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0:00:28 > 0:00:30- KNOCK AT DOOR - Jake? You up yet?

0:00:30 > 0:00:33Yeah, course. Be down in a bit.

0:00:34 > 0:00:36Don't come in!

0:00:36 > 0:00:37Why, what are you doing?

0:00:37 > 0:00:38Don't go there.

0:00:38 > 0:00:40Teenage boys, eh?

0:00:40 > 0:00:41You were one once.

0:00:41 > 0:00:44Yeah. But I didn't have the internet.

0:00:47 > 0:00:48Jake, five minutes!

0:00:52 > 0:00:55When you are consumed by self-pity,

0:00:55 > 0:00:59try turning its conceited logic upside down.

0:00:59 > 0:01:03Instead of resigning yourself to the worst, be ready to put up a fight.

0:01:03 > 0:01:06Why waste time feeling sorry for yourself

0:01:06 > 0:01:08when you still have the opportunity to be brave?

0:01:10 > 0:01:13- Mm, see?- Mm.- Tough love, just when I needed it most.

0:01:15 > 0:01:18Oh, she's such an inspiration.

0:01:18 > 0:01:20No, actually, she's more than that - she is my guardian angel.

0:01:20 > 0:01:23I put agony aunts in the same bracket as faith healers

0:01:23 > 0:01:25and astrologers.

0:01:25 > 0:01:28Well, Alice is not your regular agony aunt.

0:01:28 > 0:01:31It's a totally free service. She's not doing it for the money,

0:01:31 > 0:01:33just for the warm glow you get from helping others.

0:01:33 > 0:01:36I know that warm glow very well myself.

0:01:36 > 0:01:38Alice is a qualified psychotherapist.

0:01:38 > 0:01:39HE LAUGHS

0:01:39 > 0:01:41Yeah, course she is(!)

0:01:41 > 0:01:43Well, you can be cynical all you want.

0:01:43 > 0:01:47The fact is, her wise words helped save me from the pit of despair.

0:01:47 > 0:01:50Well, whatever it took, Valerie.

0:01:50 > 0:01:52I can't wait to meet her in person.

0:01:52 > 0:01:55I already feel like we're bezzie mates.

0:01:55 > 0:01:58So, did you have any joy with that IP address?

0:01:58 > 0:02:00Yes. Yes, I did.

0:02:01 > 0:02:03Now, keep this under your hat, right?

0:02:03 > 0:02:06I'm not supposed to be doing the whole surveillance thing any more.

0:02:06 > 0:02:09Mm. Mum's the word.

0:02:16 > 0:02:18- Oh, good morning, Doctor Reid. - Morning.

0:02:18 > 0:02:20I was not expecting you in today.

0:02:20 > 0:02:21Really? Why?

0:02:21 > 0:02:23Well, you have had a lot to deal with this last week.

0:02:23 > 0:02:25Yes, well, it's no good moping, is it?

0:02:27 > 0:02:28Anyway, I've got reports to do.

0:02:28 > 0:02:30Morning!

0:02:30 > 0:02:32Someone seems to be in high spirits.

0:02:32 > 0:02:36Yes, well, I think happiness is a choice sometimes, isn't it?

0:02:36 > 0:02:39Yes, yes, I suppose so.

0:02:39 > 0:02:42If we wait to be made happy by something or somebody else,

0:02:42 > 0:02:45then we'd spend a lot of our lives being miserable.

0:02:45 > 0:02:48That's what a very wise friend once taught me.

0:02:58 > 0:02:59We're late.

0:02:59 > 0:03:01Where's the old picture?

0:03:01 > 0:03:03What?

0:03:04 > 0:03:06The one of you and Mum.

0:03:07 > 0:03:09Made you get rid of it, did she?

0:03:09 > 0:03:11No.

0:03:11 > 0:03:14It's been over a year now, Jake.

0:03:20 > 0:03:25When you deliver a child, you have a special connection with them.

0:03:25 > 0:03:28Not just with them, but the whole family.

0:03:28 > 0:03:31And the fact that this birth was so difficult,

0:03:31 > 0:03:33it makes that bond even more intense.

