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0:00:07 > 0:00:10September 21st last year, Nairobi, Kenya.
0:00:12 > 0:00:14Islamist gunmen rampage through a shopping mall.
0:00:14 > 0:00:19They murder in cold blood at least 67 innocent people,
0:00:19 > 0:00:21including children.
0:00:22 > 0:00:27As the gunmen run amok, a 29-year-old white English woman,
0:00:27 > 0:00:30the widow of one of the 7/7 suicide bombers,
0:00:30 > 0:00:32is accused of masterminding the attack.
0:00:34 > 0:00:38Interpol quickly add her to the list of the world's most wanted
0:00:38 > 0:00:42criminals, but who is Samantha Lewthwaite?
0:00:42 > 0:00:47I would say she was your typical innocent, British, English rose.
0:00:49 > 0:00:52But this English rose married a suicide bomber.
0:00:53 > 0:00:57She must have known a lot of what was going on
0:00:57 > 0:00:59and chose not to disclose it.
0:01:01 > 0:01:05Her and her bomber husband's inspiration was an Islamist cleric
0:01:05 > 0:01:07imprisoned for inciting murder.
0:01:07 > 0:01:10He speaks about her for the first time.
0:01:10 > 0:01:15She lost her husband in the 7/7 bombing, so I would think
0:01:15 > 0:01:20she would be sad, but when she came she was jovial, she looked happy.
0:01:20 > 0:01:24The persona that she came across is like it's business as usual for her.
0:01:24 > 0:01:26Life goes on.
0:01:26 > 0:01:29Now she's on the run, evading the police through
0:01:29 > 0:01:31a series of African countries.
0:01:31 > 0:01:34My children have said they've taken sweets from her.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37I didn't think she was dangerous.
0:01:37 > 0:01:41She was always dressed with her veil, hooded over.
0:01:41 > 0:01:47She had a big old white Mercedes, which you notice.
0:01:47 > 0:01:51The newspapers would be knocking on people's doors,
0:01:51 > 0:01:53she just said to me don't say anything.
0:01:55 > 0:02:00Can this English rose really be some kind of terrorist mastermind?
0:02:00 > 0:02:02Or is she more concerned with shopping and slimming?
0:02:02 > 0:02:06The Islamic domestic goddess that she describes in her diary.
0:02:06 > 0:02:11When a man comes home, wife beautiful, food prepared,
0:02:11 > 0:02:15kids clean, this is like Halal magic.
0:02:17 > 0:02:20But can anyone find the White Widow?
0:02:21 > 0:02:25Samantha, Samantha, Samantha, if she can keep the intelligence services
0:02:25 > 0:02:30of the world on their toes for so long, then she's a super lady.
0:02:30 > 0:02:34I wish I knew where she was, I want to propose to her.
0:02:57 > 0:03:02'The 22nd September, 2013.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05'I'm in the air, destination Nairobi.
0:03:05 > 0:03:11'We're 24 hours into the Westgate siege. The shooting continues.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21'Witnesses say the gunmen asked shoppers if they're Muslim -
0:03:21 > 0:03:24'can they recite the Koran?
0:03:24 > 0:03:27'Unbelievers are shown no mercy.
0:03:27 > 0:03:31'As I arrive, a Somali Islamist group, al-Shabab,
0:03:31 > 0:03:33'an affiliate of al-Qaeda,
0:03:33 > 0:03:37'claim responsibility for the attack that's still going on.'
0:03:45 > 0:03:46'For the last four months,
0:03:46 > 0:03:50'I've been on the trail of Samantha Lewthwaite, the White Widow.
0:03:52 > 0:03:54'Now, everyone's after her.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57'Some of the British press claim that she's inside,
0:03:57 > 0:03:59'masterminding the operation.'
0:04:08 > 0:04:11And do you think Samantha Lewthwaite is inside?
0:04:29 > 0:04:32After four days, the siege ends.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35The four Somali gunmen are believed dead.
0:04:35 > 0:04:40There are no signs that Samantha Lewthwaite was involved,
0:04:40 > 0:04:42but rumours don't stop.
0:04:42 > 0:04:46There are reports of her masterminding shadowy plots
0:04:46 > 0:04:50in Yemen, and that she's linked to elephant poaching in order
0:04:50 > 0:04:52to raise money for al-Shabab.
0:04:54 > 0:04:58And there's even an Islamist Twitter account where she's supposed
0:04:58 > 0:05:02to say things like, "In Islam there's no choice,
0:05:02 > 0:05:07"it's not like, do I watch EastEnders or Corrie tonight?"
0:05:08 > 0:05:12Is she a terrorist, or just a make-believe she-devil,
0:05:12 > 0:05:17and what strange journey has this suburban English schoolgirl taken?
0:05:23 > 0:05:27Samantha Lewthwaite's story begins in the Home Counties
0:05:27 > 0:05:29town of Aylesbury.
0:05:30 > 0:05:34Born in 1983, she lived in a terraced house with her mum
0:05:34 > 0:05:38and dad, a former soldier who fought in Northern Ireland
0:05:38 > 0:05:41and then went into the building trade.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44Her best friend from childhood was a young Muslim girl who
0:05:44 > 0:05:46lived across the street.
0:05:46 > 0:05:48Samantha became a fixture in their home.
0:05:50 > 0:05:54She was a young girl curious about the teachings of the Koran.
0:05:55 > 0:05:59Ramadan is the month chosen by God for Muslims to fast.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02Allah loves those who fast.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07As she grew up, Samantha explored her interest in Islam.
0:06:07 > 0:06:11She'd go to the neighbouring families' parties
0:06:11 > 0:06:13and religious events.
0:06:13 > 0:06:15One member of the extended family
0:06:15 > 0:06:18was the one-time mayor of Aylesbury, Raj Khan.
0:06:18 > 0:06:25Samantha was one of very few white young girls who dared to move
0:06:25 > 0:06:27over to the other side.
0:06:27 > 0:06:33I would say she was your typical innocent, British, English rose,
0:06:33 > 0:06:35she was your average British girl,
0:06:35 > 0:06:40playing, hopping and skipping with the other kids at norm.
0:06:42 > 0:06:45Aged 12, in 1996, she went to The Grange School.
0:06:47 > 0:06:51I've contacted dozens of her school mates and teachers.
0:06:51 > 0:06:55Many are embarrassed by their association with Samantha,
0:06:55 > 0:06:59but surprisingly they also don't want to talk on camera,
0:06:59 > 0:07:02because they liked her, and want to protect her memory.
