0:00:34 > 0:00:35What are you looking at?
0:00:43 > 0:00:44Have you got a problem?
0:00:56 > 0:00:58MUSIC PLAYS
0:01:09 > 0:01:11Eh, eh! When will you be back?
0:01:11 > 0:01:13As soon as my session's finished.
0:01:13 > 0:01:15PHONE RINGS
0:01:15 > 0:01:20Mill Health Centre, how may I help you? Yes, Dr Tyler.
0:01:20 > 0:01:24I will look up his...
0:01:24 > 0:01:26Dr Carmickey.
0:01:26 > 0:01:31- Right, the number is 0-7-7-0... - Doctor Carm...!
0:01:31 > 0:01:34I am on the phone. Just give me a second.
0:01:35 > 0:01:410-7-7-0-0 9-0-0-8-6-1.
0:01:41 > 0:01:45Mh-mm. And his name is Gary Webster.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51Did you get that, Dr Tyler?
0:01:52 > 0:01:53Good.
0:01:56 > 0:02:00You have an appointment with Dr Carmichael?
0:02:00 > 0:02:02Yeah. Ten.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- That is in 15 minutes. - Can't she see me now?
0:02:05 > 0:02:07- This gentleman is before you. - Can't I go before him?
0:02:07 > 0:02:09Absolutely not.
0:02:09 > 0:02:11- What is your name?- Jade Jackman.
0:02:11 > 0:02:14Look, you don't mind if I go first, do you?
0:02:14 > 0:02:15Mrs Jackman...
0:02:15 > 0:02:17Miss. It's miss.
0:02:19 > 0:02:23No, you cannot go first.
0:02:23 > 0:02:24Now sit.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34MOBILE PHONE RINGS
0:02:38 > 0:02:40- Hello?- Hi, Mr Webster?
0:02:40 > 0:02:41Yeah?
0:02:41 > 0:02:43It's Dr Tyler from the Mill Health Centre.
0:02:43 > 0:02:46I've got an appointment to see your parents at their home,
0:02:46 > 0:02:49but nobody's answering. Do you know anything, have they spoken to you?
0:02:49 > 0:02:50'No. I haven't heard anything.'
0:02:50 > 0:02:53With my dad in his condition, they don't get out much.
0:02:53 > 0:02:55If they do, I usually drive them.
0:02:55 > 0:02:59Well, it's just I can hear music playing inside the house.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- Do you have keys? - Do you think something's happened?
0:03:01 > 0:03:04I don't want to worry you, I'm sure it's nothing, but at their age,
0:03:04 > 0:03:07I'd rather make sure everything is OK.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09Yeah, um...I'm coming.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20You going to lecture me?
0:03:20 > 0:03:23I'm a doctor not a lecturer.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26Why is it doctors and posh people
0:03:26 > 0:03:29always think they can tell you what you should be doing
0:03:29 > 0:03:31and how you should be behaving?
0:03:31 > 0:03:33Talk to the hand? How retro.
0:03:33 > 0:03:34What?
0:03:34 > 0:03:37So, this appointment is to keep up with your asthma.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39How's it been going?
0:03:39 > 0:03:40The same. I didn't even want to come.
0:03:40 > 0:03:43Nobody made you, but, hey, you're here now.
0:03:43 > 0:03:47So, loosen your top, please, I'll listen to your breathing.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55Look...the attitude... it impresses no-one.
0:03:55 > 0:03:57And yours does?
0:03:57 > 0:04:02Listen, Lady Muck, you think I was too stupid to not get knocked up?
0:04:02 > 0:04:04You think you can talk down to me?
0:04:04 > 0:04:06Well, I'm not having it.
0:04:06 > 0:04:08You know nothing about me, right?
0:04:13 > 0:04:15This is a no smoking building.
0:04:17 > 0:04:20I can see that we have a lot of work to do.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29Yeah, I spoke to them last night,
0:04:29 > 0:04:31if they were going somewhere, I thought they would've said.
