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0:00:13 > 0:00:15The murderers' names.
0:00:15 > 0:00:19He didn't mention the murderers' names.
0:00:19 > 0:00:21Do you have trouble mentioning the names?
0:00:22 > 0:00:25- RADIO:- 'Well, I think this track may well get you fully in the mood.
0:00:25 > 0:00:28'This is the new one from Kylie. Been playing it for you all week,
0:00:28 > 0:00:31'it's called In Your Eyes, from her album Fever.
0:00:31 > 0:00:33'# What on earth am I meant to do?
0:00:33 > 0:00:37'# In this crowded place there is only you
0:00:37 > 0:00:41'# Was gonna leave now I have to stay
0:00:41 > 0:00:47'# You have taken my breath away
0:00:47 > 0:00:49'# Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh-ooh
0:00:49 > 0:00:52'# Is the world still spinning round?
0:00:52 > 0:00:55'# Spinning round
0:00:55 > 0:00:57'# Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh-ooh
0:00:57 > 0:01:00'# I don't feel like coming down... #'
0:01:00 > 0:01:02The Harris brothers.
0:01:02 > 0:01:04Clyde Harris,
0:01:04 > 0:01:06Whitmore Harris,
0:01:06 > 0:01:08and Curtis Kodro.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12"Do you think you'd feel different
0:01:12 > 0:01:14"if you knew which one of them did it?"
0:01:16 > 0:01:19It made sense, not telling them which one of us it was.
0:01:19 > 0:01:21Whitmore knew what he was doing,
0:01:21 > 0:01:22it made sense then, you know what I mean?
0:01:22 > 0:01:24We could scrabble around, dog eating dog,
0:01:24 > 0:01:26or we could have some dignity,
0:01:26 > 0:01:29keep our mouths shut, and face the music.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31A life sentence is a long time to keep your mouth shut
0:01:31 > 0:01:33for the sake of Curtis Kodro.
0:01:35 > 0:01:37Curtis Kodro was never MY brother,
0:01:37 > 0:01:39whatever Whitmore said.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42He weren't just trying to save himself.
0:01:42 > 0:01:43He made sense then.
0:01:43 > 0:01:44So, we said nothing.
0:01:46 > 0:01:47We killed a man.
0:01:47 > 0:01:49And how about the gravity of that?
0:01:56 > 0:02:00- BRIAN COX:- 'Tonight, thanks to NASA's Cassini spacecraft,
0:02:00 > 0:02:03'we hope to witness the birth of a new moon in the rings of Saturn.
0:02:04 > 0:02:08'Inconceivably wide, but barely ten metres thick
0:02:08 > 0:02:10'and silent as the grave.
0:02:11 > 0:02:14'Saturn's rings are made of the tiny, dust-sized, icy particles
0:02:14 > 0:02:16'and rocks as big as mountains.
0:02:18 > 0:02:20'Visible from Earth with a telescope,
0:02:20 > 0:02:23'they were first observed by Galileo...'
0:02:29 > 0:02:31"Psych" they call her in here.
0:02:32 > 0:02:34Psycho, Psych.
0:02:35 > 0:02:39"What is it that makes you so angry about it after all this time?"
0:02:39 > 0:02:41I said, "If you can't see that by now
0:02:41 > 0:02:42"then what are they paying you for?"
0:02:42 > 0:02:45She says, "In your own words, I mean."
0:02:47 > 0:02:52In my own words, those three killed my dad when they had no need to.
0:02:52 > 0:02:55There was three of them and one of him.
0:02:55 > 0:03:00They had guns and Tasers and baseball bats and what did he have?
0:03:00 > 0:03:03He had a mobile phone and a tone of authority.
0:03:03 > 0:03:06Not only that, not only did they take a man's life
0:03:06 > 0:03:08when they didn't need to, my dad's life,
0:03:08 > 0:03:11they never said which one of them did it.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15What sort of a court is that that doesn't nail a killer for murder?
0:03:17 > 0:03:20The three of them sitting in the dock, right through the whole trial,
0:03:20 > 0:03:24never budge from there, never open their mouths, not one of them.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27Never even had the guts to look at me the day I went.
0:03:27 > 0:03:30A seven-year-old kid wanting to know who killed her dad,
0:03:30 > 0:03:32thinking the judge and the lawyers would sort it out
0:03:32 > 0:03:35and find the truth, and those three,
0:03:35 > 0:03:38sitting there, looking anywhere but at me.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41What makes me angry about it?
0:03:50 > 0:03:53The dead guy, PC Prescott.
0:03:53 > 0:03:55Stuart Prescott, give him his name.
0:03:55 > 0:03:57His kid's counsellor's made an official approach
0:03:57 > 0:03:59for all three of us, that's what she says.
0:03:59 > 0:04:02Would we maybe think again about telling the truth?
0:04:05 > 0:04:07Maybe she hasn't met Clyde Harris.
0:04:09 > 0:04:11"The big bang," she said.
0:04:11 > 0:04:13"A tiny moment in time, but everything in your life
0:04:13 > 0:04:15"since has come out of it."
0:04:16 > 0:04:18I said, "I thought it was meant to be my own words."
0:04:18 > 0:04:21"You'll be getting out of here tomorrow," she said.
0:04:21 > 0:04:23"This is the last of our little get-togethers
0:04:23 > 0:04:26"and right outside that gate you'll have a decision to make.
0:04:26 > 0:04:31"Turn left and wait for the 97 bus and it'll take you back into town
0:04:31 > 0:04:34"and you can pick right up where you left off doing all the angry things
0:04:34 > 0:04:38"that put you in here in the first place. Or you can turn right.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41"Do you know what there is that way? The new you."
0:04:43 > 0:04:45She said, "Something funny?"
0:04:45 > 0:04:47I said, "Your ears stick out like car doors.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49"I've often wanted to say that."
0:04:49 > 0:04:52She said, "What is it that makes you so angry about it?"
0:04:52 > 0:04:53I said, "About your ears?"
0:04:53 > 0:04:55She said, "About your dad."
0:04:55 > 0:04:57I said, "Do you think they help you hear better?"
0:04:59 > 0:05:01She sent us a picture of her, the daughter,
0:05:01 > 0:05:04in the newspaper at the funeral, aged about eight. Sweet little girl.
0:05:04 > 0:05:06Banged up now like the rest of us.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10The counsellor says it's not all doom and gloom, though.
0:05:10 > 0:05:15A window of hope remains open and the truth would help.
0:05:15 > 0:05:16Truth?
0:05:16 > 0:05:19In the interests of a young person's future?
0:05:19 > 0:05:23In the interests of her mental health. Opportunity for closure.
0:05:24 > 0:05:26Disclosure, unburdening.
0:05:27 > 0:05:30Opportunity for me to get me throat cut by Clyde Harris,
0:05:30 > 0:05:31what sort of an opportunity is that?
0:05:31 > 0:05:32DOOR BANGS
0:05:34 > 0:05:35It's coming now.
0:05:35 > 0:05:37FOOTSTEPS ECHO
0:05:37 > 0:05:40I mean, the governor will be here, banging on that door.
0:05:40 > 0:05:45I mean, the governor and me, I mean we're just two men, two mortals.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48It transcends. I mean, it's bigger than who's done what,
0:05:48 > 0:05:49who's on the right side of the law,
0:05:49 > 0:05:51who's on the right side of that door.
0:05:51 > 0:05:53I mean, it goes bigger. I mean, how can it not, like?
0:05:53 > 0:05:55It's creation.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58I mean, this is what they say at NASA or whatever -
0:05:58 > 0:06:00all we know is that something is there.
0:06:00 > 0:06:03Well, we can track the effect of an object in the rings,
0:06:03 > 0:06:04perturbing the particles around it.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07Like, creating a disturbance in the rings.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09Like a moon from nothing.
0:06:09 > 0:06:11Like, from debris.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16Like, and you might think in here, being stuck in here all this time,
0:06:16 > 0:06:19that I've no reach, like I'm a stone thrown too far up on the beach,
0:06:19 > 0:06:22but that's wrong, because the same atoms flow through us.
0:06:22 > 0:06:26Me and Saturn, and Curtis Kodro, and everyone else.
0:06:28 > 0:06:29We're all in the mixer.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32You can hear it almost,
0:06:32 > 0:06:34hear the whirl of everything.
0:06:38 > 0:06:40So, don't tell me I've got no reach.
0:06:42 > 0:06:44Curtis Kodro knows I've got reach.
