:00:00. > :00:08.A country nursing its wounds, following a divisive EU
:00:09. > :00:35.Tonight, we ask why did Wales vote to leave the EU?
:00:36. > :00:37.It's just immigration, as simple as that.
:00:38. > :00:40.The big thing for me is having control of our own country.
:00:41. > :00:45.We feel like second class citizens , even in our own country.
:00:46. > :00:48.We travel to an area where millions of pounds of EU
:00:49. > :00:53.money has been spent, but the majority voted to leave.
:00:54. > :00:58.You ve got all these nice things but pointless.
:00:59. > :01:11.With so much political turmoil, we ask what s the future for Wales?
:01:12. > :01:13.There s a fundamental lack of trust in politics at moment
:01:14. > :01:17.and we respond to that not simply through delivering leaflets
:01:18. > :01:38.Blaenau Gwent, in the south Wales valleys is home to 70,000 people.
:01:39. > :01:40.In the EU referendum, more people than anywhere else
:01:41. > :02:02.in Wales voted to leave, including Phil and Julie Hughes.
:02:03. > :02:15.We made it to America again. For the wrong reasons. Top of the shop for
:02:16. > :02:20.the worst place to be. The least jobs.
:02:21. > :02:23.Their home is on the Rassau estate in Ebbw Vale.
:02:24. > :02:26.They've lived in the town all their lives.
:02:27. > :02:29.I was really shocked actually on Friday when I got up,
:02:30. > :02:31.took my breath away, thought oh god, we really have
:02:32. > :02:45.against the whole of the governance of Europe then.
:02:46. > :02:49.Phil cares for his wife, Julie, who has motor neurone disease.
:02:50. > :02:52.A lot of people I have spoken to round here say immigration
:02:53. > :03:02.problem but that was not the main reason that I voted out.
:03:03. > :03:06.We are old enough to remember going into it, it wasn t the EU,
:03:07. > :03:09.it was the common market and that's what we thought it was
:03:10. > :03:15.A place where it was like having a shop
:03:16. > :03:18.and everybody had their shop in there and you could go
:03:19. > :03:22.It didn't include free movement and the laws
:03:23. > :03:33.they are making that we got no say in.
:03:34. > :03:36.This area, in common with all of the south Wales valleys,
:03:37. > :03:47.has had millions of pounds in financial support from Europe.
:03:48. > :03:50.The county has received a total of ?140 million in EU funding over
:03:51. > :03:53.the years to halt a spiral of decline and to improve standards
:03:54. > :03:55.of living with initiatives like this one, a cable-car which links
:03:56. > :04:07.the town to the site of the former steel works.
:04:08. > :04:09.EU funds have been spent regenerating Ebbw Vale town centre,
:04:10. > :04:18.as well as the site of the old steel works.
:04:19. > :04:20.This is the last remaining relic of that industry.
:04:21. > :04:22.But after it was razed to the ground, it was replaced
:04:23. > :04:39.Millions of pounds of EU money has been spent here.
:04:40. > :04:41.It's aimed at improving the economy, tackling poverty and providing jobs.
:04:42. > :04:51.There s nothing people can see is being done
:04:52. > :04:53.apart from the dragon, the clock, the roof, it s
:04:54. > :05:06.not making a difference to the people yourself.
:05:07. > :05:08.And that s how we feel up here as well.
:05:09. > :05:12.We feel like a second class citizens even in our own country, you know.
:05:13. > :05:21.Whilst 62% of those in Blaenau Gwent said they wanted out
:05:22. > :05:23.of the EU, what about those who voted to remain?
:05:24. > :05:26.At this Heads of the Valleys boxing club in Ebbw Vale they believe that
:05:27. > :05:38.The Blaenau Gwent have voted out and they have the most grants.
:05:39. > :05:42.I can t understand that they voted out.
:05:43. > :05:44.We've had the railway station, the railway station come
:05:45. > :05:47.from Cardiff up to Ebbw Vale, the Heads of the Valley,
:05:48. > :05:58.It'll be interesting to see what sort of money and grants
:05:59. > :06:09.Towns in the valleys have faced difficult challenges
:06:10. > :06:12.since the closure of the pits, and in Ebbw Vale, the steelworks.
:06:13. > :06:14.Unemployment here stands at 10%, the highest figure in Wales.
:06:15. > :06:17.A new racetrack, the Circuit of Wales, has promised to bring
:06:18. > :06:30.6,000 jobs, but work has yet to start.
