:00:17. > :00:27.APPLAUSE Wrote unbridled enthusiasm for
:00:28. > :00:34.Springwatch Unsprung, coming to you from the very sunny Minsmere RSPCA
:00:35. > :00:40.reserve in Suffolk. What an evening. You could be outside birding but you
:00:41. > :00:43.have come here to join us. Thank you. The wildlife has been enjoying
:00:44. > :01:24.the sunshine as well, as we can see. Sunshine puts a smile on our faces
:01:25. > :01:27.and the wildlife too. This programme isn't just about wildlife, it's
:01:28. > :01:31.about people who engage with it and we invite guests to the studio. The
:01:32. > :01:36.first guest, when we met he said, trust me I'm a doctor but I'm always
:01:37. > :01:42.sceptical so I put into the test by dissecting a seal on a Greenland
:01:43. > :01:44.beach. Halfway through I thought I might have two contact the General
:01:45. > :01:49.Medical Council but he reminded me that he was already a double back
:01:50. > :01:52.the winner for Operation Ouch, and more recently teamed up with Angela
:01:53. > :02:00.Matton to tell us how we can prevent ageing -- double Bafta winning.
:02:01. > :02:03.Tonight he is here to talk about the psychology of our sentiment is when
:02:04. > :02:05.it comes to cute and cuddly animals. It is my pleasure to introduce,
:02:06. > :02:16.Chris van Tulleken. But nearly gone puttable with all of
:02:17. > :02:24.the blackcurrants. -- I've nearly gone purple. They are doing
:02:25. > :02:27.something. By doing a lot! Our next guest, an unlikely marriage, you may
:02:28. > :02:32.think. Firstly an artist who produces extremely spectacular
:02:33. > :02:37.elegant public installations which are designed to evoke a sense of
:02:38. > :02:42.place. He's teamed up with an academic who is into ionising
:02:43. > :02:46.radiation and forensic audiology. How would that work? It has worked
:02:47. > :02:50.to great effect because they have sculpted something amazing, the
:02:51. > :02:58.hive, opening at Kew Gardens this weekend. It is my pleasure to
:02:59. > :03:05.introduce Wolfgang Buttress and Doctor Martin Bencsik. You have
:03:06. > :03:10.jointly retro club. We have to talk about it, fashion! Those Internet
:03:11. > :03:15.sites that sell things very cheaply, we are all drawn to them, as we can
:03:16. > :03:19.see. I like it. Thank you, you have been going for it, so I thought I
:03:20. > :03:24.would join the party. You have divided Twitter, although Claire
:03:25. > :03:30.says that she likes your top. These were my dead uncle Derek's curtains!
:03:31. > :03:35.The hair band as well, I have gone full out on it. Nothing is missed.
:03:36. > :03:42.The wildlife has been trying to impersonate you as well, this
:03:43. > :03:47.picture, brilliant. Asking who wore it best, the caterpillar or you? The
:03:48. > :03:51.caterpillar, I think! I am quite distasteful, but don't eat the
:03:52. > :03:55.Caterpillar. Then it got more serious because we got this picture
:03:56. > :04:04.as well. That's almost a perfect match! Uncle Derek and the moth, I
:04:05. > :04:12.wouldn't believe it. I thought, not having I'm joining the party and
:04:13. > :04:16.this happened! Brilliant. You're a Caterpillar and I'm a butterfly, so
:04:17. > :04:21.there we go! Does that mean you are more mature than me? I think it
:04:22. > :04:27.means I am pretty a! With the football I decided to have some more
:04:28. > :04:32.fun today and I made this Minsmere 5-a-side. I think that's a
:04:33. > :04:36.particularly strong line-up. In goal I have the sparrowhawk because she
:04:37. > :04:42.is very protective, she would fill the goal, which is good. I have the
:04:43. > :04:48.jay in attack upfront and sand Martins on the wing. On the wing!