0:07:04 > 0:07:07The picture I'm given is of a compassionate teenager
0:07:07 > 0:07:10who seemed to care desperately about social justice.
0:07:15 > 0:07:21And then, in her A-level year, 9/11, and the invasion of Afghanistan.
0:07:21 > 0:07:26It was an odd time perhaps to be drawn towards Islam, but many were.
0:07:27 > 0:07:309/11 happened, Muslims were on the news,
0:07:30 > 0:07:32Muslims are getting arrested, Muslims are getting this -
0:07:32 > 0:07:35people who said they hate Muslims, whatever, they said no, no,
0:07:35 > 0:07:38I want a Koran, I want Islam, I want to know about Islam, da da da.
0:07:38 > 0:07:40So, a lot of people wanted to know about Islam
0:07:40 > 0:07:44after 9/11, which is a very, for me, a very strange thing.
0:07:45 > 0:07:50Aged 18 a year after 9/11, Samantha got an A in
0:07:50 > 0:07:54A level religious studies and won a place at London University.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00Only then did she formally convert to Islam.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05All praises are for Allah alone. Him alone we worship,
0:08:05 > 0:08:07and he alone we ask for help.
0:08:09 > 0:08:11May the peace and blessings of Allah
0:08:11 > 0:08:15be upon the messenger of Allah and all his companions.
0:08:17 > 0:08:21Aylesbury's Muslim community seems moderate, peaceful and decent.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25It doesn't seem to be the place to foment the ideas of holy war.
0:08:27 > 0:08:32Well, I don't think that there is anybody at all in the Aylesbury
0:08:32 > 0:08:36area that I have heard or know about that would be engaged with
0:08:36 > 0:08:39any kind of promoting jihadis.
0:08:39 > 0:08:43But from Aylesbury there was already a long-established
0:08:43 > 0:08:47and well-trodden path towards different kinds of Islamic ideas,
0:08:47 > 0:08:51and that story begins in the strangest of places.
0:08:53 > 0:08:5518 in the charts, with 20 Seconds To Comply,
0:08:55 > 0:08:57this is Silver Bullet.
0:08:57 > 0:09:0120 seconds to comply!
0:09:02 > 0:09:04In the early 1990s, of all places,
0:09:04 > 0:09:07Aylesbury played an important part in British hip-hop.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13Two hip-hop crews, Caveman and Silver Bullet, raced up the charts.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16Aylesbury was becoming like, yeah, what's happening?
0:09:16 > 0:09:19Aylesbury, Aylesbury's kind of popping at the moment.
0:09:19 > 0:09:20It's not the Bronx.
0:09:20 > 0:09:23No, it's not the Bronx, but that's showing you,
0:09:23 > 0:09:25that's showing you, though, that, yeah, there was a time.
0:09:27 > 0:09:29Foreshadowing Samantha's choice,
0:09:29 > 0:09:32a few of the dancers and DJs from these hip-hop crews
0:09:32 > 0:09:35who were brought up as Christians converted to Islam.
0:09:38 > 0:09:43A large majority of Afro-Caribbean African Muslims in the UK
0:09:43 > 0:09:47in the '90s who converted to Islam were influenced by hip-hop
0:09:47 > 0:09:50and influenced by Malcolm X.
0:09:50 > 0:09:54Ismael Lea South was also a new convert at this time,
0:09:54 > 0:09:57and an acquaintance of the Aylesbury rappers and DJs.
0:09:59 > 0:10:02Because Aylesbury's a big Indo-Pakistani community,
0:10:02 > 0:10:06so a lot of the Afro-Caribbean/mixed race
0:10:06 > 0:10:13and white English as well who embrace Islam from that area, many
0:10:13 > 0:10:16of them, they could not fit in with the Indo-Pakistani brand of Islam -
0:10:16 > 0:10:18they just never feel comfortable.
0:10:18 > 0:10:23Aylesbury crew, they found London more vibrant, so a lot of them
0:10:23 > 0:10:28came to London, because London was starting to have more
0:10:28 > 0:10:31English-speaking imams, scholars and learned people.
0:10:31 > 0:10:35And some members of those crews came to listen to a particularly
0:10:35 > 0:10:40fiery Jamaican preacher called Sheikh Abdullah al-Faisal.
0:10:40 > 0:10:46"Al-Baraa" means to recognise who your enemies are
0:10:46 > 0:10:51and to hate them and to exterminate them in their endeavour
0:10:51 > 0:10:54to get rid of your deen al-Islam.
0:10:54 > 0:10:59Every week hundreds of people, including some from Aylesbury,
0:10:59 > 0:11:01would attend Sheikh al-Faisal's lectures,
0:11:01 > 0:11:05jimmas, at this north London community centre.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07Yeah, Sheikh Faisal, his jimma, yeah, yeah, yeah,
0:11:07 > 0:11:10he's talking about current issues, he's relating it to the Koran and
0:11:10 > 0:11:13hadiths and he's speaking English - whoa, that's the jimma to go.
0:11:13 > 0:11:15It was a group of them, I think,
0:11:15 > 0:11:21two car loads who used to come there from High Wycombe and Aylesbury.
0:11:21 > 0:11:28I remember them by face, but... I had so many friends or associates
0:11:28 > 0:11:31in the UK, it's difficult to remember all their names.
0:11:33 > 0:11:36Samantha Lewthwaite seemed also to have followed this path.
0:11:36 > 0:11:41In the early 2000s she passed on a DVD of Sheikh al-Faisal's sermons,
0:11:41 > 0:11:45telling her friend he wasn't as bad as the media suggested.
0:11:45 > 0:11:48And not long afterwards, Samantha was to become very much
0:11:48 > 0:11:52a part of the wider community around Sheikh al-Faisal.
0:12:00 > 0:12:03Around this time, al-Faisal was constantly touring Britain,
0:12:03 > 0:12:07and on a visit to the north the preacher met a 17-year-old
0:12:07 > 0:12:10Jamaican from Huddersfield called Germaine Lindsay,
0:12:10 > 0:12:14who'd go on to become Samantha's suicide bomber husband.
0:12:17 > 0:12:23He was very quiet and soft spoken, he came across as an introvert.
0:12:23 > 0:12:28He didn't speak much, but he came across as a fervent Muslim.
0:12:28 > 0:12:32Like many young black males, they want a father figure.
0:12:32 > 0:12:33He came across like that.
0:12:35 > 0:12:38I wouldn't say I became his father figure.
0:12:38 > 0:12:43I became someone that he took his Islamic knowledge from.
0:12:43 > 0:12:49In the autumn of 2002, Samantha was given Germaine's e-mail address.
