0:00:24 > 0:00:26ECHO OF CHILD SHOUTING
0:00:38 > 0:00:41ECHO OF CHILDREN SCREAMING
0:00:48 > 0:00:50INDISTINCT WHISPERING
0:00:52 > 0:00:54WHISPERING GROWS LOUDER
0:01:01 > 0:01:04SILENCE
0:01:25 > 0:01:27FAINT ECHO OF VOICES
0:01:38 > 0:01:40ECHO OF BABY CRYING
0:02:32 > 0:02:34SHE GASPS IN PAIN
0:03:59 > 0:04:01Alwyn Parry. Unit director.
0:04:01 > 0:04:04DI Rhys. DCI Mathias.
0:04:06 > 0:04:08Let me take you to Catrin's room.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52Where did she get the scissors?
0:04:52 > 0:04:56We think Catrin must have taken them from the day room.
0:04:56 > 0:04:58We offer a range of arts and crafts classes.
0:04:58 > 0:05:00Part of their rehabilitation therapy.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05Was Catrin considered a suicide risk?
0:05:05 > 0:05:08No, this came as a shock to us all.
0:05:10 > 0:05:14Since your conviction of her in 2012, Catrin's made good progress.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18Dr Cleaver, she's terribly upset.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21- She was Catrin's therapist. - Can we talk to her?
0:05:21 > 0:05:23Of course. Yes.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38Catrin was responding well...
0:05:38 > 0:05:40but her case was challenging.
0:05:41 > 0:05:43Challenging how?
0:05:43 > 0:05:44Gaining her trust.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49Getting her to talk about her past, her time at the children's home,
0:05:49 > 0:05:51the abuse she suffered,
0:05:51 > 0:05:55the rape, the pregnancy, the death of her child.
0:05:55 > 0:05:56Emma?
0:05:57 > 0:06:01Catrin still demonstrated a lot of hostility towards Helen Jenkins.
0:06:01 > 0:06:05Were you shocked when you heard that Catrin had taken her own life?
0:06:07 > 0:06:09Catrin had a visitor.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13A few weeks ago, a man came to the hospital to see her.
0:06:13 > 0:06:15He unsettled her.
0:06:15 > 0:06:17Undid a lot of hard work.
0:06:18 > 0:06:21She received a letter asking to meet.
0:06:21 > 0:06:22Catrin agreed.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24- You read this letter?- Yes, yes.
0:06:24 > 0:06:27Who is this man? Does he have a name?
0:06:28 > 0:06:29Iwan Thomas.
0:07:08 > 0:07:11Do you have any idea what he said to her?
0:07:11 > 0:07:13Afraid not, no.
0:07:14 > 0:07:17Then what about the letter? Where's that?
0:07:17 > 0:07:19We haven't been able to find it.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22We think she may have destroyed it before she took her own life.
0:08:55 > 0:08:58'Iwan Thomas visited Catrin John at the hospital'
0:08:58 > 0:09:00two days before he died.
0:09:01 > 0:09:05- What?- Catrin was a resident at the children's home in Devil's Bridge.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08The same place where Iwan's body was found.
0:09:08 > 0:09:10You don't think that's odd?
0:09:11 > 0:09:13Iwan Thomas took his own life.
0:09:14 > 0:09:18Why he chose to kill himself only he knows, but the case is closed.
0:09:18 > 0:09:21You can't close the case. New evidence has come to light.
0:09:21 > 0:09:22I've examined all the facts...
0:09:23 > 0:09:27..and the facts of the case suggest Iwan took his own life.
0:09:28 > 0:09:32I'll amend my report to the coroner to include Iwan's visit to the hospital but that's it.
0:09:32 > 0:09:36- That's it?!- Yes.- You and I both know that there's more to it than that.
0:09:36 > 0:09:40- I've done my job. - Oh, well, that's all right, then!
0:09:43 > 0:09:46Whatever guilt you may feel about Iwan's death...
0:09:47 > 0:09:49..that's your problem.
0:09:52 > 0:09:54Not mine.
0:11:32 > 0:11:35I've been going through Iwan Thomas' old case files.
