0:00:30 > 0:00:34So she says to us, "Why are you always mumbling all the time?"
0:00:34 > 0:00:38I says, "Why am I always mumbling all the time?" She says, "Aye, why are you always mumbling all the time?"
0:00:38 > 0:00:40I says, "You know what your trouble is, pet?"
0:00:40 > 0:00:44- You can't tell talk from mutter. - Thanks, mate(!)
0:00:44 > 0:00:47Here's a topical one. A bloke goes up to Twiggy.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50- Pay him off, man, Tommy, for hell's sake!- Howay, son, you're off.
0:00:50 > 0:00:52Did somebody die or what?
0:00:52 > 0:00:56Your bingo books are now on sale in the lounge!
0:01:00 > 0:01:02Give us a Mackeson, pet.
0:01:02 > 0:01:03Eyes down in ten minutes!
0:01:07 > 0:01:08Yours, bonny lad?
0:01:10 > 0:01:13What? Oh, yeah. It's me daughter.
0:01:15 > 0:01:18Bonny little lass. What's she called?
0:01:18 > 0:01:20Leigh Ann.
0:01:20 > 0:01:23Must have got her face from her mother.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26Eh. You'd think butter wouldn't melt in their mouths at that age, yeah.
0:01:26 > 0:01:28Yes, well it wouldn't.
0:01:36 > 0:01:42You look at photos like these and you think, "Look at that little smile,
0:01:42 > 0:01:46"look at the light in them eyes... whole life ahead."
0:01:46 > 0:01:49But you don't know what that life'll be, do you?
0:01:49 > 0:01:53Nobody knows how a bairn's life'll turn out.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57Do you recognise him?
0:01:57 > 0:01:59Is it you?
0:01:59 > 0:02:02No, it's Adolf Hitler.
0:02:08 > 0:02:12I cut it out of a magazine!
0:02:12 > 0:02:14Adolf Hitler!
0:02:14 > 0:02:16Look at his cheeky little face!
0:02:18 > 0:02:21Beautiful woman.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23Thanks for showing it to me.
0:02:25 > 0:02:29You must really regret that you couldn't have children.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32Well... They'd have been grown up and gone by now anyway.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34But they'd still be there.
0:02:34 > 0:02:37And you don't have anybody, do you?
0:02:37 > 0:02:41Why's that then? Married to the job?
0:02:41 > 0:02:43Or would it be disloyal?
0:02:43 > 0:02:47Two years since she died, isn't it?
0:02:47 > 0:02:51I just hate the idea of you being lonely, George.
0:02:51 > 0:02:54I'm alone. I'm not lonely.
0:02:56 > 0:02:57Well. I'm not alone.
0:02:57 > 0:03:00I've got Leigh Ann. And now I've got me Mum and Dad again.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02But I am lonely.
0:03:03 > 0:03:07Though not as lonely as I was when I was living with a man who didn't want me.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09I've given up trying to give John advice.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- There you go... - PHONE RINGS
0:03:12 > 0:03:15- No, no, no, no...- Yes. Yes!
0:03:15 > 0:03:16Well... thank you, Lisa.
0:03:16 > 0:03:18That was very nice.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21Is there a Mr Gently here?
0:03:58 > 0:04:01Excuse me...
0:04:01 > 0:04:03It's through that door, Mister.
0:04:03 > 0:04:05Just get home, pet, go on.
0:04:05 > 0:04:09Somebody get hold of these kids and get them home.
0:04:09 > 0:04:17Chap down the corridor heard loud voices about a couple of hours ago, peeked out through his doorway
0:04:17 > 0:04:20and he saw this bloke running towards the stairs.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23He had a cut on his face, blood running from it.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26But our chap did nothing. Because apparently she made a lot of noise.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29Drank a lot. Had a lot of male visitors.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31Somebody's whacked her pretty hard there.
0:04:33 > 0:04:36What's all this about? Hanky covering her eyes?
0:04:36 > 0:04:38What you looking for?
0:04:38 > 0:04:42- There must be a poker here somewhere. - Reckon it was the murder weapon?
0:04:42 > 0:04:44- I know it was.- Why?
0:04:44 > 0:04:46Dark smudges in with the blood.
0:04:46 > 0:04:47You didn't see them, did you? What?
0:04:47 > 0:04:50You thought her mascara had run? It's ash.
0:04:50 > 0:04:53- Have I done something to offend you, guv?- No.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- Here we go.- You found it?
0:05:19 > 0:05:20Birth certificate...
0:05:22 > 0:05:25for one Agnes Charlton.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28- Is that her then?- No. Born 1953.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33Mother Domenica Charlton, aged 19.
0:05:33 > 0:05:35Maybe this is the mother then.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38Make her what? Early 30s...
0:05:38 > 0:05:40Reckon?
0:05:40 > 0:05:42Be about right, wouldn't it?
0:05:42 > 0:05:43Does it give a father's name?
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- Yeah.- You all right?
0:05:53 > 0:05:55Sir, the woman's brother. Mr Paige.
0:05:55 > 0:05:56- I want to see her!- No, you don't.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01- She's me kid sister!- Yes, Mr Paige, but you don't want to see her, believe me. Do you live nearby?
0:06:01 > 0:06:04I'm at me mother's at the minute, but I was in the pub.
0:06:04 > 0:06:06Well, we'd best go and tell her.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08She'll know by now. The whole town knows.
0:06:08 > 0:06:10Take me to your mother's, and we'll talk about it there.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13All right? Just wait in the car.
0:06:13 > 0:06:15- Take him, will you? - Right lads, all yours.
0:06:17 > 0:06:21You stay here and take a full statement from this chap and any other residents you can find.
0:06:21 > 0:06:25When did he last see her alive, anybody know about boyfriends etc.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28The man with the cut on his face...
0:06:28 > 0:06:31has he seen him before, would he know him again.
0:06:31 > 0:06:36And send someone to check all the hospitals in case somebody comes in looking for stitches in his face?
0:06:36 > 0:06:39Saturday night in Newcastle, we'll get the phone book, but do it anyway.
0:06:39 > 0:06:41I'll be back.
0:06:43 > 0:06:48Do you have any idea who might do this to your daughter, Mrs Paige?
0:06:52 > 0:06:58Only her neighbour said that Domenica had a lot of visitors.
0:06:58 > 0:07:01- Men.- We loved Domenica, Inspector,
0:07:01 > 0:07:04we love her. She was always...
0:07:04 > 0:07:09- fragile, when she was a bairn, you know.- She has a daughter.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12Aye... Agnes.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15Where is she?
0:07:15 > 0:07:17She lives with her Dad on the coast.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20Agnes is upstairs asleep.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23She wanted to stop with me tonight.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28- You'd better bring her down. - You fetch her, Darren.
0:07:30 > 0:07:31Do I have to tell her?
0:07:33 > 0:07:35Well, somebody's got to.
0:07:44 > 0:07:46Where on the coast, Mrs Paige?
0:07:46 > 0:07:49What? Oh, Alan. High Blyth.
0:07:49 > 0:07:50Would you
0:07:50 > 0:07:53write his address down for me, please?
0:07:53 > 0:07:55Just here.
0:07:59 > 0:08:00There you go.
0:08:00 > 0:08:03< GIRL CRIES OUT
0:08:09 > 0:08:11How's that child going to live with this?
0:08:14 > 0:08:16When did the marriage fail?
0:08:16 > 0:08:18It never worked.
0:08:18 > 0:08:21It had no chance.
0:08:23 > 0:08:27- I want me mammy, Nana. - Your mammy's in Heaven, Agnes.
0:08:27 > 0:08:33I don't want her to go to Heaven, I want her here!
0:08:33 > 0:08:35Agnes...
0:08:35 > 0:08:36is it all right if I talk to you?
0:08:36 > 0:08:39I don't want to answer questions!
0:08:39 > 0:08:41I want me Mammy back!
0:08:41 > 0:08:43I'm sorry, Agnes. Tomorrow...
0:08:43 > 0:08:45Come on, pet. You can sleep in my bed.
0:08:51 > 0:08:57Agnes's father, Domenica's husband is... Alan Charlton, correct?
0:08:57 > 0:09:02Did your sister have a regular boyfriend, Darren?
0:09:02 > 0:09:05Any enemies?
0:09:05 > 0:09:07Everybody loves Domenica.
0:09:07 > 0:09:12I know that you think bad of her for the way she lives.
0:09:12 > 0:09:15Everybody who knew her loved her.
0:09:15 > 0:09:19She was that sort of lass.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22You were obviously very close. I'm sorry.
0:09:24 > 0:09:26- When did you last see her?- Yesterday?
0:09:26 > 0:09:31Did she seem OK? She didn't mention any problems with her... boyfriends?
0:09:31 > 0:09:33No.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36- Or her husband?- No.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41Would you mind having a look at this for me, please, Darren?
0:09:48 > 0:09:50Dear God. What's she put that for?
0:09:50 > 0:09:55Did your sister think her ex-husband was an evil man?
0:09:55 > 0:09:56No, she loved him.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59And he worshipped the ground she walked on. It'll kill him, this.
0:09:59 > 0:10:01So? Why would she write that?
0:10:03 > 0:10:05Domenica was...
0:10:05 > 0:10:07- fragile...- Fragile.
0:10:07 > 0:10:10Yes.
0:10:10 > 0:10:14When you use the word "fragile" what exactly do you mean by that, Darren?
0:10:18 > 0:10:20There were times when she...
0:10:20 > 0:10:24were taken away. For her own safety, like.
0:10:24 > 0:10:27You mean your sister was mentally disturbed.
0:10:27 > 0:10:29She got sectioned twice.
0:10:32 > 0:10:36Why would you carry your daughter's birth certificate around in your handbag?
0:10:36 > 0:10:38Where's Leigh Ann's birth certificate?
0:10:38 > 0:10:40- Her mother's got it, I suppose. In a drawer somewhere.- Exactly.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43Well, look, from what we know she was crackers, weren't she.
0:10:43 > 0:10:47I mean, when Alan Charlton walks in, he won't have horns and a tail, will he?
0:10:51 > 0:10:55- Taking their time, aren't they? - Tell me again what the bloke down the corridor said.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02That Domenica was shouting.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06There was a man's voice raised and he saw the bloke with the cut face
0:11:06 > 0:11:10but he can't say exactly what time any of this happened...
0:11:10 > 0:11:13on account of being out of his mind on Brown Ale, probably.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17- But he thought he didn't have a local accent.- Scottish accent, he thinks.
0:11:17 > 0:11:19But he was drunk. He was useless.
0:11:19 > 0:11:24All the same, best let the hospitals know we'd particularly like
0:11:24 > 0:11:27to hear about a Scot who needed treatment for a cut on his face.
0:11:27 > 0:11:29Sir?
0:11:32 > 0:11:36How do we play this with the husband, sir? Light or heavy?
0:11:36 > 0:11:38What do you think?
0:11:38 > 0:11:40- Heavy.- Correct.
