0:00:02 > 0:00:04- I wish I could make you feel safe. - Can't you warn him off for me?
0:00:04 > 0:00:06- Drive.- What happened?- Go, go!
0:00:06 > 0:00:09Trust me. Everything's going to be OK.
0:00:09 > 0:00:10I'll see you in Apple Tree Yard.
0:00:13 > 0:00:15Were you there when Mark Costley
0:00:15 > 0:00:18beat and kicked George Selway to death, Yvonne?
0:00:18 > 0:00:20I just don't get why you went to him.
0:00:21 > 0:00:24Costley's effectively pleading guilty to manslaughter.
0:00:24 > 0:00:26If they accept Costley's plea,
0:00:26 > 0:00:28they still can come after you for murder.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31That you have brought into your mess!
0:00:31 > 0:00:34You deserve everything you get!
0:00:34 > 0:00:36The first defendant, Mark Liam Costley,
0:00:36 > 0:00:40claimed that he is not responsible for the killing of George Selway
0:00:40 > 0:00:42because he has a personality disorder.
0:00:42 > 0:00:44What are "special measures"?
0:00:44 > 0:00:47Yes, that's the witness that needs to retain anonymity.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50- The MI5 man, yes?- Yeah.
0:00:50 > 0:00:54I'm asking if you were happy enough with Mark Costley's mental state?
0:00:54 > 0:00:56It was purely for me to turn him down
0:00:56 > 0:00:59as an unsuitable candidate for the security services.
0:01:03 > 0:01:07This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find disturbing.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22YVONNE: Who are you really?
0:01:24 > 0:01:27You may not be a spook, Mark Costley...
0:01:29 > 0:01:31..but one thing's clear...
0:01:33 > 0:01:35- MARK:- You're beautiful.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39..you're in love with secrets.
0:01:41 > 0:01:42Life's mysterious...
0:01:42 > 0:01:46Maybe that's all we shared, you and I...
0:01:47 > 0:01:49Trust me.
0:01:51 > 0:01:52..a secret.
0:01:56 > 0:01:59A secret we have to keep.
0:02:01 > 0:02:05CLOCK TICKS RAPIDLY
0:02:14 > 0:02:19Sergeant Johns, the man we have in the dock here, Mr Costley,
0:02:19 > 0:02:22- do you know him? - Yes, I worked with him
0:02:22 > 0:02:24throughout my time at the Crown Estate.
0:02:24 > 0:02:26- On a daily basis?- That's correct.
0:02:26 > 0:02:29Would you mind describing to the court
0:02:29 > 0:02:32Mark Costley's responsibilities as a security advisor,
0:02:32 > 0:02:34so far as you understand them?
0:02:34 > 0:02:35Certainly.
0:02:35 > 0:02:39It was his job to ensure compliance, health and safety,
0:02:39 > 0:02:41any arrangements for special events,
0:02:41 > 0:02:42checking the duty log,
0:02:42 > 0:02:46supervising shifts for the CCTV monitoring crews,
0:02:46 > 0:02:47that sort of thing.
0:02:47 > 0:02:49And was Mr Costley good at his job?
0:02:49 > 0:02:53Yes, he was, on the whole. He was very reliable.
0:02:53 > 0:02:55Efficient.
0:02:55 > 0:02:59During the time you worked with him, until he was arrested,
0:02:59 > 0:03:02did your colleague display any behaviour
0:03:02 > 0:03:06that led to concerns that he might be unstable psychologically?
0:03:06 > 0:03:09No. He did everything that was required of him.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- He was just...normal.- Normal?
0:03:12 > 0:03:15To talk to, the way he acted.
0:03:15 > 0:03:17Were you aware of any change
0:03:17 > 0:03:20in what you describe as Mark Costley's "normal" behaviour
0:03:20 > 0:03:23in the days before the killing of George Selway
0:03:23 > 0:03:25on March the 12th of this year?
0:03:26 > 0:03:28I can't remember any change at all.
0:03:28 > 0:03:32- He seemed...how he always did. - What about prior to that?
0:03:33 > 0:03:35In November of the previous year,
0:03:35 > 0:03:37when Yvonne Carmichael told him she'd been raped,
0:03:37 > 0:03:39did you observe any change
0:03:39 > 0:03:43- in your colleague Mark Costley's behaviour at that time?- No.
0:03:43 > 0:03:46I don't remember any change whatsoever.
0:03:46 > 0:03:48He was just Mark.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50Sergeant Johns, you've told the court
0:03:50 > 0:03:53that you saw no change in Mark Costley's behaviour
0:03:53 > 0:03:56- in November of last year. Is that correct?- Yes.
0:03:56 > 0:03:59That's not strictly true, is it?
0:04:00 > 0:04:02In respect of Mark Costley's behaviour to you...
0:04:02 > 0:04:05was there a change in November last year?
0:04:06 > 0:04:09Not really. I don't think so.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12Isn't it the case that, during November
0:04:12 > 0:04:15and into December of last year,
0:04:15 > 0:04:17the two of you had had a short-lived relationship,
0:04:17 > 0:04:19which ended acrimoniously?
0:04:19 > 0:04:22- No. That's absolutely untrue. - Which bit?
0:04:22 > 0:04:25That you and Mr Costley were in a relationship, or that it was over?
0:04:25 > 0:04:27It wasn't a relationship.
0:04:28 > 0:04:30I wouldn't describe it like that at all.
0:04:30 > 0:04:33- How would you describe it? - I would say...
0:04:34 > 0:04:36..Mark propositioned me.
0:04:37 > 0:04:39And had he "propositioned" you prior to this?
0:04:39 > 0:04:41No.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45So this marked a change in his behaviour, then, towards you,
0:04:45 > 0:04:47- in November of last year? - Well, I suppose so.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49I thought that you meant his general behav...
0:04:49 > 0:04:51You went for drinks with Mr Costley after work
0:04:51 > 0:04:54on, I believe, three or four occasions.
0:04:54 > 0:04:56Not that many times.
0:04:56 > 0:04:59- Once or twice. - Which was it? Once or twice?
0:04:59 > 0:05:01- Twice, maybe.- Oh, really?
0:05:01 > 0:05:04Well, my information is that it was at least three times.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07And on the last of these occasions, in early December of last year,
0:05:07 > 0:05:10you had intimate contact with Mr Costley
0:05:10 > 0:05:13in a Westminster pub called the Bull And Keg.
0:05:13 > 0:05:16Firstly...the first time we went out was with a group of people.
0:05:16 > 0:05:18So I would say twice.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21Secondly, the contact that you're referring to
0:05:21 > 0:05:24- was initiated by him and I told him to stop.- Immediately?