0:03:33 > 0:03:37I haven't processed it properly. Not yet.

0:03:37 > 0:03:39I keep going over everything, Emma.

0:03:40 > 0:03:43What if it wasn't an accident? What if we missed something?

0:03:43 > 0:03:46I thought you were on Rhiannon's side?

0:03:46 > 0:03:48I am. I was.

0:03:48 > 0:03:50- It just makes you re-evaluate. - Does it?

0:03:50 > 0:03:55I just think that maybe... Maybe we had blinkers on.

0:03:55 > 0:03:58We wanted to think the best of her, give her the benefit of the doubt.

0:03:58 > 0:04:01And that's as it should be. Everyone deserves a second chance.

0:04:01 > 0:04:03Yeah, of course they do.

0:04:03 > 0:04:07But we were so eager not to judge her.

0:04:08 > 0:04:10I just wondered if we were blinded by it a bit.

0:04:10 > 0:04:11KNOCK AT DOOR

0:04:12 > 0:04:13Come in.

0:04:15 > 0:04:18Oh, I am sorry, I'm not interrupting?

0:04:18 > 0:04:19No, not at all.

0:04:19 > 0:04:22Sergeant Hollins has just called.

0:04:22 > 0:04:25He would like to speak to you both today.

0:04:25 > 0:04:26At the station?

0:04:26 > 0:04:30No. No, here at the Mill. He wants statements.

0:04:37 > 0:04:39Can I help?

0:04:39 > 0:04:40You already have.

0:04:45 > 0:04:47Do I know you?

0:04:47 > 0:04:48I'm Valerie.

0:04:48 > 0:04:49Valerie?

0:04:49 > 0:04:51Valerie Pitman.

0:04:51 > 0:04:53Sorry, not ringing any bells.

0:04:53 > 0:04:56Yes, sorry, it must be difficult for you to keep track.

0:04:56 > 0:05:00I am just one of the many lost and frightened souls,

0:05:00 > 0:05:03who you've soothed with your wise words online.

0:05:04 > 0:05:08Here's a small token of my appreciation.

0:05:08 > 0:05:10You took some tracking down.

0:05:10 > 0:05:13Fortunately, one of my colleagues at work is an IT boffin.

0:05:13 > 0:05:14I can't accept these.

0:05:14 > 0:05:17You were there for me when no-one else was.

0:05:17 > 0:05:20Need I mention the dreaded Ashley Mackintosh?

0:05:20 > 0:05:23Really, you've got the wrong person.

0:05:23 > 0:05:25Oh, sorry, have I broken protocol?

0:05:27 > 0:05:29No, I understand, you have to guard your privacy.

0:05:31 > 0:05:32I just wanted to say "thanks."

0:05:33 > 0:05:38You are a beautiful person, Alice Haslett.

0:05:38 > 0:05:39I'm not Alice.

0:05:40 > 0:05:42Alice is dead.

0:05:44 > 0:05:45What?

0:05:45 > 0:05:47I don't understand.

0:05:49 > 0:05:50Would you like to come in?

0:06:01 > 0:06:05Ryan, this is Valerie, a friend of Alice's.

0:06:07 > 0:06:11Well, I never actually met her. But I feel as if I knew her.

0:06:11 > 0:06:14She was very helpful to me, via the website.

0:06:14 > 0:06:15Right.

0:06:15 > 0:06:18- Are you're her... ? - Husband.

0:06:18 > 0:06:22Oh, I'm so sorry for your loss. When did she pass?

0:06:23 > 0:06:24Take a seat.

0:06:26 > 0:06:27It was June.

0:06:28 > 0:06:30Sorry, did you say June?

0:06:30 > 0:06:32Yeah. Third of June.

0:06:32 > 0:06:33That's not possible.

0:06:34 > 0:06:38We were in touch in December, on several occasions.

0:06:38 > 0:06:40I think you're mistaken.

0:06:40 > 0:06:42And then again just the other week.

0:06:42 > 0:06:46I told her that I was in remission, and she responded to my message.

