0:00:02 > 0:00:04"Dear X, you saw me. I really think you did. And I saw you."
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0:00:09 > 0:00:11Come on, George, don't be silly... Get off me!
0:00:13 > 0:00:14Who was he?
0:00:14 > 0:00:17George Selway. He was at the party.
0:00:17 > 0:00:18He works at the university.
0:00:18 > 0:00:21Do you want me to get some people to take a statement?
0:00:21 > 0:00:23I can't make a statement, you know I can't.
0:00:23 > 0:00:25What about your husband? Are you going to tell him?
0:00:25 > 0:00:27You haven't been right for weeks.
0:00:27 > 0:00:29'Is this my fault?'
0:00:29 > 0:00:31Rosa came with me to the conference.
0:00:31 > 0:00:33So you are sleeping with her?
0:00:34 > 0:00:37'It's George Selway. He won't leave me alone.'
0:00:37 > 0:00:40Wait, hang on, are you saying he's stalking you now?
0:00:40 > 0:00:43'He's been texting me. A few weeks ago he sent me flowers!
0:00:43 > 0:00:46'He just turned up in the shop near my house.'
0:00:46 > 0:00:48He knows about us.
0:00:49 > 0:00:51I know you're not allowed to talk about what you do.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53Can't you warn him off for me?
0:00:56 > 0:00:58What are you going to say to him?
0:01:09 > 0:01:11SHE GASPS
0:01:13 > 0:01:15You were in there for ages. What happened?
0:01:15 > 0:01:17Drive. Now, now!
0:01:18 > 0:01:20Just go! Go, go, go!
0:01:25 > 0:01:26- What is it? - Just go! Go, go, go!
0:01:26 > 0:01:28What's wrong? What happened?
0:01:34 > 0:01:36What did he say?
0:01:36 > 0:01:39No, listen. Everything's under control.
0:01:39 > 0:01:41Just... If it comes to it. IF it comes to it,
0:01:41 > 0:01:43just stick to the same story as with Kevin, right?
0:01:43 > 0:01:47We met through work. Erm, you...
0:01:47 > 0:01:49We talked about my niece, and you asked my advice,
0:01:49 > 0:01:51erm...because of my contacts in security.
0:01:51 > 0:01:53That's it. End of story.
0:01:53 > 0:01:55I'll say exactly the same thing.
0:01:55 > 0:01:58Do we need to call the police?
0:01:58 > 0:02:02No, just... Trust me, Yvonne.
0:02:02 > 0:02:03Trust me.
0:02:28 > 0:02:30HE PANTS
0:02:30 > 0:02:33So we, erm... We'd better not be in touch for a while.
0:02:33 > 0:02:36Er...just in case, give me your phone... Give it to me.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53Everything's going to be OK. Right, just stick to the story.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56- OK.- All right? - Yeah.
0:03:02 > 0:03:04It'll be fine.
0:03:04 > 0:03:06I'll see you in Apple Tree Yard.
0:03:09 > 0:03:10Mark!
0:04:24 > 0:04:27I'm...erm...going out for a bit.
0:04:30 > 0:04:31Right.
0:04:31 > 0:04:33Are we still on for tonight?
0:04:37 > 0:04:41Sathnam's birthday. Von, are you all right?
0:04:41 > 0:04:47Oh, God, yeah... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um...hormone brain.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51Yes, I've booked a table. "All you can eat."
0:04:54 > 0:04:55Great.
0:05:00 > 0:05:02Remind me what we've got him again.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04That speaker he wanted.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07It's the same one we've got in the kitchen.
0:05:07 > 0:05:08Oh, yes, yes. Excellent...
0:05:10 > 0:05:12Excellent.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28You should know this... thing with Rosa.
0:05:30 > 0:05:32Whatever it is, it's not serious.
0:05:34 > 0:05:35Right.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39Are you sure she feels the same way?
0:05:39 > 0:05:43She knows how I feel about you, I've made it very clear...
0:05:44 > 0:05:46Right.
0:05:48 > 0:05:52I'm sorry, Von.
0:05:52 > 0:05:54I really am.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02We've been through worse, hm?
0:06:05 > 0:06:07With Adam.
0:06:18 > 0:06:20Get a room, you two!
0:06:20 > 0:06:23- Hey!- Hey, how you doing?
0:06:23 > 0:06:24Happy birthday.
0:06:24 > 0:06:27Hey, you! I didn't know you were coming!
0:06:27 > 0:06:29I'm stealing the limelight from Sathnam.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33- Good to see you.- You, too.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36He is much too popular in this family for my liking!
0:06:36 > 0:06:39Last time you were kipping on our sofa.
0:07:04 > 0:07:05Yvonne Carmichael?
0:07:05 > 0:07:08- Yes.- I'm DI Cleveland, West Thames Murder Investigation Unit.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10This is my colleague, DS Brown.
0:07:10 > 0:07:13I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of George Selway.
0:07:13 > 0:07:14Murder?
0:07:28 > 0:07:31Hang on, hang on, there must be something wrong here...
0:07:39 > 0:07:41All right, all right.
0:07:41 > 0:07:44It's just a mistake. Grab your bag, grab your stuff, grab your stuff.
0:07:44 > 0:07:45Get your coat. Come on.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48Tell us what you did this morning, Yvonne.
0:07:48 > 0:07:51Erm, I took some clothes to the recycling depot.
0:07:51 > 0:07:52Alone?
0:07:52 > 0:07:53Yes.
0:07:53 > 0:07:55Then what?
0:07:55 > 0:07:56Um... Then I went for a drive.
0:07:58 > 0:08:00You just fancied a drive?
0:08:00 > 0:08:03That's right. Af...after I'd done the recycling.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07Where?
0:08:08 > 0:08:11Just around. I...I don't remember.
0:08:11 > 0:08:15Around? I see. Was anyone in the car with you?
0:08:16 > 0:08:17No.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21You do know we've arrested Mark Costley?
0:08:25 > 0:08:28Were you there when Mark Costley beat and kicked George Selway
0:08:28 > 0:08:29to death, Yvonne?