0:11:55 > 0:11:57It was a savage attack, I'm afraid.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01And her eyes had been covered with a handkerchief.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- Who would want to do that? - You can't think of anybody then?
0:12:04 > 0:12:07Me? No.
0:12:22 > 0:12:24So...
0:12:24 > 0:12:28Where were you earlier on tonight, Alan? Say from six o'clock onwards.
0:12:28 > 0:12:31- I was at home.- Alone?
0:12:31 > 0:12:33As it turned out.
0:12:33 > 0:12:38Normally Agnes is with us but she wanted to get the bus over to her Nana's.
0:12:38 > 0:12:42- Not her mother?- She isn't allowed to go to her mothers.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- For obvious reasons. - On your tod then.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47Can anybody vouch for this?
0:12:47 > 0:12:49- What are you trying to say?- I'm not trying to say anything, Alan.
0:12:49 > 0:12:51I'm just trying to establish where you...
0:12:53 > 0:12:58That's my wife on that trolley.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01You know?
0:13:01 > 0:13:03The woman I married...
0:13:05 > 0:13:07The mother of my bairn...
0:13:13 > 0:13:15Taylor.
0:13:15 > 0:13:17Sir?
0:13:17 > 0:13:21Mr Charlton can go and see his daughter.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23I'm sorry... We'll talk again tomorrow.
0:13:33 > 0:13:36No other injuries apart from the ones to the head.
0:13:36 > 0:13:38Signs of sexual activity but not of rape.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41Died between 5pm and 9pm yesterday.
0:13:41 > 0:13:43- What was in her stomach? - Nothing.- Bloodstream?
0:13:43 > 0:13:46Alcohol and amyl nitrate.
0:13:46 > 0:13:48She used the drugs to keep going, I would guess.
0:13:48 > 0:13:52Sir... Scotch bloke got four stitches put in his head at ten o'clock last night.
0:13:52 > 0:13:54Gave his name as Smith.
0:13:54 > 0:13:57- He's rooming at the Seamen's Hostel in Jarrow.- Have him picked up.
0:13:57 > 0:13:58Take him to Domenica Charlton's.
0:13:58 > 0:14:00Sir...
0:14:02 > 0:14:05Beauty sleep will have to wait.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07YAWNING
0:14:07 > 0:14:12I rang you earlier on, see if you fancied a pint.
0:14:12 > 0:14:13I was out...
0:14:17 > 0:14:19With your wife.
0:14:24 > 0:14:26Did you have a nice time?
0:14:26 > 0:14:28Very.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32She keeping all right?
0:14:32 > 0:14:34Why don't you ask her?
0:14:38 > 0:14:42Hang on... What do you mean "out with your wife"?
0:14:42 > 0:14:43Is this something you do regular?
0:14:43 > 0:14:45Is that a problem, John?
0:14:46 > 0:14:48What did she say about us?
0:14:48 > 0:14:50What... you think we talk about you?
0:14:53 > 0:14:55Here's our Scotsman.
0:14:55 > 0:15:00All I want to say is one thing - you're old enough to be her father.
0:15:11 > 0:15:15Mr Smith, is it? Apologies for dragging you out of bed.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18- What's this about? - What did you do to your head?
0:15:18 > 0:15:20I walked into a wall, why?
0:15:20 > 0:15:24- Happens to you a lot, does it? - When I'm steaming, yeah.
0:15:24 > 0:15:26Come with me, will you please?
0:15:26 > 0:15:29Have a look at this gentleman here, please, Mr Hill, and tell us
0:15:29 > 0:15:32if he's the man you saw leaving Domenica's flat last night.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34Come close. He won't bite.
0:15:36 > 0:15:41No, I don't think so.
0:15:41 > 0:15:42Nah, I don't think so.
0:15:44 > 0:15:47- Are you short-sighted, Mr Hill? - Blind as a bat, actually.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50- Where are your glasses, man? - They're broke.
0:15:52 > 0:15:54Did you wear them when you saw the man?
0:15:54 > 0:15:56No, man, they're smashed.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01Thank you very much, Mr Smith and again, my apologies.
0:16:19 > 0:16:20Any sign of that poker?
0:16:20 > 0:16:22No, sir.
0:16:25 > 0:16:26What we looking for, guv?
0:16:26 > 0:16:29A good recent photo of Domenica.
0:16:36 > 0:16:37Guv...
0:16:43 > 0:16:45Happy as anything, weren't they?
0:16:45 > 0:16:47Must be six, seven years ago that...
0:16:47 > 0:16:49- Anything?- No... Not yet, sir.
0:16:49 > 0:16:50All right...
0:16:54 > 0:16:56Thank you. What sort of a place is this?
0:16:56 > 0:17:00Used to be a fishing village. Nice little beach this...
0:17:00 > 0:17:04been here a few times with my wife and my daughter.
0:17:07 > 0:17:10County built the council estate as overflow.
0:17:10 > 0:17:14People like the Charltons, they flocked here from Newcastle.
0:17:16 > 0:17:21Fresh air and that for the kids, nice little school, plenty of work at the power station
0:17:21 > 0:17:23and steel plant
0:17:23 > 0:17:25down the coast.
0:17:25 > 0:17:29Paradise compared to Byker and Wallsend.
0:17:29 > 0:17:30What's going on up there?
0:17:30 > 0:17:32There's a camp site.
0:17:32 > 0:17:36Gets used a bit in the summer. When we get one.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38If they come back at all this year, that is.
0:17:38 > 0:17:43There's a little lass fell off the cliff last year while she was playing.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46Not good publicity for a holiday destination, is it?
0:17:47 > 0:17:50Paradise, you say.
0:17:50 > 0:17:57But Domenica left her daughter and went to a life of drugs, alcohol and casual sex. Why's that?
0:17:57 > 0:17:59Women are never happy.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03I'll just pretend you didn't say that.
0:18:04 > 0:18:09Because you can take the people out of the slums, but you can't take the slums out of the people?
0:18:13 > 0:18:15Let's ask her husband.
0:18:18 > 0:18:21Morning.
0:18:21 > 0:18:22How are you feeling today?
0:18:24 > 0:18:25Agnes, how are you today?
0:18:27 > 0:18:29She's OK, considering.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33Agnes, this is Sergeant Bacchus.
0:18:33 > 0:18:35That's a funny name.
0:18:35 > 0:18:37Yes, well he's a funny bloke.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40Hello, Agnes.
0:18:40 > 0:18:44In a little while, Agnes, I'm going to ask you to go with this nice lady
0:18:44 > 0:18:47for a cup of tea, because I want to speak to your Dad on his own, OK?
0:18:47 > 0:18:49Agnes should stay with me, I think.
0:18:49 > 0:18:51You said they wouldn't get us on me own.
0:18:51 > 0:18:53It's all right, pet. It's me they want to talk to.
0:18:53 > 0:18:55I'm not going on me own.
0:18:55 > 0:18:58Well. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it, shall we?
0:18:58 > 0:19:03For now I want to ask you both when was the last time you saw Domenica?
0:19:03 > 0:19:07Er... months ago. I cannot be exact.
0:19:07 > 0:19:09Agnes?
0:19:11 > 0:19:15Just tell the man, Agnes. It's all right.
0:19:15 > 0:19:17She didn't go straight to her Nana's.
0:19:17 > 0:19:19I saw her yesterday tea time.
0:19:19 > 0:19:22After school I got the bus to Byker and went to see her.
0:19:22 > 0:19:24Then what happened?
0:19:24 > 0:19:30Well, I fell down and got me skirt muddy so she hit us.
0:19:30 > 0:19:31And then?
0:19:31 > 0:19:37She give us some juice and she said "I'm busy, go and find your Uncle Darren in the pub
0:19:37 > 0:19:42"or go to your Nana's, but tell them not to hit you cos I've already done it",
0:19:42 > 0:19:45so I did.
0:19:45 > 0:19:48When I spoke to your Uncle Darren last night
0:19:48 > 0:19:50he didn't know that you were at your Nana's.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53Me Uncle Darren's a drinker, isn't he, Dad?
0:19:53 > 0:19:58He says, "Oh, Agnes, I love your mother.
0:19:58 > 0:20:02"She's perfect." He's daft.
0:20:02 > 0:20:04Agnes, there's nowt to laugh about.
0:20:04 > 0:20:06Guv... can I have a word?
0:20:07 > 0:20:10Yes... Will you excuse us for a moment?
0:20:14 > 0:20:19She was there last night. After the murder, outside the tenement.
0:20:19 > 0:20:21She was at her Grandmother's, tucked up in bed.
0:20:21 > 0:20:23No, no, sir. I am telling you.
0:20:23 > 0:20:24She was there when I arrived.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27She spoke to us. She said, "It's in there, Mister."
0:20:27 > 0:20:33Get her out of there.
0:20:36 > 0:20:39Will you bring Agnes out and sit with her in number two, please?
0:20:46 > 0:20:49- You say nothing about anything! - Whoa, get back in there.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55Say nothing about what, Agnes?
0:20:55 > 0:20:58You won't put him in the gallows, will you?
0:20:58 > 0:21:00No, we don't do that any more...
0:21:02 > 0:21:04Agnes.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07Was your mother alive when you saw her last?
0:21:13 > 0:21:15Yes, all right, go on.
0:21:15 > 0:21:17Come on, luv.
0:21:17 > 0:21:19No wonder she's screwed up. She saw him do it.
0:21:22 > 0:21:26Don't LIE! Don't you keep lying!
0:21:26 > 0:21:29Just tell me that you lost your temper and I'll believe you!
0:21:29 > 0:21:31This isn't right! Your sergeant's a bully.
0:21:31 > 0:21:33- Shut up, you.- He should be given a break, something to eat.
0:21:33 > 0:21:35A break!? You want a break!
0:21:35 > 0:21:37I'll give you a break!
0:21:37 > 0:21:43I've a mate down the corridor that brings in a rhino whip every time he talks to blokes who kill women!
0:21:43 > 0:21:47- I really object to this! - He's only kidding.
0:21:47 > 0:21:50Do I put that bit in about the rhino whip?
0:21:50 > 0:21:55- No...- Put that I apologise for my rudeness to...
0:21:55 > 0:21:57- what's your name again?- Simmons.
0:21:57 > 0:21:58- Sarah Simmons.- Mrs Simmons.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00Miss Simmons.
0:22:00 > 0:22:03I'm not interested in your marital status, pet.
0:22:03 > 0:22:07I'm not asking you out on a date, I'm asking your client to start telling the truth!
0:22:07 > 0:22:09John.
0:22:09 > 0:22:11May I?
0:22:17 > 0:22:18Alan.
0:22:20 > 0:22:22You haven't got an alibi.
0:22:24 > 0:22:31Your wife abandoned you and your daughter to go and live a debauched life.
0:22:31 > 0:22:35Which the court will see as a motive.
0:22:35 > 0:22:40And when I spoke to your daughter she said that the last time she saw her mother... she was dead.
0:22:43 > 0:22:46So is there something you'd like to get off your chest, Alan?
0:22:50 > 0:22:51All right...