0:06:56 > 0:07:02OK, you're right to feel aggrieved about the Anthony business.

0:07:04 > 0:07:07I should've apologised a long time ago.

0:07:07 > 0:07:08But you didn't.

0:07:09 > 0:07:11No. I didn't.

0:07:12 > 0:07:14But I am now.

0:07:16 > 0:07:17Apology accepted.

0:07:24 > 0:07:28Maybe you should consider if there's anyone else you've offended.

0:07:33 > 0:07:35If you click on the subject headings,

0:07:35 > 0:07:36you can see the latest blogs.

0:07:36 > 0:07:38This one was posted yesterday.

0:07:38 > 0:07:40Do you think it's been hacked?

0:07:40 > 0:07:42It must've been.

0:07:42 > 0:07:45Does it store people's bank details? I thought it was free to use.

0:07:45 > 0:07:48It is. Or, at least, it was.

0:07:48 > 0:07:50Alice never made a penny from it.

0:07:50 > 0:07:51No, it's still free.

0:07:51 > 0:07:56If there's no financial incentive, why would someone pretend to be her?

0:07:56 > 0:07:57I've no idea.

0:07:57 > 0:08:00It's very odd. I can't explain it.

0:08:00 > 0:08:05Well, whoever it is, they are very well-informed, and sincere.

0:08:05 > 0:08:07I was completely taken in.

0:08:07 > 0:08:10If this is a joke, they've got a pretty sick sense of humour.

0:08:10 > 0:08:14There are lots of weird people out there, especially on the internet.

0:08:14 > 0:08:16Look, I'm not much of an expert at IT,

0:08:16 > 0:08:18but I'll speak to one of my work colleagues.

0:08:18 > 0:08:20He'll know how to shut it down.

0:08:29 > 0:08:32I'm sorry that you didn't get to meet Alice.

0:08:32 > 0:08:35She was very special. One of a kind.

0:08:35 > 0:08:36Oh, don't forget these.

0:08:36 > 0:08:38I'm sure you can find a home for them.

0:08:39 > 0:08:42- Bit early, aren't you? - Revision time.

0:08:46 > 0:08:47Mind how you go.

0:08:47 > 0:08:49Thank you. Take care.

0:08:58 > 0:09:00Thank you for sparing your valuable time.

0:09:00 > 0:09:02No problem.

0:09:04 > 0:09:05As I'm sure you've guessed,

0:09:05 > 0:09:09I'm here to talk about Rhiannon Davis and Paul Cuthbert.

0:09:09 > 0:09:12But first of all, let me get you up to speed.

0:09:12 > 0:09:15Although we haven't discounted the possibility that Nicolas'

0:09:15 > 0:09:20death was an accident, we are running other lines of inquiry.

0:09:21 > 0:09:22What do you mean?

0:09:22 > 0:09:25Rhiannon has made a very serious accusation against Paul.

0:09:25 > 0:09:27We've taken statements from both of them,

0:09:27 > 0:09:29and they are completely different,

0:09:29 > 0:09:32so, for now, they are both under arrest.

0:09:36 > 0:09:39" 'Curiouser and curiouser,' cried Alice."

0:09:39 > 0:09:40What is it?

0:09:40 > 0:09:43Well, this IP address has been used to update the website,

0:09:43 > 0:09:47before and after June 2015.

0:09:47 > 0:09:49But someone's hacked into that IP address, haven't they?

0:09:49 > 0:09:51No, it's not easy to hack an IP address,

0:09:51 > 0:09:54without having remote access to the computer.

0:09:54 > 0:09:57For that, you'd need a rootkit or a virus,

0:09:57 > 0:10:00but this don't look very virus-y to me.

0:10:00 > 0:10:05No, I would say your so-called "hacker" is a lot closer to home.

0:10:05 > 0:10:07Why's that?

0:10:07 > 0:10:11It's obvious, isn't it? They're using Alice's computer.

0:10:14 > 0:10:15Yeah.

0:10:20 > 0:10:22KNOCK AT DOOR DOOR OPENS

0:10:24 > 0:10:25Revision?