0:05:28 > 0:05:31Did you ask him to stop immediately, Sergeant Johns?
0:05:36 > 0:05:38Not immediately. No.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40So perhaps you could take us through
0:05:40 > 0:05:42exactly what happened between you in the Bull And Keg.
0:05:44 > 0:05:47We'd had a few drinks and Mark...
0:05:47 > 0:05:50Mr Costley had his hand on my knee.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52It was making me uncomfortable.
0:05:54 > 0:05:56Just having his hand on your knee?
0:05:56 > 0:05:57No.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02I have no wish to embarrass you, Sergeant,
0:06:02 > 0:06:04but can I suggest that you and Mr Costley
0:06:04 > 0:06:07had been drinking together since around 6pm?
0:06:07 > 0:06:10He had his hand on your knee beneath the table.
0:06:10 > 0:06:14At some point, he moved his hand under your skirt,
0:06:14 > 0:06:17down your tights and into your underwear...
0:06:18 > 0:06:21..where he proceeded, I believe the appropriate colloquialism is,
0:06:21 > 0:06:23to finger you.
0:06:23 > 0:06:25My Lord, I fail to see how this is in any way necessary.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28Well, I'm seeking to establish the fitness of the witness
0:06:28 > 0:06:30to assess the defendant's mental state.
0:06:30 > 0:06:31KATE SLAMS THE DOOR
0:06:31 > 0:06:33I'll allow this question.
0:06:33 > 0:06:35But move on swiftly, please, Ms Bonnard.
0:06:35 > 0:06:39Did Mr Costley insert his fingers into your vagina, Sergeant Johns?
0:06:46 > 0:06:48Yes.
0:06:48 > 0:06:50And did you prevent him from doing so, or object in any way?
0:06:52 > 0:06:54Not at the time, no.
0:06:54 > 0:06:56So in other words, you and Mr Costley
0:06:56 > 0:06:58had intimate sexual contact, did you not?
0:06:58 > 0:07:02You know, which in many people's eyes, constitutes a relationship.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10I told him I didn't like it.
0:07:10 > 0:07:12Was this in the pub?
0:07:14 > 0:07:17No. At work, the next day.
0:07:17 > 0:07:19It was embarrassing.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23I told him I wasn't interested and, after that,
0:07:23 > 0:07:26he made it clear that he was giving me the cold shoulder.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29Things got quite hostile on his part, actually.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32He started ignoring me in meetings and so on.
0:07:32 > 0:07:34He made it really difficult.
0:07:34 > 0:07:36So, when you told this court...
0:07:38 > 0:07:41..that Mr Costley was "just Mark'"...
0:07:42 > 0:07:44..in both November of last year, when Yvonne Carmichael
0:07:44 > 0:07:47sought his advice after her rape by George Selway
0:07:47 > 0:07:49and in the days immediately preceding
0:07:49 > 0:07:51the killing of George Selway,
0:07:51 > 0:07:52did his "normal" pattern of behaviour
0:07:52 > 0:07:55include the sexual advances towards you
0:07:55 > 0:07:57and his "difficult" professional behaviour?
0:07:57 > 0:08:01I just meant...the day-to-day. It was nothing I couldn't handle.
0:08:01 > 0:08:03Is being felt up by a colleague in the pub normal,
0:08:03 > 0:08:05- as far as you're concerned, Sergeant Johns?- No!
0:08:05 > 0:08:06Of course it's not!
0:08:08 > 0:08:11No further questions for this witness, my Lord.
0:08:15 > 0:08:16No questions, my Lord.
0:08:18 > 0:08:21Thank you, Sergeant Johns. You may step down.
0:08:23 > 0:08:25YVONNE: Poor Sergeant Johns.
0:08:26 > 0:08:30Two weeks after I told you what George Selway did to me...
0:08:31 > 0:08:33..you were in that pub with her.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36That's how much I mean to you.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40Dr Sanderson, can you tell the jury what you do?
0:08:40 > 0:08:42I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist
0:08:42 > 0:08:45and I've been practising as such for the last 23 years.
0:08:45 > 0:08:50You conducted an assessment of Mark Costley while he was on remand.
0:08:50 > 0:08:52- Is that correct?- That's correct.
0:08:52 > 0:08:54Having examined Mark Costley,
0:08:54 > 0:08:57do you assess him as suffering from a personality disorder?
0:08:57 > 0:08:59- I do not.- Why is that?
0:09:00 > 0:09:04An individual with a personality disorder
0:09:04 > 0:09:08would not possess Mr Costley's solid work record, for one,
0:09:08 > 0:09:11or his complete lack of psychiatric history.
0:09:11 > 0:09:14It's also extremely unlikely
0:09:14 > 0:09:16that a personality-disordered individual
0:09:16 > 0:09:19would hold down a stable marriage,
0:09:19 > 0:09:22let alone a career in the civil service.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24And setting all that aside,
0:09:24 > 0:09:26during my assessment,
0:09:26 > 0:09:30Mr Costley displayed none of the signs or symptoms
0:09:30 > 0:09:32of a personality disorder.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34What are those?
0:09:34 > 0:09:36Emotional instability.
0:09:36 > 0:09:38Lack of individual identity.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41A pattern of run-ins with the law.
0:09:41 > 0:09:43Suicidal behaviours.
0:09:43 > 0:09:45Addictions of various kinds.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47So...
0:09:47 > 0:09:51during your examination, Mr Costley displayed none of these?
0:09:51 > 0:09:52No.
0:09:52 > 0:09:57In my expert opinion, he has difficulty telling the truth.
0:09:57 > 0:10:00But the pursuit of extramarital sex
0:10:00 > 0:10:02and a tendency to embroider the facts
0:10:02 > 0:10:06do not mean that he is mentally unwell.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09Otherwise, half the men in the country would be seeking treatment.
0:10:13 > 0:10:17Coming now to previous offences on file...
0:10:17 > 0:10:18Yes. In 2005,
0:10:18 > 0:10:21Mark Costley pleaded guilty to the charge
0:10:21 > 0:10:23of assault occasioning actual bodily harm.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26Thank you, Detective Inspector Cleveland.
0:10:26 > 0:10:29That concludes the case for the Crown, my Lord.
0:10:35 > 0:10:37YVONNE: I don't know you at all, do I?
0:10:37 > 0:10:39I never did.
0:10:39 > 0:10:43And you are all that's standing between me and a prison sentence.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49- GARY:- I'm sorry I wasn't there this afternoon.
