0:00:03 > 0:00:07This city, let's be honest, it always was a nationalist city.
0:00:07 > 0:00:10And the fact that my church stayed silent,
0:00:10 > 0:00:15the Christian church permitted a unionist controlled council to
0:00:15 > 0:00:18oversee a nationalist city.
0:00:18 > 0:00:23I mean, it doesn't take the brains of an Archbishop
0:00:23 > 0:00:28to work out that sooner or later the lid is going
0:00:28 > 0:00:32to fly off the container.
0:00:40 > 0:00:43# They say the skies of Lebanon are burning
0:00:45 > 0:00:48# Those mighty cedars bleeding in the heat
0:00:50 > 0:00:54# They're showing pictures on the television
0:00:55 > 0:00:58# Women and children dying in the street
0:01:01 > 0:01:05# And we're still at it in our own place
0:01:05 > 0:01:09# Still trying to reach the future through the past
0:01:11 > 0:01:16# Carve tomorrow from a tombstone
0:01:16 > 0:01:21# But hey, don't listen to me! This wasn't meant to be no sad song
0:01:24 > 0:01:27# We've heard too much of that before
0:01:28 > 0:01:33# Right now I only want to be here with you
0:01:33 > 0:01:37# Till the morning dew comes falling
0:01:39 > 0:01:42# I want to take you to the island
0:01:44 > 0:01:49# And trace your footprints in the sand
0:01:49 > 0:01:54# And in the evening when the sun goes down
0:01:54 > 0:01:58# We'll make love to the sound of the ocean. #
0:02:11 > 0:02:15In about 2005, I went up to Radio 4 and said,
0:02:15 > 0:02:18"Guys, I have a wee story."
0:02:18 > 0:02:21So I moan, and they said to me, "David, what is happening?"
0:02:21 > 0:02:27And I said "My church has been hit with paint," and...
0:02:27 > 0:02:30I said, you know, "We've got the potential of a grant here,
0:02:30 > 0:02:33"we are going to be refurbished and after refurbishment,
0:02:33 > 0:02:36"I don't want the place coloured,
0:02:36 > 0:02:41"whether it's red, white or blue or green, white and gold."
0:02:41 > 0:02:43So they said, "What is your plan?"
0:02:43 > 0:02:44I said, "I think there is
0:02:44 > 0:02:47"only one man in this town who can resolve this for me".
0:02:47 > 0:02:49"Who's that?" I said, "It's Martin McGuinness,
0:02:49 > 0:02:51"a man who in a previous life wore
0:02:51 > 0:02:52"a hat that gave him authority,
0:02:52 > 0:02:54"and I don't think he has lost any of that."
0:02:54 > 0:02:58Now, within 20 minutes, Sinn Fein's office were ringing me.
0:02:58 > 0:03:03"Martin would like to meet you." That rather...
0:03:03 > 0:03:09strange event led to two people from opposite ends of the religious
0:03:09 > 0:03:12and political spectrum meeting
0:03:12 > 0:03:15and out of that we have become very firm friends,
0:03:15 > 0:03:19and I consider the way in which we have been living
0:03:19 > 0:03:21such separate lives,
0:03:21 > 0:03:28and the vision I have of something different may be becoming real.
0:03:28 > 0:03:32That's the reason why I want to accept this invitation.
0:03:32 > 0:03:34To go to people...
0:03:36 > 0:03:40..who are made flesh and blood just like myself,
0:03:40 > 0:03:46and as equal with them, to start to share some thoughts.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48There is a woman involved with us
0:03:48 > 0:03:51who has a bullet inside her, close to her heart,
0:03:51 > 0:03:53for over 30 years.
0:03:53 > 0:03:58The intended target was missed, and she was hit instead.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02The surgeons can't remove the bullet for fear that it would take her life,
0:04:02 > 0:04:04and she has lived with this.
0:04:04 > 0:04:05But what she would say,
0:04:05 > 0:04:08and I think she's almost emblematic of some of the other people,
0:04:08 > 0:04:13she would say, "I am not a victim, I am learning to become a victor here."
0:04:13 > 0:04:16I think you know more people here than I do, Martin.
0:04:17 > 0:04:21This is... Are you all right? This is quite some moment.
0:04:21 > 0:04:25I have come face-to-face with the horror of war,
0:04:25 > 0:04:27and the pain of conflict.
0:04:27 > 0:04:32In Afghanistan I had a first-hand appreciation with
0:04:32 > 0:04:35the brokenness of young bodies coming in
0:04:35 > 0:04:38in body bag after body bag,
0:04:38 > 0:04:44and it makes me want to do only one thing and that is put in place
0:04:44 > 0:04:49the building blocks for something more stable that will allow us to
0:04:49 > 0:04:51grow up respecting each other
0:04:51 > 0:04:55because guns only take us deeper into pain.
0:04:55 > 0:05:00There was no purpose in murdering me father because that is what happened.
0:05:00 > 0:05:05It wasn't a mistake. Once you place a bomb in a car, you intend to kill.