0:04:31 > 0:04:34Mum? Dad?
0:04:37 > 0:04:38That's their song.
0:04:38 > 0:04:40It's been on repeat since I got here.
0:04:45 > 0:04:47They did it...
0:04:47 > 0:04:48They actually did it.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52Did what?
0:04:53 > 0:04:55Call an ambulance.
0:04:55 > 0:04:56Is that their medication?
0:05:00 > 0:05:03I need an ambulance, please.
0:05:03 > 0:05:04Your mum's still alive. Come here.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07I need you to keep an eye on her pulse for me.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10Hello, hi...just a minute.
0:05:10 > 0:05:12- Feel that?- Yeah.- Count out for me.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15Hi. This is Dr Tyler from the Mill Health Centre.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19I need an ambulance, please.
0:05:19 > 0:05:20..three...
0:05:20 > 0:05:24- Yeah, two patients...- ..four... - ..one in cardiac arrest.- ..five.
0:05:24 > 0:05:27I'm at 19 Wallsend Terrace. OK, thank you.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29Your dad's heart's stopped.
0:05:29 > 0:05:31I need you to help me get him to the floor.
0:05:34 > 0:05:35Slowly!
0:05:35 > 0:05:37You need to understand why you shouldn't be smoking.
0:05:40 > 0:05:44Firstly, there's your chronic asthma. Secondly, there's the baby.
0:05:44 > 0:05:47Now, let me reassure you that I would not think twice
0:05:47 > 0:05:52about wasting your time, but I do not waste my own.
0:05:52 > 0:05:54This is important. For both of you.
0:05:54 > 0:05:58Smoking can damage the placenta and the umbilical cord,
0:05:58 > 0:06:01so that there is less oxygen in both your and the baby's blood.
0:06:01 > 0:06:04The poor little thing's heart has to work so much harder.
0:06:04 > 0:06:06- You done?- What?
0:06:08 > 0:06:12I don't need an old, stuck up doctor bint
0:06:12 > 0:06:14telling me how to look after my baby.
0:06:19 > 0:06:21Keep counting out loud for me.
0:06:23 > 0:06:24KNOCK ON DOOR
0:06:24 > 0:06:26I'm in here! In the living room!
0:06:27 > 0:06:30Two patients, one male, one female.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32The male's been in cardiac arrest
0:06:32 > 0:06:34and receiving CPR for at least five minutes.
0:06:34 > 0:06:36The female is still alive.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39I think she's tachycardic. About 115.
0:06:39 > 0:06:42She's also hypovolaemic. I think she might have an internal bleed.
0:06:45 > 0:06:46Give them some space.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49I'm going to go with them.
0:06:49 > 0:06:52OK, well, let them do their thing. I'll take you to the hospital.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- Wait!- You want more?
0:07:12 > 0:07:15A girl has every right to stick up for herself.
0:07:15 > 0:07:16I know I do.
0:07:17 > 0:07:20Come back in here and hear me out.
0:07:22 > 0:07:25If you think I'm talking down to you, you can just say.
0:07:26 > 0:07:30I still get paid. So, you're not getting one over on me by going.
0:07:30 > 0:07:31You're just missing out on things
0:07:31 > 0:07:33that are going to make your baby healthy.
0:07:33 > 0:07:36And you don't want that, do you?
0:07:45 > 0:07:46I'm sure your mum will be fine.
0:07:48 > 0:07:49What...
0:07:49 > 0:07:51what about my dad?
0:07:54 > 0:07:58How much had your parents told you about their medical conditions?
0:07:58 > 0:08:01Dad's got mid-stage Alzheimer's, and Mum...
0:08:01 > 0:08:03she was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
0:08:06 > 0:08:08How was she bearing up?
0:08:09 > 0:08:12Did your dad know about her condition?
0:08:12 > 0:08:13Yes.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18Some prescription medications can't be taken
0:08:18 > 0:08:20with over-the-counter drugs.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22It's dangerous. I have told your parents that.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28I'm sorry. It's just that...