0:22:54 > 0:22:58Stand up, please, Mr Charlton.
0:23:02 > 0:23:06Alan Charlton, I'm charging you with the murder
0:23:06 > 0:23:11of your wife, Domenica Charlton on the 5th February just gone.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14You do not have to say anything but anything you do say will be taken
0:23:14 > 0:23:18down and may be used in evidence against you. Do you understand?
0:23:18 > 0:23:21Yes.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24Are you really going to make me do this?
0:23:24 > 0:23:28Are you going to make me put Agnes in the witness box and let the prosecution loose on her?
0:23:28 > 0:23:30- She's only a bairn, man. - It's your choice.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34OK. If you won't tell me what happened, Agnes will have to.
0:23:34 > 0:23:36Wait.
0:23:36 > 0:23:38You do not have to say anything, and I advise you not to.
0:23:38 > 0:23:41What about Agnes?
0:23:41 > 0:23:44- Can they question her in court?- Yes.
0:23:47 > 0:23:49Alan...
0:23:58 > 0:24:01Your daughter was at your wife's house last night. I saw her.
0:24:03 > 0:24:06I think
0:24:06 > 0:24:08you murdered your wife in front of her.
0:24:08 > 0:24:09No...
0:24:09 > 0:24:11Now your daughter is all screwed up.
0:24:11 > 0:24:16She loves you, she wants to protect you,
0:24:16 > 0:24:18but she will end up telling us everything.
0:24:21 > 0:24:25Everything. So why don't you give her a break, Alan?
0:24:33 > 0:24:36SHE SIGHS
0:24:36 > 0:24:40You promise you'll leave Agnes out of it?
0:24:40 > 0:24:43You make your statement. Then I'll tell you what I will or won't do.
0:24:45 > 0:24:48I had warned
0:24:48 > 0:24:51Domenica time and again.
0:24:51 > 0:24:58I didn't want Agnes hanging around that place if she was going to go on living like that.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00She told me
0:25:00 > 0:25:02Agnes was none of my business.
0:25:02 > 0:25:04What did she mean by that?
0:25:15 > 0:25:19Why did she cross out your name and put "Satan"?
0:25:27 > 0:25:29Domenica was...
0:25:29 > 0:25:31ill, Mr Gently.
0:25:31 > 0:25:33She couldn't help herself sometimes.
0:25:33 > 0:25:36This was just another way of...
0:25:36 > 0:25:43- taunting us. - According to your marriage licence, you and Domenica got married
0:25:43 > 0:25:47four months before Agnes was born, yes?
0:25:47 > 0:25:50Agnes was an accident.
0:25:51 > 0:25:53Domenica didn't want the bairn.
0:25:54 > 0:25:56I made her have her.
0:25:57 > 0:25:59She never forgave me...
0:25:59 > 0:26:01or Agnes.
0:26:01 > 0:26:04We "ruined her life" apparently.
0:26:04 > 0:26:07So what happened last night, Alan?
0:26:07 > 0:26:09I went
0:26:09 > 0:26:13looking for Agnes when she didn't come home from school.
0:26:17 > 0:26:19I found her with her mam...
0:26:19 > 0:26:22and some bloke.
0:26:22 > 0:26:23They were both drunk.
0:26:23 > 0:26:27- I chased him.- You chased him?
0:26:27 > 0:26:28Told him to get lost.
0:26:28 > 0:26:30He just went.
0:26:32 > 0:26:34- Did he have a Scottish accent?- No.
0:26:34 > 0:26:37No, he was local.
0:26:37 > 0:26:42- Positive? - Yes, positive.- Did you hit him?- No.
0:26:43 > 0:26:45Well, I might have done.
0:26:45 > 0:26:48He just ran.
0:26:48 > 0:26:50- Then what?- I told Agnes
0:26:50 > 0:26:52to go to her Nana's.
0:26:52 > 0:26:54I tried
0:26:54 > 0:26:57one last time
0:26:57 > 0:26:59to reason with Domenica.
0:26:59 > 0:27:03She hit us, she spat at us...
0:27:04 > 0:27:06I lost my temper.
0:27:06 > 0:27:08I had just
0:27:08 > 0:27:10- had enough.- Then what?
0:27:12 > 0:27:14Then what, Alan?
0:27:21 > 0:27:23I killed her.
0:27:27 > 0:27:29I killed Domenica.
0:27:29 > 0:27:32How?
0:27:32 > 0:27:36- With a poker.- Where is it?
0:27:36 > 0:27:39Bottom of the North Sea.
0:27:39 > 0:27:42Why did you cover her eyes?
0:27:42 > 0:27:43I just...
0:27:45 > 0:27:50- I don't know why I did that. - No reason?
0:27:50 > 0:27:52I don't know.
0:27:52 > 0:27:56You do mad things when you're in a state.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02They were staring at us.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05Yes, staring open, so...
0:28:08 > 0:28:10- You'll keep the bargain?- Yes.
0:28:11 > 0:28:13Agnes can go home.
0:28:13 > 0:28:14Home?
0:28:17 > 0:28:20She doesn't have a home now, Mr Gently.
0:28:23 > 0:28:28Well, he can cancel the milk for about 15 years, I reckon.
0:28:28 > 0:28:32They'll plead provocation, crime of passion, defence brief will
0:28:32 > 0:28:36demolish the wife's reputation so he could get away with 12, actually.
0:28:37 > 0:28:41- Fancy a drink to celebrate?- No.
0:28:41 > 0:28:42What's the matter, guv?
0:28:42 > 0:28:46You know what's the matter. The handkerchief.
0:28:46 > 0:28:50Somebody put in on her after she died. Why?
0:28:50 > 0:28:52Who?
0:28:52 > 0:28:55I don't think it was Alan Charlton.
0:28:55 > 0:29:01Our blind witness talked about a man with a Scottish accent.
0:29:01 > 0:29:05Alan said the man he found with Domenica had a local accent. So which was it?
0:29:05 > 0:29:07What difference does it make?
0:29:09 > 0:29:13You still don't think Charlton did it, do you?
0:29:13 > 0:29:14Too many loose ends.
0:29:17 > 0:29:23He had no alibi, he had a motive, he knew what the murder weapon was and he confessed.
0:29:28 > 0:29:30What was all that about a rhino whip?
0:29:30 > 0:29:32Eh? Oh, no, no, no...
0:29:32 > 0:29:34he only does it to frighten them.
0:29:34 > 0:29:36I've never seen him use it.
0:29:36 > 0:29:38Well, good. Have a nice weekend.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40Yeah, you an all, guv...
0:29:45 > 0:29:48- Nice motor.- What do you want?
0:29:48 > 0:29:50There's no need to be like that.
0:29:50 > 0:29:53You are probably the most offensive human being I've ever met.
0:29:53 > 0:29:55You just need to get to know us a bit better.
0:29:55 > 0:29:59What you doing later?
0:29:59 > 0:30:02- Ever heard the word "protocol"?- What protocol? Your client's coughed.
0:30:02 > 0:30:04Go on.
0:30:04 > 0:30:06A little drink. Mebbes a bite to eat.
0:30:08 > 0:30:12- The Goose in Howden. - Howden?- Up near Kielder.
0:30:12 > 0:30:15- That's miles away, isn't it?- Well, do you want a drink or don't you?
0:30:15 > 0:30:18Yeah, yeah, of course, just
0:30:18 > 0:30:20remind me how to, er?
0:30:20 > 0:30:22A68 towards Wooler...
0:30:24 > 0:30:27..follow the signs for Kielder
0:30:27 > 0:30:28then Howden.
0:30:28 > 0:30:30And the pub's called The Goose?
0:30:30 > 0:30:33The Wild Goose, actually, but you can't miss it.
0:30:33 > 0:30:34I'll be there at seven o'clock.
0:30:34 > 0:30:36If you're not, I'll be gone at five past.
0:30:36 > 0:30:38No, no, no, I'll be there.
0:31:11 > 0:31:13"DR WHO" IS ON THE TELEVISION
0:31:13 > 0:31:16KNOCK ON DOOR
0:31:18 > 0:31:21GENTLY: Evening, Mrs Paige. Could I see Agnes please?
0:31:21 > 0:31:24- I told you he'd come.- Of course. - Agnes, just...
0:31:24 > 0:31:26I will need to speak to her alone.
0:31:26 > 0:31:28- Come in.- Thank you.
0:31:28 > 0:31:30He wants to talk to Agnes on her own.
0:31:30 > 0:31:33- She's upset, man, she won't know what...- Would you mind, please?
0:31:39 > 0:31:40How are you, Agnes?
0:31:40 > 0:31:42I'm OK.
0:31:44 > 0:31:46There's something I have to ask you.
0:31:46 > 0:31:48It's nothing to worry about.
0:31:48 > 0:31:50Cos it makes no difference to what will happen to your Dad.
0:31:50 > 0:31:52Do you understand?
0:31:56 > 0:32:00Were you there when your Dad hit your Mammy?
0:32:00 > 0:32:02No. I ran away.
0:32:03 > 0:32:07Was there anybody else in the room?
0:32:07 > 0:32:08No.
0:32:10 > 0:32:11Did you go back in?
0:32:11 > 0:32:13Afterwards?
0:32:16 > 0:32:18Why, Agnes?
0:32:18 > 0:32:23To see her. She was dead.
0:32:28 > 0:32:30Did you do anything?
0:32:33 > 0:32:35Could you tell me about it?
0:32:36 > 0:32:38Her eyes were open.
0:32:38 > 0:32:41I put me hankie over her. Like this.
0:33:00 > 0:33:03Excuse me.
0:33:03 > 0:33:05- Is there a pub round here? - What, here?
0:33:05 > 0:33:07Yeah. Here. Is this Howden?
0:33:07 > 0:33:09Aye. But there's no pub here.
0:33:09 > 0:33:12What pub you looking for?
0:33:12 > 0:33:14It's called The Goose...
0:33:14 > 0:33:16Or The Wild Goose?
0:33:20 > 0:33:22I think somebody was having us on.
0:33:22 > 0:33:24Sorry.
0:33:25 > 0:33:28The Wild Goose chase...very clever.
0:33:34 > 0:33:38In goal, Ronnie Simpson. Right back, Bobby Cowell.
0:33:38 > 0:33:40Left back, Ron Batty.
0:33:40 > 0:33:44Right half Jimmy Scoular. Outside right, Len White.
0:33:44 > 0:33:48It was Agnes. She covered her mother's face.
0:33:50 > 0:33:52Poor little lass.
0:33:52 > 0:33:55And Outside Left, Bobby Mitchell!
0:33:59 > 0:34:03Thank you and goodnight, sensation seekers everywhere.
0:34:15 > 0:34:17Used to come here with John.
0:34:17 > 0:34:21When we could drag him away from the pub or work.
0:34:23 > 0:34:27I feel sorry for him, cos he'll turn round in 15 years
0:34:27 > 0:34:32and say, "Oh, Leigh Ann's all grown up and I missed it."
0:34:32 > 0:34:36- But he sees her, doesn't he?- Yeah, he has her every other weekend.