0:08:34 > 0:08:36No... No.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38It's very easy for us to check all this out, you know.
0:08:38 > 0:08:40Who was in the car with you, where you were...
0:08:40 > 0:08:43that's even before we've had a proper chat with Costley.
0:08:43 > 0:08:46God knows what he'll have to say for himself, eh?
0:08:51 > 0:08:55So, are you telling me that's not you...in your car?
0:09:11 > 0:09:13What's your relationship to Mark Costley, Yvonne?
0:09:13 > 0:09:14He's a friend.
0:09:14 > 0:09:15What kind of friend?
0:09:15 > 0:09:17Just a friend. I... I haven't known him very long.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19Well, would you describe him as a good friend?
0:09:19 > 0:09:21He's become quite a good friend, yes.
0:09:21 > 0:09:22A lover?
0:09:22 > 0:09:23No.
0:09:23 > 0:09:27I... I met him when I was working at the House of Commons.
0:09:27 > 0:09:31Um... He asked my advice about a niece of his,
0:09:31 > 0:09:33who was considering a career in science.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36So why was he in your car, going to George Selway's house?
0:09:41 > 0:09:47Since Mark worked in security, I asked him for advice.
0:09:50 > 0:09:52He agreed to help me out.
0:09:52 > 0:09:54To warn George Selway off.
0:09:54 > 0:09:56Why would you want him to do that?
0:10:07 > 0:10:09George Selway attacked me.
0:10:25 > 0:10:30So, you and Mark Costley were an item. You were sleeping together.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32No, I've told you.
0:10:32 > 0:10:34You were having an affair and he went nuts when
0:10:34 > 0:10:37he found out about you and George, isn't that right?
0:10:38 > 0:10:40There was no "me and George".
0:10:40 > 0:10:45I told you, George Selway attacked me and then he started stalking me.
0:10:45 > 0:10:49I went to Mark Costley because of his background in security
0:10:49 > 0:10:51and asked for his advice.
0:10:51 > 0:10:53That's not what he told us.
0:11:02 > 0:11:04Just stick to the story.
0:11:04 > 0:11:05Trust me.
0:11:08 > 0:11:10We weren't sleeping together.
0:11:10 > 0:11:12And if he'd told you we were,
0:11:12 > 0:11:14I think you'd be confronting me with details.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24'Just for that moment I doubted you...
0:11:24 > 0:11:29'Just for that split second. Forgive me, my love.'
0:11:32 > 0:11:37Jaspreet Dhillon - Dhillon, Johnson & Waterford. You can call me Jas.
0:11:38 > 0:11:44I can tell you, your husband is an extremely persistent man.
0:11:44 > 0:11:46Gary contacted you?
0:11:46 > 0:11:51Yeah, and not just the once, either. Now - good news.
0:11:51 > 0:11:52We've started your bail application.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54How long's that going to take?
0:11:54 > 0:11:56That's the less good news.
0:11:56 > 0:11:59Magistrate's hearing first, probably a couple of nights in Holloway,
0:11:59 > 0:12:00then bail hearing proper...
0:12:00 > 0:12:03- Holloway?- It really should just be for a night or two.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06I'm fairly confident the bail hearing will go our way.
0:12:07 > 0:12:09We'll get you home if we possibly can.
0:12:09 > 0:12:11Oh, thank God.
0:12:11 > 0:12:12Sorry.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16Would you like some water?
0:12:28 > 0:12:30They keep talking about murder, but I...
0:12:30 > 0:12:32I wasn't even in the house.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34Surely forensics will tell them that.
0:12:34 > 0:12:35It doesn't matter, Yvonne.
0:12:35 > 0:12:36The prosecution will argue
0:12:36 > 0:12:39that you and Costley cooked up the idea to kill Selway together.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45That you drove the car. The getaway car, effectively.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47That is not what happened! I didn't even know he was dead.
0:12:47 > 0:12:48I swear I didn't.
0:12:50 > 0:12:54The worst I thought was...Mark might have knocked him about a bit.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59Well, we'll establish all that when your case comes to court.
0:12:59 > 0:13:01For the moment, let's focus on bail, yeah?
0:13:06 > 0:13:09I'm just about persuaded to give bail in the particular
0:13:09 > 0:13:13circumstances of this case, despite the seriousness of the charge,
0:13:13 > 0:13:16due to the defendant's previous excellent character
0:13:16 > 0:13:17and everything else that's been said.
0:13:17 > 0:13:20You're to reside at your normal address
0:13:20 > 0:13:22and you must surrender your passport
0:13:22 > 0:13:26and pay into court a security in the sum of £100,000.
0:13:26 > 0:13:28I understand it's all in hand, my lady.
0:13:28 > 0:13:31You're to report to your local police station on Mondays,
0:13:31 > 0:13:34Wednesdays and Saturdays between 10am and 2pm.
0:13:34 > 0:13:39You will also abide by a curfew between the hours of 8pm and 8am.
0:13:39 > 0:13:43Above all, Dr Carmichael, you are not to contact,
0:13:43 > 0:13:45directly or indirectly,
0:13:45 > 0:13:49Mark Liam Costley or any of the prosecution witnesses.
0:13:49 > 0:13:51Is that clear?
0:13:51 > 0:13:53Yes, my lady. Thank you.
0:14:24 > 0:14:26How on earth did you get hold of 100 grand?
0:14:28 > 0:14:29Cashed in those bonds.
0:14:31 > 0:14:34And Ray and Tina have come up trumps, actually.
0:14:34 > 0:14:36Oh, God, you didn't ask them, did you?
0:14:36 > 0:14:40Well, what else could I do? It's all right.
0:14:40 > 0:14:43We're re-mortgaging, and...Ray and Tina just stepped in to cover
0:14:43 > 0:14:46it while the paperwork's done.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48They were happy to help, Von.
0:14:50 > 0:14:51People have been amazing.
0:14:56 > 0:14:57Adam?
0:15:00 > 0:15:05He's been a bit knocked for six... But fine.
0:15:06 > 0:15:08I've talked to him quite a lot.
0:15:11 > 0:15:13What about Carrie?
0:15:34 > 0:15:36Hey...
