:00:00. > :00:00.I'm back at the top of the hour with a full bulletin. Announce a
:00:00. > :00:13.programme looking at both sides of the Scottish referendum debate.
:00:14. > :00:20.Across Scotland we've all been wrestling with a big decision.
:00:21. > :00:31.There's no escaping September 18th and the campaign for our votes. I
:00:32. > :00:37.can't stand it. Oh, dear. For the last four months, our cameras have
:00:38. > :00:41.been in homes across Scotland, big and small, in town and in the
:00:42. > :00:46.country, and if things have been heated round your dinner table, you
:00:47. > :00:51.can take comfort ` you're not the only ones. I'm British. I was born
:00:52. > :00:55.British. You were born in Scotland. I was born British. You were born in
:00:56. > :01:05.Scotland though, you're Scottish. Join us for the story of the summer,
:01:06. > :01:08.as real Scots ponder: Independence ` yes or no. That's it, let's get
:01:09. > :01:33.voting. Our cameras have spent the last four
:01:34. > :01:36.months in the homes of voters. From castles to council flats, we've
:01:37. > :01:46.followed Scots from wealthy and poorer backgrounds.
:01:47. > :01:55.A few have always known how they'll vote, but most started the campaign
:01:56. > :01:59.with an open mind. Over the next three weeks, we'll see how they make
:02:00. > :02:05.this momentous decision and we've given them some home work ` campaign
:02:06. > :02:09.highlights to wile away the nights. Begin with a Burns' Night video
:02:10. > :02:15.still doing the round on social media in spring. Not long after my
:02:16. > :02:20.family emigrated to America in the mid`70s, we were invited to be the
:02:21. > :02:26.special guests of a Burns supper in South Dakota... Before he was the
:02:27. > :02:33.star of the Opening Ceremony, John Barrowman recorded this video for
:02:34. > :02:40.Better Together. Oh, dear. Oh, no. Oh, it's John. The thought of being
:02:41. > :02:44.surrounded by fellow Scots celebrating in an evening of revelry
:02:45. > :02:50.and that doesn't mean fish and trips and list tong Billy Connelly, it was
:02:51. > :02:56.worth the trip from Chicago. It doesn't matter where you go, you'll
:02:57. > :03:04.always be known as a Scot. Where are you from? Glasgow. We are a people
:03:05. > :03:09.of big ideas and big ambitions. We carry them with us wherever we go. I
:03:10. > :03:17.think Burns would have embraced the notion of being an international
:03:18. > :03:24.Scot, like me. His point is it's about being eclectic Eclectic? What
:03:25. > :03:36.does that mean? All together? Pretty much, yeah. Right that's it. Does
:03:37. > :03:42.this end. I can't, I can't. Where' ere you be, link your arms, let's
:03:43. > :03:52.honour the barred and stand `` bard and stand together and let us not
:03:53. > :03:56.like snarling curs and wrangling speed divided. That doesn't make me
:03:57. > :04:01.want to vote yes or not, it's just nice words. Exactly. You can link
:04:02. > :04:04.arms with people. It's like say figure we become independent we
:04:05. > :04:08.can't embrace anybody else? That's just nonsense. I don't think it's
:04:09. > :04:16.that. That's what he's saying. It's the opportunity to link arms, well,
:04:17. > :04:28.the opportunity doesn't disappear. Cheers.
:04:29. > :04:38.Without sounding too dramatic, this debate is about all our futures,
:04:39. > :04:46.even baby Oliver's. We've been together two`and`a`half years. We're
:04:47. > :04:50.getting married. In 2016, September. It's a long celebration, it will all
:04:51. > :04:56.be good. These two are planning for a wedding in two years' time. That's
:04:57. > :05:01.not the only union on Mark's mind. Is there any possibility that you
:05:02. > :05:08.might move from a no to a yes? No, definitely not. Not for me any way.
