0:00:02 > 0:00:06Left, right, left! Left.
0:00:07 > 0:00:09Left, right, left!
0:00:18 > 0:00:21Newcastle, Natal, South Africa.
0:00:21 > 0:00:23I'm waiting for Eugene Terre Blanche,
0:00:23 > 0:00:27leader of the AWB, the white supremacist party in South Africa
0:00:27 > 0:00:30which is preparing itself for war against the blacks.
0:00:30 > 0:00:33It had been a fairly frustrating week.
0:00:33 > 0:00:35The leader just didn't seem to be interested in meeting us
0:00:35 > 0:00:38and its press liaison officers said I looked like a Turk
0:00:38 > 0:00:41and should be put in the coloured section of town.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44A major power base for the AWB is the support
0:00:44 > 0:00:48and help it receives from the army, police and security forces.
0:00:48 > 0:00:50UPBEAT MARCHING MUSIC
0:01:07 > 0:01:08CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:01:08 > 0:01:14CROWD, IN AFRIKAANS PRONUNCIATION: AWB! AWB! AWB! AWB!
0:01:14 > 0:01:20AWB! AWB! AWB!
0:01:20 > 0:01:27AWB! AWB! AWB! AWB!
0:01:27 > 0:01:30AWB! AWB!
0:01:30 > 0:01:33AWB! AWB!
0:01:53 > 0:01:55APPLAUSE AND WHISTLING
0:02:23 > 0:02:25LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
0:02:37 > 0:02:39AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:02:43 > 0:02:45AUDIENCE LAUGHS
0:02:51 > 0:02:55CONTINUES SPEAKING IN AFRIKAANS
0:03:08 > 0:03:10THUD
0:03:10 > 0:03:14Barry, my cameraman was hit to the floor by one of the supporters.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17Terre Blanche's driver saw it happening from the stage
0:03:17 > 0:03:21and out of sympathy offered to arrange an interview for us with the leader.
0:03:21 > 0:03:24We drove from Newcastle in the south-east of South Africa
0:03:24 > 0:03:27to Ventersdorp, a small town in the Transvaal
0:03:27 > 0:03:29where the leader has his headquarters.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32There was a news report that day of 50 AWB members
0:03:32 > 0:03:35armed with shotguns, knives and pick handles
0:03:35 > 0:03:39attacking black mine workers returning to the surface.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42The AWB are objecting to blacks being employed on certain shifts.
0:04:24 > 0:04:25Hello?
0:04:27 > 0:04:32Oh, I'm sorry. Mr Terre Blanche waited for you about a quarter
0:04:32 > 0:04:36and then he said you would have to make another appointment to see him.
0:04:36 > 0:04:42- Mr Blanche came back?- Yes. - When should we have a meeting?- Um...
0:04:42 > 0:04:48Um, you'll have to make another appointment, to see him. Um...
0:04:49 > 0:04:55Um, I think you can call Mr Meyer this afternoon.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58- Have you got his number? - I've got his number.
0:04:58 > 0:05:03- So I'll try and make another appointment with him? - Yes, yes, I think so. Yes.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05I'm sorry.
0:05:05 > 0:05:07'JP Meyer, the leader's driver,
0:05:07 > 0:05:10'lives in this street in the house next to the leader's.
0:05:10 > 0:05:13'I learned he'd only come out of prison last week
0:05:13 > 0:05:15'because of his involvement with Piet Rudolph,
0:05:15 > 0:05:19'South Africa's most wanted white terrorist.'
0:05:19 > 0:05:20Why don't we let you get up?
0:05:20 > 0:05:26- Just come and have a seat here, I'll be up in a few seconds.- All right.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28- Sorry to wake you. - That's OK, you're welcome.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32Look, shall we come back in half an hour? Or an hour?
0:05:32 > 0:05:38- What time is it now?- About 4:30. - Well, I told you four o'clock, man.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41- Please come in.- We'll come back in an hour.- OK.- All right?
0:05:41 > 0:05:44Don't photograph me, you bastard!
0:05:44 > 0:05:47BARKING AND WHIMPERING
0:05:51 > 0:05:53These are the leader's dogs
0:05:53 > 0:05:58and this is the closest we've got to the leader since we've arrived.
0:05:58 > 0:05:59UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS
0:06:03 > 0:06:06'We finally agreed to meet the leader
0:06:06 > 0:06:09'at a barbecue being given in our honour.
0:06:09 > 0:06:11'Johann, one of the town councillors, was host -
0:06:11 > 0:06:14'largely, I think, because he was taken by the blonde hair,
0:06:14 > 0:06:17'blue eyes and Aryan looks of my assistant, Rita.'
0:06:21 > 0:06:23What do you people expect to get here?
0:06:24 > 0:06:26I don't know, we're just looking.
0:06:26 > 0:06:32No, but you people left home, you climb on the aeroplane,
0:06:32 > 0:06:35then you travel 14 hours to South Africa.
0:06:35 > 0:06:41What did you people expect to get here, eh? People wearing pants?
0:06:41 > 0:06:42Good people.
0:06:42 > 0:06:47- So the Queen of England... - 'JP, the leader's driver, was there too
0:06:47 > 0:06:50'only he'd shaved his beard off since we had last seen him.'
0:06:52 > 0:06:56And you're my brother, you've got the same colour as what I've got.
0:06:56 > 0:07:00- You were made to the image of God. - What colour?- White.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08Or do you think the image of God is my face or your face?
0:07:12 > 0:07:15If you read the Bible, what do you say, what is the image of God?
0:07:17 > 0:07:19- Well, tell me.- It's our colour.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22This white uniform that God gave us to wear.
0:07:25 > 0:07:30This is the image of God, the white colour. We are special people.
0:07:30 > 0:07:33Even if you don't realise it, you'll realise it in the end.
0:07:35 > 0:07:40You might not realise it now but you are part of my people.
0:07:41 > 0:07:44- Don't you believe that? - I don't know, I haven't...
0:07:45 > 0:07:52You should come to South Africa more often, man. I'll convert you.
0:07:58 > 0:08:00'There was still no sign of the leader.
0:08:00 > 0:08:03'I asked Johann, the town councillor, where he was.'
0:08:04 > 0:08:09I don't know. I really don't know.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15'We were making slow progress. I was asked if I wanted
0:08:15 > 0:08:19'to interview the fugitive Piet Rudolph for 5,000
0:08:19 > 0:08:21'but I was still no closer to the leader.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25'I was reduced to pleading to ride with the leader to his next meeting
0:08:25 > 0:08:28'in the hope I could ask a couple of questions on the way.'
0:08:28 > 0:08:31- In the car?- Yeah. - I told you the leader won't allow it.
0:08:31 > 0:08:34He said, no way. Not a chance.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38I just wanted to show you driving and...
0:08:40 > 0:08:46There's nothing to driving a car that needs filming. Is there?
0:08:49 > 0:08:52Do we drive differently to the people in your country?
0:08:57 > 0:08:59Goodbye.
0:09:00 > 0:09:04A report came through from Cape Town of AWB supporters
0:09:04 > 0:09:06badly beating three young black children
0:09:06 > 0:09:10and five black schoolteachers as they were leaving a swimming pool.
0:09:10 > 0:09:14The AWB has vowed to keep the pool for whites only.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42We were on the outskirts of Pretoria when we discovered
0:09:42 > 0:09:46we weren't going to be able to get our interview with Pete Rudolph.
0:09:46 > 0:09:50Good evening. One of South Africa's most wanted fugitives,
0:09:50 > 0:09:53right winger Piet Rudolph, has been arrested in Pretoria.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56Rudolph, known as "Piet Skiet", was wanted for questioning
0:09:56 > 0:10:00in connection with the theft of a quantity of arms and ammunition
0:10:00 > 0:10:02from a defence force base in Pretoria.
