Shankly: Nature's Fire

0:00:05 > 0:00:10# Once upon a time there was a tavern

0:00:10 > 0:00:16# Where we used to raise a glass or two

0:00:16 > 0:00:22# Remember how we laughed away the hours

0:00:22 > 0:00:27# Think of all the great things we would do

0:00:29 > 0:00:32# Those were the days, my friend

0:00:32 > 0:00:36# We thought they'd never end

0:00:36 > 0:00:41# We'd sing and dance forever and a day

0:00:41 > 0:00:43# We'd live the life we'd choose

0:00:43 > 0:00:46# We'd fight and never lose

0:00:46 > 0:00:51# For we were young, and sure to have our way... #

0:01:03 > 0:01:06Shankly! Shankly! Shankly! Shankly!

0:01:08 > 0:01:13This is where Uncle Willie, Bill Shankly, was born.

0:01:13 > 0:01:17There were four houses in the front, and four houses behind.

0:01:17 > 0:01:22The ten children were born within 20 years,

0:01:22 > 0:01:24five boys and five girls.

0:01:24 > 0:01:28Bill Shankly was the last of the boys.

0:01:30 > 0:01:33There was no electricity.

0:01:33 > 0:01:37I think there could be running water, but there was no hot water.

0:01:37 > 0:01:40Very, very poor conditions.

0:01:40 > 0:01:44If you had a neighbour that needed something, and you had excess,

0:01:44 > 0:01:47which... There was never a lot of excess, but if you had something

0:01:47 > 0:01:49that the neighbour needed it desperately,

0:01:49 > 0:01:52you would give the neighbour, because you didn't ever know

0:01:52 > 0:01:54the next day that you might need something.

0:01:56 > 0:02:01Until the 1790s, miners were serfs in Scotland,

0:02:01 > 0:02:05but during the 19th century, they got themselves organised,

0:02:05 > 0:02:09and by the early 20th century, miners had replaced the old

0:02:09 > 0:02:13hand loom weavers in the past as the vanguard of the working class.

0:02:13 > 0:02:17So, a strong socialist tradition, strong self-help tradition,

0:02:17 > 0:02:21and also a strong tradition of self-improvement.

0:02:21 > 0:02:25So, within a mining community you'd have Burns Clubs,

0:02:25 > 0:02:28you'd have football clubs, you'd have all kinds of activities,

0:02:28 > 0:02:31and Burns was a living tradition with these people.

0:02:31 > 0:02:35It was a living tradition even when I was growing up in the 1950s.

0:02:35 > 0:02:38Well, in Shankly's day, even more so.

0:02:38 > 0:02:42They'd have been brought up with the ideal of egalitarianism -

0:02:42 > 0:02:44A Man's A Man for A' That.

0:02:47 > 0:02:54# Is there for honest poverty, that hangs his head and a' that... #

0:02:54 > 0:02:56It's amazing for me.

0:02:56 > 0:02:59It's my first time, so it's lovely.

0:02:59 > 0:03:04It's quite poignant, the fact that we're on a coach load of people,

0:03:04 > 0:03:07and going to meet more people that still do this.

0:03:07 > 0:03:10It's like he's more famous now

0:03:10 > 0:03:14than when he died all those years ago in '81.

0:03:14 > 0:03:18The banners rise on the Kop, and the voices call for Bill Shankly.

0:03:18 > 0:03:22And now the salute for the champions, and for Bill Shankly,

0:03:22 > 0:03:26who takes off his jacket to reveal a characteristic red shirt.

0:03:26 > 0:03:29This is the man they love.

0:03:29 > 0:03:32He was a big fan of Rabbie Burns. Mm-hm.

0:03:32 > 0:03:37Very big fan. But, of course, Rabbie Burns, he was a poor ploughman.

0:03:39 > 0:03:42Uncle Willie, as you know, went down the pit when he was 15,

0:03:42 > 0:03:45and he'd go down the pit, finish his shift,

0:03:45 > 0:03:48and then go and play football.

0:03:48 > 0:03:50It may not even be a ball, it could be a tin can,

0:03:50 > 0:03:53it could be anything that got kicked about.

0:03:53 > 0:03:56This was a photo of Glenbuck Cherrypickers.

0:03:56 > 0:03:59This is Grandpa Shankly, John Shankly.

0:03:59 > 0:04:02This is the Auchenstilloch cottages.

0:04:02 > 0:04:06This is the two houses that was knocked into one,

0:04:06 > 0:04:09where Uncle Willie was born.

0:04:09 > 0:04:13And, I mean, there could be 10-a-side, there could be 15-a-side,

0:04:13 > 0:04:16because that's all they had to do, and that's why

0:04:16 > 0:04:20there were 50 professional players came from Glenbuck.

0:04:21 > 0:04:24There was a strong football team,

0:04:24 > 0:04:26there was the strong loyalty of the coal mining industry,

0:04:26 > 0:04:28and they go hand in hand,

0:04:28 > 0:04:32and I think the football team really represented the community.

0:04:34 > 0:04:36I was born in the village of Glenbuck,

0:04:36 > 0:04:39who had a team, called the Glenbuck Cherrypickers.

0:04:39 > 0:04:42But they were at the end of their day when I...

0:04:42 > 0:04:44And I only played one game for them.

0:04:44 > 0:04:46Then they were finished for all time.

0:04:46 > 0:04:50Then I moved on to another junior team. I was only 17 years old.

0:04:51 > 0:04:56About ten miles from Glenbuck. So I started with them, really.

0:04:56 > 0:04:58A team called Cronberry.

0:04:59 > 0:05:05In its basics, in what is required to play football, it's quite simple,

0:05:05 > 0:05:11and, you know, we know from its origins that it was just

0:05:11 > 0:05:16a kind of mob activity originally, and you don't need to be

0:05:16 > 0:05:21a very special physical specimen to do it then.

0:05:21 > 0:05:23And it may be a small form of romance,

0:05:23 > 0:05:28but when somebody beats a man or scores a good goal,

0:05:28 > 0:05:31or makes a great tackle or something,

0:05:31 > 0:05:36there is undoubtedly, from the lowest levels of the game to the

0:05:36 > 0:05:42highest, a tremendous satisfaction and a sense of self-expression.

0:05:44 > 0:05:47When you think about it, you know, football was the one thing

0:05:47 > 0:05:50you could do, not to go down the pit in these days.

0:05:50 > 0:05:55And if you were going down the pit and you were in this very dark and

0:05:55 > 0:05:59claustrophobic and dangerous space, imagine the kind of liberation

0:05:59 > 0:06:02it must be to run around on a field, you know, to run around playing.

0:06:02 > 0:06:04So you've got those blue skies above,

0:06:04 > 0:06:07or even grey skies above, but you've got all this space around you.

0:06:07 > 0:06:09You're darting around this field,

0:06:09 > 0:06:13and then you have to go back down to this dark, enclosed space.

0:06:13 > 0:06:19So football must have been, not just a means to break out of that world,

0:06:19 > 0:06:22but it must have been an almost kind of spiritual,

0:06:22 > 0:06:25kind of existential release. You know, "We're human beings,

0:06:25 > 0:06:27"this is what we're supposed to be doing".

0:06:28 > 0:06:34One of the foundations of my affinity with Bill,

0:06:34 > 0:06:38and it was a very warm affinity over the years,

0:06:38 > 0:06:43was that we were fellow Ayrshiremen, and it's always struck me

0:06:43 > 0:06:49that three of the greatest managers who've worked in British football -

0:06:49 > 0:06:53Shankly, Busby and Stein - were all born within 20 miles

0:06:53 > 0:06:59of one another, and were from mining families.

0:06:59 > 0:07:06Their understanding of teamwork and of camaraderie

0:07:06 > 0:07:09was absolutely in the marrow.

0:07:12 > 0:07:15There was nothing else except mines.

0:07:15 > 0:07:17You were lucky if you got a job, you were lucky

0:07:17 > 0:07:21if you got a job in the mines, and I think, possibly,

0:07:21 > 0:07:26the fact that this was the case gave us a...

0:07:26 > 0:07:32Well, it built us to the fact that we had to try and better ourselves,

0:07:32 > 0:07:34to try and create something or do something.

0:07:39 > 0:07:41Bill had a number of brothers,

0:07:41 > 0:07:45and all five of them played professional football.

0:07:45 > 0:07:50Quite an astonishing feat in those days, for all five of them

0:07:50 > 0:07:53to go on and play professional football at some level or other.

0:07:55 > 0:07:58The game that developed in Scotland was a community game.

0:07:58 > 0:08:00Very, very different from what came out of the

0:08:00 > 0:08:04public schools in England. But what specifically happened was,

0:08:04 > 0:08:08they developed this short passing game and, because of that, it gave

0:08:08 > 0:08:12the Scots an advantage in football so the result of that was that,

0:08:12 > 0:08:17literally, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of boys from Scotland

0:08:17 > 0:08:22went down to England and became the core of the new professional game.

0:08:22 > 0:08:26You know, the English league was started by a Scot, the FA Cup

0:08:26 > 0:08:31was started by a Scot, but it all goes back to these wee communities.

0:08:31 > 0:08:35People like Shankly and Stein were steeped in that tradition

0:08:35 > 0:08:37going back literally hundreds of years.

0:08:48 > 0:08:51Above all, the main aim is that everybody can control the ball,

0:08:51 > 0:08:53and do the basic thing in football.

0:08:53 > 0:08:55It's control and pass, control and pass.

0:08:55 > 0:08:58So this is the whole of you. It's so simple.

0:08:58 > 0:09:01Get it, give an early pass, then it goes from me to somebody else,

0:09:01 > 0:09:03and it switches around.

0:09:03 > 0:09:08So it's all give and take, and give and back up.

0:09:08 > 0:09:10You need help, you get the backing.

0:09:11 > 0:09:14But these guys who were kind of fired by that sense of passion

0:09:14 > 0:09:19and teamwork, and forging common purpose,

0:09:19 > 0:09:22they were very much in the ascendancy with that

0:09:22 > 0:09:24industrialisation and that kind of industrial socialism,

0:09:24 > 0:09:28whereby everybody worked in the same team and played together.

0:09:28 > 0:09:30It came from that ethos, basically.

0:09:32 > 0:09:39The sense of being in it together was immensely powerful.

0:09:39 > 0:09:44There was a strength about it, you know, there was a feeling that

0:09:44 > 0:09:49there was never any doubt about their conviction,

0:09:49 > 0:09:53that they were as good as anybody on the planet,

0:09:53 > 0:09:56and they were prepared to let people know that.

0:09:56 > 0:09:59After a season with Cronberry Juniors,

0:09:59 > 0:10:02then I went to Carlisle as a professional player.

0:10:03 > 0:10:08Well, I went to Carlisle for one season, and at the end of

0:10:08 > 0:10:12that season, Preston North End had been watching me and fancied me,

0:10:12 > 0:10:16and they paid Carlisle £500 for my transfer.

0:10:18 > 0:10:22Well, obviously, this is it, this is Deepdale.

0:10:23 > 0:10:29You can see all the various stands - Sir Tom is behind us, Alan Kelly

0:10:29 > 0:10:32and that's mainly the kind of sponsors' stand,

0:10:32 > 0:10:36but, obviously, there's your man, there's Sir William Shankly.

0:10:36 > 0:10:38Or William Shankly.

0:10:38 > 0:10:42Well, my connection to Preston is, my dad played here

0:10:42 > 0:10:46so I was born about... less than a mile away.

0:10:46 > 0:10:48I think at the age of 12 or 13, I got my first season ticket,

0:10:48 > 0:10:54so it's always been my club, and always will be my club, obviously.

0:10:55 > 0:10:58Because when the transfer was going through, I wasn't going to go.

0:10:58 > 0:10:59Because I said to my brother, Alec,

0:10:59 > 0:11:02"I'm only getting ten shillings more and I'm further away from home".

0:11:02 > 0:11:05He said, "Well, it isn't what you're getting now,

0:11:05 > 0:11:08"it's the opportunity of playing for Preston North End".

0:11:09 > 0:11:13I mean, Preston was a working class town,

0:11:13 > 0:11:15and really had a working class team, but actually,

0:11:15 > 0:11:19when you think about it, it probably had a world-class team.

0:11:19 > 0:11:23A mighty burst of cheering announces the arrival of the King and Queen,

0:11:23 > 0:11:26and the King meets the players, shaking hands first with Preston,

0:11:26 > 0:11:28then with Huddersfield.

0:11:33 > 0:11:37I joined them actually in '36, and I would say

0:11:37 > 0:11:39they were one of the leading sides in those days,

0:11:39 > 0:11:42and always had a very heavy Scottish contingent.

0:11:42 > 0:11:44This was, I think, because it was always one of the sayings

0:11:44 > 0:11:47of the chairman that all the good players come from Scotland,

0:11:47 > 0:11:49of course not forgetting Bill Shankly.

0:11:49 > 0:11:52You mentioned Bill Shankly there. What was he like to play with?