0:10:27 > 0:10:29Na. Just a game.

0:10:29 > 0:10:30A game?

0:10:32 > 0:10:34Who was that woman?

0:10:35 > 0:10:38A friend of your mum's, sort of.

0:10:40 > 0:10:41What did she want?

0:10:41 > 0:10:43She wanted to meet her.

0:10:47 > 0:10:48Too bad, hey?

0:10:48 > 0:10:52Jake, did you know that someone has hacked into the website?

0:10:52 > 0:10:53"Ask Auntie Alice."

0:10:55 > 0:10:57They're writing blogs,

0:10:57 > 0:11:01responding to people's questions, putting words into her mouth.

0:11:04 > 0:11:07It's very strange, and upsetting.

0:11:08 > 0:11:10"Upsetting?"

0:11:10 > 0:11:14Anyone that doesn't know any better will think your mum's still alive.

0:11:15 > 0:11:18Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

0:11:18 > 0:11:21Mum might be dead in real life, not online.

0:11:21 > 0:11:24Someone is pretending to be her.

0:11:27 > 0:11:30That's deceitful.

0:11:30 > 0:11:31It's immoral.

0:11:36 > 0:11:39- Jake?- I don't know what you're talking about.

0:11:39 > 0:11:41DOORBELL RINGS

0:11:46 > 0:11:48What now?

0:11:55 > 0:12:00Did you have any, or were you aware of any, concerns regarding Paul?

0:12:00 > 0:12:02No, not at all.

0:12:02 > 0:12:04What was your impression of him, personally?

0:12:04 > 0:12:07He seemed really nice, you know, normal.

0:12:07 > 0:12:10I could tell that he was anxious, but that's understandable,

0:12:10 > 0:12:12under the circumstances.

0:12:12 > 0:12:15Anxious, what do you mean? Worried about the baby?

0:12:15 > 0:12:17Yeah, I imagine so.

0:12:17 > 0:12:20It wasn't an easy birth, and then for it to be taken away

0:12:20 > 0:12:24straight after. I mean, it's beyond traumatic.

0:12:24 > 0:12:26I thought he stayed really strong for Rhiannon.

0:12:26 > 0:12:28He coped really well.

0:12:28 > 0:12:31Was there anything about his relationship with Rhiannon

0:12:31 > 0:12:33that struck you as being odd?

0:12:33 > 0:12:35No. I don't think so.

0:12:36 > 0:12:41Whenever I made home visits, they were very happy, relaxed.

0:12:42 > 0:12:45They were very sweet together, made each other laugh.

0:12:45 > 0:12:49Yeah. Did you ever notice any bruising on Rhiannon, or Nicolas?

0:12:49 > 0:12:52If I'd have noticed anything, I'd have logged it with social services.

0:12:52 > 0:12:55Sorry, Ruhma, of course you would.

0:12:55 > 0:12:56What's going on, Rob?

0:12:58 > 0:13:00So you see the person who's pretending to be Alice is

0:13:00 > 0:13:03probably using the same computer that she used.

0:13:05 > 0:13:08- Really? - You still have it, do you?

0:13:08 > 0:13:10- Pardon? - Alice's computer?

0:13:10 > 0:13:14Yeah. Er, no, actually, it was a laptop.

0:13:14 > 0:13:17I'm not sure where it is, to be honest.

0:13:17 > 0:13:18My son might have flogged it.

0:13:18 > 0:13:21No, then it would have a different IP address.

0:13:21 > 0:13:24- Sorry?- You see, the person who's controlling the website has got the

0:13:24 > 0:13:26same IP address as Alice.

0:13:26 > 0:13:28They're in the same location.

0:13:29 > 0:13:32OK. Well, thanks for letting us know.

0:13:32 > 0:13:36Like I said before, I'll make sure that the website is shut down.

0:13:36 > 0:13:37It shouldn't cause any more grief.

0:13:37 > 0:13:40Perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well.

0:13:40 > 0:13:42You see, the person who is pretending to be Alice

0:13:42 > 0:13:46seems to be living here under this roof.

