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0:00:57 > 0:01:00When we fished Rafe Carey out of the river, he was as clean as a whistle.
0:01:00 > 0:01:04He'd been washed clean by the river running over him for five hours.
0:01:12 > 0:01:14That shirt of his was as clean as the moment
0:01:14 > 0:01:16he put it on that morning. Cleaner, probably.
0:01:16 > 0:01:18Durridge's, too. Beautifully laundered.
0:01:18 > 0:01:20The reason I thought of it,
0:01:20 > 0:01:22everything I was wearing was laundered.
0:01:22 > 0:01:25Suit dry-cleaned, shirt pristine, new boots.
0:01:29 > 0:01:30Only, I was alive and he was dead.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37The Tweed took him and swept him away and smashed him up
0:01:37 > 0:01:39and washed him clean.
0:01:39 > 0:01:41But he didn't die from being smacked on the rocks
0:01:41 > 0:01:43and he didn't die from drowning.
0:01:43 > 0:01:46He died from a deep stab wound
0:01:46 > 0:01:48just beside his armpit, near his heart.
0:01:52 > 0:01:53Near enough bled out.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57Murder - my first day back.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08How can Ruth be dead and I'm not? How can that be?
0:02:17 > 0:02:20In a way, it would've been better. If one of them had to go,
0:02:20 > 0:02:22it would've been better...
0:02:22 > 0:02:25Might've been better if it was Leo.
0:02:25 > 0:02:27I can't believe I said that.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29She had to persuade him, Rafe.
0:02:29 > 0:02:32She thought I couldn't hear him on the phone to him, but I could.
0:02:37 > 0:02:39They love to talk, the middle classes.
0:02:39 > 0:02:41The chattering classes.
0:02:41 > 0:02:44They think if they talk long enough, the facts will bend round and fit.
0:02:48 > 0:02:55That's their experience of life - persuasion, nuance, finesse.
0:02:55 > 0:02:57I've got colleagues who try and hector
0:02:57 > 0:02:59the middle classes in interrogation.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02'Prod them and poke them and keep to the point. Wrong.'
0:03:02 > 0:03:04Sit back and listen.
0:03:04 > 0:03:08Drink that stuff in. I love to listen to that.
0:03:08 > 0:03:11Listen to them trying to recast a catastrophe word by word.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14Because, as I said before, I go fishing with him.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17He's been trying and trying to get me to go fishing with him
0:03:17 > 0:03:20and then, each time, on the day, I've pulled out,
0:03:20 > 0:03:22after he's paid out for fishing permits
0:03:22 > 0:03:24and taken the day off work and whatever.
0:03:24 > 0:03:26Wasn't up to it.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30Now, finally, I say yes, and Katrina can see I mean it and she couldn't
0:03:30 > 0:03:33be happier and she's phoned and said,
0:03:33 > 0:03:35"This time he really means it."
0:03:35 > 0:03:38And then, it rains all night and blows a gale
0:03:38 > 0:03:40and any normal human being would cancel,
0:03:40 > 0:03:42but she's calling him first thing and asking him not to.
0:03:42 > 0:03:43THUNDER RUMBLES
0:03:45 > 0:03:48"I know it's not the weather for it, but, please, Rafe.
0:03:49 > 0:03:50"For me.
0:03:53 > 0:03:54"For me."
0:03:55 > 0:03:58"Please, God." I was thinking, "Please, God, let it go well.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02"Let this be the start. Please."
0:04:02 > 0:04:04Because he can't grieve.
0:04:04 > 0:04:07While he's blaming Rafe, he can't grieve.
0:04:08 > 0:04:11And if he can't grieve, then I can't grieve.
0:04:13 > 0:04:15Sonia's all alone.
0:04:17 > 0:04:19And we're all alone.
0:04:31 > 0:04:35She ran me there in the car on the way to work.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37No time to stop, no time to stop.
0:04:37 > 0:04:38She was desperate to get me there.
0:04:40 > 0:04:41Get it done.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50He asked me to stop halfway there, stop at the cash machine.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52I said, "There's no time for that."
0:04:52 > 0:04:54I thought, "He's just going to walk away.
0:04:54 > 0:04:58"It's going to be the same thing all over again."
0:04:58 > 0:05:00But he came back to the car.
0:05:00 > 0:05:03The whole time, I thought, "He's just going to walk away."
0:05:03 > 0:05:05But he didn't. He didn't.
0:05:06 > 0:05:08I knew then he was really going through with it
0:05:08 > 0:05:11Which cashpoint? Where?
0:05:11 > 0:05:14I could feel the police parts of my brain getting back in gear.
0:05:14 > 0:05:16Did they stop at the cashpoint or didn't they?
0:05:16 > 0:05:19The cogs starting to grind. She said, "The Bank of Scotland one.
0:05:19 > 0:05:21"The one round the corner from the other two."
0:05:21 > 0:05:23She says there's never a queue,
0:05:23 > 0:05:24that people don't know it's there.
0:05:24 > 0:05:27I said, "I'll take the car and drop you at work,"
0:05:27 > 0:05:30but she didn't want that. She wanted to make sure I really went,
0:05:30 > 0:05:33but also, that we'd go in the same car, me and Rafe.
0:05:33 > 0:05:36And we'd be sitting together and we would talk
0:05:36 > 0:05:37while we drove to the river.
0:05:39 > 0:05:40There'd be banter.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44I told her once, talking in cars was easy.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46She remembered that.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49You don't have the eye contact thing and there's stuff going on,
0:05:49 > 0:05:51other stuff.
0:05:51 > 0:05:53Probably she said that to Rafe
0:05:53 > 0:05:56and that's where he's come up with the fishing idea in the first place.
0:05:56 > 0:06:00Same as in the car, sit side by side, not across from someone,
0:06:00 > 0:06:01and there's things...
0:06:01 > 0:06:04going on, things in the river or flask of coffee.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07Sandwiches, business with tackle, business with the bait.
0:06:08 > 0:06:12Before you know it, time's passing, conversation's flowing.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18I said, "I told her it was too wild, Rafe, but she won't listen."
0:06:18 > 0:06:20I said, "We're never going to catch any fish in this."
0:06:20 > 0:06:22He said, "Since when is going fishing
0:06:22 > 0:06:23"had anything to do with fish?"
0:06:23 > 0:06:25He put his hand on my shoulder.
0:06:25 > 0:06:27He said, "I'm right, aren't I, Leo?"
0:06:29 > 0:06:31He was a big toucher, Rafe.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34Big hand-on-the-shoulder guy. He touched me. She saw it.
0:06:37 > 0:06:38I kept our energy up.
0:06:38 > 0:06:42"Try again. We'll have another. We're still young."
0:06:42 > 0:06:45And all the time, Rafe was desperate to make amends.
0:06:45 > 0:06:48To see us again, to see him.
0:06:48 > 0:06:52So I'd say, "You really mustn't blame Rafe. You really mustn't.
0:06:52 > 0:06:54"He feels nearly as bad as we do."
0:06:55 > 0:06:59And he'd say, "Rafe is your brother. You're bound to say that.
0:06:59 > 0:07:02"But he doesn't, he goes home every day to that big house of theirs,
0:07:02 > 0:07:06"with three kids of his own, two of Emma's and, maybe,
0:07:06 > 0:07:11"now and then, they think about us and what they did. Now and then."
0:07:11 > 0:07:16And I'd say, "What they DID, Leo? But what did they do?