0:11:52 > 0:11:54Oh, Bill was a real character, you know, he was the sort of chap

0:11:54 > 0:11:57that you could be losing the game 3-0, two minutes to go,

0:11:57 > 0:11:59and he would still have his sleeves rolled up,

0:11:59 > 0:12:02and telling you, "Come on, we can beat this team yet".

0:12:02 > 0:12:04The referee gave a penalty to Preston,

0:12:04 > 0:12:07and Mutch, who was the victim, took the kick.

0:12:08 > 0:12:11A goal in the last minute of the match.

0:12:11 > 0:12:13And being in a losing Cup Final,

0:12:13 > 0:12:17and going back the following season and having the winning Cup Final,

0:12:17 > 0:12:21when the final whistle blows at Wembley, and you've won the Cup,

0:12:21 > 0:12:23the elation's unbelievable.

0:12:23 > 0:12:25Oh, it was massive.

0:12:25 > 0:12:28Absolutely massive, because in those days,

0:12:28 > 0:12:31and it would have been the same for me when I was a kid playing in the

0:12:31 > 0:12:34back garden, but in those days you played football in the back garden,

0:12:34 > 0:12:39and scored a goal, it was always a winning goal in the Cup Final.

0:12:39 > 0:12:40It wasn't to win the Premier League,

0:12:40 > 0:12:44it was never to win the Champions League so, obviously,

0:12:44 > 0:12:47for Shanks and for a club like this, it was utopia.

0:12:51 > 0:12:53Remember 1938?

0:12:53 > 0:12:55The Yankees won the Pennant.

0:12:55 > 0:12:58"Wrong Way" Corrigan.

0:12:58 > 0:13:01The last trains ran on the 6th Avenue El.

0:13:01 > 0:13:04Well, John Britain got excited about the same sort of thing.

0:13:04 > 0:13:09The bet he had on the der-by, or, as he would say, the dar-by.

0:13:09 > 0:13:14His job, his kids, getting his exercise on his day off.

0:13:14 > 0:13:16Preston North End taking the football cup.

0:13:22 > 0:13:25Only 300 miles away, people were cheering another kind of event.

0:13:26 > 0:13:28Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!

0:13:28 > 0:13:32I think it's absolutely true that the War cut short his career,

0:13:32 > 0:13:33certainly his international career,

0:13:33 > 0:13:36because football, official football, stopped.

0:13:36 > 0:13:41So, there's a good six, seven years which are wasted during the War

0:13:41 > 0:13:45when he's not really playing as a professional player.

0:13:45 > 0:13:47He's in the RAF.

0:13:52 > 0:13:55Because, when I went to Carlisle, which was my first job,

0:13:55 > 0:13:57I was 35 years of age,

0:13:57 > 0:14:00and I went there, and I knew that I was picking the team.

0:14:00 > 0:14:04I started a junior team then, they'd only one team,

0:14:04 > 0:14:06so I'd a reserve team, and I started another team.

0:14:06 > 0:14:11No, I went to Carlisle with the understanding that if I needed

0:14:11 > 0:14:14a player and they could get the money, then they would buy him.

0:14:14 > 0:14:18He started with Carlisle United, who were in the Third Division North.

0:14:18 > 0:14:22He then goes to Grimsby Town, and then he goes to Workington.

0:14:24 > 0:14:27And when he joins the club, he goes in on the first day,

0:14:27 > 0:14:30goes to switch the light on, and discovers there's no light switch.

0:14:30 > 0:14:32When he asks "Where's the lights here?",

0:14:32 > 0:14:36he's told "We don't have electricity, we've still got gas".

0:14:36 > 0:14:40And it's little surprise that he then moves on to Huddersfield Town.

0:14:46 > 0:14:48The manager of Huddersfield Town at the time

0:14:48 > 0:14:52is a man called Andy Beattie, and Andy Beattie had played with Bill

0:14:52 > 0:14:57at Preston North End, and he offered him the job as coach,

0:14:57 > 0:14:59and Shankly decides to take it,

0:14:59 > 0:15:02although he's been number one in various places.

0:15:04 > 0:15:07Mainly because Huddersfield Town are in the Second Division,

0:15:07 > 0:15:09and they have been a great football team.

0:15:18 > 0:15:20He was a character, as we all know.

0:15:21 > 0:15:25He was the assistant manager with Andy Beattie.

0:15:25 > 0:15:29He then left, and Bill Shankly became the manager.

0:15:29 > 0:15:32But they were like father figures in those days.

0:15:32 > 0:15:34Sounds strange at this time in the world,

0:15:34 > 0:15:39but then it was quite rough, quite tough as well so, if

0:15:39 > 0:15:42it hadn't been for those two guys, I'd have probably gone back home.

0:15:43 > 0:15:49Andy Beattie was a much more calmer guy, as Sir Matt Busby was.

0:15:49 > 0:15:56Shankly was completely different. It was just all go, all the time.

0:15:56 > 0:15:58He learnt me everything in the game of football.

0:16:02 > 0:16:06One day, we were due to play Cardiff City at Huddersfield,

0:16:06 > 0:16:10and the late T V Williams, who was chairman then,

0:16:10 > 0:16:12come down the steps at Huddersfield,

0:16:12 > 0:16:15and I was offered the managership of Liverpool.

0:16:21 > 0:16:23The Kop was famous, even then.

0:16:23 > 0:16:25So I came here because there was potential,

0:16:25 > 0:16:29and it was possible to make Anfield and Liverpool into a team.

0:16:29 > 0:16:33And I knew that there was people here dying to have a team.

0:16:34 > 0:16:38Here, in Liverpool, on Merseyside, we have this great melting pot

0:16:38 > 0:16:42of nations - the Irish, the Welsh, the Scotch,

0:16:42 > 0:16:44and the English, of course.

0:16:44 > 0:16:46We think this is the greatest city in the world, not only

0:16:46 > 0:16:50a great sea port, and certainly not the picture that some people

0:16:50 > 0:16:55have of Liverpool as a dingy, underprivileged slum.

0:16:55 > 0:16:57We've got a great deal to be proud of in Liverpool,

0:16:57 > 0:16:59and we ARE proud of it.

0:17:01 > 0:17:07Liverpool was founded in 1892, and this is where it was founded,

0:17:07 > 0:17:10and ever since, it's been associated with Liverpool Football Club.

0:17:14 > 0:17:18Me grandad used to live opposite the ground, really, you know,

0:17:18 > 0:17:21and me earliest childhood memories were coming up to the ground,

0:17:21 > 0:17:24because me dad used to go to the matches,

0:17:24 > 0:17:28and I'd come out onto this main road here and meet him.

0:17:28 > 0:17:32So, I was obsessed with the game of football from an early age,

0:17:32 > 0:17:34you know. I didn't think it was a unique city,

0:17:34 > 0:17:38I just thought everyone in the world was obsessed with football.

0:17:41 > 0:17:44For our family, where I was, in front of me house

0:17:44 > 0:17:47was a gravel pitch, if you like, and me brother's a couple of years

0:17:47 > 0:17:50older than me, and all his friends were always involved in footy.

0:17:50 > 0:17:53I basically wanted to latch on to them and play as much as I can.

0:17:53 > 0:17:56You know, for Christmas presents and birthday presents, I was often

0:17:56 > 0:17:58getting DVDs, Liverpool DVDs,

0:17:58 > 0:18:02of all the successful teams over the years.

0:18:03 > 0:18:06I'm lucky to have a huge football club on me doorstep,

0:18:06 > 0:18:09because I knew from an early age I wanted to be a footballer,

0:18:09 > 0:18:11and I knew which team I wanted to represent.

0:18:14 > 0:18:16Liverpool is football as a city.

0:18:16 > 0:18:18Every kid wants to play for Liverpool or Everton,

0:18:18 > 0:18:22and there's very few people who haven't got that passion for or

0:18:22 > 0:18:26support one of the sides, or get upset when it's not going well,

0:18:26 > 0:18:27or vice versa.

0:18:27 > 0:18:31Football will always be maybe the biggest thing in the city.

0:18:33 > 0:18:37My early memories of Liverpool Football Club go back a long way,

0:18:37 > 0:18:44because my father was a dyed in the wool Kopite, and Liverpool,

0:18:44 > 0:18:48all my life as far as I remember it, had been in the old Second Division,

0:18:48 > 0:18:54and that was where I was used to having them, and I get the feeling,

0:18:54 > 0:18:57looking back, that a lot of the powers that be at Anfield then

0:18:57 > 0:19:02were quite happy to be a big fish in a smaller pond.

0:19:02 > 0:19:06But this guy, Shankly, turned up from Huddersfield.

0:19:06 > 0:19:12His ambitions were far and above the Second Division.

0:19:14 > 0:19:17I go back even when we was in the First Division,

0:19:17 > 0:19:20before we got relegated in '54,

0:19:20 > 0:19:23and the place was a joke, a dump.

0:19:25 > 0:19:28And when he come, you know, I think it was the training ground,

0:19:28 > 0:19:31Melwood, he completely revamped that, like.

0:19:31 > 0:19:34It was the first time we'd seen anything getting done at Liverpool!

0:19:39 > 0:19:46Well, this is a picture of us winning the league,

0:19:46 > 0:19:52and there you've got Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan,

0:19:52 > 0:19:57Ron Yeats, Ian Callaghan.

0:19:57 > 0:19:58A great team, this was.

0:19:58 > 0:20:02There wasn't a lot of money around, but it was fantastic, really,

0:20:02 > 0:20:08just to be a footballer, so I really put a lot into it, you know.

0:20:08 > 0:20:14Running and kicking a ball, kicking a ball against the wall,

0:20:14 > 0:20:17trying this and that. Yeah. And it came off.

0:20:19 > 0:20:25You know, I told you I was already there when Shankly turned up,

0:20:25 > 0:20:28and Bob Paisley was there then, Joe Fagan was there then,

0:20:28 > 0:20:32Reuben Bennett was there then, and he kept them all on.

0:20:32 > 0:20:36And he says, "This team's going to go places,"

0:20:36 > 0:20:40and he didn't bring anybody with him,

0:20:40 > 0:20:45so I was very lucky, I think, to actually be there at that time.

0:20:46 > 0:20:51Well, before Bill Shankly came, I'd been at the club for...

0:20:51 > 0:20:53I think it was three or four months.

0:20:53 > 0:20:56I joined the ground staff from school in the summer,

0:20:56 > 0:20:57and he came in the October.

0:20:58 > 0:21:02I'd work at the ground during the day from, what,

0:21:02 > 0:21:068:30 till 5:00, and then two nights a week,

0:21:06 > 0:21:09I'd go to training with the amateurs at Melwood.

0:21:09 > 0:21:14And Bill Shankly came, and the first day,

0:21:14 > 0:21:17I had a tea break, and he stopped me.

0:21:17 > 0:21:20I was surprised he knew who I was, you know,

0:21:20 > 0:21:25and he asked me what my routine was. I told him, you know,

0:21:25 > 0:21:29and he said, "You're here to learn your trade son."

0:21:29 > 0:21:31He said, "Tomorrow morning,

0:21:31 > 0:21:36"tell your boss that you're coming training with the professionals".

0:21:36 > 0:21:39You know, it was a big thing for me then.

0:21:39 > 0:21:41Not for my boss at the ground staff,

0:21:41 > 0:21:44but, you know, it was a big thing then.

0:21:44 > 0:21:48Priority first and foremost was to get to know the people,

0:21:48 > 0:21:52the people I was working with, the players I had on my books.

0:21:52 > 0:21:55The ones who I thought were good enough, and weren't good enough.

0:21:55 > 0:21:59I had to make a note of the whole affair,

0:21:59 > 0:22:01so I was to get to know the whole thing and the whole place,

0:22:01 > 0:22:06and to try and instil into the directors, of course, that the

0:22:06 > 0:22:10potential at Liverpool was just as great as anywhere in the world.

0:22:11 > 0:22:17Originally, before Shankly came, the training methods were, like,

0:22:17 > 0:22:21run round the pitch for about two hours, you know, and then

0:22:21 > 0:22:25we'll give you the ball, because you might be hungry for the ball then.

0:22:28 > 0:22:32Always remember coming back from one summer,

0:22:32 > 0:22:39and he'd had the carpenter from Anfield build all these boards,

0:22:39 > 0:22:42you know, "sweat boxes," we used to call them.

0:22:42 > 0:22:45I've never heard that mentioned either or seen it anywhere

0:22:45 > 0:22:47in a training ground.

0:22:47 > 0:22:50So you'd kick the ball, and didn't know where it was coming up,

0:22:50 > 0:22:53and then see where it was coming and you had to hit it again.

0:22:53 > 0:22:56And that was something completely different.

0:22:56 > 0:22:59So you're on from there, he said "You've got to run to

0:22:59 > 0:23:04"that board, hit the ball against the board, collect it, turn,

0:23:04 > 0:23:08"and go to the other one, and keep on doing that as fast as you can".