0:08:30 > 0:08:31We'll talk about it later.
0:09:06 > 0:09:07Uh, OK...
0:09:10 > 0:09:14I'm really sorry, but your... your father's passed away.
0:09:23 > 0:09:29When they got him into Resus, he had an advanced decision in his pocket.
0:09:29 > 0:09:32Saying he didn't want any further treatment.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34Do you know anything about it?
0:09:36 > 0:09:40Yeah, he did that last year. I should've said, you know...
0:09:40 > 0:09:45Sorry, with everything that was going on, I didn't, um...
0:09:45 > 0:09:47He always said he didn't want to be a burden.
0:09:53 > 0:09:55Your mum's still alive and fighting.
0:09:58 > 0:10:01I know this is a really difficult time for you,
0:10:01 > 0:10:02but I have to get back to the Mill.
0:10:04 > 0:10:05Are you going to be OK?
0:10:05 > 0:10:07Yeah, I'm going to be all right.
0:10:09 > 0:10:15If you need to see him, or your mum, the staff will take care of it.
0:10:15 > 0:10:16- OK?- Yeah.
0:10:18 > 0:10:20Once again, I'm really sorry, mate.
0:10:28 > 0:10:31What I heard is smoking doesn't do that much damage.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33So what if the baby's a bit smaller?
0:10:33 > 0:10:37That makes being born easier. For me and the baby.
0:10:37 > 0:10:40- That's good, isn't it?- You heard?
0:10:40 > 0:10:43Yeah. My mate Shaznay, she's had babies.
0:10:43 > 0:10:45She knows what she's talking about.
0:10:45 > 0:10:51OK... I... I see where you're coming from.
0:10:51 > 0:10:55Look, I've had a baby, so I'm not just a doctor.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58I do actually know what I'm talking about.
0:10:58 > 0:11:01Firstly, your body, it's built for this.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03Especially someone as young as you.
0:11:03 > 0:11:05The baby being smaller, it's going to make no difference.
0:11:05 > 0:11:09Secondly, there just is no upside to smoking while you're pregnant.
0:11:11 > 0:11:16Because the baby's heart is smaller, it has to work that much harder.
0:11:16 > 0:11:20Its lungs are small, its organs are small...
0:11:20 > 0:11:23Smoking while pregnant can lead to miscarriage,
0:11:23 > 0:11:26it can cause premature birth, illness after birth.
0:11:26 > 0:11:28I don't mean to scare you, but this is the reality.
0:11:28 > 0:11:31There is a proven link between smoking and cot death.
0:11:31 > 0:11:36But it is not too late to do your baby good by quitting.
0:11:38 > 0:11:39I was going to chuck it anyway.
0:11:39 > 0:11:43- Have you seen the price of fags lately?- Extortionate.
0:11:43 > 0:11:45Think of all the vodka I could buy with the money!
0:11:47 > 0:11:48Kidding!
0:11:51 > 0:11:55OK, let's settle down and get started, shall we?
0:11:55 > 0:11:58Karen? Are you all right?
0:12:00 > 0:12:03You're not looking terribly relaxed. Has something happened?
0:12:03 > 0:12:06Um...I want to talk about something different today.
0:12:06 > 0:12:08OK, what?
0:12:09 > 0:12:10My children.
0:12:17 > 0:12:18Are you all right, Dr Tyler?
0:12:18 > 0:12:20Yeah. I'll be fine.
0:12:21 > 0:12:25Ah, Dr Tyler. I heard what happened. Do you need any time?
0:12:25 > 0:12:27No, patients worrying themselves sick
0:12:27 > 0:12:30when there's nothing wrong with them are exactly what I need right now.
0:12:30 > 0:12:33The Mill Health Centre. How may I help you?
0:12:34 > 0:12:36Uh...who is speaking please?
0:12:37 > 0:12:39Gary Webster.
0:12:42 > 0:12:43Hi.
0:12:43 > 0:12:47Talking about your children would be a big breakthrough.
0:12:47 > 0:12:48But it's a huge step.