0:07:16 > 0:07:18"Tell me what they did.
0:07:21 > 0:07:24"They looked after our daughter when we were away.
0:07:25 > 0:07:28"They looked after her, but she was ill and she died.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32"Nobody could've stopped that.
0:07:32 > 0:07:33"Nobody.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37"They did their best, they wanted to help.
0:07:37 > 0:07:40"They acted with love and in good faith
0:07:40 > 0:07:42"and a terrible thing still happened.
0:07:44 > 0:07:48"And as long as you keep acting like this was somehow Rafe's fault,
0:07:48 > 0:07:49"then we can't deal with it.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53"We can't deal with it. You and me."
0:08:22 > 0:08:26"Here are the rods, the chairs, the keep nets, the boots.
0:08:26 > 0:08:29"Just add water," he said. "We've plenty of that".
0:08:32 > 0:08:34He was kind, Rafe.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38He was always kind to me.
0:08:38 > 0:08:41"He was gung-ho. He was cavalier with our daughter's life.
0:08:41 > 0:08:44"He never feels a moment's doubt, yet he's always wrong.
0:08:44 > 0:08:46"He's got five strapping lads and he doesn't know.
0:08:46 > 0:08:49"He doesn't know what it's like to have one little girl
0:08:49 > 0:08:50"and then, to have nothing.
0:08:53 > 0:08:55"Nothing."
0:08:55 > 0:08:57That's what he said.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59"Nothing."
0:09:02 > 0:09:04CHILD LAUGHS
0:09:10 > 0:09:14I'd drop it. I'd go back to keeping him alive.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16Three years nearly, keeping him alive
0:09:16 > 0:09:17when he'd rather have been dead.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19Put my own grief on hold for that.
0:09:21 > 0:09:23My grief for Sonia.
0:09:23 > 0:09:24Still on hold.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34Then, last night, it was...it was like
0:09:34 > 0:09:37not a door had opened, but maybe, a window -
0:09:37 > 0:09:43a tiny window - and let in some light, some tiny glimmer of light.
0:09:43 > 0:09:46And he was just that tiny bit more like himself
0:09:46 > 0:09:48and I thought, "This is a man who can forgive."
0:09:54 > 0:09:55After I dropped him off,
0:09:55 > 0:09:58I had to stop the car halfway to work and just cry.
0:09:58 > 0:09:59It felt like the beginning.
0:10:12 > 0:10:14MAN: Detective Sergeant Corinne Evans
0:10:14 > 0:10:17is an officer with an exemplary track record.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22Her training and probation were characterised
0:10:22 > 0:10:25by high marks and extremely positive feedback.
0:10:26 > 0:10:28Her career progress since that time
0:10:28 > 0:10:31has been swift and assured.
0:10:31 > 0:10:35She has been in her current post for two years, during which time
0:10:35 > 0:10:38she has been commended for her initiative and her detective work
0:10:38 > 0:10:44and received the prestigious Borders Area Police Bravery Award.
0:10:45 > 0:10:50Three months ago, her friend Laura McDade was killed
0:10:50 > 0:10:51in a hit and run on the A703.
0:10:53 > 0:10:57Detective Sergeant Evans requested permission to investigate
0:10:57 > 0:10:59the incident, but was refused.
0:11:00 > 0:11:02A charge of insubordination
0:11:02 > 0:11:06and another of criminal damage were brought and subsequently dropped,
0:11:06 > 0:11:11on compassionate grounds, and Corinne Evans was referred to me
0:11:11 > 0:11:12for bereavement counselling.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16I recommended a course
0:11:16 > 0:11:21of ten therapeutic sessions, all of which DS Evans attended punctually.
0:11:21 > 0:11:26"Frankie! Frankie! Frankie!" Shouts from the river bank.
0:11:26 > 0:11:30I could hear the panic in the voice, the concern.
0:11:30 > 0:11:33We left the rods and walked upstream a bit, to where the rapids are.
0:11:33 > 0:11:36He thought I should take a video of the kingfisher on my phone,
0:11:36 > 0:11:38thought Katrina would like it.
0:11:38 > 0:11:40I could hear three people.
0:11:41 > 0:11:45Hear them over the rushing of the river, the roaring of the wind.
0:11:47 > 0:11:49Someone the shouter cared about.
0:11:50 > 0:11:51Then, the splash.
0:11:53 > 0:11:55The sort of shouts you should tell someone about,
0:11:55 > 0:11:56if you talk to people.
0:11:57 > 0:12:00Up. There.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06He said the rapids oxygenate the water.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09He said you can get a lot of fish there if you know what you're doing.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12He did not know what he was doing.
0:12:12 > 0:12:14The water was high, high and fast.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16It was tearing away the banks.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19"It's stupid standing here, Rafe. It's stupid."
0:12:19 > 0:12:20I said that.
0:12:37 > 0:12:38It had us in the blink of an eye.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41It was like being dragged by a powerboat by your ankle.
0:12:44 > 0:12:47I knew right away the river had taken him.
0:12:49 > 0:12:51The river had us...
0:12:52 > 0:12:54'..both of us.'
0:12:54 > 0:12:56I like to cover all the bases, because now and then,
0:12:56 > 0:13:00I get told I'm over-zealous. So, I said to the pathologist,
0:13:00 > 0:13:03I said, "He was tossed around in the water for hours.
0:13:03 > 0:13:06"Could it have been, I don't know, a branch off a tree or a sharp stone?
0:13:06 > 0:13:08"Was it definitely a bladed weapon?"
0:13:08 > 0:13:11He said, "Let me see... It was definitely a bladed weapon.
0:13:11 > 0:13:15"But I suppose it could've been wielded by a big pike or a salmon."
0:13:15 > 0:13:18One of those who doesn't smile when he's joking.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20Dry type, likes to tug at your blue collar.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23I said, "Could it have been something on the river bed?
0:13:23 > 0:13:24"A rusty bed frame or whatever?"
0:13:24 > 0:13:27He said, "What, you're not following up my salmon lead, Sergeant Evans?"
0:13:29 > 0:13:32Making me work for it. Selling himself long.
0:13:33 > 0:13:36I get this a lot - you're a copper, so you must be a halfwit.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39What I could've said? "I've got a degree, too, you know."
0:13:40 > 0:13:43Wasn't in the mood for it. Something about the time off.
0:13:44 > 0:13:48I just moved up six inches closer, put a bit of shadow on him.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50Clears his throat,
0:13:50 > 0:13:53says the injury was sustained before he went in the river.
0:13:53 > 0:13:55There was barely any water in the lungs.
0:13:56 > 0:14:00He sat down on his threadbare little work station chair,
0:14:00 > 0:14:01not playing any more.
0:14:03 > 0:14:07I stood there for a bit, scrutinising his bald spot.
0:14:07 > 0:14:12He opened his e-mails. Discussion over. I didn't budge.
0:14:13 > 0:14:15Decides he has urgent business elsewhere.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20Said, "The salmon, then?" He said, "What?"
0:14:21 > 0:14:23I said, "The salmon, not the pike.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27"The salmon has the bigger leap."
0:14:30 > 0:14:32But what about this stab wound, Leo?
0:14:32 > 0:14:33Can we get back to that?
0:14:33 > 0:14:37Your wife's brother's got a hole in him where no hole should be.
0:14:39 > 0:14:40The bank gave way.
0:14:40 > 0:14:42You say there was no-one else there with
0:14:42 > 0:14:44the two of you on the river bank.
