:00:20. > :00:31.Thank you very much indeed. Welcome to the penultimate Unsprung of 2017,
:00:32. > :00:34.coming you from the wonderful National Trust Sherborne Parc estate
:00:35. > :00:38.in Gloucestershire. As I have said many times, this programme is about
:00:39. > :00:42.you. We're going to have a quiz, and we really want your answers. There
:00:43. > :00:47.is still time to send us photographs and videos, with one more programme
:00:48. > :00:50.coming up tomorrow night. We like to get a bit of science and art into
:00:51. > :00:54.our programme, but of course, it is most of all about our guests. There
:00:55. > :00:59.is one phrase which I find consistently irritating, it's the
:01:00. > :01:03.term national treasure, I am both to use it to go but tonight, I'm going
:01:04. > :01:11.to use it twice, because we have two! Pam Ayres, author, poet,
:01:12. > :01:19.performer! And you've brought a guest as well? I have, it's a level
:01:20. > :01:23.hedgehog. He's quite frightened, these little animals struggle to
:01:24. > :01:32.survive, but later on, we'll show you how to help the hedgehogs drive!
:01:33. > :01:36.And Steve, where do we start?! Television presenter, wildlife
:01:37. > :01:40.expert, adventurer... I could go on and on. You have not matched the
:01:41. > :01:55.hedgehog puzzles your clasping a wooden snake. Join the later for an
:01:56. > :02:02.animal medley, you can bet it will be live and deadly! Let's go
:02:03. > :02:07.indoors. Always defer to expertise, a man has got to know his
:02:08. > :02:13.limitations. Steve up against Pam in the poetry stakes was a bit
:02:14. > :02:17.one-sided. It was! But nice try! Let's go to our swallow camera,
:02:18. > :02:22.because that nest has been very busy today. There are five chicks in
:02:23. > :02:26.there, it looks like they could go any time soon. That nest is in a
:02:27. > :02:30.traditional place for a swallow nest. Have a look at this
:02:31. > :02:35.photograph, however, a very different kind of nest. It has been
:02:36. > :02:40.sent into us from the Natural Resources Wales visitors' centre in
:02:41. > :02:45.Pembrokeshire. The swallows are actually nesting on a whale skull in
:02:46. > :02:49.the corner. It is the most incredible thing. It was sent to us
:02:50. > :02:53.by Kate Lock, who said they want to make sure the birds can get in and
:02:54. > :02:56.out to feed their chicks, so they have put a little hole in the door
:02:57. > :03:04.for them. That's very good, really. Quite a surreal sight for a
:03:05. > :03:09.swallow's nest. I worry about those swallows when they grow up, that's
:03:10. > :03:16.quite dark! There will be strange as teenagers, listening to The Smiths,
:03:17. > :03:26.or The Cure during their Gothic phase! Now, time for the quiz.
:03:27. > :03:30.Yesterday, we did some photo sales, which are always a joy, we love to
:03:31. > :03:35.see your photographs go wrong. We thought, today we will make them
:03:36. > :03:41.into a quiz. This one is from Jason Buck, but the question is, who do
:03:42. > :03:47.those legs belong to? Shall we give them a clue? No! OK, I was about to
:03:48. > :03:53.be generous! You scoff at my generosity! I'm going to move
:03:54. > :03:59.swiftly on, over to Pam! Thank you very much for coming in! It is a
:04:00. > :04:01.pleasure to meet you, none of course for your poetry and you're
:04:02. > :04:05.performing, and many bestselling books. But I did not know you were
:04:06. > :04:08.so passionate about your wildlife. Yes, I am, I have always liked
:04:09. > :04:12.animals very much, although I've always hated it as a child when
:04:13. > :04:16.there was nothing that could be done for animals if one was injured.
:04:17. > :04:20.People will just say, hit it on the head, put it out of its misery. I
:04:21. > :04:24.think it is great that today, people care much more. There are wildlife
:04:25. > :04:29.hospitals and places you can take injured animals. I try to make my
:04:30. > :04:34.garden as welcoming as possible, with just little things that anybody
:04:35. > :04:38.can do. Our garden is where we can definitely make a difference, we do
:04:39. > :04:44.not have to rely on anywhere else, and this is your garden. Yes, it is.