0:11:36 > 0:11:38Before he lost his job, he'd been running an investigation
0:11:38 > 0:11:41into the death of this guy - Kieron Jones.
0:11:41 > 0:11:46Kieron Jones died. He killed himself in Penmorfa Prison in 2002.
0:11:46 > 0:11:49But he was also a resident at Pontarfynach children's home
0:11:49 > 0:11:51the same time as Catrin John.
0:11:53 > 0:11:55And before Kieron died, he made accusations
0:11:55 > 0:11:58that he'd been sexually abused during his time at the home.
0:11:58 > 0:12:02- And these allegations, were they investigated?- I don't know.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06But that's why Iwan wanted to talk to Catrin.
0:12:06 > 0:12:08I'm sure of it.
0:12:08 > 0:12:11He was still looking for answers, then.
0:12:20 > 0:12:23Kieron Jones was repeatedly in trouble with the police as a child.
0:12:23 > 0:12:26Theft, truancy, vandalism, threatening behaviour.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29Kieron was taken into state care
0:12:29 > 0:12:32after he threatened a teacher with a knife.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35That's when he was remanded to Pontarfynach children's home.
0:12:35 > 0:12:38June 1990. He was 11 years old.
0:12:38 > 0:12:40When that home was closed,
0:12:40 > 0:12:42Kieron was then moved to a young offenders' unit.
0:12:42 > 0:12:44He was released in 1998.
0:12:44 > 0:12:47Six months later he attacked a man in the street, robbed him
0:12:47 > 0:12:50at knife-point, and he was sentenced to seven years in prison.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53And that's when he made allegations that he was abused
0:12:53 > 0:12:56- during this time at the Pontarfynach children's home?- Yes.
0:12:56 > 0:13:00An allegation that was refuted by a fellow inmate - Paul Webb.
0:13:01 > 0:13:05Webb was also at the same children's home as Kieron Jones.
0:13:06 > 0:13:09Iwan Thomas interviewed Webb
0:13:09 > 0:13:11but Webb denied any knowledge of the abuse.
0:13:11 > 0:13:14That's why Iwan Thomas' investigation was dropped.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17But we know that's not true. There were abuses at that home.
0:13:17 > 0:13:20Then why didn't Webb speak up about it?
0:14:13 > 0:14:15Paul Webb, is he here?
0:14:16 > 0:14:18What's this about?
0:14:18 > 0:14:20It's all right, Maggie.
0:14:40 > 0:14:41So, what do you want?
0:14:41 > 0:14:43Catrin John.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46She was found dead this morning.
0:14:49 > 0:14:51I'm sorry to hear that.
0:14:51 > 0:14:53What's it got to do with me?
0:14:53 > 0:14:56What do you remember about your time at Pontarfynach children's home?
0:14:58 > 0:15:01I remember the spiteful bitch who ran the place.
0:15:03 > 0:15:04Helen Jenkins?
0:15:05 > 0:15:09That woman deserved everything she got. I hope she suffered.
0:15:09 > 0:15:11Do you remember Kieron Jones?
0:15:12 > 0:15:13Yeah, I remember him.
0:15:13 > 0:15:17- You were at Pontarfynach together. - I was 12. He was 11.
0:15:17 > 0:15:21- You were also in prison together, weren't you?- So?!
0:15:22 > 0:15:24It was at this time that Kieron made allegations
0:15:24 > 0:15:27- that he and other children at the home were abused.- Yeah.
0:15:27 > 0:15:29Allegations you denied.
0:15:30 > 0:15:33That was a long time ago, right? I don't want to talk about it.
0:15:40 > 0:15:42Iwan Thomas.
0:15:43 > 0:15:46The officer sent to investigate Kieron's death.
0:15:46 > 0:15:49- What about him?- When was the last time you spoke to him?
0:15:49 > 0:15:51- Why?!- Because he's dead.
0:15:52 > 0:15:56His body was found in the ravine in Devil's Bridge.
0:15:59 > 0:16:02He turned up here a few weeks ago asking questions.
0:16:02 > 0:16:04What sort of questions?
0:16:04 > 0:16:07The same questions you're asking, about Kieron, Catrin, Pontarfynach.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- What did you tell him?- Nothing!