:04:49. > :04:52.And bestowed, I feel that she is good so I have put her in midfield
:04:53. > :04:56.to cover the ground. Top work, I'm not sure it's going to go to the
:04:57. > :05:01.final but I'm not sure that England will get to the final although we
:05:02. > :05:05.had a good result. We did. Apologies to our Welsh viewers. I think there
:05:06. > :05:09.is a chance for Wales. Sticking on the sporting theme, we had a look
:05:10. > :05:13.around and we found this bluetit who is a fan of tennis! And this bluetit
:05:14. > :05:19.is actually trying to be a tennis ball! LAUGHTER
:05:20. > :05:25.That finds cute, really. Well done to Andy Murray as well. It is time
:05:26. > :05:28.to set the quiz, which has been set by the young wardens here at
:05:29. > :05:37.Minsmere. The Dung Detectives are here with the quiz. We are the RSPB
:05:38. > :05:42.Minsmere volunteers and this is our quiz for you. It is round. Whose is
:05:43. > :05:54.that? If you would like to comment on who
:05:55. > :05:59.is wearing the best fashion, I'm fine with that. Just use the
:06:00. > :06:10.hashtag. I'm going over to my first guest. Thanks for that. Almost
:06:11. > :06:14.medicine for kids, there is a lot of medical programming, it is kind of
:06:15. > :06:18.popular medical science, on TV at the moment. I guess we feel we can
:06:19. > :06:22.show it to a room of medical professors and they will learn at
:06:23. > :06:27.least one thing. I think more than one thing. We have done a few first
:06:28. > :06:32.is. I was just telling them, we filmed a belch for the first time,
:06:33. > :06:35.trying to do it live and we established that it is not from the
:06:36. > :06:42.movement of the epiglottis but you'll have to wait and find out
:06:43. > :06:46.where it comes from. I can't wait! But then you have gone on with a
:06:47. > :06:50.programme I watched recently which I found quite, Pulse it, actually. We
:06:51. > :06:57.all worry about ageing, effectively and you were suggesting that it is
:06:58. > :07:01.dietary things, a number of Japanese people eat a particular kind of
:07:02. > :07:06.potato. I get nervous about being too dogmatic about it. I would say,
:07:07. > :07:11.load your plate with colour, mainly plants, and don't eat too much. You
:07:12. > :07:18.heard it from the Doctor's mouth. I won't tell you what I saw him eating
:07:19. > :07:22.at lunchtime! You grew up in Canada, you are into wildlife, catching
:07:23. > :07:28.snakes and getting up to all sorts of things. I don't know who is who
:07:29. > :07:36.here. Bad wouldn't know either. One of them is a large female turtle.
:07:37. > :07:42.That is looking for snakes, and I think that's me. And that is holding
:07:43. > :07:46.the deadly northern water snake. Deadly! Not that deadly, I don't
:07:47. > :07:53.think, we aren't going to fall for that! I love your book and you
:07:54. > :07:59.eating the tadpoles reminded me of minnows. I got stick for that, by
:08:00. > :08:04.the way. I imagine that the tadpoles were not unharmed. We had Minow
:08:05. > :08:10.snorting contests in Canada. What was the purpose? It sounds like I
:08:11. > :08:16.have a bad habit. I have quit snorting minnows now! As we say on
:08:17. > :08:21.Operation Ouch, do not do this at home. I wouldn't tell anybody to do
:08:22. > :08:27.it. We would swallow from one bucket and spit them into the next, totally
:08:28. > :08:36.unharmed! Also, some more protein. What about the bone collection?
:08:37. > :08:41.Fighting over a walrus. I was briefly in the military and I was on
:08:42. > :08:46.a training run in Wales and a group of us ran past a dead Welsh mountain
:08:47. > :08:50.pony. I came back the following weekend, cut its head off and the
:08:51. > :08:55.following weekend I came back with a group of army guys, ran past it and
:08:56. > :08:59.I thought, good God, somebody has cut the head off and they were
:09:00. > :09:04.disgusted, they were baffled about who would do it. A few years later,
:09:05. > :09:13.I still have the head. Elaborate the skeleton iced over a long period of
:09:14. > :09:17.time. You can see the bone, the maxilla has become Seibu because I
:09:18. > :09:23.had to boil it in bleach. I love a man who boils a head in bleach. --
:09:24. > :09:29.has become see-through. Soak it in water and change it frequently.