0:14:44 > 0:14:46So you can tell which way my mind's going on this.
0:14:46 > 0:14:49If there was no-one else there, there's only you could've done it.
0:14:49 > 0:14:51He shut up, then.
0:14:51 > 0:14:54Looked like a man put on the spot to recall his wedding anniversary.
0:14:54 > 0:14:56His mouth half open
0:14:56 > 0:14:57ready for words, but none came.
0:14:58 > 0:15:00And what about this stop at the cash machine?
0:15:00 > 0:15:01You didn't mention that.
0:15:01 > 0:15:04Your wife told me that you asked her to stop at the cash machine
0:15:04 > 0:15:05this morning.
0:15:05 > 0:15:09I just didn't want Rafe Carey paying for everything, like he always does.
0:15:09 > 0:15:10But we checked, Leo.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13You didn't take any money out of the cash machine.
0:15:13 > 0:15:16You HAD money, but you didn't withdraw it.
0:15:16 > 0:15:19Why go to a cash machine, but not get money?
0:15:19 > 0:15:21Do you want to start telling us the truth, Leo,
0:15:21 > 0:15:24instead of all these lies? You'll feel better for it.
0:15:24 > 0:15:26The pathologist tells me Rafe Carey had heads injuries
0:15:26 > 0:15:29inconsistent with those he got in the river.
0:15:29 > 0:15:31Maybe you provided those. Did you, Leo?
0:15:33 > 0:15:35We found a £20 note by the river bank.
0:15:35 > 0:15:37Did you fight over money?
0:15:39 > 0:15:41Did Rafe Carey try to pay for everything again?
0:15:41 > 0:15:44Did it make you feel small?
0:15:44 > 0:15:47You lost your job, didn't you, when your daughter died?
0:15:47 > 0:15:49You were unemployed for over a year.
0:15:51 > 0:15:54Did you murder Rafe Carey, Leo?
0:15:54 > 0:15:57Did you argue with him by the river and kill him?
0:16:02 > 0:16:05I have seen him blank things out before.
0:16:05 > 0:16:07He blanked Sonia out when she died.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10Never talked to Rafe about what had happened,
0:16:10 > 0:16:13never uttered Sonia's name, from that day to this.
0:16:14 > 0:16:18I used to say to him, I'd beg him. "Say it, Leo."
0:16:19 > 0:16:22"Say Sonia. Say Sonia."
0:16:25 > 0:16:27But he wouldn't. He hasn't.
0:16:28 > 0:16:29He can't.
0:16:33 > 0:16:35And that was what he was doing.
0:16:35 > 0:16:40He was blanking it out, shredding it in that head of his.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42I said, "Tell me again.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45"You were stood on the bank and the bank was swept away."
0:16:51 > 0:16:54It was me that made them go and neither of them wanted to.
0:16:59 > 0:17:00Say Sonia.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05Say Sonia.
0:17:08 > 0:17:10Say Sonia.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01He might be a lot of things, but he is not a murderer, Frankie.
0:18:01 > 0:18:04On the path leading down to the swim, there's three sets of prints,
0:18:04 > 0:18:07very clear. Two sets of matching rubber boots and a pair of trainers.
0:18:07 > 0:18:08Three.
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- RECORDED VOICE: - Frankie! Frankie! Frankie!
0:18:11 > 0:18:14Trainer prints match ones found in blood at the scene of an ABH
0:18:14 > 0:18:15in Carlisle.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18Frankie Alder was arrested for the ABH, but not charged.
0:18:18 > 0:18:20The trainers were his, though.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22Frankie's not to be found at his last known abode,
0:18:22 > 0:18:24so we contact his social worker.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28His social worker is Leo Durridge's wife, Katrina.
0:18:28 > 0:18:29It's almost disappointing.
0:18:29 > 0:18:33Why would Frankie Alder be there at the river on a day like that?
0:18:34 > 0:18:37She said, "You've been his caseworker for nearly three years.
0:18:37 > 0:18:39"Would you say that was typical of him?
0:18:39 > 0:18:41"Walked by the river?"
0:18:41 > 0:18:43I wouldn't have thought that was his thing,
0:18:43 > 0:18:46but it is hard to say what is typical of somebody.
0:18:46 > 0:18:48People surprise you.
0:18:48 > 0:18:50You've got to hang on to that in my line of work,
0:18:50 > 0:18:51their capacity to do that.
0:18:51 > 0:18:55I fell in the water. The clothes are trappings.
0:18:55 > 0:18:56That came to me out there.
0:18:58 > 0:19:01"Clothes maketh the man." Not me, they don't.
0:19:01 > 0:19:02Not now.
0:19:05 > 0:19:07The words are trappings, that came true.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10Everything you've ever said, a mark against you.
0:19:10 > 0:19:13And there's a tally they're keeping somewhere,
0:19:13 > 0:19:15somewhere I'm not popular.
0:19:15 > 0:19:17If there's nothing to say, say nothing.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23Think about what you say and what you do say, mean it.
0:19:24 > 0:19:27Copper says, "What were you doing out there, Frankie?
0:19:27 > 0:19:30"Where you go, trouble follows."
0:19:30 > 0:19:32Not this time.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35Not next time, either. Not ever again.
0:19:36 > 0:19:38"A new leaf, is it, Frankie?"
0:19:38 > 0:19:41She's looking into me, trying to.
0:19:41 > 0:19:42She's judging.
0:19:44 > 0:19:46Don't presume to know me, copper.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48You don't know me, just like I don't know you.
0:19:48 > 0:19:50You weren't in that river.
0:19:50 > 0:19:53You don't know me, deep down.
0:19:53 > 0:19:54She says...
0:19:54 > 0:19:57"Sure, you know me, Frankie. Deep as you like."
0:19:57 > 0:20:00- BOTH:- I'm the one that's going to send you to jail.
0:20:07 > 0:20:10"What can you tell me about some death threats left on
0:20:10 > 0:20:12"Rafe Carey's answer machine last year?"
0:20:12 > 0:20:15- ANSWER PHONE:- ..at a time when you least expect it.
0:20:15 > 0:20:17Deceased wife kept the messages.
0:20:17 > 0:20:19Sounds a lot like Frankie Alder to me.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22She says Katrina Durridge asked her not to call the police,
0:20:22 > 0:20:24told her that she'd sort it out personally.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27I thought he was doing it for me.
0:20:27 > 0:20:29I spoke to him and it stopped.
0:20:31 > 0:20:34I thought he was doing it for me. I never thought that...
0:20:36 > 0:20:37They have met.
0:20:38 > 0:20:41Whether either of them would remember, I don't know.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44To give him his due, he doesn't deny being there.
0:20:44 > 0:20:46I've been in the river and I'm out.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49- I'm out.- Maybe he likes a walk
0:20:49 > 0:20:52on a wet and stormy day. Maybe it frees his head.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56I said, "Were you unaware that one of the two men
0:20:56 > 0:20:59"you must've seen there was your social worker's husband?"
0:20:59 > 0:21:02"Oh, I presumed she was a lesbian," he says.
0:21:03 > 0:21:07I was with Leo in town and Frankie walked past.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10He was smoking a cigarette, so he held it up to my face,
0:21:10 > 0:21:12so I could see that it wasn't marijuana.
0:21:12 > 0:21:15He was a wee bit aggressive.
0:21:15 > 0:21:19So Leo said something like, "There's a time and a place."
0:21:20 > 0:21:22That was quite bold for Leo.