:04:45. > :04:53.Very nice, some big trees, lots of nectar in the garden. So, have you
:04:54. > :04:57.deliberately sculpted it? Well, you have, you have got your bird feeders
:04:58. > :05:01.in? I have only just moved here after 28 years in no other house, so
:05:02. > :05:06.I'm just seeing what is coming up. Great thing is the little
:05:07. > :05:11.housemartins and there are 15 nests in existence and two being built,
:05:12. > :05:16.which is fantastic. I'm only just watching what is coming up, and then
:05:17. > :05:21.I shall add to it and plant lots of nectar producing things. And you
:05:22. > :05:26.have a favourite animal? Yeah, I like hedgehogs. What is it about
:05:27. > :05:29.them? They're benevolent little creatures can they don't do any
:05:30. > :05:33.harm, they do a lot of good, they eat pests in the garden. They're
:05:34. > :05:37.nice to look at, they don't harm anybody, they're not venomous and
:05:38. > :05:42.they're disappearing, they're vulnerable. And this is a hole in
:05:43. > :05:48.the wall? MBI said to my neighbour, do you mind if we put a hole in the
:05:49. > :05:51.wall for the hedgehogs? They thought, we have got some crank
:05:52. > :05:55.living next door! They did not mind at all, they were very kind. And I
:05:56. > :05:59.think it gets used, I have hedgehogs in the garden most nights ago I
:06:00. > :06:04.think we have a hedgehog coming up car don't we? We do, actually. That
:06:05. > :06:08.is some great advice. On Facebook Natalie Bishop has been in touch to
:06:09. > :06:14.ask how to make her garden hedgehog-friendly, because she has
:06:15. > :06:18.got this little chap. Wait for it... Also, Pam, we would like to know
:06:19. > :06:25.what is going on here - here he comes! What is happening with that
:06:26. > :06:30.moustache? She is building a nest, it is a pregnant lady and she's
:06:31. > :06:35.building a nest, she has collected lots of nice soft grass to line it
:06:36. > :06:39.with. That's fantastic. Help with the composting! Either way, it is a
:06:40. > :06:48.win-win situationIt's so sweet, isn't it? You rehabilitate hedgehogs
:06:49. > :06:52.in your garden, and Tori, you're from the wildlife hospital here, you
:06:53. > :07:00.have got one here let's have a look. Here's our little baby. How could
:07:01. > :07:04.you not like them? I think it is adorable, I really do. So do I!
:07:05. > :07:09.They're so vulnerable, they get streamed and they get run over, they
:07:10. > :07:16.eat slugs that have been poisoned with pellets. Poor little guy! And
:07:17. > :07:22.where has this one come from, Tori? This one is about two weeks old, it
:07:23. > :07:27.has literally just opened its eyes. It is on puppy milk at the moment,
:07:28. > :07:31.it was found out on its own, crying. Obviously, a hedgehog this side
:07:32. > :07:34.should still be in the nest, we should not see them out, especially
:07:35. > :07:39.in the daytime. And what is the future? This will be rehabilitated
:07:40. > :07:44.with us until it is up to about 500 grams. And then it will go back out
:07:45. > :07:51.into the wild, possibly in Pam's garden, to good shush -- to...!
:07:52. > :07:57.Because the weight is all-important? Yes, exactly. It is an enormous
:07:58. > :08:01.amount of hard work which you and your staff do, let's not
:08:02. > :08:07.underestimate it? No, we don't just look after the hedgehogs, we look
:08:08. > :08:12.after all British wildlife. We have started to get the baby is coming in
:08:13. > :08:17.now, I think we have got about seven of them at the centre at the moment.
:08:18. > :08:24.Pam, you're helping out next year with raising money for hedgehogs.