0:13:50 > 0:13:51Hello again.

0:13:51 > 0:13:53You're Valerie, right?

0:13:53 > 0:13:55That's right. And you are?

0:13:55 > 0:13:56Me?

0:13:58 > 0:13:59I'm Alice.

0:14:03 > 0:14:06I'm usually very sensitive to this kind of aggression.

0:14:08 > 0:14:11My radar is well-tuned. Or so I thought.

0:14:13 > 0:14:16Then again, sometimes the arrival of a new baby,

0:14:16 > 0:14:20it can be a trigger for physical abuse.

0:14:20 > 0:14:23It can spark an old pattern of behaviour.

0:14:24 > 0:14:27I'm just speculating, Rob.

0:14:27 > 0:14:30To be honest, I'm really surprised.

0:14:30 > 0:14:32He seemed such a nice guy.

0:14:32 > 0:14:36Well, like I say, we haven't got anything that totally corroborates

0:14:36 > 0:14:38Rhiannon's story, but we do have enough to take the allegation

0:14:38 > 0:14:40seriously, as you would expect.

0:14:42 > 0:14:46I thought I was getting advice from a qualified psychotherapist.

0:14:46 > 0:14:48Not a schoolboy.

0:14:48 > 0:14:51You were. It was her advice, not mine.

0:14:51 > 0:14:54I borrowed her words, made them fit.

0:14:54 > 0:14:57But why, Jake? What was this all meant to achieve?

0:14:57 > 0:15:00The website meant a lot to Mum. Why should it die with her?

0:15:00 > 0:15:03And you think this is what she'd want?

0:15:03 > 0:15:05To be some sort of ghost, lingering in cyberspace?

0:15:05 > 0:15:07"Cyberspace?" You're such a Luddite.

0:15:07 > 0:15:09I don't expect you to understand.

0:15:09 > 0:15:12She always taught you to be honest and decent.

0:15:12 > 0:15:15This is not the way to honour her memory.

0:15:15 > 0:15:16No? Then how?

0:15:16 > 0:15:19By hiding photos of her, wiping her from the internet?

0:15:19 > 0:15:21- She wouldn't want this. - How would you know?

0:15:21 > 0:15:24You never paid her much attention when she was alive. Even less now she's dead.

0:15:24 > 0:15:26Jake, there is not a single day where

0:15:26 > 0:15:30I do not think about your mother.

0:15:30 > 0:15:34You have deceived Valerie and I dread to think how many others.

0:15:34 > 0:15:36So, you owe her an apology.

0:15:39 > 0:15:42- Jake! - No, honestly it's fine, really.

0:15:45 > 0:15:50Valerie. I'm very sorry, on his behalf,

0:15:50 > 0:15:53and I'd be grateful if this could go no further.

0:15:53 > 0:15:54Of course.

0:15:55 > 0:16:01He came to see me a couple of weeks after the baby was born.

0:16:01 > 0:16:04He showed me pictures of Nicolas on his phone.

0:16:05 > 0:16:09- He seemed like the typical doting dad.- Hmm.

0:16:12 > 0:16:14Was it a social call?

0:16:14 > 0:16:17He just wanted some advice about staying off the cigarettes.

0:16:20 > 0:16:23I got the impression there was something else going on, though.

0:16:23 > 0:16:26Something was bugging him.

0:16:26 > 0:16:27Like what?

0:16:27 > 0:16:29He didn't say, not then.

0:16:29 > 0:16:32He came back in the afternoon though.

0:16:34 > 0:16:37I think he just wanted someone to confide in, to off-load.

0:16:39 > 0:16:41And did he confide in you?

0:16:41 > 0:16:49Yes, to a degree. We talked about the child protection conference.

0:16:50 > 0:16:53He seemed to handle it really well at the time,

0:16:53 > 0:16:55but I think it must have just hit him.

0:16:55 > 0:16:58He was angry, scared.

0:16:58 > 0:17:01Nicolas had been taken away from them once before.

0:17:01 > 0:17:02What was to stop it happening again?