0:21:25 > 0:21:28I was expecting a bit of comeback from Frankie,
0:21:28 > 0:21:29but he just walked away.
0:21:29 > 0:21:34Detective wanted to know if I'd mentioned Frankie's name to Leo.
0:21:34 > 0:21:36She asked me that more than once.
0:21:37 > 0:21:40Or if Leo had asked his name? I couldn't remember.
0:21:40 > 0:21:42If he'd asked it, I would've told him.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45It's not like it's client confidentiality.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48People know Frankie, anyway. It's a small town and...
0:21:50 > 0:21:52..he's highly visible.
0:21:52 > 0:21:54I felt sorry for him. He was a beggar.
0:21:54 > 0:21:58I don't think he was a beggar, but he would beg, if he was desperate.
0:21:58 > 0:22:01He'd sit beside the cash machine and ask if you had any spare change.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03He said, "You're a lucky man."
0:22:04 > 0:22:07Maybe six months back, I'd been going to walk past.
0:22:07 > 0:22:10He said, "Married to her."
0:22:10 > 0:22:12I recognised him, then.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15"Keeps you on the straight and narrow," he said.
0:22:15 > 0:22:18"And a pretty face, as well. Sorry about your kid."
0:22:23 > 0:22:26I gave him all the money I'd taken out of the machine.
0:22:26 > 0:22:29She kept leaving me longer than I needed for my answers,
0:22:29 > 0:22:32trying to get me to say more.
0:22:32 > 0:22:34I use the same technique with my clients.
0:22:37 > 0:22:39She was asking me, without asking me...
0:22:41 > 0:22:45..whether I thought Leo might've approached Frankie...to hurt Rafe.
0:22:49 > 0:22:52Maybe she was also asking whether I might've done that.
0:22:52 > 0:22:55MUSIC PLAYS
0:23:04 > 0:23:07I want my lawyer. I fell in the water.
0:23:08 > 0:23:13It was a while before that word got into my head - trappings.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16It was there waiting, I just didn't know what it was.
0:23:16 > 0:23:17It knew me, though.
0:23:17 > 0:23:20I couldn't have told you what it was before that.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22I couldn't have written it down.
0:23:22 > 0:23:26It needed me naked and nowhere and nothing to eat.
0:23:26 > 0:23:29It needed me chewed up and spat out by the river.
0:23:29 > 0:23:31It needed me not to be me.
0:23:31 > 0:23:33Then, there it was.
0:23:33 > 0:23:35Like if you're sat somewhere really quiet
0:23:35 > 0:23:38and you're maybe gouging out and a mouse comes out from the skirting.
0:23:38 > 0:23:41And the both of you are still as statues.
0:23:42 > 0:23:46Trappings. Stuff that you live your life with.
0:23:46 > 0:23:50The stuff that defines you. Your stuff, your possessions.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52Maybe your normal routine.
0:23:52 > 0:23:56The things you do, the things people do to you.
0:23:56 > 0:24:00The fucking every day is the fucking same grindstone of shit
0:24:00 > 0:24:01that makes up your life.
0:24:01 > 0:24:03Trappings.
0:24:03 > 0:24:07Probably if I knew words or had Miss McNaughton here, my old English
0:24:07 > 0:24:11teacher, which I wouldn't, because she's a fucking bitch and a liar,
0:24:11 > 0:24:12she'd say, "That sort of trappings,
0:24:12 > 0:24:15"that has nothing to do with trapping, Frankie,
0:24:15 > 0:24:16"with being trapped."
0:24:16 > 0:24:18It goes back to William the fucking Conqueror
0:24:18 > 0:24:22and what it means is that she'd be wrong.
0:24:22 > 0:24:26I've thrown it off, the trappings.
0:24:26 > 0:24:28I'm free in here, in this little box.
0:24:28 > 0:24:32They might think they've got me locked up, but they haven't.
0:24:32 > 0:24:35I'm like some yogi guru guy in an ashram in India,
0:24:35 > 0:24:37who lives inside his head and only speaks once a year
0:24:37 > 0:24:40and says something short and sweet that no-one gets
0:24:40 > 0:24:42or people just pretend to.
0:24:42 > 0:24:44"The heather is springy today."
0:24:44 > 0:24:46And all his followers are analysing that for a year,
0:24:46 > 0:24:48until he says something new, like,
0:24:48 > 0:24:54"Forget what I said last year. That was bollocks. Forget it."
0:24:54 > 0:24:57There's a kitchen knife set in that hostel where he lives
0:24:57 > 0:24:59and, wouldn't you know it, the six-inch knife's missing.
0:24:59 > 0:25:01Mind you, the place is a shithole.
0:25:01 > 0:25:03Four out the six knives are gone, so...
0:25:03 > 0:25:06It's gone... It's all gone.
0:25:08 > 0:25:11Whatever it is I was, I'm not any more.
0:25:11 > 0:25:14I've thrown it off. It's gone.
0:25:14 > 0:25:16The river took it.
0:25:16 > 0:25:18The river saved me.
0:25:30 > 0:25:34The man won't speak. He won't speak and he won't wear shoes.
0:25:34 > 0:25:37He'll hear the question. His expression might change,
0:25:37 > 0:25:38but nothing will he say.
0:25:38 > 0:25:41We've got the £20 note bearing the fingerprints of the deceased
0:25:41 > 0:25:44and the footwear impressions on the path. That's it.
0:25:44 > 0:25:48No murder weapon, no forensics. The river took the lot. I tried concern.
0:25:48 > 0:25:53"People like you aren't supposed to do things like this and we worry
0:25:53 > 0:25:56"about your state of mind, about what you might do to yourself."
0:25:56 > 0:25:57Nothing. I tried small talk.
0:25:57 > 0:26:00"The two of you are brothers-in-law. Did you get along?
0:26:00 > 0:26:04"Did it annoy you that your wife stuck by him, that she
0:26:04 > 0:26:05"didn't feel the same way as you?
0:26:05 > 0:26:08"You'd have liked him out of your life, but she wouldn't
0:26:08 > 0:26:11"do that, would she? What did that feel like, Leo?
0:26:12 > 0:26:14"Like a betrayal?"
0:26:30 > 0:26:32"How many times have you met Frankie Alder?
0:26:34 > 0:26:37"Your wife tells me she introduced the pair of you.
0:26:37 > 0:26:41"Did he come looking for you or did you go looking for him?"
0:26:41 > 0:26:44"One of your work colleagues tells me she saw you eating lunch
0:26:44 > 0:26:47"with Frankie on a bench in Victoria Park.
0:26:47 > 0:26:48"Saw that more than once.
0:26:49 > 0:26:53"And your phone records show calls to an unregistered phone
0:26:53 > 0:26:56"normally present in the vicinity of where Frankie Alder stays.
0:26:58 > 0:27:01"The calls form a pattern.
0:27:01 > 0:27:04"They've been preceded by cash withdrawals of £250
0:27:04 > 0:27:06"from your current account.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09"You usually withdraw no more than 100.
0:27:09 > 0:27:11"There are three of these withdrawals, Leo,
0:27:11 > 0:27:12"in the last six months,
0:27:12 > 0:27:15all before or after calls to that number.
0:27:18 > 0:27:21"Were you paying Frankie Alder, Leo?
0:27:21 > 0:27:25"What for? To frighten Rafe Carey?
0:27:25 > 0:27:28"To threaten him? Vandalise his property?