0:10:02 > 0:10:05Law and Order Minister Adriaan Vlok said Rudolph
0:10:05 > 0:10:09had been arrested in Paul Kruger Street in Wonderboom this afternoon.
0:10:09 > 0:10:10CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:10:14 > 0:10:19AWB, AWB, AWB!
0:10:25 > 0:10:27'People are stunned by Piet Rudolph's arrest.
0:10:27 > 0:10:31'The leader recites a poem about the death of the 27,000 Boer women
0:10:31 > 0:10:34'and children in the British concentration camps.'
0:10:41 > 0:10:45RECITES AFRIKAANS POETRY
0:11:07 > 0:11:10'Now that Piet Rudolph was arrested,
0:11:10 > 0:11:13'JP was terrified that he would be put back in prison.
0:11:13 > 0:11:16'Piet Rudolph had promised he would kill himself
0:11:16 > 0:11:20'rather than testify against his collaborators in the AWB.'
0:11:40 > 0:11:41CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:12:13 > 0:12:18- Good morning. My, but you're early. - 'This is the driver's wife, Anita.'
0:12:18 > 0:12:21- Is JP still here? - Yes, he's sleeping.
0:12:21 > 0:12:25- He's only going to the office a little bit later.- Oh, I see.
0:12:25 > 0:12:30- So he's not going to disappear or anything?- No, I don't think so.
0:12:30 > 0:12:31I hope not so.
0:12:31 > 0:12:34Because last night, JP said he thought he might have to...
0:12:34 > 0:12:40Yes, he's a bit frightened at the moment and I think he's nervous
0:12:40 > 0:12:42but I talked to him last night
0:12:42 > 0:12:45and said he must think properly about things.
0:12:45 > 0:12:50About me and the kids staying alone at home and things like that, you know?
0:12:50 > 0:12:53So what do you think he'll...?
0:12:53 > 0:12:54I don't know.
0:12:55 > 0:13:00I think he'll think about it today and then make a decision.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04But I can't really decide for him and I can't do anything.
0:13:05 > 0:13:09I must take what he's doing. I'm used to that.
0:13:09 > 0:13:14Yeah, because we thought he might be going halfway through the night yesterday.
0:13:14 > 0:13:20Oh. No, no. Would you like to see him? He's still in bed.
0:13:20 > 0:13:24- You can come and see him. - He's probably asleep, is he?- Yes. - Maybe we should let him sleep.
0:13:24 > 0:13:29- Or shall we have a quick look? - Yeah, just to be sure he is there!
0:13:31 > 0:13:33'There was an announcement in the paper that day
0:13:33 > 0:13:36'that Piet Rudolph intended to go on hunger strike.'
0:13:37 > 0:13:41I'm quite upset because he's the best human being in the whole world.
0:13:43 > 0:13:48And...looks to me like he's going to become the second Bobby Sands,
0:13:48 > 0:13:52or the South African Bobby Sands, as the newspaper says.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55CHILD SPEAKS IN AFRIKAANS
0:13:55 > 0:13:57What did you admire so much about him?
0:13:57 > 0:13:59His whole personality.
0:14:00 > 0:14:05He's not really a criminal, he's just a guy that loves his volk and his country.
0:14:07 > 0:14:09Do you think he'll go through with a hunger strike?
0:14:09 > 0:14:14Oh, yes, he'll carry through with it. Definitely.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17What will you do if they come to arrest you again?
0:14:17 > 0:14:22They won't arrest me again. I won't allow them, they'll have to kill me.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32I'm sleeping with a Luger right next to me.
0:14:36 > 0:14:38Would you seriously use it?
0:14:38 > 0:14:43Yes, I don't think I'll try seriously to kill somebody
0:14:43 > 0:14:48but I'll definitely make a lot of noise and force them to shoot me.
0:14:48 > 0:14:49That I'd do.
0:14:58 > 0:15:01'We were hoping to see the leader later that morning.
0:15:01 > 0:15:04'In the meantime, we accompanied Anita, JP's wife,
0:15:04 > 0:15:06'who works as a health visitor.'
0:15:07 > 0:15:09Somebody's calling us along the road.
0:15:13 > 0:15:16THEY CHAT IN NATIVE DIALECT
0:15:17 > 0:15:20Just hold the line. Condoms.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22'Her chief concerns are sterilisation
0:15:22 > 0:15:24'and the distribution of condoms.'
0:15:27 > 0:15:30THEY CHAT FURTHER
0:15:32 > 0:15:34All right.
0:15:46 > 0:15:50'That week in Anita's area, they manage to sterilise 60 women.
0:15:54 > 0:15:57'We were due to have a meeting with the lead at 11am.
0:15:57 > 0:15:59'I had been advised not to ask the leader
0:15:59 > 0:16:03'any direct personal questions and to drop or rephrase any questions
0:16:03 > 0:16:05'that he took obvious exception to.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08'Apparently, he was particularly sensitive about questions
0:16:08 > 0:16:12'about his relationship with Jani Allan, the gossip columnist,
0:16:12 > 0:16:15'and to reports that week that three members of the AWB executive
0:16:15 > 0:16:19'in the Cape had emptied their guns into a black bus,
0:16:19 > 0:16:21'killing seven and wounding 20.'
0:16:21 > 0:16:24- Hello, good morning. - Good morning, can I help?
0:16:24 > 0:16:27Yes, we've come to do our interview with Mr Terre Blanche.
0:16:27 > 0:16:29Oh, he's in a...meeting.
0:16:29 > 0:16:34- He's in a meeting?- Yes.
0:16:34 > 0:16:36Oh.
0:16:36 > 0:16:40- He didn't leave a message about us coming here?- No, no. No message.
0:16:42 > 0:16:44So this is Mr Terre Blanche here.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47This might be the closest we'll ever get to Mr Terre Blanche.
0:16:51 > 0:16:54DOG SNARLS AGRESSIVELY
0:16:54 > 0:16:58'Things weren't going much better back in town.'
0:16:58 > 0:17:02SINGING IN AFRIKAANS
0:17:08 > 0:17:11'We'd been trying for weeks to get permission to film
0:17:11 > 0:17:14'at the APK breakaway church which is still exclusively white
0:17:14 > 0:17:16'and that all members of the AWB belong to,
0:17:16 > 0:17:19'but just couldn't get through the door.'
0:17:19 > 0:17:21So, what are you busying with?
0:17:21 > 0:17:24We were just getting some shots of the people outside.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27Yes, but you haven't got any permission to do this, or what?
0:17:27 > 0:17:32I thought we were allowed to film outside but we couldn't film inside?
0:17:32 > 0:17:33No, I don't think it's...
0:17:36 > 0:17:40No, I think we'd rather leave it alone because we must first
0:17:40 > 0:17:43go into this case and see what it's all about, you know?
0:17:43 > 0:17:49- Which case? - This filming of the building and...
0:17:50 > 0:17:53'At the golf club I was shouted at for being a Communist
0:17:53 > 0:17:57'and an ANC sympathiser and refused a drink at the bar.'
0:17:57 > 0:18:00- Good morning.- Can I help you? - We asked you before...
0:18:00 > 0:18:03No, we said this is a private place, no photos, no nothing. Please.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07- I'm sorry, I thought you said that we could film here.- No.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10RHYTHMIC MARCHING CHANT
0:18:10 > 0:18:13'At the school we were told to write to Pretoria
0:18:13 > 0:18:16'and when we tried to film the girls behind the matching band...'
0:18:18 > 0:18:19You can't film here.
0:18:19 > 0:18:21Excuse me?
0:18:21 > 0:18:25You have no... You have... We have to...
0:18:30 > 0:18:33'Johann, the town councillor, the richest man in town,
0:18:33 > 0:18:37'owns a diamond mine and a tractor business by the black township.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40'He was the only town official prepared to talk to us.'
