:00:16. > :00:28.CHEERING AND APPLAUSE A very generous welcome here from
:00:29. > :00:33.the people of Suffolk, welcome to Unsprung. I am not here, I am
:00:34. > :00:37.actually at home with my poodles in the garden, because we recorded this
:00:38. > :00:41.on Thursday night! But we have still got a cracking show for you. We have
:00:42. > :00:44.been here and Minsmere all week, and there has been loads of action, take
:00:45. > :01:00.a look at what we have been watching.
:01:01. > :01:10.This show is about the way that people connect with wildlife. It is
:01:11. > :01:19.sizzling, it is spectacular, it is Springwatch!
:01:20. > :01:36.Mr Will young! Benjamin Zephaniah! I find that absolutely incredible,
:01:37. > :01:45.what an amazing bird! APPLAUSE
:01:46. > :01:49.That is what we offer you, I think we offer you some of the finest
:01:50. > :01:52.British wildlife, and also some very exciting guests.
:01:53. > :01:57.Tonight is not going to be an exception to either of those things.
:01:58. > :02:04.My first guest rose to prominence in 1970, when she published The Female
:02:05. > :02:07.Eunuch. And spent, she has been courting controversy with views on
:02:08. > :02:13.feminism, literature and the environment. She is here in her role
:02:14. > :02:20.as president of Buglife, I give you Germaine Green! Thank you very much
:02:21. > :02:24.indeed for coming in. Our second guest is a man with a van, but no
:02:25. > :02:31.ordinary van, not white and full of tools. It was a classic band, but he
:02:32. > :02:34.has updated it, and he has got a mission, trying to clean up our
:02:35. > :02:43.beaches and making a pretty good job of it, Mr Martin Dorey! Nice to see
:02:44. > :02:47.you! And nice to see you all sun. Great week. What a week it has been,
:02:48. > :02:54.we have at everything from tattoos two poems, it has all been there
:02:55. > :03:03.once, so much action on the live cams. Unbelievable, it feels like it
:03:04. > :03:07.has been read or -- eat or be done. I have been doing some reading
:03:08. > :03:11.myself! That is the way the world goes round, we have to be pragmatic
:03:12. > :03:15.about that, our job is to report on what we see, we do not judge it, we
:03:16. > :03:20.try to explain it, and predation is a fact of life. I have put together
:03:21. > :03:23.a gallery of photographs from the amazing things we have got in,
:03:24. > :03:30.please keep sending them in. I have them fast food, these are fabulous
:03:31. > :03:34.pictures. This is a picture of a cuckoo by John Tymon. A good
:03:35. > :03:38.photograph, it has clicked that caterpillar up and is about to
:03:39. > :03:44.swallow it. Superb, cuckoo eating caterpillar. On a similar theme,
:03:45. > :03:49.here we go, blackbird. Look at that, a blackbird with a meal worm, this
:03:50. > :03:56.might be in someone's garden, since they are not a native species. Get
:03:57. > :04:02.quite close to this one, that is a pied wagtail with insects in its
:04:03. > :04:07.mouth, and Phill wants to know how they stuff so many in their mouth
:04:08. > :04:10.without dropping them. Some birds have backward facing spines on the
:04:11. > :04:14.roof of their mouth and their town, which means that once they have got
:04:15. > :04:18.it in their mouth, it does not slip out, and that they can grip it once
:04:19. > :04:22.it is within them out. Some have spines on the edges of their beaks,
:04:23. > :04:29.but not the pied wagtail, it will be using the spines inside its mouth.