:08:25. > :08:29.And your contribution is going to be a poem? Yeah, I am hoping to have a
:08:30. > :08:33.book published about the hedgehogs and I'm going to give the advance to
:08:34. > :08:39.the British Hedgehog Preservation Society. Shall I give you a quick
:08:40. > :08:44.burst of it? Give us a teaser. OK, it is about being the last hedgehog
:08:45. > :08:50.left on earth. It's very sad! Not many laughs in it, Chris! Hang on a
:08:51. > :08:55.minute... Let me get my thoughts together. I will read it to you,
:08:56. > :09:00.that's the thing to do. If your fence you made a space, we could
:09:01. > :09:07.have moved from place to place, have paid our respects, had some cautious
:09:08. > :09:14.hedgehog sex, and in a cosy pile of logs produced a nest of little hogs,
:09:15. > :09:16.from now on, when you pull the drapes, you will see no round,
:09:17. > :09:24.familiar shapes, nevermore from dusk till dawn will I eat slugs on your
:09:25. > :09:36.lawn, so little gratitude you've shown, from now on, you can eat your
:09:37. > :09:44.own. Superb. Pam, thank you very much. What a great poem! It was sad,
:09:45. > :09:50.though. Staying with the gardening and hedgehog theme, we asked you to
:09:51. > :09:55.get in touch with your spring tales. At the university of Brighton, they
:09:56. > :09:59.have been looking at this, and loads of you have been in touch about who
:10:00. > :10:06.is top dog when it comes to the garden. Have a look at this one,
:10:07. > :10:10.sent in by Christine. Basically, she saying she has got hedgehogs in the
:10:11. > :10:16.garden. They're really going for it, Friend. And we have noticed quite a
:10:17. > :10:21.lot of aggression in hedgehogs, and Dr Dawn Scott has this is because
:10:22. > :10:25.food is being left in the same place in your garden. So the advice is, if
:10:26. > :10:30.you want to encourage hedgehogs, try putting the food in different places
:10:31. > :10:35.in the garden. We have been having our own spring tales here at
:10:36. > :10:45.Sherborne, using our remote cameras. But sometimes a different approach
:10:46. > :10:51.is needed. It's Unsprung Undressed. Whether by foot or by 4x4, our
:10:52. > :10:56.long-irons cameramen are scanning the countryside. Welcome to my
:10:57. > :11:00.mobile hide, it is not comfortable, but sometimes it means you can get
:11:01. > :11:06.those shots quickly that you would not normally be able to get. We are
:11:07. > :11:11.here where the stoats are, she moved her kids and we are trying to find
:11:12. > :11:13.where there have been moved to. Pete carries all of his equipment to
:11:14. > :11:21.stake out one of our most elusive birds. This one is on this branch
:11:22. > :11:25.just across the river, probably one of the adults. There have been three
:11:26. > :11:31.fledgling is to have been hanging out here, and they will come almost
:11:32. > :11:35.as near as you and me. They're beautiful. Spending every day in the
:11:36. > :11:39.field, they become quite attached to their subjects. They're real
:11:40. > :11:44.characters, especially the mothers, they're just constantly hunting.
:11:45. > :11:51.They have quite a tough little life. Even though they spend hours alone,
:11:52. > :11:56.both cameramen enjoy their time in the wild. I am really happy to come
:11:57. > :12:00.here and get away to a quiet bit of the river and listen to the cuckoos
:12:01. > :12:05.in the trees, and the kingfishers coming down. It is a beautiful spot
:12:06. > :12:08.up here. Although it can be quite thick when everything is kicking off
:12:09. > :12:12.with the stoats, it's still nice to get away from the chaos of the main
:12:13. > :12:19.site. And getting the shot makes it all worthwhile. Contact I gain a lot
:12:20. > :12:23.of leisure just watching it for my own benefit. And if I can capture a
:12:24. > :12:31.good shot of it and share it on the TV, that's an added bonus. We could
:12:32. > :12:36.not do without them, could we? We couldn't, stunning shots. And they
:12:37. > :12:41.are out there in all weather. They are. And if they don't get it, we
:12:42. > :12:48.make them stay out there. Its move on to our next guest, Mr Steve
:12:49. > :12:52.Backshall! Thank you very much for coming along. How are you? I'm very
:12:53. > :12:57.good, especially here in this glorious sunshine. It is a top spot,
:12:58. > :13:01.isn't it? It is blissful. Wildlife has taken you all over the world, we
:13:02. > :13:05.have seen you in every continent, wrestling with all sorts of large,
:13:06. > :13:09.sometimes dangerous things, but what about wildlife at home? I'm very
:13:10. > :13:15.lucky in that I live on the Thames. This time of year is very special
:13:16. > :13:17.because you get the eruption of the mayflies and other insects and
:13:18. > :13:22.everything that follows in feed on them. It is such an explosion of
:13:23. > :13:27.life. Right now we are blessed as we have a pair of Swans nesting in our
:13:28. > :13:32.garden. Last year, they had an attempt, but the mail got caught up
:13:33. > :13:36.in a rope in the river. And I went into the river... Of course you did!