0:16:10 > 0:16:12Do you remember this photo?
0:16:21 > 0:16:26We know that this is Helen Jenkins, and Byron Rogers is there as well.
0:16:27 > 0:16:29But we don't know him.
0:16:31 > 0:16:33Do you know who he is, Paul?
0:16:36 > 0:16:38Paul.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42His name was Vaughan.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46Dr Hugh Vaughan.
0:16:48 > 0:16:52Right, you need to go. I don't want to talk about it any more.
0:17:30 > 0:17:32- LLOYD:- 'Hugh Vaughan, local GP.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35'He started working at Pontarfynach in the late 1980s'
0:17:35 > 0:17:39and he was a regular visitor there until his disappearance in 1994.
0:17:39 > 0:17:41His disappearance?
0:17:41 > 0:17:44'Vaughan's car was found abandoned at a beach near Clarach.'
0:17:44 > 0:17:46His body was never found.
0:17:46 > 0:17:50After a coroner's inquest in 2001, he was declared legally dead.
0:17:50 > 0:17:52'What about the family?'
0:17:52 > 0:17:55All I can find is the dead man's mother, sir. Ethni Vaughan.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58'I'll send the address over to you now.'
0:18:29 > 0:18:31Mrs Vaughan? Ethni Vaughan?
0:18:32 > 0:18:35We'd like to ask you some questions about your son.
0:18:35 > 0:18:38About his role at Pontarfynach children's home.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43'Hugh was the local GP.'
0:18:44 > 0:18:48He visited the home to check on the health and wellbeing
0:18:48 > 0:18:49of the children.
0:18:49 > 0:18:52The children were troubled.
0:18:52 > 0:18:54Most of them came from broken homes.
0:18:54 > 0:18:59They'd been denied a lot of life's advantages.
0:18:59 > 0:19:00Hugh wanted to help.
0:19:02 > 0:19:03He never married?
0:19:04 > 0:19:07Never had children of his own?
0:19:07 > 0:19:09How is that relevant?
0:19:11 > 0:19:13Why are you here?
0:19:14 > 0:19:17Why are you asking about the children's home?
0:19:17 > 0:19:19Why now, after all these years?
0:19:19 > 0:19:22Are you aware of the allegations that were made...
0:19:22 > 0:19:24of abuses at the home?
0:19:26 > 0:19:30How is any of this pertinent to my son?
0:19:30 > 0:19:33Well, your son had regular contact with the children.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35What are you suggesting?
0:19:38 > 0:19:41We're just trying to find out...
0:19:41 > 0:19:44why your son may have taken his own life, Mrs Vaughan.
0:19:45 > 0:19:47This isn't right.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51I want you to leave, please. Go.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03DCI Mathias.
0:20:04 > 0:20:06My office.
0:20:18 > 0:20:20The GP. Hugh Vaughan.
0:20:21 > 0:20:25- His mother's made a formal complaint.- Of course she has, sir.
0:20:25 > 0:20:27She doesn't want us asking questions about her son.
0:20:27 > 0:20:31Ethni Vaughan's had to suffer years of rumour about her son's death
0:20:31 > 0:20:33and his involvement with the children's home.
0:20:33 > 0:20:36She doesn't need the past to be raked up all over again.
0:20:36 > 0:20:40What about Catrin John, sir? She was abused, wasn't she? She was raped.
0:20:40 > 0:20:43And she went to the grave not knowing who was responsible.
0:20:43 > 0:20:46You know that investigation was taken as far as it could go.
0:20:46 > 0:20:48No, I don't.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52There wasn't enough corroborating evidence to support the allegations made by Catrin John.
0:20:52 > 0:20:56- What about Hugh Vaughan?- What about him?- Don't you think he could have been involved?- Did she name him?
0:20:56 > 0:20:59- No.- There we are, then. There isn't enough evidence!
0:20:59 > 0:21:03We don't have any evidence because there wasn't an investigation!
0:21:04 > 0:21:07Listen, those children were abused.
0:21:08 > 0:21:12Hugh Vaughan was a regular visitor at the home. He was there. He was involved.
0:21:12 > 0:21:14And maybe that's why he took his own life.