:06:31. > :06:34.He hasn't worked since the late 1980s following an accident
:06:35. > :06:47.underground, and now he cares for his wife.
:06:48. > :06:50.They both volunteer at the community centre, where today they re helping
:06:51. > :06:59.Really, there are not a great deal of job opportunities.
:07:00. > :07:04.Like the new race track that's coming would bring some jobs
:07:05. > :07:07.in but because we've been let down in this area by so many people
:07:08. > :07:09.bringing jobs in, people don t believe it s going
:07:10. > :07:24.When you put your cross in the box did it occur to you that this area
:07:25. > :07:29.might not benefit from funds in the future?
:07:30. > :07:34.I didn t just go in and put x in the box, I had long,
:07:35. > :07:40.Yes we ve had a lot of money in this area but they spent it on things
:07:41. > :07:41.haven t really had any impact on anywhere.
:07:42. > :07:49.I know they say about schools and education?
:07:50. > :07:54.That's a nice by-pass now for Ebbw Vale and they drive
:07:55. > :07:56.straight past instead of stopping cause nothing's here
:07:57. > :08:06.Dr Will Davies is a political economist, and he says people often
:08:07. > :08:09.fail to recognise the link between EU funds and the impact
:08:10. > :08:16.In some ways knowing your area has received billions, in some ways
:08:17. > :08:19.is less helpful than to know a particular a few thousand has gone
:08:20. > :08:26.on infrastructure and subsidy doesn t connect to the life
:08:27. > :08:28.experiences of people who've witnessed tangible jobs
:08:29. > :08:35.disappear from either their own families or neighbours.
:08:36. > :08:42.They've witnessed in areas such as this whole
:08:43. > :08:51.Blaenau Gwent has been a traditional Labour stronghold.
:08:52. > :08:53.But at the recent Assembly elections, Plaid Cymru
:08:54. > :08:59.Both Plaid and Labour campaigned to remain,
:09:00. > :09:14.so why then did the majority of people here vote to leave?
:09:15. > :09:19.I'd like to welcome you here on behalf of Tredegar town council
:09:20. > :09:22.to listen to the Ebbw Vale brass band.
:09:23. > :09:35.Enjoy the afternoon, thank you.
:09:36. > :09:36.Jacqui Thomas is the mayor of Tredegar.
:09:37. > :09:39.She s also the deputy chair of the local Labour Party,
:09:40. > :09:47.and was involved in trying to win support for the remain vote.
:09:48. > :09:49.I think people s reasons why they voted to leave is there s
:09:50. > :09:52.lot of mixed opinions going on and lot of reasons.
:09:53. > :09:55.If you look at area of BG at the moment we do
:09:56. > :10:14.Jacqui shows me around her hometown of Tredegar.
:10:15. > :10:17.The town is a bit tired but I don't know if you ve seen down
:10:18. > :10:19.by the corner there, Tredegar council and the Blaenau
:10:20. > :10:25.It's a place where you might argue on this referendum, people
:10:26. > :10:36.When you look at our community, yes, there aren t a great
:10:37. > :10:42.deal of opportunities, a great deal of jobs here.
:10:43. > :10:47.The vote was 52.5% to leave the EU, and 47.5% to remain.
:10:48. > :10:56.The issue even divided families, like Jacqui s.
:10:57. > :11:09.I never wanted to join in the beginning.
:11:10. > :11:11.You voted not to go in the common market?
:11:12. > :11:14.You re an old Labour supporter aren t you?
:11:15. > :11:27.I'm a Labour voter, I agree with them but except for that,
:11:28. > :11:32.There s not enough being done for Wales as it is.
:11:33. > :11:35.Jacqui, your mum says Labour got it wrong...
:11:36. > :11:38.I can understand what she's saying in some sense because I think
:11:39. > :11:40.maybe we could have got a bit more information out there
:11:41. > :11:44.and a few of the people I've spoken to, I ll be frank with you,
:11:45. > :11:50.Is this family divided, or would you just agree to differ?
:11:51. > :11:55.I still love her, and she still loves me.
:11:56. > :12:14.Like many others, Jacqui s mum says more needs to be done
:12:15. > :12:19.The Welsh Government says 37,000 new jobs have been created
:12:20. > :12:24.It plans to set up a new taskforce, aimed at creating more jobs
:12:25. > :12:26.and improving the quality of people s lives.