0:27:30 > 0:27:31"What else?
0:27:33 > 0:27:38"I said, did you pay Frankie Alder to murder Rafe Carey?
0:27:38 > 0:27:40"Because that's still murder, Leo.
0:27:40 > 0:27:43"First the death threats, then the damage to his property,
0:27:43 > 0:27:45"then kill him. Is that it?"
0:27:48 > 0:27:50It's like he's in another room,
0:27:50 > 0:27:53listening to the conversation. It's intriguing, it's very intriguing,
0:27:53 > 0:27:56but it's not his concern. I asked him, just to be sure,
0:27:56 > 0:27:58I said, "Can you hear my questions, Leo?
0:27:59 > 0:28:00Can you hear me?
0:28:09 > 0:28:10Laura?
0:28:12 > 0:28:15"You told us the bank collapsed and the river took the both of you,
0:28:15 > 0:28:18"but that's not what happened, is it?"
0:28:18 > 0:28:21Diddly squat and he's not squirming, not at all.
0:28:21 > 0:28:22A lot of people find it uncomfortable,
0:28:22 > 0:28:24not answering questions. It's not polite.
0:28:24 > 0:28:27They'll look down at their hands and their lap or they'll keep
0:28:27 > 0:28:31coming out with that oxymoronic, "No comment." But not him.
0:28:31 > 0:28:34And he's not ignoring me. He's looking at me.
0:28:34 > 0:28:38He's engaged, he's interested, but it's academic, it's not about him.
0:28:40 > 0:28:44And then what I did, I mimed a question, I mouthed it.
0:28:45 > 0:28:49Kept the eye contact, kept the searching expression, just...
0:28:49 > 0:28:50..mouthed it.
0:28:51 > 0:28:54And he leant forward, just ever so slightly.
0:28:54 > 0:28:56And that gave me my answer.
0:28:56 > 0:28:58He was hearing the other ones, he must've been,
0:28:58 > 0:29:02otherwise why lean forward for the one he couldn't hear?
0:29:02 > 0:29:05Had to describe it for the tape, of course, what I was doing.
0:29:05 > 0:29:07I said, "What if I mimed all my questions, Leo?
0:29:07 > 0:29:10"That wouldn't get us very far, would it?"
0:29:10 > 0:29:12Silence. Wouldn't get us very far.
0:29:16 > 0:29:17I hit him with the big one.
0:29:18 > 0:29:23I said, "I've been talking to Rafe Carey's wife, Leo. To Emma.
0:29:23 > 0:29:25"Your sister-in-law."
0:29:28 > 0:29:30"Can you tell me about Sonia?
0:29:32 > 0:29:34"Can you tell me about your daughter?
0:29:36 > 0:29:38"Is that what this is about?
0:29:38 > 0:29:41"You blamed Rafe Carey for that, didn't you?
0:29:41 > 0:29:43"He and his wife looked after her, while you
0:29:43 > 0:29:46and your wife were in Rome.
0:29:46 > 0:29:48"And she had meningitis and she died.
0:29:48 > 0:29:52"And you never talked about it or let him explain or..."
0:29:54 > 0:29:56"It was Rafe Carey's idea, is that right?
0:29:57 > 0:30:01"To go away, by yourselves. Time to patch things up.
0:30:03 > 0:30:06"He paid for that trip, didn't he? A present to Katrina."
0:30:08 > 0:30:09Nothing.
0:30:12 > 0:30:13Nothing.
0:30:16 > 0:30:20Corinne Evans is a bold woman. A woman not easily deterred.
0:30:22 > 0:30:23If you like to feel a woman
0:30:23 > 0:30:27could grab a situation by the scruff of the neck, if the need arose...
0:30:29 > 0:30:30..Corinne could.
0:30:31 > 0:30:34If you like that type.
0:30:34 > 0:30:37The firefighter type, the tough police officer.
0:30:37 > 0:30:39Someone that hasn't had to look too deep into herself
0:30:39 > 0:30:42and then needs to and then comes calling.
0:30:42 > 0:30:44If you do.
0:30:44 > 0:30:47I'll front up to anyone, but there's only so long you can say
0:30:47 > 0:30:49so much and the other person say so little.
0:30:50 > 0:30:52Your questions start coming back at you,
0:30:52 > 0:30:55start preying on your own mind, instead of theirs.
0:30:57 > 0:30:59It spooked me, after a bit.
0:31:01 > 0:31:03It spooked me quite a lot, in fact.
0:31:05 > 0:31:07The room was very small and just the one of us speaking.
0:31:07 > 0:31:09I had to get out of there, in the end.
0:31:10 > 0:31:13I talked to the medic about the blood on the stone.
0:31:16 > 0:31:17Got the diagnosis.
0:31:20 > 0:31:23So, I can't say I can't talk.
0:31:27 > 0:31:32He watched me go, scuttling off with my little blank cassette tape.
0:31:32 > 0:31:33Laura.
0:31:36 > 0:31:37Laura.
0:31:43 > 0:31:47I saw my wife. She said she thought I was dead.
0:31:49 > 0:31:51I suppose it's a mixed feeling.
0:31:51 > 0:31:53You think someone's dead, then you see them
0:31:53 > 0:31:56and they say they're not, but they will be soon.
0:31:59 > 0:32:02Maybe you think, "Now I've got to go through all that again."
0:32:04 > 0:32:06I saw her in town.
0:32:06 > 0:32:08It reminded me why I don't go there.
0:32:16 > 0:32:18I went to the police station,
0:32:18 > 0:32:21to tell the detective about the shouting.
0:32:23 > 0:32:25She drove me back to the river bank.
0:32:26 > 0:32:29She asked me if I'd heard other voices or just that one.
0:32:29 > 0:32:31I said, I heard three.
0:32:31 > 0:32:34"Frankie! Frankie! Frankie!"
0:32:35 > 0:32:38They were shouting.
0:32:38 > 0:32:39Three.
0:32:39 > 0:32:41I was on the opposite bank,
0:32:41 > 0:32:45in the trees...sorting my traps.
0:32:47 > 0:32:48I couldn't see...
0:32:49 > 0:32:51..but I could hear.
0:32:51 > 0:32:53There was three of them.
0:32:53 > 0:32:55One of them said the other was a junkie.
0:32:55 > 0:32:58They were fighting. I could hear it in his voice.
0:32:58 > 0:33:00Struggling.
0:33:01 > 0:33:07And then, the other one, shouting, "Frankie! Frankie! Frankie!"
0:33:10 > 0:33:11Then, the splash.
0:33:12 > 0:33:14Then, the silence.
0:33:17 > 0:33:21I came out of the trees. The bank was washed away where they'd been.
0:33:23 > 0:33:24And further up...
0:33:27 > 0:33:29..the chair, the rods.
0:33:29 > 0:33:31The lines were still in the water.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35But there was no-one left.
0:33:37 > 0:33:40She wanted to see my boots, the detective.
0:33:42 > 0:33:44Asked if I'd found any money lying about.
0:33:46 > 0:33:48Asked my shoe size.
0:33:48 > 0:33:49Wanted to know if I owned a knife.
0:33:51 > 0:33:53She wanted to look around in here.
0:33:55 > 0:33:57Oh, it smells.
0:33:57 > 0:33:59I mean, I can't smell it, but it does.
0:34:00 > 0:34:05Smells rank. Smells...mortal.
0:34:07 > 0:34:13Still, she sat down and then, she didn't alter.