0:05:05 > 0:05:07It doesn't matter who they are, whether he had a uniform,
0:05:07 > 0:05:09I know he had a uniform.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12My father was killed, Mrs Cecilia Byrne was killed,
0:05:12 > 0:05:14and they were two innocent people.
0:05:14 > 0:05:16So we were together this morning, you know.
0:05:16 > 0:05:21What I want to say is going to recognise that enormous
0:05:21 > 0:05:23progress has been made,
0:05:23 > 0:05:27and Sinn Fein have to be giving credit for where we have got to.
0:05:29 > 0:05:31Right, Martin...
0:05:33 > 0:05:39'And I've been amazed at the people who are making contact with me,
0:05:39 > 0:05:42'former British Army soldiers for example.
0:05:42 > 0:05:46'Former republican prisoners who have come up to me
0:05:46 > 0:05:49'and said, "David, keep doing what you are doing."
0:05:49 > 0:05:55David is my friend, we have different allegiances, but that is all right.
0:05:55 > 0:05:57We have one thing in common.
0:05:57 > 0:05:58We believe in peace.
0:05:58 > 0:06:02If you had met the people who put the bomb in your daddy's car,
0:06:02 > 0:06:06in the 1970s and 1980s, what would you have done to them?
0:06:06 > 0:06:12All I wanted to know, was why?
0:06:19 > 0:06:22Thank you, thank you, my goodness.
0:06:22 > 0:06:26How can I follow Martin McGuinness? Erm...
0:06:28 > 0:06:32Frankly, I don't think I can because I see him...
0:06:32 > 0:06:38Martin, I see you as one of the true great leaders of modern times.
0:06:38 > 0:06:39APPLAUSE
0:06:48 > 0:06:53And my prayer is that he will be empowered and envisioned to
0:06:53 > 0:07:01take us forward in the inclusive way that he is committed to.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04I am looking at the man I now see
0:07:04 > 0:07:06who is very different to the man in the past who
0:07:06 > 0:07:08I didn't know in the past.
0:07:08 > 0:07:12Reflect for a moment on the changes made in the last five years.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15Politically, in terms of the Sinn Fein project...
0:07:17 > 0:07:23..and, I suppose, the same may be true of the unionist
0:07:23 > 0:07:26or loyalist project,
0:07:26 > 0:07:30each of us have got to say sorry for my part in this.
0:07:32 > 0:07:38Well, when I said got to say, that sounds like a demand.
0:07:38 > 0:07:40It has to be voluntary.
0:07:44 > 0:07:47St Paul, the greatest theologian of all time,
0:07:47 > 0:07:55he is on record as saying that no-one is worthy, no-one is worthy,
0:07:55 > 0:08:00'and I think for as long as people consider that they have a
0:08:00 > 0:08:03'divine right to pass judgment on everybody,
0:08:03 > 0:08:10'the person who is passing the judgment is the big loser,
0:08:10 > 0:08:17'whereas the person they are wanting to condemn, that person has moved on.'
0:08:17 > 0:08:21First of all, you have called for a countrywide day
0:08:21 > 0:08:24of open transformation, what do you mean by that?
0:08:24 > 0:08:29Well, I think what I want is a one-off public event,
0:08:29 > 0:08:35but it would be an event when everybody - the police,
0:08:35 > 0:08:39the army, the loyalist terrorists
0:08:39 > 0:08:48and republican terrorists, who have visited our community with hurt,
0:08:48 > 0:08:51"We want to acknowledge that we have visited...
0:08:53 > 0:08:56"..the country with hurt, we have inflicted pain,
0:08:56 > 0:08:59"we have hurt each other and we have been hurt by each other,
0:08:59 > 0:09:04"and we now want to forgive and we want to be forgiven."
0:09:05 > 0:09:07And that, I think, would be
0:09:07 > 0:09:12a very defining moment that could help a great many people who
0:09:12 > 0:09:16currently are hurting within my community,
0:09:16 > 0:09:21and within the nationalist Catholic and republican community.
0:09:23 > 0:09:29My name is Donald Dunne, and I am the son of John Patrick Dunne who was
0:09:29 > 0:09:32killed in an explosion by the IRA.
0:09:32 > 0:09:36There was also a neighbour who was blown up that day.
0:09:36 > 0:09:42Her name was Cecilia Byrne.
0:09:45 > 0:09:46This is your dad.
0:09:46 > 0:09:51His eyes, look, are dancing. The smile on his face,
0:09:51 > 0:09:53your mother looking beautiful on their wedding day.
0:09:53 > 0:09:57Looking at this picture here, Donald...
0:09:57 > 0:10:02it's a picture of the morning of your daddy's funeral.
0:10:02 > 0:10:06I see you here, a young man, you are 18 here? Yes. Yes.
0:10:06 > 0:10:11If you look at my mother there, you can see the pain that she's in.
0:10:11 > 0:10:16And she never ever recovered from that day. What does that mean?
0:10:16 > 0:10:19Well, apart from ourselves, my mother's whole life changed also.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23From that day onwards, she became a mother and a father.
0:10:23 > 0:10:27In later years, she was longer widowed than she was married.