0:18:40 > 0:18:46- What is prettier than a pretty woman?- RITA: I don't know.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50It's a woman who's pretty but is sitting bad.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52She looks prettier.
0:18:52 > 0:18:55'Johann was trying to talk my assistant Rita into marrying him.
0:18:55 > 0:18:57'He and his friend Anton had a special joke for her.'
0:18:57 > 0:19:02- Can you understand it?- What is prettier than a pretty woman?
0:19:02 > 0:19:08- I don't know.- When a pretty woman sits pretty.- Sits bad, not pretty.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12- Oh, bad.- Ja.- And she looks prettier.
0:19:14 > 0:19:19- I still don't get it. - You can't get it?
0:19:19 > 0:19:21You see, a woman's a pretty thing.
0:19:22 > 0:19:26There's nothing prettier than a woman, only one thing is prettier.
0:19:26 > 0:19:31- A pretty woman sitting bad... - Is prettier.- ..is prettier.
0:20:03 > 0:20:05'Finally, we were going to meet the leader.
0:20:05 > 0:20:08'We were amongst a group of other journalists and photographers,
0:20:08 > 0:20:11'a kind of mini press junket organised by the AWB
0:20:11 > 0:20:15'at one of their secret commando training camps way out on the veld.
0:20:15 > 0:20:18'Originally we were being told that we would have an exclusive,
0:20:18 > 0:20:20'but the leader clearly had other ideas.'
0:20:20 > 0:20:24- How are you people?- How do you do? - Fine. Good to see you again.
0:20:24 > 0:20:26Hope you enjoy it.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28We're looking forward to watching today.
0:20:28 > 0:20:30And tomorrow, as well, isn't it?
0:20:30 > 0:20:34- Well, I'm not sure, you'll have to arrange that with the Kommandant.- OK.
0:20:34 > 0:20:35HE SPEAKS IN AFRIKAANS
0:20:38 > 0:20:41'I'd been hoping to raise the question of an interview,
0:20:41 > 0:20:44'but the leader seemed much too preoccupied
0:20:44 > 0:20:45'with the other journalists.'
0:20:45 > 0:20:48SHOUTING
0:20:57 > 0:21:02We like the atmosphere here. It's quite nice.
0:21:02 > 0:21:05All the cattle and the horses together
0:21:05 > 0:21:07and all the people together.
0:21:07 > 0:21:12Drop the weapon into your hand and let it balance. Like that.
0:21:12 > 0:21:14Close the bottom three fingers.
0:21:16 > 0:21:21Lay your trigger finger alongside the trigger guard on the frame. OK?
0:21:21 > 0:21:25That's your single hand grip. Nice and firm but not too hard.
0:21:25 > 0:21:27Right, take it away again.
0:21:27 > 0:21:31SHOUTING IN AFRIKAANS
0:21:31 > 0:21:33GUN HAMMERS CLICK
0:21:36 > 0:21:38'It was at this point that Anita
0:21:38 > 0:21:41'nearly cost the leader his life by waving a loaded Luger at him.'
0:21:41 > 0:21:44- Whoa, whoa!- Put that thing away. - Put it down.
0:21:44 > 0:21:46(INAUDIBLE)
0:21:48 > 0:21:51- Right?- Ja.- OK, that's your beret.
0:21:51 > 0:21:53All right, ladies.
0:21:53 > 0:21:56Ha, now I'm looking smart, eh?
0:21:56 > 0:21:57Not really.
0:21:57 > 0:21:59HORSES WHINNEY
0:22:08 > 0:22:10'I learned to my horror that Terre Blanche's horse
0:22:10 > 0:22:14'had once trampled one of the journalists present underfoot
0:22:14 > 0:22:15'cracking several of his ribs
0:22:15 > 0:22:19'and leaving him hospitalised for days when he got a bit too close.
0:22:19 > 0:22:23'Terre Blanche was also famous for having chased journalists out of his office mid-interview
0:22:23 > 0:22:26'if he considered a particular question insulting or stupid.'
0:22:34 > 0:22:38HE SPEAKS IN AFRIKAANS
0:22:44 > 0:22:47'I was beginning to get slightly desperate now.
0:22:47 > 0:22:49'We'd been in South Africa for several weeks
0:22:49 > 0:22:52'and I was still no closer to an interview
0:22:52 > 0:22:54'than the day I'd arrived.
0:22:54 > 0:22:57'This seemed the ideal time to adopt a more direct approach,
0:22:57 > 0:23:01'though I have to admit to being quite intimidated by him.'
0:23:01 > 0:23:06- Ja?- Do you think maybe we could do an interview with you later today?
0:23:06 > 0:23:09My good friend, I said last week you can have an interview with me
0:23:09 > 0:23:11- in my office.- OK.
0:23:11 > 0:23:15- So I let you come to this place.- OK. - To see all this.
0:23:15 > 0:23:17But why, always when I'm busy
0:23:17 > 0:23:23with my people, I do not have the opportunity to see them many times.
0:23:23 > 0:23:26- OK, we...- This is the first time in two years that I see them
0:23:26 > 0:23:32so please give me... Let... Take the time to see my people
0:23:32 > 0:23:37- and next week in my office officially you'll have your interview, OK?- OK.
0:23:37 > 0:23:43- So you go and take all the shots you want here and then we can discuss it in my office.- OK.
0:23:48 > 0:23:51NEWS JINGLE PLAYS
0:23:56 > 0:23:58'I wasn't able to see the leader that week
0:23:58 > 0:24:00'because he was in Pretoria
0:24:00 > 0:24:03'meeting with the Minister of Law and Order, Adriaan Vlok,
0:24:03 > 0:24:07- 'about AWB violence.' - NEWSREADER: Mr Vlok expressed concern about the breaking up
0:24:07 > 0:24:09of political meetings and the activities
0:24:09 > 0:24:12of the AWB's Boer commandos.
0:24:12 > 0:24:15Mr Blanche said at a news conference after the meeting
0:24:15 > 0:24:17that the unruly behaviour of people
0:24:17 > 0:24:20at National Party meetings was the result of what
0:24:20 > 0:24:24he called the government's policy of selling out whites to terrorists,
0:24:24 > 0:24:26and if the government wanted to stop such actions,
0:24:26 > 0:24:28it should stop the reform process.
0:24:38 > 0:24:41'I had the feeling that Anita didn't like the leader very much.'
0:24:41 > 0:24:47Yes, in a sense I like him, but he's also very...dominative.
0:24:49 > 0:24:53When he tells you to get up, you must get up.
0:24:53 > 0:24:55Now, sometimes I'm stubborn.
0:24:55 > 0:24:58If he says to me, "Get up," then I'll sit down.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00And he tells me to go and fetch something,
0:25:00 > 0:25:03I say... I'll tell him that I'm busy now.
0:25:04 > 0:25:10- It's just, um...a reaction of mine against...- Maybe it's good for him.
0:25:10 > 0:25:13- Pardon?- Maybe it's good for him.
0:25:13 > 0:25:15For the leader? No, it's not good.
0:25:15 > 0:25:19And that's what JP discovered long ago.
0:25:19 > 0:25:22It's no use going against him, rather please him
0:25:22 > 0:25:25and you'll have a much more comfortable man.
0:25:25 > 0:25:29When you go against him, he gets more and more aggravated.
0:25:29 > 0:25:32But now I can't help myself.
0:25:32 > 0:25:36I'm just stubborn when I'm in his company.
0:25:40 > 0:25:43'When the leader returned,
0:25:43 > 0:25:47'I decided to employ a more direct paparazzi style.'
0:25:48 > 0:25:50- Stop.- OK, sorry. Sorry.
0:25:54 > 0:25:59- When you take photos of me, you have to ask me, OK?- All right. Sorry.