0:34:14 > 0:34:18She pretended she didn't notice. Didn't say anything for a while.
0:34:19 > 0:34:22I got the sense that she was weighing up
0:34:22 > 0:34:24whether to ask me something.
0:34:27 > 0:34:30"Do you hear things, living way out here all alone?"
0:34:32 > 0:34:34I said, "I hear lots of things."
0:34:34 > 0:34:36"Voices, maybe?"
0:34:37 > 0:34:42I said, "Voices, like by the river?" She said, "No."
0:34:44 > 0:34:47I said, "Rarely then, voices.
0:34:47 > 0:34:49"Unless, of course, you'd count the cries of the birds
0:34:49 > 0:34:51"and the animals as voices."
0:34:58 > 0:35:01"I lost someone," she said.
0:35:05 > 0:35:08"Recently. Someone dear to me."
0:35:11 > 0:35:13This didn't seem to request a reply.
0:35:15 > 0:35:16Silence fell.
0:35:19 > 0:35:20Eventually, she got up to go.
0:35:20 > 0:35:25I said, "In the normal run of things, I don't talk to the police,
0:35:25 > 0:35:27"but I'm turning over a new leaf."
0:35:28 > 0:35:30She said she was glad to hear it.
0:35:32 > 0:35:34Frankie found out where I worked.
0:35:34 > 0:35:36Maybe Katrina mentioned it.
0:35:36 > 0:35:39I came out one lunchtime to get a sandwich
0:35:39 > 0:35:42and he started walking along beside me.
0:35:42 > 0:35:44He wanted more money.
0:35:44 > 0:35:48He didn't exactly say that, but I didn't want him
0:35:48 > 0:35:49walking along beside me.
0:35:49 > 0:35:52I stopped to ask him what he wanted. He said, "You know what I want.
0:35:52 > 0:35:55"The question is, what do you want?"
0:35:55 > 0:35:59I grew up with my brother's arm around my shoulders.
0:35:59 > 0:36:02If I'm honest, no man has ever matched him.
0:36:02 > 0:36:03That was hard for Leo.
0:36:05 > 0:36:08I tell him over and over. I say, there was no competition,
0:36:08 > 0:36:10that a brother's a brother, a husband's a husband,
0:36:10 > 0:36:12that Rafe is Rafe and Leo is Leo.
0:36:12 > 0:36:17But he could tell that, in some way, Rafe was the archetype for me,
0:36:17 > 0:36:19for what a man should be.
0:36:19 > 0:36:22It was well known what happened to...
0:36:22 > 0:36:25..what happened to Katrina and me.
0:36:25 > 0:36:28Frankie must've made it his business to find out more and...
0:36:29 > 0:36:31..the way his mind worked...
0:36:38 > 0:36:42For a time, I thought about nothing but killing Rafe Carey.
0:36:42 > 0:36:45I'd plan it in detail, lose myself in it.
0:36:45 > 0:36:49I hid from other thoughts in that one and nursed it and fed it
0:36:49 > 0:36:53and, after a while, it bust my mind.
0:36:54 > 0:36:57If other thoughts intruded, I used it to sweep them away.
0:36:57 > 0:36:59I woke up with that thought.
0:36:59 > 0:37:01Wherever I went, I took it with me.
0:37:02 > 0:37:06I slept with it, when I slept. And when I slept, I dreamt it, too.
0:37:08 > 0:37:09Killing Rafe Carey.
0:37:10 > 0:37:14For my birthday, Rafe got us tickets to Rome. Two tickets.
0:37:15 > 0:37:18Leo joked that Rafe just wanted Sonia to himself.
0:37:18 > 0:37:21I could've killed Rafe Carey with my eyes closed.
0:37:21 > 0:37:24I could've killed Rafe Carey with one hand tied behind my back.
0:37:24 > 0:37:27I could've killed him without a second thought.
0:37:29 > 0:37:31But, of course...
0:37:34 > 0:37:35..I couldn't.
0:37:37 > 0:37:38Frankie saw that.
0:37:40 > 0:37:41Frankie monetised that.
0:37:42 > 0:37:46I bought him a mobile phone, bought him trainers, gave him money.
0:37:47 > 0:37:50He called it Operation X.
0:37:51 > 0:37:53He said I wasn't alone any more.
0:37:54 > 0:37:56He said we were a team.
0:37:59 > 0:38:00I wasn't alone.
0:38:02 > 0:38:04People come to me because they want to hear from the dead.
0:38:06 > 0:38:10But Corinne Evans hears too much from the dead.
0:38:10 > 0:38:15"Is it real?" she asked. "Is it Laura or is it just me?"
0:38:15 > 0:38:18She's written everything down in her police notebook,
0:38:18 > 0:38:21everything Laura says to her, like it was evidence.
0:38:21 > 0:38:23Pages and pages of it.
0:38:23 > 0:38:26Pages and pages and pages.
0:38:28 > 0:38:30Is it real?
0:38:30 > 0:38:33Is it things she's told me that I don't remember her telling me?
0:38:33 > 0:38:35Is it just in my head or is she speaking to me?
0:38:35 > 0:38:37Is she speaking to me, Isabel?
0:38:39 > 0:38:42She's gone through her e-mails, her photos.
0:38:42 > 0:38:44She's asked Laura's mother for her diary
0:38:44 > 0:38:47from when she was a little girl.
0:38:47 > 0:38:49What was the name of the horse she rode?
0:38:49 > 0:38:52Who taught her piano? How do I know these things, Isabel?
0:38:54 > 0:38:57"Tell me what it's like for you," she said, "when they come".
0:38:59 > 0:39:04"They're bullies," I said. "They crowd you and corner you."
0:39:05 > 0:39:07They give you no choice.
0:39:10 > 0:39:11We sat here.
0:39:12 > 0:39:15We held hands across the table. I think she expected it.
0:39:22 > 0:39:24There's no other side.
0:39:25 > 0:39:27Someone dies and they've passed over.
0:39:27 > 0:39:29They're on the other side.
0:39:29 > 0:39:30There's no other side.
0:39:32 > 0:39:34The living thrash about on the surface
0:39:34 > 0:39:36and the dead swim below, in darkness.
0:39:38 > 0:39:40They breathe water.
0:39:40 > 0:39:42There's no other side.
0:39:43 > 0:39:45Corinne Evans knows that.
0:39:48 > 0:39:50But she doesn't know she knows it.
0:39:50 > 0:39:54A particular concern to Sergeant Evans was her friend's parents -
0:39:54 > 0:39:57their grief in relation to hers.
0:39:57 > 0:40:01She'd read that losing a child often results in marital break-up
0:40:01 > 0:40:04and she didn't want that to happen to them.
0:40:04 > 0:40:06She wanted them to have the best chance they could
0:40:06 > 0:40:08at standing together on this.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10She wanted them to have the full picture,
0:40:10 > 0:40:13so they could face what they had to face.
0:40:14 > 0:40:18She used that expression a number of times - "the full picture".
0:40:20 > 0:40:24I asked her what she meant by it. She didn't elucidate.
0:40:26 > 0:40:27MUSIC PLAYS
0:40:33 > 0:40:37She had a bit of a cold before we left, but Rafe said it was nothing.
0:40:38 > 0:40:39The flu.
0:40:39 > 0:40:42He's a GP, so obviously when he said it was flu, that's what
0:40:42 > 0:40:43we thought she had.
0:40:45 > 0:40:49- CRYING:- By the time that he realised it wasn't, it was too late.