0:06:44 > 0:06:46Curtis Kodro knows I know what he's been saying.
0:06:49 > 0:06:52A new addition to the universe.
0:06:52 > 0:06:54Like, it blows your mind.
0:06:56 > 0:06:58GUNSHOTS
0:07:00 > 0:07:02Ten years thinking about 30 seconds.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08Clyde, Curtis, all of us in here, doing life. In here.
0:07:09 > 0:07:10In here.
0:07:13 > 0:07:1530 seconds expanded over ten years.
0:07:15 > 0:07:16In your mind...
0:07:18 > 0:07:19You know it.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23You know it better than you ever wanted to know it.
0:07:25 > 0:07:30Ten years later, Clyde's telling me that it's all down to Curtis
0:07:30 > 0:07:33and that he knows what to do about that.
0:07:33 > 0:07:36And Curtis is coming to me with tears pricking his eyes saying,
0:07:36 > 0:07:38"Have you got control of your brother or haven't you?
0:07:38 > 0:07:41"Because he's looking to kill me."
0:07:41 > 0:07:43Ten years I've been holding this all together...
0:07:45 > 0:07:47..while it tries so hard to unravel.
0:07:51 > 0:07:5327 minutes.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58Robbery, getaway, torch getaway car,
0:07:58 > 0:08:00make off in the second car.
0:08:00 > 0:08:0426-and-a-half of those minutes passed off as planned.
0:08:08 > 0:08:09The last half a minute...
0:08:11 > 0:08:12Well...
0:08:31 > 0:08:32"Do you think you'd feel different
0:08:32 > 0:08:34"if you knew which one of them did it?"
0:08:36 > 0:08:39She's been in touch, so she says.
0:08:39 > 0:08:44And one of them got back to her, said he'd talk to her, tomorrow.
0:08:51 > 0:08:54He'd still be dead. I said, "What difference would it make?"
0:09:07 > 0:09:11When I was a kid, me cousin walked right through a plate-glass window.
0:09:11 > 0:09:13Picking glass out of him for days.
0:09:13 > 0:09:15There was this one bit they didn't get.
0:09:15 > 0:09:19Made its way across his shoulder, through his chest,
0:09:19 > 0:09:21down to his belly and come out his fucking cock years later.
0:09:23 > 0:09:25That's what the truth's like.
0:09:29 > 0:09:31Maybe that counsellor's right.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34Maybe it's time the truth was out there.
0:09:36 > 0:09:38Maybe it's the night for the truth.
0:09:39 > 0:09:41Maybe that ends it here and now.
0:10:03 > 0:10:05- MUFFLED BANGING, WOMAN SHOUTING: - Open the door!
0:10:07 > 0:10:11Curtis Kodro, Whitmore Harris, Clyde Harris.
0:10:11 > 0:10:14Curtis Kodro, Whitmore Harris, Clyde Harris.
0:10:14 > 0:10:18Curtis Kodro, Whitmore Harris, Clyde Harris.
0:10:18 > 0:10:21Curtis Kodro, Whitmore Harris, Clyde Harris.
0:10:21 > 0:10:25Round and round in circles,
0:10:25 > 0:10:28and the only one inside the circle is me.
0:10:30 > 0:10:3215 months planning that job.
0:10:34 > 0:10:36I'd thought of everything.
0:10:36 > 0:10:37Everything.
0:10:41 > 0:10:44It was a bailiff's office, so they had a bit of everything.
0:10:44 > 0:10:47We were picking up gold and silver and Rolex watches
0:10:47 > 0:10:49and dollars and sterling.
0:10:49 > 0:10:51It was like an Aladdin's cave.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54They'd had a good day's trading that day and, as a consequence,
0:10:54 > 0:10:55we did, too.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58He shouldn't have even been there, my dad.
0:10:58 > 0:11:01He never took me swimming. He only took me that one time.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03It was Mum that took me to swimming lessons every Thursday,
0:11:03 > 0:11:06straight after school, on the bus,
0:11:06 > 0:11:09but the woman she worked with, her upstairs neighbour left her
0:11:09 > 0:11:10bath running and flooded her flat
0:11:10 > 0:11:13and she couldn't come in for her three-to-six shift,
0:11:13 > 0:11:16so they asked my mum if she could stay on and do it and she
0:11:16 > 0:11:20said only if she could find someone to take me to swimming lessons.
0:11:20 > 0:11:22And her boss said, "What about that ex-husband of yours?
0:11:22 > 0:11:25"You're always saying he doesn't see enough of the kid."
0:11:25 > 0:11:27And she said, "He'd probably be busy."
0:11:27 > 0:11:28And he said "Do you want me to call him?"
0:11:28 > 0:11:32And she said, "Don't be stupid," and called him. Texted him.
0:11:34 > 0:11:36I said to my mum, "Was it my fault?"
0:11:36 > 0:11:38cos I'd gone in wearing my cossie, and she said,
0:11:38 > 0:11:42"No, it's because there are some very bad men in the world."
0:11:42 > 0:11:44'But I was thinking, there ARE bad men,
0:11:44 > 0:11:45'but he wouldn't have run into them, would he,
0:11:45 > 0:11:49'if I hadn't said I wanted to go in wearing my swimming costume?
0:11:49 > 0:11:51'I'd done another job to fund that job.
0:11:51 > 0:11:53'That's how seriously I took it.'
0:11:53 > 0:11:56I'd done a subsidiary job to fund that one.
0:11:57 > 0:12:00And I got nicked doing the subsidiary job
0:12:00 > 0:12:02because I'd done insufficient planning. So...
0:12:03 > 0:12:06..three months before, and a year in Wakefield planning.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09When I got out, I spent a week checking that nothing had changed
0:12:09 > 0:12:12while I'd been inside that would affect the plan.
0:12:12 > 0:12:14It couldn't have been better thought through.
0:12:14 > 0:12:17Mum told me later that she didn't want him taking me
0:12:17 > 0:12:19because she had my swimming things with her at work and that meant
0:12:19 > 0:12:22he'd have to come by and get 'em and she didn't want to see him.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25And anyway, she thought he'd be at work.
0:12:25 > 0:12:26But he wasn't.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28She got her boss to tell him she was busy when he came by,
0:12:28 > 0:12:31so he gave him my swimming things.
0:12:31 > 0:12:32But she could see.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34She was watching from the storeroom.
0:12:34 > 0:12:35She was standing on a stool.
0:12:35 > 0:12:39She wanted to see if he had Lisette with him.
0:12:39 > 0:12:41That was the last time that she saw him.
0:12:41 > 0:12:43She said she was sorry after, that she hadn't come out
0:12:43 > 0:12:45and said a few words to him,
0:12:45 > 0:12:47but maybe that was a blessing in disguise
0:12:47 > 0:12:51because those words mightn't have been very nice ones.
0:12:51 > 0:12:52Start with clothes.
0:12:52 > 0:12:54Identical outfits -
0:12:54 > 0:12:57balaclavas, hoodies, jeans,
0:12:57 > 0:12:59gloves, trainers.
0:12:59 > 0:13:01All black, all the same, can't tell us apart.
0:13:01 > 0:13:02Make it hard for them.
0:13:02 > 0:13:05They were going to get fucked off just even looking at the CCTV.
0:13:05 > 0:13:07They're going to have to get off their fat arses
0:13:07 > 0:13:10and point at the screen and go, "That fucker there."
0:13:10 > 0:13:14So, no exposed flesh, nor hair, nor tattoos. Nothing.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17We're generic, we're ciphers.
0:13:17 > 0:13:18We fade in the mind.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20We're here and then we're gone.
0:13:20 > 0:13:21Let fear do the rest.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23'And no-one gets hurt.'
0:13:23 > 0:13:25I checked with the woman Mum worked with
0:13:25 > 0:13:28about her upstairs neighbour flooding her flat.
0:13:28 > 0:13:31She said it was true. She said the ceiling came down.
0:13:31 > 0:13:34She showed me the photos she took for her insurance.
0:13:34 > 0:13:36I said I wanted to speak to her neighbour,
0:13:36 > 0:13:38but she said, I wouldn't want to do that,
0:13:38 > 0:13:40that she was a very angry individual.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42'Weapons.'
0:13:42 > 0:13:46Your first and most important weapon is your sheer physical presence.
0:13:46 > 0:13:48Now, on top of that, but secondary,
0:13:48 > 0:13:50one firearm, one stun gun,
0:13:50 > 0:13:52one blunt instrument.