0:26:05 > 0:26:08Now, you've really upset him.
0:26:08 > 0:26:10What? Just because we...?
0:26:19 > 0:26:24I assumed he didn't mind us taking pictures of him.
0:26:24 > 0:26:27'We travelled to Upington on the Namibian border.
0:26:27 > 0:26:31'A report came through from the Northern Transvaal
0:26:31 > 0:26:33'that AWB members armed with sticks and whips
0:26:33 > 0:26:36'attacked 300 black children attending Sunday school.
0:26:36 > 0:26:40'At the court hearing, the AWB accused received a standing ovation
0:26:40 > 0:26:44'and their bail was raised from public donations.'
0:27:16 > 0:27:21APPLAUSE AND CHANTING
0:27:42 > 0:27:45SPEAKS IN AFRIKAANS
0:27:51 > 0:27:54JP speaks of his admiration for Piet Rudolph.
0:27:54 > 0:27:57He appeals to the people to give money for Piet
0:27:57 > 0:27:59and all he stands for.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02JP believes that Beweg have found a martyr, a man prepared
0:28:02 > 0:28:06to starve himself to death for the people and their cause.
0:28:18 > 0:28:21CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:28:47 > 0:28:49At the end of the meeting,
0:28:49 > 0:28:52supporters rush up to sign on as commandos.
0:28:52 > 0:28:55AWB already have several thousand commandos,
0:28:55 > 0:29:00trained in semi-automatic weapons, unarmed combat and explosives.
0:29:00 > 0:29:03THEY SPEAK AFRIKAANS
0:29:23 > 0:29:27'At the time, I had no idea that the leader was illegally advising
0:29:27 > 0:29:29'this man to keep his weapons.'
0:29:30 > 0:29:33OK, now. I suppose you want to ask me a few questions.
0:29:34 > 0:29:40Of course, I want to use this little time to talk to my people.
0:29:40 > 0:29:42Do you want to ask a few questions?
0:29:42 > 0:29:47- We just wanted to film a little. - But that is not fair.
0:29:47 > 0:29:52Because my people do not know that they are on camera in Britain
0:29:52 > 0:29:56when they are not there to defend themselves.
0:29:56 > 0:30:01- Would you like us to stop?- If I want you to stop? Well, I think so.
0:30:01 > 0:30:07I think this is a private... It's time when one...
0:30:07 > 0:30:12Maybe one or three times per four years I can see my people.
0:30:12 > 0:30:16So this is really a private conversation.
0:30:16 > 0:30:21I want to chat with my people. And that is not for broadcasting. OK.
0:30:21 > 0:30:23CHEERING
0:30:25 > 0:30:29The one place we did receive a warm welcome
0:30:29 > 0:30:32was from the kids in the township outside Vanderstoep.
0:30:32 > 0:30:35Few of them had ever touched white skin.
0:30:51 > 0:30:53Kaffir Cat.
0:30:53 > 0:30:56Kaffir Cat. Kaffir Cat.
0:30:59 > 0:31:01Why do you call it Kaffir Cat?
0:31:01 > 0:31:03Because it's black.
0:31:03 > 0:31:06Blacks are called Kaffirs here.
0:31:06 > 0:31:13So Jani wants to call it Blackie or something like that, so I said,
0:31:13 > 0:31:17"No. Every second dog and cat in town that's black are called Blackie."
0:31:17 > 0:31:21"Let's be different and call it Kaffir Cat."
0:31:21 > 0:31:23So I think it's a marvellous idea.
0:31:28 > 0:31:36Tell us, what exactly did JP do with Piet Rudolph?
0:31:36 > 0:31:40And why did he go to prison? What did they want from him?
0:31:40 > 0:31:44They thought he knew where Piet Rudolph was.
0:31:44 > 0:31:47And he did not know where he stayed.
0:31:49 > 0:31:54But he just helped him because Mr Rudolph was his good friend
0:31:54 > 0:31:58and he was loyal to him.
0:31:58 > 0:32:02I mean, I'm also loyal to Mr Rudolph. He's a good man.
0:32:02 > 0:32:05What did JP do with Piet Rudolph?
0:32:07 > 0:32:10Now he...
0:32:10 > 0:32:16He introduced him to the people who know how to work explosives.
0:32:16 > 0:32:22Piet Rudolph and them come to an agreement...
0:32:22 > 0:32:26to blow up Melrose House.
0:32:26 > 0:32:32But JP wasn't pleased. He had nothing to do with it, really,
0:32:32 > 0:32:37other than introducing Mr Rudolph to those people.
0:32:42 > 0:32:49JP's houseboy is cleaning the BMW with the three sevens number plate.
0:32:49 > 0:32:53The Biblical three sevens are the AWB's adopted emblem and insignia.
0:32:55 > 0:32:58So, JP, what does the triple seven stand for on the car?
0:33:01 > 0:33:03It's a normal registration number.
0:33:03 > 0:33:06I thought the triple seven had a significance.
0:33:06 > 0:33:07It has a significance.
0:33:07 > 0:33:11Don't you think it's beautiful having a registration number like that?
0:33:11 > 0:33:14- Explain it to us. - There's not much to explain.
0:33:14 > 0:33:18- You want me to explain the sevens or the registration number?- The sevens.
0:33:18 > 0:33:20Well, the sevens are the sevens of God.
0:33:20 > 0:33:24Comes out of the Bible. Right through the Bible, you read about seven.
0:33:24 > 0:33:28God created Earth in seven days. He created man on the seventh day.
0:33:28 > 0:33:30He actually rested on the seventh day,
0:33:30 > 0:33:33man was created on the sixth day.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35We took it as our sign.
0:33:35 > 0:33:39It's the antipole of the triple sixes of the Antichrist.
0:33:39 > 0:33:43What kinds of people do you think are Antichrists?
0:33:44 > 0:33:47Satan and his disciples.
0:33:47 > 0:33:50Anybody that works with Satan.
0:33:50 > 0:33:52And, of course, the international money power.
0:33:52 > 0:33:55They are working in his hand.
0:33:55 > 0:33:57Who are "they"?
0:33:57 > 0:34:02- Just look around. Who owns Chase Manhattan Bank?- Who does?
0:34:02 > 0:34:07Well, it's the... Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
0:34:07 > 0:34:10And the Oppenheimers of the world.
0:34:15 > 0:34:17Have you ever read the book
0:34:17 > 0:34:22called The Illuminati And The CFR Conspiracy?
0:34:22 > 0:34:25Do yourself a favour and get hold of that book.
0:34:49 > 0:34:51The Terre Blanche interview
0:34:51 > 0:34:54had developed into some ridiculous kind of game.
0:34:54 > 0:34:56We once again arrived
0:34:56 > 0:34:59for an appointment to find he'd gone to yet another meeting.
0:34:59 > 0:35:01At least this time, though, we'd gotten into his office
0:35:01 > 0:35:06and were able to poke around in some of the leader's memorabilia.
0:35:06 > 0:35:11A picture of the leader as a policeman in the South African police force
0:35:11 > 0:35:14that had been used as a recruiting poster at the time.
0:35:14 > 0:35:17Terre Blanche, the poet and writer, whose play in Afrikaans
0:35:17 > 0:35:21about the Boer people and their struggle against thirst and hunger
0:35:21 > 0:35:25was compulsory reading in the school syllabus for children in Natal.
0:35:25 > 0:35:28Terre Blanche the private man whose nine-year-old daughter
0:35:28 > 0:35:32is rarely allowed out to play with other children for security reasons.
0:35:32 > 0:35:36Portraits of the original Boer generals who fought
0:35:36 > 0:35:41the British from 1899 to 1902 look on across the room, and almost silently witnessed
0:35:41 > 0:35:45the destruction of Terre Blanche's political career when he was found
0:35:45 > 0:35:48on the steps of the Paardekraal Monument with Jani Allan,
0:35:48 > 0:35:50a former model turned journalist.