0:12:51 > 0:12:55They met for the first time on a stop-the-war demo.
0:12:55 > 0:12:57Today also saw a relatively new
0:12:57 > 0:13:01and increasingly loud voice among protesters, that of British Muslims.
0:13:01 > 0:13:03Since September 11th last year,
0:13:03 > 0:13:07many young Muslims have become more politicised.
0:13:07 > 0:13:10Meeting Germaine Lindsay, who went by the Muslim name Jamal,
0:13:10 > 0:13:12was a pivotal moment.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17A few weeks after starting London University,
0:13:17 > 0:13:2118-year-old Samantha dropped out and married him almost immediately.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25We didn't want an arranged marriage,
0:13:25 > 0:13:29so I guess in a way we kind of arranged our own.
0:13:30 > 0:13:33The Jamal I met and married was a man of peace.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38We found we were very much alike and kindred spirits.
0:13:40 > 0:13:43He wanted to qualify as a human rights lawyer
0:13:43 > 0:13:46and I was a member of an Amnesty International group at school.
0:13:46 > 0:13:51We wanted to make a difference to the world through peaceful means.
0:13:51 > 0:13:53We were married in the front room in a simple
0:13:53 > 0:13:55ceremony in front of an imam.
0:13:56 > 0:13:58My father didn't approve, and stayed away.
0:13:58 > 0:14:02He found it hard enough when I converted to Islam,
0:14:02 > 0:14:05without marrying a Muslim I'd hardly met.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08Over the next years, their marriage prospered.
0:14:08 > 0:14:13In April 2004, 20-year-old Samantha gave birth to their first child,
0:14:13 > 0:14:18and by the summer of 2005 she was heavily pregnant again.
0:14:21 > 0:14:25On the morning of 7th July, 19-year-old Germaine Lindsay
0:14:25 > 0:14:28arrived at Luton railway station at 5am.
0:14:31 > 0:14:35He spent a few hours wandering around by himself.
0:14:37 > 0:14:41Then he met three other men, including their leader,
0:14:41 > 0:14:45Mohammad Sidique Khan, also a follower of Sheikh al-Faisal.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52All four young men then took the train to London.
0:14:59 > 0:15:00At 8.50am,
0:15:00 > 0:15:04Germaine was standing in the front carriage of a Piccadilly Line
0:15:04 > 0:15:06train as it left King's Cross.
0:15:07 > 0:15:09He detonated his bomb.
0:15:11 > 0:15:14We're still desperately waiting for emergency services, we've got
0:15:14 > 0:15:15two major incidents.
0:15:15 > 0:15:19Yeah, the emergency services have issued a system-wide code amber.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23Germaine Lindsay killed himself and 26 others,
0:15:23 > 0:15:26half of the total number of fatal victims, that day.
0:15:43 > 0:15:47After the bombing, Samantha waited for six days at their home
0:15:47 > 0:15:50before she told the police her husband was missing.
0:15:52 > 0:15:55Simon Davis was a member of the Metropolitan Police Anti-Terror
0:15:55 > 0:15:58Squad investigating the bombings.
0:15:59 > 0:16:05Samantha Lewthwaite, her name did pop up very, very quickly.
0:16:05 > 0:16:10Is she a sobbing, doting wife who didn't know what was occurring?
0:16:10 > 0:16:17Or was she a bystander who chose not to get any further involved?
0:16:18 > 0:16:22In the end, the authorities chose not to charge her.
0:16:23 > 0:16:25Not everyone seemed to agree.
0:16:25 > 0:16:30Two weeks after 7/7, two local lads fire-bombed her house.
0:16:30 > 0:16:34A pregnant Samantha was given police protection for her own safety.
0:16:34 > 0:16:39The wife of the London tube bomber Germaine Lindsay has been
0:16:39 > 0:16:41speaking for the first time since the attacks.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43She's condemned his actions
0:16:43 > 0:16:47and said his mind had been poisoned by Muslim fanatics.
0:16:47 > 0:16:50Jamal is accountable for his actions, 100%,
0:16:50 > 0:16:54and I condemn with all my heart what he has done.
0:16:56 > 0:17:00I will try for my children's sake to remember the Jamal I loved,
0:17:00 > 0:17:02and I will raise them
0:17:02 > 0:17:05knowing that their father was a man who truly loved them.
0:17:05 > 0:17:09But the day will come when I have to tell them what he did.
0:17:09 > 0:17:14I just hope people will understand I had nothing to do with this.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16We are victims as well.
0:17:17 > 0:17:22Samantha was paid for the interview, but was she telling the truth?
0:17:26 > 0:17:30The 7/7 conspiracy was hatched in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire,
0:17:30 > 0:17:32in the year before the bombing.
0:17:34 > 0:17:37According to evidence from the 7/7 inquest,
0:17:37 > 0:17:40she was a frequent visitor with her husband Germaine Lindsay
0:17:40 > 0:17:44to the house of Mohammad Sidique Khan, the ringleader.
0:17:46 > 0:17:48A neighbour remembers.
0:17:48 > 0:17:52Mohammad Sidique Khan, he didn't talk to anybody.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55He just kept a very, very secret life to himself.
0:17:55 > 0:17:59People around here, 99% people go to the mosque.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03This person, Mohammad Sidique Khan, he never went to the mosque.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07On one occasion I remember the white woman, but I didn't really
0:18:07 > 0:18:11recognise her because she had her veil on her face.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15Actually, I used to see her come in from my top window once or twice.
0:18:15 > 0:18:19In particular, Samantha and Germaine stayed in Khan's house
0:18:19 > 0:18:22in December 2004 when he wasn't there.
0:18:31 > 0:18:34He was preparing for 7/7,
0:18:34 > 0:18:38being taught how to build bombs in al-Qaeda training camps in Pakistan.
0:18:39 > 0:18:43You look at the case of Germaine Lindsay and her, she must
0:18:43 > 0:18:49have known a lot of what was going on and chose not to disclose it.
0:18:49 > 0:18:51There's no doubt in my mind.
0:18:51 > 0:18:54But these judgments are all in hindsight.
0:18:57 > 0:19:02In 2006, aged 22, Samantha was a mother of two children.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07She moved into this flat in Hilton Avenue, Aylesbury.
0:19:08 > 0:19:12Shirley Anwar, now a fellow convert to Islam, was her neighbour.
0:19:12 > 0:19:16We used to see each other in passing really when she used to come
0:19:16 > 0:19:19out of her door to go downstairs and meet her mum.
