The Big EU Reality Check

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:00:00. > :00:13.Days from now the UK will decide whether to remain in or leave the

:00:14. > :00:19.EU. Both sides have been slugging it out on the campaign trail. Many

:00:20. > :00:23.voters complain that when it comes to understanding the issues, they're

:00:24. > :00:27.confused by what they're being told. There's a lot of ifs going on.

:00:28. > :00:33.Bickering back-and-forth. A lot of confusion. It's too much for people

:00:34. > :00:36.to take in. Nobody has the answers. I'm very conscious of being sold

:00:37. > :00:42.fairy dust. People want leadership. People want vision. This programme

:00:43. > :00:48.makes you a promise - you won't be hearing from any politicians. I

:00:49. > :00:53.don't expect too much of politicians. It's completely made

:00:54. > :00:58.up. They drive me up the wall.. Ledged facts that are bandied about.

:00:59. > :01:01.We don't know the true facts. We only know what they want us to know.

:01:02. > :01:07.You will hear from people across the UK, voters from both sides of the

:01:08. > :01:12.debate. We don't know what's going to happen if we leave. We can

:01:13. > :01:16.survive perfectly well outside the EU. I will try to cut through the

:01:17. > :01:20.confusion and provide some of the answers. I will challenge claims

:01:21. > :01:24.made by both sides on the biggest issues - the economy, immigration,

:01:25. > :01:29.and sovereignty and I'll provide you with the facts, telling you what are

:01:30. > :01:34.not facts and also what judgments only you can make. Then we'll see if

:01:35. > :01:38.that makes any difference to what our voters think. I absolutely

:01:39. > :01:41.believe that we should have our sovereignty back. There will be jobs

:01:42. > :01:51.lost because of leaving. I don't know. It's not going to move me.

:01:52. > :01:55.Will we be richer or poorer? That's the question many will ask before

:01:56. > :02:01.voting on Thursday. Shall we stay in the world's largest economic club or

:02:02. > :02:04.break free from a continent that's stagnating and a bureaucracy that's

:02:05. > :02:14.holding us back? Let's examine some of the rival claims. Count the

:02:15. > :02:18.number of cranes, that's one way of telling how well an economy is

:02:19. > :02:21.doing. In recent years ours has been doing pretty well. The key argument

:02:22. > :02:27.of those would want us to remain in the EU is that leaving will take us

:02:28. > :02:31.on a journey which will leave us all poorer. Their most eye catching and

:02:32. > :02:43.controversial claim is that every family in Britain would be ?4,300 a

:02:44. > :02:49.year worse off by 2030. The claim that families would be worse off if

:02:50. > :02:57.we left the EU is not a fact. It is based on an economic forecast by

:02:58. > :03:03.treasurery officials. It's spun in a way to look as bad as possible and

:03:04. > :03:08.in a way that a committee of all parties said was likely to confuse

:03:09. > :03:11.voters. What is a fact is that economic forecasters are pretty much

:03:12. > :03:16.agreed that leaving the EU will make us all worse off. People might say

:03:17. > :03:20.you economic forecasters have often got things wrong in the past and you

:03:21. > :03:25.may well be wrong again You've just got everyone saying this. There is

:03:26. > :03:28.virtually no disagreement in the economics profession about this. In

:03:29. > :03:32.the short run, uncertainty would grow, less foreign direct investment

:03:33. > :03:36.would come in, the pound would go down, people consumes less, the

:03:37. > :03:40.economy would suffer. Few doubt there will be a short-term hit to

:03:41. > :03:44.our economy if we leave. But those would want us to get out argue that

:03:45. > :03:48.Europe's stuck in the past, that Britain can benefit if we break free

:03:49. > :03:53.and do more business with the rest of the world. So says the man who

:03:54. > :03:57.used to head up the country's biggest organisation. I don't

:03:58. > :04:03.actually believe that leaving the EU will be a serious economic blow.

