0:00:24 > 0:00:27Fintan MacEntee? Detective Superintendent Pullman.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30Jack Halford. Interesting choice of venue.
0:00:30 > 0:00:32Well, I wanted to meet somewhere there was no chance
0:00:32 > 0:00:35- of bumping into any of my fellow countrymen.- Here?
0:00:35 > 0:00:39Believe you me, no self-respecting Irishman would be seen dead in this place.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42So, I think I know what you two want to talk to me about.
0:00:42 > 0:00:43Barbara Linden-Warner.
0:00:43 > 0:00:47Kidnapped August '83 from the Mayfair Hotel, London. She was 18.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50- Yes, I know all this.- I know you do, because three days later,
0:00:50 > 0:00:54your organisation phoned the press and claimed responsibility.
0:00:54 > 0:00:55Former organisation.
0:00:55 > 0:00:59The Republican Front disbanded and decommissioned a long time ago.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02Whatever, then last week you told a completely different story.
0:01:02 > 0:01:03You read the interview?
0:01:03 > 0:01:08When asked about Barbara's abduction you said you only got involved because of the publicity,
0:01:08 > 0:01:12because of the outrage it would cause and now you deeply regret it.
0:01:12 > 0:01:16- And I do.- So how come it took 27 years and a newspaper article for you to come forward?
0:01:16 > 0:01:20Anything to do with you running for the European Parliament?
0:01:20 > 0:01:23You don't often find abduction and murder in an MEP's manifesto.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26Most MEPs didn't grow up in Belfast in the '70s.
0:01:26 > 0:01:28Maybe you've heard about it.
0:01:28 > 0:01:30It was a dark time. Terrible things happened.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33Oh, yes, your troubled youth.
0:01:33 > 0:01:35You know you ought to write a book about it. Oh!
0:01:37 > 0:01:38You did!
0:01:41 > 0:01:43Listen, I'm sorry I didn't come forward earlier,
0:01:43 > 0:01:46but I'm sure you'll understand that someone with my history
0:01:46 > 0:01:50might find it difficult to walk into a London police station.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53Anyway it's all out in the open now.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56I saw the light when I was sent to the Maze.
0:01:56 > 0:01:58I'm not interested in your life story.
0:01:58 > 0:02:02- I just want to know whether what you said in that interview was true. - Of course it was.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05The Republican Front did not kidnap or kill that girl.
0:02:05 > 0:02:10We simply saw an opportunity to raise our profile by claiming responsibility.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13And maybe give Barbara's father a few sleepless nights.
0:02:13 > 0:02:18Sir Kenneth, Managing Director of Linden-Warner Industries,
0:02:18 > 0:02:21one of the companies that supplied the RUC with plastic bullets.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24We'll be in touch Mr MacEntee.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31- Have you read it? - Not really. I don't like fiction.
0:02:32 > 0:02:35# It's all right It's OK
0:02:35 > 0:02:38# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey
0:02:38 > 0:02:40# It's all right I say it's OK
0:02:40 > 0:02:43# Listen to what I say
0:02:43 > 0:02:45# It's all right, doing fine
0:02:45 > 0:02:49# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine
0:02:49 > 0:02:52# It's all right I say it's OK
0:02:52 > 0:02:54# We're gettin' to the end of the day. #
0:02:56 > 0:02:59Oh, he didn't do it! That's what the former Irish terrorist told you?!
0:02:59 > 0:03:02- Yes, Gerry.- What else did he say, he knows where Shergar is?!
0:03:02 > 0:03:05You're not the only one with reservations.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07I should bloody well hope not!
0:03:07 > 0:03:08Think of the girl's family.
0:03:08 > 0:03:11Nearly 30 years of not knowing what happened.
0:03:11 > 0:03:13- That's why we're taking the case. - All right.
0:03:13 > 0:03:15Just don't expect me to be happy
0:03:15 > 0:03:17about helping MacEntee's political campaign.
