0:00:02 > 0:00:05This programme contains very strong language.
0:00:05 > 0:00:08MUSIC AND HUBBUB OF VOICES
0:00:09 > 0:00:12MEN SHOUT
0:00:19 > 0:00:22- Drive!- What? - Just drive!
0:00:22 > 0:00:26You crazy twat! You're taking the piss, you!
0:00:26 > 0:00:29You stupid prick, you've dropped us all in the shit now,
0:00:29 > 0:00:32- you stupid bastard! - What's happened?!
0:00:32 > 0:00:34- You stupid braindead bastard... - He was asking for it.
0:00:34 > 0:00:35- What's happened?- Nothing.
0:00:35 > 0:00:40- You've dropped us all in the shit now, you crazy twat...- He was asking for it. He was asking for it!
0:00:40 > 0:00:44- I warned you about this prick, didn't I?!- What's happened?! - Nothing has happened!
0:00:44 > 0:00:46Nothing's happened? Nothing's happened?
0:00:46 > 0:00:49- He's only gone and stabbed someone, hasn't he? Crazy twat.- Just shut it.
0:00:49 > 0:00:52- What?!- Listen, shut it. - He's stabbed someone, the mad twat!
0:00:52 > 0:00:54I'll stab you in a minute, yeah?
0:00:55 > 0:00:59- Colin, just leave it out, yeah? - You'll stab me?!
0:00:59 > 0:01:01Hey! Hey, get off him!
0:01:01 > 0:01:03Pull over! Pull over now!
0:01:03 > 0:01:06SHOUTING CONTINUES
0:01:06 > 0:01:08Get out! Get out the car now! You stay there.
0:01:08 > 0:01:10Come on then!
0:01:10 > 0:01:11What? What?
0:01:11 > 0:01:13He was looking at me, right?!
0:01:13 > 0:01:15- Looking at me like I'm shit! - Where is it?- What?!
0:01:15 > 0:01:17- The knife. Where is it? - It's here.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21- Put it down there.- It's our Paul's. - Put it down there!
0:01:28 > 0:01:31MOBILE KEYS BEEP
0:01:36 > 0:01:38Did he kill him?
0:01:40 > 0:01:42- Did you kill him?! - I don't know.
0:01:43 > 0:01:44- 'Yeah?'- It's Tony.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46You bastard!
0:01:46 > 0:01:49You got off and left me to it, you prick. McCabe as well.
0:01:49 > 0:01:51- 'How is he?'- I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing, do I?
0:01:51 > 0:01:54He could be bleeding to death for all I know, you prick.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57- Will he live?- 'I very much doubt it, but how would I know?'
0:01:57 > 0:01:59Why did you bring that mad bastard, eh?
0:02:00 > 0:02:02The paramedics are here.
0:02:06 > 0:02:07He's bad.
0:02:07 > 0:02:09- How bad?- Dunno.
0:02:11 > 0:02:14But he'll live, though, yeah?
0:02:14 > 0:02:15- Eh?- Just drive.
0:02:23 > 0:02:25POLICE RADIO CRACKLES
0:02:29 > 0:02:31SIREN SOUNDS
0:02:33 > 0:02:35DOORBELL
0:02:38 > 0:02:40DOORBELL
0:02:55 > 0:02:56- Mrs Ward?- Yeah.
0:02:56 > 0:02:58Mother of Thomas Ward?
0:02:58 > 0:02:59Yeah.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02We've been told to bring you down to the Royal, Mrs Ward.
0:03:02 > 0:03:03Thomas has had a bit of an accident.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05What sort of accident?
0:03:05 > 0:03:07I don't know, love. We've just been told to come and get you.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10I'm dyeing my hair.
0:03:10 > 0:03:11Sorry.
0:03:14 > 0:03:15Just a sec.
0:03:17 > 0:03:20- SHE DIALS - My daughter.
0:03:20 > 0:03:23She spent most of the day getting ready, she's won't be best pleased.
0:03:23 > 0:03:28- 'Hello?'- You'll have to come back, Julie, and look after the kids.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30- 'Why?'- Thomas is in hospital.
0:03:34 > 0:03:37You lived there long?
0:03:37 > 0:03:38Three years.
0:03:39 > 0:03:42We used to live by the park but then we split up,
0:03:42 > 0:03:45me and their dad, so we had to find somewhere cheaper.
0:03:45 > 0:03:47Do you still see him?
0:03:47 > 0:03:49Only when I have to.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13Hello. I'm Margaret Ward.
0:04:13 > 0:04:14My son Thomas is here.
0:04:14 > 0:04:17- Surname, please. - He's had an accident apparently.
0:04:19 > 0:04:20Thomas Ward.
0:04:21 > 0:04:23If you just hang on, I'll make a call.
0:04:25 > 0:04:27Jennifer? Hi, it's reception.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29Mrs Ward is here.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35- What is it, please? - Mrs Ward?
0:04:35 > 0:04:37- I'm looking for my son. - Mrs Ward?- Thomas Ward.
0:04:37 > 0:04:41- I'm Jennifer Fielding, Mrs Ward. Could you come with me, please?- Why?
0:04:41 > 0:04:43- Come with me, please, Mrs Ward. Please.- Where?
0:04:43 > 0:04:44There's a room just through here.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49Come in, please, Mrs Ward.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52Please.
0:05:05 > 0:05:07Thomas didn't make it, I'm afraid.
0:05:09 > 0:05:10Make what?
0:05:11 > 0:05:14He was stabbed earlier this evening
0:05:14 > 0:05:16and died just an hour or so ago.
0:05:16 > 0:05:17I'm really sorry.
0:05:19 > 0:05:21I think you've got the wrong boy.
0:05:22 > 0:05:26I'm Thomas Ward's mother, and he had a bit of an accident, that's all.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28He was stabbed at the pizza place on Holt Road,
0:05:28 > 0:05:30Mrs Ward, and died here a short time later.
0:05:53 > 0:05:55CAR DOOR SHUTS
0:06:13 > 0:06:14DOOR CLOSES
0:06:17 > 0:06:19Where you been?
0:06:19 > 0:06:20- Out.- Where?
0:06:20 > 0:06:21Just out.
0:06:21 > 0:06:23- Who with?- No-one.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26- What, you went out on your own? - Yeah.
0:06:26 > 0:06:27- You're lying.- I'm not!
0:06:27 > 0:06:30- Will you talk to this one? - I'm going to the toilet.
0:06:30 > 0:06:31Hey. Hey!
0:06:37 > 0:06:39PHONE RINGS
0:06:40 > 0:06:41Hello?
0:06:41 > 0:06:45'This is Jennifer Fielding, Mr Ward. I'm the social worker at the Royal
0:06:45 > 0:06:49'and I have some news about your son, Thomas.'
0:06:49 > 0:06:52What is it?
0:06:52 > 0:06:54'I have your wife...'
0:06:54 > 0:06:57..ex-wife here. I'll pass you over.
0:07:03 > 0:07:05Hi.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15He's dead.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20LINE GOES DEAD
0:07:21 > 0:07:26BABY SPLUTTERS AND CRIES
0:07:29 > 0:07:32SPORTS STATION ON RADIO
0:07:40 > 0:07:43What you listening to that shite for?
0:07:45 > 0:07:47Fatal stabbing at the pizza place.
0:07:51 > 0:07:52Who told you that?
0:07:52 > 0:07:54On the telly.
0:07:55 > 0:07:56Is he dead?
0:07:57 > 0:07:59"Fatal", knobhead. Of course he's dead.
0:08:31 > 0:08:33He's in there.
0:08:35 > 0:08:37They want someone to identify him.
0:08:38 > 0:08:40- What, you haven't done it?- No.
0:08:42 > 0:08:43Shall I?
0:08:53 > 0:08:54Just tell me it's not him.
0:10:09 > 0:10:11Shall I come in with you?
0:10:11 > 0:10:12No.
0:10:17 > 0:10:20MRS WARD SOBS
0:10:45 > 0:10:47DOG BARKS
0:10:50 > 0:10:53- It's half eight.- Right.
0:10:53 > 0:10:54Why are you still here?
0:10:54 > 0:10:55Just waiting for someone.
0:10:55 > 0:10:57Who?
0:10:57 > 0:11:00- Kieran Gillespie.- What are you waiting for that prick for?
0:11:00 > 0:11:01I just need to speak to him.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03About what?
0:11:03 > 0:11:05- About what?- I'll see you later.
0:11:09 > 0:11:11Kieran. Kieran.
0:11:11 > 0:11:12He's dead.
0:11:12 > 0:11:13Yeah, I know.
0:11:13 > 0:11:15What are you going to do?
0:11:17 > 0:11:19- You'll have to go to the police. - What?!
0:11:19 > 0:11:21You'll have to go to the police.
0:11:21 > 0:11:23I'm not going to the police, you prick.
0:11:23 > 0:11:27It's only going to be worse if they have to come and get you, innit?
0:11:28 > 0:11:31Why are they going to come and get me, eh?
0:11:31 > 0:11:34What are you saying? You going to grass me up?
0:11:34 > 0:11:37- Is that what you're saying, you're going to grass on me? - No, I'm not saying that.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40- How are they going to know it's me, then?- They won't.
0:11:40 > 0:11:41But they'll know it's me.
0:11:41 > 0:11:42How?
0:11:42 > 0:11:45The car. It was our Patrick's car.
0:11:45 > 0:11:47How are they going to know that?
0:11:47 > 0:11:50- Cameras. CCTV. - There weren't any.- There were.
0:11:52 > 0:11:55All right, yeah, so they'll ask you a few questions.
0:11:55 > 0:11:59But you say nothing, don't you? Eh? You don't grass.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02If you grass...then you're dead.
0:12:02 > 0:12:06And more than that, lad, more than that, if you grass, if you nonce on anyone, yeah,
0:12:06 > 0:12:11then your mum's dead and your dad's dead and your sister's dead
0:12:11 > 0:12:12and your house is torched.
0:12:12 > 0:12:14Yeah?