0:13:52 > 0:13:55As a complete package, you're looking for maximum impact,
0:13:55 > 0:13:57maximum fear.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59You're only going to need it for five minutes,
0:13:59 > 0:14:00but it must have impact.
0:14:00 > 0:14:03You want to guarantee that everyone in those premises
0:14:03 > 0:14:05is going to look at you and your stock and trade
0:14:05 > 0:14:07and know that you are not to be messed with.
0:14:07 > 0:14:09I wanted to go on the bus to the pool
0:14:09 > 0:14:12in my cossie and goggles and snorkel.
0:14:12 > 0:14:15Mum said I could get changed at school before we went.
0:14:15 > 0:14:19She thought it was funny, like I did, and people would look.
0:14:19 > 0:14:20I wouldn't want to do it now,
0:14:20 > 0:14:23but then I was an attention-seeking little twat
0:14:23 > 0:14:27so when he came, I asked him and he said no.
0:14:27 > 0:14:29Personnel. Go with brains and an even temper.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31And that's what I saw in Curtis.
0:14:31 > 0:14:34And so did Clyde, no matter what he's saying now.
0:14:34 > 0:14:36In the car, I said, "What if I get changed in here
0:14:36 > 0:14:38"while you're driving? I could still walk in in my cossie,
0:14:38 > 0:14:40"people would still think it was funny."
0:14:40 > 0:14:43He wasn't even listening. He was asking about Mum.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46He didn't want to be doing this, taking a kid swimming.
0:14:46 > 0:14:49I said, "What about her? She cries most nights."
0:14:49 > 0:14:51And he said, "Does she talk about having me back?"
0:14:51 > 0:14:53And I said, "What about Lisette?"
0:14:56 > 0:14:58What a stupid fucking thing to say.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03He shut up then.
0:15:07 > 0:15:09I still don't know if he wanted to come back
0:15:11 > 0:15:12'Vehicles.'
0:15:12 > 0:15:15An armed robber will have a getaway car and a backup car.
0:15:15 > 0:15:17The getaway car, you torch and dump,
0:15:17 > 0:15:18and then you make off in the other.
0:15:18 > 0:15:20I had two others.
0:15:20 > 0:15:23That's in case of mishaps, roadworks,
0:15:23 > 0:15:25or Christ knows what else.
0:15:25 > 0:15:26Two cars.
0:15:26 > 0:15:28That one parked up a mile east
0:15:28 > 0:15:31and another one parked up a mile west.
0:15:31 > 0:15:32That's forethought.
0:15:33 > 0:15:34That's thinking.
0:15:35 > 0:15:38That's the hallmark of a Whitmore Harris job.
0:15:38 > 0:15:42I wanted him to park on the far side of the car park,
0:15:42 > 0:15:45right away from the pool, near where the bus stop was,
0:15:45 > 0:15:47so the walk would be longest,
0:15:47 > 0:15:50more people would see me walking in my cossie and snorkel.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52But he didn't.
0:15:52 > 0:15:55He was pissed off. He said Mum spoiled me.
0:15:55 > 0:15:57He said if I was going to do that,
0:15:57 > 0:16:00he was going to park right round the back where no-one could see me.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03Like he was ashamed of me.
0:16:03 > 0:16:06Last, recce.
0:16:06 > 0:16:08More important than everything put together.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11You recce, recce and recce again.
0:16:11 > 0:16:13"When are the big men going in there?
0:16:13 > 0:16:14"When are they not?"
0:16:14 > 0:16:17I went in one time with a concealed camera,
0:16:17 > 0:16:18pretending to be looking for a job,
0:16:18 > 0:16:20and I shot every inch of those premises.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23I came home and made floor plan sketches
0:16:23 > 0:16:26and I watched it over and over and over, dozens of times,
0:16:26 > 0:16:27until I got it into my head.
0:16:27 > 0:16:31And then I quizzed Clyde and Curtis until they threw pizza at me.
0:16:31 > 0:16:33He came in the leisure centre with me
0:16:33 > 0:16:35and then he went back to where he parked the car
0:16:35 > 0:16:38because he said scumbags frequented that patch of ground at the back
0:16:38 > 0:16:40and the car wasn't safe.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43And on the day, it went like a dream.
0:16:43 > 0:16:45It went like fuckin' clockwork.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55A woman inside the building heard him shout,
0:16:55 > 0:16:58"Police! Hold it right there!"
0:16:58 > 0:17:00"Harris, hold it right there."
0:17:02 > 0:17:06Now he either knew me or he knew Clyde...
0:17:09 > 0:17:11..but I couldn't have it either way.
0:17:12 > 0:17:14I couldn't have it. I couldn't.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16I'd got Clyde into this
0:17:16 > 0:17:19and I couldn't let it end like this.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22I couldn't let him down, I couldn't. Not him or Curtis.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26I'd torched the car and I was shouting at Curtis,
0:17:26 > 0:17:27"Stun gun him! Stun gun him!"
0:17:30 > 0:17:31And then I heard it.
0:17:35 > 0:17:38My name being shouted at the top of that copper's voice.
0:17:46 > 0:17:49And that's when they got there and shot him.
0:17:52 > 0:17:55INTENSIFYING WHITE NOISE
0:17:59 > 0:18:02We get in the car. Curtis drove.
0:18:02 > 0:18:03Not too fast, not too slow.
0:18:03 > 0:18:07About half a mile ahead, at the junction of Warrington Way,
0:18:07 > 0:18:08we saw Clyde and picked him up.
0:18:08 > 0:18:12He'd went on ahead, but he'd lost track of the car
0:18:12 > 0:18:13and then he heard the shots.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17We stripped off the hoodies and the balaclavas
0:18:17 > 0:18:18and joined the stream of traffic.
0:18:19 > 0:18:21Nobody said much.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24Well, nobody said anything.
0:18:26 > 0:18:28The gun went in the canal near the Sun Inn.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31The car went into the crusher and we went our separate ways.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36We knew they were coming. We knew they'd have us.
0:18:36 > 0:18:39Burnt the clothes and bags and that, and scrubbed ourselves raw
0:18:39 > 0:18:41and just more or less waited for a knock at the door.
0:18:58 > 0:19:02See, the rings are full of ice, big particles of ice and other debris,
0:19:02 > 0:19:05and they collide and they bind together and if they don't smash
0:19:05 > 0:19:08into anything bigger, then they grow, the way a snowball grows,
0:19:08 > 0:19:10and you get a moonlet, like a baby moon,
0:19:10 > 0:19:12like, they incubate in the rings.
0:19:12 > 0:19:15And when, when you get a moon, you get a gap in the rings,
0:19:15 > 0:19:16like an empty ring,
0:19:16 > 0:19:20because everything that was in the ring ends up in the moon.
0:19:22 > 0:19:24It blows your mind.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30If you don't have a brother, then you can't judge.
0:19:30 > 0:19:33'A brother needs looking after.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36'If you haven't, then you don't know what you would do.'
0:19:43 > 0:19:45'He always wanted to be a police officer.
0:19:47 > 0:19:48'Mum told me that, not him.
0:19:51 > 0:19:52'Anyway, it's that kind of job.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56'"The Job".
0:19:56 > 0:19:59'That's what he always called it, like it's the only one.'
0:20:01 > 0:20:03I'm the same. It's something I've aimed for,
0:20:03 > 0:20:05something I've always wanted to do.
0:20:07 > 0:20:09Probably, I can't do it now,
0:20:09 > 0:20:12but it's something I would've really liked to have done.
0:20:33 > 0:20:34DOOR SLAMS
0:20:36 > 0:20:38FOOTSTEPS
0:20:41 > 0:20:42Who comes out of that door?
0:20:44 > 0:20:47Who ever comes out of that door?
0:20:47 > 0:20:49'No-one ever comes out of that door.'
0:20:49 > 0:20:50'So, why is he dead?'
0:20:50 > 0:20:53If the bath doesn't flood, he lives.
0:20:53 > 0:20:57The woman Mum works with comes in anyway, he lives.
0:20:57 > 0:21:00How can you legislate for that? You can't legislate for that.
0:21:00 > 0:21:04Mum's boss doesn't say that about him not seeing enough of me,
0:21:04 > 0:21:05so she calls someone else, he lives.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08He's working and he can't take me, he lives.
0:21:08 > 0:21:10If I had to do that all again,
0:21:10 > 0:21:13I'd do it exactly the same way and that wouldn't happen.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15Mum has a few words with him, even angry words,
0:21:15 > 0:21:17maybe especially angry words,
0:21:17 > 0:21:20so he was a few minutes late getting to my school, he lives.