0:19:19 > 0:19:22Her mum used to come in the car and Samantha used to go in the car
0:19:22 > 0:19:25with her children and then they'd come back together
0:19:25 > 0:19:27and bring the shopping up the stairs, and, like I said,
0:19:27 > 0:19:31the mother used to visit regularly, sort of on a daily basis, I'd say,
0:19:31 > 0:19:34and she seemed to have a very close relationship with her mum.
0:19:36 > 0:19:38And I think that Samantha did tell me
0:19:38 > 0:19:42that her mum had just converted as well and wore a headscarf
0:19:42 > 0:19:45all the time, very similar to the way Samantha used to dress as well.
0:19:46 > 0:19:49I saw her dad on a couple of occasions. I think he was coming in
0:19:49 > 0:19:51to do some work.
0:19:51 > 0:19:53From what Shirley tells me,
0:19:53 > 0:19:56there does seem to have been some reconciliation with her family.
0:19:56 > 0:20:00They all took a big trip to Disneyland Paris,
0:20:00 > 0:20:02but what was going on in Samantha's mind?
0:20:03 > 0:20:09The situation is such that many times your own family,
0:20:09 > 0:20:11mothers and fathers,
0:20:11 > 0:20:15cannot even know you are a mujahid, a fighter.
0:20:17 > 0:20:20It means you are a stranger amongst your own family and friends.
0:20:24 > 0:20:28I never saw Samantha with anybody else.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31I never saw lots of people visiting the house.
0:20:31 > 0:20:36There were a couple of occasions where the newspapers would be
0:20:36 > 0:20:38knocking on people's door. She just said to me,
0:20:38 > 0:20:42"If you get anybody knock on the door just don't say anything."
0:20:44 > 0:20:48At this point Samantha had a choice - life as a single parent
0:20:48 > 0:20:55in a small town, or to build on her reputation as the wife of a martyr.
0:20:55 > 0:21:01Losing her husband, I feel that she became a little bit of a figurehead.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05In some circles, the credibility was raised,
0:21:05 > 0:21:08her notoriety was raised.
0:21:08 > 0:21:12Post-event, perhaps one year afterwards,
0:21:12 > 0:21:15someone, whether it was the police or whoever, should have looked at her
0:21:15 > 0:21:18and said, "Could this lead the catalyst to other events?"
0:21:18 > 0:21:22In the two or three years after 7/7,
0:21:22 > 0:21:26Samantha was moving in circles of fervent Muslims.
0:21:26 > 0:21:29Kerry Bullivant knew some of her friends.
0:21:29 > 0:21:33From some of the people that I know of that had discussions
0:21:33 > 0:21:36with her, it would seem that she was looking for a husband
0:21:36 > 0:21:40who was still looking to be involved in violent jihad.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43In a way these guys are kind of like a rock star,
0:21:43 > 0:21:46do you know what I mean? They're on the edges of society.
0:21:46 > 0:21:48They're not willing to play by the rules.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50Some people find that sort of bad boy
0:21:50 > 0:21:54and on the edge of the law quite attractive. That, in their eyes,
0:21:54 > 0:22:00are brave enough and strong enough to be willing to sacrifice everything.
0:22:04 > 0:22:08So what happened next in Samantha Lewthwaite's life?
0:22:11 > 0:22:14I think there's only one person who might have an insight -
0:22:14 > 0:22:18the preacher who inspired her, Sheikh al-Faisal.
0:22:18 > 0:22:22He'd been released from a UK prison in 2007
0:22:22 > 0:22:26and immediately deported, having served four years
0:22:26 > 0:22:29for inciting murder, for saying things like, "If you see a Hindu
0:22:29 > 0:22:32"walking down the road, you're allowed to kill him."
0:22:40 > 0:22:43I've tracked him down to the north coast of Jamaica
0:22:43 > 0:22:47and the first thing he tells me is jaw-dropping.
0:22:47 > 0:22:52The first time I met her was when she came to visit me in prison.
0:22:52 > 0:22:55That was 2006.
0:22:55 > 0:22:59That prison was Long Lartin in Worcestershire.
0:22:59 > 0:23:03Sheikh al-Faisal has never told a journalist before
0:23:03 > 0:23:06about his friendship with Samantha.
0:23:06 > 0:23:09Surprisingly when she came to visit me,
0:23:09 > 0:23:14she didn't seem like she was sad or she had the world on her shoulders.
0:23:14 > 0:23:18It was a very pleasant, pleasant visit.
0:23:18 > 0:23:21And why did that surprise you?
0:23:21 > 0:23:25Because she lost her husband in the 7/7 bombing,
0:23:25 > 0:23:27so I would think she would be sad
0:23:27 > 0:23:30but when she came, she was jovial, she looked happy.
0:23:30 > 0:23:33She didn't look sad,
0:23:33 > 0:23:37and the persona that she came across is like,
0:23:37 > 0:23:39it's business as usual for her. Life goes on.
0:23:40 > 0:23:43While living under police protection in Aylesbury,
0:23:43 > 0:23:46it appears that Samantha was discretely nurturing
0:23:46 > 0:23:49her friendship with the jailed preacher.
0:23:49 > 0:23:53We kept in touch by telephone on a regular basis when I was in prison.
0:23:53 > 0:23:56Women are better on the phone than men.
0:23:57 > 0:23:59Men, they are careless on the phone.
0:23:59 > 0:24:02They say things that are incriminating,
0:24:02 > 0:24:05while women don't say any incriminating things on the phone.
0:24:05 > 0:24:10And when I was in prison, she looked after me to a certain extent.
0:24:10 > 0:24:13She always asked, "Do you need anything?"
0:24:13 > 0:24:16Because she's a very, very kind person.
0:24:16 > 0:24:19Anything I need, for example, books or clothing or cash,
0:24:19 > 0:24:22"You need anything, let me know, I'll send it."
0:24:22 > 0:24:27So it turns out that an Islamist preacher jailed for inciting murder
0:24:27 > 0:24:30was able to meet the wife of a suicide bomber
0:24:30 > 0:24:34under the watchful eye of the security services,
0:24:34 > 0:24:36yet seemingly they did nothing.
0:24:40 > 0:24:44As I talk to Sheikh al-Faisal, it's clear that his years in prison
0:24:44 > 0:24:48have done little to moderate his violent rhetoric.
0:24:48 > 0:24:51There are many people who have to be killed in Islam.
0:24:51 > 0:24:54You have to kill the apostates, you have to kill the homosexuals,
0:24:54 > 0:24:57you have to kill the man who dabbles in black magic,
0:24:57 > 0:25:00you have to kill the highway robber.
0:25:00 > 0:25:02It's called a purge.