:04:30. > :04:36.Incredible. Beautiful bird. Because we have the president of Buglife in
:04:37. > :04:42.tonight, I have been scouting for some good bug footage. What is going
:04:43. > :04:49.on here, do you think? Well... If you could just tell us! This is a
:04:50. > :04:55.case of mistaken identity. I think one of those... There is a full ice
:04:56. > :05:02.needing in to have a look! Ladybirds in action, trying to procreate, but
:05:03. > :05:06.not working very well. We also had this quite bizarre picture, which
:05:07. > :05:15.has been sent in, the coin is full-size reference. What on earth
:05:16. > :05:18.is that?! I cannot see what that is, is it a desiccated caterpillar? It
:05:19. > :05:22.is grotesque, it looks like something out of the Aliens movie. I
:05:23. > :05:29.might have to come back to you on that. Big as well. Great size
:05:30. > :05:33.reference, I like that. Time for the quiz, of course. We have been
:05:34. > :05:37.setting a quiz every night, Sophie has been setting it with their
:05:38. > :05:43.incredible collection of bird's wings and feathers, so for the final
:05:44. > :05:49.time, here is Sophie. Hi, this is my quiz for you. This
:05:50. > :05:57.bird gets its name from a spiny red tale. The male fans its tales out
:05:58. > :06:02.during courtship displays, whose feather is it you might I think that
:06:03. > :06:08.is a proper hard one, but quite a big clue at the end may be. It is
:06:09. > :06:11.very distinctive, I am envious of her collection, I don't have one of
:06:12. > :06:15.those, I would quite like one. I do not know what I would do it, target
:06:16. > :06:20.under the bed with all the rest, of course! And we are not live tonight,
:06:21. > :06:24.so Blake along at home, I hope you get it right. Kabul, thank you very
:06:25. > :06:34.much for coming in. APPLAUSE
:06:35. > :06:40.-- Germaine. A well-deserved welcome there. Before we crack onto
:06:41. > :06:47.environmental things and bugs and all such stuff, how do you feel
:06:48. > :06:51.about Harry Clinton getting the nomination, first woman getting the
:06:52. > :06:56.presidential nomination? -- Hillary Clinton. It is funny you should say
:06:57. > :06:59.that, because countries like Bangladesh and the Philippines have
:07:00. > :07:03.elected ex-wives of heads of state because they could not find anything
:07:04. > :07:07.else, and I do not think sharing a bed with Bill Clinton is necessarily
:07:08. > :07:10.the best preparation for running one of the most powerful and dangerous
:07:11. > :07:16.countries in the world. But at least she's a woman and it is not the
:07:17. > :07:21.other way around. Why does that not make my heart sing? Is not as if
:07:22. > :07:25.women are essentially different in some special way, especially when
:07:26. > :07:30.you have got the military-industrial complex telling you what to do. I am
:07:31. > :07:35.sure Hillary will be very professional, but we have had such a
:07:36. > :07:40.disappointment with Obama, I am kind of frightened we will have another
:07:41. > :07:46.one. With the world be a better place if women were running it? No!
:07:47. > :07:52.OK, rather disappointed, I thought it might be yes! Let's move on, you
:07:53. > :07:58.are interested in natural history, have been from a young age, you have
:07:59. > :08:07.a reserve in Australia and in the UK. Well, sort of, I have got three
:08:08. > :08:11.acres of mistakes at exit 9 of the M11. I have a wood which should be
:08:12. > :08:15.chalk grassland, and I have got an orchard which should be chalk
:08:16. > :08:20.grassland, a much rarer habitat than the ones I have created. I would not
:08:21. > :08:24.make that mistake again. But I am selling that house now, and the
:08:25. > :08:27.people who are interested in buying it would like to keep it the way I
:08:28. > :08:33.have got it, which I think is probably wrong! We have got some of
:08:34. > :08:42.your photographs. Do you like that picture? I thought it was OK... Oh!