0:34:36 > 0:34:38But what does he do?
0:34:38 > 0:34:41He buys her things. He doesn't know how to do anything with her.
0:34:43 > 0:34:47When I go to pick her up she can't wait to leave.
0:34:47 > 0:34:50She never mentions him any more.
0:34:50 > 0:34:52She's forgetting him.
0:34:52 > 0:34:55I don't want her to grow up without a Dad.
0:34:57 > 0:35:02- What's that mean?- It means I'm going to ask for a divorce.
0:35:04 > 0:35:07And I'm going to find somebody else.
0:35:08 > 0:35:10For me and for her.
0:35:16 > 0:35:19I shouldn't really. She's never seen her mam smoke.
0:35:19 > 0:35:21I'll take her for a paddle.
0:35:21 > 0:35:24- Would you?- Yes.
0:35:24 > 0:35:28Come on, sweetheart, let's go for a paddle. Come on.
0:35:28 > 0:35:30You can bring your bucket.
0:35:30 > 0:35:32You don't need your spade.
0:35:32 > 0:35:34All right, bring your spade, come on.
0:35:38 > 0:35:41Won't be long, Geraint, then we'll go on the beach now, OK?
0:35:41 > 0:35:44Cup of tea first, though.
0:35:44 > 0:35:46No, straight to the beach.
0:35:46 > 0:35:48Isn't that right, Geraint?
0:35:48 > 0:35:51Straight to the beach as soon as I park the car.
0:35:56 > 0:35:57Geraint?
0:35:57 > 0:36:00- Geraint!- Geraint!
0:36:00 > 0:36:02- Geraint!- Geraint!
0:36:02 > 0:36:04Geraint!
0:36:04 > 0:36:06- Geraint!- Geraint!
0:36:06 > 0:36:08Geraint!
0:36:10 > 0:36:13- What's going on?- I found him on the steps down to the beach.
0:36:13 > 0:36:16"Going for a paddle", he said.
0:36:16 > 0:36:19See you. Have a nice holiday.
0:36:19 > 0:36:21Hey, thanks.
0:36:24 > 0:36:27Who was that masked man?
0:36:27 > 0:36:29That was The Lone Ranger.
0:36:47 > 0:36:50You're supposed to be on holiday.
0:36:50 > 0:36:51This is personal.
0:36:53 > 0:36:55So what are you trying to do...
0:36:55 > 0:36:59- make me look like a fool? - Do you think you need help?
0:36:59 > 0:37:01I went round to my in-laws yesterday afternoon.
0:37:01 > 0:37:04Have you any idea what that costs me?
0:37:04 > 0:37:06Why... did you take a taxi?
0:37:07 > 0:37:09I had to grovel.
0:37:09 > 0:37:11"Can I please see my daughter?"
0:37:11 > 0:37:15"No, you can't, it's the wrong weekend and anyway they're out.
0:37:15 > 0:37:18With Mr Gently again.
0:37:18 > 0:37:22- Well, as you said, it wasn't your weekend.- OK, what's going on?
0:37:23 > 0:37:25There are people
0:37:25 > 0:37:28laughing at me.
0:37:28 > 0:37:30Who is laughing at you exactly?
0:37:30 > 0:37:32- Everybody.- You fancy a cup of tea?
0:37:32 > 0:37:34- Get out.- Get out.
0:37:34 > 0:37:37I'll tell you what's going on.
0:37:37 > 0:37:39Your wife is lonely and confused.
0:37:39 > 0:37:42Has been confused. I don't think she is any more.
0:37:42 > 0:37:44She just wanted a friendly face to talk to.
0:37:44 > 0:37:47You can talk on the phone.
0:37:47 > 0:37:50You don't need to take them both on days out.
0:37:50 > 0:37:52Hang on. "Has been"
0:37:52 > 0:37:54confused. What does that mean?
0:37:54 > 0:37:58There are two things not going on between me and your wife.
0:37:58 > 0:38:00The first one is so obvious I'm not even going to say it.
0:38:00 > 0:38:04- Everybody else is.- The second is that I am not a go-between.
0:38:04 > 0:38:07If you want to know what's on your wife's mind, you go and ask her.
0:38:07 > 0:38:10You're looking for a smack in the gob, mate.
0:38:10 > 0:38:11Sir. There's a two-year-old boy's gone missing from a camp site.
0:38:11 > 0:38:15Taylor, this is CID, it's not the Mountain Rescue Team.
0:38:15 > 0:38:17Why don't you come back when there's a crime.
0:38:17 > 0:38:18How long's he been missing?
0:38:18 > 0:38:21- 22 hours, sir.- That's too long.
0:38:21 > 0:38:23Bring me the details.
0:38:29 > 0:38:31OK if I come along, guv?
0:38:41 > 0:38:45He's called Robin. According to his folks he's never wandered off before.
0:38:45 > 0:38:47Thanks, love.
0:38:47 > 0:38:51Robin... Robin...
0:38:51 > 0:38:55Robin, where are you?
0:38:55 > 0:38:57Robin...
0:39:03 > 0:39:04Darren?
0:39:04 > 0:39:06Oi!
0:39:08 > 0:39:15Hello. Me and me mam moved into Alan's house with Agnes. I heard a little lad's gone missing.
0:39:15 > 0:39:18That's just the other side of the camp site, isn't it?
0:39:18 > 0:39:21No, no... It's a long way away from the camp site.
0:39:21 > 0:39:23How is Agnes?
0:39:23 > 0:39:26Just watching the telly with her Nana.
0:39:26 > 0:39:30I think I'd better go and make the tea.
0:39:34 > 0:39:39Is there anybody in that family that's not totally crackers?
0:39:40 > 0:39:42It's going to be dark soon.
0:39:44 > 0:39:46I don't like this.
0:39:50 > 0:39:54That little boy who went over the cliff last year. How far away?
0:39:54 > 0:39:56That was half a mile. It was a little girl.
0:39:56 > 0:39:58What killed her?
0:39:58 > 0:40:01Injuries sustained in the fall as far as I remember.
0:40:01 > 0:40:05You know it was an accident. Kids were playing on the cliff edge and, er...
0:40:05 > 0:40:12She fell over. And the kids didn't tell anybody, so they didn't find the body until the next morning.
0:40:12 > 0:40:16So the other kids actually saw it happen?
0:40:16 > 0:40:18It wasn't my case, guv.
0:40:18 > 0:40:22I just think the kids denied being there in case they got into trouble.
0:40:22 > 0:40:24So we don't know how she went over?
0:40:26 > 0:40:28Who found her?
0:40:30 > 0:40:32I don't know...
0:40:32 > 0:40:33- Taylor!?- Sir.
0:40:36 > 0:40:41Remember that kid that fell over the cliff last year...
0:40:41 > 0:40:43- who found her?- Er...
0:40:43 > 0:40:44Some bloke passing by.
0:40:44 > 0:40:46I took the call myself.
0:40:46 > 0:40:49What he was just walking his dog on the beach?
0:40:49 > 0:40:52No, he was on his way to work in the steel works.
0:40:52 > 0:40:54Five o'clock in the morning.
0:40:54 > 0:40:56He's walking to work along the beach?
0:40:56 > 0:41:00No, no, he said he was driving along in his car on the top road.
0:41:02 > 0:41:06Sir, you can't see the bottom of the cliff from the road.
0:41:06 > 0:41:10Get me that man's details and I want the forensic on that dead girl.
0:41:10 > 0:41:13On my desk tomorrow morning. Come on.
0:41:29 > 0:41:30Mr McManus?
0:41:33 > 0:41:38- Aye?- We'd like to talk to you about the death of Laura Gadd last year. Is there somewhere we can go?
0:41:39 > 0:41:41Yeah.
0:41:41 > 0:41:48So. You stopped the car because you needed a crap and that is why
0:41:48 > 0:41:53you went down to the beach and that is where you found the body of little Laura Gadd...
0:41:53 > 0:41:55That's right.
0:41:55 > 0:41:57Do you expect me to believe that?
0:41:57 > 0:42:00There's nothing in your statement about being caught short.
0:42:00 > 0:42:04- Well... I was a bit embarrassed, know what I mean?- You were a two minute drive from work...
0:42:04 > 0:42:07You couldn't wait two minutes. What?
0:42:07 > 0:42:09- Are there no toilets here?- Have you never needed a crap, Sergeant?
0:42:09 > 0:42:11I've never needed a crap detector.
0:42:11 > 0:42:14Not when it's a pile as big as this.
0:42:14 > 0:42:21I understand you were once cautioned for a sexual offence, Mr McManus.
0:42:21 > 0:42:24Ten years ago. The girl told me she was over 16.
0:42:24 > 0:42:27- How the hell was I supposed to know? - Like them young, do you?
0:42:27 > 0:42:30Look, the police believed us or they'd've charged me.
0:42:30 > 0:42:34No, no, a caution is a charge.
0:42:34 > 0:42:37Do you like little boys as well, Neil?
0:42:37 > 0:42:39What's this about?
0:42:39 > 0:42:43There's a campsite near the cliff top. Do you know it?
0:42:43 > 0:42:46- No.- Never been there? - What's this about?
0:42:46 > 0:42:50A little boy went missing from there on Sunday. You must know about that.
0:42:50 > 0:42:52- Yeah, I heard about it.- So?
0:42:55 > 0:42:57Come on,
0:42:57 > 0:42:59you're pulling my leg.
0:42:59 > 0:43:03- Where were you Sunday afternoon and evening?- At home.
0:43:03 > 0:43:04Alone?
0:43:04 > 0:43:08- No, my wife was there. - So your wife could corroborate that?
0:43:12 > 0:43:14I was out...
0:43:14 > 0:43:17I was out for a drive. On my own. I was just driving around.
0:43:17 > 0:43:19Really?
0:43:19 > 0:43:23- Anybody vouch for that?- No.- No...
0:43:23 > 0:43:27I need you to come down to the station with us, please.
0:43:29 > 0:43:31Have his wife brought in.
0:43:31 > 0:43:33He was lying though, wasn't he, sir?
0:43:33 > 0:43:37- 100%.- I love it when Jocks think they're clever.
0:43:37 > 0:43:43Excuse me. Is there any corner of mankind that you don't have some kind of problem with, Sergeant?
0:43:43 > 0:43:46Rhetorical question, I presume that.
0:43:46 > 0:43:49- I just want to dig deeper into Rob Roy's past, OK?- Sir?
0:43:49 > 0:43:53- Busy.- There's a bloke called Williams here.
0:43:53 > 0:43:58Says some man's been behaving suspiciously with his young lad at the campsite.
0:43:58 > 0:44:02And this was definitely Sunday, same day Robin Pershore was taken away?
0:44:02 > 0:44:05Yeah, we'd just arrived, see?
0:44:05 > 0:44:13We'd left Geraint sitting in the car, only he wandered off the way he does and this chap had his hand.
0:44:13 > 0:44:16Leading him away? Or bringing him back?
0:44:16 > 0:44:19Well, it's hard to tell, isn't it...