0:25:02 > 0:25:06But what does Sheikh al-Faisal know about Samantha Lewthwaite
0:25:06 > 0:25:08after 2008?
0:25:08 > 0:25:13That year he tells me he was on a world tour starting in South Africa.
0:25:13 > 0:25:17It was there that once again his intervention would have
0:25:17 > 0:25:21a dramatic effect on the next step she would take.
0:25:21 > 0:25:24I had a meeting with some South Africans.
0:25:24 > 0:25:28It was about 20 people in the room
0:25:28 > 0:25:34and one of the men expressed a desire to marry a British girl
0:25:34 > 0:25:38and he expressed his preference for a white sister.
0:25:38 > 0:25:41So somebody said, "You need to speak to Sheikh Faisal
0:25:41 > 0:25:44"if you want to marry a white sister from the UK."
0:25:44 > 0:25:48So I immediately thought of Samantha,
0:25:48 > 0:25:50so I picked up my mobile and I rang her
0:25:50 > 0:25:53and said, "I've found you a potential husband."
0:25:53 > 0:25:57She didn't show any interest at first. She was shy.
0:25:58 > 0:26:01- I know her taste. - What is her taste?
0:26:01 > 0:26:04Her taste is that she would like to marry a young man
0:26:04 > 0:26:08who's of a different race, preferably black, from the black race,
0:26:08 > 0:26:12who is very handsome and very strong in the Muslim faith.
0:26:12 > 0:26:14That's her taste.
0:26:16 > 0:26:18On the way to the airport,
0:26:18 > 0:26:22Sheikh al-Faisal suddenly comes up with another surprise.
0:26:22 > 0:26:25He says he knows someone who might be in contact with Samantha.
0:26:25 > 0:26:27He offers to pass on an e-mail.
0:26:41 > 0:26:46Sheikh al-Faisal wishes me luck for my search in South Africa.
0:26:46 > 0:26:51He has fond memories of the warm embrace of his friends there.
0:27:18 > 0:27:22After Sheikh al-Faisal introduced Samantha to her future husband
0:27:22 > 0:27:25on the phone, she spent the next six weeks
0:27:25 > 0:27:30back at the flat in Hilton Avenue, Aylesbury, talking to him.
0:27:30 > 0:27:35Then she packed her bags and left England.
0:27:35 > 0:27:37She seemed to have just disappeared.
0:27:37 > 0:27:41I don't even...I'm not even aware whether the people, you know,
0:27:41 > 0:27:44the housing association knew that she was leaving
0:27:44 > 0:27:46because the people that moved in afterwards found
0:27:46 > 0:27:50lots of mail still for her so she hadn't left a forwarding address.
0:27:50 > 0:27:54I think there were some bills that hadn't been paid.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05So I'm following Samantha's trail to South Africa.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13Samantha arrived in Johannesburg in July 2008.
0:28:13 > 0:28:17She came with her two children, then aged four and two.
0:28:20 > 0:28:24When she came to Johannesburg, the Muslim community,
0:28:24 > 0:28:27they received her with open arms
0:28:27 > 0:28:30and she was given a red carpet treatment,
0:28:30 > 0:28:36so she arrived one day and got married the following day.
0:28:37 > 0:28:40When I spoke to my husband with the view of marriage, he told me
0:28:40 > 0:28:43he had been injured and glory be to Allah,
0:28:43 > 0:28:47he was concerned if this would affect my decision.
0:28:47 > 0:28:50But once I learned his injuries were sustained in the cause of Allah,
0:28:50 > 0:28:53it only made the decision easier.
0:28:53 > 0:28:56So who was this new husband?
0:28:56 > 0:28:58He's called Fahmi Salim.
0:28:58 > 0:29:03I can reveal that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, in 1985.
0:29:03 > 0:29:07That's 16 months younger than Samantha.
0:29:08 > 0:29:11And he was living in Johannesburg
0:29:11 > 0:29:16and he was a close friend of the home I was in.
0:29:16 > 0:29:22And he was treated like one of the family members because of his piety.
0:29:25 > 0:29:28Sheikh al-Faisal tells me that the head of the family
0:29:28 > 0:29:33that looked after Fahmi Salim was a man called Junaid Dockrat.
0:29:33 > 0:29:35Maybe he'll be able to tell me more about him
0:29:35 > 0:29:37and his romance with Samantha.
0:29:39 > 0:29:44One of Junaid Dockrat's businesses is a shop called Sniper Africa.
0:29:44 > 0:29:47It sells camouflage gear and hunting goods,
0:29:47 > 0:29:50but Junaid Dockrat doesn't want to talk to me.
0:29:51 > 0:29:56I'd also like to ask him about what the US government said in 2007,
0:29:56 > 0:29:59that Junaid Dockrat is an al-Qaeda financier,
0:29:59 > 0:30:01recruiter and facilitator.
0:30:01 > 0:30:06And they also claim he raised 120,000 for al-Qaeda.
0:30:06 > 0:30:09Previously he's strongly rejected these accusations
0:30:09 > 0:30:12and completely denies any involvement.
0:30:12 > 0:30:15The South African government seemed to support him
0:30:15 > 0:30:17as they prevented his name being added
0:30:17 > 0:30:19to a United Nations sanctions list.
0:30:21 > 0:30:23Apart from the Sniper shop,
0:30:23 > 0:30:28Junaid Dockrat's also a dentist with a practice just around the corner.
0:30:29 > 0:30:33Over the last few days I've rung Junaid Dockrat, I've e-mailed him
0:30:33 > 0:30:38and, rather surprisingly, I almost encountered him.
0:30:38 > 0:30:42He's up there right now seeing his dental patients,
0:30:42 > 0:30:45but, sadly, between me and him was a closed door
0:30:45 > 0:30:49and he told his receptionist he absolutely didn't want to see me.
0:30:49 > 0:30:53It's a shame he won't talk, but even then I doubt he'd have
0:30:53 > 0:30:58any idea about what was going through Samantha's love-struck mind.
0:30:58 > 0:31:02Allah blessed me with the best husband for me,
0:31:02 > 0:31:05in fact exactly what I'd asked for when I made dua before marriage.
0:31:05 > 0:31:10I asked for a man who would go forth, give all he could for
0:31:10 > 0:31:14Allah's cause and spend a life terrorising the disbelievers
0:31:14 > 0:31:16as they have us.
0:31:23 > 0:31:26Samantha's new life in Johannesburg seems to have been the model
0:31:26 > 0:31:30of middle class respectability.
0:31:30 > 0:31:34With a different name, she rented a house in a family-friendly
0:31:34 > 0:31:36garden suburb on the outskirts.