0:23:08 > 0:23:11He said, "Everything in the game's there, you're giving a pass,

0:23:11 > 0:23:16"taking a pass, turning" and, you know you're getting rest

0:23:16 > 0:23:19and getting fitness training as well,

0:23:19 > 0:23:22so at the end of every game, you were still going strong.

0:23:23 > 0:23:26You see, it's not how long you train,

0:23:26 > 0:23:28it's how much you put into the training.

0:23:28 > 0:23:30Well, the Liverpool training is really based on

0:23:30 > 0:23:32exhaustion and recovery.

0:23:32 > 0:23:34So you were working hard, twisting and turning and

0:23:34 > 0:23:36twisting and turning, which the game's all about.

0:23:36 > 0:23:40If you're fit, you've a tremendous advantage over everybody else.

0:23:40 > 0:23:44Then if you, as Liverpool do, try to give everybody

0:23:44 > 0:23:47a touch of the ball as quick as they can during the match...

0:23:47 > 0:23:48Hunt hooks it, and it's a goal!

0:23:50 > 0:23:52He was like one of you, one of me.

0:23:52 > 0:23:58You know, he wasn't, "I'm a big guy," or anything like that.

0:23:58 > 0:24:03He wanted to be with the players and the people, and he used to say

0:24:03 > 0:24:08"I want this city to actually have this fantastic team,"

0:24:08 > 0:24:11because he loved Liverpool.

0:24:11 > 0:24:14He was so right in a lot of things,

0:24:14 > 0:24:18and then the crowd - they adored him.

0:24:19 > 0:24:24# The Liver Bird upon my chest

0:24:24 > 0:24:29# We are men of Shankly's best

0:24:29 > 0:24:33# A team that plays the Liverpool way

0:24:33 > 0:24:38# And wins the league and a cup in May. #

0:24:39 > 0:24:44- # The Liver Bird upon my chest - (Upon my chest)

0:24:44 > 0:24:50- # We are men of Shankly's best - (Of Shankly's best)

0:24:50 > 0:24:54# A team that plays the Liverpool way

0:24:54 > 0:24:58# And wins the championship in May. #

0:24:58 > 0:25:01Well, Liverpool were in the Second Division,

0:25:01 > 0:25:04and very much the underdogs of the city.

0:25:04 > 0:25:06People at school, the older kids at school,

0:25:06 > 0:25:09their fathers would take them to the match.

0:25:09 > 0:25:10Mostly to watch Everton,

0:25:10 > 0:25:12because they were in the First Division in them days.

0:25:12 > 0:25:16So I pestered and pestered and pestered me dad to take me,

0:25:16 > 0:25:18and me dad wasn't interested in football, believe it or not,

0:25:18 > 0:25:21he was a snooker man.

0:25:21 > 0:25:23So, in the end, he took me.

0:25:23 > 0:25:27It was the Lancashire Senior Cup, and a night match at Goodison.

0:25:28 > 0:25:33So I didn't know who to support, as I had no guidance off me dad,

0:25:33 > 0:25:36but outside he bought me a blue and white bobble hat.

0:25:36 > 0:25:39So, anyway, Everton's floodlights, night game, they must have been

0:25:39 > 0:25:42250 foot high, you could see them throughout the city, you know.

0:25:42 > 0:25:44So when the lights come on,

0:25:44 > 0:25:48it was absolutely dazzling on the football pitch.

0:25:48 > 0:25:50So, Liverpool come out first, the red shirts.

0:25:50 > 0:25:54As soon as I seen the red shirts, I went, "That's my team".

0:25:54 > 0:25:56I just got hold of the blue and white bobble hat,

0:25:56 > 0:25:58and threw it on the floor, and said "Dad, that's my team".

0:25:58 > 0:26:01He said, "I've just bought you a blue and white bobble hat".

0:26:01 > 0:26:03I said, "I don't care, that's my team,"

0:26:03 > 0:26:07and from then on, I was Liverpool mad, all through me life.

0:26:09 > 0:26:13Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Epstein Theatre,

0:26:13 > 0:26:16and our show When Shankly's Dream Came True.

0:26:16 > 0:26:20Now, please welcome onstage your presenter, John Keith.

0:26:20 > 0:26:25APPLAUSE

0:26:25 > 0:26:29Ladies and gentlemen, Bill Shankly, in that wonderful way

0:26:29 > 0:26:33he had of plain speaking, called it "a terrible disgrace".

0:26:33 > 0:26:35He was referring to the fact that,

0:26:35 > 0:26:38when he crossed the Pennines from Huddersfield, and blew into Anfield

0:26:38 > 0:26:43like a whirlwind in December 1959, the club had never won the FA Cup.

0:26:44 > 0:26:48- VOICEOVER:- When Shankly arrived, he knew he had to find heroes

0:26:48 > 0:26:51and he had Tommy Lawrence, the goalkeeper,

0:26:51 > 0:26:55who'd been there a long time, and he brought him in eventually

0:26:55 > 0:26:59as first choice goalkeeper, and then he went out and signed Ian St John

0:26:59 > 0:27:03and Ron Yeats, to complete what Shankly called his "Spine Theory".

0:27:03 > 0:27:06You've got to have strength right down the middle.

0:27:06 > 0:27:09Well, Shankly left Huddersfield because he thought

0:27:09 > 0:27:12they lacked ambition and they kept on selling their best players,

0:27:12 > 0:27:16and he tried to get Ron Yeats and Ian St John at Huddersfield,

0:27:16 > 0:27:19and the board had said, "We haven't got the money".

0:27:19 > 0:27:21So when Liverpool came knocking,

0:27:21 > 0:27:25one of the provisos was that Liverpool had money to spend.

0:27:25 > 0:27:27When he started to try and buy players,

0:27:27 > 0:27:31the board said, "Well, we haven't got the money",

0:27:31 > 0:27:34so he felt as if he'd been duped slightly.

0:27:34 > 0:27:39So after about 18 months, a man come onto the board, called Mr Sawyer.

0:27:41 > 0:27:44He'd come from the Littlewoods organisation.

0:27:44 > 0:27:47He was an ambitious man, big man in the mail order.

0:27:48 > 0:27:52So, St John come onto the market. I went to the board meeting,

0:27:52 > 0:27:56and I said that St John of Motherwell could be for sale.

0:27:56 > 0:27:58And they were talking about the price,

0:27:58 > 0:28:02and somebody says, "We can't afford to sign him,"

0:28:02 > 0:28:05but Mr Sawyer said, "We can't afford NOT to sign him".

0:28:07 > 0:28:11A question a lot of people ask me is about the St John chant,

0:28:11 > 0:28:15which started with a record called Let's Go by The Routers,

0:28:15 > 0:28:20because, like a lot of music in this city in the early '60s,

0:28:20 > 0:28:26it came from America, in the suitcases of merchant seamen.

0:28:26 > 0:28:28That was how the Merseybeat era got started,

0:28:28 > 0:28:31by all the imported music.

0:28:31 > 0:28:32You know the handclap, the...

0:28:35 > 0:28:38RHYTHMIC CLAPPING

0:28:38 > 0:28:39Let's go!

0:28:54 > 0:28:57A spectacular header by St John puts Liverpool in front.

0:28:59 > 0:29:01He was the beginning, he set the place on fire.

0:29:05 > 0:29:10Well, I'd never met anybody quite like him, and I think if you asked

0:29:10 > 0:29:14any of the players of our era, they would tell you the same thing.

0:29:14 > 0:29:20I mean, he was overpowering, and he was football mad, football crazy.

0:29:20 > 0:29:26And, his confidence in us coming down to English football,

0:29:26 > 0:29:31and settling in and being a big part of it, was great,

0:29:31 > 0:29:33because he made us believe.

0:29:34 > 0:29:38Liverpool were looking for a centre half, and he come marching out,

0:29:38 > 0:29:41looking up at me, and he said, "Bloody hell",

0:29:41 > 0:29:45he said, "Big lad, you must be about seven foot tall".

0:29:45 > 0:29:47I said "No, I'm six foot three".

0:29:47 > 0:29:50He says "That's near enough seven foot for me, son".

0:29:50 > 0:29:55And the thing about the players that played under him -

0:29:55 > 0:30:00you learned from him in that it was about giving rather than taking,

0:30:00 > 0:30:02you know, and money never came into it.

0:30:05 > 0:30:09Yeah, he liked honest players.

0:30:09 > 0:30:12I always remember, he asked me, talking about one particular

0:30:12 > 0:30:19player, I said, "He might not have had the ability, but he was honest".

0:30:19 > 0:30:25And he went "That's one of the main things in life, son, being honest".

0:30:27 > 0:30:30Well, Ian, you and Ron Yeats and the boys there, you certainly

0:30:30 > 0:30:34wasted little time in putting Liverpool back on the football map.

0:30:34 > 0:30:37In your first season, Shankly's new side stormed to promotion

0:30:37 > 0:30:40back to the top flight as Second Division champions.

0:30:40 > 0:30:43Ian, you and Roger Hunt scored a total of 59 league goals...

0:30:43 > 0:30:47Yeah, they made a big difference, those two.

0:30:47 > 0:30:52They came off pretty quick, and of course, they were Scottish as well

0:30:52 > 0:30:57and, you know, he was more friendly with the Scottish than the English.

0:30:59 > 0:31:01But they were two really good players.

0:31:12 > 0:31:13For most of Britain,

0:31:13 > 0:31:16the Glorious 21st marks the start of the real shooting season.

0:31:16 > 0:31:19Shooting for goals, and a jackpot on the pools.

0:31:19 > 0:31:21Principal match of the day was between Liverpool and Arsenal,

0:31:21 > 0:31:24and the league champions served notice that they were

0:31:24 > 0:31:25out for blood this season, too.

0:31:25 > 0:31:28Here they come, Liverpool first, then Arsenal.

0:31:28 > 0:31:31Well, the boss always said... When he'd come to Anfield,

0:31:31 > 0:31:36he said, "It's a disgrace that this team has never won the FA Cup".

0:31:37 > 0:31:41Even for us in Scotland, everybody wanted to see the FA Cup Final,

0:31:41 > 0:31:47it was the huge game, so when I came down here, Shanks was on about,

0:31:47 > 0:31:50"We must win this cup for the fans".

0:31:53 > 0:31:56MUSIC: Shankly's Dream

0:31:56 > 0:31:59I was going from the year dot watching Liverpool,

0:31:59 > 0:32:04but when you talked about the Cup Final, Evertonians, always the thing

0:32:04 > 0:32:07that they always had over us, always, all the time,

0:32:07 > 0:32:10"But you've never won the Cup, you've never won the Cup,"

0:32:10 > 0:32:15and the well-known saying any time you got in any conversation was,

0:32:15 > 0:32:18"The Liver Bird'll fly away before you win the Cup".

0:32:18 > 0:32:21So, when we got to the final against a good team,

0:32:21 > 0:32:26the whole city of Liverpool really wanted to get to that final.

0:32:26 > 0:32:28Just... The build-up was unbelievable.

0:32:29 > 0:32:31- CHANTING:- Shankly! Shankly!

0:32:31 > 0:32:34We get to '65, and we battle our way through to it,

0:32:34 > 0:32:39and we're playing Leeds United, who were the next up-and-coming team.

0:32:39 > 0:32:43Don Revie had got some great players there. Hard players.

0:32:46 > 0:32:48The warriors in the War of the Roses -

0:32:48 > 0:32:51the red rose of Lancashire, the white of Yorkshire.

0:32:51 > 0:32:53It was going to be a bit of a game,

0:32:53 > 0:32:56because they were great rivals as well,

0:32:56 > 0:33:00because Revie was of the same sort of ilk as Shanks, you know.

0:33:02 > 0:33:06I come from a big family, and we were all Reds, you know,

0:33:06 > 0:33:08and they'd never won the FA Cup,

0:33:08 > 0:33:14and getting tickets for that final was the hard thing for me.

0:33:14 > 0:33:15Liverpool all in red...

0:33:15 > 0:33:19I'll tell you a story - we went out at Wembley to win that Cup,

0:33:19 > 0:33:22and I said, "Listen, if it takes us four weeks to win this Cup,

0:33:22 > 0:33:24"we're going to win it" and, goodness gracious,

0:33:24 > 0:33:27within ten minutes, Gerry Byrne had a broken collarbone.

0:33:27 > 0:33:30And it was a heartbreaking thing, and we knew it.

0:33:30 > 0:33:33Bob Paisley come up, he said, "The collarbone's gone".

0:33:33 > 0:33:35I said, "Oh, no".

0:33:35 > 0:33:39And terrible pain, they should have given him all the medals.

0:33:39 > 0:33:45So we're playing up to half-time, go in, and the trainer, Bob Paisley,

0:33:45 > 0:33:49gets his jersey off, has a look at it, gives it a little

0:33:49 > 0:33:54spray with something. "It's only broken." And then we go out,

0:33:54 > 0:33:59because there were no substitutes, we go out and play the second half.

0:33:59 > 0:34:02And so for the first time since 1947,

0:34:02 > 0:34:03the Cup Final went into extra time.