:08:43. > :08:49.It has already gone. The forecast of your interest, your bugs, president
:08:50. > :08:53.of Buglife, how did that come about? I cannot remember, apparently they
:08:54. > :08:56.contacted me because of stuff I was writing, probably in the Telegraph
:08:57. > :09:00.at that time, and I was trying to remember when I started really
:09:01. > :09:05.caring about insects and being concerned for them. There seems to
:09:06. > :09:10.be such a determination to eliminate them, and it seemed to me obvious
:09:11. > :09:15.that we could lose the snow leopard and it wouldn't make a huge
:09:16. > :09:18.difference to us. But if we lost a sizeable proportion of our in
:09:19. > :09:23.vertebrates, we would die, and the planet would die with us. And the
:09:24. > :09:28.other thing was, they were not popular, you know, everybody likes
:09:29. > :09:31.cuddly things, you know, they will spend a fortune on dogs and birds
:09:32. > :09:36.and everything else, but you cannot get them to care about creepy
:09:37. > :09:41.crawlies. So do understand the role they play, and there were other
:09:42. > :09:47.things I had almost forgotten. I was friends with Miriam Rothschild, a
:09:48. > :09:53.great entomologist, of course, and I used to stand in my garden in Italy,
:09:54. > :09:58.photographing butterflies all day long. I generally didn't have any
:09:59. > :10:03.clothes on, because it was very remote, so I was kind of bakes to
:10:04. > :10:09.the colour of pig skin. And I had the occasional wonderful butterfly
:10:10. > :10:13.photograph that was not made by Oxford Scientific Films. One of the
:10:14. > :10:18.happiest days of my life was when Miriam said that my photographs were
:10:19. > :10:22.the best she had seen. You should have brought them along! All my
:10:23. > :10:26.papers have gone to Melbourne University, and I tried to do my
:10:27. > :10:29.iPhoto library the other day, and somebody can tell me how to get
:10:30. > :10:37.those blasted thumbnails to turn into pictures. I have thousands of
:10:38. > :10:47.them! One of the things that caught your eye on the series so far, the
:10:48. > :10:51.Meadow ants' is amazing. Incredible piece of filming, it was not full of
:10:52. > :10:56.drama and tension and so on, it was just the operation of that very
:10:57. > :11:02.complex society. I hadn't quite understood, but I think you have got
:11:03. > :11:04.minor and major ants in those communities, so they are actually
:11:05. > :11:11.organised on a hierarchical basis. Our notion of them as a primal
:11:12. > :11:17.board, a democracy of some sort, they are not really like that. --
:11:18. > :11:24.horde. They actually teach each other things, if one finds a source
:11:25. > :11:28.of food, it will go back and teach another ant how to find the food. It
:11:29. > :11:32.will lead and forward and teach it the landmarks it needs to see, then
:11:33. > :11:38.it will run back to the nest and teach another one. When it has
:11:39. > :11:44.taught another, it will go back. Incredibly complex, social animals,
:11:45. > :11:49.like the pollinators. They are in big trouble, and we are not entirely
:11:50. > :11:56.sure why. We tend to overestimate, overemphasise the role of the
:11:57. > :12:01.honeybee, the hive bee. We tend to underestimate the role of other
:12:02. > :12:05.pollinators, hover flies for example, accidental pollinators. But
:12:06. > :12:10.one of my fixations has been that I have always cared about flowers, but
:12:11. > :12:16.I suddenly realised one day that they are only half the story. I
:12:17. > :12:20.think it was actually when I was growing my rainforest in south-east
:12:21. > :12:28.Queensland, and we turned up these brown weevils, and it turns out that
:12:29. > :12:33.in the fossil record those same weevils are there, and I was
:12:34. > :12:37.suddenly thinking, my God, flowers and their pollinators evolved
:12:38. > :12:43.together. How does that happen? And that strikes me is a mystery like
:12:44. > :12:47.the blue sky. How did it happen? I mean, some people will say God
:12:48. > :12:51.arranged it, I don't happen to agree with that, but I would really love
:12:52. > :12:55.to know how it happened, and I really wished that people understood
:12:56. > :13:01.that when you see the flower and its pollinator, you see the completion
:13:02. > :13:06.of a process. The two things coming together to form a perfect union,
:13:07. > :13:10.purpose. It is great, if you are running a forest, when you get your
:13:11. > :13:13.obligate parasites and dependence on the plants you are planting, because
:13:14. > :13:17.it tells you that you are getting something right. We never kill
:13:18. > :13:21.insects, even when they overwhelm our tiny trees - we hope that
:13:22. > :13:26.balance will eventually be restored. We do not go booming in to destroy
:13:27. > :13:31.them. Tolerance is what we need when it comes to managing the wild, a bit
:13:32. > :13:41.more tolerance all round. Yeah, I don't know about the midges Buglife
:13:42. > :13:48.will be receiving letters of complaint. We should be nice to
:13:49. > :13:54.midges. I have been feeding them all night! As you said before, it is eat
:13:55. > :14:01.or be eaten, but that is not the story, it is eat and be eaten.