0:44:19 > 0:44:21We spotted them and shouted, you see.
0:44:21 > 0:44:23Would you recognise this man again?
0:44:23 > 0:44:26- Oh, yes.- Can you describe him?
0:44:26 > 0:44:29Big fella, fair hair and he had a beard.
0:44:40 > 0:44:42- Hello, Agnes.- Hello.
0:44:42 > 0:44:44Is your Uncle Darren in?
0:44:44 > 0:44:46No.
0:44:46 > 0:44:48Do you know where he is?
0:44:52 > 0:44:55He's on me Dad's allotment. He's took it over.
0:44:55 > 0:44:57Right. Where's that?
0:44:59 > 0:45:01Where is it, Agnes?
0:45:05 > 0:45:07They tell me you have something more to say.
0:45:09 > 0:45:11I was with a lass called Angela.
0:45:11 > 0:45:13- On Sunday.- Angela.
0:45:13 > 0:45:16That's a nice name.
0:45:16 > 0:45:17Tell me about Angela.
0:45:17 > 0:45:20She was the wee girl that showed you where I was today.
0:45:20 > 0:45:23Very nice. And?
0:45:25 > 0:45:28The wife doesn't have to know about this, does she?
0:45:28 > 0:45:31- About what?- Angela's married to the next-door neighbour.
0:45:31 > 0:45:34Oh dear.
0:45:34 > 0:45:37- We have to be careful, obviously. - Obviously.
0:45:37 > 0:45:39So we do it in the car.
0:45:39 > 0:45:43And that's what you were doing on Sunday afternoon?
0:45:43 > 0:45:44Angela.
0:45:44 > 0:45:46Yeah.
0:45:46 > 0:45:49And she'll tell me the same story?
0:45:49 > 0:45:52- If she has to.- She will have to.
0:45:53 > 0:45:58So you're not satisfied within the marriage, I take it?
0:46:00 > 0:46:03Angela the only woman you're seeing outside the marriage?
0:46:03 > 0:46:05- What's that got to...?- Just answer.
0:46:05 > 0:46:08Look...
0:46:08 > 0:46:10I get it where I can. OK with you?
0:46:10 > 0:46:12Perfectly.
0:46:13 > 0:46:16Does the name Domenica Charlton mean anything to you?
0:46:16 > 0:46:18No.
0:46:23 > 0:46:26What?
0:46:26 > 0:46:28Is that the tart that was done in by her husband?
0:46:29 > 0:46:32Got what was coming to her.
0:46:32 > 0:46:34Because?
0:46:34 > 0:46:35Shagging other men?
0:46:35 > 0:46:40Oh-ho! I'd have done the same if I was him.
0:46:40 > 0:46:42I see. But you never knew her?
0:46:42 > 0:46:45No.
0:46:45 > 0:46:47So, you and Angela.
0:46:49 > 0:46:51Angela is married, you said?
0:46:51 > 0:46:53Yeah.
0:46:53 > 0:46:57Well, let's hope her husband doesn't give her what's coming to her, eh?
0:46:59 > 0:47:01You give her a lift to work, I take it?
0:47:01 > 0:47:03That's how it all started.
0:47:03 > 0:47:06Every so often you find a deserted bit of cliff top,
0:47:06 > 0:47:10pull the car over and start the day with a smile.
0:47:12 > 0:47:15On the beach?
0:47:15 > 0:47:17On the back seat. In a lay-by.
0:47:17 > 0:47:23Mr McManus, we've already established that you can't see the beach from the road.
0:47:23 > 0:47:26So how come you found the body of Laura Gadd?
0:47:30 > 0:47:34Somebody else found it. Came tapping on the car window.
0:47:34 > 0:47:36- A man.- Can you describe him?
0:47:36 > 0:47:39Heavy-set bloke, fair hair.
0:47:46 > 0:47:47Mr Paige can I have a...
0:47:47 > 0:47:49Oi!
0:47:58 > 0:48:01Get off, get off! Get Off!
0:48:03 > 0:48:05Hands behind your back.
0:48:05 > 0:48:06There he was at the window.
0:48:06 > 0:48:10- I'm trying to get me pants up and Angela's trying to...- All right.
0:48:10 > 0:48:12What did he say?
0:48:12 > 0:48:15"There's a girl dead on the beach, you better call the police."
0:48:15 > 0:48:17- Then what?- Then he ran off.
0:48:17 > 0:48:22I went down to the beach and found the wee girl and...
0:48:22 > 0:48:24then I phoned the police.
0:48:24 > 0:48:28Why didn't you mention this man to the police?
0:48:28 > 0:48:29He saw what we we're doing.
0:48:29 > 0:48:33I didn't want him saying anything to the police about me and Angela.
0:48:33 > 0:48:35Which way did he run?
0:48:35 > 0:48:41- Towards High Blyth.- Would you recognise him if you saw him again?
0:48:41 > 0:48:44I don't know. It was a year ago.
0:48:44 > 0:48:46The windows were all steamed up, you know?
0:48:56 > 0:48:58Angela confirmed your alibi.
0:48:58 > 0:49:00You're free to go.
0:49:00 > 0:49:04If I were you, I'd modify my behaviour in future.
0:49:04 > 0:49:06If my granny had handlebars, she'd be a fish.
0:49:08 > 0:49:09Yes...
0:49:09 > 0:49:13You have no reason not to answer this question truthfully.
0:49:13 > 0:49:19Is this the man who tapped on your car window and told you there was a dead girl on the beach a year ago?
0:49:21 > 0:49:23That's him right enough.
0:49:23 > 0:49:27Good. Nice meeting you. Give my love to Angela.
0:49:27 > 0:49:30Mr Williams.
0:49:30 > 0:49:35Is this the man who had your son's hand on Sunday? Please be sure.
0:49:40 > 0:49:42I'm not sure.
0:49:42 > 0:49:44Would you like a closer look?
0:49:53 > 0:49:54What were you going to do to my son?
0:49:54 > 0:49:57What were you going to do to him?!
0:49:57 > 0:49:59- HE WHIMPERS - What were you going to do to him?!
0:49:59 > 0:50:02I'll kill him!
0:50:02 > 0:50:03What were you going to do to him?!
0:50:06 > 0:50:11You were present at the scene of one death - Laura Gadd - a year ago
0:50:11 > 0:50:16and one abduction - Robin Pershore - on Sunday! This is no coincidence!
0:50:16 > 0:50:17Where is he, Darren?
0:50:17 > 0:50:22You tell me what you've done with Robin Pershore!
0:50:24 > 0:50:27You tell me or I swear
0:50:27 > 0:50:29I will beat it out of you!
0:50:33 > 0:50:37- Don't let him hit us, please. - I wouldn't dream of stopping him.
0:50:37 > 0:50:40HE SCREAMS AND WHIMPERS
0:50:40 > 0:50:41Tell us!
0:50:41 > 0:50:43Tell me!
0:50:45 > 0:50:48- Tell me!- He's in the shed!
0:50:48 > 0:50:51He's in the shed.
0:50:51 > 0:50:54Oh, God! The shed, I didn't look.
0:51:06 > 0:51:09SIREN WAILS
0:51:15 > 0:51:17Come on. There we go.
0:51:17 > 0:51:20There you go. They'll take you home to Mummy. Go on.
0:51:26 > 0:51:30There's food and drink in there and all. Looks like he's been well cared for.
0:51:30 > 0:51:31Good.
0:51:34 > 0:51:39Darren Paige, I'm charging you with abduction and false imprisonment.
0:51:39 > 0:51:43You do not have to say anything, but anything you do say will be taken down
0:51:43 > 0:51:45and may be used in evidence against you.
0:51:45 > 0:51:48You'll also have to answer questions about the death of Laura Gadd.
0:51:50 > 0:51:53Did you push her off the cliff, Darren?
0:51:53 > 0:51:54Huh?
0:51:55 > 0:51:57Huh? No?
0:51:57 > 0:51:59How did you know her body was there then?
0:51:59 > 0:52:00Look...
0:52:02 > 0:52:06..you want to do it the easy way this time, Darren, or the hard way?
0:52:07 > 0:52:10- Hard way then.- No, please.
0:52:10 > 0:52:12I'll leave you to it, John.
0:52:12 > 0:52:14My sergeant's less inhibited when I'm not here.
0:52:14 > 0:52:18- How did you know her body was on the beach?- I'll come back in half an hour, John?
0:52:18 > 0:52:21- HE SCREAMS - Agnes! Agnes told me!
0:52:21 > 0:52:23Agnes told you?
0:52:23 > 0:52:25Don't be pathetic, man.
0:52:27 > 0:52:29He's lying, guv.
0:52:34 > 0:52:36Any idea where I can find her?
0:52:36 > 0:52:39All she said was she was going out to play.
0:52:39 > 0:52:42You could try the campsite.
0:52:53 > 0:52:54Where are the kids?
0:52:56 > 0:52:58- DISTANT VOICES SING - # The farmer's in his den
0:52:58 > 0:53:00# Ee aye addio
0:53:00 > 0:53:02# The farmer's in his den.
0:53:02 > 0:53:04# The farmer wants a wife
0:53:04 > 0:53:06# The farmer wants a wife
0:53:06 > 0:53:08# Ee aye addio
0:53:08 > 0:53:10# The farmer wants a wife. #
0:53:13 > 0:53:16You have to pick me, it's my game.
0:53:19 > 0:53:21# The wife wants a bairn
0:53:21 > 0:53:24# The wife wants a bairn
0:53:24 > 0:53:26# Ee aye addio
0:53:26 > 0:53:28# The wife wants a bairn. #
0:53:35 > 0:53:37Agnes?
0:53:43 > 0:53:45What's funny, Agnes?
0:53:45 > 0:53:47Yous.
0:53:47 > 0:53:49Yous think you can see us.
0:53:49 > 0:53:51I know you cannot.
0:53:53 > 0:53:55Maybe he wasn't lying.
0:53:59 > 0:54:04Tell the Press Office I want nothing leaked about this. She must have anonymity.
0:54:04 > 0:54:09The papers'll have her name before the day's out. Somebody here will tell somebody something.
0:54:09 > 0:54:12John, this is a case like any other.
0:54:12 > 0:54:13Not any more, it isn't.
0:54:15 > 0:54:17She's been given a solicitor.
0:54:19 > 0:54:21Oh, you're joking!
0:54:22 > 0:54:25You think I asked for it? Her dad asked me to take this on.
0:54:25 > 0:54:27- Great.- Sort yourselves out.
0:54:31 > 0:54:35OK, look. It was a childish prank. I apologise.
0:54:35 > 0:54:37No hard feelings?
0:54:39 > 0:54:40Apologise to her.
0:54:43 > 0:54:44I apologise.
0:54:45 > 0:54:46Good.
0:54:46 > 0:54:51We have reason to suspect that Agnes may have been involved in the death of Laura Gadd
0:54:51 > 0:54:54who disappeared from a campsite near her home.