0:21:20 > 0:21:21He lets me get changed at school,
0:21:21 > 0:21:24so we arrive at the pool five minutes later, he lives.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26That plan was good.
0:21:27 > 0:21:29It was the facts on the ground that didn't compute.
0:21:29 > 0:21:31I'd say Mum would love to have him back
0:21:31 > 0:21:33and we'd turn the car around and go and find her
0:21:33 > 0:21:37and he says sorry for every fucking thing he's ever done, he lives.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39Who could legislate for that?
0:21:39 > 0:21:42For an off-duty cop just to pop up there and then?
0:21:42 > 0:21:43Who could?
0:21:43 > 0:21:46'He parks in the far side of the car park, like I asked him to
0:21:46 > 0:21:47'and not round the back,'
0:21:47 > 0:21:50so he doesn't have to go back to the car, he lives.
0:21:50 > 0:21:53He lives, he lives, he lives.
0:21:58 > 0:22:01But me saying I wanted to go in wearing my swimming costume...
0:22:04 > 0:22:05..he dies.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25There's a thing when you're wearing a mask.
0:22:26 > 0:22:27Everyone can see it.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31And you forget you've got it on.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33And when he shouted my name,
0:22:33 > 0:22:37I was stark naked in a spotlight in a snowfield.
0:22:39 > 0:22:41Before I knew what I was doing...
0:22:42 > 0:22:44..there was the gun.
0:22:50 > 0:22:53But Prescott knew me, and I couldn't have that.
0:22:53 > 0:22:56You could see it on the CCTV. Curtis tried to stop me.
0:23:02 > 0:23:05So, why is he dead when the odds are eight to one against it?
0:23:07 > 0:23:09Because of me.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14I could see Psych's mind working, just thinking,
0:23:14 > 0:23:17"Fuck. It WAS her fault."
0:23:20 > 0:23:22Talk your way out of that one, bitch.
0:23:42 > 0:23:46There's a moon being born out there and it doesn't give a shit
0:23:46 > 0:23:49about who tells the truth, and it doesn't give a shit
0:23:49 > 0:23:51about anything that happens down here and anything you've done
0:23:51 > 0:23:54or haven't done or anything people say you're going to do,
0:23:54 > 0:23:56anyone's mental health or anyone's disclosure,
0:23:56 > 0:23:57the life of Stuart Prescott,
0:23:57 > 0:23:59the life of Stuart Prescott's daughter...
0:24:01 > 0:24:02..the life of Curtis Kodro?
0:24:02 > 0:24:03HE SNORTS
0:24:03 > 0:24:05Oblivious is what it is.
0:24:31 > 0:24:33See...
0:24:33 > 0:24:37my brother still likes me to think he killed PC Prescott.
0:24:37 > 0:24:39He likes me to think he did it for me.
0:24:39 > 0:24:41But it's not the truth.
0:24:41 > 0:24:45'Put Curtis Kodro in the equation and you are fucked, my boy.
0:24:45 > 0:24:46'The rest is by the by.
0:24:46 > 0:24:49'All of us, fucked, for all time.
0:24:51 > 0:24:53'Grief magnet.'
0:24:56 > 0:24:58- MAN ON RECORDING:- 'I don't think you shot him, Clyde.
0:24:58 > 0:25:00'I think Curtis Kodro did.
0:25:00 > 0:25:03'That's the sort of thing Curtis Kodro likes to do.'
0:25:09 > 0:25:11The first direct question Curtis asked me
0:25:11 > 0:25:13in the Wakefield nick was...
0:25:13 > 0:25:15"How long does it take you to grow your beard?"
0:25:15 > 0:25:17HE CHUCKLES
0:25:17 > 0:25:21I was in the queue for the mail, he was coming out of the library.
0:25:22 > 0:25:25You know, I had a couple of inches on it.
0:25:25 > 0:25:27I wasn't shaving until I got out.
0:25:27 > 0:25:30And he was one of those young lads, you know, he's in his early 20s,
0:25:30 > 0:25:33probably shaves once a week, if even that, you know?
0:25:33 > 0:25:35I looked at him and I said, "This thing?
0:25:35 > 0:25:37"This is three months, big lad.
0:25:37 > 0:25:40"Each one of those bristles have been coaxed out individually."
0:25:40 > 0:25:42It took him a wee while to work out
0:25:42 > 0:25:44whether I was joking or not, you know?
0:25:44 > 0:25:47I don't think he was used to much levity in those days.
0:25:47 > 0:25:49He says, "Are you expecting a letter?"
0:25:49 > 0:25:51I says, "Aye, the missus, she writes once a week.
0:25:51 > 0:25:53"What about you?" He says, "Three months.
0:25:53 > 0:25:55"That's some going for a beard like that."
0:25:55 > 0:25:57I said, "What book are you getting out?"
0:25:58 > 0:26:00It was some book on business, you know?
0:26:00 > 0:26:02How to set up on your own and make a go of it.
0:26:03 > 0:26:05I liked the kid, you know?
0:26:05 > 0:26:08I thought, "He's been in here nearly eight years and he's trying
0:26:08 > 0:26:11"to work out what he's going to do when he's on the out.
0:26:12 > 0:26:13"I could use a guy like that."
0:26:15 > 0:26:18I said, "Maybe you want to think about maybe setting yourself up
0:26:18 > 0:26:20"with a nice little nest egg when you get out, you know?
0:26:20 > 0:26:22"Tide you over those first tricky months."
0:26:23 > 0:26:26He looked at me.
0:26:26 > 0:26:27There was real scrutiny in that look.
0:26:29 > 0:26:30No hiding it.
0:26:31 > 0:26:32He said, "I'm going straight."
0:26:34 > 0:26:35HE SCOFFS
0:26:35 > 0:26:37I says, "With what in your pocket?"
0:26:39 > 0:26:43My uncle used to say I was like fat in a pan - sizzle and spit.
0:26:43 > 0:26:46Couldn't settle, not for anything. School, relationships, nothing.
0:26:46 > 0:26:49I was the sort of kid who just used to do stupid shit to get noticed,
0:26:49 > 0:26:51you know what I mean?
0:26:51 > 0:26:54Reckless endangerment, climbing shit, breaking and entering,
0:26:54 > 0:26:57giving lip to people who'd hit you for it,
0:26:57 > 0:26:59fighting people bigger than me. That's what I was good at.
0:26:59 > 0:27:01Well, not good at. Keen on. Fat in a pan.
0:27:01 > 0:27:04'He shouldn't have been with us at all.'
0:27:04 > 0:27:06His release date from Wakefield
0:27:06 > 0:27:08was a month before mine and he comes to us
0:27:08 > 0:27:11just before he gets out and says, "There's been a change of plan."
0:27:11 > 0:27:15I'd never seen him so up. He said, things have changed
0:27:15 > 0:27:17and he no longer wants to be part of the job.
0:27:17 > 0:27:19That's what he said, "Things have changed".
0:27:19 > 0:27:23I said, "What, you don't want to be rich?"
0:27:23 > 0:27:25But he wasn't having it.
0:27:25 > 0:27:27I couldn't believe it.
0:27:27 > 0:27:29He was walking away after all we'd planned.
0:27:33 > 0:27:36There was this girl he used to talk about.
0:27:36 > 0:27:38Nicole.
0:27:38 > 0:27:40Yeah, Nicole used to come to the catch-up class.
0:27:40 > 0:27:42She was a volunteer reader, she...
0:27:42 > 0:27:45She was 19 and looked younger, I was 17 and looked older.
0:27:45 > 0:27:48Look, the way I was brought up,
0:27:48 > 0:27:50I was chasing after me parents.
0:27:50 > 0:27:53I was grabbing onto their shadows bloody night and day.
0:27:53 > 0:27:56I didn't have any time for friends. I didn't trust people.
0:27:56 > 0:27:59Probably Whitmore's the only one I ever did trust.
0:27:59 > 0:28:01But when I did...
0:28:04 > 0:28:06Me and her had this back and forth going on
0:28:06 > 0:28:09cos she was a uni girl, I took the piss that she was... "Hoity-toity",
0:28:09 > 0:28:11that was the expression she used.
0:28:11 > 0:28:14That made me laugh. Oh, my Lord, the way she said that,
0:28:14 > 0:28:15"hoity-toity" - it was funny.
0:28:15 > 0:28:17She was "hoity-toity" and I was "street".
0:28:17 > 0:28:20Even the way she said that made me laugh. "Street".