0:10:27 > 0:10:32My understanding now is that Donald was saying to himself,
0:10:32 > 0:10:36first of all, saying to his wife Siobhan,
0:10:36 > 0:10:40saying to his family, "I am going to speak about this,"
0:10:40 > 0:10:43because part of why it became unspeakable was
0:10:43 > 0:10:46he was living in the Craigavon community,
0:10:46 > 0:10:50a nationalist republican community, and the republicans were
0:10:50 > 0:10:54positioning themselves as protectors of the community.
0:10:54 > 0:10:57It was actually republicans who killed his father.
0:10:58 > 0:11:01Republicans are involved with the official IRA,
0:11:01 > 0:11:06who at that time were believed to have been in ceasefire
0:11:06 > 0:11:08so they did not take responsibility.
0:11:08 > 0:11:11They did not say we did this.
0:11:11 > 0:11:14So he's living in a community where some people,
0:11:14 > 0:11:18a minority of people, maybe even a small minority of people,
0:11:18 > 0:11:20were saying, good enough for him
0:11:20 > 0:11:26because in some ways, Donald's father was regarded as
0:11:26 > 0:11:29Donald's father worked in Ebrington Barracks
0:11:29 > 0:11:32and there must have been some thought, "Well,
0:11:32 > 0:11:36"if he happened to be a victim of the bomb we plant
0:11:36 > 0:11:39"and the target is the British soldiers, well,
0:11:39 > 0:11:42"he's collateral damage, he is expendable."
0:11:42 > 0:11:46So there would have been some energy in those intensely volatile
0:11:46 > 0:11:52days of, you know, '70, '73, '74 for people to say, "So what?"
0:11:52 > 0:11:56And what the Dunne family might have had to do is put their head down...
0:11:58 > 0:12:05Literally choose a sort of negative self preservation, silence.
0:12:06 > 0:12:11This peace building initiative called Bright Brand New Day is to
0:12:11 > 0:12:15allow for the hurt that is in this community to be lanced,
0:12:15 > 0:12:20and that's maybe going to mean quite courageous things being
0:12:20 > 0:12:24said by people who have visited our communities with hurt.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27They need to hear something more than just the war is over.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29I was at the Ard Fheis with a message,
0:12:29 > 0:12:33and my message was that I felt that at some point in the future
0:12:33 > 0:12:34there was a need for a day,
0:12:34 > 0:12:37and I called it a day for open transformation.
0:12:37 > 0:12:42That's maybe what Sunday May 19, 2013 is turning out to be.
0:12:42 > 0:12:47I wanted a group of people representative of the hurt
0:12:47 > 0:12:49that had been visited on this city to come together and,
0:12:49 > 0:12:54having agreed to a formula of words, to share those words
0:12:54 > 0:12:57and to allow people who are hurting within our two
0:12:57 > 0:13:00traditions to appreciate, you know, there is regret.
0:13:01 > 0:13:05OK, so let's proceed up the stairs now.
0:13:05 > 0:13:06Normally, we would take the lift.
0:13:13 > 0:13:14Well, I'll be back here.
0:13:14 > 0:13:19'It was a very positive, productive meeting that encourages me
0:13:19 > 0:13:20'and I tell you this.
0:13:20 > 0:13:24'If we can have the same kind of businesslike approach to all
0:13:24 > 0:13:27'the other conversations with the groups that we need to talk to,'
0:13:27 > 0:13:31we are in business to deliver something better for our country.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34There is a question that intrigues me.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38Would I rather be right or be happy?
0:13:38 > 0:13:41And it strikes me if you keep saying it was a just war,
0:13:41 > 0:13:45therefore I can't say I was sorry. You are continuing to say,
0:13:45 > 0:13:52"I am right, I am right." And that feeds on unhappiness.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55Now, I talk to people whose lives have been turned
0:13:55 > 0:13:59upside down by Provisional IRA violence, and I am not sure that
0:13:59 > 0:14:03if Martin McGuinness or Sinn Fein were to say I'm sorry, it would...
0:14:03 > 0:14:07As somebody said, it won't bring back the limb I have lost.
0:14:07 > 0:14:11It won't bring back my father or my brother.
0:14:11 > 0:14:17But if it is said genuinely, authentically, from the heart...
0:14:19 > 0:14:22..then it will make a difference.
0:14:22 > 0:14:26Because in my life experience, when people speak to me genuinely,
0:14:26 > 0:14:28honestly, that is when I listen.
0:14:28 > 0:14:29CHILDREN SING
0:14:29 > 0:14:33# Reaching out to you and I. #
0:14:33 > 0:14:36CHILDREN CLAP TO SONG
0:14:51 > 0:14:53Wow...
0:14:53 > 0:14:58'The fact that our committee got
0:14:58 > 0:15:02'an indication that this was not an easy journey for any of us.
0:15:02 > 0:15:07'I respect those who saw things differently and perhaps wanted to major'
0:15:07 > 0:15:12in a very comprehensive way
0:15:12 > 0:15:14on the victims.
0:15:14 > 0:15:19However, unexpectedly, this journey
0:15:19 > 0:15:23twisted from the path it was on.
