a

:13:43. > :13:47.political ideology, which many people call Islamism. We have

:13:48. > :13:53.Islamists operating in this country, and we have done for a long time,

:13:54. > :13:56.who have a political view that they have to set up a caliphate somewhere

:13:57. > :14:02.in the world, and Islamic, Muslim state, and then govern from their

:14:03. > :14:06.version of Islamic law. And then what they want to do is spread that

:14:07. > :14:14.state across the world. We are seeing this now in ISIS, in Iraq.

:14:15. > :14:17.Revelation that these two young men from Cardiff had turned up in what

:14:18. > :14:22.appears to be a terrorist recruitment video sent shock waves

:14:23. > :14:31.around the community, the city and indeed the world. But it is not a

:14:32. > :14:35.new problem. Two years ago, we made a programme about radicalisation in

:14:36. > :14:37.Cardiff. An undercover reporter befriended a member of a group of

:14:38. > :14:51.Islamic extremist 's. Rofi Islam regularly met up with our

:14:52. > :14:53.undercover reporter, taking him to prayers and sending him links to

:14:54. > :15:17.extremist websites. Rofi is part of a group of his

:15:18. > :15:19.limits in Cardiff who believe that Islam will dominate the world, and

:15:20. > :15:26.they are opposed to democracy and freedom. -- a group of extremists.

:15:27. > :15:30.Led by this man, Sajid Idris, we revealed that they were holding

:15:31. > :15:40.protests, trying to recruit people to join them and posting hardline

:15:41. > :15:46.videos on the internet. No longer can you say this is jihad

:15:47. > :15:53.for the sake of Allah because this becomes terrorism...! Rofi said the

:15:54. > :15:57.best place to learn the Islam he believed in was a popular city

:15:58. > :16:14.centre mosque in Cardiff, which they attended together.

:16:15. > :16:22.Masjid in Arabic means mosque. Rofi told our undercover reporter to come

:16:23. > :16:28.here to the Al-Manar mosque, which is popular with students and young

:16:29. > :16:34.people. It is also where Reyaad Khan and Nasser Muthana came to pray. It

:16:35. > :16:40.is now the focus of a huge amount of attention, with claims it might be

:16:41. > :16:41.involved, unwittingly or not, in radicalising young Muslims in

:16:42. > :16:50.Cardiff. Those mosques have had preachers

:16:51. > :16:56.that are calling for fighting and jihad in Syria, and hate preachers.

:16:57. > :17:01.Do you see that as a problem? It is a problem because those mosques may

:17:02. > :17:05.not be telling people actually to go out and fight, but they are laying

:17:06. > :17:11.the foundation, the theological foundation, which is very easy for

:17:12. > :17:15.recruiters to come and move them on to the actual violence. From our

:17:16. > :17:23.research, that particular mosque has heard a number of extremist, radical

:17:24. > :17:28.preachers that I think are a huge part of the problem.

:17:29. > :17:35.They include this man. Mohammed al-Arifi is a Saudi cleric who came

:17:36. > :17:48.to the Al-Manar mosque in 2012. He was banned from coming to the UK

:17:49. > :17:55.in March this year because of his views. And last December, another

:17:56. > :17:59.Saudi cleric, Sheikh Adil Al Kelbani, was stopped from coming to

:18:00. > :18:06.Britain as he tried to board a plane in Rio. He had also been due to

:18:07. > :18:11.speak at the Al-Manar mosque. The trustees of the mosque declined our

:18:12. > :18:14.request for an interview on the advice of their legal

:18:15. > :18:23.representative, but last week, they did release a statement.

:18:24. > :18:26.This trust has a close working relationship with South Wales Police

:18:27. > :18:32.and has a firm policy in supporting community cohesion, and opposes any

:18:33. > :18:38.extreme ideologies which contradict the peaceful teachings of Islam.