0:15:48 > 0:15:50This is lovely. Thank you.
0:16:00 > 0:16:02- It's delicious.- Mm.
0:16:13 > 0:16:17Why didn't you go to the police about the rape?
0:16:17 > 0:16:18Carrie, love...
0:16:18 > 0:16:20Maybe your mum's not ready to talk about that
0:16:20 > 0:16:22right at the moment, darling.
0:16:22 > 0:16:25I haven't had a chance to talk to Dad about it properly yet.
0:16:32 > 0:16:34I had my reasons.
0:16:35 > 0:16:39But, um... I mean, didn't you feel a responsibility to the other
0:16:39 > 0:16:42women this man was working with, to come forward
0:16:42 > 0:16:43if he was a threat to them?
0:16:45 > 0:16:47And this other man, what's his name?
0:16:47 > 0:16:50- Mark Costley.- Just roping in some random weirdo, what was that about?
0:16:50 > 0:16:51He's not a weirdo.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53But you didn't even know him properly, what were you thinking?
0:16:53 > 0:16:55I don't know! I don't know.
0:17:00 > 0:17:05Carrie...I wasn't thinking about my responsibilities.
0:17:06 > 0:17:09I could barely put one foot in front of the other.
0:17:11 > 0:17:15And sometimes women aren't served brilliantly by the legal system,
0:17:15 > 0:17:19whatever they say about new approaches and the caring
0:17:19 > 0:17:21face of the force.
0:17:25 > 0:17:27I just couldn't face it.
0:17:31 > 0:17:33I didn't have the courage.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38I'm just trying to understand.
0:17:43 > 0:17:45I'm going to go and have a bath.
0:18:05 > 0:18:07Fred. Fred. Everything will be all right.
0:18:07 > 0:18:10For God's sake, Dad, I'm not ten years old any more.
0:18:17 > 0:18:18What if it isn't?
0:18:34 > 0:18:39I just don't get why you went to him - Costley.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45I knew that if I told you what had happened...
0:18:46 > 0:18:48..you'd want me to go to the police.
0:18:53 > 0:18:55When did it happen?
0:18:58 > 0:19:03It was that party at Central. Jonathan's leaving do.
0:19:03 > 0:19:05He was a senior researcher there.
0:19:06 > 0:19:11We did external exams and panels together.
0:19:13 > 0:19:15You've probably heard me mention him.
0:19:17 > 0:19:18Oh, Jesus...
0:19:21 > 0:19:26Von... I mean, the police, I understand what you
0:19:26 > 0:19:32were saying to Carrie, but surely we could have spoken about it.
0:19:36 > 0:19:42At first, I didn't want the rest of my life to be contaminated
0:19:42 > 0:19:43by what he did.
0:19:47 > 0:19:49As long as I didn't bring it into the house then I could
0:19:49 > 0:19:51pretend it never happened.
0:19:53 > 0:19:54And then I took advice.
0:19:57 > 0:19:59From Costley.
0:19:59 > 0:20:04No, from a police officer that he put me in touch with...
0:20:07 > 0:20:09They see it all the time.
0:20:10 > 0:20:14Women like me who don't want to have their lives dragged through
0:20:14 > 0:20:15the courts.
0:20:15 > 0:20:18Yeah, thank God we're not going to be dragged through the courts(!)
0:20:18 > 0:20:20Thank God you spared us from that.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24I'm sorry.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28It's all gone so wrong.
0:20:34 > 0:20:38Oh, my God, he's dead! He's actually dead!
0:20:41 > 0:20:43Sh, sh...
0:20:47 > 0:20:50It's not your fault. None of this is your fault.
0:20:50 > 0:20:52OK?
0:20:52 > 0:20:55That's not true, Gary.
0:20:55 > 0:20:56It isn't.
0:20:58 > 0:21:03You weren't even there when it happened. Were you?
0:21:03 > 0:21:06No. No.
0:21:10 > 0:21:16George Selway raped you. It all goes from there.
0:21:19 > 0:21:21And we are going to do everything...
0:21:23 > 0:21:25..everything we can, OK?
0:21:53 > 0:21:55Apparently lolly sticks are good.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58For scratching.
0:22:00 > 0:22:02Stylish...
0:22:10 > 0:22:13We've had word from Mark Costley's team about his plea.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16Looks like he's going for diminished responsibility.
0:22:18 > 0:22:20He's saying he's not guilty of murder.
0:22:20 > 0:22:23Well, good, because he isn't. He couldn't be.
0:22:23 > 0:22:26Do you know that?
0:22:26 > 0:22:29Well, it makes no sense. Why not self-defence?
0:22:29 > 0:22:31Yvonne, I have to say, Mark Costley's defence is
0:22:31 > 0:22:33a matter for him and his solicitors.
0:22:33 > 0:22:35My job is to defend you
0:22:35 > 0:22:37But, if we're being charged together...
0:22:37 > 0:22:40Costley's effectively pleading guilty to manslaughter by
0:22:40 > 0:22:43going for diminished responsibility as his defence.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46So we'll both be charged with Selway's manslaughter?
0:22:46 > 0:22:50No. If they accept Costley's plea, and that's by no means guaranteed,
0:22:50 > 0:22:53they still can come after you for murder
0:22:53 > 0:22:55because your defences are entirely separate.
0:22:55 > 0:22:59But it's not all doom and gloom... At the very least, if they
0:22:59 > 0:23:02accept diminished responsibility, it makes our lives easier.
0:23:02 > 0:23:03You're saying you had
0:23:03 > 0:23:06no idea Costley was going to kill George Selway and Costley is
0:23:06 > 0:23:10admitting that he acted on a reckless impulse of his own.
0:23:27 > 0:23:29'You...
0:23:32 > 0:23:35'you are my knight in shining armour.
0:23:37 > 0:23:43'You've admitted you acted alone. Keeping me safe.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45'Again.'
0:24:10 > 0:24:12DOOR OPENS DOWNSTAIRS
0:24:12 > 0:24:13Hey, Dad...
0:24:13 > 0:24:16Hey, hello, love! How are you?