:09:30. > :09:32.Let's move on to sentiment that because through the programme we've
:09:33. > :09:38.been looking at a of young animals and part of the way this place runs,
:09:39. > :09:43.they consumed by other animals and some of our viewers were upset. What
:09:44. > :09:46.motivates them? Cuteness is interesting, it is like an emotion,
:09:47. > :09:52.you want to somehow physically interact with these things, pick
:09:53. > :09:56.them up and squash them, but I think it misleads us about the way that
:09:57. > :10:01.nature works. I think that Springwatch represents the way that
:10:02. > :10:04.nature works, I see it as a battle scape and when I'm not presenting an
:10:05. > :10:11.Operation Ouch, I work in the laboratory, looking at how viruses
:10:12. > :10:17.move from nonhuman primates, to humans, mainly HIV, and it is based
:10:18. > :10:22.on the red queen hypothesis, that everything is chasing everything
:10:23. > :10:28.else, everything is being constantly predatory. Like this, we have
:10:29. > :10:31.probation here. Cuteness takes us to a useful place, sometimes, but it
:10:32. > :10:38.misrepresents what is fragile in the food chain. Kestrels don't manage to
:10:39. > :10:44.feed, then buy on the brink of death, constantly. Everything is
:10:45. > :10:47.constantly in battle and that is how evolution moves forward. I think
:10:48. > :10:56.that the red queen is in broadcast form an spring which -- Springwatch.
:10:57. > :10:59.You're not actually making any progress, so you are implying that
:11:00. > :11:02.we have everything in turmoil, trying to make progress but not
:11:03. > :11:07.quite making it because it's being eaten. What we know is that the rate
:11:08. > :11:14.of extinction, I'm going to get a bit science here, but for any
:11:15. > :11:18.taxonomic unit, any species or border, they are equally likely to
:11:19. > :11:21.get extinct because they are all using the same capital, there's a
:11:22. > :11:27.certain amount of ecological capital and it is a finite resource. As one
:11:28. > :11:30.of them adapts, it must necessarily kill off the others but it will
:11:31. > :11:35.leave one of the others that is a little bit faster and stronger, and
:11:36. > :11:39.that will be better at predating the remaining and you get the dynamic
:11:40. > :11:43.oscillation between species. It means that everything has a half
:11:44. > :11:49.life and we are part of that. We are due to have a viable pandemic. You
:11:50. > :11:54.can think about it as stoats and rabbits, when I arrived I saw a
:11:55. > :11:59.stoat killing a rabbit, or you can think about viruses and humans. We
:12:00. > :12:04.are due a pandemic. An Operation Ouch, we tried to be blunt. Kids can
:12:05. > :12:10.handle that information, if it is presented accurately. By going to
:12:11. > :12:11.ask for a round of applause for a superbly elegant discussion of how
:12:12. > :12:23.the natural world works. Moving on, what about human health?
:12:24. > :12:26.Another thing we've been saying and recognising is that when we go into
:12:27. > :12:31.green spaces, it is good for our physical and mental health. There is
:12:32. > :12:34.buckets of research, which is nice but I think there is something that
:12:35. > :12:39.transcends what you can actually discover with science about this,
:12:40. > :12:44.that it is so evidently good for us to be involved with nature, in so
:12:45. > :12:47.many deep and complex ways. Yes, if I wield a dog into an exam you are
:12:48. > :12:53.doing I can measure the effect on your blood pressure, you will live
:12:54. > :12:58.longer. People with pets live longer. If you take dogs into the
:12:59. > :13:04.old peoples home Common People with outsiders, they will survive longer
:13:05. > :13:11.and have your infections. -- old people's home, people with
:13:12. > :13:15.Alzheimer's. There could be the infection risk but the benefit to
:13:16. > :13:22.kids with animals, so clinically measurable. It made me feel good
:13:23. > :13:26.again. I am feasting on blackcurrants and I sleep with two
:13:27. > :13:34.boodles! I'm going to live for ever! -- poodles. Every guest coming to
:13:35. > :13:38.the programme is given ten minutes and a range of artists materials and
:13:39. > :13:43.they are sent on to the reserve to enter the challenge, drawn to be
:13:44. > :13:44.wild. Chris, eloquent scientist, great broadcaster, great charm, what
:13:45. > :14:03.have you done? An explanation or an excuse? It is
:14:04. > :14:15.not political. This is my vision of a post-Brexit Minsmere. That is