:05:09. > :05:17.100%, no. I'll stick to that till the voting. I don't really know. If
:05:18. > :05:19.someone came at me with a great argument, I feel I'm open to be
:05:20. > :05:32.persuaded. So mums and dads feel the
:05:33. > :05:38.responsibility of this decision wherever they are. I want our
:05:39. > :05:43.children to be part of a Scotland that is ambitious and profitable and
:05:44. > :05:47.I want them to have the opportunity in their working life to be
:05:48. > :05:52.somewhere where they can have everything they need and want to
:05:53. > :05:59.have. Our children, like everyone else, it's the future, it's the next
:06:00. > :06:07.generation to come on. It's an important to make that decision on
:06:08. > :06:18.their behalf really. Danny and his wife Allison run a farm. It's more
:06:19. > :06:27.of a way of life than a job. Atta boy. I feel lucky to be involved in
:06:28. > :06:38.farming. I'm the fourth generation. It's a great way of life. Spring on
:06:39. > :06:41.the farm is still a busy time, but Danny and Allison know they have
:06:42. > :06:50.months to make up their minds about September. I'm definitely undecided.
:06:51. > :06:54.Being on the farm, you get so involved in the farming from night
:06:55. > :06:58.till dawn that you don't actually read enough, I don't watch enough
:06:59. > :07:02.even of the telly, to be fair. In the next few months I have to make a
:07:03. > :07:05.determined effort to read and listen a wee bit better, because I don't
:07:06. > :07:10.know enough about it. There's no doubt about it. What I want to be
:07:11. > :07:16.clear on is what's the aspiration? Where do we want Scotland to be in
:07:17. > :07:21.10, 20, 30 years time both from Better Together and the 'Yes'
:07:22. > :07:29.campaign. That will sell it to me, rather than an answer to absolutely
:07:30. > :07:37.every detail. I want a vision. There's a little bit of everything
:07:38. > :07:42.Scotland has to offer on Aaron. Let's be honest, what's on offer is
:07:43. > :07:49.quite often torrential rain. Just because family has come `` Jessica's
:07:50. > :07:55.family is here to mark her 21st birthday. It's time for Jessica's
:07:56. > :07:58.mum, a passionate yes, and her ex`soldier brother Billy, a
:07:59. > :08:02.determined no, who can persuade Jessica to side with them. I need to
:08:03. > :08:08.know why you're saying yeah. Why are you saying no. Why do you think?
:08:09. > :08:15.Because you're patriotic. There you go. There's being patriotic and how
:08:16. > :08:20.your life will be affected. I can be part of Britain and be a proud
:08:21. > :08:29.Scott. We're not though, we're a forgotten nation. I don't see how
:08:30. > :08:36.we're deemed as forgotten. They wouldn't be fighting so hard to keep
:08:37. > :08:44.us as part of a union. We are always last in the weather. Torrential
:08:45. > :08:53.rain, no, but torrential rain in England, but we could be 25 degrees
:08:54. > :08:58.up here. Andy Murray won Wimbledon so he's British, so if he lost he
:08:59. > :09:10.would be Scottish. I do agree with that. Andy Murray the Scott lost.
:09:11. > :09:16.You say you're moving then. I am British, I was born British You were
:09:17. > :09:20.born in Scotland. I'm British. You were born in Scotland, so you're
:09:21. > :09:24.Scottish. It's these petty arguments. It's not petty. If
:09:25. > :09:29.someone says... There should be a someone says... There should be a
:09:30. > :09:36.Scottish That's another thing passport. . You're born British, am
:09:37. > :09:40.I back in Britain or backing a question mark? That's what it comes
:09:41. > :09:44.down to. We know what's going to happen if we stay. We go on as we
:09:45. > :09:49.are. If we go independent, there's a lot of questions. You don't take a
:09:50. > :09:54.risk because you don't know? Not with something like that Even though
:09:55. > :10:02.it could be a benefit? That's what I say when a cross a railway track `
:10:03. > :10:06.think I'll make it. Correct. You're playing with your life and
:10:07. > :10:11.livelihood and financial If we vote status. Yes we are all going to be
:10:12. > :10:21.murdered in our beds. I wouldn't say that. You could be killed crossing a
:10:22. > :10:26.level crossing illegally is higher than voting for independence. More
:10:27. > :10:30.home work for our voters. John Barrowman isn't the only star
:10:31. > :10:38.getting in on the campaign. Lady GaGa did too. Or at least, I think
:10:39. > :10:50.it was her. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, I'm voting no. No, no, no, no.