0:03:17 > 0:03:19He's a man of peace now.
0:03:19 > 0:03:22He just wants to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.
0:03:22 > 0:03:23Cheers, Jack!
0:03:23 > 0:03:26Well, he was never much of a terrorist in the first place.
0:03:26 > 0:03:29- What?- What? The Republican Front.
0:03:29 > 0:03:31They were always minor league.
0:03:31 > 0:03:34Basically a bunch of wannabe thugs. Exhibit A.
0:03:34 > 0:03:36I've seen that picture before, haven't I?
0:03:36 > 0:03:40Yeah, because it was everywhere in the summer of '83.
0:03:40 > 0:03:44You know, that pub riot in Kilburn, The Duke of Wellington.
0:03:44 > 0:03:47Yeah, some shop windows got smashed and the pub was looted.
0:03:47 > 0:03:48Oh, that's right, yeah.
0:03:48 > 0:03:53Two young uniformed lads steamed in there cos the Paddies were all drinking after hours.
0:03:53 > 0:03:58Well, Fintan MacEntee was one of those arrested, and hence captured for posterity.
0:03:58 > 0:04:01Right, take a look at the case files.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04Come on, get on with it!
0:04:08 > 0:04:11This case is full of bad decisions.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14Yes, starting with the family not getting in touch
0:04:14 > 0:04:17with the kidnap squad, until after they paid the ransom.
0:04:17 > 0:04:20By the time the investigation had started, the trail had gone cold.
0:04:20 > 0:04:25Which might be why the investigation centred mostly around the Irish angle.
0:04:25 > 0:04:26They didn't have a lot to go on.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29They should have explored every angle. That was their job.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31So, it's the Met's fault, is it?
0:04:31 > 0:04:34I'm not saying that. But I remember what it was like in '83.
0:04:34 > 0:04:36Everyone was on high alert.
0:04:36 > 0:04:38Terrorism makes people terrified.
0:04:38 > 0:04:41- And terrified people do not make good decisions.- What do you think?
0:04:41 > 0:04:46Well, the girl was at a big posh do at the Mayfair Hotel.
0:04:46 > 0:04:50Her boyfriend said that between 8.30 and 9 they had a bit of a row,
0:04:50 > 0:04:52she stormed out and was never seen again.
0:04:52 > 0:04:57The alarm was raised in the morning when the boyfriend went to the house and she wasn't there.
0:04:57 > 0:04:58And then this arrived.
0:04:58 > 0:05:03"We have your daughter. We will return her when Ireland is free once more.
0:05:03 > 0:05:05"Do not speak to police."
0:05:05 > 0:05:06When Ireland is free once more?
0:05:06 > 0:05:10I know. In '83 there was definitely no sign of that happening.
0:05:10 > 0:05:12If I'd have got this I'd have thought she was dead.
0:05:12 > 0:05:17Maybe, but then this arrived 48 hours later.
0:05:17 > 0:05:20"Ten thousand quid to the place on the map by midnight.
0:05:20 > 0:05:23"Then to Fleet Services. M3.
0:05:23 > 0:05:26"Call police, we kill her."
0:05:26 > 0:05:29Someone obviously decided they needed the money.
0:05:29 > 0:05:33- Is it just me... - Yeah, they're different. The first one's much more formal.
0:05:33 > 0:05:37And properly punctuated. Look. They've even cut out full stops from the newspaper.
0:05:37 > 0:05:41And they've used two different typefaces on the ransom demand.
0:05:41 > 0:05:43And a different type again on the first note.
0:05:43 > 0:05:47All right, we're going to go back to the beginning and investigate this
0:05:47 > 0:05:50as a kidnap, not an act of terrorism.
0:05:50 > 0:05:51Hold on!
0:05:51 > 0:05:55Linden-Warner Industries had been threatened by Republican groups for years.
0:05:55 > 0:05:59Not just them, Gerry. They have a fairly contentious client list.