:14:16. > :14:26.Donald Trump. It is a concrete car park, which is also a golf course,
:14:27. > :14:30.and Trump is waving his putter. I don't want to influence voting, I'm
:14:31. > :14:36.just saying that that might happen, and you can vote as you please. You
:14:37. > :14:40.have set a very interesting challenge, because you produced an
:14:41. > :14:52.interesting piece of work. I see a little Lowry in it. I see a lot of
:14:53. > :14:56.postapocalypse work. But since you have moral lies did, I am left with
:14:57. > :15:03.absolutely no choice whatsoever... BOOING
:15:04. > :15:11.We have to not add yours to the board because it has gone so low, it
:15:12. > :15:17.has gone lower than Ed Byrne's. We can't have politics on this
:15:18. > :15:22.programme! That wasn't a political statement by me, it was a reading of
:15:23. > :15:26.the political statement. Now, presenter Michaela Strachan is
:15:27. > :15:29.passionate about wildlife rehabilitation, and she went to see
:15:30. > :15:33.the volunteers at one of the UK's biggest wildlife rescue centres. We
:15:34. > :15:39.went along to see how she got on. It is my last day as a volunteer at
:15:40. > :15:42.stately Grange RSPCA centre. It really has been a fantastic
:15:43. > :15:48.experience, and I have enjoyed every minute. I wonder what will be in
:15:49. > :15:56.store for me on my final day. What have you got? A buzzard that has had
:15:57. > :16:09.an argument with a truck. We're just checking for broken bones files.
:16:10. > :16:14.Would they react with pain? We wouldn't see that necessarily. I'm
:16:15. > :16:20.just looking for any haemorrhage in the back of the eye, any signs of
:16:21. > :16:23.damage to his head. We will reassess him and 48 hours, see how he is
:16:24. > :16:30.flying in the aviary, and it may be that we can release him. And what
:16:31. > :16:37.are we doing in here? We're going to weigh the swans. Some of them were
:16:38. > :16:42.caught by dogs, crash landings, that sort of thing. Fishing lines are
:16:43. > :16:49.problem, too. We need to herd them up. Herding swans? We weigh them
:16:50. > :16:54.every week to check how they are doing, check that they are putting
:16:55. > :16:59.on weight nicely, up to the point we can release them. I go for the net?
:17:00. > :17:08.Yes and get hold of both sides of his wings, and just scoop him up and
:17:09. > :17:16.left him. What about all these flapping legs?
:17:17. > :17:25.Last one. I nearly at the end of my last day of volunteering, and I have
:17:26. > :17:30.really enjoyed it. I have learned so much, it has been really varied. I
:17:31. > :17:34.have handled so many different dish while animals, and I have met so
:17:35. > :17:38.many great people. The RSPCA wouldn't function without
:17:39. > :17:46.volunteers, so they are absolutely invaluable to the RSPCA. I just
:17:47. > :17:49.thought I would have a quick cup of tea and five minutes out, because I
:17:50. > :17:53.have just heard that the gorgeous buzzard that looked so bright and
:17:54. > :17:57.looked like he would be able to be released quite quickly actually
:17:58. > :18:01.isn't going to make it. Internal examinations showed it had a
:18:02. > :18:05.fractured pelvis, so unfortunately they are going to have to put it
:18:06. > :18:11.down. It is really sad, but that is the reality of a place like this.
:18:12. > :18:16.But it is tough. But luckily there are many happy endings are Stapeley
:18:17. > :18:22.Grange. This is a good enough spot, I think. I know this is probably the
:18:23. > :18:27.best part for you, but as a volunteer, it is definitely the best
:18:28. > :18:32.part for me. Sadly, my time at the centre has come to an end, but it
:18:33. > :18:38.really has been an incredibly rewarding experience. He's off!
:18:39. > :18:48.Seeing a bird released back into the wild is definitely a highlight.
:18:49. > :18:54.APPLAUSE Michaela and doing amazing things
:18:55. > :18:57.for wildlife. This is St Mary's primary school, and they have been
:18:58. > :19:03.helping hedgehogs by making hedgehog houses in their school. Top work!
:19:04. > :19:07.APPLAUSE We do get a question a lot on the
:19:08. > :19:10.watches asking what to do if you find an injured or baby animal you
:19:11. > :19:16.think has been abandoned, because we have been sent this poster. This is
:19:17. > :19:20.from Brian May, and he says he has ten fawns brought him in the last
:19:21. > :19:25.few months that have been rescued to early. Again, it is a big problem.