0:17:04 > 0:17:07He didn't want anything more to do with social services.

0:17:07 > 0:17:09He said he didn't trust them.

0:17:12 > 0:17:15You can't take that! It's my property, it's private.

0:17:15 > 0:17:16It's your mother's.

0:17:16 > 0:17:19What you going to do? You barely know where the "on" button is.

0:17:19 > 0:17:21Maybe not. But I know a man who does.

0:17:21 > 0:17:23If you get rid of the website, I'll only put it back up.

0:17:23 > 0:17:25Really? We'll see.

0:17:27 > 0:17:30Your dad isn't always great at expressing himself,

0:17:30 > 0:17:33but he's very worried about you. He only wants what's best.

0:17:33 > 0:17:36Yeah? And you'd know what's "best," wouldn't you?

0:17:36 > 0:17:40Like flirting with your friend's husband, waiting for her to die?

0:17:40 > 0:17:41It wasn't like that.

0:17:43 > 0:17:46Things have worked out perfectly for you, haven't they?

0:17:49 > 0:17:51Let me talk with him.

0:17:54 > 0:17:56I tried to reassure him.

0:17:56 > 0:17:59The first couple of weeks with a new baby are always tough, aren't they?

0:17:59 > 0:18:02- Yeah.- And that they were doing really well.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07He just seemed, you know, a bit nervous.

0:18:12 > 0:18:15There was one thing, though, that struck me as a bit odd.

0:18:16 > 0:18:17Go on.

0:18:17 > 0:18:21I remember telling him that he was doing a really good job.

0:18:23 > 0:18:27But he just looked at me, like he didn't believe me.

0:18:27 > 0:18:29Most people would accept that observation,

0:18:29 > 0:18:32but he chose not to.

0:18:33 > 0:18:35What did you take from that?

0:18:35 > 0:18:37Not very much, at the time.

0:18:39 > 0:18:42I don't know, but now I'm thinking,

0:18:42 > 0:18:48maybe he didn't trust himself with Nicolas or was it a cry for help?

0:18:50 > 0:18:57Did he ever give you any indication that he could be an angry person?

0:18:57 > 0:19:00That he had a short fuse?

0:19:02 > 0:19:04Maybe.

0:19:06 > 0:19:08Yes.

0:19:09 > 0:19:15I came back from the surgery, and he was shaking the doors,

0:19:15 > 0:19:17you know? Kicking rubbish around.

0:19:17 > 0:19:20He was angry, angry about something.

0:19:20 > 0:19:23I don't know whether it was with himself, but...

0:19:25 > 0:19:28..he has a temper.

0:19:28 > 0:19:29Thank you.

0:19:32 > 0:19:34It was shortly after my diagnosis.

0:19:35 > 0:19:37Ashley and I had split up.

0:19:37 > 0:19:41There was no-one else to talk to, not at two o'clock in the morning.

0:19:41 > 0:19:44It was a long, dark night of the soul...

0:19:46 > 0:19:48..until "Alice" responded to my message.

0:19:50 > 0:19:54She showed me that there was light at the end of the tunnel.

0:19:54 > 0:19:55She's good like that.

0:19:55 > 0:19:59"She?" It must've been you.

0:19:59 > 0:20:01Sort of.

0:20:01 > 0:20:04Mum left behind a massive resource - thousands of blogs,

0:20:04 > 0:20:07messages, loads of really sound advice.

0:20:07 > 0:20:09It's a part of her that lives on.

0:20:09 > 0:20:11She's still helping people.

0:20:12 > 0:20:15I don't get how that's a bad thing.

0:20:15 > 0:20:19At home, I've got lots of photos of people I've lost.

0:20:19 > 0:20:21Family, some friends.

0:20:21 > 0:20:25They're in albums, on the shelf, and I hardly ever look at them.

0:20:25 > 0:20:29but it's not because I've stopped caring or thinking about those people.

0:20:29 > 0:20:31It's more that I don't need to any more.

0:20:32 > 0:20:36They're all still with me. Here.

0:20:36 > 0:20:40Maybe that's the way your dad feels about your mum.