:10:51. > :10:55.Are you going to sing along? It looks freezing. Do you think she's
:10:56. > :11:01.part of the official SNP campaign? She could be. She's behaving like
:11:02. > :11:12.the rest of them any way. You're singing? Are you voting no?
:11:13. > :11:17.He's voting no as well. # I'm voting no
:11:18. > :11:20.# Just say no, baby # Self` determination is crazy
:11:21. > :11:24.# Just say no, baby # Self` determination is crazy
:11:25. > :11:28.# Just say no, baby # Self` determination is crazy
:11:29. > :11:34.# Just say no # Self` determination's crazy... It
:11:35. > :11:38.didn't take long for some of our voters to work out this wasn't Lady
:11:39. > :11:44.GaGa, but it took a while for the penny to drop that the video's
:11:45. > :11:50.message was pro`independence. What is that word? To try and... They
:11:51. > :11:55.tell you to do something, but they really want you to do something
:11:56. > :12:02.else. I don't know. Reverse psychology. Yes! I thought that was
:12:03. > :12:06.like that. Saying vote no, vote no, telling us to vote yes. When you
:12:07. > :12:10.listen to some of her words, she was like, why make your own choice when
:12:11. > :12:13.we can let like the Parliament do it for us. Wait that's reverse
:12:14. > :12:31.psychology! I'm Sean, I'm 29 years old and I'm
:12:32. > :12:35.from Dundee originally. I've been in Glasgow for seven or eight years. I
:12:36. > :12:42.work as a hairdresser. I love my job. It's creative, fun, exciting.
:12:43. > :12:45.For Sean, this refer dumb is important. It's so important that
:12:46. > :12:53.he's registered to vote for the first time. This is my first year
:12:54. > :12:59.I've actually been on the roll thing. So I've never been bothered
:13:00. > :13:02.before. I've never signed up for it. Obviously, things come through the
:13:03. > :13:06.post and stuff like that, but I've never really been ` I just wouldn't
:13:07. > :13:09.know who to vote for. I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for because
:13:10. > :13:15.I don't know who they are, what they do or anything like that. Just not
:13:16. > :13:18.that fussed about it. What, so far, has made its way through to you
:13:19. > :13:23.about what is happening in September? What do you understand
:13:24. > :13:26.you're doing in September? We're voting to say if Scotland are going
:13:27. > :13:36.to be independent or not. That's about all I know. So Sean's probably
:13:37. > :13:40.not the only Scot who knows he has to make a decision, but doesn't know
:13:41. > :13:49.where to start, but he knows one thing about politics or politicians
:13:50. > :13:54.any way. I think `` I don't know what they're saying. It's all
:13:55. > :13:57.confusing. I prefer listening to people I know and people in the
:13:58. > :14:02.salon. When I speak to them, I hear more about that and that sways my
:14:03. > :14:05.opinion rather than the Government. I just think it's confusing when
:14:06. > :14:10.they start their debates. Sean does have a source
:14:11. > :14:12.of information We can't do any worse,
:14:13. > :14:20.I think we can only do better, we have 300 years to make up
:14:21. > :14:27.for having English rule. You never know really, though we
:14:28. > :14:34.have heard before, we don't know. Scottish independence all
:14:35. > :14:36.the way for you? That's you then,
:14:37. > :14:43.make your way home. Having your own business is a worry,
:14:44. > :14:47.will your business still be Will people still come
:14:48. > :14:51.into the country? Your husband has a lot
:14:52. > :14:59.of business down south as well,. You might think that a lot
:15:00. > :15:02.of companies might not want to work with him now