0:05:59 > 0:06:01Nicaragua, Israel, South Africa...
0:06:01 > 0:06:06- You and Gerry look at the hate mail and see if there are any specific threats.- OK.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08But what about the specific threat in that?
0:06:08 > 0:06:12I haven't forgotten, I'm just trying to review the evidence with an open mind,
0:06:12 > 0:06:13if it's OK with you?!
0:06:13 > 0:06:17Open minds? Yeah, it's fine with me!
0:06:20 > 0:06:22Not everyone's feeling the credit crunch, I see.
0:06:22 > 0:06:26You never see arms manufacturers on the breadline.
0:06:26 > 0:06:27We can always afford a war.
0:06:29 > 0:06:34- Detective Superintendent Pullman, ma'am.- Thank you.
0:06:34 > 0:06:38Lady Elizabeth, thank you for agreeing to see us, this is Jack Halford.
0:06:38 > 0:06:39How do you do?
0:06:39 > 0:06:41I've been expecting you. Ever since...
0:06:42 > 0:06:44We read the article.
0:06:44 > 0:06:46He was lying, wasn't he?
0:06:46 > 0:06:50We're not sure, which is why we want to reopen the investigation.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53Good.
0:06:53 > 0:06:55That's good.
0:06:55 > 0:07:01I mean, I know there's very little chance you'll find my daughter alive, but...
0:07:06 > 0:07:07Of course.
0:07:07 > 0:07:09Oh, please, sit down.
0:07:09 > 0:07:10Thank you.
0:07:11 > 0:07:16I just want to know where she is.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19Where she's been all this time.
0:07:23 > 0:07:24I'm sorry.
0:07:26 > 0:07:28Please excuse me.
0:07:28 > 0:07:32Michael, I need you to talk to these people. I can't...
0:07:32 > 0:07:34What the hell's going on?
0:07:34 > 0:07:37I'm Detective Superintendent Pullman.
0:07:37 > 0:07:39Jack Halford.
0:07:39 > 0:07:42Is this about Barbara and what that idiot said in his interview?
0:07:42 > 0:07:45You do know that he's running for election?
0:07:45 > 0:07:48- We're aware of that.- Do you not find it all rather convenient?
0:07:48 > 0:07:50It had crossed our minds.
0:07:50 > 0:07:54We can see how upset my mother is. There's nothing to be gained from dragging all this up.
0:07:54 > 0:07:57If we can give your mother some answers...
0:07:57 > 0:08:01But we all know what the final answer to all this will be. My sister is dead.
0:08:01 > 0:08:05We'd like want to find out exactly what happened. Don't you think that might help her?
0:08:05 > 0:08:08That depends on what you find out, doesn't it?
0:08:08 > 0:08:11I'm sorry, I wonder if I could use your, um...
0:08:11 > 0:08:13Course, it's across the hallway.
0:08:13 > 0:08:14Thank you.
0:08:32 > 0:08:33KNOCKS ON DOOR
0:08:37 > 0:08:40This is the one job I insist on doing myself.
0:08:40 > 0:08:45My wife always used to say if you want a job doing properly, do it yourself.
0:08:47 > 0:08:50This was taken the night Barbara went missing.
0:08:53 > 0:08:54Pretty girl.
0:08:55 > 0:08:58It was a very special night for her.
0:08:58 > 0:09:01That ball is the culmination of the season.
0:09:02 > 0:09:04Barbara was a deb that year.
0:09:04 > 0:09:07A debutante? Was she presented to the Queen?
0:09:07 > 0:09:10Oh, no. All that had gone by then, more's the pity.
0:09:10 > 0:09:13Still, it was an honour to be part of things.
0:09:13 > 0:09:19A young lady's debut season is a wonderful opportunity to meet people, make friends.
0:09:19 > 0:09:24- Meet a young man?- If a girl couldn't find a good prospect for herself
0:09:24 > 0:09:27during the season, there really was no hope for her.