:18:39. > :18:45.Cardiff is known to have had a problem with Islamic extremism for

:18:46. > :18:48.more than ten years, and in 2012, the Home Office designated the city

:18:49. > :18:55.as a priority area for special funding to combat it. Also in 2012,

:18:56. > :19:01.three men from Cardiff were jailed for 38 years in total for terrorism

:19:02. > :19:09.offences after a plot to blow up the London stock exchange was uncovered.

:19:10. > :19:13.In our last programme, we revealed that each of those men had been at a

:19:14. > :19:21.protest with Sajid Idris's group, and at least one of them, Abdul

:19:22. > :19:25.Miah, attended their meetings. In 2011, two teenagers from Cardiff

:19:26. > :19:29.were arrested by police in Kenya, and it was claimed they were trying

:19:30. > :19:34.to get to Somalia to fight a holy war with a group affiliated to

:19:35. > :19:36.Al-Qaeda, called Al-Shabab. The father of one of the teenagers

:19:37. > :19:45.claimed his son had been brainwashed.

:19:46. > :19:55.The other young man who tried to get to Somalia is Quran a cabal, 21

:19:56. > :19:59.years of age, and we have discovered that he tried to get to Syria but

:20:00. > :20:03.was arrested at Heathrow Airport. He is due to be sentenced in court this

:20:04. > :20:11.week for separate terrorism offences. Online, he refers to

:20:12. > :20:17.himself as the father of terrorism. And he, too, was connected with

:20:18. > :20:21.Idris's group. Two years ago, Idris was criticised after putting a video

:20:22. > :20:26.online calling for Muslims to physically support fight in Syria,

:20:27. > :20:31.and he called for Sharia law in the Middle East. Sajid Idris has been

:20:32. > :20:38.involved with Islamic extremists for years. Here, in 2002, he is with

:20:39. > :20:46.radical cleric Omar Bakri, watched by supporters and journalists. Next

:20:47. > :20:51.to him is Anjem Choudary, a leading light in banned Muslim organisations

:20:52. > :20:57.Islam4UK and Muslims Against Crusades. I would say that there is

:20:58. > :21:03.a significantly active group. It is not about numbers, it is about how

:21:04. > :21:08.active they are, it is about quality rather than quantity, from their

:21:09. > :21:13.perspective. A significant group for me is 20-30, maybe up to 50 people

:21:14. > :21:21.who are actively involved. More recently, members of Idris's group

:21:22. > :21:25.took part in a barbecue in Cardiff which was organised by the now

:21:26. > :21:29.banned extremist group need for Khalifa. The pictures show the black

:21:30. > :21:35.flag of ices being waved in a city park, and among those attending was

:21:36. > :21:39.convicted terrorist Abu Izzadeen. We wanted to put some questions to Mr

:21:40. > :21:48.Idris about his group's activities and links to a string this is. --

:21:49. > :21:51.and links to other extremists. He refused a request for an interview

:21:52. > :21:58.so we caught up with him at his workplace. Mr Idris, can we have a

:21:59. > :22:08.word? Will you come and speak to us, Mr Idris? We would like to speak to

:22:09. > :22:13.you. So, Mr Idris has gone to work, and for someone who makes a lot of

:22:14. > :22:17.noise about his beliefs, he is proving to be very reluctant and shy

:22:18. > :22:22.about talking to us. There have been a number of questions we would like

:22:23. > :22:29.to put to him, but so far he has refused to answer any of them.

:22:30. > :22:36.Rofi Islam also refused to be interviewed. But today, Sajid Idris

:22:37. > :22:42.said he had never met the three Cardiff jihadist. Last week, the

:22:43. > :22:52.Home Office finally banned their organisation, which had a new name,

:22:53. > :22:58.the Islamic our association. The nicest video created headlines

:22:59. > :23:05.around the world, and the three Cardiff jihadists promoted it and

:23:06. > :23:08.joked about it. The youngest, 17-year-old Aseel, did not appear in

:23:09. > :23:15.the video, but he has been talking online to us about his experiences

:23:16. > :23:26.in Syria. Are you prepared to be a macho? -- to be a martyr? His

:23:27. > :23:31.response is, Allah knows best. He has also been asked by other people