0:21:14 > 0:21:16- We can't prove that.- Yeah, we can.
0:21:16 > 0:21:19We get a matching DNA from Catrin's baby and compare it
0:21:19 > 0:21:21- to that of the missing GP's. - And how do you propose to do that?
0:21:21 > 0:21:24We get a DNA sample from his mother. Come on, sir!
0:21:24 > 0:21:28Ethni Vaughan has suffered enough. She would never grant a consent to that.
0:21:28 > 0:21:30Now just leave it, Tom, and that's an order!
0:21:45 > 0:21:47What did Prosser want?
0:21:47 > 0:21:49To congratulate us on a job well done.
0:21:50 > 0:21:52I think Iwan was on to something.
0:21:52 > 0:21:54Don't you?
0:21:54 > 0:21:57The children's home, the GP, his own death.
0:21:58 > 0:22:01- They're all connected.- And Prosser?
0:22:01 > 0:22:04- Will he support an investigation? - I don't care.
0:22:04 > 0:22:07We owe it to those children and to Catrin to find the truth.
0:22:07 > 0:22:09- Tom...- I know, Mared.
0:22:09 > 0:22:13Procedure, professional focus, a way of doing things, yes.
0:22:14 > 0:22:17But I'm not going to walk away from this now.
0:22:37 > 0:22:40'Did Catrin ever mention a Hugh Vaughan?'
0:22:40 > 0:22:43I tried not to push Catrin too hard.
0:22:44 > 0:22:45Not to rush her.
0:22:45 > 0:22:48I wanted Catrin to feel comfortable.
0:22:48 > 0:22:50To speak when she wanted.
0:22:50 > 0:22:52To gain her trust.
0:22:53 > 0:22:55And did she trust you?
0:22:55 > 0:22:58Catrin had a fundamental distrust of figures like me
0:22:58 > 0:23:00and institutions like this.
0:23:00 > 0:23:01Yes.
0:23:01 > 0:23:03After what happened at Pontarfynach,
0:23:03 > 0:23:05who could blame her?
0:23:06 > 0:23:11Part of my work with Catrin was about rebuilding that trust.
0:23:12 > 0:23:14Did Catrin ever confide in anyone else here?
0:23:14 > 0:23:16A patient, perhaps.
0:23:16 > 0:23:19Someone that she could talk to.
0:23:33 > 0:23:35Clare...
0:23:35 > 0:23:37this is DCI Mathias.
0:23:38 > 0:23:41He'd like to ask you a few questions. Might that be OK?
0:23:53 > 0:23:54I'll leave you.
0:24:03 > 0:24:05Are you here because of Catrin?
0:24:06 > 0:24:07Yes.
0:24:07 > 0:24:09Yes, I am.
0:24:10 > 0:24:12She was my friend.
0:24:12 > 0:24:14I'm sorry.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23Clare, do you have any idea why Catrin did what she did to herself?
0:24:25 > 0:24:27She was unhappy.
0:24:28 > 0:24:32Did she talk about a man who came to see her recently?
0:24:33 > 0:24:36I know that the visit upset her.
0:24:36 > 0:24:39I just wanted to know if you knew what they spoke about or...
0:24:39 > 0:24:41what the man said to her.
0:24:42 > 0:24:45They spoke about the children's home.
0:24:46 > 0:24:48The one she was in.
0:24:51 > 0:24:54The man told Catrin he was going to find the people
0:24:54 > 0:24:56responsible for hurting her.
0:24:56 > 0:24:58Then...
0:24:58 > 0:25:02when Catrin found out what happened to him, that he'd died...
0:25:03 > 0:25:05..she was afraid.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09- What was she afraid about? - I don't know. She was just afraid.
0:25:09 > 0:25:12Hugh Vaughan. Did she mention him at all?
0:25:13 > 0:25:15- No.- Are you sure, Clare?
0:25:15 > 0:25:17I'm sorry. I want to help.
0:25:18 > 0:25:19That's OK.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09I've got nothing to say to you,
0:26:09 > 0:26:12so get back in your car and go.
0:26:13 > 0:26:15Iwan's death has been ruled as suicide
0:26:15 > 0:26:17but I don't think he killed himself.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19Neither do you.