0:34:05 > 0:34:13Roger scored, and then Billy Bremner scored a smashing goal,

0:34:13 > 0:34:19and then I got the goal with a header from Ian Callaghan's cross.

0:34:19 > 0:34:21St John made no mistake this time!

0:34:26 > 0:34:30And that was it then, we were hanging on with nine minutes to go.

0:34:31 > 0:34:35Nine minutes never dragged like that, but finally they did it,

0:34:35 > 0:34:40and all the fans who'd lived their lives without ever winning the Cup

0:34:40 > 0:34:46at Liverpool, get what they'd wanted all the time.

0:34:50 > 0:34:52And, of course, the boss, to win it...

0:34:52 > 0:34:55If he had never won another thing, that was it.

0:34:57 > 0:35:01The euphoria in London after that. It was just... You couldn't...

0:35:01 > 0:35:03You couldn't go through it again.

0:35:07 > 0:35:11And then when that happened, everything seemed to change.

0:35:15 > 0:35:20Only later on you realise what the team's done, you know,

0:35:20 > 0:35:22like, coming back on

0:35:22 > 0:35:26the Sunday seeing all the supporters when we got back to Liverpool.

0:35:29 > 0:35:32You can sense the sheer vitality of these Liverpudlians

0:35:32 > 0:35:34as they massed in uncountable numbers...

0:35:34 > 0:35:36I've never seen so many people, you know,

0:35:36 > 0:35:40they were hanging off buildings, lights and everything.

0:35:40 > 0:35:44Even when The Beatles came back and did a tour, when they were

0:35:44 > 0:35:47at the height of their fame, they didn't get as many people as we got.

0:35:47 > 0:35:49Unbelievable.

0:35:51 > 0:35:57Oh, yeah, the 1965 FA Cup win was the pinnacle really, because

0:35:57 > 0:36:02Liverpool had tried for 73 years to win the FA Cup and never had done.

0:36:02 > 0:36:06So, for this man to come along and take them to the Holy Grail,

0:36:06 > 0:36:09which it then was, the FA Cup, was huge.

0:36:09 > 0:36:12And even though they won the league each side of the FA Cup,

0:36:12 > 0:36:15they had won the league before but they'd never won the FA Cup

0:36:15 > 0:36:21and it really changed Shankly's persona in the eyes of the fans,

0:36:21 > 0:36:25because this man was then the man who'd led them to the promised land.

0:36:27 > 0:36:31Well, in all honesty, he had a Scottish accent but if he wasn't

0:36:31 > 0:36:35a Scouser in another life - that's the best way I can sum him up.

0:36:35 > 0:36:39Everything that we were or we think we are, that was Shankly.

0:36:39 > 0:36:43And being a good socialist helps with me, like, you know what I mean?

0:36:44 > 0:36:48He was actually part of the fans, should we say.

0:36:48 > 0:36:54He wasn't in any way detached and he enjoyed the success with the fans.

0:36:54 > 0:36:57More than anything else he just got everyone up for it.

0:36:57 > 0:36:59They were really up for it, you know,

0:36:59 > 0:37:03and everyone kind of bonded together and he was just one of the people.

0:37:03 > 0:37:06He was just one of the people, but like a leader of the people, really.

0:37:08 > 0:37:10Yeah, I mean, his link with the people,

0:37:10 > 0:37:12with the fans was quite incredible.

0:37:12 > 0:37:14His house in Bellefield Avenue,

0:37:14 > 0:37:17he actually had the front garden paved over because

0:37:17 > 0:37:22so many people knocked on his door and they'd always get invited in.

0:37:23 > 0:37:26That's it there, I recognise it immediately.

0:37:26 > 0:37:31This used to be grass, basically, but because of people coming

0:37:31 > 0:37:35and knocking on the door all the time, it literally just wore

0:37:35 > 0:37:40away so, at some point, my gran just asked him to sort it out.

0:37:42 > 0:37:45People have got stories, so many stories about coming to

0:37:45 > 0:37:49the door and him inviting them in or always being very welcoming.

0:37:49 > 0:37:52You know, football without people, without people watching,

0:37:52 > 0:37:56without supporters, is absolutely nothing.

0:37:56 > 0:37:59I mean, there's no noise, there's no enthusiasm,

0:37:59 > 0:38:01there's no shouting, there's no passion.

0:38:01 > 0:38:02There's nothing.

0:38:02 > 0:38:06So, for him, all of that, and being accessible to the people who

0:38:06 > 0:38:11would come and watch faithfully, was kind of really, really important.

0:38:11 > 0:38:14You know, that was where the joy, the passion came from.

0:38:15 > 0:38:19There's simply no way nowadays of keeping this huge Merseyside

0:38:19 > 0:38:20city out of the headlines.

0:38:21 > 0:38:24So that's the memories that people have.

0:38:26 > 0:38:30Not just the players but all the fans and then, of course, on

0:38:30 > 0:38:34the Tuesday night we're here to play the semifinal of the European Cup.

0:38:37 > 0:38:40# ..and the sweet silver song of a lark... #

0:38:42 > 0:38:47At the age of 11, one of my abiding memories

0:38:47 > 0:38:50was 1965.

0:38:50 > 0:38:53We'd just become FA Cup winners for the first time

0:38:53 > 0:38:56and we were playing the great Inter Milan at Anfield.

0:38:56 > 0:38:59You couldn't get a ticket for love nor money.

0:38:59 > 0:39:01How my mum did it, I don't know,

0:39:01 > 0:39:06but she got three tickets and we were right on the front row.

0:39:06 > 0:39:12# ..with hope in your hearts and you'll never walk alone... #

0:39:12 > 0:39:15The gates had been closed by about 5.15,

0:39:15 > 0:39:18so many people wanted to go to that game,

0:39:18 > 0:39:22and we were all on the Kop and all the Kop was chanting "We want

0:39:22 > 0:39:24to see the cup, we want to see the cup,"

0:39:24 > 0:39:26and Shankly has this brainwave.

0:39:28 > 0:39:31Gerry Byrne, with his arm in a sling, and Gordon Milne,

0:39:31 > 0:39:35who missed the final because he was injured, parade the cup.

0:39:39 > 0:39:45And it's one of the highlights of anybody's career

0:39:45 > 0:39:48to see that and remember it.

0:39:48 > 0:39:51I'm getting nostalgic about remembering it.

0:39:51 > 0:39:53The lads went out to a packed house.

0:39:58 > 0:40:01And we're playing against THE great team, Inter Milan,

0:40:01 > 0:40:03who were probably the best team in Europe at that time.

0:40:03 > 0:40:07Shanks had us believing this was our time, this was the team,

0:40:07 > 0:40:12and it was just an absolute wonderful spectacle.

0:40:13 > 0:40:18I scored in the fourth minute to start it off.

0:40:18 > 0:40:25The crowd were absolutely... I've never heard a crowd like that.

0:40:25 > 0:40:28Hunt. A goal. A great goal, a great goal by Hunt.

0:40:28 > 0:40:31And I remember he done this celebration which he

0:40:31 > 0:40:33jumped in the air and twirled in the air.

0:40:33 > 0:40:35We were all doing it at school the following week,

0:40:35 > 0:40:38it was something that hadn't been seen, a celebration like that,

0:40:38 > 0:40:41and I remember it vividly.

0:40:42 > 0:40:45..and that could put Liverpool in the final.

0:40:45 > 0:40:48To beat that team with our team at the time, which was just

0:40:48 > 0:40:49growing, was just incredible.

0:40:51 > 0:40:54Had we beaten Milan over there, and got through,

0:40:54 > 0:40:57we could have won the European Cup.

0:40:57 > 0:41:00Shanks would have been the first manager to do that.

0:41:00 > 0:41:03It would have been great for him and I think about that,

0:41:03 > 0:41:07then I think "Did we let you down, boss?"

0:41:07 > 0:41:10But that was out of our hands, really,

0:41:10 > 0:41:14the Milan game in Milan, when we were cheated out of it.

0:41:17 > 0:41:20The replay, Shankly was very angry

0:41:20 > 0:41:22because there were a number of dubious goals.

0:41:22 > 0:41:26The ball was kicked out of Tommy Lawrence's hand, there was

0:41:26 > 0:41:29a free kick which was supposed to be indirect

0:41:29 > 0:41:33but they scored directly from it and the referee had allowed it.

0:41:33 > 0:41:35The referee was said to have been bribed.

0:41:36 > 0:41:40Shanks was told, "You'll not win this game over there.

0:41:40 > 0:41:45"You'll not win this game with this referee," and it was a fact,

0:41:45 > 0:41:48without a doubt, he had been got at.

0:41:50 > 0:41:53We were very disappointed about that

0:41:53 > 0:41:58because we thought we were going to win it, you know.

0:42:00 > 0:42:05But we got beat and you can't take it back, but, yeah, I think

0:42:05 > 0:42:06we got a raw deal.

0:42:08 > 0:42:14But the boss went on and we were still picking up trophies.

0:42:15 > 0:42:19It got to the stage where it was a team, you know.

0:42:19 > 0:42:21Everybody was aware of what was going on.

0:42:21 > 0:42:25The players were brought up not to worry, not you to worry

0:42:25 > 0:42:30as an individual too much because we wouldn't expect you just yourself

0:42:30 > 0:42:31to win the game.

0:42:31 > 0:42:33We want not only to share the ball,

0:42:33 > 0:42:35share the game, but to share the worries and all.

0:42:35 > 0:42:37BAGPIPES PLAY

0:42:53 > 0:42:56You know, obviously, we've come to Glenbuck.

0:42:56 > 0:43:02For me, it's a very emotional occasion. Shankly's spiritual home.

0:43:02 > 0:43:06I think it's a testimony to what he meant to people,

0:43:06 > 0:43:09so many people here and people made the effort to come here.

0:43:09 > 0:43:13You know, we came here for the 50th anniversary of the Cup Final and I

0:43:13 > 0:43:18was probably too young to appreciate it but I remember my dad was

0:43:18 > 0:43:22at the match, I remember him coming home from Wembley, and my grandad,

0:43:22 > 0:43:27who first took me to the match and lived in Granton Road opposite the

0:43:27 > 0:43:30Kop, when he found out they'd won the cup my grandad burst into tears

0:43:30 > 0:43:34and I think that was the reaction for a lot of people in Liverpool.

0:43:34 > 0:43:38Bill Shankly said it was his proudest moment.

0:43:38 > 0:43:42When you get to Glenbuck, you know, there's an eerie silence there,

0:43:42 > 0:43:47but you think this is his village and this is what chiselled him

0:43:47 > 0:43:49into the man he was.

0:43:49 > 0:43:51He was infallible, you know, to us.

0:43:52 > 0:43:55Looking back on it now, obviously he was a human being

0:43:55 > 0:43:57but we elevate it to something else.

0:43:59 > 0:44:02This is not just football, this is more than that.

0:44:02 > 0:44:04Bill Shankly died 30-odd years ago

0:44:04 > 0:44:09and his spirit lives on, and when we started the Spirit Of Shankly that

0:44:09 > 0:44:14was the idea behind that, because we wanted to keep his ideology alive.

0:44:20 > 0:44:24Years of disconnect now between Liverpool Football Club

0:44:24 > 0:44:25and the local community

0:44:25 > 0:44:28because, basically, you can't afford to go any more, you know.

0:44:28 > 0:44:30Our sport is football, as working class people, and I'm not

0:44:30 > 0:44:33ashamed to say I'm working class, I'm quite proud of that.

0:44:33 > 0:44:36Now, obviously it's been taken out of our hands at the moment

0:44:36 > 0:44:39by greedy people, basically, who've got involved in football

0:44:39 > 0:44:41because of the money that's involved.

0:44:43 > 0:44:44When Shankly came,

0:44:44 > 0:44:48the clubs on Merseyside were still rooted in the community.

0:44:48 > 0:44:50Obviously now it's a global brand,

0:44:50 > 0:44:56but I think Shankly would be shaking his head saying, you know,

0:44:56 > 0:44:58you should keep those links with the community otherwise you've

0:44:58 > 0:45:00lost your soul.

0:45:01 > 0:45:03I think it's probably kicked in since '92, as well,

0:45:03 > 0:45:05when the Premier League was formed.

0:45:05 > 0:45:08Obviously the huge swathes of money that have come into the game now

0:45:08 > 0:45:11have made the clubs conglomerate businesses, basically.

0:45:11 > 0:45:13Luckily enough, there's enough of us still around to try and make it

0:45:13 > 0:45:18better for future generations but we need to get the clubs back to being

0:45:18 > 0:45:21community-based, I think, and that's why we're doing the protest at the

0:45:21 > 0:45:24moment, you know, we're trying to get it back to somewhere like that.

0:45:24 > 0:45:25It's going to be a hard slog.

0:45:28 > 0:45:30No, I agree with you, but I think that the game moves on,

0:45:30 > 0:45:32it does change.

