0:04:33 > 0:04:35KNOCKING, DOOR OPENS >
0:05:41 > 0:05:44"It's a great honour to pass on the torch of democracy
0:05:44 > 0:05:48"to the Turgisian nation as a token of my admiration and respect."
0:09:48 > 0:09:50DOOR CLOSES >
0:09:50 > 0:09:52Hi! > Hi!
0:09:52 > 0:09:54HE SIGHS
0:11:40 > 0:11:41< DOOR OPENS
0:13:17 > 0:13:19SHE WOLF-WHISTLES
0:13:19 > 0:13:21SHE DOES VOICE WARM-UP EXERCISES
0:13:26 > 0:13:28SHE CONTINUES WARMING-UP
0:13:28 > 0:13:31- Are you all right? - Oh...
0:13:31 > 0:13:34Sorry, um, yes, I'm fine.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37- Vladimir Bayanov.- Nice to meet you.
0:13:37 > 0:13:39I believe I'm being interrogated by you.
0:13:39 > 0:13:42Oh, yes.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45Would you like us to go over some of the topics I'd like to talk about
0:13:45 > 0:13:47- before we start?- Why?
0:13:47 > 0:13:52- Well, just to... - No, I have nothing to hide.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55You can ask me anything. I'm not President Grozin.
0:13:56 > 0:13:58Of course not.
0:13:58 > 0:14:00Welcome.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31PHONE RINGS
0:15:15 > 0:15:16OK.
0:15:28 > 0:15:29SLAMS DOOR
0:15:31 > 0:15:33TV INAUDIBLE
0:15:36 > 0:15:37TV SOUND UP
0:15:37 > 0:15:40What does democracy mean to you?
0:15:40 > 0:15:43- It is like ice cream or love means to me.- Please, elaborate?
0:15:43 > 0:15:45HE THROWS REMOTE
0:15:45 > 0:15:47Well, it's so difficult to explain,
0:15:47 > 0:15:50yet so easy to understand.
0:15:50 > 0:15:53We would not die without democracy,
0:15:53 > 0:15:55but democracy develops the human race.
0:15:55 > 0:15:59Because it forces us to embrace
0:15:59 > 0:16:02and to understand those who think differently.
0:16:02 > 0:16:07Mr Bayanov, you are one of the most prominent members of the Turgisian minority,
0:16:07 > 0:16:10in Turgisia, who is fighting for an independent state,
0:16:10 > 0:16:13often with violent methods.
0:16:13 > 0:16:16Do you find the violence is sometimes necessary?
0:16:16 > 0:16:18Yes, violence is necessary,
0:16:18 > 0:16:22because Grozin is trying to destroy my people.
0:16:22 > 0:16:24Should we not defend ourselves?
0:16:24 > 0:16:27But sometimes the Turgisians do more than defend themselves.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30There have been bombs killing civilians and other episodes
0:16:30 > 0:16:33that can only be described as terrorism.
0:16:33 > 0:16:35Do you sympathise with that?
0:16:35 > 0:16:37Politics is war without bloodshed.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40But war is politics WITH bloodshed.
0:16:40 > 0:16:43Yes, that doesn't answer my question.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47Before Chairman Mao became the leader of a great nation,
0:16:47 > 0:16:49he was accused of being a terrorist.
0:16:49 > 0:16:53Before Yitshak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel,
0:16:53 > 0:16:55he too was accused of being a terrorist.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58If you win your war, you're remembered for being a great politician.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02If you lose, you're remembered for being a terrorist.
0:17:04 > 0:17:05Mr Bayanov...
0:17:06 > 0:17:08..are you a terrorist?
0:17:09 > 0:17:11Is Grozin?
0:17:13 > 0:17:16Thank you very much for coming today.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20DOOR CLOSES >
0:18:01 > 0:18:04MOBILE BUZZES
0:18:04 > 0:18:06SHE CLEARS HER THROAT
0:18:09 > 0:18:12(AS BAYANOV) "It is the same as asking me what love means to me."
0:18:14 > 0:18:15CLANGING >
0:19:00 > 0:19:01UNZIPPING, HE LAUGHS
0:19:03 > 0:19:06SIZZLING, EVERYONE TALKING TOGETHER
0:19:27 > 0:19:29PHONE RINGS
0:20:19 > 0:20:20LIFT PINGS, DOORS OPEN
0:20:20 > 0:20:24CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK
0:20:24 > 0:20:27- President Grozin, welcome to Denmark. - President Grozin, can you confirm
0:20:27 > 0:20:30that the Turgisian government has placed an order with North Wind worth a billion euros?