0:20:46 > 0:20:47Any luck?

0:20:47 > 0:20:53Well, Karim says he's happy to help, but first he needs the user ID

0:20:53 > 0:20:57and the password for the website. I haven't got the foggiest.

0:20:57 > 0:20:59Would Alice have made a note of them?

0:20:59 > 0:21:03Possibly. But Jake set up the website on her behalf.

0:21:03 > 0:21:06He'll have changed the password by now.

0:21:06 > 0:21:07Where is he?

0:21:07 > 0:21:12- In his room, with Valerie. Cup of tea?- Please.

0:21:18 > 0:21:23I have just read through Nicolas' notes, and that of his parents.

0:21:23 > 0:21:26I really did not appreciate the complexities.

0:21:29 > 0:21:30The mother's history.

0:21:32 > 0:21:35Rhiannon's history is beside the point.

0:21:35 > 0:21:38I just wish that I was made aware of the facts a little sooner.

0:21:38 > 0:21:40That is all.

0:21:40 > 0:21:43Are you questioning my judgment? Is that what this is about?

0:21:43 > 0:21:45I am just voicing my concerns.

0:21:46 > 0:21:50There are repercussions to the practice,

0:21:50 > 0:21:53especially if this turns out not to be an accident.

0:21:53 > 0:21:55A baby has died,

0:21:55 > 0:21:59and you are concerned with the public image of the practice?

0:21:59 > 0:22:01That is unfair, Doctor Reid.

0:22:02 > 0:22:07How can anyone fail to be moved by this terrible tragedy?

0:22:08 > 0:22:11We are all upset, as are you, clearly.

0:22:12 > 0:22:17But it is my job to think about the reputation of the Mill.

0:22:17 > 0:22:18You know that.

0:22:20 > 0:22:22Well, you needn't worry, Mrs Tembe.

0:22:23 > 0:22:26I was a consummate professional throughout.

0:22:26 > 0:22:27- Of course. - PHONE RINGS

0:22:33 > 0:22:34Yes, Mrs Hollins?

0:22:37 > 0:22:40Right. I will send her out, thank you.

0:22:44 > 0:22:47Jane Fairweather is waiting for you in reception.

0:22:53 > 0:22:55Stay in touch, if you like.

0:22:55 > 0:22:59- With you, or with "Alice?" - "Alice."

0:22:59 > 0:23:02I don't think that's a very good idea, do you?

0:23:02 > 0:23:05Although, I will always be grateful for her help. And for yours.

0:23:09 > 0:23:10Where is she now?

0:23:12 > 0:23:13Is there a grave or a plaque?

0:23:15 > 0:23:16Yeah.

0:23:16 > 0:23:18Do you ever go and pay her a visit?

0:23:18 > 0:23:21No. Not r... Not since the funeral.

0:23:25 > 0:23:28She might appreciate these. What do you think?

0:23:28 > 0:23:29Yeah.

0:23:32 > 0:23:33Thanks.

0:23:52 > 0:23:54So I double-checked our records on Paul.

0:23:54 > 0:23:56There's no history of violence or aggression.

0:23:56 > 0:23:58Well, that's something.

0:23:58 > 0:24:01I've handed all the paperwork in to the serious case reviewer.

0:24:01 > 0:24:05They'll see whether any lessons can be learnt.

0:24:05 > 0:24:08Hopefully, I'll still have a job at the end of it.

0:24:08 > 0:24:11Why wouldn't you? You've done nothing wrong.

0:24:11 > 0:24:14I keep wondering whether I should have been more assertive.

0:24:14 > 0:24:16- About the fostering?- Mm.

0:24:16 > 0:24:19So now you're saying it's my fault. Is that it?

0:24:19 > 0:24:21- No, not at all. - It sounds like that.

0:24:21 > 0:24:23No, no, I'm not saying that.

0:24:25 > 0:24:29My job, it's all about making fine judgment calls.

0:24:29 > 0:24:32Yours is the same, you know.