0:31:37 > 0:31:41I only ever saw her drive up and down in the road in her car
0:31:41 > 0:31:44with her children in the car with her,
0:31:44 > 0:31:49and yeah, like any other resident, I'd wave hello and that was it.
0:31:50 > 0:31:53My children have said they've taken sweets from her,
0:31:53 > 0:31:56so I didn't think she was dangerous.
0:31:56 > 0:32:03She was always dressed with her veil, hooded over, and that.
0:32:03 > 0:32:06I suppose you could say conservative,
0:32:06 > 0:32:10and she had a big old white Mercedes,
0:32:10 > 0:32:13which you notice.
0:32:13 > 0:32:17One thing I pick up from the neighbours and from Samantha's
0:32:17 > 0:32:22application to find a rented property, is that her husband Fahmi
0:32:22 > 0:32:26was often away on business, a very unconventional business, it seems.
0:32:28 > 0:32:29My husband has left me
0:32:29 > 0:32:32on many occasions to go out for Allah's cause.
0:32:32 > 0:32:35The pain of missing your husband
0:32:35 > 0:32:39and wishing to be in his presence is a test in itself.
0:32:39 > 0:32:41Then there are times you do not receive news of him
0:32:41 > 0:32:44for several weeks.
0:32:44 > 0:32:48The not knowing whether he is alive or gained Shahada -
0:32:48 > 0:32:52martyrdom - is enough to lose appetite and sleep.
0:32:53 > 0:32:59During those times, I felt how can I eat when I don't know where he is?
0:32:59 > 0:33:02How can I sleep when bombs are dropping on his head?
0:33:03 > 0:33:07Despite the frequent absences, during the two years in
0:33:07 > 0:33:10South Africa, Samantha's marriage to Fahmi Salim
0:33:10 > 0:33:12seems to have flourished.
0:33:13 > 0:33:18In July 2009, she had her third child, a son called Abdur-Rahman,
0:33:18 > 0:33:20at Stoke Mandeville Hospital
0:33:20 > 0:33:22while she was on a brief trip back to the UK.
0:33:27 > 0:33:31And within a few months, she'd fallen pregnant again.
0:33:31 > 0:33:37July 2010, she paid £380 in cash to an upmarket birthing centre,
0:33:37 > 0:33:40the Genesis Clinic in Johannesburg,
0:33:40 > 0:33:43for the water birth of her fourth child.
0:33:43 > 0:33:47The midwife said she arrived here dressed in a niqab
0:33:47 > 0:33:49with only her eyes showing.
0:33:52 > 0:33:55This picture was taken shortly after the birth.
0:33:55 > 0:33:58It seems that Samantha had got what she wanted,
0:33:58 > 0:34:01a committed husband and a growing family.
0:34:03 > 0:34:07But how did this young family support themselves
0:34:07 > 0:34:10and pay for private health care and the white Mercedes?
0:34:11 > 0:34:14I'm told that her husband, Fahmi Salim,
0:34:14 > 0:34:18perhaps under an assumed name, used to run a small business.
0:34:21 > 0:34:25I asked the caretaker if he knows Samantha's husband.
0:34:27 > 0:34:29So this guy, do you recognise him?
0:34:29 > 0:34:32- Yes.- You're absolutely certain it was him?
0:34:32 > 0:34:34Yes. I'm sure it's him.
0:34:34 > 0:34:37And is this what his wife looked like?
0:34:37 > 0:34:40Yeah, it's this one. She was always like that.
0:34:41 > 0:34:43The business, what did they do here?
0:34:44 > 0:34:47Yeah, like the injections.
0:34:47 > 0:34:51- Needles?- Needles, yeah. The drip things - everything, yeah.
0:34:51 > 0:34:54They need a lot of bandages. Boxes.
0:34:54 > 0:34:56Yeah.
0:34:58 > 0:35:02It seems that they were a shipping company for medical supplies
0:35:02 > 0:35:04and Samantha was given a job by another
0:35:04 > 0:35:08member of Johannesburg's close-knit Muslim community.
0:35:08 > 0:35:12She was the assistant manager of a Halal pie factory, charged
0:35:12 > 0:35:17with organising the creation of sausage rolls and Cornish pasties.
0:35:19 > 0:35:22Bank statements show she was earning about £1,200 a month.
0:35:26 > 0:35:29Behind the veneer of respectability, however, there is
0:35:29 > 0:35:32the first evidence of criminality.
0:35:32 > 0:35:36Samantha had bought from a corrupt official this false ID card,
0:35:36 > 0:35:39having stolen the identity from a real person,
0:35:39 > 0:35:45a nurse called Natalie Faye Webb, and she used it to get credit cards.
0:35:47 > 0:35:49It seems like she was a suburban housewife
0:35:49 > 0:35:51with something of a shopping habit.
0:35:51 > 0:35:53She eventually defrauded the banks
0:35:53 > 0:35:59and clothes shops to the tune of about £5,000.
0:36:00 > 0:36:05And then in January 2011, she procured this official passport,
0:36:05 > 0:36:07again using her false name and identity.
0:36:09 > 0:36:13She was preparing for the next step of her journey.
0:36:13 > 0:36:15Having lived a comfortable lifestyle in the west,
0:36:15 > 0:36:18when he told me that choosing to marry him might one day mean
0:36:18 > 0:36:22living under a tree, not knowing the reality, I accepted.
0:36:24 > 0:36:27I mean of course this path is all I have ever wanted
0:36:27 > 0:36:31and until today, praise for Allah, I have not yet lived under a tree.
0:36:33 > 0:36:35By late autumn 2011,
0:36:35 > 0:36:40Samantha came back to the home town of her husband, Mombasa, Kenya.
0:36:42 > 0:36:45Soon after she arrived, the police raided a house
0:36:45 > 0:36:51and found a bomb factory which they claim was operated by five people.
0:36:55 > 0:37:00Today, 23rd September 2013, their trial hearing is due to begin.
0:37:02 > 0:37:05In the dock is this man, Jermaine Grant.
0:37:05 > 0:37:07He's from Barking in east London.
0:37:07 > 0:37:11It's alleged that he conspired with Samantha Lewthwaite
0:37:11 > 0:37:15and she should be in the dock too.
0:37:15 > 0:37:20From our case file, we think they were preparing some explosives
0:37:20 > 0:37:25from the equipment and the chemicals found in their possession.
0:37:27 > 0:37:30Lewthwaite's Kenyan charge sheet accuses her of conspiring
0:37:30 > 0:37:34with others before the court to improvise an explosive device
0:37:34 > 0:37:37with the intent to cause harm to innocent citizens.