0:10:49 > 0:10:51I took Carrie in for a check-up.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54- But everything's OK, isn't it? - Yes. Yeah.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58- You would tell me if it wasn't? - Absolutely fine.
0:10:58 > 0:11:00Of course.
0:11:00 > 0:11:02The baby's just not ready to come out yet.
0:11:02 > 0:11:04All OK this afternoon?
0:11:05 > 0:11:07Yeah.
0:11:07 > 0:11:09Smoke and mirrors, you know?
0:11:10 > 0:11:12You know I love you.
0:11:12 > 0:11:13Stay strong, hm?
0:11:15 > 0:11:17- I'll see you tomorrow, love.- Bye.
0:11:17 > 0:11:19GARY HANGS UP
0:11:25 > 0:11:28Good morning, Dr Carmichael.
0:11:28 > 0:11:29We're getting there.
0:11:29 > 0:11:32Even Ms Bonnard shouldn't be able to spin her case out
0:11:32 > 0:11:34- beyond the end of today.- Really?
0:11:34 > 0:11:38Well, Mr Costley won't be in the box, as they're pleading diminished.
0:11:38 > 0:11:39So, er...yeah.
0:11:39 > 0:11:43The...assault that the prosecution mentioned yesterday,
0:11:43 > 0:11:46that Mark was charged with,
0:11:46 > 0:11:48do you know the details?
0:11:48 > 0:11:51He, er...attacked a man outside a restaurant
0:11:51 > 0:11:53who was chatting up his wife, I believe.
0:11:53 > 0:11:55Broke his jaw.
0:11:55 > 0:11:57The defence managed to limit the admission,
0:11:57 > 0:11:59so the jury doesn't know that.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02It won't have exactly improved their opinion of him, though,
0:12:02 > 0:12:05- hearing he has a conviction. - Do you think they think it's murder?
0:12:06 > 0:12:08Well, in my experience,
0:12:08 > 0:12:12it's always best not to try and second-guess what a jury's thinking.
0:12:12 > 0:12:14Hopefully, the defence psychiatrist Ms Bonnard is calling
0:12:14 > 0:12:18will help convince the jury that Mr Costley is mad, rather than bad.
0:12:18 > 0:12:21Not that we're relying on his defence, you understand.
0:12:21 > 0:12:23But it would help our case, wouldn't it?
0:12:23 > 0:12:27Diminished responsibility. Manslaughter.
0:12:27 > 0:12:28It would help, certainly.
0:12:31 > 0:12:32When I examined Mark Costley,
0:12:32 > 0:12:36he displayed very highly developed coping mechanisms,
0:12:36 > 0:12:39considering the situation he was in, the stress he was under.
0:12:39 > 0:12:41Coping...
0:12:41 > 0:12:44Isn't that the sign of someone who's psychologically healthy, Dr Sadiq?
0:12:44 > 0:12:48Not necessarily. Not all patients with disordered personalities
0:12:48 > 0:12:49have chaotic lives.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52Very intelligent people, with good support systems,
0:12:52 > 0:12:56they can be what you could call high-functioning patients.
0:12:56 > 0:12:59Their coping, in fact, masks more deep-seated symptoms.
0:12:59 > 0:13:02Could you tell us, Dr Sadiq, how a personality disorder
0:13:02 > 0:13:04might be displayed in a patient...
0:13:04 > 0:13:07CROSS EXAMINATION FADES AWAY
0:13:07 > 0:13:11What did you think of me, the first time you saw me? Honestly?
0:13:11 > 0:13:12Well...
0:13:13 > 0:13:15I thought...
0:13:16 > 0:13:17..I would.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19SHE CHUCKLES
0:13:19 > 0:13:21- Well, you did.- I did.- Yeah.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23SHE CHUCKLES
0:13:23 > 0:13:25So was it just that?
0:13:25 > 0:13:26Seriously, like, "I would"?
0:13:27 > 0:13:29No, I just thought...
0:13:31 > 0:13:33..you seemed to know what you were doing.
0:13:35 > 0:13:36No, not like that!
0:13:36 > 0:13:38Well, yes, like that.
0:13:42 > 0:13:43But you seemed...
0:13:46 > 0:13:48..right.
0:13:50 > 0:13:51Sound.
0:13:51 > 0:13:53Sound...
0:14:01 > 0:14:04..so, in Mr Costley's case, he dissociates.
0:14:04 > 0:14:06He detaches from real life
0:14:06 > 0:14:08and creates his own self-sustaining narrative.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12Forgive me, Doctor. Would you mind putting that in layperson's terms?
0:14:12 > 0:14:13Sorry.
0:14:13 > 0:14:16Patients like Mr Costley,
0:14:16 > 0:14:19they make themselves the hero of their own story,
0:14:19 > 0:14:21almost like they're in a film, or a book,
0:14:21 > 0:14:24and they're watching themselves as the main character.
0:14:24 > 0:14:27And to other people, this tendency to make up stories,
0:14:27 > 0:14:31could it make the sufferer seem merely...a bit of a fantasist?
0:14:31 > 0:14:33It could look like that, on the outside, yes.
0:14:33 > 0:14:37But it would represent an abnormality of mental functioning,
0:14:37 > 0:14:39- is that correct?- That is correct.
0:14:40 > 0:14:45What happens, Dr Sadiq, when someone suffering from this type of disorder
0:14:45 > 0:14:47is put in an unusually stressful situation?
0:14:47 > 0:14:50Well, if their sense of safety is challenged
0:14:50 > 0:14:53by the loss of their stable environment,
0:14:53 > 0:14:55they decompensate.
0:14:55 > 0:14:57Decompensate... What does that mean?
0:14:57 > 0:14:59Act oddly, if you like.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02They might then start showing chaotic behaviour,
0:15:02 > 0:15:05disturbed behaviour, violent or self-destructive tendencies.
0:15:05 > 0:15:07- Violent, you say?- Yes.
0:15:07 > 0:15:10They might lash out, lose control completely.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14And in an altercation, such as we can assume
0:15:14 > 0:15:17took place between George Selway and Mark Costley...
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- Objection!- Ms Bonnard...
0:15:19 > 0:15:20My Lord.
0:15:22 > 0:15:28To be clear, Dr Sadiq, in a personality-disordered individual,
0:15:28 > 0:15:30such as the type you're describing,
0:15:30 > 0:15:33could an argument or a physical threat
0:15:33 > 0:15:36substantially impair their ability to keep a grip
0:15:36 > 0:15:38on what a reasonable response might be?
0:15:38 > 0:15:40I think so, yes.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43Right, so their abnormality of mental functioning
0:15:43 > 0:15:46would, in this situation,
0:15:46 > 0:15:50affect their ability to exercise self-control?