:19:26. > :19:30.We are reaching out something think needs help, but it probably doesn't.
:19:31. > :19:35.Leave it there so the adults can look after it. If you find a bird on
:19:36. > :19:41.the ground, and you have cats around, put it up in a bush. If you
:19:42. > :19:46.find a deer like that, walked directly away from it following your
:19:47. > :19:51.own tracks, the adult will be nearby and will come back later. Unless it
:19:52. > :19:53.is in direct threats like the middle-of-the-road or something,
:19:54. > :20:02.your best advice is to leave it alone. And there is more advice on
:20:03. > :20:22.the website. Now, let's move on to our next guest, Martin Bencsik. The
:20:23. > :20:28.theme for our last work was feeding the planet, and it is a laudable
:20:29. > :20:32.aim, but how do you express that? I used the idea of the theme of Polly
:20:33. > :20:41.nation, and more specifically about the honey bee. -- pollination. The
:20:42. > :20:48.honey bee is affected by lack of diversity, climate change,
:20:49. > :20:52.pesticides. I wanted to create something that the visitor would
:20:53. > :20:56.feel would be an emotional experience. Visually, it is
:20:57. > :21:00.stunning, but Martin, the role you played was the auditory part of
:21:01. > :21:06.this. Tell me how you managed integrate your research into this
:21:07. > :21:09.artwork. Wolfgang came to me and asked me if it would be possible to
:21:10. > :21:15.eliminate his artwork or somehow feed it with live signal coming from
:21:16. > :21:19.honeybees. He had heard of my research, and we made the plan to
:21:20. > :21:24.change the colour coding of Wolfgang's artwork, and to change it
:21:25. > :21:29.with the status of the honey bee colony using a live signal that was
:21:30. > :21:37.fed through the Internet all the way to Milan, and changing the colour
:21:38. > :21:40.coding of the artwork. And in addition to that, he also managed to
:21:41. > :21:46.have the live signal being heard by the visitor, so we use the signal
:21:47. > :21:49.both to change the colours and to have acoustic stimuli heard by the
:21:50. > :21:55.visitor. We have some sand now of some honeybees. This was the raw
:21:56. > :22:07.material. BUZZING.
:22:08. > :22:14.Say you have heard an accelerated version of the stages of honey bee
:22:15. > :22:17.swarm. People might have seen a swarm visually, people might have
:22:18. > :22:22.heard it, but this particular document was captured from within
:22:23. > :22:27.the colony, so you have shared the experience of honeybees swarming
:22:28. > :22:30.from within the heart of the colony, something that we do with Excel
:22:31. > :22:36.aroma to technology. That is where Wolfgang comes in, because aside
:22:37. > :22:41.from having those natural sounds, there is also a musical soundtrack,
:22:42. > :22:46.so tell me about that. We had a live stream of bees which came at the
:22:47. > :22:52.recording studio, a couple of friends of mine play in a band
:22:53. > :22:55.called Spiritualised. Deirdre started to play the cello along with
:22:56. > :23:06.this sound, and we very quick to realise that they hive itself harms
:23:07. > :23:11.in the key of C. Does it? You learn something new every night on
:23:12. > :23:22.Unsprung. Let's have a listen. SOLEMN NOTES.
:23:23. > :23:52.APPLAUSE A bit of Cocteau Twins in there,
:23:53. > :24:07.perhaps! You have reinstalled it at Kew. Why did you choose to Kew in
:24:08. > :24:14.terms of the peace? The landscape is as important as the piece itself,
:24:15. > :24:18.and what we have at Kew is the ability to send the live signal
:24:19. > :24:21.directed to the hive, and as the bees use more energy, this triggers
:24:22. > :24:28.signals which trigger noise gates which open up a violin or a piano or
:24:29. > :24:35.some strings, so the idea is that the sculpture is talking to you.