0:37:39 > 0:37:41The second charge is that she was also in possession
0:37:41 > 0:37:46of explosive materials, the very same ones that Grant is being
0:37:46 > 0:37:49tried for today and are being revealed in court.
0:37:49 > 0:37:52At the raid on Grant's house in Mombasa,
0:37:52 > 0:37:57they found hydrogen peroxide, battery acid and batteries,
0:37:57 > 0:38:01some of the vital ingredients that made up the bombs of 7/7.
0:38:02 > 0:38:04Where were they going to use it?
0:38:04 > 0:38:08It is not known exactly where they were to use it because
0:38:08 > 0:38:13they were in the process apparently of preparing something explosive.
0:38:15 > 0:38:19The alleged Grant/Lewthwaite bomb-making conspiracy is just
0:38:19 > 0:38:23the latest chapter in the history of Islamic extremism in Mombasa.
0:38:26 > 0:38:29The 1998 bomb attacks on the US embassies in Kenya
0:38:29 > 0:38:34and Tanzania, which killed at least 224 people
0:38:34 > 0:38:37and injured thousands of others, were planned here.
0:38:38 > 0:38:41Simon Davis, a former Metropolitan Police officer,
0:38:41 > 0:38:46has investigated al-Qaeda bomb attacks in East Africa.
0:38:46 > 0:38:50The 1998 bombing, I think, stood as a figurehead for them because
0:38:50 > 0:38:55it was the first time there had been such a simultaneous success.
0:38:56 > 0:39:01So they went big by doing the bomb, attacking diplomatic premises.
0:39:02 > 0:39:05The guys that lived at the end of it could just merge
0:39:05 > 0:39:09back into various communities where they were hailed as heroes.
0:39:11 > 0:39:13I'm on my way to meet the ideological godfather
0:39:13 > 0:39:17of today's Mombasa jihadis.
0:39:17 > 0:39:20The UN claim that Sheikh Abubakar Sharif Ahmed,
0:39:20 > 0:39:24known as Makuburi, is a leading facilitator and recruiter
0:39:24 > 0:39:28of young Kenyan Muslims for violent militant activity.
0:39:30 > 0:39:33Can he tell me if Samantha Lewthwaite was involved
0:39:33 > 0:39:35in the Westgate attack?
0:39:35 > 0:39:40Yes, there's not a shred of evidence produced to link her to those people.
0:39:40 > 0:39:43We are just being given a name, Samantha, Samantha, Samantha.
0:39:43 > 0:39:46OK, what did she do? What part did she play?
0:39:46 > 0:39:48There's no evidence linking her to that place.
0:39:48 > 0:39:53I mean, if it's true what they are saying, then she's a super lady.
0:39:53 > 0:39:56I wish I knew where she was, I want to propose to her.
0:39:56 > 0:39:58You'd like to marry her?
0:39:58 > 0:40:00Obviously if she's not married.
0:40:00 > 0:40:02If she can keep the intelligence
0:40:02 > 0:40:08services of the world on their toes for so long, Allah!
0:40:09 > 0:40:10May Allah protect her.
0:40:12 > 0:40:14It's clear that Makuburi admires Samantha.
0:40:14 > 0:40:17He shares the ideas that are found in her writings.
0:40:19 > 0:40:22There's no innocent person in Britain or in America or in France.
0:40:22 > 0:40:26You attack, you are the one who elects,
0:40:26 > 0:40:30ones who elect your presidents and your presidents are the ones
0:40:30 > 0:40:34who come and kill our children, and try to occupy our lands.
0:40:34 > 0:40:37We will not tolerate that.
0:40:40 > 0:40:46The following day there's dramatic news - Makuburi has been shot.
0:40:48 > 0:40:50It's not exactly a surprise.
0:40:50 > 0:40:53Over the last year, a number of leading Islamists have been
0:40:53 > 0:40:58assassinated, most probably by the police, but as I enter his house,
0:40:58 > 0:41:02I discover he's very much alive and giving a press conference.
0:41:03 > 0:41:06I was ambushed today in the morning with this news that
0:41:06 > 0:41:09I had been killed but these are just rumours.
0:41:11 > 0:41:14I don't know who has started them.
0:41:14 > 0:41:19I suspect the police of doing that because they want to kill me.
0:41:19 > 0:41:21Are you afraid of your life?
0:41:21 > 0:41:24I know my life is in danger but I am not afraid for it
0:41:24 > 0:41:28because I know they cannot kill me except when the hour comes.
0:41:28 > 0:41:30And when it comes, I cannot stop it.
0:41:32 > 0:41:34The prophecy of his own death isn't misplaced.
0:41:36 > 0:41:37Not long afterwards,
0:41:37 > 0:41:42Makuburi is indeed shot dead on the street by unknown assassins.
0:41:51 > 0:41:55Was Samantha Lewthwaite also part of this bloody ongoing war?
0:41:57 > 0:42:01We can learn quite a bit about her life in Mombasa in 2011
0:42:01 > 0:42:04from this confidential police document.
0:42:06 > 0:42:10In the autumn of that year, she was living in this yellow house.
0:42:10 > 0:42:13When the police raided, they found her English
0:42:13 > 0:42:17birth certificate at the bottom of a red suitcase.
0:42:20 > 0:42:23From the stuff left behind,
0:42:23 > 0:42:26it doesn't look like she was spending her hours building bombs.
0:42:27 > 0:42:31Her writings, the browsing history from her computer,
0:42:31 > 0:42:35present an ordinary British woman who looked at a Beyonce website,
0:42:35 > 0:42:40was concerned about weight loss and nurturing her marriage.
0:42:40 > 0:42:45When a man comes home, wife beautiful, food prepared,
0:42:45 > 0:42:50kids clean, this is like Halal magic.
0:42:51 > 0:42:57She was even writing notes for a new fitness business for pregnant women.
0:42:57 > 0:43:02Pregisize, the safe way to stay fit whilst pregnant.
0:43:02 > 0:43:07A specially-designed aerobic work-out with added strength and toning.
0:43:07 > 0:43:10100% safe for all women who are pregnant.
0:43:10 > 0:43:15Classes currently run in two venues, Mombasa and Nairobi.
0:43:15 > 0:43:18Pregnancy is not a time to slack on your fitness.
0:43:18 > 0:43:21You need to prepare the body for the marathon ahead - labour -
0:43:21 > 0:43:24so let us help you maintain a healthy body
0:43:24 > 0:43:28and a healthy mind during this spiritual journey.