0:26:25 > 0:26:27So I need your help to prove it.
0:26:33 > 0:26:37Did Iwan ever talk about Kieron Jones or Hugh Vaughan?
0:26:40 > 0:26:41Kieron Jones.
0:26:42 > 0:26:44Pontarfynach.
0:26:45 > 0:26:47That's all he ever talked about.
0:26:49 > 0:26:52Iwan knew that something happened there to those kids...
0:26:53 > 0:26:55..but he was stopped from looking into it.
0:26:56 > 0:26:58By who?
0:27:01 > 0:27:03Prosser?
0:27:08 > 0:27:11He always said that he was set up.
0:27:11 > 0:27:13That they went after him.
0:27:14 > 0:27:16Stop him digging.
0:27:19 > 0:27:21I used to think that he was paranoid.
0:27:24 > 0:27:25But he wasn't, was he?
0:30:39 > 0:30:41Mared!
0:33:19 > 0:33:21TELEPHONE
0:33:29 > 0:33:31Hello.
0:35:21 > 0:35:23How well did you know Hugh Vaughan, Dr Blake?
0:35:24 > 0:35:27We met during our post-graduate training.
0:35:28 > 0:35:30We became friends.
0:35:30 > 0:35:31We remained friends.
0:35:32 > 0:35:34He was a good doctor.
0:35:34 > 0:35:36His death came as a total shock.
0:35:39 > 0:35:42Did Vaughan ever mention his work at the Pontarfynach children's home?
0:35:42 > 0:35:46- No.- He never mentioned the children under his care?- No.
0:35:46 > 0:35:48You see, allegations have been made...
0:35:50 > 0:35:51..of abuse at the home.
0:35:51 > 0:35:54There were rumours, yes.
0:35:54 > 0:35:55After his disappearance.
0:35:57 > 0:36:00And these rumours, did you believe them?
0:36:02 > 0:36:04Rumours aren't facts.
0:36:06 > 0:36:08These children were abused and those responsible were never caught.
0:36:08 > 0:36:10Those are the facts.
0:36:13 > 0:36:16Don't you want these children to know the truth?
0:36:16 > 0:36:17Of course I do.
0:36:17 > 0:36:20But where's the evidence? Where are your witnesses?
0:36:22 > 0:36:26Without compelling evidence there can be no investigation.
0:36:27 > 0:36:30Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go.
0:37:51 > 0:37:54He's not here. I don't know when he'll be back.
0:37:57 > 0:37:59Girls, take your dishes and go inside.
0:38:14 > 0:38:16I know why you're here.
0:38:18 > 0:38:19Children's home?
0:38:22 > 0:38:24Has Paul spoken to you about it?
0:38:24 > 0:38:25Doesn't need to.
0:38:29 > 0:38:31I know something happened to him.
0:38:32 > 0:38:33There.
0:38:34 > 0:38:36I've heard the rumours.
0:38:36 > 0:38:37Paul can help.
0:38:37 > 0:38:39All he's got to do is talk to us.
0:38:40 > 0:38:44- We can make things right. - Can things ever be made right?- Yes.
0:38:47 > 0:38:48Come on.
0:38:53 > 0:38:54Talk to him, Maggie.
0:39:26 > 0:39:28What are you doing here?
0:39:30 > 0:39:32Kieron Jones, Catrin John, Iwan Thomas.
0:39:32 > 0:39:33They're all dead.
0:39:35 > 0:39:37Somebody needs to be held responsible for it.
0:39:37 > 0:39:39Why don't you want the truth to come out?
0:39:41 > 0:39:43Kieron told the truth, didn't he?
0:39:43 > 0:39:46About what happened to him at the home. All the abuse.
0:39:46 > 0:39:47He spoke out.
0:39:48 > 0:39:51- But you let him down, didn't you? - That's not what happened.
0:39:51 > 0:39:52- You assaulted him.- No.
0:39:59 > 0:40:02You tried to stop Kieron from talking, didn't you? You did.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10Kieron was my friend.
0:40:13 > 0:40:15We grew up in the system together.
0:40:18 > 0:40:20He was small for his age. Weak.
0:40:21 > 0:40:23So I tried to look out for him.