:23:32. > :23:40.- do you have any fear? Who doesn't, he says, we are humans. He

:23:41. > :23:45.is asked, have you seen any marchers? His response is - they

:23:46. > :23:57.look like they are sleeping, honestly. They look very calm and

:23:58. > :24:00.relaxed. Do you have any regrets about leaving the UK, and how far

:24:01. > :24:09.are you willing to go for your cause? 's response is - no, I can

:24:10. > :24:14.say I am willing to die. We put it to him that ISIS has been using

:24:15. > :24:18.brutal methods, and how can he defend that? After a delay, he

:24:19. > :24:25.answered that if it was done in the name of showreel, or Islamic law,

:24:26. > :24:29.then he is for it. -- Sharia. News that young men from Cardiff have

:24:30. > :24:33.gone to fight in Syria has shocked the Muslim community in the city. I

:24:34. > :24:42.met up with egg group from this mosque. For me to see those two boys

:24:43. > :24:49.was absolutely shocking, I did not know how to feel, to be honest. It

:24:50. > :24:53.is very youthful, to look on TV and think about what is happening across

:24:54. > :24:58.the world, and then to be motivated to do something about that. Does it

:24:59. > :25:02.upset you to see these young men doing this? Definitely, it worries

:25:03. > :25:06.me that there will be repercussions for the rest of the community, and

:25:07. > :25:13.it gives a negative image of Islam and Muslims. Duvet in any way

:25:14. > :25:18.represent wider opinion among the Muslim community in south Wales? I

:25:19. > :25:20.do not think so. If you look at the community at large

:25:21. > :25:25.do not think so. If you look at the has been condemned in most mosques,

:25:26. > :25:31.and mosques are encouraging people to come forward and teach young

:25:32. > :25:35.people that this is not appropriate. If there was an influence, it is

:25:36. > :25:39.people who have kept themselves clandestinely whether it is or in

:25:40. > :25:43.the city, people who know one is aware of. That is what needs to be

:25:44. > :25:48.answered, and that is what frightens me, because maybe Nasser and Mathur

:25:49. > :25:54.went out there of their own accord, but I think that is unlikely. I

:25:55. > :25:58.would just like to know, emphatically, were they right or

:25:59. > :26:03.were they wrong to go out there? Wrong, very simply. You all agree?

:26:04. > :26:14.Yes. We have some of our young brothers

:26:15. > :26:22.listening to a message, a message which involves going against, a

:26:23. > :26:27.message which results in killing other Muslims, which results in

:26:28. > :26:34.unfair representation of Islam in the media, a message which results

:26:35. > :26:45.in your family and my family when they go out having to be worried

:26:46. > :26:52.about themselves. Moderate Muslims are trying to get across the message

:26:53. > :27:01.that it is only the minority of Muslims who want to fight. There is

:27:02. > :27:05.a shortage of scholars and people who can connect well enough with

:27:06. > :27:12.young people. Young people feel disconnected, their content to their

:27:13. > :27:20.parents and the Internet has a big responsibility. We need to focus on

:27:21. > :27:26.the middle part. What did happen? No doubt they came into contact with

:27:27. > :27:33.views that a spouse going abroad to fight against effectively, other

:27:34. > :27:40.Muslims. This is not an overnight process. I refused to believe they

:27:41. > :27:44.watched one or two videos and packed their bags and said, I am going to

:27:45. > :27:57.lead my mother and father. According to the UK Government, the terrorism

:27:58. > :28:01.risk to Wells is significant. There is a strategy aimed at tackling

:28:02. > :28:11.radicalisation in communities, but some believe it is failing. Prevent

:28:12. > :28:20.is not working. Especially not in Wales. We need to interrupt people

:28:21. > :28:23.once they are spouse support for violence or are actually going to

:28:24. > :28:34.carry out violence. That has been done on the whole pretty well. The

:28:35. > :28:37.bigger part of prevent is when youngsters are indoctrinated, they

:28:38. > :28:44.have the resilience to push back. That is not being done. The Welsh

:28:45. > :28:49.government is being urged to look again at how it is countering

:28:50. > :28:54.radicalisation. The issue is we cannot wait for people to be

:28:55. > :28:59.radicalised and then come back. If that happens as a community and the

:29:00. > :29:02.society, we have failed. We need to put effective interventions in now

:29:03. > :29:09.said that the police don't have to worry about that situation arising.