:15:03. > :15:10.because they think there might not be
:15:11. > :15:11.enough money in Scotland. I'm still trying to work
:15:12. > :15:18.out how it will pan out. I will have to choose at the end,
:15:19. > :15:22.I still don't know who I will choose, but hopefully in a couple
:15:23. > :15:25.of months I will know. Then it will be it,
:15:26. > :15:33.let's get voting. Don't worry,
:15:34. > :15:35.we will be there when Sean does make Now for a real change of scene, who
:15:36. > :15:55.would live in a house like this? It's a castle really,
:15:56. > :15:57.every castle needs its Laird. My name is Simon,
:15:58. > :16:00.you can best describe me as a modern Laird, I live in a castle
:16:01. > :16:05.in Ayrshire, which has been owned We have a lot of connections
:16:06. > :16:12.to history to put it politely. We were cousins with
:16:13. > :16:14.William Wallace, we were at every major battle
:16:15. > :16:18.in Scotland on one side or the other, one of my ancestors caught
:16:19. > :16:23.the head of the Earl of Kilmarnock We have a lot of history but I
:16:24. > :16:36.try not to be pompous about it. Simon isn't your stereotypical toff,
:16:37. > :16:39.this is a Laird prepared to get I think people expect a lot more
:16:40. > :16:50.toff and they get a lot more ripped jeans, most of the stereotypical
:16:51. > :16:53.stuff you expect of a toff I don't I don't think it is a good idea
:16:54. > :16:59.particularly for us to go One downside of living
:17:00. > :17:12.at a castle is that there is always Today is a makeover for the
:17:13. > :17:18.ancestral hall, a chance to uncover why Simon is so opposed to voting
:17:19. > :17:24.'Yes' with his wife and best friend. Some of the people I have spoken to
:17:25. > :17:26.said that after a 'Yes' they would get out of
:17:27. > :17:32.the country as quickly as possible. Because of the uncertainty,
:17:33. > :17:34.not necessarily because Scotland Nobody knows what will happen
:17:35. > :17:42.if we get a 'Yes'. To get
:17:43. > :17:48.a 'No' you know what will happen. My biggest bugbear is
:17:49. > :17:50.from both sides, they can't predict a year ahead, how
:17:51. > :17:56.can they predict 50 years ahead? I would rather stay where I am,
:17:57. > :17:59.thank you. If we are going down the route
:18:00. > :18:05.of Scotland having greater powers, then go down that route then at
:18:06. > :18:08.least we will have the opportunity Do it slowly,
:18:09. > :18:18.in small steps not one huge jump. No, you need to get to the bottom
:18:19. > :18:23.of the cliff from the top of the Homework time again for our voters,
:18:24. > :18:40.back in May, a visit by UK defence secretary Philip Hammond to Glasgow
:18:41. > :18:49.was making the news. Thousands of defence jobs will be
:18:50. > :18:52.at risk if Scotland votes for independence,
:18:53. > :18:57.that is a warning Philip Hammond issued when he spoke to employees
:18:58. > :19:00.at a firm in the Glasgow. The First Minister has insisted that
:19:01. > :19:03.Royal Navy ships would still be built on the Clyde and jobs would be
:19:04. > :19:09.secured through diversification. If Scotland is not inside the
:19:10. > :19:12.United Kingdom, the United Kingdom cannot be expected to pay premium
:19:13. > :19:18.prices to prop up its industry with none of the benefits of a sovereign
:19:19. > :19:25.capability from the United Kingdom. He got a trade union backing
:19:26. > :19:28.for being so open and bold, but one member
:19:29. > :19:32.of this audience felt blackmailed. I feel aggrieved that you have come
:19:33. > :19:37.up here to threaten that That is what a lot of people feel
:19:38. > :19:47.in Scotland. It's not just going to