0:12:48 > 0:12:52- Are you absolutely sure that you want to?- No, I don't want to.
0:12:52 > 0:12:54It's difficult and it's all stuff that I don't understand,
0:12:54 > 0:12:58but I need to talk about them, I need to understand it all.
0:12:58 > 0:13:00I'm not sure how many parents feel
0:13:00 > 0:13:03that they really understand their children.
0:13:03 > 0:13:05Some very happy families can feel
0:13:05 > 0:13:07as if they've got an alien in the house.
0:13:10 > 0:13:14I know that not facing this,
0:13:14 > 0:13:20and hoping it'll all sort itself out...it isn't working.
0:13:20 > 0:13:22Ignoring them...
0:13:22 > 0:13:24is making things worse.
0:13:26 > 0:13:28Can I, please?
0:13:28 > 0:13:29It's your session.
0:13:34 > 0:13:36'This is so hard...'
0:13:37 > 0:13:39'..but it's the right thing to do.'
0:13:48 > 0:13:49Here you go.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58I need to know what you saw back there...
0:13:58 > 0:13:59at the house.
0:13:59 > 0:14:02Erm... well, I guess you nailed it.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06I think your parents decided for reasons I can only guess at
0:14:06 > 0:14:08- to take their...- It was an accident.
0:14:08 > 0:14:10That's what you have to tell the police.
0:14:10 > 0:14:12Gary, I'll tell them what I saw.
0:14:12 > 0:14:14I'm not going to lie.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17With your mum's metastatic cancer and your dad's Alzheimer's,
0:14:17 > 0:14:21it's easy to understand why they wanted dignity and control.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23And the advanced decision in your dad's pocket
0:14:23 > 0:14:24tells us all we need to know.
0:14:24 > 0:14:26Mum and Dad had a lot on their plates.
0:14:26 > 0:14:28They made a big mistake.
0:14:28 > 0:14:31They knew what they were doing.
0:14:31 > 0:14:33- And there's the music. - It was an accident.
0:14:33 > 0:14:37The one song, their song, stuck on repeat?
0:14:37 > 0:14:39They wanted it to be the last thing they heard.
0:14:39 > 0:14:42I'm sorry, I understand that you're upset, but...
0:14:42 > 0:14:45Mum's still hanging in there. She's got a gastrointestinal bleed.
0:14:45 > 0:14:47They're operating on her.
0:14:47 > 0:14:49I don't want her living the time she has left
0:14:49 > 0:14:52with a manslaughter charge hanging over her.
0:14:52 > 0:14:54- They wouldn't... - I spoke to them at the hospital.
0:14:54 > 0:14:57- DS Cooper?- Yeah.
0:14:57 > 0:15:01He said a charge is a possibility if they think that she killed Dad.
0:15:03 > 0:15:07- Look, you're just going to say what you saw, yeah?- Yeah.
0:15:08 > 0:15:10Well then, you didn't see anything
0:15:10 > 0:15:12that makes it look like it wasn't an accident.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20Exhale.
0:15:20 > 0:15:23- SHE COUGHS - Right.
0:15:24 > 0:15:26Does your asthma disturb your sleep?
0:15:26 > 0:15:30I like my sleep. It's this little pest that disturbs it.
0:15:30 > 0:15:31He's just like his dad.
0:15:31 > 0:15:35Likes to make things difficult for me.
0:15:35 > 0:15:37Is he around?
0:15:37 > 0:15:39He wants to be. For now.
0:15:39 > 0:15:42But I'm not going to wait till he decides to do one.
0:15:42 > 0:15:45So, you think he's going to walk out on you?
0:15:45 > 0:15:48Well, his brother did the same to his girl and baby.
0:15:48 > 0:15:53And whatever big brother does, Marley does. We're always fighting.
0:15:53 > 0:15:55He'll get sick of it, and "whoosh."
0:15:55 > 0:15:58So, you don't wait for people to let you down?
0:15:58 > 0:15:59Problem with that?