:14:02. > :14:05.Ferrer point, I have given them enough blood! Each guest that comes
:14:06. > :14:10.on is given a challenge, drawn to be wild, they have a range of artist's
:14:11. > :14:15.materials to produce a piece of artwork that represents some part of
:14:16. > :14:23.the Minsmere reserved. What have you come up with us it is a good ten
:14:24. > :14:34.minutes' work. A! Acid over! What about this?! --
:14:35. > :14:39.hey! Pass it over! What do we think? You have clearly been painting
:14:40. > :14:43.before. It is my job to judge this, you see, and we have got some
:14:44. > :14:48.abstract expressionist work up here, some mixed media work. Yours is more
:14:49. > :14:55.traditional, a landscape with depth, perspective, colours, and element of
:14:56. > :15:00.pointillism. What I do not have is a pin, so I'm going to nick this one
:15:01. > :15:04.off Ed Burns, which was so bad it would figure on the floor! I am
:15:05. > :15:09.going to put yours quite high up, it is the first time we have had a
:15:10. > :15:13.proper go at a landscape, so I am going to score it, I'm going to
:15:14. > :15:17.demote Georgia's from last night, I am going to put yours into third
:15:18. > :15:24.place up here. APPLAUSE
:15:25. > :15:31.Pretty good, pretty good! That is very good, we have had some strong
:15:32. > :15:35.artwork this week. Now it is time for the final high share of the
:15:36. > :15:38.week, when Chris back and spend some time in a bird-watching hide with a
:15:39. > :15:41.final place that you might recognise. At the London wetland
:15:42. > :15:48.centre, this is certainly a national treasure.
:15:49. > :15:55.Hello! Just doing a spot of sprucing up the binoculars with this tea
:15:56. > :16:07.towel. It is Gavin and Stacey to towel and
:16:08. > :16:12.you are. Good heavens. I'm not sure it's a great accolade. I remember
:16:13. > :16:17.that day very well, that photograph. There was a brilliant day. Let's do
:16:18. > :16:22.some bird-watching. Have you been here before? A couple of times but
:16:23. > :16:33.not for a while. Quite good birding this morning. A few crows over
:16:34. > :16:39.there. They murder. -- a murder. That is apt. There is a Heron over
:16:40. > :16:45.on the far bank. I saw a Heron in Regents Park the other night. It was
:16:46. > :16:50.sitting, posing among the display of juleps and things. It was sitting so
:16:51. > :16:58.still. My partner actually thought it was false. I took a picture and
:16:59. > :17:03.he said, why did you take a picture of a false Heron? I said it was
:17:04. > :17:09.flapping its wings and moving its head. They do stand very still.
:17:10. > :17:13.Absolutely still. It was beautiful. You just walked into the park and
:17:14. > :17:18.there it was, so exciting when that happens. You have been into birds
:17:19. > :17:25.all of your life? Yes, my grandma was a great one for the birds, she
:17:26. > :17:32.used to feed the birds and gave me tips and always had a birdbath. You
:17:33. > :17:36.just learned to take care of them and watch them and enjoy them. You
:17:37. > :17:44.know, it was all there and it was fun and I loved it.
:17:45. > :17:59.A black headed gull here. It is like a dark brown, so neat, it is as
:18:00. > :18:09.though it has dipped his head in chocolate. It's quite a handsome
:18:10. > :18:14.bird. A few years ago now I saw a gull regurgitating its food for its
:18:15. > :18:20.young. It was quite a sight. I was walking along the seafront somewhere
:18:21. > :18:26.and there was a flat roof and this gull came down and the young one was
:18:27. > :18:33.like, give me some food and then all of this stuff came out. Quite a. I'd
:18:34. > :18:39.never seen it before. -- quite a sight. They will regurgitate like
:18:40. > :18:46.that. It is so peaceful. If it weren't for that line of houses we
:18:47. > :18:51.could be in the countryside. Shall we get rid of them? We could grow
:18:52. > :18:57.some trees so we can't see them. APPLAUSE
:18:58. > :19:01.You know you were talking about herons and finding it hard to tell
:19:02. > :19:04.the difference between a plastic Heron and a real one? I thought we
:19:05. > :19:13.would have a look at social media and see if it is true. Plastic or
:19:14. > :19:22.real? Real. Correct. That is real. Yes. What about this one? Real but
:19:23. > :19:29.unusual. It is probably digesting, it may be catching the sun to heat
:19:30. > :19:40.up the blood to improve digestion. The bug is back. A gentleman over
:19:41. > :19:50.here has come up with the answer. What do you think? I think it is the
:19:51. > :19:58.law -- laver of a great silver water beetle, it has come out of water. It
:19:59. > :20:05.is a big vegetarian laver. It has deliberately come onto land? It's a
:20:06. > :20:11.rare animal. That is a good spot. Round of applause for this
:20:12. > :20:16.gentleman. APPLAUSE We liked learning about wildlife,
:20:17. > :20:22.that's what it's all about. We love an audience expert. Indeed we do. I
:20:23. > :20:24.will see you towards the end. Martin, come and join us. Great to
:20:25. > :20:35.see you again. I introduced you as a man with a van
:20:36. > :20:42.and of course it was an old VW. It was. You were into surfing? That's
:20:43. > :20:46.right, I started surfing and having to camp because I didn't live near
:20:47. > :20:49.the sea and I got fed up with tense because they will eat and are
:20:50. > :20:59.rubbish, I started sleeping in camper vans and it went from there.