:12:27. > :12:35.The feeling here is that the model of Europe, or elsewhere,
:12:36. > :12:40.has let us down and failed us and people don t feel they have
:12:41. > :12:44.anything to lose by rejecting that and I and others were unable
:12:45. > :12:50.to convince them of that and I regret that and I do today.
:12:51. > :12:53.What we need to do is look at what resources we have
:12:54. > :12:57.and the economic policy we are able to follow in Cardiff and look at how
:12:58. > :12:59.we marshal our resources to address poverty and deprivation
:13:00. > :13:16.And I hope I can play a part in that and WG will continue to do that.
:13:17. > :13:19.One of the reasons people say they voted out in the referendum
:13:20. > :13:20.was because of their concern about immigration.
:13:21. > :13:23.Here in Blaenau Gwent, the actual numbers are the lowest
:13:24. > :13:31.Just 2% of the population, or 1,500 people living
:13:32. > :13:48.I went along to ask people what swayed them to vote
:13:49. > :13:58.and immigration came up again and again.
:13:59. > :14:08.in this area, in Ebbw Vale, voted by a majority to leave?
:14:09. > :14:11.I don t know, can't speak for everybody, but I would have
:14:12. > :14:14.thought that's mostly to 'o with immigration and they re afraid
:14:15. > :14:21.that people are coming in and taking their jobs.
:14:22. > :14:24.People who voted out voted out because they thought it would solve
:14:25. > :14:35.Concerns about immigration were echoed by some
:14:36. > :14:40.Like, all the factories at the top they are full
:14:41. > :14:46.The Poles have come to find work and the argument
:14:47. > :14:51.Yeah, I know, but it makes it harder competition for us.
:14:52. > :14:55.We should have first right, it s our country.
:14:56. > :14:58.I'm hoping by being out there will be a better
:14:59. > :15:04.At the moment being in EU, they are taking so much
:15:05. > :15:09.I notice that when the immigrants come over they always work
:15:10. > :15:16.for a cheaper price than what us British do.
:15:17. > :15:19.Across the country there s evidence that the areas where people express
:15:20. > :15:21.greatest anxiety about immigration tend to be areas
:15:22. > :15:30.without particularly high levels immigration.
:15:31. > :15:32.The idea of new people coming to places where
:15:33. > :15:36.don t seem to be appearing is understandably frightening
:15:37. > :15:40.phenomenon and something you hear from areas such as this,
:15:41. > :15:47.people expressing fears of immigration and even if evidence
:15:48. > :15:54.immigration is there, hasn t yet materialised.
:15:55. > :15:57.So, immigration d'esn t actually touch many people s lives directly
:15:58. > :16:02.in most communities in the south Wales valleys.
:16:03. > :16:06.But the same can t be said to be true here in Wrexham.
:16:07. > :16:08.There are some eight and a half thousand people
:16:09. > :16:10.born abroad living here, more than six per cent
:16:11. > :16:27.One of the highest immigration levels in Wales.
:16:28. > :16:32.Monika and Wojciech have lived in Wrexham for 13 years.
:16:33. > :16:37.They met in the town after moving here from Poland.
:16:38. > :16:40.The number of Polish people living in Wales jumped from 15 hundred
:16:41. > :16:43.to 18,000 in the years after Poland joined the EU,
:16:44. > :16:48.according to figures from the Census.
:16:49. > :16:51.Monika, who has set up her own business, has invited me
:16:52. > :17:06.When I came to the UK first time I just want to stay one year or so,
:17:07. > :17:08.but then I met my partner and we loved it here.
:17:09. > :17:17.We've got a family and we want to be part of the UK.
:17:18. > :17:29.There are people who voted because, not individuals,
:17:30. > :17:32.they were concerned with numbers and scale of immigration I spoke
:17:33. > :17:35.with some friends of mine because when I came to the UK
:17:36. > :17:37.in 2003 it was already a lot of Polish people
:17:38. > :17:47.So I think it should be stopped for that reason.
:17:48. > :18:00.Yeah but not because they're leaving EU, just to control that I think.
:18:01. > :18:05.Monika believes immigration needs to be controlled - but how
:18:06. > :18:12."That s when your dreams all come true.
:18:13. > :18:15.In Wrexham, people voted by 59% to 41% to leave the EU.