0:15:50 > 0:15:51Yes, it would.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54Returning to Mark Costley,
0:15:54 > 0:15:57during your examination of him, what conclusions did you draw?
0:15:57 > 0:16:01I was struck by his almost inappropriate ability
0:16:01 > 0:16:04to manage this very stressful situation he was in
0:16:04 > 0:16:07as though he'd found a different story to tell himself.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10Added to the nature of the crime he's admitted to,
0:16:10 > 0:16:13his history of risky sexual encounters,
0:16:13 > 0:16:16even his attraction to the secret service...
0:16:16 > 0:16:20In my opinion, Mark Costley fits the profile of someone
0:16:20 > 0:16:22with a high-functioning personality disorder.
0:16:24 > 0:16:25Thank you.
0:16:28 > 0:16:31No questions for the witness, my Lord.
0:16:31 > 0:16:34Dr Sadiq, this theory of yours
0:16:34 > 0:16:37about so-called high-functioning personality disorders,
0:16:37 > 0:16:40am I correct in saying it formed the basis of your PhD thesis
0:16:40 > 0:16:44- at Kingston University? - Yes, that's right.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47So would it be fair to say it's your pet theory?
0:16:48 > 0:16:50Well...in a way.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55It's certainly a theory I've done a great deal of work on.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58- It explains a lot, in my opinion. - Indeed.
0:16:58 > 0:17:01But isn't it the case that your theory is countered
0:17:01 > 0:17:04by the recognised diagnostic categorisation systems
0:17:04 > 0:17:08- used in psychiatry? - Well, I wouldn't say countered.
0:17:08 > 0:17:11For instance, the Worldwide Disease Classification Index...
0:17:11 > 0:17:14Is high-functioning personality disorder
0:17:14 > 0:17:16included in the current manual, Dr Sadiq?
0:17:16 > 0:17:19It isn't in WDCI-10.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22But we're hoping, by the time WDCI-11 comes out,
0:17:22 > 0:17:24- it'll be included.- No doubt.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27But does high-functioning personality disorder
0:17:27 > 0:17:31appear anywhere in this highly respected reference work?
0:17:34 > 0:17:35Erm...
0:17:35 > 0:17:39it isn't yet classified as a separate diagnosis in the WDCI.
0:17:39 > 0:17:43But in WDCI-11, the intention is to move to a spectrum-based...
0:17:43 > 0:17:45Thank you, Dr Sadiq.
0:17:46 > 0:17:51In the Biannual Study Papers Of Mental Disorders, Volume 24,
0:17:51 > 0:17:53dated March 2013,
0:17:53 > 0:17:57there is a specific refutation of your theory
0:17:57 > 0:17:59in an article by Dr Michael Sedora,
0:17:59 > 0:18:03an expert in borderline personality disorders
0:18:03 > 0:18:05of some 22 years' standing.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08It's page 72, my Lord, footnote five.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10See "Sadiq, Kingston,
0:18:10 > 0:18:13"High-Functioning Personality Disorder
0:18:13 > 0:18:16"And The Disguise Of Pathological Trait Domains."
0:18:16 > 0:18:19That is the name of your PhD thesis, Dr Sadiq?
0:18:22 > 0:18:23Dr Sadiq?
0:18:24 > 0:18:26Yes, that's right.
0:18:28 > 0:18:32"I find no clinical evidence that the so-called
0:18:32 > 0:18:36"high-functioning individual is able to disguise traits
0:18:36 > 0:18:39"such as compulsivity or antagonism
0:18:39 > 0:18:42"from family members or medical professionals."
0:18:42 > 0:18:45They're missing the fundamental point of my thesis,
0:18:45 > 0:18:48which is that personality is not a binary concept but a spectrum.
0:18:48 > 0:18:53"I discount entirely the existence of a high-functioning category
0:18:53 > 0:18:54"separate from the current definition
0:18:54 > 0:18:56"of personality disorders."
0:18:56 > 0:18:59There's a group of individuals, like Mr Costley,
0:18:59 > 0:19:01who have significant personality pathology,
0:19:01 > 0:19:04which may fall short of the current diagnosis of personality dis...
0:19:04 > 0:19:05Fall short?
0:19:13 > 0:19:14Indeed.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20"A subcategory of high-functioning personality disorder...
0:19:21 > 0:19:23"..remains unsubstantiated."
0:19:31 > 0:19:33No further questions, my Lord.
0:19:35 > 0:19:37YVONNE: Mad or bad?
0:19:38 > 0:19:40Right now, the jury thinks you're as sane as I am.
0:19:42 > 0:19:43They think you're a murderer.
0:19:57 > 0:19:58HE MOUTHS
0:20:23 > 0:20:25HE TAPS LOUDLY
0:20:27 > 0:20:28Yeah, OK, I'll come down.
0:20:31 > 0:20:34They were a bit worried because her waters had broken
0:20:34 > 0:20:36and nothing was happening, so they induced her
0:20:36 > 0:20:40and it was all fast and furious after that.
0:20:40 > 0:20:42But Carrie's OK? The baby's OK?
0:20:43 > 0:20:47- Who does he look like? - Oh, my nose maybe. Poor bugger!
0:20:47 > 0:20:49HE CHUCKLES
0:20:49 > 0:20:53You did tell Carrie that they wouldn't let me call the hospital?
0:20:53 > 0:20:54I'll give her all your love.
0:20:54 > 0:20:58And Sathnam. She knows you're thinking about her, love.
0:20:58 > 0:20:59Oh, God...
0:21:01 > 0:21:03I really wish I could have been there.
0:21:03 > 0:21:04I know.
0:21:06 > 0:21:08- Oh, bloody hell! - Oh, aye, come on, now...
0:21:08 > 0:21:10Hm?
0:21:10 > 0:21:14Home straight. Just remember everything Robert's told you
0:21:14 > 0:21:16about making a good impression
0:21:16 > 0:21:21and we'll get home and see that baby, yeah?
0:21:23 > 0:21:24Yeah.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28You will tell Carrie that I love her, won't you?
0:21:31 > 0:21:34- What are they going to call him?- Oh, I don't think they've decided yet.
0:21:35 > 0:21:36I'm keen on Gary Junior.
0:21:42 > 0:21:44Von, I want to be there tomorrow.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47For all of it.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49When you're questioned.
0:21:49 > 0:21:50- But we agreed.- Yeah.
0:21:52 > 0:21:55Yeah. It's important, though.
0:21:57 > 0:22:02I've been thinking and I'm so sorry about all the shite over Rosa.
0:22:03 > 0:22:05No more secrets.