0:24:32 > 0:24:34We look at the evidence, make the best decision we can

0:24:34 > 0:24:37in the time we have available, and when something goes wrong,

0:24:37 > 0:24:41then, inevitably, those decisions are going to be scrutinised.

0:24:41 > 0:24:45We have to be able to accept that, with the benefit of hindsight,

0:24:45 > 0:24:47there are some things we'd do differently.

0:24:50 > 0:24:52Maybe he's got a point.

0:24:52 > 0:24:54I mean, that's the way it's all going, isn't it?

0:24:54 > 0:24:56Before long, our brains will be immortal,

0:24:56 > 0:24:58forever preserved on the World Wide Web.

0:24:58 > 0:25:00Yours might be. Mine would take up too much RAM.

0:25:00 > 0:25:04Just think of it. Long after I've died, future generations

0:25:04 > 0:25:07will have the chance to converse with Virtual Valerie.

0:25:07 > 0:25:11I will be an all-seeing oracle, dispensing advice on all sorts

0:25:11 > 0:25:15of things, from industrial tribunals to the latest fashion advice.

0:25:15 > 0:25:18Ah. Theoretically speaking, there is no reason why a brain couldn't be

0:25:18 > 0:25:21copied on to a computer, then put on the internet.

0:25:21 > 0:25:24The internet could become like this cerebral library,

0:25:24 > 0:25:27where everybody's consciousnesses interact for years and years,

0:25:27 > 0:25:31or until our evil alien overlords cut the power supply.

0:25:32 > 0:25:33No, I don't fancy that.

0:25:33 > 0:25:35- Ryan? - Yep.

0:25:35 > 0:25:36Look at this.

0:25:40 > 0:25:41I typed in the web address.

0:25:41 > 0:25:45The site isn't there any more, only this.

0:26:03 > 0:26:05It's easy to be wise after the event.

0:26:05 > 0:26:08You didn't see this coming. No-one did.

0:26:08 > 0:26:12If you mean the possibility that Paul harmed his son, then no.

0:26:12 > 0:26:17But we knew that Nicolas was in a vulnerable situation.

0:26:17 > 0:26:18We knew that.

0:26:18 > 0:26:21And if I hadn't fought Rhiannon's corner?

0:26:23 > 0:26:25You think this is my fault.

0:26:25 > 0:26:28No, Emma, I didn't say that. It's a collective process.

0:26:28 > 0:26:30You said your piece, I said mine.

0:26:30 > 0:26:34We both did what we thought was right, and in the end, the judge made the final decision.

0:26:34 > 0:26:35We have to stand behind that.

0:26:35 > 0:26:38Yeah, but that's got nothing to do with what happened, has it?

0:26:38 > 0:26:40We don't know what happened yet, do we?

0:26:40 > 0:26:42If it was an accident, then no-one's to blame.

0:26:42 > 0:26:46If Paul intentionally hurt Nicolas, then why should you

0:26:46 > 0:26:49or I or anybody else feel guilty?

0:26:49 > 0:26:51He didn't have a criminal record.

0:26:51 > 0:26:53He seemed like the perfect, loving father.

0:26:53 > 0:26:55No-one could have predicted it.

0:26:55 > 0:26:58Well, whether Paul's responsible, or Rhiannon,

0:26:58 > 0:27:01or a combination of the two, the fact remains that if Nicolas...

0:27:03 > 0:27:07If Nicolas had been taken into care, he would still be alive.

0:27:08 > 0:27:12Now I have to find a way of living with that knowledge.

0:27:12 > 0:27:13So do you.

0:27:21 > 0:27:23I just wanted to have a word with one of the doctors.

0:27:23 > 0:27:27I'm from the Letherbridge Gazette, I'm writing a story...

0:27:28 > 0:27:31Are you suggesting that I can't be trusted?

0:27:31 > 0:27:32No, of course not!

0:27:32 > 0:27:34I should hope not.

0:27:34 > 0:27:37We've had the results back from the postmortem ...

0:27:37 > 0:27:39Does that mean I can bury him?

0:27:39 > 0:27:41..which is far more conclusive than we all expected.