0:40:49 > 0:40:51We were in Rome and she was here.
0:40:53 > 0:40:55She was so far away.
0:40:59 > 0:41:01You think of white as white, but it's not.
0:41:01 > 0:41:03When I went to the shop and asked for white,
0:41:03 > 0:41:06they showed me the shades on the colour chart.
0:41:06 > 0:41:09And it was a good question. Which shade exactly?
0:41:09 > 0:41:11I took the chart away and I was...
0:41:12 > 0:41:16..I was going to ask Katrina, but she didn't want to paint the room.
0:41:17 > 0:41:19It was my decision.
0:41:19 > 0:41:21I went back out to the car park and sat in the car
0:41:21 > 0:41:24and looked at the colour chart...
0:41:24 > 0:41:27..and it was obvious, once I sat and thought about it.
0:41:29 > 0:41:31The white of our hotel room in Rome.
0:41:31 > 0:41:34That was where we'd been. That was what it had to be.
0:41:36 > 0:41:38I did think about going back there or phoning the hotel
0:41:38 > 0:41:41and asking them what paint they used, what white it was,
0:41:41 > 0:41:44but their English wasn't good and my Italian was non-existent.
0:41:44 > 0:41:47I learnt the phrase from Google Translate, though.
0:41:48 > 0:41:51"What shade of white are the walls in room seven?"
0:41:51 > 0:41:55Quali tonalit di bianco sono le pareti de la stanza sette?
0:41:55 > 0:41:58That was the white I wanted for her...
0:42:05 > 0:42:08That was the white I wanted for her...
0:42:08 > 0:42:10..for...
0:42:12 > 0:42:13'Say Sonia.'
0:42:15 > 0:42:17That was the white I wanted for her...
0:42:19 > 0:42:20'Say Sonia.'
0:42:38 > 0:42:40I paid Frankie Alder to kill Rafe Carey for...
0:42:41 > 0:42:42'Say Sonia.'
0:42:46 > 0:42:49I paid Frankie Alder to kill Rafe Carey for...
0:42:54 > 0:42:56..for my daughter.
0:43:08 > 0:43:10For my daughter.
0:43:20 > 0:43:21Not guilty.
0:43:24 > 0:43:26Guilty.
0:43:29 > 0:43:30Guilty, he says.
0:43:32 > 0:43:34The rest is just quibbling.
0:43:34 > 0:43:40Not a word of what or how or who. Just guilty.
0:43:43 > 0:43:44Nothing else matters.
0:43:44 > 0:43:46Not the truth. Nothing.
0:43:48 > 0:43:50Not if it will get him Sonia back.
0:43:56 > 0:43:58He's guilty, so it's 17 years.
0:44:03 > 0:44:05I stood by him...
0:44:08 > 0:44:10..but he's walked away.
0:44:12 > 0:44:14He's guilty.
0:44:16 > 0:44:1717 years.
0:44:20 > 0:44:22Gone.
0:44:25 > 0:44:26They're all gone.
0:44:41 > 0:44:44Guilty's not a confession. Guilty's a fucking cover-up!
0:44:44 > 0:44:46Guilty's not good enough.
0:44:47 > 0:44:50One of those two put the knife in Rafe Carey. Which one?
0:44:50 > 0:44:52That's a confession.
0:44:54 > 0:44:55Which one of you did it?!
0:44:55 > 0:45:00Guilty, what's that? It's nothing. Nothing but lies Leo Durridge told.
0:45:00 > 0:45:02Lies, then nothing.
0:45:02 > 0:45:06Lies, then silence - that's all Leo Durridge had to offer.
0:45:09 > 0:45:10Then, guilty.
0:45:12 > 0:45:16Well, fuck you, Leo, sitting in your prison cell, penitent.
0:45:16 > 0:45:17It's not good enough.
0:45:17 > 0:45:20Get down off your fucking cross! We need the wood!
0:45:22 > 0:45:24This kid's up in court with a bullshit story
0:45:24 > 0:45:26that only you can contradict.
0:45:26 > 0:45:31My client, Frankie Alder, took money from Leo Durridge
0:45:31 > 0:45:34and said he would kill Rafe Carey.
0:45:34 > 0:45:36But he never had any intention of doing it.
0:45:37 > 0:45:38He conned him.
0:45:40 > 0:45:41End of story.
0:45:43 > 0:45:44End of story.
0:45:45 > 0:45:47Guilty, that's all he'd say.
0:45:47 > 0:45:49He'd spooked me with silence, but this was worse.
0:45:49 > 0:45:52I'd ask a question, he'd answer, "Guilty."
0:45:52 > 0:45:55"It's time you told me about Frankie Alder, Leo."
0:45:55 > 0:45:56"Guilty."
0:45:56 > 0:45:59"The two of you conspired to kill Rafe Carey, didn't you?"
0:45:59 > 0:46:00"Guilty."
0:46:01 > 0:46:04I said, "We've got a witness heard you shouting his name."
0:46:04 > 0:46:07"You were in this together, Leo. Just admit it."
0:46:07 > 0:46:11He went to the river bank where Durridge and Carey were fishing
0:46:11 > 0:46:13and demanded money with menaces.
0:46:14 > 0:46:16He had a knife.
0:46:16 > 0:46:18Basically, Your Honour...
0:46:18 > 0:46:20Frankie Alder is stupid.
0:46:21 > 0:46:24Stupid and wilful and unreflective.
0:46:25 > 0:46:29He thought, if he went to the river and waved a knife at Rafe Carey,
0:46:29 > 0:46:33he'd secure the final payment promised him by Leo Durridge
0:46:33 > 0:46:34in relation to the proposed murder.
0:46:34 > 0:46:37He didn't know how Carey would react.
0:46:37 > 0:46:41He hadn't given any thought to that
0:46:41 > 0:46:43and he ended up in the river, as a result.
0:46:48 > 0:46:53Now...if we look at the evidence of the late Mr...
0:46:59 > 0:47:01..the late Mr Desmond Tiernan.
0:47:03 > 0:47:08He heard Leo Durridge shouting, "Frankie! Frankie! Frankie!"
0:47:08 > 0:47:11Heard three shouts and a splash, in that order.
0:47:16 > 0:47:18But if we look at the weather that day
0:47:18 > 0:47:21and its likely effect on the acoustics at the scene...
0:47:23 > 0:47:28..and if we take into consideration what we know about his extremely
0:47:28 > 0:47:31poor health and his wife's comments on his state of mind...
0:47:34 > 0:47:37..how sure can we really be of exactly what he heard?
0:47:40 > 0:47:45Isn't it more likely that the splash came before the last of the shouts?
0:47:45 > 0:47:50That Frankie Alder ended up alone in the river, as he claims,
0:47:50 > 0:47:51and as Leo Durridge also confirms,
0:47:51 > 0:47:54leaving Durridge and Carey on the bank?
0:47:54 > 0:47:56"Why don't we go through everything that happened that day?
0:47:56 > 0:47:58"Why don't we start again, right at the beginning?"
0:47:58 > 0:48:00"Guilty. Guilty, guilty."
0:48:00 > 0:48:03I said, "Break it up for us a bit, will you, Leo? It's getting samey."
0:48:03 > 0:48:05"Guilty. I said, "If..."
0:48:05 > 0:48:08He didn't even let me finish. "Guilty," he said.
0:48:08 > 0:48:09Looked me in the eyes.