0:22:06 > 0:22:08Nowhere we can't go together.
0:22:09 > 0:22:13That's how all this happened in the first place, and I just...
0:22:15 > 0:22:20..I just wish you'd been able to trust me with it.
0:22:28 > 0:22:30Oh, I'm sorry.
0:22:41 > 0:22:42OK.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07What about me?
0:23:07 > 0:23:09What did you think the first time you saw me?
0:23:11 > 0:23:12You were just so...
0:23:14 > 0:23:17..so comfortable in your own world.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22In that committee room.
0:23:22 > 0:23:24Just owning it.
0:23:27 > 0:23:28I loved that.
0:23:51 > 0:23:54SHE GIGGLES
0:23:54 > 0:23:57LAUGHTER CONTINUES
0:24:05 > 0:24:06All rise.
0:24:32 > 0:24:36Dr Carmichael, can you give us some idea of the kind of work involved
0:24:36 > 0:24:39in appearing at a House of Commons Select Committee?
0:24:39 > 0:24:42Erm...well, it doesn't really involve any extra work,
0:24:42 > 0:24:44apart from turning up.
0:24:45 > 0:24:47You're called to answer questions that cover your field.
0:24:47 > 0:24:49Your field being?
0:24:49 > 0:24:53- The human genome and genetic engineering.- Hm...
0:24:53 > 0:24:56And it was at the last of these occasions that you met Mark Costley?
0:24:56 > 0:24:58That's correct.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00- Can you tell me your impressions of him?- Erm...
0:25:02 > 0:25:04He was pleasant.
0:25:04 > 0:25:06Er, knowledgeable. I liked him.
0:25:07 > 0:25:12He gave me a guided tour of the Great Hall of Westminster,
0:25:12 > 0:25:14the Crypt Chapel.
0:25:15 > 0:25:17We met for coffee a few times.
0:25:17 > 0:25:20I work... I worked nearby.
0:25:20 > 0:25:22Did you meet purely as friends?
0:25:22 > 0:25:23Yes.
0:25:23 > 0:25:27His niece was considering a career in science and...
0:25:28 > 0:25:30Well, it's a bit of a hobby-horse of mine,
0:25:30 > 0:25:33getting women and girls into science as a career, so...
0:25:35 > 0:25:37My own daughter's a scientist.
0:25:38 > 0:25:42So we talked about that and I gave him some advice.
0:25:42 > 0:25:44Dr Carmichael, we now have to discuss
0:25:44 > 0:25:46the events that have led, indirectly,
0:25:46 > 0:25:48to you being here,
0:25:48 > 0:25:52in a position you never would have imagined yourself to be in.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10INAUDIBLE
0:26:18 > 0:26:20It didn't seem real.
0:26:22 > 0:26:24Although it was...
0:26:24 > 0:26:27the most, most shocking thing that's ever happened to me.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32When it was over...
0:26:32 > 0:26:36he acted as if it was completely normal.
0:26:36 > 0:26:38And I got in the cab with him because...
0:26:40 > 0:26:41..I didn't know what else to do.
0:26:43 > 0:26:46Some people will find it hard to understand
0:26:46 > 0:26:48why you didn't even tell your husband
0:26:48 > 0:26:49about this horrific, vicious attack.
0:26:53 > 0:26:56I would have found it hard, before it happened to me.
0:26:56 > 0:26:58To understand, I mean.
0:27:00 > 0:27:02But it seemed so clear.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10I didn't want what he did...
0:27:11 > 0:27:15..in my life, in my home.
0:27:20 > 0:27:22I didn't want to be sitting in my kitchen,
0:27:22 > 0:27:25having a meal with my husband and wonder...
0:27:28 > 0:27:32..two years later, five years later, whatever...
0:27:34 > 0:27:38..wonder if he was thinking about it, or...
0:27:41 > 0:27:44..or for him to raise it, or talk about it...
0:27:46 > 0:27:48..when I wasn't ready.
0:27:48 > 0:27:50I wasn't ready.
0:27:50 > 0:27:54SHE SOBS
0:28:04 > 0:28:08George Selway treated me as a collection of holes and...
0:28:11 > 0:28:16..at least, by not telling Gary, I had control over that one thing.
0:28:21 > 0:28:26What was your intention when you went to see Mark Costley
0:28:26 > 0:28:29to ask his advice about George Selway?
0:28:29 > 0:28:31I just wanted it to stop.
0:28:32 > 0:28:35E-mailing me, texting, following me.
0:28:37 > 0:28:41When George turned up near my house, I...
0:28:41 > 0:28:43I was just so frightened.
0:28:45 > 0:28:47To be clear...
0:28:48 > 0:28:52..did you wish George Selway physical harm?
0:28:52 > 0:28:53No.
0:28:53 > 0:28:58Did you encourage or urge Mr Mark Costley to kill George Selway?
0:28:58 > 0:28:59No!
0:29:00 > 0:29:03While you were waiting, in the car,
0:29:03 > 0:29:06were you aware of what was taking place in George Selway's flat?
0:29:08 > 0:29:10No.
0:29:11 > 0:29:14- JUDGE:- I suggest, given the very obvious distress of the witness,
0:29:14 > 0:29:17we'll adjourn for a short break.
0:29:37 > 0:29:40Dr Carmichael, I have no wish to distress you.
0:29:40 > 0:29:43But could I ask you a few more questions
0:29:43 > 0:29:45about the night you claim you were attacked
0:29:45 > 0:29:48by the victim in this case?
0:29:48 > 0:29:49Of course.
0:29:50 > 0:29:53Now, earlier on that day, the day of the party,
0:29:53 > 0:29:56- you were working at home? - Yes, that's right.
0:29:56 > 0:30:00And then you got into your party dress and took the Tube into town.
0:30:00 > 0:30:02- Is that correct?- That's correct.
0:30:05 > 0:30:10Now, you've said you were at the party with Mr Selway for some hours,
0:30:10 > 0:30:12drinking with him, before you went with him
0:30:12 > 0:30:15up to his secluded office on the fifth floor,
0:30:15 > 0:30:17an area of the building you knew
0:30:17 > 0:30:19would be empty at that time of night.
0:30:19 > 0:30:20Well, as I said,
0:30:20 > 0:30:23- he mentioned something about getting some papers from his office.- Yes.
0:30:23 > 0:30:24Just to establish,
0:30:24 > 0:30:27when you were drinking and smoking with Mr Selway,
0:30:27 > 0:30:30you were, for a time, seated together outside
0:30:30 > 0:30:33- in a small courtyard in the middle of the building?- Yes.
0:30:33 > 0:30:34I wasn't smoking.