:13:37. > :13:40.But for some reason, he thought it was my fault and he refused to come
:13:41. > :13:45.back into the garden for the whole of the rest of the year. He
:13:46. > :13:49.associated me with it. But this time around, they're back, the female has
:13:50. > :13:52.five eggs, she has sat on them and I think in about two or three weeks,
:13:53. > :13:59.they're going to hatch out into cygnets in our garden. Fantastic.
:14:00. > :14:02.What is coming up, work-wise? I have just got that from Alaska, and I'm
:14:03. > :14:06.heading out again a couple of times over the next six weeks, because we
:14:07. > :14:10.are doing a series called Alaska Live. We have also got a British
:14:11. > :14:13.component to it as well. We are encouraging viewers to send in
:14:14. > :14:19.photos and time-lapse photography of wild places here in the UK, so we
:14:20. > :14:24.can convince people that we have wilderness to equal anywhere on the
:14:25. > :14:29.planet, even Alaska. Going back to Alaska Live, it is quite a
:14:30. > :14:34.challenge? It is. The thing is, the wildlife is there and it is there in
:14:35. > :14:38.abundance, as you know well. The polar bears, the grizzly bears,
:14:39. > :14:42.everything is there. But the main challenge is making it happen live
:14:43. > :14:47.on air, and with the potential of the Alaskan weather which can be
:14:48. > :14:51.pretty full on. If we hit it right, there is probably nowhere better on
:14:52. > :14:54.earth to be doing it, except for here, of course. But anything goes
:14:55. > :15:01.wrong with the weather, and we're going to be on a knife edge.
:15:02. > :15:06.We have an example of some photographs. This is from our Flickr
:15:07. > :15:15.side four. Have a look at the bluebells. We have the beach, a nice
:15:16. > :15:18.bit of a seascape for you. This is my favourite, from Richard Walker,
:15:19. > :15:24.the Highlands. What do you think about, will that do? It's stunning,
:15:25. > :15:30.its wilderness, right there. Those are the kind of pictures you are
:15:31. > :15:33.looking for. Those are exactly the kind of pictures, there's a hashtag,
:15:34. > :15:37.#MyWilderness, to send the pictures on. What's your particular venture?
:15:38. > :15:42.What challenge have you been set this time? We're doing the same, I
:15:43. > :15:50.got back from filming salmon sharks. Quite remarkable. They are related
:15:51. > :16:03.to another fish, they are many great Wyke, and they contact the mouth of
:16:04. > :16:09.the rivers. You will try to get the meeting salmon live question not no,
:16:10. > :16:13.that definitely won't happen. We might get an orca. We have some
:16:14. > :16:17.fabulous questions from young people in the audience. Which animal do you
:16:18. > :16:21.love to hate? LAUGHTER
:16:22. > :16:26.Parasites are probably the most intriguing of all animals, but when
:16:27. > :16:33.you are on expedition they are the worst. Leeches and ticks seem to
:16:34. > :16:39.find the softest, most personal part of your body. I've had a leech on my
:16:40. > :16:44.eyeball. One of my camera men had one on the roof of his mouth. He
:16:45. > :16:49.thought he had a wine gum! I had to the honeymoon suite. I won't explain
:16:50. > :16:53.that to you. They have this uncanny ability to head exactly where you
:16:54. > :17:01.don't want them. What do you think about that, a leech on your eyeball?