:18:16. > :18:18.I'm going to meet members of a local golf club, to find out how they
:18:19. > :18:27.I live in a little village called Rossett and we ve got two schools,
:18:28. > :18:29.a primary school and a secondary school, and they re
:18:30. > :18:32.The doctors surgeries are the same and the Wrexham
:18:33. > :18:38.So we ve got a lot of Polish people in the area.
:18:39. > :18:42.They're brilliant, they're good anything against them.
:18:43. > :18:49.There are people who would say that you re tending
:18:50. > :18:50.towards a xenophobic attitude there.
:18:51. > :18:54.I've got nothing against people coming here to work.
:18:55. > :18:58.Fine, but you know we can only take so many.
:18:59. > :19:07.I work for a European firm which is based all over the EU,
:19:08. > :19:11.Spain - Airbus, and I voted for job security really.
:19:12. > :19:14.I just think at the moment all these outers, including the government,
:19:15. > :19:17.didn't have a plan and now they are out they still
:19:18. > :19:29.I think it's immigration as simple as that.
:19:30. > :19:31.Have you thought about it since? have you?
:19:32. > :19:41.One of those who helped campaign for a leave vote in north Wales
:19:42. > :19:48.The campaign we ran, we had supporters from Labour,
:19:49. > :19:50.Conservative, Independents, people who d never shown any
:19:51. > :19:59.What was the thing that brought that coalition
:20:00. > :20:10.They just feel that we don't have control of our future as long
:20:11. > :20:13.There s a genuine feeling that people that make rules
:20:14. > :20:19.living on separate planet to people on ground.
:20:20. > :20:22.That was my perception immigration did come up time and time again
:20:23. > :20:24.but wasn t a racist thing, it was numbers.
:20:25. > :20:27.I'm an engineer; if we planning a new factory we d have to plan how
:20:28. > :20:30.many people we could accommodate and have to plan the drains
:20:31. > :20:39.and power and water supply and accommodation to match it
:20:40. > :20:44.and none of the main parties are offering anything like that.
:20:45. > :20:46.So we are clear about it, do you have a fundamental dislike
:20:47. > :20:53.I've told you I worked in Poland in 70s - wonderful,
:20:54. > :20:54.wonderful people, my wife s family was Greek
:20:55. > :21:00.Tell me" We getti"g there? we done it.
:21:01. > :21:02.At this care home immigration - and the free movement
:21:03. > :21:06.Mario Kreft employs 800 people at a number of care
:21:07. > :21:10.homes across north Wales, including this one in Wrexham.
:21:11. > :21:13.About 30% of his staff come from overseas - including
:21:14. > :21:19.He's worried the Leave vote may impact on his
:21:20. > :21:26.We have thousands of nurses short in Wales, the NHS is struggling
:21:27. > :21:29.with nurses and we are actually about to bring in some
:21:30. > :21:32.Italian nurses and worried are they going to look at this
:21:33. > :21:34.referendum result and say actually not quite fancying that,
:21:35. > :21:45.People working in social care have lot very high qualities,
:21:46. > :21:52.real skills, not necessarily skills you learn at university.
:21:53. > :22:02.Tell me about you where are you from?
:22:03. > :22:04.Portugal, I ve been here 12 years in February.
:22:05. > :22:07.Really happy with where I live, in work they all treat me
:22:08. > :22:11.There is no difference in between? My family is here,
:22:12. > :22:17.my 2 sisters and my mum and dad and I ve got fella and my daughter
:22:18. > :22:34.This is home for me now, lived here longer than I ve lived
:22:35. > :22:42.What was effect of referendum vote for you then?
:22:43. > :22:45.I feel this is home for me now, so I feel a bit rejected
:22:46. > :22:52.the fact they ve come out of the UE (!) in a way.
:22:53. > :22:55."What I want to do in the first instance is offer as much
:22:56. > :22:59.reassurance as I can in a relative uncertain time.
:23:00. > :23:02.Last week, the Welsh Secretary was meeting constituents to answer
:23:03. > :23:05.questions on what Brexit means for Wales.
:23:06. > :23:19.So, what does Westminster plan to do about immigration?
:23:20. > :23:22.It's too early to 'ome to a clear position, we haven t
:23:23. > :23:24.concluded our discussions cos we need to understand where other
:23:25. > :23:28.But we wouldn t disclose our position completely either cos
:23:29. > :23:30.in terms of negotiating process we would want to hold things back
:23:31. > :23:39.in terms of striking that deal at vital time.