0:30:36 > 0:30:38You were keeping him company, then.
0:30:39 > 0:30:42When you were seated together outside,
0:30:42 > 0:30:45can you recall placing your hand on Mr Selway's knee?
0:30:46 > 0:30:48No, I can't.
0:30:48 > 0:30:50Can you recall him placing his hand on your knee?
0:30:54 > 0:30:57He may have done, yes.
0:30:57 > 0:31:01I think he did, just on my knee, to steady himself.
0:31:03 > 0:31:04Er...
0:31:04 > 0:31:08We were all laughing, in a group.
0:31:08 > 0:31:11It wasn't just the two of us and...
0:31:11 > 0:31:13I was a bit unsteady and so was he, and...
0:31:15 > 0:31:18..I put my hand on his knee, just to steady myself.
0:31:18 > 0:31:20So you put your hand on his knee?
0:31:24 > 0:31:26Or he did on mine. He...
0:31:26 > 0:31:29He was filling up my glass. It could have been both.
0:31:30 > 0:31:32You were flirting, weren't you?
0:31:32 > 0:31:34No, I wouldn't say that.
0:31:34 > 0:31:38We were talking, joking, in a group of people.
0:31:38 > 0:31:40Well, let's not get into a detailed discussion
0:31:40 > 0:31:44on the definition of flirting, Dr Carmichael.
0:31:44 > 0:31:48Did you, or did you not, tell George Selway you were promiscuous?
0:31:48 > 0:31:49No! Absolutely not!
0:31:49 > 0:31:52- Well, you seem very certain about that.- I am.
0:31:52 > 0:31:55And if anybody thinks they heard me say that, they're mistaken.
0:31:55 > 0:31:58Or drunk. There was a lot of drinking going on that night.
0:31:58 > 0:32:00Yes, I'm not talking about the party.
0:32:00 > 0:32:03Do you remember the occasion you spent two days with George Selway,
0:32:03 > 0:32:05- a month or so before he was killed? - You're talking about
0:32:05 > 0:32:07when we interviewed for the junior research fellowship.
0:32:07 > 0:32:09- Of course I remember.- Good.
0:32:09 > 0:32:11Then you might also remember telling George Selway,
0:32:11 > 0:32:15in front of a room full of people, you were promiscuous.
0:32:16 > 0:32:18No.
0:32:19 > 0:32:21Absolutely not. I said no such thing.
0:32:21 > 0:32:23Really?
0:32:23 > 0:32:27Did you or did you not describe yourself as "really easy"?
0:32:30 > 0:32:32- That's ridiculous! - Oh, so you do remember?
0:32:32 > 0:32:35"I like to pretend I'm classy, but I'm really easy."
0:32:35 > 0:32:38I... I was talking about the coffee machine!
0:32:38 > 0:32:39He'd brought us some coffees.
0:32:39 > 0:32:42I'm not asking you for the context of the comment, Dr Carmichael.
0:32:42 > 0:32:44I'm sure you were bantering away with Mr Selway
0:32:44 > 0:32:45on all manner of subjects.
0:32:45 > 0:32:47Just please answer the question - "really easy",
0:32:47 > 0:32:50- did you use that exact phrase? - That is ludicrous.
0:32:50 > 0:32:52- You can take anything out of context.- Yes or no?
0:32:52 > 0:32:54You're trying to create a false impression
0:32:54 > 0:32:56- of the kind of relationship that we had.- Yes or no?
0:32:56 > 0:32:58Not in the way that you mean!
0:33:09 > 0:33:10This is why...
0:33:12 > 0:33:14This is why I didn't want to bring this to court in the first place.
0:33:26 > 0:33:28It's not the only reason, is it, Dr Carmichael?
0:33:35 > 0:33:38Why didn't you report the alleged rape by George Selway?
0:33:40 > 0:33:43Often these cases are conducted as if...
0:33:43 > 0:33:45the victim has committed a crime.
0:33:46 > 0:33:48And I felt that I'd been through enough.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50Well, this isn't a rape trial.
0:33:50 > 0:33:51And you have been charged with a crime,
0:33:51 > 0:33:53the most serious crime there is.
0:33:53 > 0:33:55Now, forgive me, you said it was eight years
0:33:55 > 0:33:58you worked for the Beaufort Institute.
0:33:58 > 0:33:59Erm...
0:33:59 > 0:34:03Full time, yes. And more recently part time.
0:34:03 > 0:34:05Of course.
0:34:05 > 0:34:08And during those eight years, you commuted every day?
0:34:08 > 0:34:10The Tube to St James's and then a walk?
0:34:11 > 0:34:12Yes.
0:34:14 > 0:34:16And lunch hours, coffee breaks,
0:34:16 > 0:34:19plenty of places to eat around there.
0:34:19 > 0:34:22- Pubs after work, so on. - My Lord, really!
0:34:22 > 0:34:26- Forgive me, my Lord, I am getting there.- Then do, please, Ms Bonnard.
0:34:28 > 0:34:31Dr Carmichael, in your professional capacity,
0:34:31 > 0:34:34you have been working in or visiting the Borough of Westminster
0:34:34 > 0:34:37for, what, around 12 years? Longer?
0:34:37 > 0:34:38Erm...
0:34:38 > 0:34:39longer, probably.
0:34:39 > 0:34:44So it's fair to say you are very familiar with the area.
0:34:44 > 0:34:48What with all the commuting and lunch hours, walking, so on?
0:34:49 > 0:34:51It...
0:34:51 > 0:34:52Yes.
0:34:54 > 0:34:55You know it intimately...
0:34:57 > 0:34:59..this little corner of St James.
0:35:01 > 0:35:03The highways and byways.
0:35:04 > 0:35:06The shops and cafes.
0:35:11 > 0:35:12The side streets.
0:35:12 > 0:35:14The back alleyways.
0:35:26 > 0:35:30You're familiar, Dr Carmichael...
0:35:30 > 0:35:33with a small alleyway called Apple Tree Yard?
0:35:46 > 0:35:48Apple Tree Yard...
0:35:49 > 0:35:53..is the alleyway in the Borough of Westminster,
0:35:53 > 0:35:56St James to be precise,
0:35:56 > 0:36:00where you had intercourse with your lover, Mark Costley,
0:36:00 > 0:36:01in a public street,
0:36:01 > 0:36:05quite quickly, I imagine, during rush hour, standing up in a doorway.
0:36:05 > 0:36:07Isn't that the case, Dr Carmichael?
0:36:17 > 0:36:18It...
0:36:20 > 0:36:21It wasn't rush hour.