0:40:25 > 0:40:27He was there for two years after I left.
0:40:29 > 0:40:31And it didn't stop.
0:40:35 > 0:40:36We were kids.
0:40:38 > 0:40:42Hang on. You left in 1994 and Kieron was there until 1996,
0:40:42 > 0:40:43two years after you left.
0:40:44 > 0:40:46And he was abused the whole time?
0:40:46 > 0:40:48There was no-one there to stop it.
0:41:02 > 0:41:04A GP, Hugh Vaughan.
0:41:04 > 0:41:06He took his own life in 1994,
0:41:06 > 0:41:08but the abuse continued at the home until 1996.
0:41:08 > 0:41:11- So the GP wasn't the only one? - It sounds like.
0:41:11 > 0:41:14Where are you now, Tom? I've found something.
0:41:14 > 0:41:16I'll meet you at your place.
0:41:53 > 0:41:561987, Catrin John and Jenny James
0:41:56 > 0:42:00arrive at Pontarfynach children's home, run by Helen Jenkins.
0:42:02 > 0:42:041989, Catrin, now 14 years old,
0:42:04 > 0:42:07is drugged and raped at the home by an unidentified man.
0:42:09 > 0:42:12January 1990, Catrin gives birth to a baby girl, Emma.
0:42:12 > 0:42:14The child is immediately taken from her.
0:42:14 > 0:42:18Catrin believes that Helen Jenkins has arranged for Emma to be adopted.
0:42:18 > 0:42:21But the truth is, the child is killed.
0:42:21 > 0:42:23Smothered by Jenny James.
0:42:24 > 0:42:28Helen Jenkins covers up the killing and with the help of her caretaker,
0:42:28 > 0:42:31Byron Rogers, buries the child in the grounds of the home.
0:42:31 > 0:42:33In the Celtic spiral.
0:42:35 > 0:42:38During that time, Kieron Jones and Paul Webb arrive at Pontarfynach.
0:42:38 > 0:42:41Both boys are repeatedly abused throughout their stay.
0:42:41 > 0:42:43Hugh Vaughan...
0:42:44 > 0:42:47..the local GP with connections to the home, goes missing.
0:42:47 > 0:42:50His car is found abandoned at a beach near Clarach.
0:42:50 > 0:42:53It's believed that he drowned. Killed himself.
0:42:53 > 0:42:56But his body is never found. Why would he kill himself?
0:42:56 > 0:42:58Did he have something to do with it?
0:42:58 > 0:43:00And if so, was it guilt?
0:43:00 > 0:43:02Was he ashamed of what he did to those children?
0:43:03 > 0:43:08We know that as a doctor Vaughan had regular unsupervised contact
0:43:08 > 0:43:10with the children at the home.
0:43:12 > 0:43:14But Paul Webb said that the abuse continued
0:43:14 > 0:43:16long after Vaughan's disappearance.
0:43:16 > 0:43:18Vaughan wasn't acting alone.
0:43:18 > 0:43:20Then who else was involved?
0:43:24 > 0:43:26Chief Superintendent Robert Owen.
0:43:29 > 0:43:32He ran an outreach programme in the home during that time.
0:43:33 > 0:43:35Here is a man of authority.
0:43:37 > 0:43:38A man of influence.
0:43:38 > 0:43:41A man well placed to stop any inquiry into any abuse.
0:43:46 > 0:43:49- If we're wrong about this... - Yeah, but what if we're right?
0:43:49 > 0:43:51Either way, no-one will thank us.
0:44:10 > 0:44:12We can't just sit back and do nothing, can we?
0:44:13 > 0:44:15These men destroyed people's lives.
0:44:17 > 0:44:19And somebody's going to do something about it eventually.
0:44:21 > 0:44:23Go back and see Ethni Vaughan.
0:44:23 > 0:44:26See if she can remember anything about her son's disappearance.
0:44:26 > 0:44:28And you?
0:45:23 > 0:45:24Hello?
0:45:24 > 0:45:26Come in.
0:45:35 > 0:45:36Ah.
0:45:38 > 0:45:41I suppose you're here to talk about Hugh Vaughan.
0:45:41 > 0:45:43Yeah, that's right.