:24:36. > :24:41.There is almost a conversation between the bees and the human. . We
:24:42. > :24:54.have actually been sent a fabulous picture of a bee. Some sensory hairs
:24:55. > :24:57.there, we will maybe be talking about those later on. On the full
:24:58. > :25:03.film is available on the website, so do have a look. Wolfgang, Martin,
:25:04. > :25:09.thank you very much. I can't wait to see it, it looks incredible. It will
:25:10. > :25:17.probably be too busy, I will go very late indeed. Night-time, you can see
:25:18. > :25:23.a glow in the evenings. Amazing. You have risen to the arts challenge. We
:25:24. > :25:30.were expecting great things on yours. It was right in the middle of
:25:31. > :25:37.the inland football game, so we were a bit distracted. Let's have a look
:25:38. > :25:43.at what you have got. Pass it over. You have done an egg. It was
:25:44. > :25:47.inspired this morning by the sparrowhawk, it is the lines of the
:25:48. > :25:49.nest and the void in the middle inspired by the sparrowhawk leaving
:25:50. > :25:55.the nest. What we think? APPLAUSE
:25:56. > :26:00.I was brought up to believe in a meritocracy, and on that account, I
:26:01. > :26:03.have to say, that despite all of the endeavours of our previous guest
:26:04. > :26:08.here, and they have really tried hard, bearing in mind they are not
:26:09. > :26:09.artists, they are simply not as good as yours, mate.
:26:10. > :26:16.Yours is absolutely... APPLAUSE
:26:17. > :26:21.If you produced lithograph of that, you would sell ten or 15 the
:26:22. > :26:27.audience here! Absolutely fantastic, thank you very much indeed.
:26:28. > :26:31.Continuing on the bee theme, there is a bee survey we can identify
:26:32. > :26:36.plants in your local area and see if it is great for bees. As well as
:26:37. > :26:39.taking you on in the fashion department and night, Chris, I have
:26:40. > :26:47.also decided to challenge you photographically. Yesterday I showed
:26:48. > :26:54.you this picture. I have shown a previous nine, this is an 8.1. I was
:26:55. > :27:01.agonising about that in the middle of the night. Here we come with this
:27:02. > :27:05.one. Look at that. This is water droplet refractions. But there is
:27:06. > :27:11.one fundamental problem with this. Go one, then. You have got it upside
:27:12. > :27:15.down. Surely they are hanging, those water droplets, art they? Not that
:27:16. > :27:21.it matters. I quite like it, but I won't score it as high as the grass
:27:22. > :27:29.snake. I will give that one 4.8. What about if I turned up the other
:27:30. > :27:36.we? I don't deal too well with detail, and as much as I like that
:27:37. > :27:40.meadow, and its reflection in the droplets, there are too many
:27:41. > :27:46.colours, the green, the Orange... Move on! Let's find the answer to
:27:47. > :27:50.the quiz. Earlier we showed you this picture and we asked you what animal
:27:51. > :28:05.this belongs to. Does anybody in the audience have any ideas? Dear. And
:28:06. > :28:14.here is the answer. This is the pool of a muntjac deer. I only saw one
:28:15. > :28:18.person with muntjac deer, and that was Max Martin, so well done, you.
:28:19. > :28:24.And I will offer this as a souvenir to some of our guests here. There
:28:25. > :28:28.you go, superb. There is due more to go around a little later on. Sadly
:28:29. > :28:34.that is all we have time for on this Unsprung. We're coming up with
:28:35. > :28:35.another programme at 6:30pm tomorrow on BBC Two.
:28:36. > :28:38.Thank you very much to my guests, Dr Chris van Tulleken,
:28:39. > :28:40.Wolfgang Buttress and Dr Martin Bencsik.
:28:41. > :28:42.And I'll leave you with this historic moment of a sparrowhawk
:28:43. > :28:48.chick hatching here at Minsmere today.
:28:49. > :28:53.It is one of the most beautiful things that we have ever seen. Do
:28:54. > :28:54.join us at eight o'clock Springwatch. Good night.
:28:55. > :29:01.APPLAUSE who want to show us how good they
:29:02. > :29:06.are in the kitchen. Many of them can sing, dance, act.
:29:07. > :29:09.We don't care about that. What we care about is
:29:10. > :29:12.whether they can cook. That's raw meat. I want to learn
:29:13. > :29:15.how to cook an ice cream. There will be shocks...
:29:16. > :29:17.It looks horrible... ..and surprises.
:29:18. > :29:20...but it tastes great.