0:20:30 > 0:20:38Like any other country, Turgisia has a responsibility to reduce its CO2 emissions.
0:20:38 > 0:20:43And we believe our future lies in wind energy.
0:20:43 > 0:20:47But can you confirm that you have placed the order?
0:20:50 > 0:20:51Mr Grozin, please come this way.
0:20:51 > 0:20:54CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK
0:20:57 > 0:20:59Please.
0:21:07 > 0:21:12I understand that Vladimir Bayanov has not been arrested.
0:21:14 > 0:21:15That is correct.
0:21:15 > 0:21:18We received a request for the arrest of Mr Bayanov yesterday
0:21:18 > 0:21:21- from your Ministry of Justice.- And?
0:21:21 > 0:21:24And it was simply a list of accusations.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28As you are probably aware, we cannot act without evidence.
0:21:28 > 0:21:31Bayanov is a well-known terrorist.
0:21:31 > 0:21:34There's no international arrest order on Mr Bayanov.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37I mean no disrespect, Mr President,
0:21:37 > 0:21:41but our legal system makes it impossible for me to arrest a man who's legally in the country.
0:21:41 > 0:21:42Legally? Bayanov?
0:21:42 > 0:21:46Yes, I understand he's been invited here to talk about his poetry.
0:21:46 > 0:21:50Let me tell you about Mr Bayanov's real poetry.
0:21:50 > 0:21:55Bayanov was the brain behind the bombing of our police headquarters last month.
0:21:57 > 0:22:01The Chief-Of-Police and five other men on duty were killed.
0:22:03 > 0:22:07And almost 20 other people were badly wounded.
0:22:08 > 0:22:11There is your evidence...
0:22:11 > 0:22:13Mrs Prime Minister.
0:22:30 > 0:22:33We will be looking into this, Mr President.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38DOOR OPENS >
0:23:45 > 0:23:47KNOCK AT DOOR >
0:24:56 > 0:24:58KNOCK AT DOOR >
0:27:16 > 0:27:19Mr Grozin. So lovely to see you again.
0:27:19 > 0:27:22The pleasure is all mine. This is my wife, Irina.
0:27:22 > 0:27:26- Enchanted. Nice to meet you. This is my husband, Phillip.- Hello.
0:27:43 > 0:27:46- Oh, shit. - Ah, shit. - OK.
0:29:45 > 0:29:47Mr Grozin, I understand...
0:29:47 > 0:29:50I understand that Bayanov is still a free man,
0:29:50 > 0:29:52giving interviews on television.
0:29:52 > 0:29:58And, um, the BBC knew that we wanted him arrested
0:29:58 > 0:30:02and warned him one hour ago. How did they get story?
0:30:02 > 0:30:05I have no idea. I hope you're not implying that...
0:30:05 > 0:30:11Tell me, why it is that the Danish Prime Minister has chosen to stand by a terrorist
0:30:11 > 0:30:13instead of the next chairman of the OSDD.
0:30:18 > 0:30:20He has still not been arrested.
0:30:20 > 0:30:25- Do the lives of eight Turgisian policemen mean nothing to you? - Of course they do.
0:30:25 > 0:30:30And I do want to help you, but I cannot pre-empt a police investigation.
0:30:30 > 0:30:34- INTERMISSION BELL RINGS - The Prime Minister can order Bayanov detained
0:30:34 > 0:30:36until the police investigate the matter.
0:30:36 > 0:30:40- No.- A lack of goodwill on your part must force me
0:30:40 > 0:30:44to reconsider my investment in Danish wind energy.
0:30:46 > 0:30:50Why should I place a billion euros
0:30:50 > 0:30:54in a country that does not care for my people's security?