0:12:14 > 0:12:18Right? Comprendo? Do you understand what I'm saying to you, yeah?
0:12:18 > 0:12:20- Yeah.- Yeah?!- Yeah, yeah.
0:12:20 > 0:12:21Good.
0:12:25 > 0:12:26Johnjo.
0:12:28 > 0:12:29What's going on?
0:12:32 > 0:12:34What's going on, Johnjo?
0:12:35 > 0:12:37Johnjo!
0:12:45 > 0:12:46MOBILE RINGS
0:12:55 > 0:12:57He's dead.
0:12:57 > 0:13:00Major error, mate. Don't use the phone.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04You don't contact me, Colin or Kieran by phone. Right?
0:13:04 > 0:13:05'Right.'
0:13:07 > 0:13:09I'll come and see you in work.
0:13:09 > 0:13:11When?
0:13:11 > 0:13:12'Soon.'
0:13:23 > 0:13:26W-A-R-D. Ward.
0:13:28 > 0:13:30Hang on a sec.
0:13:34 > 0:13:38486...892.
0:13:38 > 0:13:40DOORBELL
0:13:46 > 0:13:48- All right?- Yes, boss.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50- I won't be in today.- 'Are you ill?'
0:13:50 > 0:13:52No. I'm not ill, no.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55'So...what's the problem?'
0:13:55 > 0:13:57My son's been murdered.
0:13:57 > 0:14:00- 'What?' - I said, my son's been murdered.
0:14:04 > 0:14:06Are you still there?
0:14:06 > 0:14:08'Yeah, OK... Er, I'll let them know.'
0:14:08 > 0:14:11Thanks. I'd really appreciate that.
0:14:11 > 0:14:12'Yeah, OK, sure.'
0:14:12 > 0:14:16- Thanks.- 'I'm really sor...' - Thanks. Bye.
0:14:25 > 0:14:28Er, Margaret Ward, Detective Inspector Hastings.
0:14:32 > 0:14:34I'm very sorry, Mrs Ward.
0:14:36 > 0:14:39- Thanks.- We'll do all we can to get these people.
0:14:40 > 0:14:42People?
0:14:42 > 0:14:43Yes.
0:14:43 > 0:14:44More than one, then?
0:14:45 > 0:14:46We think so.
0:14:55 > 0:14:56You've got a daughter.
0:14:58 > 0:14:59Nicola.
0:15:00 > 0:15:02Yes.
0:15:03 > 0:15:04We were at school together.
0:15:04 > 0:15:06I stayed in your house loads of times.
0:15:09 > 0:15:10Margaret...Devaney.
0:15:11 > 0:15:13Then, yeah.
0:15:13 > 0:15:16Otherwise known as Roger the Lodger.
0:15:16 > 0:15:17Yeah!
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- How is she?- Great.- Married?
0:15:19 > 0:15:22Yeah. Three kids. Boy of 18 and two...
0:15:26 > 0:15:28It's OK.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32Two daughters. 13 and 14.
0:15:33 > 0:15:34Lovely.
0:15:41 > 0:15:42We'll get them, Margaret.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08I'm sorry about this, Johnjo. I'm really sorry, mate.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10- What are we going to do? - I don't know.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13You were going there to get him, weren't you?
0:16:13 > 0:16:15Yeah. Not the lad who died. But, yeah, someone, yeah.
0:16:15 > 0:16:17Nothing to do with pizzas at all.
0:16:17 > 0:16:21- No.- And the others, they knew, didn't they?
0:16:21 > 0:16:22Yeah.
0:16:22 > 0:16:24Everyone knew bar me, yeah?
0:16:24 > 0:16:25Yeah.
0:16:25 > 0:16:28I'm telling you the pizza I want but it's got nothing to do with pizzas
0:16:28 > 0:16:32- because you're going there to sort some little bastard out! - Sh, sh, sh...
0:16:32 > 0:16:34I'm made up, aren't I? I'm made up when I get the call.
0:16:34 > 0:16:37"Johnjo, come for a pizza with the big lads. Come for a pizza..."
0:16:37 > 0:16:40- Shush, mate.- "Why don't you drive us for a pizza, Johnjo?"
0:16:40 > 0:16:42But all you're interested in is the car. The fucking car!
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- There's people looking over... - That makes me feel like shit, mate,
0:16:45 > 0:16:50- and so it should, cos...- Please, just shut it. Just fucking SHUT IT! - Cos that's how you've treated me!
0:16:50 > 0:16:53- Like shit! That's how you've treated me!- Listen, we're cousins, right?
0:16:53 > 0:16:56If I drop my cousin in shit, I'll get him out of it.
0:16:56 > 0:16:57Right?
0:16:57 > 0:16:59Yeah, we lied to you, but you should be grateful,
0:16:59 > 0:17:02because you can put your hand on your heart and say, "I knew nothing.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05"I knew absolutely nothing." And we'll back you up on that.
0:17:05 > 0:17:08We'll make sure everyone knows you're innocent.
0:17:08 > 0:17:11I'm innocent, Colin's innocent, but you're even more innocent. Right?
0:17:11 > 0:17:14- So, what...so you'll tell them? - If we have to, yeah.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16- If you have to?!- Nobody's been picked up yet, have they?
0:17:16 > 0:17:19As soon as they are, if they are, we tell Kieran he's got to
0:17:19 > 0:17:22cough for it, he's got to tell the bizzies it was him.
0:17:22 > 0:17:26Nobody else had a knife, nobody else used a knife, least of all you. Right?
0:17:27 > 0:17:31You've got nothing to worry about, Johnjo. Eh?
0:17:37 > 0:17:39Can we get them enhanced?
0:17:39 > 0:17:40Yeah, we're trying.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43This is the best we've got of the other three.
0:17:43 > 0:17:45Uh. Could be anyone.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47PHONE RINGS
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- Hello?- DI Hastings here. Is that you, Margaret?
0:17:55 > 0:17:58- Yeah.- Just letting you know we're arresting someone soon
0:17:58 > 0:18:01and it's significant.
0:18:01 > 0:18:02- Who?- Name again?
0:18:02 > 0:18:03O'Shea.
0:18:03 > 0:18:05'O'Shea.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08'Mean anything?'
0:18:10 > 0:18:11No.
0:18:11 > 0:18:12- So it's nothing to do with money?- No.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15And nothing to do with being on telly?
0:18:15 > 0:18:18It's nothing to do with that. It's just some girls are into footie.
0:18:18 > 0:18:19- Bollocks.- Language.
0:18:19 > 0:18:20- So it's footie, yeah?- Yeah.
0:18:20 > 0:18:25- So they play footie, so girls who are into footie are gonna be attracted to 'em?- Yeah.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- That's your argument, yeah? - Yeah.
0:18:27 > 0:18:28- I play footie.- So?
0:18:28 > 0:18:31So how comes they're not throwing themselves all over me?
0:18:31 > 0:18:33- Have you looked in the mirror lately?- Has Wayne Rooney?
0:18:33 > 0:18:37I'm going to get a bird like his, am I, cos she's into football and I play for the Dog and Duck?
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- They were childhood sweethearts. - Oh, bollocks! - I won't tell you again!
0:18:40 > 0:18:43It's about being famous and having a load of dosh. Football gives you both.
0:18:43 > 0:18:45It's nothing to do with football itself.
0:18:45 > 0:18:47That's just a means to an end.
0:18:47 > 0:18:48It could be anything like that.
0:18:48 > 0:18:52Singing, dancing, boxing, anything that brings a bit of fame and fortune.
0:18:55 > 0:18:59- And of course they're gonna say they're into it... - KNOCK AT DOOR
0:18:59 > 0:19:02No bird's going to say, "I can't stand football but I love the dosh."
0:19:07 > 0:19:09Patrick O'Shea?
0:19:11 > 0:19:13- Johnjo O'Shea.- Is Patrick in?
0:19:13 > 0:19:14Who is it, Johnjo?
0:19:14 > 0:19:16- Yeah.- We'll come in then, OK?
0:19:18 > 0:19:19Who is it?
0:19:21 > 0:19:22Patrick O'Shea?
0:19:22 > 0:19:26- Yeah?- We're arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Thomas Ward.- What?
0:19:26 > 0:19:28You do not have to say anything.
0:19:28 > 0:19:32- However, if you do not mention something you later rely on in court...- This is a joke, isn't it?
0:19:32 > 0:19:34..it could harm your defence. Anything you do say
0:19:34 > 0:19:36may be used in evidence against you. Do you understand?
0:19:36 > 0:19:39- It's a joke, right? - Do you understand?- No!
0:19:39 > 0:19:44- I think you do but I'll say it again.- No, no...- And sorry about this, but it's murder, so...
0:19:44 > 0:19:48If you do not mention something you later rely on in court it could harm your defence.
0:19:48 > 0:19:53- Is this the boy last night?- Yes.- But he was with his girl!- In that case he's got nothing to worry about.
0:19:53 > 0:19:56- I haven't done anything! - You've got the wrong boy, you've made a mistake!
0:19:56 > 0:20:00- He hasn't done anything wrong! - Where are they taking him?
0:20:00 > 0:20:02- They're arresting him!- Patrick!
0:20:02 > 0:20:07- Patrick!- Patrick!- Patrick, what's happening?!- Dad, what's going on?
0:20:07 > 0:20:10- I don't know, did he say anything to you?- He hasn't said anything to me.
0:20:10 > 0:20:14Patrick, call us, all right? We can get in there. Tell us where you are.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17- Patrick, what's happening!- Did he tell you anything?- No, nothing.
0:20:19 > 0:20:21Shit. I can't believe it.
0:22:14 > 0:22:18- SHE SCREAMS - NO!!!!!!
0:22:21 > 0:22:25No! No...
0:22:27 > 0:22:29No!!!
0:22:36 > 0:22:37No!!
0:22:59 > 0:23:02- They're letting you go...? - Police bail.
0:23:02 > 0:23:03Where's Johnjo?