:23:40. > :23:42.Prominent Leave campaigners UKIP have been highlighting the issue
:23:43. > :23:44.of immigration for years, but their leader in Wales insists
:23:45. > :23:53.they concentrated on other issues during the referendum.
:23:54. > :23:56.The focus of message I gave was on getting back our democracy,
:23:57. > :24:03.If they voted to leave solely on immigration then I m sure that it
:24:04. > :24:06.reasons why they voted but I don t believe that is the reason why
:24:07. > :24:13.Much bigger picture, much bigger message and the message
:24:14. > :24:16.we gave time after time after time was that bit about control,
:24:17. > :24:18.not just control of immigration, control of our taxes,
:24:19. > :24:20.where they're spent, control of our laws and control
:24:21. > :24:34.Back in Blaenau Gwent, I m going to meet a company boss
:24:35. > :24:36.who s looking forward to having more control over the way
:24:37. > :24:44.The name of your company is M Europe Ltd and yet
:24:45. > :24:56.M Europe was a name thought up when we started the company.
:24:57. > :24:59.We do have a European connection in the fact we re still purchasing
:25:00. > :25:07.Some of the manufacturing parts are in Europe,
:25:08. > :25:14.my view in life is that one - I'm, British first and Welsh second.
:25:15. > :25:16.The trouble I find in this country is that everyone
:25:17. > :25:19.wants to be individual countries, individual sections.
:25:20. > :25:29.Being run by civil servants who have no concept of what we want in this
:25:30. > :25:31.country and I m totally proud of the fact that this country can
:25:32. > :25:33.survive by itself, without the assistance of Europe,
:25:34. > :25:40.You ve got apprentices and the money that pays for those
:25:41. > :25:46.apprenticeships is European is it not?
:25:47. > :25:52.We contribute I think 60% of their wages for year one.
:25:53. > :25:55.There s a small subsidy which would happen in most
:25:56. > :25:56.organisations? T: Yeah but that s European money,
:25:57. > :26:00.which you're not going to get in future.
:26:01. > :26:03.The point is European money - this is the other thing that
:26:04. > :26:06.annoys me: this is British money, no matter what anyone says it s not
:26:07. > :26:11.This is British money that has gone to Europe and is coming
:26:12. > :26:15.And Mike s not on his own, in believing Britain is better
:26:16. > :26:22.Jacqui s still trying to understand why her party s remain message
:26:23. > :26:38.Today, she's at her sister s in Tredegar.
:26:39. > :26:40.Wendy why did you decide to vote leave?
:26:41. > :26:43.For me it's a multitude of reasons but the big thing is having control
:26:44. > :26:46.back of our country. So, to have 28 people we never chose
:26:47. > :26:48.how our laws are changed, how our food should look,
:26:49. > :26:58.We need control back in this country.
:26:59. > :27:01.We need our government to fight for jobs bringing them
:27:02. > :27:04.cos 'hat s the one place that s been let down,
:27:05. > :27:07.I know there's been investment from the EU it was a massive
:27:08. > :27:10.decision for me make but I think at the end of the day
:27:11. > :27:13.we've got a better chance of making our own trade deals we now
:27:14. > :27:16.But without EU fun'ing there's a lot of investment that s
:27:17. > :27:21.Hang on - we are spending over ?13b a year in EU all countries
:27:22. > :27:24.going to jump in on board that s more money we are going to be
:27:25. > :27:27.spending - keep that money in UK, go to the Welsh Government,
:27:28. > :27:37.Wendy s frustration with the EU is shared on the nearby Rassau
:27:38. > :27:45.There is no opposition as far as I can see in Parliament,
:27:46. > :27:48.no opposition for this country in Brussels - they just seem
:27:49. > :27:51.to swallow everything that's given to them and I think that s upsetting
:27:52. > :27:53.a lot of people that they feel like somebody else is
:27:54. > :28:03.Clearly something has been simmering in this country for a long time -
:28:04. > :28:06.much longer than most politicians and policy makers have been aware,
:28:07. > :28:08.which is a frustration, a sense of alienation
:28:09. > :28:10.that the decision makers - the elites - are oblivious
:28:11. > :28:13.to the local reality of how the economy and policy effects
:28:14. > :28:26.And it s this disconnect between the main political parties
:28:27. > :28:29.and local communities which Jacqui has been reflecting on, nearly four
:28:30. > :28:37.Politics as a whole in this country, if we re going to move forward, has
:28:38. > :28:43.Politicians the length and breadth have got to start
:28:44. > :28:47.Not just people like myself who are Labour members -
:28:48. > :28:49.but the average Joe in the street, the everyman in the street,
:28:50. > :28:52.when you speak to them and their concerns.