0:45:32 > 0:45:35I'm not sure how Bill Shankly would find it today,

0:45:35 > 0:45:38he'd probably be a bit wound up with how it works now

0:45:38 > 0:45:41but we all do talk about the corporate side of football and

0:45:41 > 0:45:44the business side of it, it's run like a business,

0:45:44 > 0:45:45and I think sometimes

0:45:45 > 0:45:48that is lost, that at the end of the day it's a game of football.

0:45:48 > 0:45:51Ticket prices now is a big thing, the way we treat supporters.

0:45:51 > 0:45:56It feels like a lot of the time it's any which way you can to extract

0:45:56 > 0:45:59more money from supporters - kits, season tickets,

0:45:59 > 0:46:03tickets for away games, travel, whatever it may be,

0:46:03 > 0:46:05it feels like it's a constant sort of charge on the man

0:46:05 > 0:46:09on the street, who, without them, what would football be?

0:46:10 > 0:46:14I mean, football is about being with your friends, having a laugh,

0:46:14 > 0:46:17going to the match, and it's sort of something you build up over

0:46:17 > 0:46:21the years and you take your children then and it's kind of important.

0:46:21 > 0:46:25It keeps the communities together, and if they are just

0:46:25 > 0:46:30treated as customers then that's definitely not what my grandad was

0:46:30 > 0:46:34about and that's not what he wanted Liverpool Football Club to be about.

0:46:39 > 0:46:44Being in Liverpool in the 1960s was the greatest place on earth.

0:46:44 > 0:46:48We had the football, whether you were red or whether you were blue,

0:46:48 > 0:46:51we had the two best football teams in the country,

0:46:51 > 0:46:52and we had the music.

0:46:52 > 0:46:56You felt like the spotlight of the world was on Liverpool.

0:47:01 > 0:47:04It was a marvellous place to be, yeah, it was.

0:47:08 > 0:47:10# Our day will come

0:47:12 > 0:47:16# And we'll have everything

0:47:18 > 0:47:20# We'll share the joy... #

0:47:20 > 0:47:26I think I was lucky, lucky to be there at the right time, you know.

0:47:26 > 0:47:27I was very lucky.

0:47:29 > 0:47:31It was a great time to be a Scouser.

0:47:33 > 0:47:36You know, it was incredible,

0:47:36 > 0:47:4128,000 on the Kop singing The Beatles' songs, taking

0:47:41 > 0:47:44Gerry And The Pacemakers' You'll Never Walk Alone as their anthem.

0:47:46 > 0:47:47It was astonishing.

0:47:49 > 0:47:51Saturday's weather perfect for an historic Scouse occasion.

0:47:51 > 0:47:53They would be the champions of England

0:47:53 > 0:47:56and they wanted their own people to see them become so.

0:47:56 > 0:47:59They care so much about football.

0:48:01 > 0:48:04# She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah... #

0:48:04 > 0:48:06When you seen the Kop in full flow,

0:48:06 > 0:48:10and you were in there as part of that flow, you could

0:48:10 > 0:48:13feel that energy, and I think

0:48:13 > 0:48:16one of the best comments you can

0:48:16 > 0:48:20make about Bill Shankly is that he was able to bring that energy out

0:48:20 > 0:48:26and transform it into his team and onto the terraces and everybody

0:48:26 > 0:48:31wanted to be part of the Shankly revolution, and I was no different.

0:48:32 > 0:48:34Natural enthusiasm, that's the whole thing.

0:48:34 > 0:48:37It's the greatest thing in the world, natural enthusiasm.

0:48:37 > 0:48:40You're nothing without it.

0:48:40 > 0:48:45I used to dream about playing for Liverpool, every night.

0:48:45 > 0:48:47It was a dream I never ever thought would come true

0:48:47 > 0:48:51because there was only a handful of black players playing

0:48:51 > 0:48:54professional football and I remember,

0:48:54 > 0:48:59through the school holidays, we used to always go to Melwood

0:48:59 > 0:49:03and climb on the walls to watch Liverpool train, and he'd come out.

0:49:03 > 0:49:05He'd come out onto the road.

0:49:05 > 0:49:08"How come you lot aren't in school?"

0:49:08 > 0:49:11And he'd say to us in that dulcet Scottish accent,

0:49:11 > 0:49:14"Make sure you get your education, you need your education

0:49:14 > 0:49:16"if you want to play for Liverpool."

0:49:16 > 0:49:18And this was like this is your invitation,

0:49:18 > 0:49:22if you want to play for Liverpool, but you need your education.

0:49:22 > 0:49:26Unbelievable. Unbelievable that a man of that stature and he come out.

0:49:26 > 0:49:29He was very intense, you know, about football.

0:49:29 > 0:49:35He loved the supporters and he didn't like us letting them down.

0:49:35 > 0:49:39If we got beat or whatever, he took it personally.

0:49:41 > 0:49:46And he spoke and the whole city just shut up and listened

0:49:46 > 0:49:50and he spoke to their hearts and they understood what

0:49:50 > 0:49:53he was talking about and they really did idolise the guy.

0:49:54 > 0:49:58It was just an amazing experience and that was just an offshoot of,

0:49:58 > 0:50:01he's still a football manager,

0:50:01 > 0:50:04and at the time he could have done anything.

0:50:04 > 0:50:07In our language there's words that are similarity, you know,

0:50:07 > 0:50:10they're spelt differently but they mean the same thing.

0:50:10 > 0:50:13And there's words that mean the same thing

0:50:13 > 0:50:17but the big men use these words, knowing full well that maybe

0:50:17 > 0:50:2110% of the viewers will understand what he means.

0:50:21 > 0:50:26Well, we don't. We speak the language that everybody understands.

0:50:26 > 0:50:29Instead of me saying someone was avaricious,

0:50:29 > 0:50:31I would say he was bloody greedy.

0:50:33 > 0:50:38I mean, his bark was worse than his bite.

0:50:38 > 0:50:40He was a bit soft underneath.

0:50:43 > 0:50:49It's hard, if you try to get rid of somebody, it's not easy, is it?

0:50:50 > 0:50:54You know, like Shankly in my situation,

0:50:54 > 0:51:00because I had a great time there, and I owed a lot to him,

0:51:00 > 0:51:03and it was difficult for him to let me go.

0:51:04 > 0:51:08Bob Paisley said that one of the things he observed about

0:51:08 > 0:51:10Bill Shankly was his loyalty to players

0:51:10 > 0:51:11and he said, "You can be too loyal."

0:51:13 > 0:51:20He was in a place just down the corridor and Bob Paisley said,

0:51:20 > 0:51:23"The boss wants to see you."

0:51:23 > 0:51:28So, you're walking down thinking, "What does the boss want?"

0:51:28 > 0:51:34And then, when he started talking, his first thing was,

0:51:34 > 0:51:37"How do you think you're playing?"

0:51:37 > 0:51:42And I said, "I think I'm playing well," you know,

0:51:42 > 0:51:44because I wasn't playing all that well.

0:51:44 > 0:51:49"Hmmm." Didn't know what to say. He said, "Oh.

0:51:49 > 0:51:53"The directors don't think you're playing well."

0:51:53 > 0:51:55I said, "Well, how long is it

0:51:55 > 0:51:58"since you've started taking notice of directors?"

0:51:58 > 0:52:02And he said, "You're bloody right, son!

0:52:02 > 0:52:05"You go and get changed."

0:52:05 > 0:52:09But that was the beginning, you know, he'd warned me there.

0:52:10 > 0:52:16He had this great affiliation with the players who'd done him

0:52:16 > 0:52:18proud throughout the mid-'60s,

0:52:18 > 0:52:22who'd done all these great things, bringing the first FA Cup.

0:52:22 > 0:52:26So to have to change that must have hurt him a lot

0:52:26 > 0:52:30but he knew that he had to do it because they'd all come to a point.

0:52:30 > 0:52:32It was as though it was like a brick wall - bam,

0:52:32 > 0:52:36hit it, I have to do this and this is going to hurt me.

0:52:36 > 0:52:42Some of the great players all started to move on and I was,

0:52:42 > 0:52:43if you want, at the hub of it

0:52:43 > 0:52:48because I'd just signed in '69 as an apprentice, so you were seeing this

0:52:48 > 0:52:53team evolve now with these younger players being given a chance.

0:52:53 > 0:52:57So it was like a new spark again and it was, again,

0:52:57 > 0:52:59a great place to be and to be part of it

0:52:59 > 0:53:03and I was on the inside witnessing what was going on.

0:53:03 > 0:53:06CROWD: Toshack! Toshack!

0:53:07 > 0:53:10At that time, I was £110,000,

0:53:10 > 0:53:12it was a record signing.

0:53:12 > 0:53:16Doesn't seem like it now, I mean they earn more than that a day now.

0:53:16 > 0:53:22Fortunately, as I'd done with Cardiff, I scored in front

0:53:22 > 0:53:25of the Kop, my first game against Everton.

0:53:25 > 0:53:29A game that we won 3-2 after being 2-0 down at half time,

0:53:29 > 0:53:32so that got me off on the right foot, you know, with the Kopites

0:53:32 > 0:53:36and with Shanks and, as I mentioned to you earlier, we were all young

0:53:36 > 0:53:40lads who came from lower divisions and he just pieced us together.

0:53:40 > 0:53:44Didn't work or tell us about our bad points,

0:53:44 > 0:53:48just pushed forward our good points and put us

0:53:48 > 0:53:53into areas of the field where we would be able to perform and gel

0:53:53 > 0:53:58together as a team, and coached us and trained us so that we were fit.

0:53:59 > 0:54:02If you want to fix your taps, you send for a plumber,

0:54:02 > 0:54:05if you want to fix your electrics, you send for an electrician.

0:54:05 > 0:54:07We had specialist places for these players.

0:54:07 > 0:54:10We didn't complicate them, we gave them something that was,

0:54:10 > 0:54:13basically, easy to understand.

0:54:13 > 0:54:17And this is what football's all about, it's really a simple game.

0:54:20 > 0:54:23CROWD: Kevin Keegan! Kevin Keegan!

0:54:23 > 0:54:26Would you welcome the chance to move on to another club?

0:54:26 > 0:54:28It depends what sort of club, really.

0:54:32 > 0:54:35I remember my manager, Ron Ashman, at Scunthorpe, picking me

0:54:35 > 0:54:37up in his car.

0:54:37 > 0:54:41I had a new suit that I'd bought and obviously I knew a little bit about

0:54:41 > 0:54:46him because Liverpool were starting to get a big club, and he was...

0:54:46 > 0:54:47But I didn't really know him,

0:54:47 > 0:54:51and he was fantastic from the minute I met him, you know.

0:54:51 > 0:54:54He just came out and said "Son, welcome to Liverpool,

0:54:54 > 0:54:58"the best club in England, maybe the world."

0:54:58 > 0:54:59I can remember him saying that.

0:54:59 > 0:55:01He was saying, "We get 26,000 people

0:55:01 > 0:55:03"standing behind that goal, son."

0:55:03 > 0:55:07I was playing in front of 3,000 people in the whole stadium

0:55:07 > 0:55:11but, to be honest with you, I was such a small signing in

0:55:11 > 0:55:13the scheme of things that it just went

0:55:13 > 0:55:15right under the radar, you know.

0:55:15 > 0:55:19I wasn't supposed to be a player for the time present,

0:55:19 > 0:55:21I was one for the future, maybe.

0:55:21 > 0:55:25Well, I found out about Kevin Keegan from Andrew Beattie,

0:55:25 > 0:55:29who used to be manager at Huddersfield Town

0:55:29 > 0:55:32and Peter Doherty, who was scouting then for Preston North End,

0:55:32 > 0:55:35was on about him too and I thought, "Christ, they can't both be wrong".

0:55:35 > 0:55:37He was first in everything.

0:55:37 > 0:55:42Oh, he was a fantastic little fella and I've never seen such enthusiasm.

0:55:42 > 0:55:45You could tell right from the start he was out to prove a point.

0:55:45 > 0:55:49You know, from his humble background, hard brought up, father

0:55:49 > 0:55:53a miner and all that, and this was the kind of background

0:55:53 > 0:55:54I had an' all.

0:55:55 > 0:56:01So Keegan, right from the start, didn't want to lose, was a winner.

0:56:01 > 0:56:04He's one of the great signings anyone's ever made, I think,

0:56:04 > 0:56:06Kevin Keegan.

0:56:06 > 0:56:07Originally, strangely enough,

0:56:07 > 0:56:11he was going to replace Ian Callaghan in midfield.

0:56:11 > 0:56:16That's how they saw Kevin and it was a sheer accident that, just before

0:56:16 > 0:56:22the start of the '71/'72 season, they had a practice match and they

0:56:22 > 0:56:26put Kevin up front alongside John Toshack and it was a revelation.

0:56:28 > 0:56:33Keegan, Shankly did have this father and son relationship.

0:56:33 > 0:56:35I was in the reserve team in pre-season

0:56:35 > 0:56:40when Kevin had first come, and I remember playing at Southport

0:56:40 > 0:56:43and Ronnie Moran was the reserve team manager.