0:23:03 > 0:23:06He's in the car. We're on double yellows.
0:23:06 > 0:23:08- What's going on?- I'll tell you when we get home.
0:23:19 > 0:23:20Move. Now.
0:23:20 > 0:23:23- What's going on? - I've told you. When we get home.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25- Does it involve Johnjo?- Yeah.
0:23:42 > 0:23:45CAR DOORS OPEN
0:24:01 > 0:24:03What do you think it is?
0:24:07 > 0:24:08Sit down.
0:24:10 > 0:24:12You're scaring me now, Patrick.
0:24:12 > 0:24:14You don't know the half of it, Mam.
0:24:16 > 0:24:17Sit down.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21Sit...down.
0:24:27 > 0:24:28Tell 'em.
0:24:32 > 0:24:34Or shall I tell 'em?
0:24:38 > 0:24:42That stabbing in the pizza place - the lads who did it used my car.
0:24:42 > 0:24:44How?
0:24:45 > 0:24:46He gave 'em a lift in it.
0:24:48 > 0:24:51- I've seen it on CCTV, Mum. - Oh, my God.
0:24:51 > 0:24:54- They...they told me they were going for a pizza.- Oh, Johnjo.
0:24:54 > 0:24:58- I wish I could smack you, you little prick.- I thought they were going for a pizza!
0:25:39 > 0:25:40Kids at home?
0:25:40 > 0:25:42Yeah.
0:25:44 > 0:25:46How are they?
0:25:46 > 0:25:47Over the moon.
0:25:50 > 0:25:52Sorry.
0:26:01 > 0:26:02We bumped into each other.
0:26:04 > 0:26:05Two weeks ago.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08What, he didn't mention it?
0:26:08 > 0:26:09No.
0:26:12 > 0:26:13Did he speak?
0:26:13 > 0:26:15No.
0:26:18 > 0:26:19He said hello.
0:26:21 > 0:26:22That was all.
0:26:23 > 0:26:25"Hello" was more than you deserved.
0:26:34 > 0:26:36Can I ask you something?
0:26:37 > 0:26:39Yeah.
0:26:41 > 0:26:42What is it?
0:26:44 > 0:26:46Did you have to turn him against me?
0:26:46 > 0:26:48- I didn't.- You did.
0:26:49 > 0:26:51I just told him the truth.
0:26:51 > 0:26:54- The truth was always going to make it worse.- How?
0:26:54 > 0:26:56You were leaving us. How could it get any worse?
0:26:58 > 0:26:59You dying, maybe.
0:26:59 > 0:27:02No, not even you dying, cos you dying brings in money -
0:27:02 > 0:27:04pension, insurance.
0:27:04 > 0:27:05You leaving means we're skint!
0:27:10 > 0:27:12You know what it is?
0:27:13 > 0:27:17Guilt. You feel as guilty as sin.
0:27:17 > 0:27:20Well, you've always felt as guilty as sin, ever since you left,
0:27:20 > 0:27:22and now THIS.
0:27:24 > 0:27:27This makes it ten times worse.
0:27:27 > 0:27:30Well, sorry, nothing I can do for you.
0:27:30 > 0:27:32My kids were traumatised, you see.
0:27:32 > 0:27:36You couldn't possibly know how traumatised cos you were off swanning it with your fancy piece.
0:27:36 > 0:27:38I was looking at it day in, day out.
0:27:42 > 0:27:44So I made sure they knew that it wasn't my fault.
0:27:46 > 0:27:48And you'd have done the same.
0:27:56 > 0:27:57It's not guilt.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02Well, not...it's not all guilt.
0:28:09 > 0:28:12I used to imagine our reconciliation.
0:28:13 > 0:28:16I'd meet him one day when he was older...
0:28:17 > 0:28:19..knew more about men and women, and...
0:28:21 > 0:28:22..we'd go for a pint...
0:28:24 > 0:28:26..and I'd talk to him man to man, you know.
0:28:26 > 0:28:27Brutal honesty.
0:28:29 > 0:28:32"One life, one shot at happiness," all that stuff.
0:28:35 > 0:28:38And after that, he'd have some sort of grudging...
0:28:41 > 0:28:43Well, no, not respect, no.
0:28:47 > 0:28:49A grudging acceptance maybe.
0:28:52 > 0:28:55And I'd build on that, you know.
0:28:55 > 0:28:56I'd build on it.
0:29:02 > 0:29:04But he's gone.
0:29:06 > 0:29:09And so has the prospect of our reconciliation.
0:29:12 > 0:29:15And that makes me so...
0:29:15 > 0:29:20- You know, it makes me... - Don't you dare cry!
0:29:20 > 0:29:21You don't have the right.
0:29:23 > 0:29:25You cry and I'll...
0:29:25 > 0:29:26KNOCK AT DOOR
0:29:39 > 0:29:43They, erm... They can do an independent postmortem for defence purposes.
0:29:44 > 0:29:48So...you'll be able to bury him in the next few weeks.
0:29:49 > 0:29:50Thanks.
0:29:54 > 0:29:56Did you decide which coffin...?
0:29:58 > 0:30:00Yeah. The white one.
0:30:00 > 0:30:03That's rather more expensive.
0:30:03 > 0:30:05- It's OK.- If you were on benefits, we could...
0:30:05 > 0:30:06It has to be the white one
0:30:06 > 0:30:10cos his friends want to write little messages on it.
0:30:10 > 0:30:11I'll get the money.
0:30:12 > 0:30:15It needs to be up front, you see...
0:30:15 > 0:30:18It's hard to talk money at a time like this but...
0:30:18 > 0:30:20Honestly, it's OK!
0:30:20 > 0:30:23I'll be getting money from Criminal Injuries, so I'll use that.
0:30:23 > 0:30:26I don't think that'll come in time.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29- Could I...- No! You gave us nothing when he was alive!
0:30:29 > 0:30:31I'm sorry about this.
0:30:31 > 0:30:33You won't do it now he's dead!
0:30:34 > 0:30:36- SOBBING:- I'm sorry...
0:31:11 > 0:31:13BELL CHIMES
0:31:24 > 0:31:25- 'Tomorrow?- Yeah.'
0:31:25 > 0:31:27Why wait till tomorrow?
0:31:27 > 0:31:29Two reasons - one, they'll call him a grass.
0:31:29 > 0:31:30- What?- They'll call him a grass.
0:31:30 > 0:31:32- A boy's just been killed, for God's sake!- I know that.
0:31:32 > 0:31:35Everyone should be a grass when a boy's been killed.
0:31:35 > 0:31:37- I agree...- Everyone should tell the police what they know!
0:31:37 > 0:31:39That's what we'd want if it happened to us!
0:31:39 > 0:31:42- Not everyone sees it that way. - We'd expect them to tell the truth
0:31:42 > 0:31:44I agree! But there's loads here who don't!
0:31:44 > 0:31:47They don't. Them mad bastards over there, they don't see it like that.
0:31:47 > 0:31:49They'll burn us out because he's grassed them up.
0:31:49 > 0:31:51And if they don't burn us out,
0:31:51 > 0:31:53the family of the lad who died will burn us out.
0:31:53 > 0:31:54That's the reality!
0:31:54 > 0:31:57We're going to need a bit of time to find somewhere else to live
0:31:57 > 0:31:59cos we're not going to be able to live round here.
0:31:59 > 0:32:01And we can't do anything until he's got a lawyer,
0:32:01 > 0:32:04a proper criminal lawyer, and we won't get one on a Sunday.
0:32:04 > 0:32:06- He doesn't need one!- So we'll have to wait until tomorrow.
0:32:06 > 0:32:08- Course he needs one! - He's done nothing wrong!
0:32:08 > 0:32:10All he's got to do is go there and tell the truth
0:32:10 > 0:32:12cos he's got nothing to fear from telling the truth!
0:32:12 > 0:32:14"Why wait?" That's what they'll say.
0:32:14 > 0:32:16"Why didn't you come right round, as soon as you knew?
0:32:16 > 0:32:18"And why are you hiding behind a lawyer?
0:32:18 > 0:32:22"If you've got nothing to hide, why the wait? Why the lawyer?"
0:32:22 > 0:32:24- Where are you going?- Toilet.
0:32:25 > 0:32:27I can't believe you're acting like this.
0:32:27 > 0:32:29Some poor boy's just been murdered!
0:32:29 > 0:32:30I'm thinking of Johnjo!
0:32:30 > 0:32:32Some poor mother is off her head with grief
0:32:32 > 0:32:35and you're ducking and diving!
0:32:35 > 0:32:37I'm not ducking and diving! For God's sake, woman,
0:32:37 > 0:32:39I'm thinking about our son!
0:32:39 > 0:32:41I can't believe you're acting this way!
0:32:41 > 0:32:43What's happened to you?!
0:32:43 > 0:32:46MUFFLED ARGUMENT CONTINUES
0:32:54 > 0:32:57# This is the debt I pay
0:32:58 > 0:33:03# Just for one riotous day
0:33:04 > 0:33:08# Years of regret and grief
0:33:09 > 0:33:14# Sorrow without relief... #
0:33:36 > 0:33:39- Mr Hastings?- Yes.
0:33:40 > 0:33:42I'm Johnjo O'Shea.
0:33:42 > 0:33:45You came to our house when you arrested our Patrick.
0:33:45 > 0:33:48- It was me who opened the door.- Right.
0:33:50 > 0:33:52- It was me.- Right.
0:33:53 > 0:33:55It was me who drove the car.
0:33:59 > 0:34:02- They told me they were going for a pizza.- The other lads?- Yeah.
0:34:02 > 0:34:04- And you believed them?- Yeah.
0:34:04 > 0:34:06In that case, you've got nothing to fear, son.
0:34:06 > 0:34:09- You just tell me everything you know and then...- I'm going to.
0:34:09 > 0:34:11- ..you can go back home, OK?- OK.
0:34:11 > 0:34:14- How old are you?- 17.
0:34:14 > 0:34:16Do you want your parents to sit in on this?