0:36:23 > 0:36:26Well, I apologise for any inaccuracy as to timings,
0:36:26 > 0:36:29but you will forgive me for doubting the absolute credibility
0:36:29 > 0:36:32of any account you're willing to give this court.
0:36:32 > 0:36:35You know, you are facing a charge of murder.
0:36:35 > 0:36:38Don't you think it's time you started telling the truth?
0:36:38 > 0:36:40You've lied, haven't you?
0:36:41 > 0:36:43You have lied to your husband
0:36:43 > 0:36:45and you've lied to the police
0:36:45 > 0:36:48and you have lied to this court! Well, haven't you?
0:36:57 > 0:36:59Yes.
0:37:02 > 0:37:04I beg your pardon?
0:37:06 > 0:37:07Yes.
0:37:15 > 0:37:18Did you ask my client to kill George Selway?
0:37:18 > 0:37:19No.
0:37:19 > 0:37:22- Are you telling the truth?- Yes!
0:37:22 > 0:37:25Did you tell him you were raped, Dr Carmichael?
0:37:25 > 0:37:27I said... Yes.
0:37:27 > 0:37:29- And were you raped? Is that the truth?- Yes! Yes!
0:37:29 > 0:37:30Yes!
0:37:55 > 0:37:58As you went to the party that night...
0:38:01 > 0:38:04..after you had had sex with my client...
0:38:10 > 0:38:12..were you wearing underwear?
0:38:37 > 0:38:39Please, at least tell me that the sex was good.
0:38:49 > 0:38:50Why?
0:38:51 > 0:38:53Why with someone like that?
0:38:54 > 0:38:57He didn't seem... the way he sounds in court. He...
0:38:59 > 0:39:01He made me feel...
0:39:02 > 0:39:06- Gary wants to talk to you... - I can't.- ..so much.- I can't.
0:39:06 > 0:39:09No. No, it would just finish me off.
0:39:10 > 0:39:12Think about it.
0:39:13 > 0:39:15Isn't it going to do more damage this way?
0:39:15 > 0:39:17Damage?
0:39:17 > 0:39:19Damage? Suse, the damage is done.
0:39:19 > 0:39:22You saw the jury's faces. I'm going to prison.
0:39:22 > 0:39:24- You don't know that.- Yes, I do.
0:39:24 > 0:39:26- The trial isn't over yet. - Yes, it is. It is.
0:39:26 > 0:39:27It is for me.
0:39:33 > 0:39:36You know, the one thing that Gary's always said that he couldn't bear...
0:39:38 > 0:39:39..is humiliation.
0:39:39 > 0:39:40Didn't you think?
0:39:42 > 0:39:43What?
0:39:43 > 0:39:44SHE SIGHS
0:39:44 > 0:39:48If you were having this thing with Mark Costley, then...
0:39:50 > 0:39:53..surely your marriage was over anyway?
0:39:53 > 0:39:56Do you really think that it's that cut and dried?
0:39:56 > 0:39:59God, Suse, I'd expect that from Carrie, but you, of all people...
0:39:59 > 0:40:01I am trying to understand.
0:40:01 > 0:40:05You should know that a marriage is not what it seems from the outside.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09What, Jay? Well, Jay's a bit different from Gary.
0:40:09 > 0:40:12Well, you've always held Gary up as some kind of shining star.
0:40:12 > 0:40:14Because he is a good man!
0:40:22 > 0:40:24Yes, he is.
0:40:25 > 0:40:27Of course he is.
0:40:36 > 0:40:38When I started my degree...
0:40:40 > 0:40:43..I was going to dedicate my life to science.
0:40:45 > 0:40:46And then...
0:40:48 > 0:40:51..the first week of the first term, there he was.
0:40:51 > 0:40:53So specific.
0:40:55 > 0:40:57There, in the lab...
0:40:58 > 0:41:02..being so bloody certain about everything.
0:41:03 > 0:41:05With his shirt tucked in.
0:41:07 > 0:41:08And his thousand-yard stare.
0:41:11 > 0:41:1330 years, nearly.
0:41:16 > 0:41:19Don't you think that's worth fighting for?
0:42:01 > 0:42:03Ladies and gentlemen,
0:42:03 > 0:42:05the dramatic revelations of the last days
0:42:05 > 0:42:08have served only to strengthen the prosecution's case,
0:42:08 > 0:42:11that it is beyond reasonable doubt
0:42:11 > 0:42:14that Mark Costley and Yvonne Carmichael are both guilty
0:42:14 > 0:42:16of the murder of George Selway.
0:42:16 > 0:42:19Whose idea was it to drive to Selway's flat that day?
0:42:21 > 0:42:24Yvonne Carmichael has admitted it was her idea.
0:42:24 > 0:42:26Tragically...
0:42:26 > 0:42:29Mr Costley's already marked tendencies as a fantasist
0:42:29 > 0:42:32and his inability to tell the difference
0:42:32 > 0:42:35between reality and a story of his own invention
0:42:35 > 0:42:38found its flashpoint at that unbearable moment
0:42:38 > 0:42:42when he confronted the man he believed to have raped his lover.
0:42:43 > 0:42:48Yvonne Carmichael had suffered a brutal and degrading rape
0:42:48 > 0:42:50at the hands of George Selway,
0:42:50 > 0:42:56who then added to this quite devastating trauma by stalking her.
0:42:56 > 0:42:58She just wanted it to stop.
0:42:58 > 0:43:01There is no evidence that she wanted him dead.
0:43:01 > 0:43:04There's no evidence that she asked for it.
0:43:04 > 0:43:06Mark Costley was in his own world
0:43:06 > 0:43:08when he entered George Selway's flat,
0:43:08 > 0:43:10on a mission of his own making.
0:43:12 > 0:43:14It comes down to this...
0:43:14 > 0:43:16Does having an affair with Mark Costley,
0:43:16 > 0:43:18keeping it secret,
0:43:18 > 0:43:21make Dr Carmichael a murderer?
0:43:22 > 0:43:23Not...
0:43:23 > 0:43:26does it make her unsavoury, inappropriate?
0:43:26 > 0:43:29Your private judgment is your own concern.
0:43:31 > 0:43:34Does it make her...a murderer?
0:43:48 > 0:43:50It's time.
0:43:54 > 0:43:56DOOR BUZZER SOUNDS
0:44:02 > 0:44:05YVONNE: Courts aren't about the truth.
0:44:05 > 0:44:07They're about who tells the best story.
0:44:12 > 0:44:15You know all about that.
0:44:15 > 0:44:16You're the expert.
0:44:24 > 0:44:27You caught me so easily.