0:56:44 > 0:56:48And he's gone like that. The game was 0-0 at half time,

0:56:48 > 0:56:51Keegan's come in, he's only just joined the club - long hair,

0:56:51 > 0:56:54which was, like, forbidden, and we were all like that

0:56:54 > 0:56:57"Oh, Reuben Bennett will tell you you've got to get your hair cut."

0:56:57 > 0:56:59He says, "Nobody tells me to get my hair cut,

0:56:59 > 0:57:03"I decide," and I was like... And he did, he kept to that.

0:57:03 > 0:57:05And we played and, at half time,

0:57:05 > 0:57:08Ronnie Moran was, like, we never looked like scoring.

0:57:08 > 0:57:11So Keegan comes in, he goes, "We're never going to score a goal,

0:57:11 > 0:57:12"never going to score a goal".

0:57:12 > 0:57:15Kevin was more of an attacking midfield player and he said

0:57:15 > 0:57:17"Oh, do you think you can do better?"

0:57:17 > 0:57:19And he said, "Yeah, I can," and we were all like that, "Wow."

0:57:19 > 0:57:22And he said, "Right, you're playing up front."

0:57:22 > 0:57:25Played up front, was different class. We won 2-0.

0:57:27 > 0:57:32Before the season started we had a First Team vs Reserves game

0:57:32 > 0:57:35and normally the Reserves beat the First Team, that was the way

0:57:35 > 0:57:37it was, because everybody was more pumped up.

0:57:37 > 0:57:39Keegan played in the First Team,

0:57:39 > 0:57:41the First Team battered the Reserves.

0:57:41 > 0:57:45He was in the team on the Saturday for the opening game of the season.

0:57:46 > 0:57:49The first game, I'm not in the programme,

0:57:49 > 0:57:51I had a struggle getting to the ground because the guy who

0:57:51 > 0:57:54had the yellow jacket on, when I said, "I'm playing," he sort

0:57:54 > 0:57:59of said to me, "Yeah, so am I, son," you know, and he turned me round.

0:57:59 > 0:58:04So, I wasn't on the radar, so, for me, I can remember he just

0:58:04 > 0:58:07said to me, "Just go out and drop hand grenades all over the place."

0:58:07 > 0:58:09That was my pre-match instruction.

0:58:09 > 0:58:13"Just go out there, son, and drop hand grenades all over the place."

0:58:13 > 0:58:15In other words, just go wherever you want where you think you can

0:58:15 > 0:58:19cause a problem and cause a problem then go somewhere else.

0:58:19 > 0:58:21And, you know, I knew what he meant.

0:58:21 > 0:58:26And the rest is history. He scored and became an icon.

0:58:27 > 0:58:31Collective play, and playing as a team -

0:58:31 > 0:58:33would that stifle individuals?

0:58:33 > 0:58:37Now, the answer to this is that all the team of the '60s, all of them

0:58:37 > 0:58:41were capped, played for their countries, by playing collectively.

0:58:43 > 0:58:47All the 1970s team, all got capped,

0:58:47 > 0:58:49again, by playing collectively.

0:58:50 > 0:58:53So that was two teams, the '60s and the '70s team, ALL got

0:58:53 > 0:58:56international caps by playing for each other.

0:58:57 > 0:59:02You know, he created a real sense of "It's all about the team"

0:59:02 > 0:59:06but the team went way beyond the 11 players on the football pitch.

0:59:06 > 0:59:09He knew the name of everybody at the club, the tea lady,

0:59:09 > 0:59:12the lady who cleaned the dressing rooms,

0:59:12 > 0:59:16the guys as you came in, you know, he knew them all by first name.

0:59:17 > 0:59:21He was very impressive as a person but in a very simple way.

0:59:21 > 0:59:25He wasn't doing it to impress anybody, it was just the way he was.

0:59:27 > 0:59:30Every sentence, every thought, everything was about football

0:59:30 > 0:59:34and yet he had such a warm character as well and he was

0:59:34 > 0:59:39interested in people and he made an effort to approach people and

0:59:39 > 0:59:43a willingness to speak to people

0:59:43 > 0:59:46about the things that mattered to them.

0:59:48 > 0:59:50He used to mesmerize everyone, you know,

0:59:50 > 0:59:52with his speeches after the game.

0:59:52 > 0:59:56If we got beat, we might have been hammered, but he'd turn it round

0:59:56 > 0:59:58to say, "We were very, very unlucky,"

0:59:58 > 1:00:00and have everyone believing him.

1:00:00 > 1:00:04So, after winning the FA Cup in '65,

1:00:04 > 1:00:10the next time was 1971, obviously, and we got beat but he gave us

1:00:10 > 1:00:13the greatest speech I have ever heard in my life

1:00:13 > 1:00:15at St George's Hall.

1:00:17 > 1:00:19I remember seeing it - I put it on sometimes now,

1:00:19 > 1:00:21it's a great speech - and you think

1:00:21 > 1:00:25"Yeah, this guy, he's more than a football manager."

1:00:25 > 1:00:29I've drummed it into our players

1:00:29 > 1:00:36time and again that they are privileged to play for you.

1:00:38 > 1:00:43And if they didn't believe me, they believe me now.

1:00:43 > 1:00:47Merseyside is very community-based.

1:00:47 > 1:00:49You knock us, we come back harder,

1:00:49 > 1:00:52we fight, and this guy tapped into that.

1:00:52 > 1:00:54He'd had that, he'd had a difficult upbringing,

1:00:54 > 1:00:58and he realised the difficulties of what these people go through

1:00:58 > 1:01:01every week and he wanted to give them a team to be proud of.

1:01:01 > 1:01:03He did a lot more than that.

1:01:03 > 1:01:07Well, by the '60s, they'd won the FA Cup,

1:01:07 > 1:01:10they'd won the league title a couple of times

1:01:10 > 1:01:15and then in 1973. they win the league again...

1:01:18 > 1:01:21- COMMENTATOR:- It's difficult to say who admires who most there.

1:01:23 > 1:01:25..And they also win the UEFA Cup,

1:01:25 > 1:01:29thanks mainly to a wonderful display by young Kevin Keegan.

1:01:29 > 1:01:33Toshack... Keegan. 2-0!

1:01:33 > 1:01:37This was the real start of the '70s, of the new era,

1:01:37 > 1:01:41if you like, and they'd had a little bit of a barren patch, really,

1:01:41 > 1:01:44and the Cup Final where they got beat,

1:01:44 > 1:01:47but it was, he knew they were coming back.

1:01:47 > 1:01:49You know, Emlyn Hughes,

1:01:49 > 1:01:53they had people like Steve Heighway getting into the team now.

1:01:53 > 1:01:56Why do you think that Liverpool has such fanatical fans?

1:01:56 > 1:01:57Why do they follow the team so closely?

1:01:57 > 1:02:00Well, I believe it's because they identify with the manager.

1:02:00 > 1:02:03The character of the manager goes through to the players

1:02:03 > 1:02:05and it goes through to the fans as well.

1:02:05 > 1:02:08There'd been a lot of replacements in the side

1:02:08 > 1:02:11and he knew this side was just starting again.

1:02:11 > 1:02:13It was like his second wave.

1:02:13 > 1:02:16# We're gonna win the cup We're gonna win the league

1:02:16 > 1:02:21# And now you're gonna believe us And now you're gonna believe us... #

1:02:21 > 1:02:27As I said before, I was 20 years of age and I'm playing at Wembley.

1:02:27 > 1:02:30The old Wembley Stadium, 100,000 people.

1:02:30 > 1:02:34Shanks had us believing, "These are not going to get a kick.

1:02:34 > 1:02:36"Youse are going to dominate this game.

1:02:36 > 1:02:39"We are the best team here and we're going to win."

1:02:39 > 1:02:44And now the whole of Wembley is tense and ready to greet

1:02:44 > 1:02:48the two teams who've fought their way to this 1974 Cup Final.

1:02:48 > 1:02:50And now they see them.

1:02:50 > 1:02:51But we were unbelievable.

1:02:51 > 1:02:53We played the Liverpool way that day,

1:02:53 > 1:02:56we kept possession of the ball, with progression.

1:02:57 > 1:03:01And Newcastle at the moment looking just a little disorganized.

1:03:01 > 1:03:04Here's Hall, and now a chance for Keegan! And that's it!

1:03:04 > 1:03:06Kevin Keegan has scored for Liverpool.

1:03:06 > 1:03:10Being a young lad, 20 years of age, winning the FA Cup with

1:03:10 > 1:03:13Liverpool, I just thought was beyond my wildest dreams.

1:03:16 > 1:03:19Here we are, boys, that's what it's all about.

1:03:19 > 1:03:21Yeah, we got them done, yeah.

1:03:21 > 1:03:27And I got a league title medal in '72, '73 got a UEFA Cup medal.

1:03:28 > 1:03:30But that FA Cup was just...

1:03:30 > 1:03:32And then the bombshell.

1:03:33 > 1:03:38It is with great regret that Mr Shankly has intimated that he

1:03:38 > 1:03:42wishes to retire from active participation in league football.

1:03:42 > 1:03:46It was a big, big surprise to all of us when he left.

1:03:46 > 1:03:49We certainly didn't see that one coming.

1:03:49 > 1:03:53I think there comes a time when you're a little tired,

1:03:53 > 1:03:57a little fed up, if that's the word,

1:03:57 > 1:03:59that you feel as if,

1:03:59 > 1:04:02"Goodness gracious, why should I carry on?"

1:04:02 > 1:04:07I remember someone, one of the players saying to me,

1:04:07 > 1:04:08"Shanks has finished."

1:04:08 > 1:04:10I said, "What do you mean, he's finished?"

1:04:10 > 1:04:12"He's finished, he's resigned."

1:04:12 > 1:04:16I thought, "No.

1:04:16 > 1:04:19"No, that can't be right," but, you know,

1:04:19 > 1:04:22he used to do it pretty regularly at the end of the season,

1:04:22 > 1:04:23he'd go to the board

1:04:23 > 1:04:27and say, "Look, I've had enough now," and they always used to talk

1:04:27 > 1:04:31him round and I think they thought they could that year, '74, and

1:04:31 > 1:04:33he just said, "No, I'm finished,"

1:04:33 > 1:04:36and it was incredible around the place.

1:04:36 > 1:04:38It was like he'd died.

1:04:38 > 1:04:40It was like the club had half died as well.

1:04:40 > 1:04:43Because he used to go around saying, "The word retirement should be

1:04:43 > 1:04:47"stricken from the dictionary," and yet there he was and retired.

1:04:47 > 1:04:50It was a contradiction in everything he'd said.

1:04:50 > 1:04:52- How do you feel about the news today?- What news?

1:04:52 > 1:04:54That Shankly's retired.

1:04:54 > 1:04:56Oh, yeah!

1:04:56 > 1:04:58- Retired? Are you being funny?- Yeah. - Kidding you up.

1:04:58 > 1:05:03I'm not kidding you, Shankly has actually retired today,

1:05:03 > 1:05:04he wants a rest.

1:05:04 > 1:05:05He's leaving.

1:05:05 > 1:05:09They didn't believe it because we had no warning.

1:05:09 > 1:05:11You're having me on, aren't you?

1:05:11 > 1:05:14No, I'm not having you on, I've just been to Anfield...

1:05:14 > 1:05:17I was with a mate of mine from school who was actually

1:05:17 > 1:05:20about six foot odd and I was about three foot two, and you just

1:05:20 > 1:05:26see Sid's shoulder on the thing, you know, but then it just went viral.

1:05:26 > 1:05:30Everyone all over, by the time you got home from town and everything,

1:05:30 > 1:05:34everyone had seen it and that was the end of that one, you know.

1:05:34 > 1:05:37That followed you for the rest of your life, that one.

1:05:37 > 1:05:42And this young lad in this interview captured the feelings,

1:05:42 > 1:05:44I think, of everybody.

1:05:44 > 1:05:52"What? We've just won the FA Cup, Liverpool, and Shanks has retired?"

1:05:52 > 1:05:54What do you think's going to happen to the club now?

1:05:54 > 1:05:58They'll go on but it just won't be the same without them.

1:05:58 > 1:05:59How do you feel then, sad?

1:06:00 > 1:06:02Terrible.

1:06:02 > 1:06:05That became for us Liverpool fans

1:06:05 > 1:06:08an iconic moment,

1:06:08 > 1:06:10of just Tony Wilson

1:06:10 > 1:06:13explaining to the fans that he'd resigned.

1:06:15 > 1:06:18You know, you just wondered where it would all go without him

1:06:18 > 1:06:22because he was so central to everything that was going on

1:06:22 > 1:06:28and everyone adored him so much that you just wondered what was next.

1:06:30 > 1:06:34I think Shanks, in the following years,

1:06:34 > 1:06:36had realised it was probably the biggest mistake

1:06:36 > 1:06:41of his life because I don't actually think he was ready for retirement.

1:06:41 > 1:06:44I think he had a lot more to give, a lot more to offer,

1:06:44 > 1:06:46and I think it damaged him.