0:48:10 > 0:48:11"Guilty."
0:48:12 > 0:48:15I opened my mouth again to say... "Guilty!"
0:48:15 > 0:48:21Plus, Leo Durridge has come here from prison today, has come
0:48:21 > 0:48:25here voluntarily from prison today, to confirm my client's story.
0:48:27 > 0:48:29I opened my mouth again, to say... "Guilty."
0:48:31 > 0:48:32Accusation.
0:48:34 > 0:48:36He was accusing me.
0:48:36 > 0:48:38Everything I did or said, "Guilty."
0:48:39 > 0:48:42I had a lot of questions I needed to...
0:48:43 > 0:48:45..but the words hitting me, that word hitting me.
0:48:47 > 0:48:48Knowing it was com...
0:48:51 > 0:48:53It started to...
0:48:53 > 0:48:54I didn't want to put my que...
0:48:54 > 0:48:57..because I didn't want...
0:48:57 > 0:48:59It was like a twisted...
0:49:00 > 0:49:02Guilty. All I was hearing was...
0:49:06 > 0:49:07Tears welling up in me.
0:49:07 > 0:49:10For Christ's sake, I'm stifling a sob.
0:49:10 > 0:49:13If I opened my mouth, there is going to be...
0:49:15 > 0:49:17..emotion. There is going to be...
0:49:20 > 0:49:22..big emotion. There's going to be...
0:49:27 > 0:49:30I'm a professional. I compartm...
0:49:31 > 0:49:33Laura over here, death here.
0:49:36 > 0:49:37Here.
0:49:38 > 0:49:41Here.
0:49:41 > 0:49:44Here! This death now over here, Rafe.
0:49:44 > 0:49:46There's no over...
0:49:47 > 0:49:49..this one and Laura, none.
0:49:51 > 0:49:53Except they're both dead and shouldn't...
0:49:55 > 0:49:59They can't start without me and I'm not there.
0:50:01 > 0:50:02They met at 16.
0:50:03 > 0:50:06Inseparable, besotted.
0:50:06 > 0:50:08Those were her words.
0:50:08 > 0:50:11Sometimes, Laura tells her she was trying to help a fox
0:50:11 > 0:50:14at the side of the road that had been hit by a car.
0:50:14 > 0:50:18She says she's sorry. She had to help the fox.
0:50:18 > 0:50:20It was crying out in distress.
0:50:21 > 0:50:24Other times, she tells her she'll meet her there,
0:50:24 > 0:50:27at the spot where she died, which Corinne takes to mean
0:50:27 > 0:50:29the place itself, the road where the fox was,
0:50:29 > 0:50:31the place where Laura pulled over.
0:50:32 > 0:50:36I asked her, "What will you say to her, if she comes?"
0:50:37 > 0:50:42Her mum and dad bring food, photographs of Laura,
0:50:42 > 0:50:44old school books, swimming certificates,
0:50:44 > 0:50:46her diary from when she was nine.
0:50:46 > 0:50:48But she wouldn't say.
0:50:48 > 0:50:51And we talk about her. "What's she said this time?"
0:50:51 > 0:50:54They say, "We'll look it up. Check. We'll know if it's her."
0:50:54 > 0:50:57I want to say, "It was over between us, can you not see?"
0:50:57 > 0:51:00I was too much of a coward to tell her, but...
0:51:03 > 0:51:05I can't...I can't do it.
0:51:09 > 0:51:12I can hardly hear them, even, hardly even...see them.
0:51:18 > 0:51:19All I can see is her.
0:51:24 > 0:51:26I'm on the other side already.
0:51:36 > 0:51:43If there was any actual attempt at murder, in relation to my client,
0:51:43 > 0:51:46it was upon him by Rafe Carey...
0:51:46 > 0:51:48..who pushed him in the river...
0:51:48 > 0:51:50- ALL:- ..despite his vulnerable protestations...
0:51:50 > 0:51:53that he couldn't swim.
0:51:55 > 0:51:58People are surprised when I say I won't visit.
0:51:58 > 0:52:00And then they say, trying to rationalise it,
0:52:00 > 0:52:02"Well, he did kill your brother."
0:52:02 > 0:52:05I say, "Oh, did he? Has he told you that?"
0:52:05 > 0:52:07"Well, the other man, he got off."
0:52:09 > 0:52:11I only mean he's never told me.
0:52:12 > 0:52:16I think he planned it so that it never happened, planned it
0:52:16 > 0:52:17so that it couldn't.
0:52:19 > 0:52:24It wasn't about killing Rafe. It was about Leo and Frankie.
0:52:24 > 0:52:26A red sticker on a cash machine?
0:52:26 > 0:52:30That anyone might've removed before Frankie even saw it? No.
0:52:30 > 0:52:32And then walking five miles in the rain,
0:52:32 > 0:52:35killing a man for the promise of £250?
0:52:35 > 0:52:36Frankie Alder?
0:52:40 > 0:52:44It meant that Frankie got money in his pocket and Rafe got to live
0:52:44 > 0:52:49and Leo got to tell himself that he tried and failed to kill him.
0:52:49 > 0:52:52EERIE MUSIC PLAYS
0:53:09 > 0:53:11What's this?
0:53:16 > 0:53:19What do you want, son?
0:53:19 > 0:53:21Don't speak.
0:53:21 > 0:53:23I'm only asking what you want.
0:53:23 > 0:53:24You're standing there with that big knife
0:53:24 > 0:53:26I want you not to speak.
0:53:26 > 0:53:29You want money? Here. We have money.
0:53:29 > 0:53:30Shut up.
0:53:36 > 0:53:39You stupid fuckin' junkie bastard!
0:53:39 > 0:53:41I watched him launch himself at Frankie,
0:53:41 > 0:53:45smacking his fat head into Frankie's face, grabbing at the knife,
0:53:45 > 0:53:48casting everything asunder, to have his way.
0:53:48 > 0:53:49Frankie! Frankie!
0:53:52 > 0:53:56Everything I wanted to know and could never ask about my daughter.
0:53:56 > 0:54:00Flying back from Rome, not knowing whether she's alive or dead.
0:54:00 > 0:54:03Or called out for us or what she might've said.
0:54:04 > 0:54:05My daughter, my...
0:54:08 > 0:54:10My daughter.
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0:55:15 > 0:55:17And I shut him up forever.
0:55:21 > 0:55:23Forever.
0:55:26 > 0:55:27And then the bank gave way.
0:55:34 > 0:55:38Everything I wanted to know, but could never ask, about my daughter.
0:55:39 > 0:55:42Flying back from Rome, not knowing whether she's alive or dead
0:55:42 > 0:55:45or called out for us or what she might have said.
0:55:46 > 0:55:48My daughter. My...
0:55:51 > 0:55:52My daughter. My...
0:55:54 > 0:55:56My...
0:55:57 > 0:55:59My daughter - mine and Katrina's.
0:56:01 > 0:56:04Tossed away by him... who always knows best.
0:56:07 > 0:56:10What I wanted to know, Rafe knew.
0:56:10 > 0:56:14And where I wanted to be, Rafe was.
0:56:14 > 0:56:15With her.
0:56:16 > 0:56:18With her.
0:56:18 > 0:56:20With Sonia.
0:56:32 > 0:56:35The river's a crazy place when you're in it.
0:56:36 > 0:56:37It's a mad place.
0:56:39 > 0:56:40It's not a place at all, is it?
0:56:44 > 0:56:45Well, it's a river.