0:35:50 > 0:35:55After their first meeting, Jani referred to the leader as Ramboer
0:35:55 > 0:36:00and wrote, "He doesn't walk into a room, he takes occupation of it.
0:36:00 > 0:36:04"Things shrink, the roomscape insidiously rearranges itself
0:36:04 > 0:36:06"so that he becomes the focal point.
0:36:06 > 0:36:10"He speaks with a rich earth-brown voice, sometimes the texture
0:36:10 > 0:36:11"of a newly ploughed field,
0:36:11 > 0:36:14"sometimes it's a caress of warm corduroy.
0:36:14 > 0:36:18"Right now, I've got to remind myself to breathe.
0:36:18 > 0:36:22"I'm impaled on the blue flames of his blowtorch eyes."
0:36:22 > 0:36:26Jani Allan left South Africa after a bomb exploded in her apartment.
0:36:36 > 0:36:40Johan the town councillor is particularly concerned
0:36:40 > 0:36:44that black men are starting to have sex with white women.
0:36:44 > 0:36:49What about AIDS in this country? Tell him about AIDS.
0:36:49 > 0:36:54- AIDS in this country...- They've got millions here.- The blacks...
0:36:54 > 0:36:56I've got something in mind.
0:36:56 > 0:37:01I've got a paper to show you. They used it the other day.
0:37:01 > 0:37:08There is always 20 or 30, or 120,000 blacks that's got AIDS.
0:37:08 > 0:37:11But the next day, I don't know where it came from,
0:37:11 > 0:37:16I still want to find out, next week,
0:37:16 > 0:37:20they talk about 1.5 million who's got AIDS.
0:37:22 > 0:37:26- Now.- Where is apartheid? - Where is apartheid now?
0:37:26 > 0:37:29Since apartheid disappeared, with FW de Klerk,
0:37:29 > 0:37:32- we've got all the bloody AIDS. - We'll die.
0:37:32 > 0:37:36- It's unreal, man.- We'll die.
0:37:39 > 0:37:45We will die all of AIDS. We can't mix. We can't mix.
0:37:45 > 0:37:48Like I tell you one thing, people,
0:37:48 > 0:37:51the whole world is crying for the blacks.
0:37:51 > 0:37:55The next thing is, I'm a Christian, I've got the Bible.
0:37:55 > 0:37:59I've got the Bible. And I believe in my Bible, I read my Bible.
0:38:02 > 0:38:10Before the world is going to disappear, through fire,
0:38:10 > 0:38:17AIDS is going to take 80% of the world's population.
0:38:17 > 0:38:23And 20% of that is going to survive.
0:38:23 > 0:38:27I won't say 20%, I'm not sure, I'm not Christ.
0:38:28 > 0:38:31I just make a statement to this.
0:38:31 > 0:38:36And I can tell you one thing, that few people who's going to be left
0:38:36 > 0:38:40is going to be Christians, and they're going to start
0:38:40 > 0:38:45a whole new, decent world, without Mandela and de Klerk.
0:38:45 > 0:38:48- Let me tell you that tonight. - AIDS will help us.
0:38:48 > 0:38:51AIDS is going to kill all the kaffirs.
0:38:51 > 0:38:54Yeah, we don't want to mix.
0:38:54 > 0:38:59We don't want to mix because AIDS will kill all the blacks.
0:38:59 > 0:39:02And we're going to survive.
0:39:02 > 0:39:08And when we are separate, apartheid was the word, what do you call it?
0:39:08 > 0:39:14- We will survive. - You're going to survive.- Yeah.
0:39:14 > 0:39:18The blacks is going for the white woman now in South Africa.
0:39:18 > 0:39:22- And this is where the war's going to start.- Yeah, I'm telling you.
0:39:22 > 0:39:25- This is not Rhodesia. - I know Rhodesia.
0:39:28 > 0:39:33You know what's going to happen here? Did you ever see bullets fly?
0:39:33 > 0:39:36Did you ever see it? This is what's going to...
0:39:36 > 0:39:39I've got three daughters.
0:39:39 > 0:39:46One is 15, one is just under 14, one is just under 12.
0:39:46 > 0:39:53And I tell you one thing, if a black ever tries to touch my daughter,
0:39:53 > 0:39:59I don't care who's in charge of the government, or the police,
0:39:59 > 0:40:01I'll shoot the whole lot out.
0:41:01 > 0:41:05Fire. Little.
0:41:11 > 0:41:14So, he's going to be a gunmen yet?
0:41:14 > 0:41:19I think anybody likes to play with a gun, balance or something like that.
0:41:22 > 0:41:25He's just a natural boy.
0:41:25 > 0:41:29'A couple of hours later, Yanni shot Terre Blanche's daughter,
0:41:29 > 0:41:30'which went down less well.'
0:41:32 > 0:41:38WALTZ
0:41:44 > 0:41:49'It was the AWB annual dinner, being held at a golf club near Sun City.
0:41:49 > 0:41:51'There was trouble down on the Cape,
0:41:51 > 0:41:54'and JP had gone out alone to sort things out.
0:41:54 > 0:41:57'I asked to go too, but all I got from him was that he was
0:41:57 > 0:42:02'going to recruit commandos for the AWB rally on Paul Kruger Day.
0:42:04 > 0:42:06'The leader was there with his wife,
0:42:06 > 0:42:08'and General DeWitt, an ex-chief of police.
0:42:08 > 0:42:11'At the other end of the table was Anita,
0:42:11 > 0:42:13'and the leader's nine-year-old daughter.
0:42:16 > 0:42:18'They all love Bruce Springsteen.'
0:42:18 > 0:42:21# I'm just living in a dump like this
0:42:21 > 0:42:23# Something happening somewhere
0:42:23 > 0:42:26# Baby, I just know where it is
0:42:26 > 0:42:29# I can't start a fire
0:42:29 > 0:42:32# I can't start a fire with a broken heart
0:42:32 > 0:42:35# This gun's for hire
0:42:35 > 0:42:38# Even if we're just dancing in the dark
0:42:44 > 0:42:47# Even if we're just dancing in the dark
0:42:50 > 0:42:52# Hey, baby
0:42:56 > 0:42:59# Even if we're just dancing in the dark. #
0:43:10 > 0:43:13'A couple of days later.'
0:43:13 > 0:43:17- Oh, hi, JP, it's Nick. - 'How are you?'- I'm fine.
0:43:17 > 0:43:20I was just calling up to see if it might be possible
0:43:20 > 0:43:22to interview the leader today?
0:43:22 > 0:43:24'If you just hold on, I'll find out for you.'
0:43:33 > 0:43:36'Nick, 12.15.'
0:43:40 > 0:43:42'The leader interview saga continued.
0:43:42 > 0:43:46'I arrived ten minutes late for a 12.15 appointment
0:43:46 > 0:43:49'to discover the leader had left in anger.
0:43:49 > 0:43:52'I was told to come back again at 6.30pm.'
0:43:59 > 0:44:01Hi.
0:44:03 > 0:44:08- We came to try and do an interview. - For the leader?- Yeah.- He left.
0:44:09 > 0:44:14Oh, God. Let's just stop.
0:44:14 > 0:44:16Come inside.
0:44:19 > 0:44:21I'm glad it's not me
0:44:21 > 0:44:24- having an interview with Mr Terre Blanche tonight.- Why?
0:44:24 > 0:44:27You upset him terribly.
0:44:27 > 0:44:31We were there waiting half an hour from six to 6.30.
0:44:31 > 0:44:33And what about this afternoon?
0:44:33 > 0:44:37And this afternoon, we were there at 12.15, and at one o'clock.