0:24:16 > 0:24:17Good... You?
0:24:17 > 0:24:19Carrie's here, love!
0:24:22 > 0:24:26Sathnam's going to go part-time after the baby's born.
0:24:26 > 0:24:28It's his baby, too.
0:24:28 > 0:24:32Of course it is! That's great. No, that's great.
0:24:34 > 0:24:36I'm a bit jealous, actually.
0:24:38 > 0:24:42Well, your dad did a lot for the two of you when you were babies
0:24:42 > 0:24:46but it was always basically assumed that you were my territory.
0:24:47 > 0:24:50Well, didn't you talk it over before you got pregnant?
0:24:50 > 0:24:53We've never really been good at that. Talking.
0:24:53 > 0:24:55That's not true!
0:24:55 > 0:24:58Sathnam always says he wishes his parents got on half as well
0:24:58 > 0:24:59as you and Dad.
0:24:59 > 0:25:01I'm not saying we don't get on.
0:25:09 > 0:25:15Oh... I'm so sorry, all of this is such terrible timing for you.
0:25:15 > 0:25:21I mean, no timing would be good, but this is godawful.
0:25:29 > 0:25:31Ajay, Sathnam's brother,
0:25:31 > 0:25:34he has this friend from uni, trained as a barrister...
0:25:34 > 0:25:35We've got a barrister.
0:25:35 > 0:25:37Well, he does consultancy now.
0:25:37 > 0:25:41Sort of PR...helping people to make a good impression in court.
0:25:41 > 0:25:43Dad asked me to get his number.
0:25:46 > 0:25:48The two of you have discussed it?
0:25:50 > 0:25:53You really think that I need help, making a good impression?
0:25:53 > 0:25:57Well, don't you? Er, shall I send it to you, or Dad?
0:25:57 > 0:26:00The thing to remember is, I'm innocent.
0:26:01 > 0:26:05Of course you are. I know you are, of course you are.
0:26:05 > 0:26:07I'm just...sending it to Dad, OK?
0:26:20 > 0:26:22CAR HORN
0:26:24 > 0:26:27- He seems quite young!- Yeah?
0:26:27 > 0:26:28Well, he would be.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32PHONE ALERT
0:26:42 > 0:26:45Just remember, love, he's costing a fortune.
0:26:45 > 0:26:49Don't get all competitive with him. Von?
0:26:49 > 0:26:51DOORBELL RINGS
0:26:53 > 0:26:55Er...competitive?
0:26:55 > 0:26:56Let him do his job.
0:26:56 > 0:27:00Let him help you, that's what he's here for.
0:27:00 > 0:27:01Yeah.
0:27:05 > 0:27:07- Hi. Laurence?- Yeah.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10Hi, I'm Gary, I'm Yvonne's husband.
0:27:12 > 0:27:16So, Yvonne - are you guilty?
0:27:17 > 0:27:19No, Laurence, I am not.
0:27:22 > 0:27:26Cool! That's what we want to see in court.
0:27:26 > 0:27:30Firm, but polite, no hint of doubt.
0:27:30 > 0:27:32First impressions are incredibly important.
0:27:32 > 0:27:34Aren't they just?
0:27:34 > 0:27:37So, on that subject, is there anything Yvonne should be
0:27:37 > 0:27:40thinking of, in court?
0:27:40 > 0:27:44The jury, always. Little tip.
0:27:44 > 0:27:47When you're in the witness box, point your feet towards the jury.
0:27:47 > 0:27:50Then you'll automatically address your answers towards them.
0:27:50 > 0:27:52It's all about making a connection.
0:27:53 > 0:27:55You might want to jot this down.
0:27:55 > 0:27:58Anything, erm, in particular she should be wearing?
0:27:58 > 0:28:02Well, we want the jury to see your feminine side.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05Oh, Jesus. Ribbons? Lace?
0:28:06 > 0:28:10Perhaps a blouse with a bit of embellishment.
0:28:10 > 0:28:12Nothing too low-cut, obviously,
0:28:12 > 0:28:16something that's appropriate to your, er, age.
0:28:16 > 0:28:17Under a suit.
0:28:17 > 0:28:21But not too flash or designer - we don't want people thinking
0:28:21 > 0:28:22you need taking down a peg or two.
0:28:22 > 0:28:26People only judge you 30% on what you say -
0:28:26 > 0:28:2870% is how you look.
0:28:29 > 0:28:32None of this is me, you understand.
0:28:32 > 0:28:36The women, particularly, can be very hard on other women.
0:28:36 > 0:28:39Talking of... I...I don't know if the prosecuting counsel will be
0:28:39 > 0:28:40a man or a woman.
0:28:40 > 0:28:43But if it is a woman, the jury will be more likely to think
0:28:43 > 0:28:46you're guilty during cross-examination about the rape.
0:28:46 > 0:28:49Ah, you know - "This nice lady barrister wouldn't be taking this on
0:28:49 > 0:28:52"if she really thought this man had done something terrible."
0:28:52 > 0:28:55I also imagine this strategy won't have escaped
0:28:55 > 0:28:59Mr...Costley's defence team.
0:28:59 > 0:29:01He may well have a female silk.
0:29:01 > 0:29:04You do know how violent the rape was?
0:29:04 > 0:29:08Yes, I've got the...details.
0:29:10 > 0:29:14I'm sure your solicitor has been through this with you, Yvonne,
0:29:14 > 0:29:17but, er...legally speaking, I'm afraid it does make
0:29:17 > 0:29:18your case rather worse.
0:29:20 > 0:29:22An attack of this severity gives you such
0:29:22 > 0:29:24a strong reason for killing Selway.
0:29:24 > 0:29:29So, basically everything that should be in Yvonne's favour is
0:29:29 > 0:29:32going to go against her...
0:29:32 > 0:29:33Exactly.
0:29:37 > 0:29:39Of course, one thing the rape
0:29:39 > 0:29:43doesn't explain is why Mark Costley killed Selway.
0:29:46 > 0:29:49Why did your co-defendant act as he did?
0:29:49 > 0:29:53He was warning off George Selway as a favour to me.