0:15:23 > 0:15:29It curved rather than twisted, and in curving, it amazingly
0:15:29 > 0:15:34attracted the attention of schools and schools with young people...
0:15:36 > 0:15:40..starting off tiny and yet mushrooming into the 60 plus
0:15:40 > 0:15:43that we have now, participating in this initiative.
0:15:43 > 0:15:47As I talked increasingly to teachers,
0:15:47 > 0:15:51and particularly to principals, I was getting the message from them,
0:15:51 > 0:15:57"David, our young people would not fit in to an event that is going to
0:15:57 > 0:16:01"concentrate on having people who have been hurt by the Troubles."
0:16:01 > 0:16:06As one country principal said to me,
0:16:06 > 0:16:11she said, "My worry would be if they are going to listen to
0:16:11 > 0:16:15"some excerpts from the stories of people who have been hurt,
0:16:15 > 0:16:18"they will hear things that will become a
0:16:18 > 0:16:22"millstone around their necks, and we don't want that."
0:16:22 > 0:16:25In the end, those who wanted to major in the victims felt that they
0:16:25 > 0:16:28could no longer continue with the journey.
0:16:36 > 0:16:39I think that the notion of putting a lid on it, and don't open that
0:16:39 > 0:16:45can of worms, is sometimes a fear about our emotional lives.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48And we have sometimes been conditioned to think,
0:16:48 > 0:16:51men in particular, don't cry.
0:16:51 > 0:16:55What happens if you don't let that emotional life out?
0:16:55 > 0:17:01I think your life can become toxic and if I, as a parent, am not doing
0:17:01 > 0:17:07that, not taking care of myself, then I transmit to the next generation.
0:17:07 > 0:17:10If I have unresolved issues about the past, I will transmit that
0:17:10 > 0:17:14to my children who may, in turn, take up the cudgels, as they say.
0:17:17 > 0:17:22To mark the 25th anniversary of my ministry here at First Derry
0:17:22 > 0:17:27there was a special service on Sunday, 21 April.
0:17:29 > 0:17:33I quite intentionally extended an invitation to Martin,
0:17:33 > 0:17:36as I did to a number of my neighbours and I wanted him
0:17:36 > 0:17:38to speak to the congregation, a big congregation,
0:17:38 > 0:17:43on my 25th anniversary of being in this city.
0:17:43 > 0:17:48And he spoke in a very intimate way to the people,
0:17:48 > 0:17:51and referred to the past,
0:17:51 > 0:17:59and says how we have regrets with all that took place in the past.
0:17:59 > 0:18:02That was a very powerful word for him to share with people,
0:18:02 > 0:18:06some of whom within my church have paid a very high price.
0:18:12 > 0:18:18Our understanding from the Historical Enquiries report was that the bomb
0:18:18 > 0:18:21was placed under the car seat, the driver's front car seat.
0:18:21 > 0:18:25The IRA said they planted a bomb under the car.
0:18:25 > 0:18:31Shortly after,
0:18:31 > 0:18:33I approached him and asked him
0:18:33 > 0:18:38if he was involved with the murder of my father and Mrs Byrne.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41He said he wouldn't grass on anyone.
0:18:41 > 0:18:46That was his words as far back as I can remember. Erm...
0:18:46 > 0:18:50Also, at that time, the Journal came out on a Friday and a Tuesday,
0:18:50 > 0:18:57and in the Friday's Journal, no organisation admitted it,
0:18:57 > 0:19:00and the Provisional IRA put a statement up to say that they
0:19:00 > 0:19:02would name and shame the people who did it
0:19:02 > 0:19:04in the following edition of the journal.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08That didn't appear, it didn't appear the following Friday either.
0:19:08 > 0:19:09It never appeared.
0:19:09 > 0:19:12The journey we've been on for quite some time underneath
0:19:12 > 0:19:18the umbrella of Bright Brand New Day, maybe this was a mountain
0:19:18 > 0:19:23that was maybe steeper than I had ever imagined it to be,
0:19:23 > 0:19:26and that was the way I was starting to look at Bright Brand New Day,
0:19:26 > 0:19:29and the citywide public event in the Guildhall.
0:19:29 > 0:19:35It just looked like I had bitten more than I could chew.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38The peace flame has to be given the go-ahead this morning,
0:19:38 > 0:19:41but yet we are still dealing with the possible uncertainty of
0:19:41 > 0:19:43whether we get the OFMDFM money.
0:19:43 > 0:19:46We can go ahead with everything in the Guildhall next week,
0:19:46 > 0:19:50use money which we might never receive,
0:19:50 > 0:19:53tell the peace frame to go ahead, and there'll be a major shortfall.
0:19:53 > 0:19:56Jim Roddy, city centre initiative manager, and I
0:19:56 > 0:19:58have had a relationship for
0:19:58 > 0:20:01maybe four years and he is a man I've got to know,
0:20:01 > 0:20:03and he is a man I like.
0:20:03 > 0:20:06So we know we have ?20,000 that I've collected. I don't know that.