0:44:37 > 0:44:39HE TALKS AFRIKAANS
0:44:39 > 0:44:42'JP and Anita ended up getting caught in the crossfire
0:44:42 > 0:44:44'between us and the leader.
0:44:44 > 0:44:48'A considerable amount of anger had been directed at JP that day.'
0:44:48 > 0:44:52I've had more shit than I could handle today.
0:44:52 > 0:44:55So I'm glad it's you having the interview, and not me.
0:44:55 > 0:44:57He said, OK, for my part,
0:44:57 > 0:45:01he's willing to see you at seven o'clock tonight.
0:45:02 > 0:45:06At the office. He'll be there. I'll take him there.
0:45:08 > 0:45:12I'll take you there, too, so as I see that you are all there together.
0:45:12 > 0:45:15- But I've had enough now. - Have you?- I really have.
0:45:15 > 0:45:19I think if he's not happy about being interviewed by someone,
0:45:19 > 0:45:22it's not going to be a happy occasion, he shouldn't do it.
0:45:22 > 0:45:25- Don't you want to do it?- I want to do it, but I want to do it...
0:45:25 > 0:45:28Well, then you better do it on his terms, friend.
0:45:30 > 0:45:34Mr Terre Blanche, I'm very sorry that we were ten minutes late.
0:45:34 > 0:45:37I'm not making a movie. I'm not making a film.
0:45:37 > 0:45:39I'm preparing my people for a fight.
0:45:41 > 0:45:44- Don't do it to me again. - Well, we won't...
0:45:44 > 0:45:48Yes, you won't, because you will have tonight what you're looking for,
0:45:48 > 0:45:49and then you'll go out.
0:45:49 > 0:45:53They'll move out. So, let's finish it.
0:45:55 > 0:45:57And stop it.
0:45:57 > 0:46:00Mr Terre Blanche, I'm very sorry that we were ten minutes late.
0:46:00 > 0:46:03Oh... (HE MUMBLES)
0:46:04 > 0:46:10Stop it. I'm not accepting your apologising. You were late.
0:46:10 > 0:46:15And I listened to that man, Mr Meyer, he said to you,
0:46:15 > 0:46:17"If you are late, no interview!"
0:46:19 > 0:46:21Yet you chose to be late.
0:46:23 > 0:46:25If I'm not so important that you are on time here,
0:46:25 > 0:46:28why the hell was it discussed with you, anything?
0:46:30 > 0:46:31Where were you?
0:46:32 > 0:46:37Where were you, the time when you should be arrived at my place?
0:46:37 > 0:46:39Where were you?
0:46:39 > 0:46:41Well, I think we were actually five minutes late...
0:46:41 > 0:46:44Yes, five minutes is enough, man.
0:46:44 > 0:46:47Where were you then at 12.15? Tell me!
0:46:48 > 0:46:50I heard him...
0:46:50 > 0:46:56At that stage, I was busy with a meeting, and I hear him say,
0:46:56 > 0:46:59"If you are late, stop it."
0:46:59 > 0:47:04So I ran from the City Hall to the office, and you were not here.
0:47:04 > 0:47:05I was on time, that you were late.
0:47:05 > 0:47:08Well, we were then told to come back at one, which we did.
0:47:08 > 0:47:11That is not the point, the point is you were late.
0:47:11 > 0:47:16Who are so important, that you people were late, tell me?
0:47:16 > 0:47:19Well, we then came back at six...
0:47:19 > 0:47:22- No, who were so important that you were late?- We were five minutes late.
0:47:22 > 0:47:26Who was so important that you were five minutes late? Tell me.
0:47:26 > 0:47:30Give me the name of the man, he must be a hell of an important man.
0:47:31 > 0:47:37- Who was it?- I think we were just actually, were we getting some tea?
0:47:37 > 0:47:43Well, that's good. Tea and dinner is better than a man.
0:47:43 > 0:47:46I thought you used up my time for somebody else.
0:47:51 > 0:47:54Well, all we can do is say that we are sorry,
0:47:54 > 0:47:56we waited a lot today to try and interview you...
0:47:56 > 0:47:59You can't do anything, my good friend.
0:47:59 > 0:48:02Nothing. I will always remember it.
0:48:04 > 0:48:06This is the heartland. This is Africa.
0:48:08 > 0:48:10And I am a Boer.
0:48:10 > 0:48:14And I will never accept that, because I will never do it to you.
0:48:18 > 0:48:21With my full programme, I will never, ever do it to you,
0:48:21 > 0:48:23but yet you did it to me.
0:48:25 > 0:48:26What do you want from me?
0:48:26 > 0:48:29Well, we wanted to ask you some questions about...
0:48:29 > 0:48:32Well, you can ask me questions. Yes.
0:48:32 > 0:48:37- What?- At what point did you decide that it was a war?
0:48:41 > 0:48:45When I, when I choose a time.
0:48:49 > 0:48:53When I choose a time, I will decide it will be war.
0:48:53 > 0:48:56Are you one of my generals?
0:48:56 > 0:48:58No, I'm just asking you when you decided it was a war?
0:48:58 > 0:49:02Yes, when I decide, it will be a war, I will choose a time.
0:49:02 > 0:49:06Are you one of the officers or one of the generals?
0:49:06 > 0:49:08So I will not tell you.
0:49:08 > 0:49:13But what I can tell you is we will never accept an ANC government
0:49:13 > 0:49:15over my people, OK?
0:49:16 > 0:49:21Then we will start the war, that day or that night.
0:49:22 > 0:49:28But it will be my choice. And as you are not an officer or general...
0:49:28 > 0:49:31I think maybe you misunderstood me, what I meant...
0:49:31 > 0:49:33No, I've not misunderstood you.
0:49:33 > 0:49:36What I meant was, at what time did you decide
0:49:36 > 0:49:37you might have to go to war?
0:49:37 > 0:49:42When I choose a time. I'm not misunderstanding you.
0:49:43 > 0:49:47I will decide when. And that is my choice.
0:49:48 > 0:49:50What I was meaning, at what point did you decide
0:49:50 > 0:49:52that AWB needed to be formed,
0:49:52 > 0:49:56in order to fight a war, if you needed to fight one?
0:49:56 > 0:50:04I answered your question already. That is my choice, my good friend.
0:50:07 > 0:50:10'JP said it was the worst interview he had ever witnessed.
0:50:10 > 0:50:14'I think he then expected us to go back to England,
0:50:14 > 0:50:16'but then instead, we went with him to Carletonville,
0:50:16 > 0:50:20'a large mining town just 50 miles away.'
0:50:20 > 0:50:24AFRICAN MUSIC
0:50:30 > 0:50:34- 'Good evening. - Welcome to the news at eight.
0:50:34 > 0:50:37'Detained Orde Boerevolk leader Piet Rudolph
0:50:37 > 0:50:39'has appealed to members and sympathisers
0:50:39 > 0:50:44'of the organisation to hand over illegal weapons to the police.
0:50:44 > 0:50:47'In a signed statement, he called on members of the Orde Boerevolk
0:50:47 > 0:50:50'to return all the illegal weapons, ammunition and explosives.
0:50:50 > 0:50:52'Mr Rudolph said he had ended his hunger strike.
0:50:52 > 0:50:57'In the statement he also said he was being treated very well.'
0:51:14 > 0:51:18'The AWB was shattered by the news that Piet Rudolf had ended
0:51:18 > 0:51:21'his hunger strike, and was calling on them to hand in their arms.
0:51:21 > 0:51:25'Terre Blanche recited one of his poems for the occasion.'
0:51:25 > 0:51:29RECITES IN AFRIKAANS
0:51:48 > 0:51:50'JP was terrified and disillusioned
0:51:50 > 0:51:53'by what his friend Piet Rudolph had reportedly done.