0:29:54 > 0:29:56He has a background in security.
0:29:57 > 0:30:00And it must have gone wrong in some terrible, terrible, way.
0:30:02 > 0:30:06Quite a favour. You hadn't known each other that long, had you?
0:30:08 > 0:30:10A few months.
0:30:10 > 0:30:11Mmm.
0:30:12 > 0:30:15The prosecution could try to claim
0:30:15 > 0:30:17you were lying about the whole thing,
0:30:17 > 0:30:20that you and Selway had consensual sex and you were
0:30:20 > 0:30:23spinning Costley a yarn to get him into trouble.
0:30:23 > 0:30:27Why the hell would Yvonne do that unless she was a lunatic?
0:30:27 > 0:30:28Ah, who knows?
0:30:28 > 0:30:31You were annoyed with Selway because he didn't call you afterwards,
0:30:31 > 0:30:33de-da, de-da, the usual.
0:30:33 > 0:30:34The usual?
0:30:34 > 0:30:36I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
0:30:36 > 0:30:38Why didn't you report the rape in the first case,
0:30:38 > 0:30:41if there was evidence? It's a big problem.
0:30:41 > 0:30:44And if there wasn't evidence, does that mean you didn't fight back?
0:30:44 > 0:30:45Why not?
0:30:47 > 0:30:48We see it the whole time.
0:30:48 > 0:30:51You ladies do make our job rather difficult.
0:30:51 > 0:30:52HE GASPS
0:30:52 > 0:30:53What are you thinking, Laurence?
0:30:53 > 0:30:56Shall I tell you what's going on in your head, biologically?
0:30:56 > 0:30:59There's a part of your brain, the amygdala,
0:30:59 > 0:31:01it's telling you to do whatever you need to do to survive.
0:31:01 > 0:31:04It's like a siren - "Survive! Survive!"
0:31:04 > 0:31:07So loud, in fact, it's drowning out your cerebral cortex,
0:31:07 > 0:31:08your logical brain.
0:31:09 > 0:31:12Your cortex knows I'm not going to cut your throat.
0:31:12 > 0:31:14Why would I do that?
0:31:14 > 0:31:16My family's in enough trouble as it is.
0:31:16 > 0:31:18But the amygdala, it's pure instinct.
0:31:19 > 0:31:22It feels the damage this can do.
0:31:22 > 0:31:24It's no bigger than a peanut...
0:31:25 > 0:31:30Yet taken by surprise, afraid for your life...
0:31:32 > 0:31:38..we're programmed to do whatever will ensure our survival.
0:31:38 > 0:31:40And sometimes...
0:31:41 > 0:31:43..that's nothing.
0:31:51 > 0:31:53I think you've made your point.
0:32:20 > 0:32:21Gary.
0:32:29 > 0:32:31Sorry...
0:32:31 > 0:32:33It's going to be OK.
0:32:33 > 0:32:38It's all going be OK... I'm sorry.
0:32:41 > 0:32:43I'm sorry.
0:33:37 > 0:33:39Oh!
0:33:39 > 0:33:40God, my ankle!
0:33:40 > 0:33:43I'm so sorry. It was the tag. You OK?
0:33:43 > 0:33:44Of course...
0:33:48 > 0:33:51THEY LAUGH
0:33:58 > 0:34:00You OK?
0:34:18 > 0:34:20I want you to promise me something.
0:34:24 > 0:34:26Aye-aye...
0:34:31 > 0:34:35If at any point during the trial, I don't want you to be there,
0:34:35 > 0:34:38I want you to promise that you'll stay away.
0:34:42 > 0:34:44But you know I want to be there for the whole thing.
0:34:44 > 0:34:47Please.
0:34:47 > 0:34:50And from what Jas has said - and that little shitheel -
0:34:50 > 0:34:52about making the right impression,
0:34:52 > 0:34:56it's really important that I'm seen to be standing by your side.
0:34:56 > 0:34:57I know.
0:34:57 > 0:35:00But I don't think I could bear it,
0:35:00 > 0:35:03if I have to talk about what George Selway did.
0:35:07 > 0:35:09Please.
0:35:11 > 0:35:13OK.
0:35:22 > 0:35:24'Would you have seen it as a betrayal,
0:35:24 > 0:35:26'if Gary and I had made love?
0:35:30 > 0:35:33'Because one thing I do know, you haven't betrayed me.'
0:36:00 > 0:36:03No, Mum was great, cool as a cucumber.
0:36:03 > 0:36:06It was... It was me that lost it...
0:36:06 > 0:36:08Yeah, I know, but you had to be here, Carrie,
0:36:08 > 0:36:10- he was absolutely appalling!- Babe!
0:36:10 > 0:36:13Oh, Suze.
0:36:14 > 0:36:16I'm so sorry.
0:36:16 > 0:36:18I'm so sorry.
0:36:22 > 0:36:24You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.
0:36:24 > 0:36:26Oh, God.
0:36:26 > 0:36:28But if you do...I'm here.
0:36:29 > 0:36:31I wish I'd talked to you.
0:36:31 > 0:36:33I wish I'd talked to you about everything.
0:36:33 > 0:36:39Well, like my mum says - "Still waters run deep."
0:36:39 > 0:36:41She doesn't know the half of it.
0:36:41 > 0:36:43DOORBELL RINGS
0:36:43 > 0:36:45I'll get it.
0:36:46 > 0:36:49Yvonne!
0:36:49 > 0:36:52Yvonne Carmichael, I'm arresting you for breaching the conditions
0:36:52 > 0:36:53- of your bail.- I'll call Jaspreet.
0:36:53 > 0:36:55You might want to get a few things together for her.
0:36:55 > 0:36:57What are you doing?
0:36:57 > 0:36:59Look, there is no need for that. She's not going to run away!
0:36:59 > 0:37:02This is crazy! I haven't done anything! I haven't done anything!
0:37:02 > 0:37:03I'll be right behind you in the car, love.
0:37:03 > 0:37:05Suse, could you give me a hand, please?
0:37:07 > 0:37:10Mark Costley sent you a text from prison and you replied,
0:37:10 > 0:37:11is that right?