0:34:16 > 0:34:19- No.- OK.
0:34:19 > 0:34:22- Johnjo at yours by any chance? - Patrick O'Shea, Mrs Mac.
0:34:22 > 0:34:23Is your Michael there?
0:34:23 > 0:34:26He didn't say anything, just disappeared. He never does that.
0:34:26 > 0:34:28No, he's gone missing, mate.
0:34:28 > 0:34:29We're getting worried about him.
0:34:29 > 0:34:31- It's OK, I'll hang on. - No, I've tried his mobile.
0:34:31 > 0:34:32He's not answering it.
0:34:35 > 0:34:39DI Hastings, DC Jane Pearson with John Joseph O'Shea.
0:34:39 > 0:34:44Interview begins 1:18pm, 20 June 2013.
0:34:45 > 0:34:48You remember I asked you if you wanted your parents in on this
0:34:48 > 0:34:50interview, Johnjo, and you said no?
0:34:50 > 0:34:52- Do you remember that?- Yeah.
0:34:54 > 0:34:59Well, you can have a lawyer here if you want. That's your right too.
0:34:59 > 0:35:01- Do you understand that?- Yeah.
0:35:03 > 0:35:06- Do you want a lawyer? - No, I've done nothing wrong.
0:35:06 > 0:35:08I'm just telling the truth.
0:35:09 > 0:35:13PHONE RINGS
0:35:19 > 0:35:21Do you want to answer that?
0:35:21 > 0:35:23No.
0:35:23 > 0:35:24Still message.
0:35:24 > 0:35:26'Leave your number and I'll give you a call back.'
0:35:26 > 0:35:28Johnjo, I'm fed up with you messing about!
0:35:28 > 0:35:31I'm worried sick about you! Now phone me!
0:35:32 > 0:35:35One of my brother's mates phoned and asked for a lift to the pizza place.
0:35:38 > 0:35:42I said yeah, and he came round with another mate
0:35:42 > 0:35:45and a lad called...Kieran Gillespie.
0:35:48 > 0:35:50Wait in the car.
0:35:50 > 0:35:52- That's him.- Who?- No-one.
0:35:53 > 0:35:55No mushrooms on mine.
0:35:59 > 0:36:00MUSIC PLAYS IN CAR
0:36:00 > 0:36:04MUSIC: "Ill Manors" by Plan B
0:36:05 > 0:36:08CHEERING FROM FAIR
0:36:12 > 0:36:15MEN SHOUT
0:36:16 > 0:36:18What the fuck did you do that for?!
0:36:18 > 0:36:20Get in the fucking car!
0:36:20 > 0:36:23Fucking little git!
0:36:23 > 0:36:24Drive. Drive!
0:36:26 > 0:36:28Fucking stupid! Brake then...
0:36:29 > 0:36:31Nearly there now, Johnjo.
0:36:31 > 0:36:34Just a few more things we need and then it's over, OK?
0:36:37 > 0:36:39Who were the other two lads?
0:36:41 > 0:36:42They didn't do anything wrong.
0:36:42 > 0:36:46I understand that, but we need to know their names, Johnjo.
0:36:46 > 0:36:49I don't mind grassing Kieran Gillespie up,
0:36:49 > 0:36:50because he did the stabbing.
0:36:50 > 0:36:52But I'm not grassing on the other two, no.
0:36:52 > 0:36:54They your mates?
0:36:54 > 0:36:56- No.- Your brother's mates?
0:36:58 > 0:36:59Yeah.
0:37:00 > 0:37:02Who matters more to you -
0:37:02 > 0:37:04them or your parents?
0:37:06 > 0:37:08My parents.
0:37:09 > 0:37:13You said they were rowing, Johnjo.
0:37:13 > 0:37:15Your parents? Over you.
0:37:17 > 0:37:20- Yeah.- Over whether to go to the police or not.
0:37:22 > 0:37:23Yeah.
0:37:26 > 0:37:28That's bad news.
0:37:28 > 0:37:32Your parents could go to prison for that, Johnjo.
0:37:32 > 0:37:35Not calling the police, that's perverting the course of justice.
0:37:35 > 0:37:37And even if they only did it cos they love you,
0:37:37 > 0:37:40it's very, very serious.
0:37:40 > 0:37:44Luckily, you've come forward and as long as we get the whole truth from you,
0:37:44 > 0:37:47we should be able to turn a blind eye to all that.
0:37:47 > 0:37:49So it's good, isn't it?
0:37:50 > 0:37:53I've already told you, I'm not...
0:37:53 > 0:37:54I'm not grassing on the other two.
0:37:54 > 0:37:57Kieran Gillespie, yeah. The other two, no.
0:37:58 > 0:37:59OK.
0:38:01 > 0:38:03You left the engine running.
0:38:05 > 0:38:07- Yeah.- Why?
0:38:07 > 0:38:08It was cold.
0:38:10 > 0:38:11For a quick getaway?
0:38:13 > 0:38:14No.
0:38:20 > 0:38:23- Shall we go looking for him? Drive round a bit?- Where would we look?
0:38:23 > 0:38:25- I don't know.- What if he comes back while we're out?
0:38:25 > 0:38:27I can't just sit round here.
0:38:29 > 0:38:30Oh, Pete!
0:38:43 > 0:38:44What's happened to him?
0:38:44 > 0:38:46- We've got a warrant to search the house, Mrs O'Shea.- What?!
0:38:46 > 0:38:49- We need to search the house. - You've not come about Johnjo?
0:38:49 > 0:38:51We spoke to Johnjo, and acting on information he gave us
0:38:51 > 0:38:53- we obtained a warrant to search the house.- Where is he?
0:38:53 > 0:38:56- Down the station. Do you mind if we come in?- I don't understand.
0:38:56 > 0:38:58I'll explain inside.
0:38:59 > 0:39:01- What's going on? - Searching the house.
0:39:01 > 0:39:03We'd like you to stay in this room
0:39:03 > 0:39:05and WPC Matthews will stay with you.
0:39:05 > 0:39:08We'd like you to try and sit and relax.
0:39:08 > 0:39:10And certainly don't remove anything from the room.
0:39:10 > 0:39:13- If you need to use the bathroom... - How did you talk to Johnjo?
0:39:13 > 0:39:15He came into the station and made a full statement.
0:39:15 > 0:39:16- A full statement?- Yes.
0:39:16 > 0:39:19If he's made a full statement, you'll know he's done nothing.
0:39:19 > 0:39:22If you want to use the bathroom, a police officer will have to go with you.
0:39:22 > 0:39:24We'll almost certainly have to take stuff away,
0:39:24 > 0:39:27- should that happen, we'll photograph it...- Can I see my son, please?
0:39:27 > 0:39:30We'll get you to witness it and we'll give you a receipt.
0:39:30 > 0:39:31Can I see my son, please?!
0:39:31 > 0:39:33I'll organise that as soon as I can.
0:39:33 > 0:39:35My daughter's upstairs!
0:39:35 > 0:39:37- Will you get her down, please? - Karen!
0:39:37 > 0:39:39We'll need the clothes Johnjo was wearing that night.
0:39:39 > 0:39:41Karen, get down here!
0:39:41 > 0:39:42What's going on?
0:39:42 > 0:39:44They'll be in the basket.
0:39:44 > 0:39:47He's wearing the jeans. Socks, vest and undies will be in the basket.
0:39:47 > 0:39:49- Mum?- Get down here!
0:39:49 > 0:39:50What's going on?
0:39:50 > 0:39:52They're searching the house.
0:39:52 > 0:39:54- Get in here.- For God's sake...
0:40:09 > 0:40:10Look right.
0:40:13 > 0:40:15Look left.
0:40:43 > 0:40:45We're better than that. Come on.
0:41:13 > 0:41:14Auntie Shelagh.
0:41:20 > 0:41:22- Is it true?- Is what true?
0:41:22 > 0:41:24- Police searched your house.- Yeah.
0:41:24 > 0:41:26- Does she know?- No.
0:41:27 > 0:41:29What were they looking for?
0:41:29 > 0:41:32- Evidence.- About what?
0:41:37 > 0:41:39If you don't tell her, I will.
0:41:39 > 0:41:41What?
0:41:41 > 0:41:43What is it?
0:41:47 > 0:41:50That stabbing in the pizza place.
0:41:50 > 0:41:51Yeah?
0:41:51 > 0:41:53Johnjo drove them.
0:41:55 > 0:41:57It were Kieran...Gillespie.
0:41:59 > 0:42:00How do you know?
0:42:02 > 0:42:04How do you know that?
0:42:04 > 0:42:05I was with him.
0:42:11 > 0:42:13You used him, didn't you?
0:42:13 > 0:42:15Our Johnjo.
0:42:15 > 0:42:17- No, mate.- You did.
0:42:18 > 0:42:20You know the kind of lad he is.
0:42:20 > 0:42:23You know he thinks the sun shines out of your arse.
0:42:23 > 0:42:26He was never going to say no to you.
0:42:26 > 0:42:28No, mate. We tried you first, your phone were off.
0:42:37 > 0:42:38I'm sorry, Mum.
0:43:15 > 0:43:17They said they won't let me go.
0:43:19 > 0:43:21It's only for one night, Johnjo.
0:43:24 > 0:43:25Just one night.
0:43:26 > 0:43:28And tomorrow, we go to court,
0:43:28 > 0:43:30we tell them you've done nothing,
0:43:30 > 0:43:33we get you out and we bring you home.
0:43:34 > 0:43:36Right.
0:43:37 > 0:43:39I promise.
0:43:47 > 0:43:50'We ask for bail on three counts, Ma'am.'
0:43:50 > 0:43:52One, he's 17 years of age.
0:43:52 > 0:43:55Two, he's a young man of impeccable character,
0:43:55 > 0:43:58no previous convictions whatsoever.
0:43:58 > 0:44:01Three, he walked into the police station of his own accord
0:44:01 > 0:44:03and gave a full and frank statement.
0:44:03 > 0:44:06And that is the only reason he stands before you today.