:04:04. > :04:10.Britain owned the 19th century, America owned the 20th, Asia owns

:04:11. > :04:13.the 21 st. You have a Brussels marching towards 1970. We need to

:04:14. > :04:20.keep being globally competitive so that we can afford quality pensions,

:04:21. > :04:25.quality health care and welfare for our grandchildren. To do that we

:04:26. > :04:29.need to make decisions which make us competitive. Brussels isn't doing

:04:30. > :04:32.it. The just you need to make is this: Are all those forecasters

:04:33. > :04:36.wrong? Are they being too pessimistic about what the fifth

:04:37. > :04:39.largest economy in the world could achieve on its own? After all, they

:04:40. > :04:45.didn't see the banking crisis coming, did they? Or do you conclude

:04:46. > :04:50.if so many experts agree on the same thing, that Britain would be poorer

:04:51. > :05:01.if we left, it is just possible they could be right. The EU is the

:05:02. > :05:06.world's biggest free market area. As a member, we in Britain can sell our

:05:07. > :05:11.goods and services to more than 500 million people in what's called the

:05:12. > :05:15.sing the market, comprised of 28 countries, without having to pay

:05:16. > :05:20.tariffs or taxes at national borders. The Remain camp say three

:05:21. > :05:23.million British jobs are linked to being inside that single market.

:05:24. > :05:30.Jobs, they say, which would be at risk if we had to negotiate a new

:05:31. > :05:35.trade deal because we'd quit. The fact is no-one really believes that

:05:36. > :05:39.we'll lose three million jobs if we leave the EU. After all, say the

:05:40. > :05:43.leavers, the French will still want to sell us their cheese, the Germans

:05:44. > :05:47.will still want to sell us cars. Reaching a new deal with the EU over

:05:48. > :05:51.trade could be tricky. It took the Canadians seven years to negotiate

:05:52. > :05:55.one. What's more, the things that Britain really makes money from,

:05:56. > :06:00.services, like insurance and marketing and banking, they could be

:06:01. > :06:04.the hardest things to get agreement over. There is no trade agreement

:06:05. > :06:07.between any other country and the European Union which gives any

:06:08. > :06:12.country anything like the access that you get being inside. We'll get

:06:13. > :06:15.a deal, at some point, but it won't be as good as the deal we have at

:06:16. > :06:19.the moment. That will make that trade more expensive. The trade

:06:20. > :06:24.prospects of the United Kingdom outside the EU will be very much the

:06:25. > :06:29.same as they are inside the EU. I don't see a change, simply because

:06:30. > :06:33.it's in no-one's interested in a globalised economy to do otherwise.

:06:34. > :06:39.The judgment you've got to make is this: If we leave the EU, if we walk

:06:40. > :06:43.out of the single market, is it bound to be harder for us to trade

:06:44. > :06:48.our goods and services? Are we bound to lose jobs? Or is that view simply

:06:49. > :06:54.too pessimistic? Whatever the deal we get with the EU in future, could

:06:55. > :06:55.we be freer to get new deals with the growing economies, like China

:06:56. > :07:08.and India? Hold on, there's something else to

:07:09. > :07:13.consider - don't we pay an awful lot of money to be members of this

:07:14. > :07:19.European club? The claim from the vote Leave campaign is that we send

:07:20. > :07:25.to Brussels ?350 million each and every week. There's only one problem

:07:26. > :07:29.with the claim - it's not true. Britain doesn't send ?350 million a

:07:30. > :07:34.week to Brussels. Mrs Thatcher got us a rebate. So that takes the

:07:35. > :07:39.figure down to 276 million a week. And it doesn't end there. If you

:07:40. > :07:45.then take off all the money that we get given back from Brussels, the

:07:46. > :07:54.figure goes down again to ?161 million. The amount we stoned

:07:55. > :07:58.Brussels each week may be a lot less than vote Leave sometimes want to

:07:59. > :08:02.claim, but it's still a lot of money, adding up to ?8 billion a

:08:03. > :08:06.year. Of course, if all those forecasters are right, any savings

:08:07. > :08:09.you make by leaving the EU could be instantly wiped out simply because

:08:10. > :08:14.the economy gets smaller. That is the judgment you need to make in the

:08:15. > :08:20.end. Is it a membership fee for a club that makes us all richer or is

:08:21. > :08:28.it money that is simply going down the drain? Having watched our

:08:29. > :08:33.reality check on all those claims about the economy, what do our

:08:34. > :08:37.voters think now? We're still paying a lot to be in the membership club,

:08:38. > :08:42.it's a club membership. We don't need to be in that membership. We've

:08:43. > :08:46.got a lot going that we don't need to be using an outsider to make

:08:47. > :08:51.decisions. I know the Leave people say if we don't spend all this money

:08:52. > :08:56.on Europe, we can fix the NHS. I just don't believe them for a

:08:57. > :08:59.second. All those economic forecasters can't be wrong. It's

:09:00. > :09:03.very unlikely that many people are going to be wrong. It's clear that