0:45:44 > 0:45:46Word gets around.
0:45:49 > 0:45:50So...
0:45:51 > 0:45:53..ask away.
0:45:53 > 0:45:55- How well did you know him?- Hugh?
0:45:56 > 0:45:59We were good friends once.
0:46:01 > 0:46:03- What about his death?- Mmm.
0:46:04 > 0:46:06Terrible business.
0:46:07 > 0:46:09Do you believe that he took his own life?
0:46:12 > 0:46:14Who can know?
0:46:16 > 0:46:18You ran an outreach programme at the home, did you not?
0:46:20 > 0:46:22Yes, for juvenile offenders.
0:46:22 > 0:46:24I was trying to rehabilitate them. Offer them something...
0:46:25 > 0:46:27..better in life.
0:46:29 > 0:46:30Broaden their horizons.
0:46:33 > 0:46:35Something like that.
0:46:45 > 0:46:47There have been allegations made of abuse.
0:46:50 > 0:46:53Hundreds of children were helped at that home.
0:46:53 > 0:46:57Given a chance in life that they might not otherwise have had.
0:46:59 > 0:47:01One or two disgruntled voices
0:47:01 > 0:47:03shouting loud because life didn't work out for them...
0:47:05 > 0:47:06..is inevitable.
0:47:10 > 0:47:11No. No, erm...
0:47:11 > 0:47:14Those children were let down by the system.
0:47:16 > 0:47:17Treated cruelly.
0:47:17 > 0:47:19Preyed upon and abused and nobody believed them.
0:47:19 > 0:47:21Nobody but Iwan Thomas.
0:47:23 > 0:47:24Ah, yes.
0:47:24 > 0:47:26Iwan Thomas.
0:47:28 > 0:47:29I understand that you, erm...
0:47:30 > 0:47:32..knew his wife quite well.
0:47:33 > 0:47:36- This has got nothing to do with me. - Hasn't it?
0:47:39 > 0:47:40Mr Owen...
0:47:42 > 0:47:44..how many more people have to die or disappear
0:47:44 > 0:47:46until the truth comes out?
0:47:49 > 0:47:51I have...
0:47:52 > 0:47:54..dedicated my life to this community.
0:47:54 > 0:47:55I wonder if your record could...
0:47:56 > 0:47:58..withstand such scrutiny?
0:48:03 > 0:48:05Everyone has...
0:48:06 > 0:48:08..skeletons in the closet.
0:48:08 > 0:48:11You should think long and hard before doing something you might...
0:48:12 > 0:48:13..regret.
0:48:15 > 0:48:17Think about your career.
0:48:17 > 0:48:20And the careers of those around you.
0:48:21 > 0:48:24You might want to martyr yourself, but...
0:48:26 > 0:48:28..don't drag everyone else down with you.
0:48:36 > 0:48:39Now, if you'll excuse me.
0:48:40 > 0:48:41Show yourself out.
0:52:21 > 0:52:23Paul. Paul, please!
0:52:32 > 0:52:34I want us to find out everything we can
0:52:34 > 0:52:36about former Chief Superintendent Robert Owen.
0:52:43 > 0:52:44OK?
0:52:44 > 0:52:47And I mean everything.
0:52:54 > 0:52:56What do you think you're doing?
0:52:56 > 0:52:57My job, sir.
0:52:58 > 0:53:01I asked you not to pursue the investigation. That was an order.
0:53:05 > 0:53:06Iwan Thomas.
0:53:06 > 0:53:08Hugh Vaughan. The children's home.
0:53:08 > 0:53:10They're all connected.
0:53:11 > 0:53:14- Iwan Thomas killed himself.- Did he?
0:53:14 > 0:53:18I think he was on to something, sir, and he ended up dead because of it.
0:53:18 > 0:53:20His death was investigated.
0:53:20 > 0:53:23Like the abuses at the children's home were investigated?
0:53:25 > 0:53:27Who's looking out for those kids, sir?
0:53:27 > 0:53:28You?
0:53:30 > 0:53:33I did what was asked of me. I followed orders.
0:53:33 > 0:53:35Whose orders? Robert Owen?