0:20:06 > 0:20:10David, we do not know that. I haven't seen that. OK.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12OK, so I'm not trusted here.
0:20:12 > 0:20:17No, no, no, David... We've said now for two weeks,
0:20:17 > 0:20:18and tried to push you on...
0:20:18 > 0:20:21I don't think you have said for two weeks, Ian.
0:20:21 > 0:20:25If I have ?20,000 in cheques, does that mean it's being pledged?
0:20:25 > 0:20:28Well, why aren't we seeing it?
0:20:28 > 0:20:31To ensure that all the Is were being dotted and all Ts were being
0:20:31 > 0:20:34crossed, Jim was being very direct with me this morning.
0:20:34 > 0:20:36David, please let me say this.
0:20:36 > 0:20:40You know, we have had very straightforward, honest conversations
0:20:40 > 0:20:44where I have told you how uneasy I am around all of this, so we are
0:20:44 > 0:20:46giving assurances to Derry City Council.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49And on the assurances that we have to give Derry City Council,
0:20:49 > 0:20:53which they needed before 10am, or around 10am, as we know,
0:20:53 > 0:20:57it needs to be on the firm basis that everything else is in place.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00David believes that he has been envisioned to deliver what
0:21:00 > 0:21:09he is delivering now. And that's fine and well in David's world.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12difficult at times. Sometimes, straight talking has to take place.
0:21:12 > 0:21:15I got that message. I think, then, we have to pull the plug
0:21:15 > 0:21:16this morning.
0:21:16 > 0:21:20We haven't got the assurances that you need. We're close,
0:21:20 > 0:21:23we have got people's word, that is not enough.
0:21:23 > 0:21:27We are actually very close, and this is a technicality if you like,
0:21:27 > 0:21:29but it is a very important technicality.
0:21:29 > 0:21:33We are doing two things on Sunday which are very big for this city.
0:21:33 > 0:21:38We are having peace pledges delivered from all of the schools to the son of
0:21:38 > 0:21:43a world icon when it comes to peace - and Martin Luther King III.
0:21:43 > 0:21:46We have also got the ignition of the eternal peace flame.
0:21:46 > 0:21:49Again, this was only signed off on last week.
0:21:49 > 0:21:51And it is being constructed as we speak.
0:21:51 > 0:21:54These things are very important to our city but yet we have had
0:21:54 > 0:22:01a rush in getting everything set up and the preparations complete.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03be in place to deliver this.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06I was not convinced that everything was in place and once
0:22:06 > 0:22:10I was convinced then the preparations went ahead at full steam.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12I'm walking on air at the moment.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14For the first time,
0:22:14 > 0:22:18all the components associated with this journey towards
0:22:18 > 0:22:22a Great Brand New Day are in place, and there's enough money to cover
0:22:22 > 0:22:27everything - the peace flame, the monument can now be built.
0:22:27 > 0:22:32That's going to be something that will have legacy long after
0:22:32 > 0:22:36Mr Martin Luther King III has finished speaking.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39And we are going to have him in the city and, my goodness, that is
0:22:39 > 0:22:41the top tier of the cake.
0:22:44 > 0:22:52The itinerary, very necessarily, includes a visit to Stormont
0:22:52 > 0:22:55I want substance to dominate this meeting.
0:22:55 > 0:22:57This is the First Minister.
0:22:57 > 0:23:00Welcome to Northern Ireland. It's great to have you here. Thank you.
0:23:00 > 0:23:03And Martin McGuinness. Good to see you again.
0:23:03 > 0:23:07Thank you for the opportunity. I've heard a lot about you.
0:23:07 > 0:23:10So, we are delighted. It is wonderful. Shall we walk along here?
0:23:10 > 0:23:17Would you gentlemen like to get down into the castle? Oh, yes, yes.
0:23:17 > 0:23:21You couldn't work up on the Stormont, there's so much going on.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24You get a bit of space to do something.
0:23:24 > 0:23:30'It's up to me in conversations with a range of people to accumulate
0:23:30 > 0:23:34'the material that I think is necessary for Mr King to be
0:23:34 > 0:23:40'aware of so that he can come fully informed to do the maximum
0:23:40 > 0:23:44'amount of good that is possible during his time with the First
0:23:44 > 0:23:46'and Deputy First Minister.'
0:23:49 > 0:23:52It's taken me a very length of time to realise...
0:23:53 > 0:24:01..that as many as 16,000 people left the Cityside and went to live
0:24:01 > 0:24:04in Eglington, Waterside, Limavady, New Buildings,
0:24:04 > 0:24:06they've gone from here.
0:24:06 > 0:24:10They felt, for whatever reason, they had to go,
0:24:10 > 0:24:13whether there was direct intimidation, or indirect
0:24:13 > 0:24:18intimidation, my point is that this happened and I hardly noticed.
0:24:18 > 0:24:20So maybe...
0:24:21 > 0:24:25Maybe some Protestant people are saying to themselves,
0:24:25 > 0:24:27"These people hardly noticed what happened to us."
0:24:27 > 0:24:30Because one of the tragic, tragic,
0:24:30 > 0:24:34tragic facts in our existence here is we live in ghettos.