0:51:53 > 0:51:56'There were rumours that he given away the names
0:51:56 > 0:51:58'and addresses of his collaborators.
0:51:58 > 0:52:00'Rumours that the government now intended to round up
0:52:00 > 0:52:01'the white right.
0:52:01 > 0:52:05'Rumours that the AWB was infiltrated by the security police,
0:52:05 > 0:52:08'who were just waiting for the right time to strike.
0:52:12 > 0:52:15'JP was still making his Piet Rudolf speech,
0:52:15 > 0:52:19'still talking about him as the hero of the Boer nation.
0:52:19 > 0:52:22'JP didn't want to believe what he was hearing on TV,
0:52:22 > 0:52:24'he wanted to believe it was a government conspiracy
0:52:24 > 0:52:28'to destroy the right, and to corrupt the spirit of the volk.'
0:52:28 > 0:52:32SHOUTS IN AFRIKAANS
0:52:39 > 0:52:42APPLAUSE AND CHEERING
0:53:03 > 0:53:07- No, please, man. No.- Please, JP.
0:53:09 > 0:53:11- JP...- Yeah.
0:53:13 > 0:53:16Are you kidding us that you're through with AWB, or are you honest?
0:53:16 > 0:53:18I'm honest.
0:53:19 > 0:53:22Well, what made you decide to stop working for Mr Terre Blanche?
0:53:22 > 0:53:25Are you filming me?
0:53:29 > 0:53:34- Just be honest, JP.- Well, I just...
0:53:34 > 0:53:38- I just decided to call it a day.- Why?
0:53:38 > 0:53:40- I'm fed up. - What are you going to do instead?
0:53:40 > 0:53:42I'm going to work on the mines.
0:53:44 > 0:53:46Come and make yourself at home, I'm just fetching Anita.
0:53:59 > 0:54:03But what specifically made you decide to change?
0:54:03 > 0:54:06Don't, JP, please, come on. JP!
0:54:11 > 0:54:14HORSE NEIGHS
0:54:19 > 0:54:22'The leader, meantime, tends to his favourite horse,
0:54:22 > 0:54:25'called Bestorm, which in Afrikaans means, "to charge in battle".
0:54:25 > 0:54:29'He plans to ride Bestorm at the head of the AWB rally,
0:54:29 > 0:54:32'to be held on Paul Kruger's Day.
0:54:34 > 0:54:38'The next day, JP's friends from the AWB come round to try
0:54:38 > 0:54:40'to get him to change his mind.'
0:54:44 > 0:54:48So how are you going to try and persuade JP...
0:54:48 > 0:54:51Oh, we'll discuss this later. I don't know yet how.
0:54:53 > 0:54:58But if he thinks it's the best belief, I won't stand in his way.
0:54:58 > 0:55:01He's not going to leave the AWB.
0:55:01 > 0:55:05He's only going to leave his job.
0:55:05 > 0:55:09- So these are the ingredients for what?- For teargas.
0:55:12 > 0:55:15That's formalin and Condy's crystals.
0:55:17 > 0:55:21- And what do you do with it?- You mix it together, and you get teargas.
0:55:23 > 0:55:25- But beautiful teargas. - No, that's good teargas.
0:55:25 > 0:55:27And do you have a lot of uses for it?
0:55:27 > 0:55:29Only to break up NP meetings.
0:55:30 > 0:55:32That's all we use it for!
0:55:32 > 0:55:33LAUGHTER
0:55:33 > 0:55:37That's apart from the genuine teargas that we steal from the Army.
0:55:38 > 0:55:40Hey!
0:55:40 > 0:55:43- And the police.- You're piss.
0:55:45 > 0:55:49Danny, would you like to catch a shot of this?
0:55:49 > 0:55:51HE SPEAKS AFRIKAANS
0:55:57 > 0:56:00That's teargas.
0:56:21 > 0:56:23- Go, JP.- Bye-bye.
0:56:23 > 0:56:26'JP promised that when his friends left,
0:56:26 > 0:56:29'he would explain why he resigned, and what he intends to do.
0:56:29 > 0:56:31'I still can't tell whether he's going to reveal
0:56:31 > 0:56:33'something quite extraordinary,
0:56:33 > 0:56:36'or if he's just enjoying the attention of the camera.
0:56:36 > 0:56:39'We've been talking to Johann about getting JP a new job
0:56:39 > 0:56:41'and a house away from Terre Blanche.
0:56:41 > 0:56:44'And I'm hoping, with enough pushing,
0:56:44 > 0:56:46'we are about to watch the transformation
0:56:46 > 0:56:49'of a white supremacist into a new South African.'
0:56:50 > 0:56:54No, I think you're giving us a kind of party line at the moment.
0:56:54 > 0:56:57And that you were going through a real dilemma.
0:56:57 > 0:56:59And that you felt very disillusioned,
0:56:59 > 0:57:02both with the leader and with Piet Rudolph.
0:57:02 > 0:57:04But I don't think you're prepared to talk about that openly.
0:57:08 > 0:57:10Look... (HE CLEARS HIS THROAT)
0:57:10 > 0:57:13Yesterday, and the day before yesterday, I promised you
0:57:13 > 0:57:18that today you could speak to me, and you could ask me anything,
0:57:18 > 0:57:21and as far as possible, I'd be honest with you.
0:57:22 > 0:57:26When you caught me yesterday and the day before yesterday,
0:57:26 > 0:57:28I was really at my weakest.
0:57:28 > 0:57:31That's why I didn't want to speak to you.
0:57:31 > 0:57:34That's why I made a promise to speak to you today.
0:57:34 > 0:57:40So, I can't say I think you really, you shouldn't blame me
0:57:40 > 0:57:43- for being dishonest with you. - No, I'm not blaming you,
0:57:43 > 0:57:47I understand what you're really thinking.
0:57:47 > 0:57:51You see, any person that goes through this type of thing needs
0:57:51 > 0:57:56a few hours with himself to sort out his thoughts,
0:57:56 > 0:57:58and I've had the time...
0:57:59 > 0:58:04..and as I'm sitting here at the moment, I'm really honest with you.
0:58:04 > 0:58:08The things I tell you here, I'm honest, I can promise you that.
0:58:08 > 0:58:11That's why I didn't want you to film me yesterday.
0:58:11 > 0:58:15- So, what are your feelings about? - My feelings at the moment,
0:58:15 > 0:58:19I've decided to resign, and I'm not sorry about that.
0:58:19 > 0:58:21I've resigned from the AWB.
0:58:21 > 0:58:23I'm not in their employ any more,
0:58:23 > 0:58:26but that doesn't stop me from being a member of the AWB
0:58:26 > 0:58:28as an organisation,
0:58:28 > 0:58:32and I'll still do my part in the revolution that's coming.
0:58:32 > 0:58:36And if all these things they say about Piet Rudolph is true,
0:58:36 > 0:58:40then we need somebody to take his place.
0:58:42 > 0:58:47And if we couldn't find anybody like that, I'm willing to take his place.
0:58:49 > 0:58:53I don't think of myself as great a man as Piet Rudolph,
0:58:53 > 0:58:55I'm not saying that.
0:58:56 > 0:59:00But at least we need somebody to do the job,
0:59:00 > 0:59:02and if it has to fall on me, I'll have to do it.
0:59:04 > 0:59:07- I'm honest with you now.- What kind of things are you prepared...?
0:59:07 > 0:59:10Anything that Piet has done up to this moment.
0:59:10 > 0:59:13And anything that might pop up in future,
0:59:13 > 0:59:15I don't know what will happen.
0:59:16 > 0:59:20Like what? Just mention what.
0:59:20 > 0:59:23One thing I'm quite sure of, I'd pick my targets better.
0:59:25 > 0:59:27What kind of targets would you go for?