0:15:59 > 0:16:04No, just getting your retaliation in first.
0:16:04 > 0:16:06Sometimes you can be your own worst enemy.
0:16:06 > 0:16:08Just saying.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11Anyway, as I expected, we have to keep an eye on your asthma,
0:16:11 > 0:16:14especially once the baby comes.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17But quitting smoking will have really helped.
0:16:17 > 0:16:19Are you planning on breast-feeding?
0:16:19 > 0:16:23Not a chance. Once he's here, I want my body back.
0:16:23 > 0:16:24I'm not having saggy boobs.
0:16:24 > 0:16:27Well, you're not necessarily going to get...
0:16:27 > 0:16:29Of course, it's your decision.
0:16:29 > 0:16:31For a young woman like you, your body is important,
0:16:31 > 0:16:34but of course for a young woman like you, it's going to be
0:16:34 > 0:16:37much more likely that everything snaps back into place.
0:16:38 > 0:16:40But not at your age, eh?
0:16:40 > 0:16:42Well, not necessarily.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45Let's just say I'd have to put a little more work in.
0:16:45 > 0:16:49I've got more than 20 years to pick up with the kids...
0:16:49 > 0:16:50and I don't know how.
0:16:52 > 0:16:56I mean, it's...it's one thing dating Rob, because we can...
0:16:56 > 0:16:58- Rediscover each other?- Yes.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02I mean, we can fall for each all over again...
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- if the things that made it happen in the first place are still...- Mm-hm.
0:17:06 > 0:17:08..and that makes me feel...
0:17:10 > 0:17:14Cos Rob is...
0:17:14 > 0:17:17is like a rock, an anchor.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22And with everything else, I feel lost, but when Rob is there...
0:17:25 > 0:17:28I think I'm falling in love with him.
0:17:28 > 0:17:30- Again.- Again. Yeah.
0:17:31 > 0:17:34Do you need to resolve things with your children
0:17:34 > 0:17:36for the sake of you and your children,
0:17:36 > 0:17:38or for the sake of you and Rob?
0:17:39 > 0:17:40Both, I think.
0:17:42 > 0:17:45Cos it's, um... Its starting to click with Rob
0:17:45 > 0:17:49and I'm just waiting for the moment when it...
0:17:49 > 0:17:52Clicks? With Jack?
0:17:54 > 0:17:58And Imogen? And you have all those feelings again?
0:18:00 > 0:18:05It doesn't happen all the time, but there was, um...
0:18:05 > 0:18:08There was this thing with Immie.
0:18:08 > 0:18:12There was a moment when I almost felt that bond.
0:18:14 > 0:18:15And then it was gone.
0:18:17 > 0:18:22Sometimes, our relationships with our children...
0:18:22 > 0:18:24they're based on a shared history.
0:18:26 > 0:18:28But there is no history. It's gone.
0:18:28 > 0:18:32Does that mean I can't pick things up with Jack and Immie?
0:18:32 > 0:18:34No. No, not at all.
0:18:34 > 0:18:36- FIRE ALARM RINGS - Ugh...
0:18:37 > 0:18:40You just know that someone's gone and burnt toast or something.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43Look, we are going to continue with this.
0:18:47 > 0:18:49Karen?
0:18:52 > 0:18:56If I tell the police the truth that they knew the dangers,
0:18:56 > 0:18:59and if I mention the music, then they're going to know
0:18:59 > 0:19:02it wasn't an accident and they might charge her.
0:19:02 > 0:19:04Well, it's clearly a very difficult situation.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07Are you sure it was a joint enterprise?
0:19:07 > 0:19:09I think so. I think it's what the father wanted.
0:19:09 > 0:19:12Well, the poor woman is going to have to live with the consequences.
0:19:12 > 0:19:15Even if she survives the operation, she hasn't got much time left.
0:19:15 > 0:19:18So, what is the point in putting her through this?
0:19:18 > 0:19:20Let her live and die in peace.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23So, you think I should lie and not tell them what I know?