0:28:20 > 0:28:23She was from a farm. Family had a hill farm up in Cumbria.
0:28:23 > 0:28:25There weren't no streets up there, only hills.
0:28:25 > 0:28:27HE CHUCKLES
0:28:27 > 0:28:30She said to me - people like me weren't allowed there.
0:28:30 > 0:28:32She said they'd have to put a street in especially,
0:28:32 > 0:28:34if I was ever to go up there or any of me family.
0:28:34 > 0:28:35She was funny, man, she made me laugh.
0:28:35 > 0:28:38We just used to sit and read and we'd have this repartee
0:28:38 > 0:28:39and just make each other laugh.
0:28:40 > 0:28:42I got her to talk about it - the farm.
0:28:42 > 0:28:45That place sounded like paradise to me.
0:28:45 > 0:28:48I'd be reading to her or talking to her and...
0:28:50 > 0:28:52..I'd settle.
0:28:52 > 0:28:54No, literally.
0:28:54 > 0:28:57I'd feel all the molecules inside my body just come to rest.
0:29:02 > 0:29:04There was this day at school, she was cold
0:29:04 > 0:29:07and she had this short-sleeved top on and she was rubbing the top
0:29:07 > 0:29:09of her arms and I had me hoodie on and I pulled it off
0:29:09 > 0:29:11and gave it to her and said, "Here you are."
0:29:11 > 0:29:13And she, like, put it on and she...
0:29:15 > 0:29:16Just for a minute...
0:29:18 > 0:29:19She, like, just leant into me.
0:29:19 > 0:29:22And she was sitting right next to me. You know that thing?
0:29:22 > 0:29:25You know that thing that girls do when they're cold
0:29:25 > 0:29:28and they grab onto you with both the hands and sort of lean into you
0:29:28 > 0:29:31and do a shiver and put their chin on your shoulder?
0:29:31 > 0:29:33She did that.
0:29:33 > 0:29:36It was done and over in a second but...
0:29:37 > 0:29:39See, at the end of the class when it had finished...?
0:29:39 > 0:29:42She sort of made out like she forgot she had me hoodie on
0:29:42 > 0:29:44and she went walking off and I was like, "Yo!"
0:29:44 > 0:29:46HE CHUCKLES
0:29:51 > 0:29:53When I put that hoodie on...it smelt of her.
0:30:07 > 0:30:11See, I got dispensation to follow Saturn online,
0:30:11 > 0:30:14but that's not all I followed.
0:30:14 > 0:30:16I followed Curtis Kodro's colourful past.
0:30:16 > 0:30:19My brother, the great judge of character -
0:30:19 > 0:30:21I said, "You knew that, did you?"
0:30:21 > 0:30:24And he gave me that look like, "Do I really need to spell out what
0:30:24 > 0:30:25"I know to you?"
0:30:25 > 0:30:28For 30-odd years, I took that to mean, "You're too slow, Clyde.
0:30:28 > 0:30:31"I'm way ahead of you."
0:30:31 > 0:30:33Lately, I'm starting to think - "You know what, Clyde?
0:30:33 > 0:30:35"You took too much on trust."
0:30:41 > 0:30:44And then she wanted to see the real Nottingham.
0:30:44 > 0:30:47I said I'd come round to hers and we'd go out, but, no,
0:30:47 > 0:30:49she was bored of the places uni students went.
0:30:49 > 0:30:51She'd come round to mine - but I was living out of
0:30:51 > 0:30:55- somebody's car at the time, so that weren't going to happen. - HE SCOFFS
0:30:55 > 0:30:58I had no fucking idea what the real Nottingham was any more than she did.
0:30:58 > 0:31:00And then I saw it.
0:31:00 > 0:31:03My life's a documentary for this girl.
0:31:03 > 0:31:05I'm an exhibit - fat in the pan.
0:31:05 > 0:31:07There was this place near where I grew up,
0:31:07 > 0:31:11where you could see enough kids sniffing glue - so I thought,
0:31:11 > 0:31:14"That'll make a good start." So, I roped me half-brother in.
0:31:14 > 0:31:16Met her off the bus, it must've been about eight o'clock.
0:31:16 > 0:31:18It was just getting dark.
0:31:19 > 0:31:22Anyway, we sat on this bench, right, drinking this vodka.
0:31:22 > 0:31:24I was watching all the kids staggering about in the dark
0:31:24 > 0:31:26with their faces in these plastic bags!
0:31:26 > 0:31:29- HE LAUGHS - We were laughing, man. Mossy was.
0:31:31 > 0:31:34You could tell she was out of her depth, though.
0:31:34 > 0:31:37Then Mossy asked Nicole if she'd ever done it with two blokes.
0:31:37 > 0:31:38She just kind of stood up,
0:31:38 > 0:31:41looked like she was going to maybe start crying or something.
0:31:41 > 0:31:43I just told him to shut the fuck up.
0:31:43 > 0:31:46Then this commotion started up on the park cos some kid
0:31:46 > 0:31:48supposedly started having a fit
0:31:48 > 0:31:51and was, like, jerking about in all this broken glass under the swings.
0:31:51 > 0:31:54And then, all his crackhead, junkie mates started crowding round
0:31:54 > 0:31:56and laughing at him and I just lost it and went up
0:31:56 > 0:31:59and started shouting at them all just to fuck off home.
0:31:59 > 0:32:00There was this one kid, Florian.
0:32:00 > 0:32:02He was bigger than all the others.
0:32:02 > 0:32:04I thought he was probably about me own age,
0:32:04 > 0:32:05but turns out he was younger.
0:32:06 > 0:32:09He stood up, smacked me with the swing.
0:32:09 > 0:32:11With the wooden seat of the swing on its chains,
0:32:11 > 0:32:14right round the back of me head. And I just went down.
0:32:14 > 0:32:17When I got up - he was swinging it at me again,
0:32:17 > 0:32:20he broke me cheekbone, and two teeth, and I just lost it.
0:32:20 > 0:32:22He was, like, pegging it across the field, like, in the dark,
0:32:22 > 0:32:25laughing at me, and I just pulled me knife and went after him.
0:32:25 > 0:32:27When he tried to get out of the railings...
0:32:27 > 0:32:30he sort of slipped back.
0:32:30 > 0:32:32One of the spikes on the top of the railings
0:32:32 > 0:32:36just went right up through the back of his jacket...and he was just
0:32:36 > 0:32:39sort of hanging there like that, like a fish on hook.
0:32:39 > 0:32:42It was a while until I remembered Nicole was even there.
0:32:42 > 0:32:45I thought about the way she looked at me when she said,
0:32:45 > 0:32:48"Give me the knife." You know what I mean? She was...
0:32:48 > 0:32:49Wasn't raving like everyone else.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51She was trying not to look at Florian who was,
0:32:51 > 0:32:54like, wailing - blood everywhere, flapping about.
0:32:54 > 0:32:56She was, like, looking straight at me.
0:33:01 > 0:33:03And it still comes back to me.
0:33:15 > 0:33:17And her eyes were right in mine.
0:33:29 > 0:33:31She'd been ignoring his letters for years.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35Been writing to her and getting nothing back...
0:33:36 > 0:33:38..and then she got in touch.
0:33:43 > 0:33:45Deep down inside, I was glad for him.
0:33:45 > 0:33:48He had fucked my plans but I was glad for him.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50He was going straight.
0:33:50 > 0:33:52He was going up the hills, he said.
0:33:52 > 0:33:56And I thought Nicole would meet me at the bus station, but she didn't.
0:33:56 > 0:33:59And all the way up on that bus, I'd been working out what
0:33:59 > 0:34:02I was saying, do you know what I mean?
0:34:02 > 0:34:04The first few lines, just to break the ice.
0:34:04 > 0:34:06But standing there, I didn't even know any more.
0:34:06 > 0:34:08I wanted to restart my life.
0:34:10 > 0:34:12I wanted her to restart my life. What did I know?
0:34:14 > 0:34:18Got some flowers. There was a stall near where the taxis were.
0:34:18 > 0:34:20I was thinking that maybe she's still going to turn up.
0:34:20 > 0:34:22I was just killing time.
0:34:22 > 0:34:25But this taxi driver saw me standing there with these flowers and...
0:34:26 > 0:34:28He goes, "Are you hoping to get lucky, mate?"
0:34:28 > 0:34:30And I said, "No, that WOULD be pushing it."
0:34:30 > 0:34:34He said something like, "Still, they put a spring in your step," or something like that.