:09:04. > :09:07.the economic community is united on this issue, that it will put a hit

:09:08. > :09:12.to the economy and to households and families. It seems like the economy

:09:13. > :09:20.will be hit more than I thought, if we leave. But I'm... You know, it

:09:21. > :09:26.wasn't definite facts, was it? It was maybes. Leaving a bigger

:09:27. > :09:31.economy, a bigger market where we can sell goods and services to, I

:09:32. > :09:35.think, it's - immediately we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

:09:36. > :09:41.Maybe we will lose jobs, but hell, I think the risk is worth it, if it

:09:42. > :09:45.gives us our rights, our land and prospects back, which is probably

:09:46. > :09:50.what will happen if we leave. It's a dreadful risk, I think to leave the

:09:51. > :09:54.EU when there are so many uncertainties. But especially when

:09:55. > :10:00.the uncertainties seem to point in the direction of our economy being

:10:01. > :10:05.damaged. No company in Germany, France, Belgium, Holland are going

:10:06. > :10:10.to pull the rug under companies in England, who are buying goods off

:10:11. > :10:15.each other. It doesn't, like every other argument, it just doesn't make

:10:16. > :10:19.sense. Immigration is the other big issue

:10:20. > :10:23.dominating this campaign. One side tells us we've got to leave to bring

:10:24. > :10:27.it under control. The other claims that the country can cope and

:10:28. > :10:34.besides, quitting is too high a price to pay. So let's try and sift

:10:35. > :10:43.out the facts from the claims and counterclaims. London is sometimes

:10:44. > :10:47.called the capital of the world, a city where you can even get a

:10:48. > :10:54.Turkish shave. Watch out say the Leave campaign, many more Turks are

:10:55. > :11:00.coming. The vote Leave campaign poster couldn't be clearer, Turkey

:11:01. > :11:04.is joining the EU it says. The implication - totally clear -

:11:05. > :11:09.millions of Turks are coming here and soon. That, say those who

:11:10. > :11:16.campaign to limit the numbers coming here, is a prospect well worth

:11:17. > :11:20.getting in a lather about. The UK has been championing Turkey's

:11:21. > :11:25.membership for many years. We're now told that the whole process is going

:11:26. > :11:31.to be re-energised. That is a judgment, not a fact. On the basis

:11:32. > :11:40.of what has been said and done, Turkey will become a member of the

:11:41. > :11:44.European Union at some point. There's a problem with this claim,

:11:45. > :11:49.Turkey is not joining the EU. It might do one day providing, that is,

:11:50. > :11:54.that Britain and indeed the 27 other members of the EU don't veto it. The

:11:55. > :11:58.Prime Minister says Turkey won't be joining for decades, but he isn't

:11:59. > :12:04.promising to veto them. You have to decide if you think Turkey will be

:12:05. > :12:07.blocked or if one day, like the Poles, they'll join up and their

:12:08. > :12:19.people will come here in large numbers.

:12:20. > :12:27.Those who want us to vote Remain insist the NHS can cope even if more

:12:28. > :12:31.and more people come here from within the EU. They quote the head

:12:32. > :12:35.of the NHS in England, who recently said that what really mattered was

:12:36. > :12:38.not the level of immigration, what mattered to him trying to run the

:12:39. > :12:43.Health Service was how rich the country was. When the NHS was set up

:12:44. > :12:50.in 1948, we had a population of 50 million in this country. We're at

:12:51. > :12:54.what, 65 million now, so the NHS has successfully coped with a 15 million

:12:55. > :12:57.expansion in our population, provided it is properly resourced

:12:58. > :13:02.from the proceeds of economic growth it can do that. Hold on, our

:13:03. > :13:06.population is growing at a much faster rate than for decades. The

:13:07. > :13:13.official forecasts suggest there'll be another four million of us in

:13:14. > :13:16.just ten years' time. The Health Service cannot cope in the future,

:13:17. > :13:21.you know why? Because it can't cope now. That's what we're hearing all

:13:22. > :13:25.the time. The Health Service is under huge pressure, requires more

:13:26. > :13:28.resources. Just imagine how much more by way of resources it's going

:13:29. > :13:33.to require with our population increasing at the rate that it is.