:17:02. > :17:08.Rows. If what's your question? Were you a Boy Scout? Yes, I'm an
:17:09. > :17:11.ambassador for the scouts, and cubs 100 last year, a 100 year
:17:12. > :17:14.celebration of the cubs. Myself and my wife are ambassadors for
:17:15. > :17:18.scouting, which is important because it is moving that is getting young
:17:19. > :17:24.people outside, connected with nature. So many old-fashioned are
:17:25. > :17:29.really important. I was a girl guide and I loved it. Oscar? What's your
:17:30. > :17:34.favourite thing you've done on deadly 60? That's tricky, probably
:17:35. > :17:37.the last thing we did on our pole to pole adventure, which was diving
:17:38. > :17:41.underneath an Antarctic iceberg alongside a female leopard seal,
:17:42. > :17:44.flashing her teeth into the camera, doing circuits around us,
:17:45. > :17:50.interrogating is underwater, was dazzling. What do you do on a
:17:51. > :17:54.Saturday night when you've been underneath an iceberg with a leopard
:17:55. > :18:00.seal? You can't compete with a DVD. You can't, but you sit around with a
:18:01. > :18:03.glass of lemonade and chat about it! As we look to recount those stories.
:18:04. > :18:08.In terms of animals, you mentioned the parasites. I like the parasites
:18:09. > :18:12.as much as the big stuff. It's not just about the deadly, the biggest
:18:13. > :18:16.and the fiercest, it's about the whole aspect of life coming together
:18:17. > :18:19.to make it work? That's exactly it. Whenever anyone asks me what the
:18:20. > :18:26.most deadly animal is to others as human beings, it's the mosquito, by
:18:27. > :18:31.a country mile. But perhaps the animal that has most shaped human
:18:32. > :18:35.evolution, the way we have moved across the planet has been shaped by
:18:36. > :18:44.taxi flies, for example. The weight animals evolve alongside their
:18:45. > :18:48.animals is amazing. You get parasites living at low density, the
:18:49. > :18:52.parasites by getting sidetracked, so they come out and dance around in
:18:53. > :18:58.front of cats, as the parasite needs to get inside the cat to complete
:18:59. > :19:03.its life history, finding a way. Finding a way to change the
:19:04. > :19:05.behaviour of that animal, yet the parasite might be microscopic. It's
:19:06. > :19:11.not doing anything intended, it's just created a fantastic arms race
:19:12. > :19:17.between the two animals. Steve, thank you for coming in. We could
:19:18. > :19:22.chat for hours about these animals, including the fantastic parasites.
:19:23. > :19:26.APPLAUSE Sometimes my guests have to climb
:19:27. > :19:36.inside a very small sweaty tent with me. It's time for highchair. This
:19:37. > :19:45.year highchair has gone mobile. -- Hideshare. Anyone could be hiding
:19:46. > :19:54.inside. Dancing hands. So who's next? Yes! Today's Hideshare is a
:19:55. > :19:59.match made in heaven. Natural historian meets military historian
:20:00. > :20:09.with a great shared interest in each other's subjects. I'm on the shores
:20:10. > :20:17.of the Solent with... Dan Snow. Hey, Chris. I love your outlook. It's
:20:18. > :20:22.pretty amazing, isn't it? Superb. You have the mudflats, the ships
:20:23. > :20:27.beyond, the sea. Fantastic. I know you can tell your lances from your
:20:28. > :20:30.huzzahs. What about waders and wildfowl? And terrible. I come from
:20:31. > :20:34.a family of twitchers and I'm the black sheep of the family. My
:20:35. > :20:39.grandparents loved it and went everywhere in the world, so I want
:20:40. > :20:43.to get into it and as I get older and appreciating watching birds. I
:20:44. > :20:47.love it. Lets see what we can find out here. I have my nautical
:20:48. > :20:51.telescope which I like to use. There's some Canada geese and brent
:20:52. > :20:55.geese out there, brent geese are the ones you will have seen thousands of
:20:56. > :21:00.hearing the winter. There is a curlew. You see the red post? Yes,