0:37:11 > 0:37:14I got a text from a number that I didn't recognise.
0:37:14 > 0:37:17And I just asked who it was.
0:37:17 > 0:37:18And you sent a second text.
0:37:21 > 0:37:25It doesn't matter. The point is, he made contact and you responded.
0:37:25 > 0:37:27Which is breaching the conditions of your bail.
0:37:27 > 0:37:29But he's not even supposed to have a phone in prison, is he?
0:37:29 > 0:37:32Well, clearly he got hold of one. I'm sorry, Yvonne.
0:37:32 > 0:37:35You'll be kept in Holloway on remand.
0:37:44 > 0:37:46At least we're close to the trial date.
0:37:46 > 0:37:50It could be deliberate, on Costley's part. Tit for tat.
0:37:50 > 0:37:52He's in prison, so why not you?
0:37:52 > 0:37:53He's not like that.
0:37:54 > 0:37:56Isn't he?
0:38:07 > 0:38:09He has a niece that's good at science, is that right?
0:38:09 > 0:38:11Yeah.
0:38:11 > 0:38:14My eldest daughter's into science.
0:38:14 > 0:38:16That's always good to hear.
0:38:16 > 0:38:17Yeah.
0:38:18 > 0:38:22Yes, er, she showed me this thing. I'm not sure she should be
0:38:22 > 0:38:24watching it, to be honest with you,
0:38:24 > 0:38:27but, uh...I suppose it's educational.
0:38:28 > 0:38:30You've probably seen it.
0:38:30 > 0:38:33This American who did experiments with monkeys in the 1950s,
0:38:33 > 0:38:36on animal behaviour. Rice, I think he was called...
0:38:36 > 0:38:39It's not really my field, animal behaviour.
0:38:39 > 0:38:41There's a mother, er, with a baby,
0:38:41 > 0:38:46and, uh...there's a heating element on the floor of the monkey cage.
0:38:47 > 0:38:51It's pretty horrible, actually. No Wi-Fi.
0:38:58 > 0:39:01I think it's supposed to be an experiment in altruism.
0:39:01 > 0:39:04They keep increasing the temperature of the cage floor.
0:39:04 > 0:39:07The worst thing is, in the end, when its feet are burning...
0:39:07 > 0:39:09I suppose it's in so much pain.
0:39:11 > 0:39:14The monkey, it just drops its baby and stands on it.
0:39:14 > 0:39:16Jesus.
0:39:20 > 0:39:22Still, it's interesting, though.
0:39:22 > 0:39:26The tipping point...and self-preservation.
0:39:28 > 0:39:31You think Mark Costley's reached his tipping point?
0:39:32 > 0:39:35It's worth bearing in mind.
0:39:41 > 0:39:45The text Mark Costley sent you... What did it mean, anyway?
0:39:46 > 0:39:48The Wedekind experiment?
0:39:48 > 0:39:51Oh, um, well, it was just an experiment that I was
0:39:51 > 0:39:53involved in, early on in my career and...
0:39:55 > 0:39:58I... I must have told him about it when we were t...
0:39:58 > 0:40:02talking about his niece. The one who's interested in science.
0:40:04 > 0:40:05Like your daughter.
0:40:19 > 0:40:23You were definitely the first person...
0:40:24 > 0:40:28..to qualify the Wedekind experiment.
0:40:29 > 0:40:30Yeah!
0:40:39 > 0:40:42'No tipping point. For either of us.
0:40:44 > 0:40:48'You wanted to let me know that you're keeping the faith.
0:40:48 > 0:40:49'How can I blame you for that?'
0:41:24 > 0:41:26BUZZER
0:41:35 > 0:41:38So, the order of the prosecution witnesses...
0:41:40 > 0:41:42Feeling OK, Yvonne?
0:41:42 > 0:41:46I'm relieved we're starting, but I'm dreading it.
0:41:46 > 0:41:47Of course.
0:41:48 > 0:41:51You won't be called for a very long time, Dr Carmichael.
0:41:51 > 0:41:53I'm not sure if that makes it worse...
0:41:53 > 0:41:56But do bear in mind the jury will be able to see you throughout.
0:41:56 > 0:41:58Just try to stay composed if you can.
0:42:02 > 0:42:04What are "special measures"?
0:42:04 > 0:42:07Yes, that's the witness that needs to retain anonymity.
0:42:07 > 0:42:08The MI5 man, yes?
0:42:08 > 0:42:10Yeah.
0:42:10 > 0:42:11Exciting times.
0:42:12 > 0:42:14So, Yvonne, anything else to tell Robert?
0:42:14 > 0:42:16Or anything else you need to know?
0:42:16 > 0:42:20Um... No... I think that covers it. Thank you.
0:42:22 > 0:42:23Good luck.
0:42:23 > 0:42:26Luck has nothing to do with it.
0:42:26 > 0:42:27DOOR BUZZES
0:44:15 > 0:44:19All persons having anything to do at the Central Criminal Court
0:44:19 > 0:44:21draw near and give your attendance.
0:44:34 > 0:44:37I don't seem to have a batting order.
0:45:13 > 0:45:17You fucking bitch! You deserve everything you get!
0:45:18 > 0:45:20You bitch, you evil bitch!
0:45:20 > 0:45:23- Look at what you're doing to all of us...- Calm down.
0:45:23 > 0:45:26- Please...- I have two children at home who have broken their hearts
0:45:26 > 0:45:30because their father is there,
0:45:30 > 0:45:33that you have brought into your mess...
0:45:44 > 0:45:47My lord... Ladies and gentlemen.
0:45:48 > 0:45:51You will hear two defences being offered in this court.
0:45:51 > 0:45:55You will hear medical evidence concerning the claim of the
0:45:55 > 0:45:57first defendant, Mark Liam Costley,
0:45:57 > 0:46:01that he should be found not guilty of murder on grounds of
0:46:01 > 0:46:05diminished responsibility, that he is not responsible for
0:46:05 > 0:46:09killing George Selway because he has a personality disorder.
0:46:09 > 0:46:13His defence will argue that he is mentally unstable.