0:44:10 > 0:44:11Yes?
0:44:11 > 0:44:15We oppose bail, Ma'am, due to the serious nature of the charge.
0:44:16 > 0:44:17Bail refused.
0:44:19 > 0:44:22You are remanded in custody to reappear here in two weeks' time.
0:44:22 > 0:44:23Take him down.
0:44:26 > 0:44:28MAN: There's been a mix up with the paperwork...
0:44:28 > 0:44:32- Excuse me.- Can you be more specific? - Excuse me, please!
0:44:32 > 0:44:33Yes?
0:44:36 > 0:44:39- Are you OK, Mr O'Shea? - He's a haemophiliac!
0:44:39 > 0:44:42Oh. Well, I'll make sure he's looked after, don't worry.
0:44:42 > 0:44:44Take him down, please.
0:44:55 > 0:44:584,600.
0:44:58 > 0:45:00Yes.
0:45:00 > 0:45:03Well, I don't have any recent experience,
0:45:03 > 0:45:05but isn't that's a lot for a funeral?
0:45:05 > 0:45:08It's a bit more than average, yes.
0:45:09 > 0:45:13Well, you've had an overdraft with us for...quite some time
0:45:13 > 0:45:15and your mortgage is still in arrears,
0:45:15 > 0:45:18so you've obviously struggled.
0:45:18 > 0:45:21Unless your personal circumstances have radically improved,
0:45:21 > 0:45:24then I just don't think it's wise to take on any more debt.
0:45:24 > 0:45:26Sorry.
0:45:27 > 0:45:30But they have improved.
0:45:30 > 0:45:33- Radically improved.- How?
0:45:33 > 0:45:35I have one less mouth to feed.
0:45:36 > 0:45:39Sorry about that. And I'm sorry to have bothered you.
0:46:15 > 0:46:17And now the three of you walking purposefully
0:46:17 > 0:46:19from the car to the pizza place.
0:46:19 > 0:46:21That is you there, Kieran, yeah?
0:46:21 > 0:46:22No comment.
0:46:24 > 0:46:28You say you went in for a pizza, but that could be 20 minutes.
0:46:28 > 0:46:30- Why leave the engine running? - No comment.
0:46:34 > 0:46:36And now you're out again, panicking.
0:46:36 > 0:46:38You'd call that panicking, wouldn't you, Colin?
0:46:38 > 0:46:41There, you're shouting at Kieran Gillespie.
0:46:41 > 0:46:44- Why are you shouting at him? - No comment.
0:47:01 > 0:47:04- Hiya.- All right?
0:47:04 > 0:47:06I'm just passing, I thought I'd give you a lift.
0:47:08 > 0:47:11Where?
0:47:11 > 0:47:12ID parade.
0:47:39 > 0:47:43- Why are we stopping here? - His mother lives here.- Whose?
0:47:43 > 0:47:44Boy who got stabbed.
0:47:46 > 0:47:47She's got something to say to you.
0:48:00 > 0:48:02DOOR BELL RINGS
0:48:06 > 0:48:12- Hi, Margaret. Margaret Ward, this is Hugo Davies.- Hello.- Hello.
0:48:12 > 0:48:15- He runs the pizza place.- Oh!
0:48:15 > 0:48:19I wanted to thank you, Hugo.
0:48:19 > 0:48:22Thank you for phoning the ambulance so promptly,
0:48:22 > 0:48:25for giving my son his best chance of survival.
0:48:27 > 0:48:30It wasn't meant to be, but...
0:48:32 > 0:48:33Thank you.
0:48:37 > 0:48:38I'll phone you tonight.
0:48:45 > 0:48:46ENGINE STARTS
0:49:20 > 0:49:23'We think one of the three men who entered your shop
0:49:23 > 0:49:26'on the night of the murder is in this line-up.'
0:49:26 > 0:49:28Can you see if you recognise anyone, please?
0:49:53 > 0:49:55No.
0:49:55 > 0:49:56- Are you sure?- Yeah.
0:49:58 > 0:49:59Right, well...
0:49:59 > 0:50:01One more.
0:50:01 > 0:50:05Again, see if you can recognise anyone, please.
0:50:30 > 0:50:32- No. - HUGO CLEARS HIS THROAT
0:50:32 > 0:50:35- Do you want to see them again?- No.
0:50:35 > 0:50:37You were very quick, you see.
0:50:37 > 0:50:42I've been a copper now for 33 years and I've never seen anyone as quick.
0:50:42 > 0:50:44It was if you didn't want to recognise anyone.
0:50:44 > 0:50:45Sorry.
0:50:48 > 0:50:50You will be, son.
0:50:50 > 0:50:53You didn't even recognise Tony Wallace.
0:50:55 > 0:50:57- Who is Tony Wallace?- You don't know Tony Wallace?- No.
0:50:57 > 0:51:01We've checked the calls made to and from your shop.
0:51:01 > 0:51:05You phoned him 15 minutes before the murder.
0:51:05 > 0:51:08He phoned you immediately after it.
0:51:12 > 0:51:13I'd like a lawyer, please.
0:51:14 > 0:51:15Yeah.
0:51:17 > 0:51:20There is very little I can do for my son.
0:51:20 > 0:51:24But I can give him a good sendoff, a good funeral.
0:51:24 > 0:51:27I'm getting £5,000 anyway.
0:51:27 > 0:51:29I don't want it, but I'm getting it.
0:51:29 > 0:51:32So give me it now and then I can bury him with it.
0:51:32 > 0:51:35We'll speed things through as much as possible, Mrs Ward,
0:51:35 > 0:51:38but...I can't promise payment before the funeral.
0:51:50 > 0:51:52Well, then, how do I bury my son?
0:51:52 > 0:51:54And what are you charging my client with?
0:51:54 > 0:51:59- Murder.- What?- Joint enterprise murder.- That's ridiculous!
0:51:59 > 0:52:01Isn't it?
0:52:01 > 0:52:02No.
0:52:02 > 0:52:05Acid indigestion. It's taking the enamel off my teeth.
0:52:05 > 0:52:08- God knows what it's doing to my stomach.- In the old days,
0:52:08 > 0:52:12we worked hard to establish who it was who used the knife.
0:52:12 > 0:52:17He'd get done for murder and the other scumbags would go free.
0:52:17 > 0:52:21All that effort, I used to think, just so scumbags could go free.
0:52:22 > 0:52:24Well, now it's all changed.
0:52:24 > 0:52:26We don't have to prove who used the knife any more...
0:52:28 > 0:52:30..cos you all get done for murder.
0:52:32 > 0:52:33If you were there, egging him on,
0:52:33 > 0:52:35backing him up, helping in any way...
0:52:37 > 0:52:41..a phone call, a knowing look, even...
0:52:42 > 0:52:44..you get done for murder.
0:52:44 > 0:52:48It's called joint enterprise, Hugo, and I love it.
0:52:53 > 0:52:54Yes.
0:52:59 > 0:53:04- Is there anything we can help you with, Detective Inspector?- Yeah.
0:53:04 > 0:53:07He can make a full statement, name names
0:53:07 > 0:53:09and agree to give evidence, if necessary.
0:53:09 > 0:53:12And in return?
0:53:12 > 0:53:13He goes free.
0:53:20 > 0:53:21'I was on my own.
0:53:21 > 0:53:24'It dies off about eight, you see, picks up again at about ten.'
0:53:24 > 0:53:26'Hello?'
0:53:26 > 0:53:29- Hugo Davies here, Tony. - 'You all right?'
0:53:29 > 0:53:31You still after that gobshite Albie Flanagan?
0:53:31 > 0:53:33'Yes, mate, too right.'
0:53:33 > 0:53:36Yeah, he's just phoned for three specials.
0:53:36 > 0:53:39- 'Yeah, spot on. Be down in two.'- OK, mate.
0:53:40 > 0:53:41I go to the match.
0:53:42 > 0:53:44I see linesmen.
0:53:45 > 0:53:48They're unsure whether a man's offside or not,
0:53:48 > 0:53:49but they put the flag up.
0:53:50 > 0:53:53Nine times out of ten, they put the flag up.
0:53:54 > 0:53:56Because they want to be seen to matter.
0:53:57 > 0:54:00And you're seen to matter if you do something, not when you don't.
0:54:02 > 0:54:05I think that's why I made the call.
0:54:05 > 0:54:07'I wanted to be seen to matter.'
0:54:07 > 0:54:11- All right, Hugo?- All right, Albie? How's it going?- Sound.
0:54:11 > 0:54:14- How long have you been here? - A few months.- Is it any good?
0:54:14 > 0:54:15Yeah, it's not bad.
0:54:15 > 0:54:17Oh!
0:54:19 > 0:54:22- Not in here!- Touch her again and I'll kill you, right?- Outside! Tony!
0:54:22 > 0:54:25- Get him out!- You got me, yeah? - This is out of order, this, Tony!
0:54:25 > 0:54:27This is completely out of order!
0:54:27 > 0:54:30This'll bring the coppers round my shop! That's not right, Tony!
0:54:30 > 0:54:33- I'll go on knocking the shit out of you.- Take him outside.
0:54:33 > 0:54:35- What are you looking at?- Nothing.
0:54:35 > 0:54:37- You think I'm shit? - I'll kill you, right?
0:54:37 > 0:54:41He's had enough now, mate. Tony, get the fuck out of my shop Tony, now!
0:54:41 > 0:54:42I said,
0:54:42 > 0:54:44- do you think I'm shit?! - No.
0:54:44 > 0:54:47Get him outside! Chill out, mate. It's all going to be on me...
0:55:00 > 0:55:03If I had known you would do it here, I'd have never have rung you, mate!
0:55:06 > 0:55:08He's stabbed him.
0:55:08 > 0:55:10The mad bastard's stabbed him!
0:55:10 > 0:55:13- Jesus, Kieran...- I knew this would happen.- You mad bastard!
0:55:13 > 0:55:15You stupid mad bastard!