:13:34. > :13:37.Of course, immigrants aren't just people who use the NHS. They help

:13:38. > :13:44.pay for it out of their taxes and they work in it too. Here's a fact:

:13:45. > :13:51.One in every 11 hospital doctors came from the EU, so do one in 17

:13:52. > :13:56.nurses and care workers. It's true that in theory the NHS can cope with

:13:57. > :14:00.a big influx of people, provided it gets more staff and more money, of

:14:01. > :14:04.course. But equally, that doesn't mean that immigration doesn't put a

:14:05. > :14:07.strain on the Health Service and a particular strain in areas where

:14:08. > :14:23.there's a rapid inflow of people. Go for a coffee in many cities, it

:14:24. > :14:28.is a fair bet you will be served by an immigrant. This cafe is run by

:14:29. > :14:34.French people, amongst the 2 million EU citizens currently working in

:14:35. > :14:38.Britain. Both sides in this referendum insist that they are

:14:39. > :14:42.committed to cutting immigration, to get net migration down below the

:14:43. > :14:48.Government target of 100,000 per year. Though the leave campaign

:14:49. > :14:57.claim this will be much easier to achieve if we are outside the EU.

:14:58. > :15:02.The fact is that even if we leave the EU, even if we could switch off

:15:03. > :15:06.immigration from there just like that, the Government would be

:15:07. > :15:11.nowhere near meeting its net migration target. Why? Because the

:15:12. > :15:16.latest figures show there are even more people coming here from outside

:15:17. > :15:23.Europe than inside Europe. Indeed, just on their own, they are almost

:15:24. > :15:26.double that target. Most big British employers say they rely on

:15:27. > :15:29.immigrants. If they couldn't get them from Europe, they would want to

:15:30. > :15:39.get them from other parts of the world. There are not enough British

:15:40. > :15:45.workers to fulfil the needs of business and business needs global

:15:46. > :15:50.skills and experience, and they need migrants to help them grow their

:15:51. > :15:57.companies. In simple terms, are you saying that if we don't employ the

:15:58. > :16:01.Romanians or Spaniards, we will still end up needing someone to man

:16:02. > :16:10.the care homes and hospitals and drives the bosses? Yes. Both sides

:16:11. > :16:15.in this referendum are telling you what they think you want to hear,

:16:16. > :16:19.that they can get migration down to that government target figure, but

:16:20. > :16:23.neither are spelling out how they do it, given that businesses insist

:16:24. > :16:27.they do need immigrants, whether from Europe or outside, to do the

:16:28. > :16:33.sort of job British people don't want to do or are not qualified to

:16:34. > :16:37.do. It is a fact that leaving the EU would get migration under control

:16:38. > :16:46.easier, but there is a judgment that you have to make as to whether

:16:47. > :16:50.politicians would actually do it, and if they did whether the country

:16:51. > :16:57.would pay a price. Let's see what voters think about immigration now.

:16:58. > :17:03.I believe the NHS can't cope. I work as a nurse, I see it all the time,

:17:04. > :17:11.and I work with many Europeans from Spain, Spanish nurses, Italians and

:17:12. > :17:16.Romanians, and they are brilliant. I work for the NHS and I know it

:17:17. > :17:22.cannot cope, I know first-hand. I don't need a video, I don't need a

:17:23. > :17:28.research, I know first-hand. It is just too much on the NHS. I think it

:17:29. > :17:33.is incredibly powerful that each European member state has a veto,

:17:34. > :17:38.and this applies to Turkey joining. OK, at a late stage in the process

:17:39. > :17:42.it might cause diplomatic ripples but we have that safeguard. We would

:17:43. > :17:48.be able to control immigration a lot easier if we leave the EU. If you

:17:49. > :17:55.join the EU, you have to agree to the free movement of people. By

:17:56. > :17:59.leaving, it is obvious, isn't it? I don't see immigration being a

:18:00. > :18:04.problem. I don't think the EU and the way they are suggesting we deal

:18:05. > :18:11.with immigration is impacting on us as a country. The last part of this

:18:12. > :18:18.video has now shown that by leaving, we will have... There will be a

:18:19. > :18:24.negative impact on our economy, but there will also be a negative impact

:18:25. > :18:29.on our social structure as well. That is where I was weighing up in

:18:30. > :18:35.that video, the sort of different dimensions, the different angles to

:18:36. > :18:39.that argument. Perhaps if we do leave, those benefit that I were

:18:40. > :18:45.thinking may be there may not be there. We need migrant workers to

:18:46. > :18:49.fill the skills gap because British people might not have the skills to

:18:50. > :18:55.do those jobs. The last time I checked there was a huge amount of

:18:56. > :18:58.unemployed people. Try telling that to the unemployed people in the

:18:59. > :19:04.north-east and they will tell you that is a joke.