0:46:13 > 0:46:16You will also hear evidence from the second defendant,
0:46:16 > 0:46:21Yvonne Carmichael, that she is entirely innocent,
0:46:21 > 0:46:24that she knew nothing of Mr Costley's intentions when she
0:46:24 > 0:46:28drove him to the doorstep of a man who had viciously assaulted her.
0:46:30 > 0:46:34When questioned by the police, this eminent scientist claimed
0:46:34 > 0:46:39that she had no idea what might be going on when she sat waiting in her
0:46:39 > 0:46:44car outside that property, waiting,
0:46:44 > 0:46:47and waiting...and waiting.
0:46:49 > 0:46:52The police were told that she had no thought whatsoever something
0:46:52 > 0:46:57might be amiss when Mr Costley took so long to return, having changed
0:46:57 > 0:47:02some of his clothing but having neglected to change his shoes,
0:47:02 > 0:47:08the shoes that transferred blood to the mat in the footwell of her car.
0:47:09 > 0:47:15The prosecution's case is that this is all nonsense. Mark Liam Costley
0:47:15 > 0:47:19and Yvonne Carmichael planned and connived, quite coldly and in
0:47:19 > 0:47:23advance, that one would do the deed and the other drive the getaway car.
0:47:23 > 0:47:28Each encouraged and facilitated the other's behaviour. And each,
0:47:28 > 0:47:30therefore, is as guilty as the other,
0:47:30 > 0:47:34of the murder of George Simon Selway.
0:47:39 > 0:47:42It might be an idea to get something down, if you can, Dr Carmichael.
0:47:42 > 0:47:45After lunch we're in for the long haul.
0:47:45 > 0:47:46Ladies and gentlemen,
0:47:46 > 0:47:49may I invite you to turn to the first page of the jury bundle?
0:47:49 > 0:47:53'Maps, photographs, forensic diagrams,
0:47:53 > 0:47:55'it's nothing to worry about.
0:47:55 > 0:47:57'Smoke and mirrors.'
0:47:58 > 0:48:01The prosecution just want to hammer it home, essentially.
0:48:01 > 0:48:03Guilty, guilty, guilty.
0:48:03 > 0:48:06The woman you saw sitting in the car outside George Selway's flat.
0:48:06 > 0:48:09Can you point her out to the court, please?
0:48:12 > 0:48:14'I'm afraid Miss Bonnard, Mr Costley's barrister,
0:48:14 > 0:48:16'might pile on the agony a bit as well.
0:48:16 > 0:48:20'Brand-new silk. They always want to cross-examine every single witness.'
0:48:20 > 0:48:22Isn't that what you'll be doing?
0:48:22 > 0:48:24No.
0:48:24 > 0:48:26I have no questions for the witness, my lord.
0:48:28 > 0:48:30No cross-exam from us.
0:48:30 > 0:48:32An innocent woman doesn't need to get bogged down
0:48:32 > 0:48:34in the sordid details.
0:48:35 > 0:48:36That's our message.
0:48:39 > 0:48:42Can you clarify, Dr Weatherfield, what kind of force would have
0:48:42 > 0:48:47been needed to cause this level of injury to the victim's neck area?
0:48:47 > 0:48:51It would have to be a blunt trauma injury of some force,
0:48:51 > 0:48:54consistent with stamping while the victim was face up on the floor.
0:48:54 > 0:48:58And how can you tell that this force would have been considerable?
0:48:58 > 0:48:59The bruising.
0:48:59 > 0:49:04You can see the clear imprint of the attacker's trainer on the torso.
0:49:04 > 0:49:07And the victim's voice box was shattered.
0:49:07 > 0:49:11In order to sustain that level of injury, I would say that the
0:49:11 > 0:49:15person applying the force would perhaps have been jumping
0:49:15 > 0:49:17while he or she stamped on him.
0:49:17 > 0:49:20What was the extent of the injury to the nose?
0:49:20 > 0:49:24The nose was almost certainly broken by a blow before the victim
0:49:24 > 0:49:28was on the ground, perhaps as a way of initiating the attack.
0:49:29 > 0:49:32There was considerable blood from the nose on the victim's clothes.
0:49:32 > 0:49:35Once he was on his back, that wouldn't have flowed
0:49:35 > 0:49:38vertically down his clothes.
0:49:39 > 0:49:41Thank you. No further questions, my lord.
0:49:43 > 0:49:45Can we be clear on this, Dr Weatherfield?
0:49:45 > 0:49:49Could the dilution of blood on the victim's clothes have been
0:49:49 > 0:49:51caused by him emptying his bladder?
0:49:51 > 0:49:55Rather than any purposeful dilution of the blood by Mr Costley in
0:49:55 > 0:49:57an attempt at clearing up after death?
0:49:57 > 0:49:59Well...it could.
0:49:59 > 0:50:03It's correct there were no tests done on the diluting component.
0:50:03 > 0:50:05So it could have been urine?
0:50:05 > 0:50:07It could have been...
0:50:07 > 0:50:11Thank you. No further questions on behalf of Mr Costley.
0:50:13 > 0:50:16My lord, I have no questions for this witness.
0:50:25 > 0:50:29'How did it go so far? Did he provoke you?
0:50:31 > 0:50:34'Is this what you've been trained to do?'
0:50:45 > 0:50:47It's not looking good for him, is it?
0:50:50 > 0:50:52He looks different to how I imagined.
0:51:03 > 0:51:07Do you know this, erm, experiment.
0:51:07 > 0:51:08Rice.
0:51:08 > 0:51:12Um, animal behaviourist, 1950s, I think.
0:51:12 > 0:51:13Rice?
0:51:13 > 0:51:14Yeah.
0:51:14 > 0:51:18Erm, is that the one with the monkeys?
0:51:18 > 0:51:20Mm.
0:51:20 > 0:51:21What's that got to do with anything?
0:51:21 > 0:51:25It's just been in my head and I don't really get to talk to anybody
0:51:25 > 0:51:29in here, or...not in court for that matter, either.
0:51:29 > 0:51:31Have you seen the footage?
0:51:31 > 0:51:32Erm...