0:55:15 > 0:55:18- Fucking... - THEY ALL SHOUT AT ONCE
0:55:18 > 0:55:21- ..Someone's been stabbed. - THEY SHOUT OVER ONE ANOTHER
0:55:21 > 0:55:24I don't know what I'm doing, mate. Please.
0:55:24 > 0:55:27Superbo Pizza, it's on the corner. Superbo Pizza.
0:55:27 > 0:55:31The bastard's gone off without him. Holt Road. H-O-L-T. Holt.
0:55:31 > 0:55:34They all just got off and left me to it, the pricks. Even Colin McCabe.
0:55:34 > 0:55:36Even Colin McCabe?
0:55:38 > 0:55:39Yeah, he's a nurse.
0:55:46 > 0:55:49PHONE RINGS
0:55:51 > 0:55:53- Hello? MARGARET:- 'It's me.'
0:55:56 > 0:55:59- How are you?- 'Fine.'
0:56:01 > 0:56:02'What is it?'
0:56:08 > 0:56:10I can't get the money to bury him.
0:56:13 > 0:56:14'Can I give you it?'
0:56:22 > 0:56:23Yeah.
0:56:26 > 0:56:27How much?
0:56:27 > 0:56:30'4,600.
0:56:30 > 0:56:33'And maybe 200 for the buffet.
0:56:33 > 0:56:34'Four-eight.'
0:56:34 > 0:56:36I'll bring round five grand tomorrow.
0:56:36 > 0:56:38Four-eight.
0:56:41 > 0:56:42Four-eight.
0:56:44 > 0:56:45Thanks.
0:56:51 > 0:56:53I'm sorry for treating you so badly.
0:56:53 > 0:56:54I'm sorry for lying...
0:56:54 > 0:56:56I just want the money, Tommy.
0:56:57 > 0:56:58Right.
0:56:58 > 0:57:00SHE HANGS UP
0:57:06 > 0:57:08SHE EXHALES SHAKILY
0:57:15 > 0:57:18# One morn I left him in his bed
0:57:22 > 0:57:25# A moment after someone said... #
0:57:25 > 0:57:27He's here, Mum.
0:57:27 > 0:57:31# Your child is dying
0:57:31 > 0:57:32# He is dead
0:57:39 > 0:57:42# We made him ready for his rest
0:57:45 > 0:57:49# Flowers in his hair and on his breast
0:57:51 > 0:57:53# His little hands
0:57:54 > 0:57:57# Together rest
0:58:03 > 0:58:07# We sailed by night across the sea
0:58:10 > 0:58:14# So floating from the world were we
0:58:16 > 0:58:18# Apart from sympathy
0:58:19 > 0:58:22# We three... #
0:58:22 > 0:58:23Blessed art thou amongst women
0:58:23 > 0:58:26and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
0:58:26 > 0:58:28Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now
0:58:28 > 0:58:30and at the hour of our death.
0:58:30 > 0:58:31- ALL:- Amen.
0:58:31 > 0:58:33Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.
0:58:33 > 0:58:35Blessed art thou amongst women,
0:58:35 > 0:58:38and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
0:58:38 > 0:58:40Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners,
0:58:40 > 0:58:42now and at the hour of our death.
0:58:42 > 0:58:44- ALL:- Amen. - Hail Mary, full of grace.
0:58:44 > 0:58:46- WOMAN SNIFFLES - The Lord is with thee.
0:58:46 > 0:58:47Blessed art thou amongst women,
0:58:47 > 0:58:49and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
0:58:49 > 0:58:51- WOMAN SOBS - Holy Mary, Mother of God,
0:58:51 > 0:58:54pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
0:58:54 > 0:58:55- ALL:- Amen.
0:58:55 > 0:58:58Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.
0:58:58 > 0:58:59Blessed art thou amongst women,
0:58:59 > 0:59:02and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
0:59:02 > 0:59:05Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners...
0:59:07 > 0:59:09BOTTLE CLINKS ON GLASS
0:59:29 > 0:59:31Not into that either?
0:59:50 > 0:59:53SHE SOBS
1:00:02 > 1:00:05We've been lucky. We have a good judge.
1:00:05 > 1:00:08I'm going to ask him to view it as a straightforward murder case -
1:00:08 > 1:00:12one killer, one victim, not joint enterprise.
1:00:12 > 1:00:15- And if he agrees to that?- If he agrees to that, then JohnJo's coming home with you.
1:00:15 > 1:00:16No doubt whatsoever.
1:00:18 > 1:00:21Kieran Gillespie,
1:00:21 > 1:00:24you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.
1:00:24 > 1:00:25How do you plead?
1:00:25 > 1:00:27Not guilty.
1:00:27 > 1:00:31Colin McCabe, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.
1:00:31 > 1:00:34- How do you plead?- Not guilty.
1:00:34 > 1:00:38Anthony Wallace, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.
1:00:38 > 1:00:41- How do you plead?- Not guilty.
1:00:41 > 1:00:47John Joseph O'Shea, you are accused of the murder of Thomas James Ward.
1:00:47 > 1:00:49How do you plead?
1:00:49 > 1:00:53- Not guilty.- Be seated.
1:00:56 > 1:01:01I'll hear submissions, we'll break and I'll respond after lunch.
1:01:01 > 1:01:04Who will go first? Mr Barnes-Williams?
1:01:06 > 1:01:10I represent John Joseph O'Shea and I make four main points, your honour.
1:01:10 > 1:01:15First, four young men stand accused of murder.
1:01:15 > 1:01:17Only one of them wielded the knife
1:01:17 > 1:01:20and yet the prosecution will make no attempt to identify that man.
1:01:20 > 1:01:24It need not do so because of Joint Enterprise.
1:01:24 > 1:01:30Joint Enterprise, or Common Purpose, a law introduced in the 18th century
1:01:30 > 1:01:34to stop the aristocracy from duelling, is now being used
1:01:34 > 1:01:37increasingly against young people from our council estates.
1:01:37 > 1:01:40And all too often it results in cases such as this,
1:01:40 > 1:01:44where a young man, who is asked for a lift, gives that lift
1:01:44 > 1:01:47and faces life in prison for it.
1:01:48 > 1:01:52Secondly, I would submit that for a joint enterprise murder case to
1:01:52 > 1:01:57proceed, all those involved in the enterprise must face trial.
1:01:57 > 1:01:59But in this case, your honour,
1:01:59 > 1:02:05one person does not, that is the pizza manager, Mr Hugo Davies.
1:02:05 > 1:02:09Now it could be argued that his involvement
1:02:09 > 1:02:12in all of this was vital,
1:02:12 > 1:02:15after all it was he who alerted one young man to the fact that
1:02:15 > 1:02:20another young man, his sworn enemy, would shortly be in the shop.
1:02:20 > 1:02:23So why does Hugo Davies escape trial
1:02:23 > 1:02:27when those who are far less guilty, face it?
1:02:27 > 1:02:30Surely his absence from the dock means that only one man
1:02:30 > 1:02:33can be held responsible for this crime and, again, it is
1:02:33 > 1:02:36he who wielded the knife.
1:02:36 > 1:02:41Thirdly, there was no joint enterprise to murder the victim,
1:02:41 > 1:02:44there was no planning, there was no conspiracy.
1:02:44 > 1:02:48At worst, Anthony Wallace went to the pizza shop to confront Albie Flanagan.
1:02:48 > 1:02:53During the course of that confrontation, a young man,
1:02:53 > 1:02:56Thomas Ward, an innocent bystander, was stabbed.
1:02:56 > 1:03:02But nobody entered the shop intent on harming Thomas Ward.
1:03:02 > 1:03:06His murder was just a moment of madness.
1:03:06 > 1:03:09With no forethought and no plan.
1:03:09 > 1:03:12So, again, only he who was responsible for this
1:03:12 > 1:03:16moment of madness, he who wielded the knife, should face trial.
1:03:16 > 1:03:18And the innocent should go free.
1:03:18 > 1:03:21And fourthly, with specific reference to my client
1:03:21 > 1:03:23John Joseph O'Shea.
1:03:23 > 1:03:29He will simply say that he drove the others for a pizza
1:03:29 > 1:03:32and there is no evidence to disprove that.
1:03:32 > 1:03:35Furthermore, he didn't go into the shop with them so he wasn't even
1:03:35 > 1:03:37on the scene of the crime when the crime was committed.
1:03:37 > 1:03:40I submit it would be dangerous to proceed against him
1:03:40 > 1:03:43on such a flimsy basis.
1:03:43 > 1:03:47Joint enterprise might allow it, your honour.
1:03:47 > 1:03:49Natural justice should not.
1:03:50 > 1:03:54Thank you. Next? Mr Cotting?
1:03:54 > 1:03:57Your honour, I represent...
1:04:19 > 1:04:20Would you like us to sit somewhere else?
1:04:24 > 1:04:26Yes.
1:04:36 > 1:04:38Our son is innocent, Mrs Ward...
1:04:38 > 1:04:40- Please, go.- We're going.
1:04:40 > 1:04:43I just want you to know he's telling the truth, he's innocent.
1:05:00 > 1:05:02- Innocent?- Yes.
1:05:02 > 1:05:06- Then why didn't he phone the police immediately? - Because his head was all...
1:05:06 > 1:05:09His head? What about mine?
1:05:19 > 1:05:22'And on that basis alone, the case'
1:05:22 > 1:05:26against Colin McCabe should be heard.
1:05:26 > 1:05:30Finally, John Joseph O'Shea.
1:05:30 > 1:05:32Your first point, Mr Barnes-Williams,
1:05:32 > 1:05:36seems to be this - you do not like joint enterprise.
1:05:36 > 1:05:38You are not alone.
1:05:38 > 1:05:41However, there is little I can do about that.
1:05:41 > 1:05:45This is not parliament. We can't amend, create or abolish any law.
1:05:46 > 1:05:50The law of joint enterprise exists, the crown has decided to
1:05:50 > 1:05:54prosecute according to that law so it is my duty to hear it.