0:19:23 > 0:19:24It's not our decision to make.
0:19:24 > 0:19:26If this is a potential criminal case...
0:19:26 > 0:19:29Daniel, why are you taking the moral high ground?
0:19:29 > 0:19:31Because I don't think Kevin should lie to the police.
0:19:31 > 0:19:33I don't think he'll be very good at it, for one.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36And I'm sorry, Kevin, if this woman killed her husband
0:19:36 > 0:19:38with or without his informed consent, that is a crime.
0:19:38 > 0:19:41False alarm. You can all go back to your offices now.
0:19:55 > 0:19:58'Hi, it's Rob Hollins, please leave a message. Thanks.'
0:20:04 > 0:20:05Karen!
0:20:05 > 0:20:08There you are. I thought you'd left.
0:20:08 > 0:20:11Ugh, can you believe someone tried to sneak a cigarette?
0:20:11 > 0:20:14Anyway, we're not finished.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16We have to try to understand where we'd got to.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19Um, where we'd got to is, um, I can pick things up with Rob,
0:20:19 > 0:20:21but I don't know my children.
0:20:22 > 0:20:26It's like I gave them away when they were babies,
0:20:26 > 0:20:28and now, I don't know what to say to them.
0:20:30 > 0:20:32I'm scared.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36- Good. Because it is scary. - No, you don't...
0:20:39 > 0:20:43Look, let's go back. We'll carry on.
0:20:45 > 0:20:47But first, why don't you tell me
0:20:47 > 0:20:50what it is you're holding back from this session.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58Yeah, OK, got that. Cheers.
0:20:59 > 0:21:01Dr Tyler! How are you?
0:21:02 > 0:21:06- Fine.- DS Cooper, we met when... - Yeah, I remember you.
0:21:08 > 0:21:10Good. Must be a nice change not being a suspect.
0:21:10 > 0:21:12Yeah, something like that.
0:21:12 > 0:21:14That was St Phil's.
0:21:14 > 0:21:17It looks like they've moved Mrs Webster to ITU.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20- They've turned off the tap, they think she's going to survive.- Good.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23The son, fair enough, he's grieving but he's a pain.
0:21:25 > 0:21:27Well, look, the situation is, um, well...
0:21:27 > 0:21:29the investigation's going to continue.
0:21:29 > 0:21:33Worst case, the CPS may push a murder charge on Mrs Webster,
0:21:33 > 0:21:35but that would be difficult.
0:21:35 > 0:21:39I mean, no-one wants to put a sick, elderly widow through this.
0:21:39 > 0:21:42I mean, by the time we've completed all the due process,
0:21:42 > 0:21:45the old biddy may be dead or too sick to prosecute anyway.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48Unless I've got any concrete reason not to,
0:21:48 > 0:21:50I'm inclined to treat this as a tragic accident.
0:21:52 > 0:21:55I just want facts. What you saw and what you did.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02So, Dr Tyler, I've had a look at the scene and...
0:22:02 > 0:22:05I haven't seen anything that rules out an accidental overdose.
0:22:05 > 0:22:08Have you? Based on what you saw.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12- I...uh...- Take your time.
0:22:17 > 0:22:18No.
0:22:20 > 0:22:21OK. Well...um...
0:22:23 > 0:22:25We'll get a formal statement from you in due course.
0:22:25 > 0:22:26Cheers.
0:22:30 > 0:22:34Listen, if you don't want to tell me, that's OK.
0:22:34 > 0:22:37The important thing is that you feel ready to say it.
0:22:40 > 0:22:45But the thing is, whatever it is looks to me like it's...
0:22:45 > 0:22:48an obstacle to progress.
0:22:51 > 0:22:56The fire alarm's over. Nothing's going to interrupt us now.
0:23:00 > 0:23:03An observation... Is it Jack?
0:23:09 > 0:23:11When we met, I didn't know who he was.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16I just thought he was a nice looking lad...
0:23:16 > 0:23:18and he was friendly.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22I kissed him.