:19:05. > :19:10.Let's turn now to sovereignty, who really runs Britain. Does being in

:19:11. > :19:16.the EU club mean our lives are run by, our laws are made in Brussels?

:19:17. > :19:18.You have heard the claims and counterclaims, time now for some

:19:19. > :19:36.facts. Those who want us to leave the EU,

:19:37. > :19:42.say there is a not so hidden agenda to create a United States of Europe,

:19:43. > :19:47.a kind of country with its own flag and passport, its own currency, with

:19:48. > :19:52.plans for common tax spending policies, and one day, who knows, a

:19:53. > :19:56.European army as well. And that has got some of our former military top

:19:57. > :20:03.brass demanding we put our foot down. For me, sovereignty is about

:20:04. > :20:08.being directly accountable to the will of the people in this nation,

:20:09. > :20:11.and I think we will have more democracy, more sovereignty by not

:20:12. > :20:20.allowing ourselves to be pulled further into the European system.

:20:21. > :20:25.But you don't simply get it back by leaving the EU. I don't think you

:20:26. > :20:30.ever become completely sovereign, it is not about pulling up drawbridges

:20:31. > :20:35.and pretending we have full control. We will never have full control. It

:20:36. > :20:40.is true plans are being drawn up for the EU to have greater power over

:20:41. > :20:44.tax and spending to try to prevent another eurozone crisis, and to deal

:20:45. > :20:49.with the migration crisis, but Britain might not have to be part of

:20:50. > :20:54.any of them. We are of course not part of the single currency, we are

:20:55. > :21:00.also not part of the Schengen borderless area, and we have a

:21:01. > :21:04.national veto over any decisions about foreign and defence policy. So

:21:05. > :21:06.you have to decide whether we can get off pretty much whenever we

:21:07. > :21:20.want, wherever the EU is going. What really bugs some people about

:21:21. > :21:27.the EU is the idea Brussels bureaucrats can tell us what to do.

:21:28. > :21:32.It is regulated EU man waking from his regulated slumber... This film

:21:33. > :21:40.jokes about how many rules we face from the minute we wake up. There

:21:41. > :21:46.are 1246 laws relating to bread but just 52 covering the crazy anarchic

:21:47. > :21:54.toaster. 625 laws covering coffee, they say, and 210 covering spoons.

:21:55. > :22:00.What's more, apparently more than 12,000 covering milk. Those who want

:22:01. > :22:04.us to leave the EU, claim more than half of our laws come from Brussels.

:22:05. > :22:10.The truth depends on what you call a law. Do you include every rule and

:22:11. > :22:15.regulation? If not, experts say the number is a lot lower, it could be

:22:16. > :22:20.around one in eight. The numbers aren't helping a lot though, are

:22:21. > :22:25.they? The man who used to be Britain's top civil servant says how

:22:26. > :22:29.much power Brussels has depends on which laws you are talking about. In

:22:30. > :22:33.some areas, for example making sure goods can be sold across all

:22:34. > :22:37.countries, yes we need a level playing field and in those areas

:22:38. > :22:44.laws to do that become virtually entirely from the European Union. In

:22:45. > :22:48.other areas like crying, defence, education, virtually nothing comes

:22:49. > :22:54.from Europe. But is it right we have to have hundreds of regulations

:22:55. > :22:58.about milk? I think we would all agree we like to ensure the milk we

:22:59. > :23:03.drink is safe, therefore we need a certain number of regulations on

:23:04. > :23:06.that. There is safety, environmental concerns, and it is important in an

:23:07. > :23:12.area where everyone is competing in this world that we are all operating

:23:13. > :23:17.by the same set of rules. What businesses may see as irritating red

:23:18. > :23:23.tape, others may see as vital protection of health and safety or

:23:24. > :23:28.even workers' right. If we did leave, we wouldn't be able to leave

:23:29. > :23:32.EU laws completely behind. Companies that wanted to trade with our EU

:23:33. > :23:36.neighbours would still have to comply with all of the rules that

:23:37. > :23:41.Brussels comes up with, though crucially those that didn't would no

:23:42. > :23:45.longer have too. You have to decide whether it is the rule is that

:23:46. > :23:47.really annoy you or the fact that you cannot vote out some of the