0:44:27 > 0:44:30But then, I think now...
0:44:30 > 0:44:32I was waiting to be caught.
0:44:58 > 0:44:59Madam Foreperson,
0:44:59 > 0:45:03has the jury reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed?
0:45:03 > 0:45:05Yes.
0:45:06 > 0:45:08Would the defendants please stand?
0:45:14 > 0:45:18Do you find the defendant Mark Liam Costley
0:45:18 > 0:45:22guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway?
0:45:23 > 0:45:26We find the defendant not guilty.
0:45:31 > 0:45:34Do you find the defendant Yvonne Carmichael
0:45:34 > 0:45:38guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway?
0:45:40 > 0:45:41Not guilty.
0:45:44 > 0:45:47Upon count two of this indictment,
0:45:47 > 0:45:50do you find the defendant Mark Liam Costley
0:45:50 > 0:45:53guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
0:45:55 > 0:45:56Guilty.
0:46:02 > 0:46:05Do you find the defendant Yvonne Carmichael
0:46:05 > 0:46:07guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
0:46:10 > 0:46:11We find the defendant...
0:46:18 > 0:46:20..not guilty.
0:47:18 > 0:47:20Congratulations.
0:48:25 > 0:48:26YVONNE: Dear X...
0:48:28 > 0:48:29Dear Mark...
0:48:30 > 0:48:34..with good behaviour and the all clear from your psychiatrist,
0:48:34 > 0:48:36you'll be free in five years.
0:48:41 > 0:48:44They found me guilty of perjury.
0:48:44 > 0:48:46Suspended sentence.
0:48:47 > 0:48:50Sounds about right - "suspended."
0:48:51 > 0:48:53Hanging above me,
0:48:53 > 0:48:56a sword that could fall on my neck at any time.
0:48:58 > 0:48:59And of course...
0:48:59 > 0:49:01my good behaviour has to last a lifetime.
0:49:18 > 0:49:21When do you think Carrie will be ready to see me?
0:49:23 > 0:49:26I think that's best discussed between you and her, don't you?
0:49:27 > 0:49:29You can do no wrong in her eyes, you know that.
0:49:30 > 0:49:34Yeah, well, we're all on a learning curve, aren't we?
0:49:34 > 0:49:35Gary...
0:49:37 > 0:49:39Does she know about you and Rosa?
0:49:40 > 0:49:43There's nothing to tell any more, is there? So, no point.
0:49:43 > 0:49:46Surely it's only fair that she knows something about...
0:49:46 > 0:49:49what was going on with you and us?
0:49:49 > 0:49:51Oh, you really want to go there, do you?
0:49:52 > 0:49:54Jesus Christ...
0:49:54 > 0:49:56Fairness?
0:49:56 > 0:49:58Transparency?
0:50:00 > 0:50:03There were so many opportunities to tell me.
0:50:03 > 0:50:05So many points.
0:50:06 > 0:50:08The rape.
0:50:09 > 0:50:10Him.
0:50:14 > 0:50:16- I would have understood. - I know you would.
0:50:16 > 0:50:18So why? Because you had to win,
0:50:18 > 0:50:21you had to be the best at everything, even marriage?
0:50:21 > 0:50:22Could you just not bear the thought
0:50:22 > 0:50:25of not having something to hold against me for once?
0:50:25 > 0:50:27That we both might have fucked up, even-stevens?
0:50:27 > 0:50:30- Is that what you think? - Yes, that's what I think!
0:50:31 > 0:50:35I think you think I've been the bad one.
0:50:35 > 0:50:37That's how it's worked!
0:51:03 > 0:51:04I'm sorry.
0:51:05 > 0:51:06I am.
0:51:08 > 0:51:12And I'll say it every day, for as long as it takes.
0:51:36 > 0:51:38DRILLING
0:52:07 > 0:52:09Thank you for agreeing to see me.
0:52:17 > 0:52:19Yvonne...
0:52:19 > 0:52:20in court...
0:52:20 > 0:52:22when I, erm...
0:52:23 > 0:52:26..I told my barrister about us...
0:52:27 > 0:52:30..she just twisted everything.
0:52:32 > 0:52:33I'm so sorry.
0:52:38 > 0:52:40I think I understand.
0:52:41 > 0:52:43You panicked.
0:52:45 > 0:52:48Is...that what happened with George?
0:52:50 > 0:52:52I know you didn't mean to kill him.
0:52:52 > 0:52:55You wouldn't have let me drive you to his house...
0:52:57 > 0:52:59..if you'd meant to kill him.
0:52:59 > 0:53:01I just wanted to teach him a lesson.
0:53:02 > 0:53:03For you.
0:53:05 > 0:53:07I wanted you to feel safe.
0:53:17 > 0:53:19I lied to you.
0:53:26 > 0:53:29Brilliant geneticist, one of the country's leading scientists...
0:53:29 > 0:53:30I'm not.
0:53:31 > 0:53:35I haven't produced an original piece of work for years.
0:53:37 > 0:53:40I was never anybody important.
0:53:44 > 0:53:46You made me feel important.
0:53:50 > 0:53:53I don't know what you want me to say.
0:53:54 > 0:53:56I'm sorry.
0:53:59 > 0:54:01Mark...
0:54:03 > 0:54:05SHE SIGHS HEAVILY
0:54:06 > 0:54:08The feelings...
0:54:10 > 0:54:11..they were real.
0:54:13 > 0:54:15Mine were, at least.
0:54:15 > 0:54:17And mine, too.
0:54:19 > 0:54:22That's why I told her about us.
0:54:22 > 0:54:24Because how else would anyone know?
0:54:26 > 0:54:28How would they know?
0:54:31 > 0:54:34That it had been...real.
0:54:42 > 0:54:45It was just everything else that wasn't.
0:54:58 > 0:55:02YVONNE: If relationships are stories,
0:55:02 > 0:55:04there is no happy ending for ours.
0:55:06 > 0:55:10But life, as they say, goes on.
0:55:23 > 0:55:25BABY GURGLES
0:55:50 > 0:55:52- MARK:- Yvonne...
0:55:58 > 0:56:00What you said to me in the flat...
0:56:02 > 0:56:04The safe house.
0:56:06 > 0:56:07I never told them.
0:56:11 > 0:56:12I didn't.
0:56:21 > 0:56:23So what do you want?
0:56:25 > 0:56:27I want you to kill him.
0:56:27 > 0:56:30SHE LAUGHS
0:56:31 > 0:56:34I want you to smash his fucking face in.
0:56:48 > 0:56:50People can say anything.
0:56:59 > 0:57:01You really can't tell the difference, can you?