1:06:48 > 1:06:50All the things he'd drummed into us

1:06:50 > 1:06:55were getting passed on to the lads in the '70s team, and they were

1:06:55 > 1:07:00up for it and they were going to win trophies and they did win trophies.

1:07:00 > 1:07:04But the boss was then side-lined. He side-lined himself.

1:07:07 > 1:07:13Sometimes I feel that I did make the wrong decision but,

1:07:13 > 1:07:16having made it, I will myself not to say nothing.

1:07:16 > 1:07:19What are the occasions that you feel that, that it

1:07:19 > 1:07:20was the wrong decision?

1:07:20 > 1:07:21When are those times?

1:07:21 > 1:07:24Oh, they come at various times.

1:07:24 > 1:07:30It may be Saturday morning, there's a match on and you,

1:07:30 > 1:07:33if you're manager, you're involved, you're alive and alight

1:07:33 > 1:07:38and you're all, you know, it's something, you know, the big match.

1:07:38 > 1:07:40A feeling you can't really describe to people.

1:07:40 > 1:07:45He was a king without a kingdom once he'd retired, and the added layered

1:07:45 > 1:07:49problem was that Liverpool had said, "Look, Bill," - they went on bended

1:07:49 > 1:07:52knee to try and keep him - but they said, "If you retire, it's got to

1:07:52 > 1:07:54"be a clean break because you're such

1:07:54 > 1:07:56"a powerful figure at this club."

1:07:56 > 1:07:59Like Matt Busby was at Manchester United and sort of dwarfed

1:07:59 > 1:08:02managers that followed Matt. They said,

1:08:02 > 1:08:05"If you go, it's got to be a clean break."

1:08:06 > 1:08:10This is a very, very sensitive subject

1:08:10 > 1:08:14and a most difficult one, and it was for us players at the time.

1:08:15 > 1:08:22Shanks made this decision to walk away but, when we got down there

1:08:22 > 1:08:27the first day of pre-season, who's the first voice to greet you?

1:08:27 > 1:08:28Bill Shankly.

1:08:28 > 1:08:32And we'd all walk in, and what would our - which you would expect,

1:08:32 > 1:08:34"Morning Boss. Morning Boss."

1:08:34 > 1:08:36Everybody's walking past, "Morning Boss".

1:08:36 > 1:08:40So, of course, Bob Paisley's got to come into that scenario

1:08:40 > 1:08:47day after day, so, as much I'd loved Shanks, I think

1:08:47 > 1:08:50Bob Paisley was put in an extremely difficult position.

1:08:50 > 1:08:53Probably could have been handled a bit better.

1:08:54 > 1:08:56How, I don't know,

1:08:56 > 1:09:02but it started to create this bad feeling between the club and Shanks.

1:09:02 > 1:09:05Particularly that first year, because Bob didn't win anything,

1:09:05 > 1:09:09we didn't win anything that first year, so it was a most

1:09:09 > 1:09:14difficult time for him, but Shanks had laid those foundations.

1:09:16 > 1:09:23And it seems to me that it got to the stage where he didn't know

1:09:23 > 1:09:27whether he was welcome or not back and that was very, very sad.

1:09:27 > 1:09:29It was badly handled, is the answer to your question.

1:09:29 > 1:09:32What the answer to it was, with a character like Bill Shankly,

1:09:32 > 1:09:36with a personality like Bill Shankly, you know, the boss,

1:09:36 > 1:09:42he wouldn't have accepted charity, but they should have given him

1:09:42 > 1:09:46some position at that club forever, you know, and they didn't.

1:09:46 > 1:09:49I've never understood it and I never will.

1:09:51 > 1:09:57I remember one day Shanks turned up at Melwood and pulled me to one

1:09:57 > 1:10:01side, then he said to me, "Don't be dribbling the ball up to defenders,

1:10:01 > 1:10:04"just knock it past them because they're not going to catch you."

1:10:04 > 1:10:09Needless to say again, I tried it on the Saturday and scored a hat-trick.

1:10:09 > 1:10:14And the next time I seen him again, and I think it was the last

1:10:14 > 1:10:18time we seen him at Melwood, and I just said to him, "Thank you very

1:10:18 > 1:10:23"much for that advice, Mr Shankly, because it worked well for me."

1:10:23 > 1:10:27He says, "Aye, son, I know a little bit about football."

1:10:27 > 1:10:28And that was it.

1:10:31 > 1:10:33Maybe he thought he could still be involved in some way

1:10:33 > 1:10:36and he didn't think it was just going to be a complete break.

1:10:36 > 1:10:38I don't think he thought it through very, very well.

1:10:38 > 1:10:40I think probably there was some pressure as well

1:10:40 > 1:10:43from my grandmother but I don't think, you know, because people

1:10:43 > 1:10:48said he stopped for his family, I don't think that was 100% the case,

1:10:48 > 1:10:50I think there were other factors and it was probably

1:10:50 > 1:10:52like everything, you know,

1:10:52 > 1:10:55there's more than one thing to consider when somebody

1:10:55 > 1:11:00takes such a big decision, but I think he completely regretted it.

1:11:00 > 1:11:01I really do believe that.

1:11:01 > 1:11:04He realised, I think, that he couldn't live without it.

1:11:06 > 1:11:08What about the offers you've received, the offers of jobs?

1:11:08 > 1:11:12When I was manager we didn't do too bad but I'm wiser now

1:11:12 > 1:11:15and I don't think you can buy the experience I've got.

1:11:15 > 1:11:18And I don't think you can buy the inborn gift that I've got.

1:11:18 > 1:11:21I can help people, I'm certain of that.

1:11:22 > 1:11:25So he was going round other clubs, you know,

1:11:25 > 1:11:27and trying to, you know,

1:11:27 > 1:11:29"Can I help you sometimes?"

1:11:29 > 1:11:31and they didn't want him.

1:11:31 > 1:11:34So, I think... He regretted it, I think,

1:11:34 > 1:11:37because he could have still gone on

1:11:37 > 1:11:40but he might have thought, "I'll go out at the top."

1:11:42 > 1:11:44Which I did.

1:11:50 > 1:11:54Well, I'd been in the game a long time as a player and a manager.

1:11:54 > 1:11:57As a manager, of course, it was a hard task.

1:11:57 > 1:12:00I started at the bottom but I came to Liverpool where

1:12:00 > 1:12:04the potential was tremendous, that was the only reason

1:12:04 > 1:12:07because it was similar to Glasgow and the Scottish people.

1:12:07 > 1:12:11But I got to a point when I'd fought the battles.

1:12:11 > 1:12:13You see, in football, you fight on the field to win

1:12:13 > 1:12:17but you've got battles to fight inside, political battles, to come

1:12:17 > 1:12:23here and try and prove to the directors, try and make them think

1:12:23 > 1:12:28along the same lines as me of the potential there was for Liverpool.

1:12:28 > 1:12:31Because, candidly, it was a kind of shambles of a place.

1:12:31 > 1:12:36I'd fought the battles

1:12:36 > 1:12:40inside and outside, and was only interested in

1:12:40 > 1:12:45one thing, success for the club and that meant success for the people.

1:12:45 > 1:12:48I was only in the game for the love of the game, the results

1:12:48 > 1:12:51for the club, make the people happy, because, at the end of the day

1:12:51 > 1:12:53as I said, you asked me a question, "Why did you love Liverpool?"

1:12:53 > 1:12:56I loved Liverpool because I was manager of Liverpool, I was

1:12:56 > 1:13:00the manager, and that was the satisfaction I got.

1:13:00 > 1:13:03Not that I was gloating about it, but I had won.

1:13:03 > 1:13:06It couldn't have happened to a better man.

1:13:10 > 1:13:13But, you know, unlike Leeds when Don Revie left, they promoted

1:13:13 > 1:13:18from within and, of course, Bob was very close to Bill Shankly.

1:13:18 > 1:13:21Not the same character, but with the same beliefs

1:13:21 > 1:13:23and the same things and that was very clever

1:13:23 > 1:13:27because Leeds brought in Clough, and he tried to change everything

1:13:27 > 1:13:31and there was nothing much wrong at Leeds, Leeds were a great side.

1:13:31 > 1:13:36Whereas Bob knew, being inside, that we were still a great side so he

1:13:36 > 1:13:40just let the ship sail on and took it to new heights, if we're honest.

1:13:55 > 1:13:59I was fortunate enough to be captain of the club at the time.

1:13:59 > 1:14:01I'm walking up them steps

1:14:01 > 1:14:07to pick the European Cup up, and I'm thinking to myself, "We've won it

1:14:07 > 1:14:12"but Shanks really won it," because Shanks made Liverpool a club.

1:14:14 > 1:14:18It must have been really difficult, I think, almost like he'd been

1:14:18 > 1:14:24maybe shoved aside, but I think everything would have balanced

1:14:24 > 1:14:28out maybe afterwards because of the love that people showed him,

1:14:28 > 1:14:32because of the respect that the supporters showed him always.

1:14:34 > 1:14:37And, even Everton, he went to Everton to watch matches

1:14:37 > 1:14:41and he tried to keep it in his life as much as possible

1:14:41 > 1:14:43because that was his life.

1:14:49 > 1:14:53He was aware, I think he was well aware, of his place in history

1:14:53 > 1:14:56and he's well aware of the love that the fans have for him.

1:14:58 > 1:14:59The fans would never have treated him

1:14:59 > 1:15:02the way that maybe the directors treated him

1:15:02 > 1:15:07but, you know, Shankly had the connection with the fans and

1:15:07 > 1:15:08the players,

1:15:08 > 1:15:11didn't have that connection with the directors or the owners.

1:15:11 > 1:15:15I feel that the family owe the Liverpool supporters a lot

1:15:15 > 1:15:18because I think he was very unhappy when he left Liverpool

1:15:18 > 1:15:21and they made things better for him.

1:15:21 > 1:15:25There's a picture of him where it's the Kop, it's

1:15:25 > 1:15:31a very atmospheric kind of photo but for him it was like he standing

1:15:31 > 1:15:34with the people he would have chosen to stand with

1:15:34 > 1:15:36all the time, you know.

1:15:36 > 1:15:39Well, I went in the Kop because I promised I would go in

1:15:39 > 1:15:42and I went in and I enjoyed it.

1:15:42 > 1:15:46I didn't go in for bravado or anything like that.

1:15:47 > 1:15:52No, I went in amongst them because I played for them and I was their man.

1:15:53 > 1:15:55Not only the Kop, Anfield Road and the Paddock

1:15:55 > 1:15:57and the Kemlyn Road Stand and all the stands.

1:15:57 > 1:15:59And all of Anfield.

1:15:59 > 1:16:00So I went in the Kop

1:16:00 > 1:16:03because I had promised a man I would go into the Kop.

1:16:03 > 1:16:04He was a Kopite.

1:16:07 > 1:16:10We stand behind the goal, and someone was shouting,

1:16:10 > 1:16:13"Shankly's over there," and we're going, "No, no chance."

1:16:13 > 1:16:16But he was, he was over there.

1:16:16 > 1:16:19He absolutely got hounded to death, people were jumping all over him.

1:16:19 > 1:16:23He couldn't have enjoyed the match because people were just

1:16:23 > 1:16:25dancing all around him and he

1:16:25 > 1:16:27mustn't have been able to see anything.

1:16:27 > 1:16:30But I think he was making a statement,

1:16:30 > 1:16:35he was making a statement saying, "I'm one of you.

1:16:35 > 1:16:36"And I always will be one of you.

1:16:36 > 1:16:38"Even though I've retired

1:16:38 > 1:16:41"and I'm no longer employed by Liverpool, I'm one of you."

1:16:42 > 1:16:47# He was born in bonnie Scotland

1:16:47 > 1:16:52# And he played the football game

1:16:52 > 1:16:56# He came to Liverpool in '59

1:16:56 > 1:17:00# To help us win again

1:17:01 > 1:17:05# And with his mighty red army

1:17:05 > 1:17:09# He marched to victory

1:17:09 > 1:17:14# He was a legend in his time

1:17:14 > 1:17:18# Our hero Bill Shankly

1:17:18 > 1:17:23# So, all say thanks to the Shanks

1:17:23 > 1:17:27# He'll never walk alone

1:17:27 > 1:17:31# They'll sing a song for all the world

1:17:31 > 1:17:35# In this his Liverpool home. #

1:17:43 > 1:17:48Well, the day he died was so poignant and tragic and sad,

1:17:48 > 1:17:52the flag on the Town Hall flew at half mast.

1:17:52 > 1:17:54It really was, the whole city mourned,

1:17:54 > 1:17:58red and blue disappeared, it was Merseyside united

1:17:58 > 1:18:01and not just Merseyside, I think the whole country.

1:18:01 > 1:18:04I think it was a symbol of what Bill had achieved that he

1:18:04 > 1:18:09transcended football so, first, when Bill Shankly quit people

1:18:09 > 1:18:13couldn't believe it, but when he died, it was like a national loss.

1:18:14 > 1:18:18It felt like a member of your family had passed away.