0:30:54 > 0:30:57I strongly recommend immediate action
0:30:57 > 0:31:00- and the arrest of Bayanov. - INTERMISSION BELL RINGS
0:31:03 > 0:31:05INTERMISSION BELL RINGS
0:31:23 > 0:31:25INTERMISSION BELL RINGS
0:31:27 > 0:31:29INTERMISSION BELL RINGS
0:31:31 > 0:31:34INTERMISSION BELL RINGS
0:31:36 > 0:31:41MUSIC: "Act II: Scene - Moderato" from "Swan Lake" by Tchaikovsky
0:31:51 > 0:31:53DIALOGUE INAUDIBLE OVER MUSIC
0:31:53 > 0:31:56SWAN LAKE DISTORTS INTO TENSE BACKGROUND MUSIC
0:31:56 > 0:32:00DIALOGUE DROWNED BY MUSIC THROUGHOUT SCENE
0:32:06 > 0:32:09INAUDIBLE
0:32:14 > 0:32:18KATRINE: 'Mr Bayanov, would you like to say anything?'
0:32:30 > 0:32:32INAUDIBLE OVER MUSIC
0:33:06 > 0:33:07GLASS SMASHES
0:33:37 > 0:33:39HE WHISTLES INTO BOTTLE
0:34:01 > 0:34:03BOTH LAUGH AND HUM DRUNKENLY
0:34:03 > 0:34:05SHE SCREAMS AND LAUGHS
0:34:05 > 0:34:08SHE GIGGLES
0:34:33 > 0:34:35Don't shit where you eat.
0:34:53 > 0:34:56VOICES COMING FROM VIDEO RECORDING
0:34:58 > 0:35:00KATRINE: 'Mr Bayanov, would you like to say anything?'
0:35:07 > 0:35:08'CAR ENGINE STARTS'
0:35:49 > 0:35:51PHONE GOES DEAD
0:35:51 > 0:35:53HE SIGHS
0:36:03 > 0:36:05BOTH GIGGLE
0:36:13 > 0:36:14KNOCK AT DOOR >
0:36:20 > 0:36:21KNOCK AT DOOR >
0:36:46 > 0:36:47Hi.
0:37:24 > 0:37:26KASPER GROANS
0:37:36 > 0:37:39KASPER GROANS
0:37:57 > 0:37:59DOOR CLOSES
0:39:08 > 0:39:10TV INAUDIBLE
0:39:30 > 0:39:33TV INAUDIBLE
0:41:47 > 0:41:49(VOICE BREAKING)
0:42:26 > 0:42:28HE SNIFFS
0:42:34 > 0:42:36BIRDSONG
0:44:35 > 0:44:37Yes, yes.
0:44:37 > 0:44:39Yes, of course.
0:44:39 > 0:44:40Do svidaniya.
0:47:54 > 0:47:57- Good morning, Mr President. - Good morning, Prime Minster.
0:48:00 > 0:48:04- Mr President, are you ready for the press conference?- Of course.
0:48:04 > 0:48:06- Please, come this...- Um, excuse me.
0:48:06 > 0:48:09Could I have a moment alone with the President, please?
0:48:11 > 0:48:13Of course.
0:48:15 > 0:48:17FOOTSTEPS RETREATING >
0:48:19 > 0:48:20Would you care to sit down?
0:48:22 > 0:48:23Thank you.
0:48:29 > 0:48:33What will happen to Bayanov if we hand him over?
0:48:34 > 0:48:38Let's not discuss that on a day of celebration like this.
0:48:38 > 0:48:40I can't hand him over if you won't tell me.
0:48:40 > 0:48:43It's up to the Turgisian people,
0:48:43 > 0:48:46and the Turgisian legal system to decide.
0:48:48 > 0:48:51I mean no offence, Mr President, but I need to know more than that.
0:48:56 > 0:48:58Let me ask you a question.
0:48:58 > 0:49:02Why do you consider yourself...
0:49:02 > 0:49:07a better and more democratic leader than I?
0:49:07 > 0:49:11- Why would you ask me that? - I think you know.
0:49:11 > 0:49:14How old is Danish democracy? 160 years?
0:49:14 > 0:49:17Ours is 20 years old.
0:49:17 > 0:49:19It takes time, Mrs Prime Minister.
0:49:19 > 0:49:21It takes time.
0:49:21 > 0:49:25The Turgisian people are not used to being asked,
0:49:25 > 0:49:27they're used to being told.
0:49:27 > 0:49:31It is in the DNA of my people to obey the leader.
0:49:34 > 0:49:36So, if I understand you correctly...
0:49:37 > 0:49:42..it is you, isn't it, Mr President, who will decide what will happen to Bayanov?
0:49:42 > 0:49:45- Oh, are we playing games, Mrs Prime Minister?- I hope not.