0:34:34 > 0:34:37And suddenly, everything was just going to be all right.
0:34:37 > 0:34:39I told him the name of the farm and...
0:34:41 > 0:34:43..just saying it out loud after all that time,
0:34:43 > 0:34:44just made me feel like coming home.
0:34:46 > 0:34:49He tells us, "Come on then, Starsky, Let's get out of here."
0:34:49 > 0:34:52And I threw the flowers in the back, jumped in, and we just pulled off.
0:34:52 > 0:34:55We both did laugh, it was just one of them moments, you know what I mean?
0:34:55 > 0:34:57RADIO CHATTER
0:34:57 > 0:34:59Tell you what, when we got out up into those hills
0:34:59 > 0:35:02it was just like what she'd told me - not a street anywhere.
0:35:02 > 0:35:05I had her letter and I was reading it again.
0:35:05 > 0:35:08Cab man was listening to all the talk on his radio.
0:35:11 > 0:35:14I thought it was other drivers or dispatch, I weren't listening.
0:35:19 > 0:35:20He looked at me.
0:35:22 > 0:35:24And do you know what?
0:35:24 > 0:35:27In the end, he said it was the police.
0:35:27 > 0:35:30And he said, "They're waiting for you, you know that, do you?
0:35:30 > 0:35:31"At the farm."
0:35:33 > 0:35:35HE SCOFFS
0:35:35 > 0:35:36Yeah, she told them I was coming.
0:35:39 > 0:35:41It broke the terms of me parole if I went there,
0:35:41 > 0:35:43I'd end up back in prison.
0:35:43 > 0:35:45She set me up.
0:35:45 > 0:35:46HE CLEARS THROAT
0:35:47 > 0:35:49Cab man turned the radio off.
0:35:51 > 0:35:53He was giving me time to think.
0:35:53 > 0:35:56Yeah, it was the end of the road -
0:35:56 > 0:35:57I suppose he could see that.
0:35:57 > 0:35:59Someone like me weren't meant to be up there.
0:36:00 > 0:36:03And I got back on the bus. It was the same bus.
0:36:03 > 0:36:05HE SCOFFS
0:36:05 > 0:36:08He was knocking on my door the first day I got out,
0:36:08 > 0:36:09wanting back on the job.
0:36:09 > 0:36:12Suddenly, it was our job again. "We" this, "We" that.
0:36:12 > 0:36:14He'd let me down, he'd make it up to me,
0:36:14 > 0:36:16he was sorry about what happened.
0:36:16 > 0:36:18I'd seen it before when fellows go straight -
0:36:18 > 0:36:20the sheer terror of it in their eyes.
0:36:20 > 0:36:22I stood Clyde down,
0:36:22 > 0:36:24told him I didn't need him.
0:36:24 > 0:36:25I'd twisted his arm the first time,
0:36:25 > 0:36:28so I thought he'd be happy about it, you know?
0:36:28 > 0:36:30His missus was just about to have a kid, wee Megan.
0:36:30 > 0:36:33So, he was all aglow about that, so I thought he'd be happy.
0:36:33 > 0:36:36'But he didn't want to lose face in front of Curtis.'
0:36:36 > 0:36:39Curtis this, Curtis that, Curtis the other!
0:36:39 > 0:36:41So, I just thought,
0:36:41 > 0:36:44"Why not all for one, one for all?
0:36:44 > 0:36:45"Man hugs all round."
0:36:48 > 0:36:50I disgraced meself that day.
0:36:50 > 0:36:52I'm not proud of what I did with the stun gun.
0:36:52 > 0:36:54I'm not proud of running away.
0:36:55 > 0:36:57Whitmore says we're all brothers?
0:36:57 > 0:36:59Not just me and him.
0:36:59 > 0:37:01Curtis Kodro, too.
0:37:01 > 0:37:04Never work with brothers. Never work with brothers.
0:37:06 > 0:37:08Yeah, he talked a lot about Clyde, Whitmore did,
0:37:08 > 0:37:11when we were in Wakefield together making plans.
0:37:11 > 0:37:12I'd be going on about Nicole
0:37:12 > 0:37:14and he'd be going on about Clyde, not his wife.
0:37:14 > 0:37:16But when I met Clyde, I didn't...
0:37:16 > 0:37:18I didn't think he lived up to all that.
0:37:18 > 0:37:20I thought he was a right arsehole.
0:37:20 > 0:37:22I didn't know what all the fuss was about, but, on the day,
0:37:22 > 0:37:24oh, my God, Christ Almighty, me!
0:37:30 > 0:37:33I could feel Clyde shrivel up every time they showed the CCTV footage.
0:37:33 > 0:37:36And they showed a lot of it in that courtroom.
0:37:38 > 0:37:41They tried over and over again to drag an ounce of meaning
0:37:41 > 0:37:42out of it - and they failed.
0:37:43 > 0:37:47The cops said that they knew what was going on.
0:37:47 > 0:37:50They reckoned that the guy with the stun gun at the robbery was Clyde,
0:37:50 > 0:37:51because of what one of the witnesses said.
0:37:53 > 0:37:56They knew that Clyde was bigger than me and Curtis.
0:37:56 > 0:37:58Not taller, bigger.
0:37:59 > 0:38:01But I already thought of that -
0:38:01 > 0:38:03so me and Curtis bulked up
0:38:03 > 0:38:05so we all looked exactly the same.
0:38:08 > 0:38:10So, just cos they said
0:38:10 > 0:38:12the shooter was a bigger man -
0:38:12 > 0:38:14doesn't mean anything.
0:38:15 > 0:38:17And anyway...
0:38:17 > 0:38:20the shooter and one other guy were the only two people
0:38:20 > 0:38:23in the CCTV footage when the shots were fired.
0:38:24 > 0:38:26So, there is no comparison.
0:38:26 > 0:38:29'Whitmore didn't have the gun.'
0:38:29 > 0:38:31That gun was in Curtis's bag and when they caught me up,
0:38:31 > 0:38:32Curtis was saying sorry.
0:38:32 > 0:38:35Sorry, while he was driving, and Whitmore was saying nothing,
0:38:35 > 0:38:37knowing full well that Curtis Kodro
0:38:37 > 0:38:40had fucked us all up for all eternity, and he'd brought him in.
0:38:41 > 0:38:45See, there's a disturbance around Curtis,
0:38:45 > 0:38:46simple as that.
0:38:46 > 0:38:48You can see it on the CCTV.
0:38:48 > 0:38:51When we were in court, I knew every frame of it.
0:38:51 > 0:38:54The more you try and get from it, the less you get.
0:38:54 > 0:38:56But then you sit back and something's staring you in the face.
0:38:56 > 0:38:58Something you've been trying to ignore.
0:38:58 > 0:39:00Something perturbing the fucking particles around it.
0:39:00 > 0:39:02Curtis Kodro - jinx.
0:39:02 > 0:39:05Never work with brothers. Never work with brothers. Brothers are like...
0:39:07 > 0:39:09Sisters would be better, even.
0:39:09 > 0:39:11Brothers are like...
0:39:12 > 0:39:14When they grow up together,
0:39:14 > 0:39:17they come from the same uterus, they're made from the same clay,
0:39:17 > 0:39:19same atoms, the same eggs and sperms. They don't need to talk.
0:39:20 > 0:39:22I'm not talking about twins, just brothers.
0:39:22 > 0:39:24Brothers are deep, mate.
0:39:24 > 0:39:27I could tell that from the off - and every year since.
0:39:27 > 0:39:28It's been coming.
0:39:29 > 0:39:30Grief magnet.
0:39:32 > 0:39:34There's an aura around him
0:39:34 > 0:39:37and it draws bad stuff in and it drew us in - me and me brother.
0:39:37 > 0:39:39Here's Clyde and here's Whitmore.
0:39:39 > 0:39:41He wants me dead and he doesn't.
0:39:44 > 0:39:47Or maybe he doesn't. He says he doesn't. He used to say he doesn't.
0:39:47 > 0:39:49And he's the boss - so Clyde's supposed to do
0:39:49 > 0:39:50exactly what he tells him,
0:39:50 > 0:39:53so it should be simple but they're brothers, so it isn't!
0:39:53 > 0:39:57But that counsellor. She thinks it is. Simple question, simple answer.
0:39:57 > 0:40:00That's what she thinks.
0:40:00 > 0:40:03Clyde calls me up and says, "Let's give them Curtis."
0:40:03 > 0:40:06I says, "It wasn't Curtis that shot him, though, was it?"