:21:01. > :21:06.just in front of it. Drop-down. I love the sound they make. I know
:21:07. > :21:10.where the form of Khartoum was, 1855, and I generally know what a
:21:11. > :21:17.curlew looks like, and that's a godwit! Godwit. It's got a nice long
:21:18. > :21:21.beak. The bill is straight, not curves. In winter of course a lot
:21:22. > :21:25.more birds here because this mode isn't really productive. Dunbavin in
:21:26. > :21:30.the summer you think it's all about nature and everything coming out and
:21:31. > :21:33.actually it's much quieter. They've dispersed, the ones that breed in
:21:34. > :21:37.the UK have come inland, land, whether is on the problem of the
:21:38. > :21:40.tide going up and down. There's an oystercatcher out there, it will
:21:41. > :21:45.breed on that spit. A lot of the birds head north, where that is an
:21:46. > :22:02.immensely rich, quick and productive summer, so they head north and come
:22:03. > :22:03.back down here. Where I mowed birds going question my Scandinavia,
:22:04. > :22:08.northern Russia, Greenland, Iceland, a long way. It's one of the most
:22:09. > :22:14.magical things about the world. Extraordinary. In your podcast, are
:22:15. > :22:19.you trying to involve the natural history? You Babin that's the great
:22:20. > :22:22.thing about a podcast, you can put in what you like. I did one on solar
:22:23. > :22:27.flares, West solar energy, no one on earth knew what was going on, it led
:22:28. > :22:32.to which burning and all sorts of things, so I love bringing the
:22:33. > :22:34.natural world into history. This is something I think traditional
:22:35. > :22:37.history books didn't really talk about. They were more interested in
:22:38. > :22:42.talking about brilliant generals and politicians. I just think it's
:22:43. > :22:46.actually the Earth and its rhythms that are almost dominating how
:22:47. > :22:51.things are going. Collectivity is important. It gives you a sense of
:22:52. > :22:56.place, time and context. The I think so. Like loving history, I look at
:22:57. > :22:58.the landscape and see how it's been shaped by past generations and it
:22:59. > :23:03.helps me to understand what I'm seeing. I know a boat sank down over
:23:04. > :23:10.there, Titanic went over there. I want to match that now with an
:23:11. > :23:13.understanding of nature. I feel that nature was missing in my life and
:23:14. > :23:20.now it makes me feel connected with where I am. Can I try your scope?
:23:21. > :23:27.You Babin of course. Why Babin its unconventional. I like a bit of
:23:28. > :23:34.nostalgia. But Alan Wake might come into play, I think. What have I got
:23:35. > :23:39.here? I've got a curlew. Where? On the shoreline. It's got a longer
:23:40. > :23:46.beak, has it? Along the beak, curved. You Babin my grandma said,
:23:47. > :23:50.never bored when bird-watching, even if you are on a motorway flyover
:23:51. > :23:52.there's always birds and it stayed with me, ever since she told me when
:23:53. > :24:00.I was a kid. APPLAUSE
:24:01. > :24:03.A really good film. A lot of banter about history. We were run through
:24:04. > :24:06.quite a few battles. You Babin I have to be honest, I'm getting
:24:07. > :24:11.worried, you've won a sparkly jacket, armbands and chain male.
:24:12. > :24:16.It's beginning to make that top looked normal. This is made of
:24:17. > :24:20.rayon, fashioned in the 1950s. Of course you know, brilliant! Still
:24:21. > :24:30.quite worrying. Shall we resolve the quiz? Lets. You'll we showed you a
:24:31. > :24:35.photo fail picture and we asked you, whose legs were these? Many of you
:24:36. > :24:40.have been in touch. Just a few wrong answers. This is quite distinctive.
:24:41. > :24:47.So Elaine says, was it a herring? Stephen Watson, is it a black winged
:24:48. > :24:50.stilts? No, it's not. The crane, says Andrew Williams. Those are
:24:51. > :24:57.wrong answers. Let me show you what it is. This is what it actually is.