0:49:45 > 0:49:47There's a man's life at stake here.
0:49:47 > 0:49:51When our democracy is 160 years old, we can talk.
0:49:51 > 0:49:55Until then, I will not take any more arrogant lessons from you.
0:49:55 > 0:49:57You still haven't answered my question.
0:49:57 > 0:50:01I expect you to hand over Bayanov before I sign any contract with North Wind.
0:50:05 > 0:50:08Oh, by the way,
0:50:08 > 0:50:14I understand it is your custom to pick the journalists yourself at press conferences.
0:50:14 > 0:50:17- Yes. - Well, I have favour to ask of you.
0:50:23 > 0:50:25Here is...
0:50:25 > 0:50:29a list of journalists that I do not wish to take questions from.
0:50:29 > 0:50:31Please, respect that.
0:50:33 > 0:50:38My nation believes in the principle of free press and will uphold
0:50:38 > 0:50:40and defend this in our constitution.
0:50:40 > 0:50:43Do you recognise it?
0:50:43 > 0:50:48It's part of the OSDD Treaty that you're signing today as the new chairman.
0:50:48 > 0:50:51There is a time and place for free press and critical journalism.
0:50:51 > 0:50:53Today is not one of them.
0:50:53 > 0:50:56No more games, Mrs Prime Minister.
0:51:05 > 0:51:08HUM OF CONVERSATION
0:51:43 > 0:51:47- SHUTTERS CLICK - Ladies and gentlemen of the press, please, take your seats.
0:51:51 > 0:51:53SHUTTERS CLICK, CLAMOURING VOICES
0:51:53 > 0:51:57- Yes.- Lindsay McGill, the Guardian. Is President Grozin satisfied
0:51:57 > 0:51:59with the arrest of Vladimir Bayanov?
0:51:59 > 0:52:05Yes, I'm very happy with the help we have received from our Danish friends.
0:52:07 > 0:52:08TV-1.
0:52:08 > 0:52:10Can the Danish Prime Minister tell us,
0:52:10 > 0:52:14how strong is the evidence against Bayanov?
0:52:14 > 0:52:19That would be a question for the Danish police. I cannot comment on that.
0:52:19 > 0:52:21Was that the last question?
0:52:22 > 0:52:27Before we end this press conference, I'd like to say that the president and I
0:52:27 > 0:52:30have noticed the criticism in the international media
0:52:30 > 0:52:34concerning the fact that Turgisia is taking over the chairmanship
0:52:34 > 0:52:39for the Organisation for Security and Democratic Development.
0:52:39 > 0:52:46But, I'd like to quote President Grozin, from his inauguration speech from 1996.
0:52:46 > 0:52:51"Democracy is not a principle you can bend. It's either-or, it's yes or no.
0:52:51 > 0:52:54"And today my nation, Turgisia,
0:52:54 > 0:52:58"has chosen to say yes to democracy."
0:52:58 > 0:53:00SHUTTERS CLICK
0:53:02 > 0:53:04I think we have the time for just one last question.
0:53:04 > 0:53:06Katrine Fonsmark?
0:53:06 > 0:53:09Yes, this is for President Grozin?
0:53:11 > 0:53:14Does your investment in Danish wind technology depend
0:53:14 > 0:53:17on the arrest and handing over of Vladimir Bayanov?
0:53:19 > 0:53:22SILENCE
0:53:22 > 0:53:23HE CHUCKLES
0:53:28 > 0:53:32I have great faith in the Danish legal system
0:53:32 > 0:53:36and I can assure you that I do not link
0:53:36 > 0:53:39the wind energy deal...
0:53:39 > 0:53:41with the case against Bayanov.
0:53:41 > 0:53:43Thank you, I think that was the last question.
0:53:43 > 0:53:46- You can take some pictures now. - CASCADE OF CLICKING SHUTTERS
0:53:52 > 0:53:56I really appreciate your answer to the last question,
0:53:56 > 0:53:58because I'm not going to hand him over.
0:54:02 > 0:54:05And thank you very much.
0:54:07 > 0:54:09JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS
0:54:45 > 0:54:47TURNS DOWN MUSIC
0:56:03 > 0:56:04< DOOR CLOSES
0:56:52 > 0:56:54WINE GLUGS
0:57:07 > 0:57:09BOTH CHUCKLE
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