0:40:06 > 0:40:08Then Whitmore couldn't get the car torched.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10And Prescott was walking up to his car,
0:40:10 > 0:40:13so it was only a matter of time until he saw us.
0:40:13 > 0:40:15The car went up, Prescott saw us.
0:40:15 > 0:40:17And the flames just threw us back.
0:40:18 > 0:40:21Whitmore was shouting, "Stun him! Stun him!"
0:40:21 > 0:40:24So, I went in the bag for the stun gun.
0:40:24 > 0:40:27I couldn't find the stun gun. I pulled out the gun.
0:40:27 > 0:40:30We had £10,000 in cash and foreign currency,
0:40:30 > 0:40:33we had Rolex watches worth five grand apiece. We had...
0:40:35 > 0:40:37..50 grand in them three bags.
0:40:37 > 0:40:39We had everything Whitmore promised.
0:40:41 > 0:40:43Then we had nothing.
0:40:46 > 0:40:48And then, we had nothing.
0:40:48 > 0:40:52Went round in a big, fat circle from nothing to nothing.
0:40:53 > 0:40:56I looked at the gun in me hand, pointed it at Prescott...
0:40:58 > 0:41:00He stopped, started backing off.
0:41:00 > 0:41:01There's power in that.
0:41:03 > 0:41:05I can see him squirm now, like he's right in front of me.
0:41:06 > 0:41:08Him, just internally, inside himself.
0:41:10 > 0:41:12When he saw that gun in my hand...
0:41:15 > 0:41:16Yeah...
0:41:17 > 0:41:20I saw his face do something a face shouldn't do.
0:41:23 > 0:41:25His dignity escaped - I did that.
0:41:25 > 0:41:27SCORE BUILDS
0:41:27 > 0:41:29And I thought, "You're better off dead, now, mate.
0:41:29 > 0:41:32"You'll not be able to live with yourself after this one.
0:41:32 > 0:41:34"I'm doing you a favour."
0:41:34 > 0:41:36SCORE BUILDS
0:41:36 > 0:41:37And I squeezed the trigger.
0:41:43 > 0:41:45GUNSHOT
0:42:40 > 0:42:41"You didn't do it.
0:42:43 > 0:42:45"I think you know that, but you did something.
0:42:46 > 0:42:48"So, why don't we talk about that?
0:42:50 > 0:42:54"You were cross with yourself for asking him about Lisette.
0:42:54 > 0:42:55"Who's Lisette?"
0:42:58 > 0:43:01"You're not asking what they pay me for now, are you?" she said.
0:43:14 > 0:43:17It's not like at night you can see Saturn with the naked eye
0:43:17 > 0:43:19or even with a telescope.
0:43:19 > 0:43:20It's not that.
0:43:20 > 0:43:23But, at night, you can sense it,
0:43:23 > 0:43:25when the rest of the animals in here have shut the fuck up
0:43:25 > 0:43:28and the place goes quiet, like properly quiet,
0:43:28 > 0:43:31you can kind of commune with the universe,
0:43:31 > 0:43:33you've got to reach out with your mind.
0:43:37 > 0:43:40They would've called it the music of the spheres, one time,
0:43:40 > 0:43:42the governor told me.
0:43:42 > 0:43:43Yeah?
0:43:43 > 0:43:45See, that music speaks to me,
0:43:45 > 0:43:47yeah, and it tells me the waiting's over.
0:43:50 > 0:43:51Over for me.
0:43:51 > 0:43:53Over for Curtis Kodro.
0:44:08 > 0:44:10He didn't think I knew about Lisette,
0:44:10 > 0:44:12but, of course, I fucking knew about her.
0:44:14 > 0:44:17She was actually somebody he supposedly arrested...
0:44:17 > 0:44:19for shoplifting.
0:44:19 > 0:44:21I didn't know that then. I found that out after.
0:44:21 > 0:44:24Mum told me. It's true, though, I checked.
0:44:25 > 0:44:28Mum said she was a whore and he was a cradle snatcher.
0:44:30 > 0:44:33She wasn't a kid - she was, like, 18 or something.
0:44:34 > 0:44:36Of course I knew about her.
0:44:37 > 0:44:41He said, "Lisette? That was over before it even started."
0:44:42 > 0:44:46That's why he was angry - because I wasn't supposed to know about her.
0:44:46 > 0:44:48And I asked about her - because it was obvious Mum had told me,
0:44:48 > 0:44:51even though I wasn't supposed to know.
0:44:51 > 0:44:53That's why he didn't let me do what I wanted,
0:44:53 > 0:44:55that's why he parked round the back, and that's why he's dead.
0:44:55 > 0:44:58Happy now? It's still my fault.
0:44:58 > 0:44:59So, nice try, but fuck you.
0:45:05 > 0:45:07It's Clyde that keeps me awake at night.
0:45:12 > 0:45:15Sounds like bullshit - but I take pride in my work.
0:45:17 > 0:45:20Not one person was ever injured, not even slightly,
0:45:20 > 0:45:22in all my years of breaking the law.
0:45:24 > 0:45:26And then, I get my brother involved.
0:45:28 > 0:45:30He wasn't made for this, like none of us are.
0:45:32 > 0:45:35But this is eating him up from the inside.
0:45:35 > 0:45:37This is turning his mind.
0:45:43 > 0:45:46SCORE STOPS
0:45:46 > 0:45:48So... What?
0:45:50 > 0:45:53I, like, have a quiet word with a trusted member of staff
0:45:53 > 0:45:56and get him put back into isolation again?
0:45:57 > 0:45:59That would just kill him.
0:46:00 > 0:46:02That would just finish him.
0:46:06 > 0:46:08And what does that say to him?
0:46:10 > 0:46:11What does that say to where he...
0:46:11 > 0:46:15where he stands or where Curtis stands?
0:46:17 > 0:46:19Who's got whose hand up whose backside, like?
0:46:19 > 0:46:22Who's working whose mouth with whose fingers, eh?
0:46:22 > 0:46:25Like, who's the old moon and who's the new?
0:46:29 > 0:46:33See, he'd always known what my life was...
0:46:34 > 0:46:36..and he always kept a distance from it.
0:46:38 > 0:46:41Cos he... he wanted kids, he wanted a wife.
0:46:46 > 0:46:48And, yes, a man's dead...
0:46:51 > 0:46:52..but I look at Clyde...
0:46:54 > 0:46:56..and I see something else is dying, too.
0:47:06 > 0:47:10Listen. Listen.
0:47:13 > 0:47:15It's me that's doing it to him.
0:47:18 > 0:47:19SCORE STOPS
0:47:27 > 0:47:31There's lies you tell by speaking and lies you tell by not.
0:47:33 > 0:47:37I was starting to think this woman's like a witch or something,
0:47:37 > 0:47:38like, she can read minds.
0:47:40 > 0:47:43"Do you ever talk to him?" she said. "Your dad."
0:47:45 > 0:47:47I said, "He's dead. Have you been listening?"
0:47:49 > 0:47:51"OK," she said.
0:47:51 > 0:47:53"I'll be here tomorrow if you want to hear how I get on."
0:47:53 > 0:47:57And she got up. And because she stood up, I sort of had to, too.
0:47:57 > 0:47:59I said, "I'm getting out of here at nine."
0:47:59 > 0:48:03She said, "I'll be here at midday, if you want to hear how I get on."
0:48:15 > 0:48:17I went then and she called after me.
0:48:19 > 0:48:22"My dad's dead, too. I still talk to him.
0:48:24 > 0:48:26"You want to try it sometime."
0:48:31 > 0:48:33ALARM BLARES
0:48:44 > 0:48:48I'm that moon, that, that new moon on Saturn.
0:48:48 > 0:48:49I'm the moon...
0:48:51 > 0:48:52..and Curtis...
0:48:54 > 0:48:55Curtis is the gap in the rings
0:48:55 > 0:48:58and everything that was him is coming into me.
0:49:01 > 0:49:03Isn't it, Whitmore?
0:49:04 > 0:49:06It's time.
0:49:18 > 0:49:20My favourite photo.
0:49:20 > 0:49:22That's where I start when I want to remember him.
0:49:24 > 0:49:27I was seven. His arms around me and we're both laughing
0:49:27 > 0:49:30at something Mum's saying as she's taking it.
0:49:31 > 0:49:34I actually stop Lee ever putting his arm around me from that side,
0:49:34 > 0:49:38so he'd be the only one that had ever done it, so the memory's clear.
0:49:38 > 0:49:43His arm around me and his hand pulling my head onto his.