0:53:39 > 0:53:41We were trying to protect the Vaughans' reputation,
0:53:41 > 0:53:42their good name.
0:53:42 > 0:53:44If you'd have done your job properly, sir,
0:53:44 > 0:53:46you'd have realised that those abuses continued
0:53:46 > 0:53:48long after Hugh Vaughan's death.
0:53:50 > 0:53:52Who said that?
0:53:52 > 0:53:53Paul Webb.
0:53:57 > 0:53:59Well, I'm not going to believe it then.
0:53:59 > 0:54:03- Why would he lie?- To gain attention. That's how these people are.
0:54:03 > 0:54:06- These people.- I gave you an order and you disobeyed it.
0:54:06 > 0:54:08With all due respect, sir, you were wrong.
0:54:08 > 0:54:11- I am your commanding officer... - Then act like it. Do something.
0:54:11 > 0:54:15- You are suspended as of now.- You're in no position to make that call.
0:54:54 > 0:54:57The children at Pontarfynach were abused.
0:54:58 > 0:55:00Sexually abuse in a period between the late '80s
0:55:00 > 0:55:02and the home's closure in 1996.
0:55:04 > 0:55:07Now, we believe that this man, Hugh Vaughan,
0:55:07 > 0:55:09a local GP who went missing in 1994...
0:55:11 > 0:55:13..may have been one of the abusers.
0:55:13 > 0:55:15But we don't think he was acting alone.
0:55:17 > 0:55:19Hayden Blake.
0:55:21 > 0:55:22Police surgeon.
0:55:22 > 0:55:25He was a good friend to the GP.
0:55:25 > 0:55:28He spent time with Vaughan at the children's home.
0:55:31 > 0:55:33Robert Owen.
0:55:34 > 0:55:37A former police superintendent.
0:55:37 > 0:55:40He ran an outreach programme for juvenile offenders.
0:55:41 > 0:55:45We know that he spent unsupervised regular time with the children
0:55:45 > 0:55:46at Pontarfynach.
0:55:48 > 0:55:50We think that these two men, Hayden Blake and Robert Owen,
0:55:50 > 0:55:54may have had knowledge or played a part in what happened at the home.
0:55:56 > 0:55:58And with the co-operation of someone in high authority,
0:55:58 > 0:56:02we think that these men did all they could to stop any investigation
0:56:02 > 0:56:04into the abuses at the home.
0:56:06 > 0:56:08And we think that this somebody...
0:56:11 > 0:56:13..is Chief Superintendent Brian Prosser.
0:56:31 > 0:56:33Now, I realise this is hard for you.
0:56:35 > 0:56:37And if you feel uncomfortable with any of this
0:56:37 > 0:56:39or you don't want to play any further part in it...
0:56:41 > 0:56:43..I'm giving you a chance to speak out now.
0:56:53 > 0:56:55No. This is important.
0:57:00 > 0:57:01Lloyd?
0:57:05 > 0:57:07What do you need from us, sir?
0:57:10 > 0:57:11Thanks.
0:57:14 > 0:57:16We need to find out whether these men had any connection
0:57:16 > 0:57:18to any other children's home in the area.
0:57:18 > 0:57:20Yes, sir.
0:57:20 > 0:57:24We need to check if any complaints or allegations have ever been made
0:57:24 > 0:57:27against Hayden Blake, Robert Owen...
0:57:27 > 0:57:29And Chief Superintendent Prosser.
0:57:31 > 0:57:33OK.
0:57:35 > 0:57:37This is hard.
0:57:40 > 0:57:42But these children were let down
0:57:42 > 0:57:44by a system that was meant to protect them.
0:57:44 > 0:57:46And their lives were ruined.
0:57:48 > 0:57:51And these abusers were allowed to get away with it.
0:57:53 > 0:57:55Now, we have to stop this, right?
0:58:33 > 0:58:37Paul's gone. He's been gone hours and he's not answering his phone.
0:58:37 > 0:58:41Do you remember that morning you came around to the house to offer your resignation?
0:58:41 > 0:58:44Do you know why I wouldn't accept it? Because you're good at this job.
0:58:44 > 0:58:48The call was made from the home of Chief Superintendent Prosser.