:24:58. > :25:02.Complete with its body, it's a little egret. Lots of you get it
:25:03. > :25:10.right. Kevin Jackson says, please mention me, I normally get it wrong.
:25:11. > :25:19.Steve Ripley, so well done if you got it right at home. It was a
:25:20. > :25:21.little egret. Those distinctive yellow feet, yes, and egrets they
:25:22. > :25:26.were moved through the water and shuffle their foot to disturb the
:25:27. > :25:30.sediment. A number of other birds have yellow feet like that, so the
:25:31. > :25:34.colour is part of the process. Well done if you got it right. I want to
:25:35. > :25:38.show you footage that came in after the chat about beetles yesterday.
:25:39. > :25:42.What a great piece of generated content we've had sent in from the
:25:43. > :25:47.audience. Tina wants to know, do stag beetles fight like this? Why do
:25:48. > :25:52.they fight like this? Will they kill each other? They are males died
:25:53. > :25:57.beetles, they are armed with the large antlers. Size is important for
:25:58. > :26:01.stag beetles. They want the largest mandibles you can possibly have.
:26:02. > :26:04.This is just as it is when it comes to deer, it's all about pushing and
:26:05. > :26:08.shoving. It's showing off, my antlers are bigger than yours. It's
:26:09. > :26:11.about pushing and shoving, not killing. They are trying to flip
:26:12. > :26:15.each other over and they will have an arena and eventually one will
:26:16. > :26:19.Drive the other one away. The only problem is when they are in the open
:26:20. > :26:21.like that they are vulnerable to predators and I've seen them
:26:22. > :26:29.fighting and then magpies come down and eat them. Oh no! A tragic waste
:26:30. > :26:33.of stag beetles. What a waste, because they are fantastical beasts.
:26:34. > :26:40.They are indeed, fantastical beasts. Let's. You know the premise, we've
:26:41. > :26:44.got to come up with an animal here, which is viable to some extent.
:26:45. > :26:49.Could play an ecological role, maybe up some stage in the future or now.
:26:50. > :26:55.What have you come up with? Shall I show you my picture, or the
:26:56. > :26:58.description? This is a titanium tips hedgehog, because hedgehogs need to
:26:59. > :27:02.go through lots of gardens to forage and it's no good keeping them in one
:27:03. > :27:10.little garden. This hedgehog has got a really steely hard nail, so it can
:27:11. > :27:14.make its own holes. Like Rob Lowe hedgehogs, it can make holes through
:27:15. > :27:19.walls and fences but very neatly, because I've given it an opposing
:27:20. > :27:29.some so it can hold a little trowel. Wait a minute, it's blown away! Here
:27:30. > :27:36.it is. Rob Lowe hedgehogs. -- Robo hedgehog. Has got sharp nails and an
:27:37. > :27:42.opposing some, so it can smooth it. You can see how smooth it is.
:27:43. > :27:46.Titanium tips hedgehog from Palm. Steve? I've based mine on a
:27:47. > :27:53.leafcutter ant, which has communities that gather leaves, take
:27:54. > :27:58.them back to their underground subterranean nests, masticate them
:27:59. > :28:07.and use them. This does the same thing but with plastic and I've
:28:08. > :28:15.called it the litter Buck-macro. Litter bug, good! Winner cycling and
:28:16. > :28:21.that collect litter, take the below ground. Processes it into usable
:28:22. > :28:33.stuff. Steve, I like your and, I hope the litter is properly
:28:34. > :28:36.digestive. -- I like your ant. I like the titanium hedgehog. I'm
:28:37. > :28:42.going to put it closer to the top. We'll put it alongside Sue Perkins,
:28:43. > :28:48.who had eight bioluminescent hedgehog, sorry didn't get run over.
:28:49. > :28:51.That's all we have time for. We have one more Unsprung, which will start
:28:52. > :28:55.at 6:30pm tomorrow night. Let me hear it for our guests, Pam Ayres
:28:56. > :28:57.and Steve Backshall. Thank you very much