0:23:27 > 0:23:30And this was just after your accident?
0:23:30 > 0:23:34And he didn't identify himself as your son?
0:23:34 > 0:23:38No, he must've been freaked out by everything that had happened.
0:23:41 > 0:23:45This sounds like a misunderstanding, nothing more.
0:23:46 > 0:23:49Possibly, there were emotions there,
0:23:49 > 0:23:52seeing your son that you didn't fully understand.
0:23:53 > 0:23:57But you were very ill and very confused.
0:24:01 > 0:24:04Do you feel better for getting this out?
0:24:10 > 0:24:12Do you think I should forgive myself?
0:24:12 > 0:24:13No.
0:24:15 > 0:24:18There's nothing to forgive. It's really nothing much.
0:24:19 > 0:24:22It's awful, it's gross.
0:24:22 > 0:24:23It's nothing.
0:24:23 > 0:24:31And calling it gross and awful just empowers it. Can you see that?
0:24:31 > 0:24:35You can overcome this, if you take control of it.
0:24:35 > 0:24:37Have you met with Jack since?
0:24:37 > 0:24:38No.
0:24:40 > 0:24:42Then, what do you think the next step is?
0:24:44 > 0:24:45Meet him?
0:24:47 > 0:24:50I'd suggest with Rob and Immie, not alone.
0:24:50 > 0:24:53Not because something might happen,
0:24:53 > 0:24:56but because you need them to be part of this.
0:24:58 > 0:25:01Has Jack made any attempts to stay in contact?
0:25:03 > 0:25:04- Yeah.- Good.
0:25:10 > 0:25:12Go on in, yes? Go on in.
0:25:17 > 0:25:21I...I'm sorry about earlier. I panicked a bit.
0:25:21 > 0:25:25I didn't want Mum to suffer any more than she already has.
0:25:25 > 0:25:26You were out of order.
0:25:28 > 0:25:31Well, um, thanks for everything that you did, you know.
0:25:33 > 0:25:35I've spoken to the police.
0:25:36 > 0:25:37You can relax.
0:25:40 > 0:25:42- You did the right thing.- Really?
0:25:45 > 0:25:47Look, if you want to help your mum,
0:25:47 > 0:25:50stop telling everyone it was an accident.
0:25:50 > 0:25:52All that does is make people look more closely, all right?
0:25:54 > 0:25:57Yeah, you should, um, come in, see what it means to the family.
0:25:59 > 0:26:01Thanks, but I've got to get back.
0:26:10 > 0:26:15Good, I think that's the strategy we need to work on for now.
0:26:15 > 0:26:18Focusing on a shared history that you can't access
0:26:18 > 0:26:19is just a brick wall.
0:26:19 > 0:26:21Yeah, but that's the thing we've got in common.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24I think it'll help if you and Rob
0:26:24 > 0:26:26only talk about the children as they are now.
0:26:26 > 0:26:29Take it gradually.
0:26:29 > 0:26:33Focusing on a future that you can all share is far more fruitful.
0:26:34 > 0:26:36You have to be committed to this.
0:26:37 > 0:26:39And then, I think the next step
0:26:39 > 0:26:41is to get you and me and Rob together for a session.
0:26:41 > 0:26:43And then the children.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47Is that a problem?
0:26:47 > 0:26:48Yeah.
0:26:50 > 0:26:53Um...I'm not sure there is a Rob and me any more.
0:26:59 > 0:27:03I'm going to get pregnant again. As soon as possible.
0:27:03 > 0:27:05You're not an easy girl to find, Jade.
0:27:05 > 0:27:08Couldn't have looked hard enough. Look at the size of me!
0:27:08 > 0:27:09I talked to Mandy about getting pregnant!
0:27:09 > 0:27:12Did Mandy actually say it would be OK?
0:27:12 > 0:27:15I breast-fed my son. And I can assure you that my boobs
0:27:15 > 0:27:17- are not down to my knees.- Whatever.
0:27:17 > 0:27:18Why did you do it?