1:05:55 > 1:05:58Now your second submission carries more weight.
1:05:58 > 1:06:02If there are five people involved in a joint enterprise,
1:06:02 > 1:06:04all five should stand trial.
1:06:04 > 1:06:06That is not happening here.
1:06:06 > 1:06:09Only four of the five face charges
1:06:09 > 1:06:11and the fifth is a witness for the prosecution.
1:06:11 > 1:06:16Rest assured, I will ask the jury to keep that in mind
1:06:16 > 1:06:18when weighing his evidence.
1:06:18 > 1:06:22I know that is not perfect but it is better than nothing.
1:06:22 > 1:06:26Justice for four is surely better than justice for none.
1:06:27 > 1:06:32Now, you say there was never any conspiracy or plan to attack Thomas Ward.
1:06:32 > 1:06:34That's correct.
1:06:34 > 1:06:38But there was a plan to attack a young man named Albert Flanagan
1:06:38 > 1:06:42and in the course of that attack, Thomas Ward died.
1:06:42 > 1:06:46Whether he was the intended target or an innocent bystander is
1:06:46 > 1:06:51immaterial, it is still joint enterprise murder.
1:06:52 > 1:06:56Finally, you describe the case against your client as
1:06:56 > 1:07:01"flimsy" in that he didn't enter the shop but sat waiting in the car.
1:07:01 > 1:07:06But this doesn't necessarily weaken the case against him.
1:07:06 > 1:07:08It could strengthen it.
1:07:08 > 1:07:11The prosecution could argue that John Joseph O'Shea was
1:07:11 > 1:07:14a getaway driver.
1:07:14 > 1:07:17And a getaway driver does not participate in the crime,
1:07:17 > 1:07:20he sits in the car with the engine running.
1:07:20 > 1:07:24On balance I think it right for the jury to consider that possibility.
1:07:25 > 1:07:29I'm confident that the case against all four defendants should proceed.
1:07:31 > 1:07:35- You're going to have to plead guilty, Kieran. That's the least you can do.- No way.- Take the blame.
1:07:35 > 1:07:39- You're the one who dropped us in this shit.- No way!- What, you think you can get away with it?
1:07:39 > 1:07:42- Yeah, I do. Yeah.- You've got no chance of getting away with it, you prick.
1:07:42 > 1:07:44He's told them everything. Hugo's told them everything.
1:07:44 > 1:07:47When we take the stand, we'll tell them everything. You've got no chance.
1:07:47 > 1:07:51- You're gonna grass? - Of course we're going to grass. You stabbed someone, you knob!
1:07:51 > 1:07:55You're going to have to tell them it were you. Just you.
1:07:55 > 1:07:58Right? We knew nothing about it. We knew nothing about a knife.
1:07:58 > 1:07:59Right?
1:07:59 > 1:08:01And I'll go down for life.
1:08:01 > 1:08:03You'll get life anyway cos you can't get away with it.
1:08:04 > 1:08:08- We'll see.- No, mate.
1:08:08 > 1:08:11You take us down with you, your life won't be worth living inside.
1:08:11 > 1:08:14I'll get to you. And if I don't, someone else will.
1:08:14 > 1:08:16You'll be doing life and you'll cacking it every single day.
1:08:17 > 1:08:19They'll put you with the nonces.
1:08:19 > 1:08:21You'll be doing life with the nonces
1:08:21 > 1:08:24unless you tell the truth and take the blame, mate.
1:08:24 > 1:08:27Tell the truth, Kieran.
1:08:27 > 1:08:30Go on, you'll be a hero, then, won't you?
1:08:30 > 1:08:32"There's Kieran Gillespie who pleaded guilty to murder
1:08:32 > 1:08:34"so his mates could go free.
1:08:34 > 1:08:35"He's a good lad him."
1:08:50 > 1:08:52I told my mum I didn't do it.
1:09:08 > 1:09:10All right.
1:09:11 > 1:09:13OK. I'll do it, yeah.
1:09:15 > 1:09:16I'll do it. Who do I tell?
1:09:16 > 1:09:19- The judge? What?- No, you tell the prosecution. I'll do it.
1:09:19 > 1:09:20I know him.
1:09:37 > 1:09:43- No can do, I'm afraid.- No?- The judge will say, "Mr Gillespie's getting life anyway.
1:09:43 > 1:09:46"He's got nothing to lose, so of course he's going try to
1:09:46 > 1:09:48"get his mates off by taking all the blame."
1:09:48 > 1:09:53- So what will you accept?- Mr Gillespie pleads guilty to murder,
1:09:53 > 1:09:56the other three to GBH or conspiracy to commit GBH.
1:09:56 > 1:09:58What'll that get us?
1:09:58 > 1:09:59Ten years.
1:10:00 > 1:10:03Nowhere near ten years.
1:10:03 > 1:10:05The tariff starts there but the judge will
1:10:05 > 1:10:08knock off time for a guilty plea, time off for no previous.
1:10:08 > 1:10:13At worst, at the very worst, six years.
1:10:15 > 1:10:18We've done nothing!
1:10:18 > 1:10:19I've done nothing.
1:10:19 > 1:10:22He's done nothing and he's done even less!
1:10:22 > 1:10:25I'm sorry but you either take what's on offer or you all
1:10:25 > 1:10:28stand trial for joint enterprise murder.
1:10:31 > 1:10:33Could I stand trial on my own?
1:10:35 > 1:10:36Afraid not.
1:10:38 > 1:10:39- Take six years or risk life?- Yeah.
1:10:44 > 1:10:47- Well?- What?- What does he do?
1:10:47 > 1:10:51- I dunno.- What do you think he should do?
1:10:51 > 1:10:54I don't know!
1:10:54 > 1:10:57- You're not getting away with it. - What?- You know what.
1:10:57 > 1:11:02- You've never made a decision in your entire life...- You've never let me! - You have to make one now!
1:11:02 > 1:11:03What do you think he should do?
1:11:03 > 1:11:08- I told you, I dunno!- You do, but you won't say. You want us to choose.
1:11:08 > 1:11:11We choose wrong, he gets life, you blame us.
1:11:11 > 1:11:14We take the six years, you blame us for that as well, well no, you're not on.
1:11:14 > 1:11:16You tell us what you think he should do.
1:11:26 > 1:11:28- Take the six years. - Take the six years?
1:11:30 > 1:11:33- Could you do six years? - Couldn't do a week in Butlins.
1:11:33 > 1:11:34I could do six years.
1:11:34 > 1:11:40- It's not just six years though, is it? You'd be saying you played a part in that boy's death.- I didn't.
1:11:40 > 1:11:42I know.
1:11:42 > 1:11:43BELL RINGS
1:11:49 > 1:11:53I'm pleading guilty to nothing, Mum. They can do what they want.
1:12:05 > 1:12:08PHONE RINGS
1:12:08 > 1:12:11RECORDING: "Hi, we're not at home. Please leave a message."
1:12:12 > 1:12:13'Hi, it's Shelagh, again.
1:12:15 > 1:12:17'I know you're there, will you just pick up?
1:12:20 > 1:12:22'If you don't pick up, I'm coming round.
1:12:26 > 1:12:27'I'm coming round.'
1:12:34 > 1:12:36There's Shelagh.
1:12:39 > 1:12:41KNOCKING
1:12:44 > 1:12:48You're wasting your time! I am not letting my son plead guilty to something he didn't do!
1:12:48 > 1:12:50- You'd sooner him stand trial for murder?- Yes!
1:12:50 > 1:12:54- You think he'll get off with it, don't you?- There's nothing to get off with! He's innocent!
1:12:54 > 1:12:57I'll rephrase that. You think a jury will acquit him, right?
1:12:57 > 1:13:00He stayed in the car, wasn't even near the scene of the crime.
1:13:00 > 1:13:04- So therefore can't possibly be guilty, right?- Right.- Wrong!
1:13:05 > 1:13:08There's people less guilty than Johnjo doing life.
1:13:08 > 1:13:12Do you know what this law's about, this Joint Enterprise Law?
1:13:12 > 1:13:15It's not about innocent or guilty,
1:13:15 > 1:13:18it's about getting working class scum off the streets.
1:13:18 > 1:13:21That's how they see our kids - scum, scallies. Your son, my son...
1:13:21 > 1:13:24- I'm shutting this door.- Gillespie and McCabe, they'll all get life...
1:13:24 > 1:13:27- I'm shutting this door.- You're not. You're going to hear me out.
1:13:27 > 1:13:29Put it into your laptop.
1:13:29 > 1:13:31Joint Enterprise and see what you get. Loads and...
1:13:31 > 1:13:33Get your hands off my door!
1:13:33 > 1:13:35..loads of innocent kids, twice as innocent as...
1:13:35 > 1:13:38- Get your hands off my door!- ..Johnjo and they're all doing life.
1:14:05 > 1:14:09- COLIN:- All I did was watch my mate's back. That's all I did.
1:14:09 > 1:14:11And it's bad enough getting six years for that,
1:14:11 > 1:14:13so I'm fucked if I'm going to get life, Johnjo.
1:14:13 > 1:14:16You'll be well looked after.
1:14:16 > 1:14:17THEY SHOUT OVER EACH OTHER
1:14:17 > 1:14:19Johnjo, are you fucking listening?
1:14:19 > 1:14:22I know you've got to do a year on your own at the young offenders'.
1:14:22 > 1:14:26You can't be with us because of your age. But after that, I promise you,
1:14:26 > 1:14:27you'll be with us.
1:14:27 > 1:14:31Every fucking prison I go in I'm gonna tell them about you, you cunt!
1:14:31 > 1:14:32Take the six, Johnjo.
1:14:32 > 1:14:35You dirty, shithead, stinking arsed grass.
1:14:35 > 1:14:38Eyes in the back of your head, that's what you're going to need.
1:14:38 > 1:14:40Plead guilty to GBH, Johnjo...
1:14:40 > 1:14:42You know what we do to a grass' family?
1:14:42 > 1:14:45- Tell them you'll take the GBH! - We torch the bastards!