0:59:29 > 0:59:34Up to this stage, or up to the stage that Piet Rudolph was arrested,
0:59:34 > 0:59:39the Boerevolk hasn't really decided yet to kill people.
0:59:41 > 0:59:44And I'm not at this moment saying that I might kill people,
0:59:44 > 0:59:49but it might just get to that point where we'll have to do that.
0:59:49 > 0:59:52What kinds of people would be killed?
0:59:52 > 0:59:54Well, the enemies of our volk.
0:59:54 > 0:59:56The people that are at the moment they're very busy
0:59:56 > 0:59:58- selling out our people.- Like who?
1:00:00 > 1:00:02Well, I can't at the moment think of any names,
1:00:02 > 1:00:05but if you want to mention names, maybe people like Vlok, and FW
1:00:05 > 1:00:10and Mandela, all the enemies of our volk.
1:00:10 > 1:00:12And even people from outside our country
1:00:12 > 1:00:16that want to poke their long noses into our affairs.
1:00:18 > 1:00:21I'm not sure, I haven't got any targets,
1:00:21 > 1:00:25but I feel the climate is beginning to be ripe
1:00:25 > 1:00:28for human life to be taken.
1:00:39 > 1:00:44- Hey. Put it down.- Switch off. - Switch off.
1:00:44 > 1:00:46All right, see you!
1:00:46 > 1:00:48'For once, the leader was playing and joking around with us.
1:00:48 > 1:00:51'He had managed to persuade JP, despite his resolution,
1:00:51 > 1:00:55'to play the drums at the enormous AWB rally on Paul Kruger Day.
1:00:55 > 1:00:59'The leader was hoping 5,000 people would attend
1:00:59 > 1:01:03'and he saw it as a message to the world of his strength and support.
1:01:07 > 1:01:11'The leader is in the truck, closely tailed by a security vehicle.
1:01:11 > 1:01:16'He is carrying his saddle as he plans to ride into the stadium on his favourite horse.
1:01:16 > 1:01:18'And in a press statement, he also said
1:01:18 > 1:01:22'he would sleep with his horse in the stables the night before.
1:01:22 > 1:01:24'We have agreed to carry JP's drums
1:01:24 > 1:01:27'and I'm determined to get the shot that has been refused me
1:01:27 > 1:01:31'throughout the film, the leader in a vehicle travelling to one of his meetings.'
1:02:14 > 1:02:17Left, left, left, left.
1:02:20 > 1:02:23MUSIC: Radetzky March
1:02:36 > 1:02:40- Hi, JP.- Good morning.- How are you? - Fine, thank you. Yourself?
1:02:40 > 1:02:42Had a nice rest?
1:02:48 > 1:02:52THEY SPEAK AFRIKAANS
1:02:52 > 1:02:54Ja.
1:02:54 > 1:02:56What is he saying?
1:02:56 > 1:02:59He wants to show the State President that they would like
1:02:59 > 1:03:01their schools to be white.
1:03:04 > 1:03:06SHE SPEAKS AFRIKAANS
1:03:09 > 1:03:12Ja, he will eat the black when he comes to his school.
1:03:12 > 1:03:15- Is that what he said?- Ja. - What did the girls say?
1:03:17 > 1:03:20CHANTING
1:03:22 > 1:03:23Stop it now.
1:03:26 > 1:03:30'The 5,000 that the leader had expected didn't show up
1:03:30 > 1:03:31'and I heard he was furious.
1:03:33 > 1:03:36'I gathered also that his night with his horse in the stables
1:03:36 > 1:03:39'hadn't been a great success and part-way through
1:03:39 > 1:03:42'he had retreated to the Holiday Inn for more comfortable accommodation.
1:03:46 > 1:03:49'To make matters worse, we had shown up late with JP's drum kit
1:03:49 > 1:03:53'and the leader blamed us personally for delaying the parade.
1:03:53 > 1:03:57'In a particularly animated argument with my assistant Rita,
1:03:57 > 1:04:00'he had actually accused us of trying to sabotage the day.'
1:04:02 > 1:04:06- Excuse me, Mr Terre Blanche.- Yes. - I am sorry about the mix-up.
1:04:06 > 1:04:07Listen, my good friend.
1:04:07 > 1:04:10This is the last time that one of your people, I don't mind
1:04:10 > 1:04:14whether it is a woman or not, be cheeky with me, you understand?
1:04:14 > 1:04:17This is my country, this is my place, this is my day here.
1:04:18 > 1:04:21And last night I said I don't want you people any more here.
1:04:21 > 1:04:23This morning you have to speak to me.
1:04:23 > 1:04:25And the first thing you do is take photos.
1:04:25 > 1:04:27Before you even ask me if you are welcome or not.
1:04:27 > 1:04:30I thought this was a parade...
1:04:30 > 1:04:33If you, if you people interfere today again like you did yesterday,
1:04:33 > 1:04:37then you... I will put you out, you understand me?
1:04:39 > 1:04:42Yesterday, when we came from Ventersdorp,
1:04:42 > 1:04:45you even interfered with security.
1:04:45 > 1:04:48You passed my car two times and blocked the traffic
1:04:48 > 1:04:52so that the head of security cannot even see me.
1:04:52 > 1:04:54And you're just taking over. Who the hell do you think are?
1:04:54 > 1:04:56We were just trying to get a passing shot...
1:04:56 > 1:05:00Listen, I am not working for your bloody company, OK?
1:05:00 > 1:05:03So you do the things which I like, not what you people like.
1:05:03 > 1:05:05Can you understand me, lady?
1:05:07 > 1:05:09You even interfered with security.
1:05:09 > 1:05:12My wife and my child was in that bloody car.
1:05:14 > 1:05:16So what do you ask now?
1:05:16 > 1:05:19- Well, we just want to take the parade, that was all.- Yes, but...
1:05:20 > 1:05:24These... See that you are not in the way of the parade itself.
1:05:24 > 1:05:29- You can take some photos. Go on. But don't interfere. Please.- OK.
1:05:29 > 1:05:33And this man, I said in Ventersdorp,
1:05:33 > 1:05:36I tell you people when you can take shots from us.
1:05:36 > 1:05:39But he's like a bloody monkey.
1:05:39 > 1:05:43- He's hanging on that camera like a monkey in a bloody tree. - He is a monkey.
1:05:43 > 1:05:46You are a monkey. He definitely is.
1:05:46 > 1:05:49- Hey, monkey, put off that thing.- OK.
1:05:49 > 1:05:53Now you have got something to take to England.
1:05:53 > 1:05:56A good argument with me. That is exactly what you wanted.
1:05:56 > 1:05:59No, what we wanted to do was just to film the parade,
1:05:59 > 1:06:01we wanted to film a passing shot yesterday.
1:06:01 > 1:06:04Yesterday? I explained to the lady yesterday.
1:06:10 > 1:06:14- OK.- All right, Jim.- Follow me.
1:06:20 > 1:06:22SHOUTING AND COMMOTION
1:06:23 > 1:06:25DRUMMING
1:06:30 > 1:06:32APPLAUSE
1:06:55 > 1:06:59- JP.- Yes.- How are you doing? - Fine, thank you. Just tired.
1:06:59 > 1:07:01So how's the leader today?
1:07:03 > 1:07:06- Well, I saw him shutting you out. - Why's that?
1:07:06 > 1:07:08Apparently, he just doesn't like your face today.
1:07:18 > 1:07:21I just quickly see if I can find my wife.
1:07:21 > 1:07:25Because we've only got ten minutes and I've got to be back again.
1:07:25 > 1:07:29'A couple of months later, JP opened a small electrical store.
1:07:29 > 1:07:33'The leader's attempts at driving himself proved to be disastrous
1:07:33 > 1:07:37'when he and the 777 BMW plunged drunkenly into a river.
1:07:37 > 1:07:42'A large number of his supporters left the AWB following the incident.'
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