:21:00. > :21:05.Recently you have been a guest on caravan driver of the year? I was
:21:06. > :21:12.eight guest judge. I had an absolute riot. -- I was a guest. Old camper
:21:13. > :21:21.vans are cool but caravans, are they call, too? Yes, they are. Yes, they
:21:22. > :21:25.are. Obviously the surfing got you into the sea and when you got in the
:21:26. > :21:31.CU realised there was a problem with plastic? Yes, basically, just from
:21:32. > :21:35.going to the beach over many years, you start noticing things happening
:21:36. > :21:41.and changing and I moved to Devon in 96 and there had just been a spill
:21:42. > :21:46.of sun lotion, and I found these bottles on every beach. So yes, I
:21:47. > :21:52.kept an eye on it and organised clean-ups on the beach. We had big
:21:53. > :21:55.storms in 2013 /4 team, I think we call it Hercules, and the beach
:21:56. > :22:02.where I live in Cornwall was devastated. -- 13 /4 team. There was
:22:03. > :22:07.so much rubbish and I wanted to do something about it. You have come up
:22:08. > :22:13.with the two-minute beach clean? It seems to have gone crazy. What I
:22:14. > :22:18.would like you to do is explain the two-minute beach clean, its ethos
:22:19. > :22:26.and practice and how it is successful, in two minutes. I can
:22:27. > :22:30.give that a go. Ready? It is very simple, it is the idea that you go
:22:31. > :22:36.to a beach and spent two minutes picking up litter, it may not
:22:37. > :22:41.seem... Even I got that! It is nothing to anybody but the thing is,
:22:42. > :22:45.the more people do it... We invite people to post pictures to Instagram
:22:46. > :22:49.or Twitter so we can then gather this community of people and if you
:22:50. > :22:53.imagine if everybody in the room did two minutes, on Saturday, then that
:22:54. > :22:56.would be God knows how many minutes and together we can make a
:22:57. > :23:01.difference. You might think that in two minutes you can't do, you can't
:23:02. > :23:08.make a real difference, but I did two-minute clean in Minsmere, and I
:23:09. > :23:11.picked up this horrible thing. This is a balloon that someone has lost.
:23:12. > :23:16.The point that we make is that a balloon like this could end up
:23:17. > :23:19.blowing into the reserve because it was on the reserve and it could end
:23:20. > :23:24.up around the neck of something beautiful. Actually, even though I
:23:25. > :23:28.have just done two minutes and take on this one piece, it makes a
:23:29. > :23:34.difference. You can't be overwhelmed by the problem, it is so massive
:23:35. > :23:39.that you can't just look at it and go, my God, the ocean is dying, you
:23:40. > :23:42.have to say that I can make a bit of a difference and I don't want to
:23:43. > :23:45.walk past a balloon that then you guys on the reserve discover
:23:46. > :23:52.tomorrow around the neck of something lovely. I've lost track of
:23:53. > :23:57.time! The key thing is that it's not just in the UK but overseas? It has
:23:58. > :24:02.spread because of the Internet, it is great and people are picking up
:24:03. > :24:06.all over the place and we have had Instagram posts from Antarctica,
:24:07. > :24:12.Australia. New Zealand. This is a last graph. That is the dead Sea,
:24:13. > :24:18.one of our regulars. 20 of people all around the world, 17 or 18,000
:24:19. > :24:24.pictures to Instagram, God knows how many on Twitter. And it has been
:24:25. > :24:31.picked up. They launched it last week in Israel and they are
:24:32. > :24:37.launching it on Saturday... Did I explain enough? I think you got most
:24:38. > :24:42.of it in. There is just so much to it, it has legs. Every day we feel
:24:43. > :24:48.as though we are hanging onto its coat-tails. Obviously it is a real
:24:49. > :24:53.issue and the countryside is also equally a nuisance, terrestrial
:24:54. > :24:59.litter? Yes, we have started working with Dartmoor National Park because
:25:00. > :25:03.they have litter issues. We have picking stations, I think there are
:25:04. > :25:07.pictures of them, you borrow a bag and take a litter picker. We have a
:25:08. > :25:14.tweet from the Dartmoor Rangers, they say, get involved on Dartmoor.