:29:10. > :29:14.That is what we need to focus on. To keep us safe is to stop people being

:29:15. > :29:19.radicalised in the first place and not relying on the police managing

:29:20. > :29:23.that situation after the event. No minister from the Welsh government

:29:24. > :29:26.was prepared to be interviewed for our programme, but they issued a

:29:27. > :29:36.statement saying they work closely with the Home Office. South Wales

:29:37. > :29:40.Police also refused to be interviewed. Despite a succession of

:29:41. > :29:44.terrorism related offences in Cardiff over a number of years,

:29:45. > :29:49.neither they nor the Police Commissioner except they are losing

:29:50. > :29:56.the fight against radicalisation. In my view, the way in which officers

:29:57. > :29:59.engaged in anti-extremism activities and counterterrorism have worked

:30:00. > :30:06.particularly well with local policing and with the local

:30:07. > :30:11.communities. Cardiff is not a hotbed of radicalisation. It is the view

:30:12. > :30:16.nationally that we don't have a disproportionate issue in Cardiff

:30:17. > :30:20.compared to other communities. And yet the fact is three young men have

:30:21. > :30:24.run off to fight and we are told by several different groups that

:30:25. > :30:28.radicalisation is a problem in Cardiff. There has been too much

:30:29. > :30:34.complacency and the issue really needs to be addressed in a more

:30:35. > :30:37.imaginative way. The reason Cardiff has a relatively settled community

:30:38. > :30:43.is because they have been good work between the police, local policing

:30:44. > :30:50.and local communities to combat any threat of extremism. But the Home

:30:51. > :30:54.Office did identify Cardiff as a priority area to combat

:30:55. > :31:04.radicalisation in 2012, and it does receive extra funding. The two young

:31:05. > :31:09.Cardiff men in the jihadists video continue to give an account online

:31:10. > :31:21.of their fight for ISIS. This week, Reeyad Khan has been celebrating

:31:22. > :31:27.ISIS's declaration of an Islamist state in Syria and Iraq. He has also

:31:28. > :31:34.posted a photograph of a kitten they rescued. Aseel Muthana posted a

:31:35. > :31:40.better graft that seems to show he is on the Syrian border. Another

:31:41. > :31:48.picture shows a seven-year-old boy posing with an anti-aircraft gun.

:31:49. > :31:55.His comments, so cute. His brother Nasser says he is fighting in

:31:56. > :31:59.central Syria. He says ISIS is being bombed by government forces. Just

:32:00. > :32:04.yesterday he tweeted a picture of a martial arts weapon found on an

:32:05. > :32:08.enemy. He said they would make sure his head was detachable. Two years

:32:09. > :32:13.ago we made the problem highlighting the fact of radicalisation, but the

:32:14. > :32:18.problem persists. Just today, an 18-year-old in Cardiff was arrested

:32:19. > :32:23.on suspicion of a terrorist offence. Lyc?e it might be linked to the

:32:24. > :32:26.three who went to Syria. The programme made 18 months ago exposed

:32:27. > :32:32.publicly what was going on in Cardiff, but no one took notice. If

:32:33. > :32:37.Cardiff does not wake up now, when will it? What more can be done to

:32:38. > :32:44.tackle the problem in Cardiff? Greater awareness amongst parents.

:32:45. > :32:49.Greater awareness among scholars and community leaders. Greater

:32:50. > :32:54.communication between younger people and perhaps a greater control over

:32:55. > :32:59.the Internet. If Reeyad is listening to this, what would you say to him?

:33:00. > :33:03.I would say you are taking the wrong direction. There is still time, come

:33:04. > :33:14.back home, come back to your parents. There is little hope. I

:33:15. > :33:22.hope they don't come back in the Coffin, I hope they come back alive.