0:49:43 > 0:49:45That starts off the realness of it.
0:49:46 > 0:49:48I think of the fingers of his hand.
0:49:48 > 0:49:51The palm of his hand's right on my ear
0:49:51 > 0:49:54and his fingers are on top of my head, holding me close.
0:49:56 > 0:49:57Because, if I'm honest,
0:49:57 > 0:49:59I started getting mixed up between him and Lee.
0:49:59 > 0:50:02Sometimes when I wasn't concentrating and I had a memory
0:50:02 > 0:50:04and then I'd think, "No, wait up, that wasn't Lee.
0:50:04 > 0:50:07"That must've been him. It must've been Dad."
0:50:13 > 0:50:16If I start with his hand right here...
0:50:18 > 0:50:20..then I can bring the rest of him alive...
0:50:23 > 0:50:24Reanimate him.
0:50:37 > 0:50:39DOOR OPENS
0:50:46 > 0:50:50"Right outside that gate, you'll have a decision to make," she said.
0:50:50 > 0:50:52"Turn left and wait for the 97 bus
0:50:52 > 0:50:55"and it'll take you back into town
0:50:55 > 0:50:58"and you can pick right up where you left off.
0:50:58 > 0:50:59"Or you can turn right.
0:51:00 > 0:51:02"Do you know what there is that way?
0:51:03 > 0:51:05"The new you."
0:51:13 > 0:51:15I can't be that man any more, a man that keeps a lid on.
0:51:17 > 0:51:18Not for Clyde
0:51:18 > 0:51:20or for the truth,
0:51:20 > 0:51:22not for any of it.
0:51:24 > 0:51:27And he knows I lied to him about killing Prescott.
0:51:27 > 0:51:29It wasn't for him at all.
0:51:29 > 0:51:31And Prescott...
0:51:31 > 0:51:33Prescott never shouted our name.
0:51:33 > 0:51:34How could he?
0:51:38 > 0:51:41Maybe... Maybe for half a second, I thought he had - but...
0:51:41 > 0:51:43it wasn't that.
0:51:44 > 0:51:46It wasn't that at all.
0:51:47 > 0:51:48I pointed it at Prescott.
0:51:49 > 0:51:53He stopped, started backing off.
0:51:55 > 0:51:56And I squeezed the trigger.
0:51:58 > 0:52:00"Give me the gun, Curtis. Give me the gun."
0:52:04 > 0:52:05It was her in the end.
0:52:05 > 0:52:07It was Nicole.
0:52:07 > 0:52:10"Give me the gun, Curtis. Give me the gun."
0:52:10 > 0:52:12I could hear her, clear, calm.
0:52:13 > 0:52:16I should've gone to the farm, that's what she was saying.
0:52:16 > 0:52:18If I'd have gone to the farm like she told me,
0:52:18 > 0:52:20I wouldn't have been stood there with that gun in me hand.
0:52:20 > 0:52:23She saved me once before, stopped me killing Florian...
0:52:23 > 0:52:24Now she was trying again.
0:52:25 > 0:52:27She hadn't given up on me.
0:52:31 > 0:52:32I turned...
0:52:34 > 0:52:35I turned to run,
0:52:36 > 0:52:39..but then Whitmore reached out
0:52:39 > 0:52:40and took it off me...
0:52:40 > 0:52:42- HE SOBS - ..and he shot him.
0:52:51 > 0:52:54GUNSHOTS
0:52:54 > 0:52:55Nothing prepares you for that.
0:52:55 > 0:52:58Gunfire - it's the ultimate.
0:52:58 > 0:53:00It's the be-all and end-all. It's the end-all.
0:53:02 > 0:53:04Gunfire awakens you from the dream of reality and goes,
0:53:04 > 0:53:07"You think that's real? Fuck you! This is real!"
0:53:07 > 0:53:09And, oh, my Christ, is it loud!
0:53:18 > 0:53:20Ten years thinking about 30 seconds.
0:53:20 > 0:53:21Curtis dead,
0:53:21 > 0:53:23Prescott dead.
0:53:25 > 0:53:27He made me angry, that's all.
0:53:27 > 0:53:29He just made me angry.
0:53:30 > 0:53:32He got in the way.
0:53:33 > 0:53:34And without him -
0:53:34 > 0:53:36it was flawless.
0:53:54 > 0:53:56"They killed Curtis Kodro.
0:53:56 > 0:53:59"The brothers did, last night," Psych says.
0:53:59 > 0:54:01She came here to tell me.
0:54:02 > 0:54:04I said, "Killed him because he killed my dad
0:54:04 > 0:54:07"or killed him because he was going to tell you who did?"
0:54:08 > 0:54:09She didn't know.
0:54:09 > 0:54:11I said, "You built me up for that.
0:54:11 > 0:54:14"You said you'd find out. You promised."
0:54:14 > 0:54:16She said she was sorry, she'd done her best,
0:54:16 > 0:54:19she had work to catch up on, she had to go in.
0:54:26 > 0:54:27She touched my face.
0:54:29 > 0:54:30"Look after yourself."
0:54:33 > 0:54:34She had to go in.
0:54:37 > 0:54:39"One of them killed your dad," she said.
0:54:41 > 0:54:43"And one of them's dead because of it."
0:54:45 > 0:54:47I should've known.
0:54:47 > 0:54:50As soon as she got off that bus and looked at me and Mossy,
0:54:50 > 0:54:53I should've known, but I didn't have anyone to teach me that stuff.
0:54:53 > 0:54:56All she wanted was Woolaton Park or Goose Fair,
0:54:56 > 0:54:58that's the real Nottingham.
0:54:58 > 0:54:59That's all she meant.
0:54:59 > 0:55:01Just something I knew and she didn't -
0:55:01 > 0:55:03and we both would've felt good.
0:55:03 > 0:55:04It was no more than that.
0:55:07 > 0:55:08But that was too much to ask.
0:55:13 > 0:55:14'Dad...
0:55:16 > 0:55:18'Did you want to come back?
0:55:23 > 0:55:24'You had my towel.
0:55:24 > 0:55:26'You were carrying my towel
0:55:26 > 0:55:28'when we went in and I didn't take it off you.'
0:55:32 > 0:55:34'I came to the door and I saw the car on fire
0:55:34 > 0:55:36'and the ambulance was there.
0:55:36 > 0:55:39'And you were lying on the ground in a puddle.
0:55:39 > 0:55:40'The towel was there.
0:55:42 > 0:55:45'I was standing in the doorway, dripping,
0:55:45 > 0:55:48'and there was people all around you, but you looked all alone.'
0:55:49 > 0:55:51I'd got out the pool because I wanted to tell you
0:55:51 > 0:55:53about Mum and Lee.
0:55:53 > 0:55:56I wanted you to know that, but there you were on the ground,
0:55:56 > 0:55:58not knowing about Lee.
0:55:58 > 0:56:00There was a lot of bullshit later about how
0:56:00 > 0:56:02they hadn't got together until after.
0:56:02 > 0:56:04Grief brought them together,
0:56:04 > 0:56:06that's what they tell my half-sisters.
0:56:06 > 0:56:10We all went to the cinema weeks before you died - me, Mum and Lee -
0:56:10 > 0:56:12and I could tell then what it was.
0:56:14 > 0:56:16She'd have liked Goose Fair.
0:56:16 > 0:56:19I remember being up at Sammy's for butter chicken.
0:56:20 > 0:56:22When it come out, it should have been cold,
0:56:22 > 0:56:24because it's always cold when you come out a curry house.
0:56:26 > 0:56:28And I'd give my order
0:56:28 > 0:56:30and she'd have held on to me arm.
0:56:35 > 0:56:37And things would've been different.
0:56:44 > 0:56:46I wanted that towel.
0:56:46 > 0:56:47I wanted you to get up,
0:56:47 > 0:56:50pick it up off the ground, bring it over,
0:56:50 > 0:56:53and wrap it around me - but you couldn't.
0:56:56 > 0:56:59And I made a sort of vow that I wouldn't let them be happy...
0:57:00 > 0:57:01Mum and Lee...
0:57:01 > 0:57:04for you, because of you not knowing the truth,
0:57:04 > 0:57:06because of me not telling you.
0:57:08 > 0:57:10Not a vow, exactly,
0:57:10 > 0:57:13not one I said out loud or even in my head,
0:57:13 > 0:57:15just a sort of deal...
0:57:16 > 0:57:18..with you.
0:57:38 > 0:57:41SCORE BUILDS