0:54:54 > 0:54:57- Her uncle is lying to save his own neck.- Possibly,
0:54:57 > 0:55:02- but I have to question Agnes just like I would any other suspect. - She says she knows nothing,
0:55:02 > 0:55:05but I think she's being loyal to her uncle. She's a child.
0:55:05 > 0:55:13If you'd been at that campsite, and seen the look on her face as she singled out this little lad...
0:55:13 > 0:55:16- There is such a thing as evil.- Evil?
0:55:16 > 0:55:19- Is this the line your questioning's going to take?- No, it isn't.
0:55:19 > 0:55:23I don't believe in evil people, but I do believe in evil actions.
0:55:23 > 0:55:27I feel there's a lot we don't know about Agnes. She's clearly disturbed.
0:55:27 > 0:55:30- Then she should be in a psychiatric unit, not a police station.- Maybe.
0:55:30 > 0:55:34Right now I have to decide if she's a killer.
0:55:40 > 0:55:45- How are they treating you at the children's home, Agnes? - They're horrible.
0:55:45 > 0:55:50All you get is, "How do you feel? How do you feel?" They're like the Daleks.
0:55:50 > 0:55:52And how do you feel, Agnes?
0:55:52 > 0:55:55What am I getting wrong for? Just for playing The Farmer's In His Den?
0:55:55 > 0:56:01How is it you were able to tell your Uncle Darren about Laura Gadd's body being on the beach, Agnes?
0:56:01 > 0:56:03I didn't. Why's he saying that?
0:56:03 > 0:56:07Now why do you think he might say that if it wasn't true?
0:56:09 > 0:56:12I don't want to get me Uncle Darren in trouble.
0:56:12 > 0:56:14- It's all right. - You must tell us the truth, Agnes.
0:56:14 > 0:56:19Did you tell Uncle Darren where to find Laura Gadd's body?
0:56:19 > 0:56:20I don't even know who she is.
0:56:21 > 0:56:23You do know who she is, Agnes.
0:56:23 > 0:56:27- How did you know her body was there? - I don't know what you're talking about, man.
0:56:27 > 0:56:30She fell off the cliff playing Blind Man's Buff, anyway.
0:56:30 > 0:56:33- How do you know that? - It was in the Chronicle.
0:56:33 > 0:56:38Where were you three days ago, Agnes, when little Robin Pershore was taken away from the campsite?
0:56:38 > 0:56:41You don't have to answer that, Agnes, if you don't want to.
0:56:41 > 0:56:46- I thought we were here to talk about what happened to Laura Gadd. - Yes, we are.
0:56:46 > 0:56:49- And the abduction of Robin Pershore. - Why have you got a funny name?
0:56:49 > 0:56:52Never mind that! Where were you on Sunday?
0:56:52 > 0:56:54If you have bairns, they'll get the funny name.
0:56:54 > 0:56:58- Barney and Beryl Bacchus.- Just answer the question, please, Agnes.
0:56:58 > 0:57:00They'll get laughed at. It'll be your fault.
0:57:00 > 0:57:06- Have you got a bairn? I bet you cannot see her!- Why don't you just shut your face, Agnes?!
0:57:06 > 0:57:07OK.
0:57:10 > 0:57:14- Is this your client refusing to answer questions, is it? - Go and get a cup of tea, John.
0:57:14 > 0:57:16- Guv.- Go and get a cup of tea.
0:57:42 > 0:57:46- Hello there. Would I be speaking to Domenica?- Domenica?
0:57:46 > 0:57:50- Domenica's dead. - I'm so sorry. How embarrassing.
0:57:50 > 0:57:52That's local bureaucracy for you.
0:57:52 > 0:57:55- Sorry, you would be?- Her mother.
0:57:55 > 0:57:59Right. My name's David Cohen, I'm with the Children's Department.
0:57:59 > 0:58:02I've been sent here to speak with you for a few minutes.
0:58:02 > 0:58:07It's about a...young relation of yours, I believe.
0:58:07 > 0:58:09Your grand-daughter, possibly?
0:58:09 > 0:58:11Agnes?
0:58:11 > 0:58:14Agnes. Yes, that's right. Agnes.
0:58:14 > 0:58:16- You better come in.- Thank you.
0:58:17 > 0:58:20So Agnes's dad murdered her mother?
0:58:20 > 0:58:22Wow.
0:58:23 > 0:58:28Yes, I think it's starting to ring a bell, actually.
0:58:28 > 0:58:30Did nobody tell you this?
0:58:30 > 0:58:35Would you believe that? No. My first day on a new job, a stranger to the region, and they tell me nothing.
0:58:35 > 0:58:39In at the deep end. You don't mind if I take notes do you, Mrs Paige?
0:58:39 > 0:58:40I want to keep myself straight.
0:58:40 > 0:58:46- Surely to God they put it in the notes.- Yes, you'd think so, wouldn't you?
0:58:50 > 0:58:52No.
0:58:52 > 0:58:54HE TUTS
0:58:54 > 0:58:56Shocking.
0:58:56 > 0:59:01How am I expected to be Agnes's case worker if they don't give me all the facts?
0:59:01 > 0:59:06- Case worker?- Did I not say? I'm in charge of Agnes's welfare while she's in care.
0:59:08 > 0:59:10Agnes says you're lying, Darren.
0:59:10 > 0:59:14She also says you're daft and you're a drinker
0:59:14 > 0:59:17and you told her that you loved her mother, your own sister.
0:59:17 > 0:59:20Do you think you're a normal person, Darren?
0:59:20 > 0:59:22I didn't mean to get Agnes in trouble.
0:59:22 > 0:59:24Well, you have. She's in care
0:59:24 > 0:59:29and she'll have half of Fleet Street trying to find out her name and address by now. All because of you.
0:59:31 > 0:59:33Oh, look. Waterworks again.
0:59:35 > 0:59:37Are you a lass, really, Darren?
0:59:37 > 0:59:41Or a bit of a queer bloke? What did you say you did to Laura Gadd before you pushed her?
0:59:41 > 0:59:43I didn't do anything to anybody.
0:59:43 > 0:59:50So you're sticking to your story that it was Agnes who told you where the body was?
0:59:51 > 0:59:54What about Geraint Williams then?
0:59:54 > 0:59:59I found him with Agnes. She was just taking him for a walk, she said.
0:59:59 > 1:00:03And tell me, Mrs. Paige, what do the neighbours think of all this?
1:00:03 > 1:00:06A 13-year-old girl being questioned over the death of a toddler.
1:00:06 > 1:00:10- Are they being hostile?- What did you say your name was again?
1:00:10 > 1:00:12Mrs Paige, would you say that
1:00:12 > 1:00:16what happened to your daughter Domenica was...evil?
1:00:16 > 1:00:18Yes.
1:00:19 > 1:00:24And would you say that where evil exists, it can sometimes
1:00:24 > 1:00:26maybe be...passed on?
1:00:30 > 1:00:32I would.
1:00:32 > 1:00:35From a father to a child, perhaps?
1:00:36 > 1:00:38There's an evil seed.
1:00:41 > 1:00:43I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that.
1:00:46 > 1:00:50An evil seed. There's such a thing as an evil seed.
1:00:52 > 1:00:54(An evil seed.)
1:00:56 > 1:00:59Sorry I lost me temper with Agnes, OK?
1:00:59 > 1:01:03- You can't bring that stuff into work, John.- Yes, yes, I know.
1:01:03 > 1:01:04I've said I'm sorry.
1:01:04 > 1:01:06One of them is lying, sir.
1:01:08 > 1:01:11Agnes has a history of covering up for the men in her family, yes,
1:01:11 > 1:01:13but...I think it's Darren,
1:01:14 > 1:01:19I do. And I think that you should let me have half an hour on me own with him.
1:01:19 > 1:01:23Sir? Miss Simmons wants to take Agnes back to the children's home. Is that OK?
1:01:23 > 1:01:27No. Tell Sarah I want another hour with Agnes.
1:01:27 > 1:01:31- I need to question her about her mother's murder.- OK, sir.
1:01:32 > 1:01:36"Sarah," is it? Why not ask her out on a date while you're about it?
1:01:37 > 1:01:39Maybe because I'm not an idiot like you are.
1:01:41 > 1:01:45Why are we going back to the murder of the mother?
1:01:45 > 1:01:49I'll take the lead this time. You keep quiet.
1:01:49 > 1:01:52Did the canteen send you something nice for your tea, Agnes?
1:01:52 > 1:01:54- She didn't eat.- Why was that?
1:01:54 > 1:01:57- How could I eat with her looking at us?- Who?
1:01:57 > 1:02:00Her. Anybody.
1:02:00 > 1:02:02You don't like people watching you eat? Why's that?
1:02:02 > 1:02:05Because they're not supposed to see you.
1:02:05 > 1:02:09Why not? Why must nobody see you?
1:02:09 > 1:02:11Why is he staring at us all the time?
1:02:11 > 1:02:15You think I'm horrible, don't you, Mr Funny Name?
1:02:15 > 1:02:19You think I killed a little girl. Why does he not say summat?
1:02:19 > 1:02:22- Look, this is not helping.- I didn't kill anybody, I was just playing.
1:02:22 > 1:02:24When was this, Agnes?
1:02:24 > 1:02:26When are we talking about?
1:02:27 > 1:02:29Playing when? Playing what?
1:02:29 > 1:02:31Why do you have to ask me so many questions?
1:02:31 > 1:02:34Because I'm a police officer investigating a murder.
1:02:34 > 1:02:37- Go and get Taylor.- What?
1:02:37 > 1:02:38Just do it.
1:02:45 > 1:02:49Could you tell us exactly what you saw and did the night your mum died?
1:02:49 > 1:02:51- No.- Why not?
1:02:53 > 1:02:56- Cos I was never there. - Well, yes, you were there, Agnes,
1:02:56 > 1:02:58cos you've already told us that.
1:02:59 > 1:03:01I went to get Uncle Darren out the pub.
1:03:01 > 1:03:03We went to me nana's and I went straight to bed.
1:03:03 > 1:03:07No, you didn't. Your Uncle Darren didn't know you were there.
1:03:07 > 1:03:10That's what he says. He tells lies.
1:03:10 > 1:03:13Agnes, it is very important
1:03:13 > 1:03:17that you tell us what happened when your dad arrived and found you there.
1:03:17 > 1:03:22- Nothing.- I know he's told you not to say anything, but he's wrong.
1:03:24 > 1:03:27There was somebody else there, wasn't there? A man.
1:03:29 > 1:03:33- Was it somebody you knew? - You don't have to answer, Agnes.
1:03:33 > 1:03:38Why did you go back and cover your mum's eyes with a hankie?
1:03:41 > 1:03:44I think he's the evil monster what's got X-ray eyes.
1:03:45 > 1:03:47Are you off Doctor Who with them eyes?
1:03:47 > 1:03:49- You've had your hour.- Taylor.
1:03:49 > 1:03:53The newspaper accounts of Laura Gadd's death.