1:14:45 > 1:14:48- Tell them you'll take the GBH. Johnjo.- You're dead!
1:14:48 > 1:14:52Johnjo! Tell them you'll take the fucking GBH.
1:14:52 > 1:14:54They're all going to fucking burn.
1:14:54 > 1:14:56I know you can hear me! Listen to me, mate.
1:14:56 > 1:14:59- Take the GBH.- I'm going to fucking...- Johnjo!
1:15:21 > 1:15:22He's a haemophiliac.
1:15:22 > 1:15:25We've mollycoddled him, wrapped him in cotton wool all his life.
1:15:25 > 1:15:27You think he'll survive six years in prison?
1:15:27 > 1:15:30- It won't be six years. - He'll get picked on, bullied, you know he will.
1:15:30 > 1:15:33Six years for my son is not the same as six years for the others.
1:15:33 > 1:15:35Six years for my son might as well be life
1:15:35 > 1:15:36so we're pleading not guilty.
1:15:36 > 1:15:39Well, in that case I can no longer represent him.
1:15:41 > 1:15:42What?!
1:15:46 > 1:15:50Why isn't the pizza manager standing trial with them?
1:15:50 > 1:15:54Because they needed his statement. The price they paid was his freedom.
1:15:54 > 1:15:55They needed Johnjo's statement.
1:15:55 > 1:15:57Yes. But he gave his away for nothing.
1:15:58 > 1:16:02Oh, he was honest, you mean. A big mistake, being honest.
1:16:02 > 1:16:06- Yes.- It's nothing to do with Johnjo, this.
1:16:06 > 1:16:09You don't want to lose. You don't want to be seen to lose.
1:16:09 > 1:16:15Mrs O'Shea, I care only for Johnjo. If we fight and lose, he gets life.
1:16:16 > 1:16:18If we plead guilty,
1:16:18 > 1:16:21the worst scenario is five years and four months.
1:16:21 > 1:16:24Not six years, five years and four months.
1:16:26 > 1:16:30The best scenario - he comes home with you today.
1:16:30 > 1:16:34Kieran Gillespie, you are charged with the murder
1:16:34 > 1:16:36of Thomas James Ward. How do you plead?
1:16:39 > 1:16:41Guilty.
1:16:44 > 1:16:49Colin McCabe, you are charged with conspiracy to commit
1:16:49 > 1:16:52grievous bodily harm. How do you plead?
1:16:54 > 1:16:55Guilty.
1:16:55 > 1:17:00Anthony Wallace, you are charged with conspiracy to
1:17:00 > 1:17:03commit grievous bodily harm. How do you plead?
1:17:03 > 1:17:04Guilty.
1:17:06 > 1:17:08John Joseph O'Shea,
1:17:08 > 1:17:12you are charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm.
1:17:12 > 1:17:14How do you plead?
1:17:31 > 1:17:32How do you plead?
1:17:37 > 1:17:38Guilty.
1:17:41 > 1:17:42You may be seated.
1:17:56 > 1:17:59# Pay it I will to the end
1:18:01 > 1:18:05# Until the grave, my friend
1:18:06 > 1:18:10# Gives me a true release
1:18:11 > 1:18:15# Gives me the clasp of peace... #
1:18:21 > 1:18:27'Kieran Gillespie, I take 25 years as a starting point.'
1:18:27 > 1:18:30I add two for the planned nature of the attack,
1:18:30 > 1:18:32two for the fact that it was a group attack
1:18:32 > 1:18:35and two years for the vulnerability of the victim.
1:18:37 > 1:18:42I deduct three years for the absence of an intention to kill,
1:18:42 > 1:18:44two years for your plea of guilty
1:18:44 > 1:18:48and two years for the lack of parental guidance.
1:18:48 > 1:18:53Kieran Gillespie, you are to be detained at her Majesty's pleasure
1:18:53 > 1:18:56for a minimum term of 24 years...
1:18:56 > 1:18:58COMMOTION
1:18:58 > 1:19:00Colin McCabe and Anthony Wallace,
1:19:00 > 1:19:04in each of your cases I start at ten years.
1:19:04 > 1:19:07I will deduct one year for your previous good characters
1:19:07 > 1:19:12and allow the full one-third discount for your guilty pleas.
1:19:12 > 1:19:14Colin McCabe and Anthony Wallace,
1:19:14 > 1:19:17you will each go to prison for six years.
1:19:19 > 1:19:22John Joseph O'Shea,
1:19:22 > 1:19:25you were 17 at the time of the offences
1:19:25 > 1:19:27and I therefore start at eight years.
1:19:27 > 1:19:31I will deduct a full one-third for your guilty plea
1:19:31 > 1:19:35and I sentence you, under the Power of the Criminal Court Act,
1:19:35 > 1:19:39to five years and four months' detention.
1:19:41 > 1:19:43Take them down, please.
1:20:18 > 1:20:20(Thank you so much.)
1:20:35 > 1:20:38BELL RINGS
1:20:50 > 1:20:52You all right?
1:20:59 > 1:21:00Good to see you.
1:21:03 > 1:21:05- How are you?- Great.
1:21:05 > 1:21:08- Yeah?- Yeah. Honest.
1:21:08 > 1:21:11Nothing to worry about in here, they're a great bunch of lads.
1:21:11 > 1:21:12They leaving you alone?
1:21:12 > 1:21:14Yeah!
1:21:14 > 1:21:18They know I'm haemophiliac, they know if they touch me, then they can kill me.
1:21:18 > 1:21:21It's like walking around with a suit of armour on or something!
1:21:24 > 1:21:27Mum, I'm fine. Honestly.
1:21:27 > 1:21:30Right? I'm fine.
1:21:33 > 1:21:35It's just a bit boring, that's all.
1:21:43 > 1:21:44Did you see the lawyer?
1:21:49 > 1:21:51- Yeah.- And?
1:21:59 > 1:22:01There's nothing he can do, Johnjo.
1:22:04 > 1:22:06- He said he was going to do all sorts.- I know.
1:22:08 > 1:22:12"Joint enterprise is wrong, joint enterprise needs changing,
1:22:12 > 1:22:14"joint enterprise this, joint enterprise that."
1:22:14 > 1:22:16You're not joint enterprise, son.
1:22:19 > 1:22:20What?
1:22:21 > 1:22:23You pleaded guilty to something else.
1:22:24 > 1:22:25It wasn't even a trial.
1:22:31 > 1:22:35I only pleaded guilty because I was scared of joint enterprise.
1:22:35 > 1:22:36I know.
1:22:40 > 1:22:42There's nothing we can do about it now.
1:23:00 > 1:23:01Oh, well!
1:23:56 > 1:24:00- Your neighbour said you'd been to see him.- Yeah.
1:24:06 > 1:24:07How is he?
1:24:10 > 1:24:11Fine.
1:24:15 > 1:24:16Coping?
1:24:20 > 1:24:21I don't think so.
1:24:24 > 1:24:28He pretends he is but I don't think he is.
1:24:30 > 1:24:31And you?
1:24:35 > 1:24:39Actually, Mrs Ward, I'm really proud of him.
1:24:42 > 1:24:47I always thought he'd make me proud by getting a degree or something
1:24:47 > 1:24:52but he's doing five and a half years and he's got haemophilia
1:24:52 > 1:24:54and all he cares about is not upsetting me
1:24:54 > 1:24:56and I think that is so...
1:24:59 > 1:25:02I think that is so fucking brave.
1:25:03 > 1:25:05I'm sorry.
1:25:06 > 1:25:08It's OK.
1:25:11 > 1:25:14I know you'd love your son to be doing five and a half years but...
1:25:18 > 1:25:22Could you tell him I got his letter?
1:25:23 > 1:25:25His letter?
1:25:26 > 1:25:28He wrote to me.
1:25:30 > 1:25:31You didn't know?
1:25:38 > 1:25:39Would you like to see it?
1:25:41 > 1:25:42Yes.
1:25:58 > 1:26:02"Dear Mrs Ward, I'm writing this after getting sentenced
1:26:02 > 1:26:06"because I don't want you to think I'm only writing so the judge will go easy on me.
1:26:09 > 1:26:12"I thought we were going for a pizza, Mrs Ward, honest.
1:26:12 > 1:26:15"But I've realised that doesn't make me innocent.
1:26:17 > 1:26:19"See, if I hadn't had been born,
1:26:19 > 1:26:24"I wouldn't have been able to drive them, and your Thomas would still be alive.
1:26:24 > 1:26:26"So that's kind of a guilt.
1:26:26 > 1:26:30"It's not really a guilty guilt, it's more of an innocent guilt
1:26:30 > 1:26:31"but it's a guilt just the same
1:26:31 > 1:26:35"and it's easier to do five and a half years thinking like that
1:26:35 > 1:26:37"than five and a half years thinking I'm innocent.
1:26:40 > 1:26:43"I'm really sorry, Mrs Ward.
1:26:43 > 1:26:45"I'm really, really sorry."
1:26:57 > 1:26:59Do you believe him?
1:27:05 > 1:27:06Yes.
1:27:32 > 1:27:35# This is the debt I pay
1:27:37 > 1:27:41# Just for one riotous day
1:27:42 > 1:27:46# Years of regret and grief
1:27:47 > 1:27:52# Sorrow without relief
1:28:02 > 1:28:06# Slight was the thing I bought
1:28:07 > 1:28:11# Small was the debt I thought
1:28:12 > 1:28:16# Poor was the loan at best
1:28:18 > 1:28:21# God! But the interest!
1:28:38 > 1:28:41My son Jordan is serving a 12 year minimum life sentence
1:28:41 > 1:28:44for joint enterprise murder.
1:28:44 > 1:28:46My sister Laura was given 13 years 6 month sentence
1:28:48 > 1:28:50for joint enterprise murder.
1:28:52 > 1:28:55My brother Michael Hall was given 13 years 6 months
1:28:55 > 1:28:57for joint enterprise murder.
1:28:59 > 1:29:00He was 15.