0:43:29 > 0:43:32But at the same time as she was living in one house,
0:43:32 > 0:43:34she seemed to be working from another.
0:43:36 > 0:43:39Nelson Korea is the landlord of this second house.
0:43:39 > 0:43:43Can he recognise the family from the picture of the birth
0:43:43 > 0:43:45of their fourth baby?
0:43:50 > 0:43:53The landlord says that the husband, Fahmi Salim,
0:43:53 > 0:43:57was using an alias of a Mozambiquan called Marco,
0:43:57 > 0:44:00and he thought the tenants were behaving in strange ways.
0:44:19 > 0:44:25On 19th December 2011, the police raided this house.
0:44:25 > 0:44:27Samantha and Fahmi were gone
0:44:27 > 0:44:31but they found 98 rounds of ammunition. And there was more.
0:44:53 > 0:44:57So this house seems to have been some kind of operational base.
0:44:57 > 0:45:02Why else would the tenants dispose of simcards and mobile phones
0:45:02 > 0:45:05unless they'd implicate them in a conspiracy?
0:45:05 > 0:45:10And if that's what it was, Samantha is implicated.
0:45:10 > 0:45:13The landlord says that it was she, the so-called Mrs Marc,
0:45:13 > 0:45:16who intended to pay the rent.
0:45:38 > 0:45:42It does seem that Samantha helped organise this house,
0:45:42 > 0:45:47the alleged operational base for the conspiracy.
0:45:48 > 0:45:52This is the closest I've got to suggesting that Samantha
0:45:52 > 0:45:55played an active part in planning terrorism.
0:45:57 > 0:46:01We ask that Allah keeps those fighting in his cause steadfast.
0:46:02 > 0:46:06We ask that he protects them and their families.
0:46:07 > 0:46:11We ask that Allah accepts the blood of those who die
0:46:11 > 0:46:14to make there be no god but Allah.
0:46:17 > 0:46:2020th December 2011.
0:46:20 > 0:46:24Samantha Lewthwaite was in the poor neighbourhood of Kisuani,
0:46:24 > 0:46:28in Mombasa, just around the corner from Jermaine Grant's
0:46:28 > 0:46:30bomb factory that had been raided the day before.
0:46:30 > 0:46:33The police were on her trail.
0:46:33 > 0:46:37Intelligence led them to Samantha's mother-in-law's house.
0:46:37 > 0:46:41At least a dozen officers surrounded it, securing the perimeter.
0:46:41 > 0:46:44A senior officer entered the building
0:46:44 > 0:46:50and found a woman who called herself Natalie Faye Webb.
0:46:50 > 0:46:54She said she was a South African tourist and showed them
0:46:54 > 0:46:56this passport.
0:46:56 > 0:47:01In a bag she had two million Kenyan shillings, £13,500.
0:47:02 > 0:47:05It isn't clear what happened next.
0:47:05 > 0:47:11Perhaps the police were incompetent, perhaps they were bribed.
0:47:11 > 0:47:14Perhaps even Samantha had some protector high up
0:47:14 > 0:47:16within the government or the police,
0:47:16 > 0:47:21but somehow Samantha persuaded the police to let her go.
0:47:21 > 0:47:24The authorities have not seen her since.
0:47:30 > 0:47:32When I began this investigation,
0:47:32 > 0:47:36I wanted to find out how seriously we should take Samantha Lewthwaite.
0:47:36 > 0:47:40Was she a fantasist or genuinely committed to jihad?
0:47:40 > 0:47:45I found one last clue that seems to remove any doubt.
0:47:45 > 0:47:48The last person that she was seen with was her sister-in-law,
0:47:48 > 0:47:49Nassim Jamali Salim.
0:47:50 > 0:47:54She was the wife of Musa Hussein,
0:47:54 > 0:47:59who was killed in a shoot-out in Somalia in June 2011.
0:47:59 > 0:48:02What's significant about that is that it connects Samantha
0:48:02 > 0:48:07to the very heart of the aristocracy of al-Qaeda.
0:48:07 > 0:48:12Musa Hussein was the lieutenant to, and died with, Harun Fazul
0:48:12 > 0:48:18and he was the leader of the 1998 East African Embassy bombings,
0:48:18 > 0:48:21a trusted confidante of Osama Bin Laden
0:48:21 > 0:48:26and one of a handful of people privy to the planning of 9/11.
0:48:32 > 0:48:36Given her connections, it seems that Samantha and her children
0:48:36 > 0:48:39are probably living behind high walls and barbed wire
0:48:39 > 0:48:41under the protection
0:48:41 > 0:48:43of international sympathisers of al-Qaeda.
0:48:45 > 0:48:47I am sure she's not in Europe. She's in Africa.
0:48:47 > 0:48:50Which African country? Your guess is as good as mine.
0:48:50 > 0:48:53She has the backing of the Muslim community because she's
0:48:53 > 0:48:57loved by the people there and I don't think she should hand over
0:48:57 > 0:49:02herself because she's not guilty of anything, and she'll never get
0:49:02 > 0:49:05a fair trial because the media has already tried her and convicted her.
0:49:05 > 0:49:09Almost certainly she didn't have anything to do
0:49:09 > 0:49:10with the Westgate attack.
0:49:10 > 0:49:12Her body has not been found.
0:49:12 > 0:49:14She wasn't on the CCTV.
0:49:16 > 0:49:19The Samantha that I knew was not a leader, she was a follower.
0:49:20 > 0:49:24It would seem very unlikely that any of these groups
0:49:24 > 0:49:27would have a female as a leader.
0:49:27 > 0:49:31The concept of a leader of the jihad is always,
0:49:31 > 0:49:33is a position given to the man.
0:49:35 > 0:49:38But maybe she's been involved in other conspiracies.
0:49:39 > 0:49:42I personally don't think her radicalisation is such that
0:49:42 > 0:49:45she's running around herself planting bombs,
0:49:45 > 0:49:49but she's obviously giving material and maternal support to people.
0:49:49 > 0:49:53Whatever the truth, it seems that she doesn't want to tell it
0:49:53 > 0:49:58and given that this might not end well, she may never get the chance.
0:49:58 > 0:50:00Silence is salvation.
0:50:00 > 0:50:06We pride ourselves on abstaining from alcohol, pig, extramarital sex.
0:50:06 > 0:50:08That is good.
0:50:08 > 0:50:12But when it comes to the tongue, the sins are let loose.
0:50:12 > 0:50:14The good of a Muslim is to speak little
0:50:14 > 0:50:17of that which does not concern us.
0:50:18 > 0:50:22She who withholds her tongue, Allah will conceal her faults.