1:03:53 > 1:03:55Could Agnes have read an account of Laura
1:03:55 > 1:04:00and the other kids from the campsite paying Blind Man's Buff on the cliff?
1:04:00 > 1:04:02Yes. That was in the papers, sir.
1:04:02 > 1:04:04- See?- Why?
1:04:04 > 1:04:07- Why what, sir?- Why were those things in the papers?
1:04:07 > 1:04:12I thought you said the kids refused to say anything for fear of getting into trouble?
1:04:12 > 1:04:17- Yes, you're right.- So why do you say that Laura Gadd was playing Blind Man's Buff?
1:04:17 > 1:04:19It was obvious, cos of the blindfold, sir.
1:04:22 > 1:04:24Tell me that again?
1:04:24 > 1:04:27Why else would she have had a blindfold on?
1:04:29 > 1:04:33Laura Gadd was found dead wearing a blindfold?
1:04:33 > 1:04:35Yes, sir.
1:04:35 > 1:04:41- Why did you go back into your mum's room and cover her eyes?- Time's up.
1:04:47 > 1:04:49Thank you.
1:04:49 > 1:04:52This is probably against some Home Office rule somewhere,
1:04:52 > 1:04:54but thank you for meeting me.
1:04:54 > 1:04:57So what is it that you want to say to me?
1:04:57 > 1:04:58Look, Sarah.
1:05:00 > 1:05:03Something has happened to this girl.
1:05:03 > 1:05:06I thought at first it was the murder of her mother,
1:05:06 > 1:05:10but the death of Laura Gadd predates that by a year.
1:05:10 > 1:05:13But you can't prove any connection between Agnes and Laura Gadd.
1:05:13 > 1:05:17No proof yet, but compelling evidence.
1:05:19 > 1:05:22So what I wanted to say was this -
1:05:22 > 1:05:27if it does come to criminal charges, I will do anything in my power
1:05:27 > 1:05:30to help her through this ordeal.
1:05:30 > 1:05:32You're a decent man, George.
1:05:32 > 1:05:36If and when I do have to charge her, they'll be a lot of press interest
1:05:36 > 1:05:40so I'll try to put a ring of steel around her and her family.
1:05:41 > 1:05:47I will also urge the court not to name her unless she's found guilty.
1:05:47 > 1:05:49Sorry. You'll get it back in a second.
1:05:52 > 1:05:53Too late.
1:05:53 > 1:05:56"13-year-old Agnes Charlton."
1:06:00 > 1:06:02They've even identified the care home.
1:06:10 > 1:06:15- Inspector... Inspector... Has she been charged yet?- No comment!
1:06:15 > 1:06:18Has she been charged yet? Any information at all?
1:06:19 > 1:06:21Sir, where have you been? I've been...
1:06:23 > 1:06:24Have you seen this?
1:06:24 > 1:06:28I will ask you this just once and I will believe your answer. Was this you?
1:06:29 > 1:06:32- No.- Do you know who it was? - No, I don't.- Good.
1:06:35 > 1:06:41Agnes has been moved to a new place, and I've got uniformed men outside the house in High Blyth.
1:06:41 > 1:06:43What are we doing now, charging her or not?
1:06:43 > 1:06:46- Have you examined Agnes's school and medical records?- Yes.
1:06:46 > 1:06:48Did you find anything?
1:06:48 > 1:06:51A few broken bones, and she bunks off school sometimes.
1:06:51 > 1:06:52- Nothing else?- No.
1:06:52 > 1:06:55Is your heart in this? I don't think it is.
1:06:55 > 1:06:59- Have you talked to anybody?- Guv, I'm a copper, not a social worker!
1:06:59 > 1:07:02Do I look like a lass with a degree in making tea?
1:07:02 > 1:07:05This is not our job. What?
1:07:05 > 1:07:08Sir, Darren Paige would like to talk to you.
1:07:11 > 1:07:14I take back what I said about Agnes.
1:07:16 > 1:07:18You were right. I was pathetic.
1:07:20 > 1:07:22I did it.
1:07:22 > 1:07:26I took both those little lads away.
1:07:26 > 1:07:27Agnes had nothing to do with it.
1:07:30 > 1:07:33I killed that little lass and all.
1:07:34 > 1:07:36Tell me how you left Laura Gadd.
1:07:36 > 1:07:39- What?- Tell me how you left her.
1:07:39 > 1:07:41Did you do anything unusual?
1:07:41 > 1:07:43Did you leave anything on her?
1:07:46 > 1:07:47Erm...
1:07:58 > 1:08:01I'm sick of lies.
1:08:09 > 1:08:11Do you have any comments for us, sir?
1:08:11 > 1:08:13I've no comment for you.
1:08:13 > 1:08:16Chief Inspector, has the child been charged?
1:08:16 > 1:08:18What's the evil seed, Mrs Paige?
1:08:20 > 1:08:21Or who?
1:08:22 > 1:08:23I never said that.
1:08:23 > 1:08:26That liar from the paper made it all up.
1:08:27 > 1:08:32- Do you believe there is evil in human beings?- Some.
1:08:32 > 1:08:35Do you think Agnes is evil?
1:08:38 > 1:08:40HE SIGHS
1:08:40 > 1:08:45We are trying to help Agnes, Mrs Paige, I promise you that.
1:08:45 > 1:08:47But I need to know the truth.
1:08:47 > 1:08:50Help me to help her.
1:08:55 > 1:08:57HE SIGHS
1:09:02 > 1:09:05We either charge her, guv, or we let her go home.
1:09:05 > 1:09:09If she's innocent, if her behaviour is all about the family she came from
1:09:09 > 1:09:12charging her with murder would just be one more act of abuse.
1:09:12 > 1:09:14She'll never recover.
1:09:14 > 1:09:16This is a child, John.
1:09:16 > 1:09:20Yes. A child who has killed a little kid and abducted another one
1:09:20 > 1:09:24and was out choosing a third by the time we got hold of her.
1:09:24 > 1:09:27She needs to be taken out of society
1:09:27 > 1:09:30and society is relying on us to do that - me and you.
1:09:30 > 1:09:35Not Sarah Simmons. She gets paid to get people off whether they've done it or not.
1:09:35 > 1:09:39- We get paid to get it right. - And what is "getting it right" in a case like this?
1:09:44 > 1:09:45She'll do it again.
1:09:45 > 1:09:51If a dog savages your baby in a pram you don't say, "Oh, never mind, it's only a little puppy," do you?!
1:09:51 > 1:09:54No, you don't! You get it put down!
1:09:56 > 1:09:58I didn't mean that literally.
1:09:58 > 1:10:03Do you remember taking a little boy for a walk on the campsite last week?
1:10:03 > 1:10:06I wasn't on the campsite last week.
1:10:06 > 1:10:09Or any week. I've never been on the campsite.
1:10:09 > 1:10:13Why would I even go on the campsite when I haven't got a tent?
1:10:13 > 1:10:15You were on the campsite when we found you, Agnes.
1:10:15 > 1:10:17That was the first time ever!
1:10:17 > 1:10:22So it wasn't you who took a little boy called Geraint for a walk?
1:10:22 > 1:10:25Geray-ant? Is he the Jolly Giant?
1:10:25 > 1:10:28Everyone's got stupid, funny names these days.
1:10:28 > 1:10:33- Answer my question, please. - I was never on the campsite,
1:10:33 > 1:10:37so how could I take a Jolly Giant for a walk?
1:10:37 > 1:10:42Well, your Uncle Darren says you did and I believe him.
1:10:44 > 1:10:49I also believe that you took Robin Pershore later the same day.
1:10:51 > 1:10:52Did you?
1:11:06 > 1:11:08Why, Agnes?
1:11:08 > 1:11:11Tell us why.
1:11:12 > 1:11:14Help me to understand.
1:11:17 > 1:11:20I just wanted them kiddies to know what it's like, sir.
1:11:23 > 1:11:24What what's like, Agnes?
1:11:26 > 1:11:29What it's like when no-one can see you any more.
1:11:29 > 1:11:31When you don't exist, really.
1:11:47 > 1:11:49Will you stand up for me please, Agnes?
1:11:57 > 1:12:01Agnes Charlton, I am charging you with murder
1:12:01 > 1:12:05and with two counts of abduction.
1:12:05 > 1:12:07You do not have to say anything,
1:12:07 > 1:12:10but anything that you do say will be taken down
1:12:10 > 1:12:13and may be used in evidence against you.
1:12:14 > 1:12:16Do you understand?
1:12:19 > 1:12:21Does it mean I can go home now?
1:12:26 > 1:12:29All this is all going to be about now is punishment.
1:12:29 > 1:12:31That doesn't make sense.
1:12:31 > 1:12:33I'm a policeman.
1:12:33 > 1:12:35Before that, I was a soldier.
1:12:35 > 1:12:37All I've ever known is a world
1:12:37 > 1:12:41- where people are held responsible for their actions.- Even children?
1:12:41 > 1:12:42How can it be otherwise?
1:12:43 > 1:12:47And that little girl that she killed. And all the others that she would
1:12:47 > 1:12:51have killed - there has to be justice for them and their families.
1:12:51 > 1:12:54- Through retribution. - Through retribution, yeah.
1:12:54 > 1:12:56Society doesn't have any other way.
1:12:59 > 1:13:02- Well, that won't give them peace of mind, George.- What will?
1:13:02 > 1:13:04Understanding.
1:13:04 > 1:13:06An explanation.
1:13:06 > 1:13:10There already is an explanation if the papers are to be believed.
1:13:10 > 1:13:13Yeah. Some babies are just born evil.
1:13:13 > 1:13:15What would you have me do?
1:13:16 > 1:13:19You're a critic of the system you work in, George,
1:13:19 > 1:13:20but you belong to it in the end.
1:13:20 > 1:13:22So do I.
1:13:24 > 1:13:27Because now I have to walk her through some mindless process which
1:13:27 > 1:13:32has absolutely no interest at all in the truth about Agnes Charlton.
1:13:50 > 1:13:51She settle down?
1:13:51 > 1:13:53Eventually, sir.
1:14:25 > 1:14:27Look, guv, I'm sorry.
1:14:27 > 1:14:30I know we haven't seen eye to eye on this one, but...
1:14:31 > 1:14:35..I do think it was the right result.
1:14:35 > 1:14:37We did our job.
1:14:44 > 1:14:47Why don't you go home?
1:14:47 > 1:14:49Why? There's no-one there.
1:14:55 > 1:14:57All over between you and Lisa, John?
1:14:59 > 1:15:01Bar the shouting, yeah.
1:15:07 > 1:15:10I phoned earlier on
1:15:10 > 1:15:13to say goodnight to Leigh Ann and...
1:15:15 > 1:15:16..she was busy.
1:15:18 > 1:15:19Watching telly.
1:15:19 > 1:15:22I'm sorry.
1:15:24 > 1:15:27Could have been her, you know, guv.
1:15:27 > 1:15:30It could have been Leigh Ann next going for a walk with Agnes.
1:15:31 > 1:15:33I kept thinking about that.
1:15:36 > 1:15:39You broke your promise.