:19:48. > :19:50.be defence jobs either. There's too many risks,
:19:51. > :19:53.this is just it. 'No' votes have been threatening
:19:54. > :20:05.Scotland with the loss of jobs, The SNP is trying to counter it ,
:20:06. > :20:21.but there are no actual figures. Why do we have to
:20:22. > :20:33.lose all this stuff? You know that old saying never
:20:34. > :20:46.going to do this with a friend? You know that old saying never
:20:47. > :20:48.go into business with a Well don't tell that to Frank
:20:49. > :20:51.and Stuart, they run a boat out of Lerwick
:20:52. > :20:54.harbour and go back a long way. I am Stuart, I run a charter boat,
:20:55. > :20:57.I have lived in Shetland most I am Frank Miller,
:20:58. > :21:06.I'm from the south, and proud of it, I came here when I was eight years
:21:07. > :21:17.old when I met him. We bought this boat
:21:18. > :21:26.and started this company. It has its own way of looking
:21:27. > :21:31.at things, it is one of the areas that was least keen to
:21:32. > :21:39.see a Scottish parliament. Frank is an incomer,
:21:40. > :21:43.who moved here when he was eight, He would like to see
:21:44. > :21:49.an independent Scotland and has tried to influence Stuart, but he is
:21:50. > :21:52.having a hard time persuading I can understand Frank's point
:21:53. > :22:03.of view, he has valid points The thing is though, Stuart,
:22:04. > :22:15.every government, every Tory government has been against what the
:22:16. > :22:22.people of Scotland has voted for. We have never voted for a Tory
:22:23. > :22:29.government but that is what we have. Today, the boys are taking the boat
:22:30. > :22:46.out for a spot of recreational We have come to a fishing ground,
:22:47. > :23:02.trying fishing along this ridge. We are about four miles short
:23:03. > :23:07.of Lerwick that is all. A beautiful day,
:23:08. > :23:12.great day for fishing. The fish aren't cooperating
:23:13. > :23:15.and Frank is I did tell you I was going
:23:16. > :23:29.to show you how to do it. This little guy isn't
:23:30. > :23:33.going to feed the crew. On the way home, fishing rivalries
:23:34. > :23:37.are forgotten and the conversation If you feel Scotland could do better
:23:38. > :23:48.on its own, that is how you vote. I am of the opinion that England is
:23:49. > :23:52.the bit that hangs off I don't feel that Scotland really
:23:53. > :24:02.is big enough or has the ability You would like a more equal
:24:03. > :24:07.partnership with England? I would like to see a lot more
:24:08. > :24:12.powers devolved to the Scottish parliament, if they would exercise
:24:13. > :24:17.those powers with common sense. Again, you are back in the hands
:24:18. > :24:19.of politicians, As the only undecided here,
:24:20. > :24:37.Stuart is keeping his eyes Everybody has shared some side,
:24:38. > :24:57.everybody speaks, it is interesting. I've known Frank since I was ten
:24:58. > :25:01.years old, I won't try persuading him, we find common ground easily,
:25:02. > :25:12.because I have known him so long. Stuart is keeping
:25:13. > :25:15.his cards close to his chest. His best pal has a long way to go
:25:16. > :25:20.if he's going to persuade him. I've never tried to persuade Stuart,
:25:21. > :25:22.I never will. If he wants to listen to what I'm
:25:23. > :25:27.saying that is fine. But I will never listen
:25:28. > :25:33.to what he says. Next week on the programme,
:25:34. > :25:45.Frank's attempt to convert Stewart I don't know, I don't think it's the
:25:46. > :25:55.most sensible thing. We see another side to Sean
:25:56. > :26:01.altogether. And will Jessica side with her
:26:02. > :26:13.mum as a big day gets closer?