0:00:02 > 0:00:04- What's the matter with your hand? - It's these two fingers.
0:00:04 > 0:00:06I think a nerve got stuck or something.
0:00:06 > 0:00:08Have you called the doctor?
0:00:41 > 0:00:46This programme contains some strong language.
0:41:33 > 0:41:37STATION ANNOUNCEMENT
0:42:28 > 0:42:31- Vassily Andrejev?- Katrine?
0:42:31 > 0:42:37- Yes.- Hello.- Hello. - I have some coffee.- Oh, thank you.
0:42:37 > 0:42:40You're welcome.
0:42:40 > 0:42:43- Shall we walk?- Sure.
0:42:44 > 0:42:49- I couldn't go back even if I wanted to.- Oh? Why?
0:42:49 > 0:42:55I happened to leak some information to the CIA. But it's OK.
0:42:55 > 0:43:02I do not miss Moscow. And I am... How would the Americans put it?
0:43:02 > 0:43:04Small potatoes.
0:43:06 > 0:43:09I'm here because I'm trying to defend a man I think is innocent,
0:43:09 > 0:43:13but the media will not let him go.
0:43:13 > 0:43:18You realise I have never spoken about this publicly before, yes?
0:43:18 > 0:43:19Yes.
0:43:22 > 0:43:24I knew Soren Ravn.
0:43:24 > 0:43:29He was a bright young man, and handsome. All the women loved him.
0:43:29 > 0:43:33He was very interesting to us at that time.
0:43:33 > 0:43:36He had a lot of potential for KGB.
0:43:36 > 0:43:38Did you approach him?
0:43:38 > 0:43:41We discussed it several times,
0:43:41 > 0:43:45and we talked about it with our agent, Phoenix.
0:43:45 > 0:43:46- Gorm Kofoed?- Yeah.
0:43:46 > 0:43:51But Phoenix was our most valuable spy in Scandinavia,
0:43:51 > 0:43:56and he told us he thought Ravn might say no if we approached him,
0:43:56 > 0:44:01so we concluded it was too big a risk for us to take,
0:44:01 > 0:44:05because involving Ravn might expose Phoenix.
0:44:05 > 0:44:08So, no - Ravn never worked for us.
0:44:09 > 0:44:10Thank you.
0:44:12 > 0:44:16I have the greatest respect for people who are loyal.
0:44:16 > 0:44:20You'd be surprised to know the many reasons people have
0:44:20 > 0:44:22for betraying their country.
0:44:22 > 0:44:29- Besides ideology?- Yes. In my world, we called them mice.- Mice?
0:44:29 > 0:44:35M is for money, I for ideology, C for crime, E for ego. KATRINE CHUCKLES
0:44:35 > 0:44:40A lot of people do it just so they can feel important.
0:44:58 > 0:45:01- REPORTER:- As a former head of KGB operations in Denmark,
0:45:01 > 0:45:04what is your reaction to the allegations towards Soren Ravn?
0:45:04 > 0:45:09They are complete nonsense. I never employed Soren Ravn,
0:45:09 > 0:45:12and I know for a fact that the Stasi didn't either.
0:45:12 > 0:45:16Also, I am given to understand that the Danish PET also have
0:45:16 > 0:45:19nothing to indicate that Ravn was an agent.
0:45:19 > 0:45:23Pardon me for being so blunt, but couldn't you have some motives
0:45:23 > 0:45:26to conceal the truth if Ravn indeed had been a spy?
0:45:26 > 0:45:28What motives would they be?
0:45:28 > 0:45:30Maybe a loyalty to the KGB?
0:45:30 > 0:45:33There is no loyalty.
0:45:33 > 0:45:36I believe in Western democracy, and I do not believe that
0:45:36 > 0:45:40an innocent man should be punished for things he did not do.
0:45:40 > 0:45:45Kofoed was my spy. Ravn never was. It's as simple as that.
0:46:43 > 0:46:45SHE SIGHS
0:46:50 > 0:46:53PHONE VIBRATES
0:48:43 > 0:48:46BABY CRIES
0:53:51 > 0:53:52OK.
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