0:51:32 > 0:51:36I'm not sure. Erm... maybe years ago.
0:51:36 > 0:51:38It's the one with the heated cage, right?
0:51:38 > 0:51:39Mm.
0:51:40 > 0:51:42Um, yeah, it's extraordinary.
0:51:42 > 0:51:43Really? That's not the word I'd use.
0:51:43 > 0:51:45Well, I mean the experiment's horrific.
0:51:45 > 0:51:47They wouldn't get away with it these days.
0:51:47 > 0:51:51But the...the outcome's pretty amazing. The power of maternal love.
0:51:51 > 0:51:52You're kidding!
0:51:52 > 0:51:55I... I thought the whole point was the monkey drops the baby.
0:51:55 > 0:51:59No, she saves the baby. I remember reading about it.
0:51:59 > 0:52:02She holds the baby in the air and lets her feet burn.
0:52:04 > 0:52:06If it's the same experiment.
0:52:23 > 0:52:25'I wish I could make you feel safe.'
0:52:29 > 0:52:33'I do. I feel safe here with you.
0:52:38 > 0:52:43'I know you. You're not a monster...
0:52:46 > 0:52:50'..and once everyone else knows what you are, they'll understand.'
0:52:53 > 0:52:56Members of the jury, this witness is to give evidence behind a screen.
0:52:56 > 0:52:59You'll be able to see the witness,
0:52:59 > 0:53:02however, the defendants and the gallery will not.
0:53:02 > 0:53:06Thank you for your patience while we make the necessary adjustments.
0:53:07 > 0:53:11Witness A, can you please tell us what your job is?
0:53:11 > 0:53:14My title is Chief Training Operative, MI5.
0:53:14 > 0:53:18And can you explain for us what a Chief Training Operative is or does?
0:53:18 > 0:53:19There are various roles,
0:53:19 > 0:53:22but my particular responsibility is to oversee the testing we put
0:53:22 > 0:53:26operatives through, both physical and psychological.
0:53:26 > 0:53:28As part of the selection process for MI5.
0:53:28 > 0:53:31And...how do you go about finding out whether or not
0:53:31 > 0:53:34a given person is suitable for a career in M15?
0:53:34 > 0:53:37I understand that the precise methods are confidential but if you
0:53:37 > 0:53:40could, please give the court a general idea.
0:53:40 > 0:53:43Well, we begin with, erm, psychological questionnaires,
0:53:43 > 0:53:45interviews and so on.
0:53:45 > 0:53:46Physical tests?
0:53:46 > 0:53:48Well, yes, of course.
0:53:48 > 0:53:50Then candidates who make the first cut move to
0:53:50 > 0:53:52a more extended period of training.
0:53:52 > 0:53:56Witness A, do you know the defendant, Mark Costley?
0:53:56 > 0:53:59Yes, I met Mr Costley in the autumn of 2008,
0:53:59 > 0:54:01when he applied to join the security services.
0:54:01 > 0:54:03He made the "first cut", as you would say?
0:54:03 > 0:54:06Yes. I was responsible for assessing his application.
0:54:06 > 0:54:09Not exclusively, but I was the supervising officer.
0:54:09 > 0:54:12Could you tell us a little more about the training Mr Costley
0:54:12 > 0:54:15underwent, so far as you are permitted to say?
0:54:15 > 0:54:18Well, candidates attend seminars, lectures, and they also
0:54:18 > 0:54:21undergo a period of more what you might call interactive training.
0:54:21 > 0:54:23Does this include combat training?
0:54:23 > 0:54:25There's a basic level of combat training.
0:54:25 > 0:54:28Of course, Mr Costley had spent some years in the police force,
0:54:28 > 0:54:30so he was already familiar with some of the principles.
0:54:30 > 0:54:31Indeed.
0:54:31 > 0:54:35Would this level of training give an individual an advantage over
0:54:35 > 0:54:39what you might call an average citizen, in a fight?
0:54:39 > 0:54:42Well, that's rather what it's designed to do, yes.
0:54:42 > 0:54:46To be clear, does combat training, as opposed to what Mr Costley
0:54:46 > 0:54:50would had been taught as part of his police officer safety training,
0:54:50 > 0:54:53include a technique for breaking an assailant's nose
0:54:53 > 0:54:55with the palm of one's hand?
0:54:55 > 0:54:58That's one of the techniques disseminated, yes.
0:54:58 > 0:55:02And in assessing Mark Costley, did you find him suitable to the
0:55:02 > 0:55:04physical requirements of an MI5 officer?
0:55:04 > 0:55:06Yes, we did.
0:55:06 > 0:55:09During the time you were assessing Mr Costley, did you ever feel
0:55:09 > 0:55:14sufficient concern about his mental stability to raise the issue
0:55:14 > 0:55:18with his line manager in the Metropolitan Police Force?
0:55:18 > 0:55:20His mental stability? I'm sorry,
0:55:20 > 0:55:23I don't quite see where you're heading with this...
0:55:23 > 0:55:25I mean, it really wasn't my...role.
0:55:25 > 0:55:29I'm asking if you were happy enough with Mark Costley's mental state
0:55:29 > 0:55:31to allow him to continue working as a police officer,
0:55:31 > 0:55:35and then to move on into a sensitive position involving the
0:55:35 > 0:55:38security and the safety of our Members of Parliament,
0:55:38 > 0:55:43despite your final decision to reject his application to join MI5?
0:55:53 > 0:55:57Yes, it was purely for me to turn him down as an unsuitable
0:55:57 > 0:55:59candidate for the security services.
0:56:06 > 0:56:08'I wasn't fucking a spook.
0:56:12 > 0:56:13'The spooks didn't want you...
0:56:17 > 0:56:20'All the ways you made yourself mysterious...'
0:56:20 > 0:56:23Facing the wrong way...
0:56:23 > 0:56:24'Risk assessment.'
0:56:24 > 0:56:27'..the phones, the safe house...
0:56:32 > 0:56:35'Why? I believed you.
0:56:37 > 0:56:41'Everything about you. Who are you...really?
0:56:46 > 0:56:47'What have I done?'