0:24:38 > 0:24:45This is the only Protestant estate on the Catholic West Bank.
0:24:45 > 0:24:50Here we have this little Protestant community who have, you know,
0:24:50 > 0:24:53in the past, been under siege, and therefore,
0:24:53 > 0:24:56you see the security fencing around here.
0:24:56 > 0:24:59That's, I suppose, to give them a little bit of internal
0:24:59 > 0:25:03security lest something should be lobbed over.
0:25:03 > 0:25:07It is an area that is proud of its British identity.
0:25:07 > 0:25:10We would have flags frequently on display here,
0:25:10 > 0:25:12the Ulster flag with the Red Hand Of Ulster,
0:25:12 > 0:25:16and very importantly, the flag, the Union Jack, as we call it, which is
0:25:16 > 0:25:23our symbol of Protestants wanting to be part of the United Kingdom.
0:25:23 > 0:25:25They have their own school.
0:25:25 > 0:25:34We don't have enough children here, sadly, to keep that school viable.
0:25:34 > 0:25:38We get a phone call, and once we got the phone call...
0:25:38 > 0:25:42I got a sense that my mother had died.
0:25:42 > 0:25:45Because she hadn't been keeping well. When was this?
0:25:45 > 0:25:48Two years ago. August, two years. 10th of August.
0:25:48 > 0:25:51It was actually her wedding anniversary.
0:25:51 > 0:25:55My mother was buried two days later.
0:25:55 > 0:26:00I took something, I don't know, in the church, and I collapsed.
0:26:00 > 0:26:04And...I didn't see my mother getting buried.
0:26:04 > 0:26:07I found Pandora's Box just opened up.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10I'd seen Jim Wray getting shot on Bloody Sunday.
0:26:11 > 0:26:13I'd seen...
0:26:13 > 0:26:17I had two apprentices who had worked with me at one time.
0:26:17 > 0:26:22One was blown up on the back road, murdered by the IRA.
0:26:22 > 0:26:29The other fella was shot in the back, down in Granshaw, shot by the SAS.
0:26:29 > 0:26:31So I had had enough of death.
0:26:34 > 0:26:37I remember being in the church that morning.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40Siobhan, your wife, and others came to comfort you,
0:26:40 > 0:26:44and you were brought into the pew. Is that right?
0:26:44 > 0:26:45Am I remembering this right?
0:26:45 > 0:26:50I remember sitting down the pew, I remember crying because to me,
0:26:50 > 0:26:55it was a case of going through the whole death process again
0:26:55 > 0:26:59with my father, and then my mother. I was releasing.
0:26:59 > 0:27:01I was letting everything go at that stage because I wasn't just
0:27:01 > 0:27:04thinking about my mother, I was thinking about my father.
0:27:04 > 0:27:09And since my father dying, I never had the opportunity to...
0:27:12 > 0:27:13..let my feelings known.
0:27:13 > 0:27:18If we are going to bring into focus the shared future,
0:27:18 > 0:27:22the past maybe just has to be separated from it.
0:27:22 > 0:27:27That is not to say that I am wanting to jettison the past or cover
0:27:27 > 0:27:29it up or overlook it because I don't.
0:27:29 > 0:27:32We are divided because of the past.
0:27:32 > 0:27:34I think Protestants
0:27:34 > 0:27:38and Catholics have to really tune into what the Queen said
0:27:38 > 0:27:41when she was with President McAleese down in Dublin.
0:27:41 > 0:27:46When she said, with the benefit of historical hindsight, you know,
0:27:46 > 0:27:48would we do things the same way again?
0:27:48 > 0:27:54And the chances are, we would never do things the same way again.
0:27:54 > 0:28:00Do you remember seeing your dad that day? I do, yes.
0:28:00 > 0:28:04A man that morning said that he would have been in his office,
0:28:04 > 0:28:10the workshop there. And I would have come from this direction here.
0:28:10 > 0:28:12And I would have walked across the square.
0:28:13 > 0:28:16He was walking from here towards me.
0:28:16 > 0:28:19We acknowledged a few words and just waved.
0:28:20 > 0:28:23That was the last time I saw him.
0:28:23 > 0:28:26Cecilia Byrne, also "Sissy" Byrne, she would say to your daddy,
0:28:26 > 0:28:31something like, "Are we OK for that driving lesson?"
0:28:31 > 0:28:33Or they had an arrangement.
0:28:33 > 0:28:37And they are both going to get into that car at 1pm,
0:28:37 > 0:28:40and they are going to drive out of here. Yes.
0:28:40 > 0:28:42Nobody knowing that the bomb is in the car.
0:28:42 > 0:28:45Welcome to Bright Brand New Day.
0:28:45 > 0:28:48Thank you all for taking the time for joining us.
0:28:48 > 0:28:52Martin Luther King III coming to Derry, Londonderry.
0:28:52 > 0:29:01A generation ago his father inspired multitudes around the world to lift
0:29:01 > 0:29:03and see something better.
0:29:05 > 0:29:07We have a conflict of a different kind,
0:29:07 > 0:29:09a low intensity kind of conflict.