:25:15. > :25:19.It is already happening. The National Park in Dartmoor have two
:25:20. > :25:23.of our signs. Here they are. They put them out at hotspots so on
:25:24. > :25:28.Sunday afternoon when there are 100,000 people roaming around
:25:29. > :25:31.Dartmoor, they invite people to clean up. And actually there is a
:25:32. > :25:39.psychology to it that people are saying, hang on, maybe there is a
:25:40. > :25:43.problem with litter and maybe I should not litter. We did a trial in
:25:44. > :25:48.Cornwall and compared to the year before with regular beach cleans,
:25:49. > :25:53.there was a 65% degreaser on the beach. We now have six signs in
:25:54. > :25:59.Dartmoor, 40 over the UK and 20 in island and 120 going out to Ireland
:26:00. > :26:04.in the next month. If we reduce it by 65% on each beach maybe, just
:26:05. > :26:09.maybe we are making a difference. You are making a difference, mate.
:26:10. > :26:13.It was a great idea. You have spread it all over the world and now you
:26:14. > :26:21.are cleaning up litter in the countryside as well. Martin, thank
:26:22. > :26:26.you very much. APPLAUSE You are justifiably pleased about
:26:27. > :26:31.litter but what about your artwork? This reminds me of the beach and I
:26:32. > :26:38.wanted to do something that is really special to me, the yellow
:26:39. > :26:42.iris which is a wild Iris, Jermaine was telling me the Latin earlier. It
:26:43. > :26:47.reminds me of this time of year because they are so fleeting, they
:26:48. > :26:51.come out and disappear almost as quickly. I saw one on the reserve
:26:52. > :26:56.today, it is not a great picture but for me it is quite emotional. There
:26:57. > :27:00.is an emotional attachment to the Iris, they are very striking and
:27:01. > :27:08.around this time of year. What can I say? It is quite primitive, really.
:27:09. > :27:23.Quite childlike! It is bold but it's not buying off -- van Gogh. He put
:27:24. > :27:29.yellow paint to canvas with his sunflowers. I will put you down
:27:30. > :27:34.here. The composition was weak. Your art might not be brilliant but job
:27:35. > :27:39.beach cleans our fantastic. Keep sending them in. Do it over the
:27:40. > :27:43.weekend and tag us. We would love to see your pictures. Let's try to
:27:44. > :27:47.resolve the question that was set at the top of the show. These were the
:27:48. > :28:02.feathers. Here is Sophie with the answer. These are the feathers of a
:28:03. > :28:06.female common redstart. APPLAUSE Holed I hope you got it right at
:28:07. > :28:13.home. Sophie, we think you are brilliant. -- I hope you got it
:28:14. > :28:23.right. Well done, you. Sophie has been fantastic. Jabbing that will be
:28:24. > :28:28.in the post, second class! Chris, this is a wonderful picture of you.
:28:29. > :28:35.Look at that. Joyce who is 81 years old. 81! She has captured the jump
:28:36. > :28:43.perfectly. What a fabulous sweater. That's all the time we have. Martin,
:28:44. > :28:47.it has been a treat. That is all we have time for, we will be back on
:28:48. > :28:53.Monday. I will leave you with the sparrowhawk. The big question is,
:28:54. > :28:57.will be eggs that it is sat on Hatch? See you next week.