1:18:18 > 1:18:21He died, I don't know, presumably early in the week

1:18:21 > 1:18:26and we played Swansea at home on the Saturday and

1:18:26 > 1:18:30we kicked off about 11.00, 11.30 in the morning, and Swansea in those

1:18:30 > 1:18:35days were managed by John Toshack, who obviously had played for Shanks,

1:18:35 > 1:18:37and everything like that. And it was...

1:18:37 > 1:18:40Before the game, we all went out and we had the minute's silence,

1:18:40 > 1:18:45which was almost unheard of, and it was unbelievably respectful,

1:18:45 > 1:18:46it was fantastic.

1:18:46 > 1:18:49And it was just the fact that, you know, I'd only met him

1:18:49 > 1:18:52a couple of times but I got the fact that, "Oh, my goodness me,

1:18:52 > 1:18:55"this fella was Mr Liverpool."

1:18:56 > 1:19:02I was away in Norway and we came home for the funeral,

1:19:02 > 1:19:07and I always remember getting in my car, driving into town

1:19:07 > 1:19:14and putting the radio on and there was an interview with Bill Shankly.

1:19:14 > 1:19:18And, as soon as I put it on, my name was mentioned.

1:19:19 > 1:19:22You know, he was talking about me

1:19:22 > 1:19:25and he was saying I was an honest boy and all that.

1:19:28 > 1:19:31A moment like that, you wouldn't realise, you know,

1:19:31 > 1:19:33it was very emotional.

1:19:35 > 1:19:38But he was the best thing that ever happened to Liverpool.

1:19:40 > 1:19:45Well, I got asked... I won this award and it was in London and,

1:19:45 > 1:19:47to my amazement, I didn't know Bill Shankly was coming,

1:19:47 > 1:19:49he came out and presented me with it.

1:19:49 > 1:19:53And I just gave it him back and said, "Thank you, it's yours,

1:19:53 > 1:19:56"because I wouldn't have had it without you."

1:19:56 > 1:19:57And he was...

1:19:57 > 1:20:03But he took it, and when we went to his funeral,

1:20:03 > 1:20:08we were in the front room and the first thing

1:20:08 > 1:20:11when we came to his house, Nessie came up to me and said

1:20:11 > 1:20:15"This is yours, he said I've got to give it you back the day he died."

1:20:15 > 1:20:17It just creased me, you know.

1:20:22 > 1:20:25Pretty tough when she gave it me back.

1:20:27 > 1:20:30I still remember absolutely every moment of it, really,

1:20:30 > 1:20:34from the time we left the house it was like a sea of people.

1:20:34 > 1:20:36Red scarves and blue scarves, as well, Everton supporters.

1:20:36 > 1:20:39I mean, when I saw the Everton supporters who'd come out to

1:20:39 > 1:20:43pay their last respects, that is when I just fell apart, really,

1:20:43 > 1:20:46because it was nothing to do with football, it was people,

1:20:46 > 1:20:48you know, coming to pay their last respects.

1:20:51 > 1:20:55Well, I just felt I had to. Oh, I'm sorry I can't...

1:20:56 > 1:20:58Yeah, he was so loved.

1:20:58 > 1:20:59It was wonderful,

1:20:59 > 1:21:05it was one of those things that you were glad you could go to it.

1:21:08 > 1:21:11I was a youth worker at the time and I was based

1:21:11 > 1:21:13just by the Jolly Miller,

1:21:13 > 1:21:18and the church wasn't very far away but I couldn't bring myself to go.

1:21:19 > 1:21:22Don't know whether it was because I thought I'd be too upset there,

1:21:22 > 1:21:26I don't know, but I just couldn't bring myself to go to the funeral.

1:21:26 > 1:21:30You know, I wanted to... For me, as a religious thing,

1:21:30 > 1:21:35I wanted him to live forever, to be resurrected.

1:21:37 > 1:21:42They got a huge turnout. Huge, huge, huge.

1:21:42 > 1:21:44Just everybody wanted to be there, you know.

1:21:46 > 1:21:47We didn't want to be there.

1:21:49 > 1:21:54It was a sad, sad day, football's great loss

1:21:54 > 1:21:58when a man like Bill Shankly leaves the pitch.

1:21:58 > 1:21:59BAGPIPES PLAY AMAZING GRACE

1:22:04 > 1:22:07Bill Shankly didnae live for himself,

1:22:07 > 1:22:14Bill Shankly lived for the team, the extended family and the city.

1:22:23 > 1:22:24TO THE TUNE OF AMAZING GRACE:

1:22:24 > 1:22:27# Shankly, Shankly, Shankly

1:22:27 > 1:22:34# Shankly, Shankly, Shankly

1:22:34 > 1:22:42# Shankly, Shankly, Shankly, Shankly

1:22:42 > 1:22:49# Shankly, Shankly, Shankly. #

1:22:51 > 1:22:58I think something gets lost when we cease to think that

1:22:58 > 1:23:05the attitudes that Bill Shankly had and the enthusiasm he had,

1:23:05 > 1:23:13the humanity that he brought to his involvement with football -

1:23:13 > 1:23:17if that goes, if we cease to believe in that, I think something is lost.

1:23:19 > 1:23:23It's like people say now, you know, you love football

1:23:23 > 1:23:26but you hate the industry, and I kind of do.

1:23:27 > 1:23:30It's something that you feel that's been taken away from people

1:23:30 > 1:23:32and been sold back to them at an exorbitant price

1:23:32 > 1:23:35and the era that he comes out of, the era that he was

1:23:35 > 1:23:42a successful manager in, it was a more optimistic time for Britain.

1:23:42 > 1:23:44We look back on that era now as a sort of almost like a lost

1:23:44 > 1:23:49paradise in a way, you know, and I think anybody that had their

1:23:49 > 1:23:54personal ascendancy in that time is very valued, is very valued in

1:23:54 > 1:23:56the working class community as something

1:23:56 > 1:23:57that we've lost in some way.

1:23:59 > 1:24:03If I had a business and I wanted a workforce,

1:24:03 > 1:24:06I would pick my workforce from Merseyside.

1:24:06 > 1:24:08It's a kind of distressed area, there's a lot of unemployment

1:24:08 > 1:24:13and people have a hard time but they've got a big spirit.

1:24:13 > 1:24:16All they need is handling like human beings,

1:24:16 > 1:24:19not bullied and pushed around, I'll tell you.

1:24:19 > 1:24:22So I'll take my workforce from Merseyside, and anybody

1:24:22 > 1:24:26can take theirs from anywhere else they like and I'll win.

1:24:27 > 1:24:29Fans in general across the country now,

1:24:29 > 1:24:32they get treated like second class citizens but we get charged

1:24:32 > 1:24:36first class prices, basically, and he would be mortified, I know

1:24:36 > 1:24:39he would, and it's a shame that he's not around because he'd be the

1:24:39 > 1:24:42voice that would be fighting on our behalf, there's no danger of that.

1:24:44 > 1:24:47He wouldn't like it now, it's not his idea of football.

1:24:47 > 1:24:51I think he'd be looking down and thinking, "Oh, it's changed

1:24:51 > 1:24:53"and I'm not sure it's for the better here."

1:24:53 > 1:24:56You know, he wouldn't like the players putting on earphones

1:24:56 > 1:24:59and walking off a bus without acknowledging the fans

1:24:59 > 1:25:02and signing a few autographs. He'd hate that.

1:25:02 > 1:25:05He wouldn't like the corporate, he didn't see football as

1:25:05 > 1:25:12somewhere where you go and sit in a privileged seat and you have a meal.

1:25:12 > 1:25:15He probably wouldn't even like the advertising on the front,

1:25:15 > 1:25:17I think he just liked the badge.

1:25:19 > 1:25:23So, it's changed a lot, but that was the best era,

1:25:23 > 1:25:24there's no doubt about it.

1:25:24 > 1:25:26The Shankly days at Liverpool,

1:25:26 > 1:25:30despite Bob Paisley doing a lot better and other times

1:25:30 > 1:25:32and maybe Klopp even now might take the club and do all the same

1:25:32 > 1:25:34things again...

1:25:34 > 1:25:37You know, the first time it happens

1:25:37 > 1:25:39is always the best.

1:25:40 > 1:25:43I was a lucky, lucky boy because in the '70s

1:25:43 > 1:25:47when we were winning everything, you know, I was about 25,

1:25:47 > 1:25:51it couldn't have happened at a better time of my life.

1:25:51 > 1:25:52I was really lucky.

1:25:53 > 1:25:58The timing was perfect, going right through to see all those games.

1:25:58 > 1:26:02I was a lucky boy and all those memories I'll treasure till

1:26:02 > 1:26:04the day I die.

1:26:04 > 1:26:05Really, really good.

1:26:09 > 1:26:14You see, this is the story, that Liverpool's not only a club,

1:26:14 > 1:26:19it's an institution where my aim was to bring the people

1:26:19 > 1:26:22close to the team, to the club.

1:26:22 > 1:26:27So much so that men died, and the women, their wives,

1:26:27 > 1:26:31brought their ashes to scatter them in the Anfield ground

1:26:31 > 1:26:36and they said a little prayer, then they went away.

1:26:36 > 1:26:38I mean, football's a matter of life and death.

1:26:38 > 1:26:41I said, "Look, it's more important than that,"

1:26:41 > 1:26:43and it's more important to them than that, you see.

1:26:43 > 1:26:47And that's why there was no hypocrisy, it was sheer honesty.

1:26:48 > 1:26:53These people support Liverpool, and I accepted them then.

1:26:53 > 1:26:56Got them in, I said, "Come in, in you come."

1:26:56 > 1:26:59Liverpool, Liverpool, Liverpool...

1:26:59 > 1:27:02The people of Liverpool, Liverpool supporters,

1:27:02 > 1:27:05looked up to Shankly, like, top man, wasn't he?

1:27:05 > 1:27:10He was just the person that they could trust. With anything.

1:27:12 > 1:27:16Yeah. Very difficult thing, he was just such a great man.

1:27:18 > 1:27:22Oh, yeah, people still talk about him.

1:27:23 > 1:27:27Somebody will say, you know, "What about that Bill Shankly?"

1:27:27 > 1:27:30They want to know a bit about him.

1:27:30 > 1:27:31What was he like?

1:27:33 > 1:27:36Well, I think in life all good things, all incredible things,

1:27:36 > 1:27:43start from people and beliefs and values, and I think Bill Shankly

1:27:43 > 1:27:46is the iconic figure in terms of Liverpool Football Club.

1:27:46 > 1:27:51You know, if he'd have made mistakes and put the wrong ideas

1:27:51 > 1:27:53and the wrong philosophies in place, who knows,

1:27:53 > 1:27:55we might not be been sitting here doing

1:27:55 > 1:27:59an interview at one of the biggest football clubs in the world.

1:27:59 > 1:28:02I said before that time moves on, things change, but I think a figure

1:28:02 > 1:28:06like that and the values he had, I think that's still the same today.

1:28:06 > 1:28:12And he's a man, I think, who we'd all look for and think...

1:28:12 > 1:28:16you'd like your dad, yourself, your grandad to have that look on life.

1:28:16 > 1:28:19Always trying to help people.

1:28:19 > 1:28:21I think that's what Bill Shankly did, it wasn't

1:28:21 > 1:28:23just about football, it was helping his fellow man.

1:28:24 > 1:28:27I suppose my abiding

1:28:27 > 1:28:33memory of Bill is...

1:28:33 > 1:28:35just the delight I felt when I

1:28:35 > 1:28:40saw him coming towards me, and

1:28:40 > 1:28:43the certainty that

1:28:43 > 1:28:48there would be a lot of laughing along the way, and a lot of warmth.

1:28:53 > 1:28:56He was a great Ayrshireman, and we've had a few great

1:28:56 > 1:29:01Ayrshiremen, but Bill would be up there with the higher ranks.

1:29:05 > 1:29:07But he was a very unique man.

1:29:07 > 1:29:10They always said there'll never be another,

1:29:10 > 1:29:14and the statue we've got here, it's so apt.

1:29:15 > 1:29:20The inscription on it says, "He made the people happy."

1:29:22 > 1:29:26You couldn't have thought up a better line for him,

1:29:26 > 1:29:28could you? "He made the people happy."

1:29:28 > 1:29:31Everybody who'd come here, he made the people happy.

1:29:31 > 1:29:36And if you can do that, as a manager,

1:29:36 > 1:29:39you deserve to have the job, don't you?

1:29:39 > 1:29:44# Walk on through the wind

1:29:46 > 1:29:51# Walk on through the rain

1:29:51 > 1:29:58# Though your dreams be tossed

1:29:58 > 1:30:04# And blown

1:30:05 > 1:30:11# Walk on, walk on

1:30:11 > 1:30:16# With hope in your heart

1:30:17 > 1:30:29# And you'll never walk alone

1:30:29 > 1:30:39# You'll never walk alone

1:30:43 > 1:30:49# Walk on, walk on

1:30:49 > 1:30:56# With hope in your heart

1:30:56 > 1:31:06# And you'll never walk alone

1:31:07 > 1:31:19# You'll never walk alone. #