0:29:09 > 0:29:12The hatred is there, that's not what we need,
0:29:12 > 0:29:14that's not what our young people want.
0:29:17 > 0:29:19So we have to bring somebody in
0:29:19 > 0:29:22that's going to draw attention to that.
0:29:23 > 0:29:29And I think he's going to be the key that's going to open the lock
0:29:29 > 0:29:30to push the door.
0:29:30 > 0:29:35Both my father and grandmother were victims of gun violence.
0:29:36 > 0:29:39And I know how deep and lasting this hurt can be.
0:29:39 > 0:29:45But we must remember that those who we have lost to tragedy
0:29:45 > 0:29:54would not want us to marinate in bitterness and revenge.
0:29:54 > 0:29:55I find that strange.
0:29:56 > 0:30:01It's strange maybe in a sense because it was easier not to talk
0:30:01 > 0:30:04because if we talked you hurt people and you hurt each other
0:30:04 > 0:30:06and people had deep feelings then.
0:30:06 > 0:30:10Like, I loved my father, the rest of my family, my father as well
0:30:10 > 0:30:14and to talk about them, you're only creating hurt.
0:30:15 > 0:30:20Now my father had a dream for making the entire world a better place.
0:30:20 > 0:30:24He talked about creating the beloved community
0:30:24 > 0:30:26in which people of every race and religion and nation
0:30:26 > 0:30:29could live together in peace and harmony.
0:30:29 > 0:30:32Black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles,
0:30:32 > 0:30:36Protestants and Catholics will be able to join hands
0:30:36 > 0:30:40and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last!
0:30:40 > 0:30:46"Free at last! Thank God Almighty we are free at last."
0:30:46 > 0:30:48APPLAUSE
0:30:50 > 0:30:54You can win a victory in your neighbourhood.
0:30:54 > 0:30:57You can win a victory in your places of worship.
0:30:57 > 0:31:01You can win a victory in your city.
0:31:01 > 0:31:04Some of us may win victories in our nation,
0:31:04 > 0:31:06some others, some few,
0:31:06 > 0:31:09may win victories in our world
0:31:09 > 0:31:13but what those words basically mean are, "Be ashamed to die
0:31:13 > 0:31:17"until you've done a little something to make the world in which
0:31:17 > 0:31:21"we all must live a little better than it was when you arrived."
0:31:21 > 0:31:24Thank you and may God bless each and every one of you, always.
0:31:24 > 0:31:27'Events that have transpired within my own community
0:31:27 > 0:31:31to do with the flags dispute have generated a nervousness
0:31:31 > 0:31:34within the Protestant unionist loyalist community.
0:31:34 > 0:31:37I would have loved to have had the British Government,
0:31:37 > 0:31:42the Irish Government, representatives of PSNI or RUC
0:31:42 > 0:31:46as well as loyalists and republican paramilitaries.
0:31:46 > 0:31:51It would have been lovely to have heard them agree
0:31:51 > 0:31:55to certain words that could have...
0:31:55 > 0:31:58that could have connected with those who are hurting.
0:31:58 > 0:32:01My friends,
0:32:01 > 0:32:05gathered in this Guildhall Square in such large numbers,
0:32:05 > 0:32:08let me invite those of you who are on the platform to stand.
0:32:08 > 0:32:10APPLAUSE
0:32:10 > 0:32:12'What we have got is a formula'
0:32:12 > 0:32:16of words very carefully chosen,
0:32:16 > 0:32:19pastoral words,
0:32:19 > 0:32:23words that you wouldn't just normally associate with a politician.
0:32:23 > 0:32:26It's with a sense of sadness.
0:32:26 > 0:32:32Those words will convey to the people who are carrying a cross,
0:32:32 > 0:32:36a heavy cross,
0:32:36 > 0:32:41those words will help to
0:32:41 > 0:32:45convey a message that the people that we tend to think
0:32:45 > 0:32:49who did all the wrong, as if the rest of us
0:32:49 > 0:32:52'all did what was right, it will assist them to see that the people
0:32:52 > 0:32:56'they think who did all the wrong, that you know there is a sense
0:32:56 > 0:33:00'there's some compassion starting to percolate down
0:33:00 > 0:33:02'through their hearts and minds.
0:33:02 > 0:33:05'They're beginning to feel for the people who have lost.'
0:33:05 > 0:33:08Let us hold up our hands and say together these words.
0:33:08 > 0:33:11Mindful of our brief time on Earth,
0:33:11 > 0:33:15it is with a sense of sadness
0:33:15 > 0:33:20we recall the grief stricken experiences of thousands of people
0:33:20 > 0:33:24from our community, occasioned by violent conflict.
0:33:26 > 0:33:28While bowing to the past
0:33:28 > 0:33:31yet refusing to be bound BY the past,
0:33:31 > 0:33:35it is the prospect of the future which is ours to shape
0:33:35 > 0:33:38that beckons us now.
0:33:38 > 0:33:44We therefore pledge ourselves to ensure this will never happen again
0:33:44 > 0:33:50as we turn our eyes towards the dawn of a new day.