1:15:39 > 1:15:42You said Agnes would never be in a courtroom.
1:15:42 > 1:15:44She won't be going into a witness box,
1:15:44 > 1:15:47because I believe she'll plead guilty.
1:15:49 > 1:15:52And yet, we need to tell her story, don't we?
1:15:53 > 1:15:55She didn't kill anybody.
1:15:55 > 1:15:58Well, yes, she did, Alan.
1:15:58 > 1:16:01She blindfolded Laura Gadd and pushed her off a cliff.
1:16:04 > 1:16:06Why?
1:16:06 > 1:16:09What turned your daughter into a killer?
1:16:11 > 1:16:15A year before you murdered her mother?
1:16:15 > 1:16:18Let's start at the beginning, shall we?
1:16:18 > 1:16:20You're not Agnes's father, are you?
1:16:22 > 1:16:25She never admitted who the father was.
1:16:27 > 1:16:29I wanted to marry her anyway.
1:16:30 > 1:16:33I didn't care she was carrying another man's bairn.
1:16:34 > 1:16:36Who was her father?
1:16:36 > 1:16:39Do you know? Who was "Satan"?
1:16:42 > 1:16:44Was Domenica a prostitute, Alan?
1:16:45 > 1:16:48- No.- But she saw a lot of men.
1:16:48 > 1:16:51Didn't she? And that made you jealous, and so you killed her.
1:16:51 > 1:16:55At least that's what you told the jury.
1:16:55 > 1:16:59But why mustn't Agnes give evidence?
1:17:00 > 1:17:05- What good will this do? - In terms of her sentence, none.
1:17:05 > 1:17:09Agnes is going to spend a good many years in custodial care,
1:17:09 > 1:17:12but that doesn't mean it's the end of her life, Alan,
1:17:12 > 1:17:14because it depends on the help she can get.
1:17:14 > 1:17:18Nobody can help her if nobody knows.
1:17:18 > 1:17:24To help her to a future, I need to understand her past.
1:17:24 > 1:17:26I'd like to understand as well.
1:17:30 > 1:17:32I have a daughter.
1:17:32 > 1:17:35And she has a broken home.
1:17:37 > 1:17:41I've hurt her. And she's angry.
1:17:43 > 1:17:46I think Agnes is angry, don't you?
1:17:48 > 1:17:50When Agnes was born...
1:17:52 > 1:17:54..the first day of her life...
1:17:56 > 1:17:59..Domenica tried to suffocate her.
1:18:00 > 1:18:01A nurse saw.
1:18:01 > 1:18:03Post-natal depression, they said.
1:18:06 > 1:18:08But, Mr Gently...
1:18:09 > 1:18:11..Domenica kept trying.
1:18:15 > 1:18:18Eventually, I had her sectioned...
1:18:20 > 1:18:23..and I took Agnes to the coast to start a new life.
1:18:23 > 1:18:27But Agnes kept going back to her,
1:18:27 > 1:18:29even though you'd taken her away?
1:18:29 > 1:18:31They were drawn to each other.
1:18:33 > 1:18:36There is evil in this world, Inspector.
1:18:38 > 1:18:40Take my word for it.
1:18:40 > 1:18:41There is evil.
1:18:42 > 1:18:46And when he came back into Domenica's life...I had to stop it.
1:18:46 > 1:18:48Who?
1:18:48 > 1:18:51Agnes's father.
1:18:51 > 1:18:54Was he the man in the room that night? The Scotsman?
1:18:57 > 1:19:00When I saw...
1:19:01 > 1:19:03..what was happening in that room...
1:19:05 > 1:19:06..something snapped.
1:19:09 > 1:19:14I hit him twice with a poker, but Domenica threw herself at us.
1:19:14 > 1:19:16I just...
1:19:16 > 1:19:18hit her and hit her.
1:19:22 > 1:19:25He was gone.
1:19:25 > 1:19:27Agnes was gone as well.
1:19:27 > 1:19:29Who was it?
1:19:33 > 1:19:35He's their father.
1:19:38 > 1:19:39He's Domenica's father...
1:19:41 > 1:19:43..and he's Agnes's father.
1:19:57 > 1:20:01- Mrs Paige know about this? - Aye, she does.
1:20:01 > 1:20:02I don't know about Darren.
1:20:02 > 1:20:04What does Darren ever know?
1:20:06 > 1:20:08But they both knew what I didn't know.
1:20:11 > 1:20:13He'd come back to find Domenica.
1:20:15 > 1:20:18They knew that and they didn't tell us.
1:20:22 > 1:20:25He'd been in the area two years.
1:20:27 > 1:20:28But this time...
1:20:30 > 1:20:33..he was looking for Agnes as well.
1:20:33 > 1:20:35Agnes?
1:20:35 > 1:20:38He did to Agnes...
1:20:39 > 1:20:41..what he'd done to Domenica.
1:20:46 > 1:20:48When did this start? When did he come back?
1:20:48 > 1:20:50Easter last year.
1:20:50 > 1:20:53Just a few months before Laura Gadd was killed?
1:20:55 > 1:20:57Agnes tried to take Geraint Williams.
1:20:57 > 1:21:00You foiled her. Then she took Robin Pershore.
1:21:00 > 1:21:02You foiled her.
1:21:04 > 1:21:06Why did she start taking children again
1:21:06 > 1:21:11over a year after she'd killed Laura Gadd? Why?
1:21:11 > 1:21:13Had your father turned up again, Darren?
1:21:19 > 1:21:20It was that same morning.
1:21:22 > 1:21:26I came out into the garden, and there he was talking to Agnes.
1:21:26 > 1:21:31I sent her inside. I told him. I told him that it had got to stop,
1:21:31 > 1:21:34but he just give us a smack around the face
1:21:34 > 1:21:36and said he'd do what he liked.
1:21:36 > 1:21:40I told him I was going to the police. But I couldn't...
1:21:40 > 1:21:41you know?
1:21:42 > 1:21:43He's me dad.
1:21:43 > 1:21:47Where is he, Darren? Where's your father?
1:21:47 > 1:21:51- He cannae help hisself, you know. - Don't want to hear it, Darren.
1:21:51 > 1:21:52Where is he?
1:21:52 > 1:21:56He was at the Seamens' Hostel in Jarrow,
1:21:56 > 1:21:57but he'll be gone by now.
1:22:02 > 1:22:04Under the name of Smith, I presume?
1:22:05 > 1:22:08This Mr Smith, he comes and goes, does he?
1:22:08 > 1:22:10Aye, couple of nights here, couple of nights there.
1:22:10 > 1:22:12How long this time, exactly?
1:22:12 > 1:22:15He said he just wanted a room for the one night.
1:22:15 > 1:22:16That was five nights ago.
1:22:16 > 1:22:20Five...! And he's still here? You're sure?
1:22:20 > 1:22:22Why, he's not collected his deposit.
1:22:24 > 1:22:26Away, man. Look, out!
1:22:33 > 1:22:36Uh... Yeah, he's in there.
1:22:38 > 1:22:40I'm going to get you shut down.
1:22:43 > 1:22:45BACCHUS COUGHS
1:23:11 > 1:23:14Oh, look at that.
1:23:16 > 1:23:19Ronnie and Domenica, May 1946.
1:23:22 > 1:23:24Before he became Satan.
1:23:24 > 1:23:26They look happy.
1:23:28 > 1:23:31That room's going to need to be paid to be de-fumigated.
1:23:32 > 1:23:36And I know who'll get the blame for that - muggins.
1:23:53 > 1:23:54Come on, pet.
1:24:01 > 1:24:03You look very smart today.
1:24:03 > 1:24:05Aye. It's a big day.
1:24:07 > 1:24:11Your dad splashed out on a new motor? Bit young for him, isn't it?
1:24:11 > 1:24:14- It's not his.- What, your mam learned to drive at her age?
1:24:14 > 1:24:15No.
1:24:21 > 1:24:23- Oh.- A friend.
1:24:24 > 1:24:26Say goodbye to Daddy, Leigh Ann.
1:24:26 > 1:24:28Goodbye, Daddy.
1:24:46 > 1:24:49Her QC and I spent two hours yesterday in chambers
1:24:49 > 1:24:51with the judge just talking through it all.
1:24:51 > 1:24:55- And?- He said it's not evidence.
1:24:55 > 1:24:57He's a nice old cove.
1:24:57 > 1:24:59Takes his wig off when he's talking to her.
1:24:59 > 1:25:02Tries not to talk in Latin too much...
1:25:03 > 1:25:06There've been a lot of nice people on this case.
1:25:08 > 1:25:10But none of them have made a difference to this...
1:25:10 > 1:25:13ugly, ugly outcome.
1:25:13 > 1:25:16This is the day that makes our jobs look
1:25:16 > 1:25:18pointless and stupid.
1:25:26 > 1:25:30Many things have been written in the press and elsewhere about
1:25:30 > 1:25:33the particular character of this dreadful case.
1:25:33 > 1:25:37There has been much speculation as to how a child
1:25:37 > 1:25:43of such tender years could have committed such appalling crimes.
1:25:43 > 1:25:46Cold-blooded murder of an innocent child
1:25:46 > 1:25:50has left many grasping for explanations.
1:25:50 > 1:25:52In the end, however,
1:25:52 > 1:25:59society and this court must content themselves with the knowledge
1:25:59 > 1:26:01that the accused has had a fair hearing
1:26:01 > 1:26:06and that the victims of her abominable crimes
1:26:06 > 1:26:07will receive justice.
1:26:08 > 1:26:14Accordingly, I have this to say to the court and to you, Agnes.
1:26:14 > 1:26:16Will you stand, please?
1:26:19 > 1:26:23You are to be detained at Her Majesty's pleasure
1:26:23 > 1:26:26at a secure unit until you are of age...
1:26:27 > 1:26:33..at which point you are to be given into the care of the prison service.
1:26:34 > 1:26:38It will be for others to decide when it may be safe
1:26:38 > 1:26:42to release you into the community once more.
1:26:42 > 1:26:48But in any event, you will serve at least 20 years.
1:26:48 > 1:26:51MURMURING
1:27:00 > 1:27:02I know you cannot see me.
1:27:04 > 1:27:06I'm here.
1:27:06 > 1:27:09But none of you can see me.
1:27:10 > 1:27:11Take her away, please.
1:27:21 > 1:27:23Ready?
1:27:23 > 1:27:25Yeah.
1:27:34 > 1:27:37I'm going to write you letters
1:27:37 > 1:27:40and send you drawings of whatever I see. OK?
1:27:40 > 1:27:42Yeah. I would like that, Agnes.
1:27:42 > 1:27:43Thank you.
1:27:44 > 1:27:47There IS a life to come for you.
1:27:49 > 1:27:50Try and remember that.
1:27:52 > 1:27:53That's a funny thing to say.
1:27:53 > 1:27:56Maybe.
1:27:57 > 1:27:59Just try and remember it.
1:28:01 > 1:28:02KNOCK AT DOOR
1:28:05 > 1:28:07It's OK. Go on.
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