:28:53. > :29:00.We seem to have lost this connection over the years and I don t know how.
:29:01. > :29:02.Senior figures in the Labour party in Wales accept
:29:03. > :29:07.We need to recognise that there's a fundamental lack of trust
:29:08. > :29:09.in politics at the moment and we respond to that not simply
:29:10. > :29:14.through delivering leaflets but through substance.
:29:15. > :29:20.One of the problems in this area notably the circuit of Wales,
:29:21. > :29:25.which doesn t seem to be any closer to getting off the drawing board.
:29:26. > :29:28.We've been promised a lot of different things by different
:29:29. > :29:33.I think if you want to draw lessons from it, instead of focusing on one
:29:34. > :29:35.individual project, the lesson would be that people don t
:29:36. > :29:41.Promises I made during the referendum campaign
:29:42. > :29:46.And I think people feel they have lost so much over the years,
:29:47. > :29:48.whether it's the mines or the steelworks, they don t
:29:49. > :29:50.believe promises anymore and there's a deep rooted cynicism
:29:51. > :30:02.It leaves me feeling I have to work harder feeling I have to articulate
:30:03. > :30:07.things in ways I haven t in the past.
:30:08. > :30:09.Plaid Cymru wanted to stay in the EU.
:30:10. > :30:11.They're now asking what the future will look like for
:30:12. > :30:24.But why didn't their remain message get across in some areas?
:30:25. > :30:27.Everybody has to take a bit of the responsibility but don t
:30:28. > :30:29.think blaming people now is going to solve anything
:30:30. > :30:32.for the future, quite frankly And so yes that is a failure
:30:33. > :30:35.of the political establishment but also something we need to assess
:30:36. > :30:38.now and talk to people about how to move on from this.
:30:39. > :30:41.We would like Wales to have more powers, we would like to be more
:30:42. > :30:44.autonomous in a European setting, we would like now for a situation
:30:45. > :30:46.to change where we have potentially looking at structural
:30:47. > :30:49.funding in a different way and if there are schemes in future
:30:50. > :31:03.how people can be consulted better on them.
:31:04. > :31:05.What all politicians are agreed on is that Wales
:31:06. > :31:09.The Welsh Government is pressing the UK Government to give Wales
:31:10. > :31:11.the same amount of funding it was due to have received
:31:12. > :31:23.The UK government has told us they can t guarantee any
:31:24. > :31:25.of the existing funding let alone additional funding and First
:31:26. > :31:28.Minister has said there's additional ?650m hole in the Welsh budget.
:31:29. > :31:33.And the First Minister has been very clear in the last few weeks,
:31:34. > :31:36.saying the UK government now has responsibility to ensure that
:31:37. > :31:52.Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns told us he will work
:31:53. > :31:54.with the Welsh Government to get the best deal for Wales,
:31:55. > :31:57.though he can t guarantee that Wales will receive the equivalent amount
:31:58. > :32:09.Too early to say let's just switch one source of funding from Europe
:32:10. > :32:13.to another source funding say from Westminster.
:32:14. > :32:16.That misses the point 'cause those areas of Wales voted the strongest
:32:17. > :32:19.to leave the EU were very often those areas that gained
:32:20. > :32:30.That tells us those policies or funding schemes
:32:31. > :32:35.We're in danger of measuring inputs rather than outputs.
:32:36. > :32:37.I think more innovative, more direct way that we can develop
:32:38. > :32:47.Prime Minister Theresa May met with First Minister
:32:48. > :32:51.She says she wants the Welsh Government to be involved
:32:52. > :33:08.In Blaenau Gwent - and the rest of Wales - this has been
:33:09. > :33:16.The question is what will it mean for our nation in future?
:33:17. > :33:19.Nobody would be happy in a situation of uncertainty.
:33:20. > :33:34.I think it will take quite a few years and things will settle down.
:33:35. > :33:37.An old analogy which we used to use underground, I don t want
:33:38. > :33:40.a lot of money but I'd like to have the difference
:33:41. > :33:43.between marge and butter, you know, and that s what I would like to see
:33:44. > :33:49.Let s look at how we're going to fund communities up
:33:50. > :33:52.Let s see how we can get investments, get jobs here,
:33:53. > :33:55.get people reinvigorated, give them hope again.