:23:48. > :23:59.people who make them. That is what matters, say levers,

:24:00. > :24:05.who makes and enforces our laws. People here or people somewhere

:24:06. > :24:10.else. That is the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, but people who

:24:11. > :24:15.want to leave the EU say the problem it is not really supreme, it can be

:24:16. > :24:19.told what to do by the European Court in Luxembourg. Parliament can

:24:20. > :24:24.be told what to do, we can be told what to do, and not just about the

:24:25. > :24:28.sort of rules that govern toasters or the trade in bananas, but about

:24:29. > :24:36.really important things like our own national security. Remember Abu

:24:37. > :24:39.Hamza who was convicted of terrorism? His Moroccan

:24:40. > :24:44.daughter-in-law was jailed here for trying to smuggle a SIM card to him

:24:45. > :24:49.in prison. When Britain tried to deport her, the European Court of

:24:50. > :24:53.Justice became involved. The Leave campaign complained the court could

:24:54. > :24:58.but in deporting her because she has a son who was a British citizen.

:24:59. > :25:02.That's true, but it is also true that in this case the British courts

:25:03. > :25:09.get the final say. She can be deported if they decide she is a

:25:10. > :25:12.threat to national security. So here is where you have to make a

:25:13. > :25:15.judgment. If you hate the idea of the European Court having any say on

:25:16. > :25:20.this at all, you might think you have got to vote to leave, but if

:25:21. > :25:23.you think all sorts of courts make all sorts of judgments, some you

:25:24. > :25:32.like and some you hate, you might think you can afford to remain.

:25:33. > :25:37.With those sovereignty claims checked for reality, what do our

:25:38. > :25:41.voters think now? I would be concerned if we were going to be

:25:42. > :25:46.dragged along the road of deeper and deeper integration, and it was

:25:47. > :25:54.really interesting to see in the film that we do in fact have a veto.

:25:55. > :25:59.My vote stands for being in Britain, the United Kingdom as an independent

:26:00. > :26:04.country, making its own laws and ruling its own people in the way

:26:05. > :26:10.that we want. Not what foreign powers want. Red tape made in

:26:11. > :26:21.Britain, at least we are running our own affairs. It is a -- are fair. We

:26:22. > :26:26.can sort things out here in Britain. People just have an aversion to

:26:27. > :26:31.regulation in general. What is wrong with rules? We live by them every

:26:32. > :26:35.day of our lives, and for me that is a sign of a progressive society, to

:26:36. > :26:39.be able to say this is the way we want to live. These are the rules we

:26:40. > :26:44.have to follow for the good of everyone. I wasn't aware we can

:26:45. > :26:51.ultimately overrule European law, if it is a national terror threat, but

:26:52. > :26:55.aside from that, I think that our own legal system is quite capable of

:26:56. > :27:01.observing laws that it thinks make sense from other countries. Britain

:27:02. > :27:07.does have a say on what happens in the country, and if they want to

:27:08. > :27:10.deport somebody, they can. It might cause who are somewhere, but if they

:27:11. > :27:16.want to deport somebody, they are able to do it if they have the right

:27:17. > :27:21.reasons to do it. I still believe the endgame of the European Union,

:27:22. > :27:26.France and Germany really, is a superstate. I don't see it as a

:27:27. > :27:31.United States of Europe with one flag-waving and everybody singing a

:27:32. > :27:39.European Union on them, I believe it is more a collective of our

:27:40. > :27:43.countries, not one massive state. Voters are crying out for fact in

:27:44. > :27:47.this referendum, and perhaps the biggest of all is this. No

:27:48. > :27:51.politician, no expert, no commentator can predict the future

:27:52. > :27:56.in or out of the EU with any certainty sale in the end it comes

:27:57. > :28:00.down to your judgment, perhaps how you feel. One thing is clear though,

:28:01. > :28:06.this is one of the biggest political decisions anyone will take in our

:28:07. > :28:12.lifetimes. I feel we would be better in charge of our own destiny. If we

:28:13. > :28:19.leave now it is potentially disastrous. I want British laws and

:28:20. > :28:23.I will bloody well stay like it. I feel proud and hopefully thankful

:28:24. > :28:28.once the result comes in that we have remained in the EU. I feel like

:28:29. > :28:33.this is an important decision for me to make because it will affect a lot

:28:34. > :28:37.of my choices in the future and now. I think it is important we utilise

:28:38. > :28:39.our vote to make our future better really. That is what my vote is

:28:40. > :28:44.about.