0:33:50 > 0:33:53God is going to give us a new day.
0:33:53 > 0:33:54I believe it!
0:33:54 > 0:33:57APPLAUSE
0:34:05 > 0:34:11Here we are at the junction of the Limavady Road and May Street.
0:34:19 > 0:34:23I understand it was my daddy drove up Bonds Street,
0:34:23 > 0:34:26came down to this junction,
0:34:26 > 0:34:29went to take a right and a bomb went off.
0:34:30 > 0:34:33I was working in here
0:34:33 > 0:34:37and we were told by the foreman to come up with ladders
0:34:37 > 0:34:39and start removing the broken glass.
0:34:41 > 0:34:44Um, I was removing the glass from the second window there
0:34:46 > 0:34:50and when I was there, looking out, and I seen a blue Escort.
0:34:52 > 0:34:54I seen the ambulance men to the left,
0:34:54 > 0:34:57the police.
0:34:57 > 0:35:01There were other people there as well, some people were picking up
0:35:01 > 0:35:03body parts.
0:35:05 > 0:35:07I just carried on with my work.
0:35:07 > 0:35:08For a second I looked out,
0:35:08 > 0:35:12I seen the wing of the car being a different colour
0:35:12 > 0:35:15from the rest of the car and I thought for a moment,
0:35:15 > 0:35:19"Could have been our car," but it was just a notion.
0:35:19 > 0:35:22Just for a moment. Just a flash, that's all it was. Yes.
0:35:22 > 0:35:27Our thoughts to be kind, our talents to bring joy,
0:35:27 > 0:35:33our compassion to bring peace, to make the world a better place.
0:35:33 > 0:35:34APPLAUSE
0:35:34 > 0:35:37I didn't want to hear my father's name mentioned.
0:35:37 > 0:35:40Um...I didn't want to talk about him blowing up.
0:35:40 > 0:35:43I didn't want to talk about seeing his body.
0:35:43 > 0:35:47I didn't want to talk about seeing what happened here,
0:35:47 > 0:35:49regards picking up body parts
0:35:49 > 0:35:54and identifying the body, it was just a mess.
0:35:56 > 0:36:05So the simplest way for me to do that was just not to,
0:36:05 > 0:36:07How was your health?
0:36:07 > 0:36:09Health was very poor and I suffered big-time.
0:36:11 > 0:36:14I've now been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress,
0:36:14 > 0:36:18probably been suffering for this past 30 years or more.
0:36:18 > 0:36:20And very shortly, ladies and gentlemen,
0:36:20 > 0:36:24we're going to have our peace flame...
0:36:27 > 0:36:28..lit.
0:36:29 > 0:36:32DRUMS PLAY
0:36:35 > 0:36:39APPLAUSE Our peace flame has been ignited!
0:36:41 > 0:36:45Where are you at now with the people who killed -
0:36:45 > 0:36:50we're on the very spot - that killed your daddy and killed Mrs Byrne/
0:36:50 > 0:36:52Where are you at with them now in your heart?
0:36:52 > 0:36:54I find forgiveness for them.
0:36:54 > 0:36:56You find forgiveness for them? Yes.
0:36:56 > 0:36:58Where have you found that forgiveness?
0:36:58 > 0:37:00How did that come about?
0:37:00 > 0:37:03Through hard work and one of the things was
0:37:03 > 0:37:06I have never given an interview, I have never talked about my father,
0:37:06 > 0:37:08I have never discussed it, I have never...
0:37:08 > 0:37:11The only thing I have ever done was gone to the papers 25 years later
0:37:11 > 0:37:14so it was a whole clearing process,
0:37:14 > 0:37:17but I needed this, you know?
0:37:17 > 0:37:19My family needs it.
0:37:19 > 0:37:23You needed a clearing process? Yes, yes. You know?
0:37:23 > 0:37:26And I think it's fair to give my father a fair hearing
0:37:26 > 0:37:30and Mrs Byrne, they deserve at least that
0:37:30 > 0:37:34and I have moved on and I've moved forward,
0:37:34 > 0:37:36it's just time for moving on anyway.
0:37:36 > 0:37:41'As we turn our eyes towards the dawn of a new day,
0:37:41 > 0:37:45'God is going to give us a new day. I believe it!'
0:37:45 > 0:37:49APPLAUSE
0:37:49 > 0:37:53The future's fine and it's lovely for the children,
0:37:53 > 0:37:56especially schoolchildren, to understand what peace is
0:37:56 > 0:37:57and to show a beacon of light.
0:37:59 > 0:38:03But for 38 years, not alone have I suffered
0:38:03 > 0:38:06and my family suffered, but there's other people out there -
0:38:06 > 0:38:09you can call them victims or survivors -
0:38:09 > 0:38:13who suffered a lot but they almost seem to be getting left behind.
0:38:21 > 0:38:23Do you feel a victim?
0:38:23 > 0:38:25No.
0:38:25 > 0:38:27I know I seem quick to answer that question.
0:38:27 > 0:38:30I'm not a victim, I'm a survivor.
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