0:09:28 > 0:09:32Although, Barbara had no problems in that department.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34She was always going to be popular.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37So, she met Gregory Hampton that summer?
0:09:37 > 0:09:42- Yes. We were very happy. He was from an excellent family.
0:09:42 > 0:09:43That's what it was all about.
0:09:43 > 0:09:46Finding a suitable husband. I mean, all the white dresses.
0:09:46 > 0:09:49Suppose you're halfway towards a wedding already.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51It's more like a virgin sacrifice.
0:09:51 > 0:09:56When did you realise that something was wrong?
0:09:57 > 0:09:59Well, Greg arrived here in the morning.
0:09:59 > 0:10:00He thought she'd be at home.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- Where did the family think she was? - At the ball. It was marathon not a sprint.
0:10:04 > 0:10:07You stayed until breakfast. Barbara had a car for the morning.
0:10:07 > 0:10:11- She was supposed to come back with her friend Kate.- Kate Smythe?- Yes.
0:10:11 > 0:10:15Kate didn't even see her leave. She assumed she was with Greg and had gone home alone.
0:10:15 > 0:10:19Do you know what the argument was about between Barbara and Greg?
0:10:19 > 0:10:23Greg didn't really remember. Too drunk. That was probably what kicked things off.
0:10:23 > 0:10:27- Had they argued before?- I don't think so. I assume he had more sense.
0:10:27 > 0:10:28What do you mean?
0:10:28 > 0:10:32If you upset Barbara you upset my father, no-one wanted to upset my father.
0:10:32 > 0:10:36Oh, I see. So, Sir Kenneth and Barbara were quite close.
0:10:36 > 0:10:38That's an understatement.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41He thought the sun rose and set with her.
0:10:41 > 0:10:43Which, in many ways it did.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46She was intelligent, kind...
0:10:47 > 0:10:48funny.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52She certainly didn't deserve what happened to her.
0:10:52 > 0:10:56Why didn't your father call in the police?
0:10:56 > 0:11:00He thought if he did what he was told, paid the ransom, then that would be that.
0:11:00 > 0:11:03£10,000. Didn't somebody question the amount?
0:11:03 > 0:11:06- Should we have?- Yeah, your father was a very wealthy man.
0:11:06 > 0:11:10I guess we always assumed it wasn't about the money. It was a political gesture.
0:11:10 > 0:11:13- But it was- you- who took the ransom money to the drop-off point?
0:11:13 > 0:11:16It was in the middle of Epping Forest. It could have been a trap.
0:11:16 > 0:11:19They may have wanted to abduct my father, so I had to go.
0:11:19 > 0:11:21That was very brave of you.
0:11:21 > 0:11:22Dad had it worse.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25He went to Fleet and waited for Barbara to be released.
0:11:25 > 0:11:26And waited.
0:11:26 > 0:11:28And waited.
0:11:29 > 0:11:31In fact he never stopped waiting.
0:11:31 > 0:11:32Every day it would start again.
0:11:32 > 0:11:37Today, maybe, she would come back to him.
0:11:39 > 0:11:41It went on like that for two years,
0:11:41 > 0:11:44until it killed him.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49She would have made a beautiful bride, don't you think?
0:11:52 > 0:11:57I think the low ransom suggests that it was an attack on the family, not their wallets.
0:11:57 > 0:11:58- Yeah, well, it's...- Oi!
0:11:58 > 0:11:59Don't even think about it.
0:11:59 > 0:12:03Don't start with me. It's permit parking round here. Plenty of signs.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06Yes, but I'm on a police investigation, all right?
0:12:06 > 0:12:08Sandra?
0:12:08 > 0:12:09Oh, my God!
0:12:09 > 0:12:10It is you.
0:12:10 > 0:12:11Excuse me?
0:12:11 > 0:12:13What I know it's been a while, but..
0:12:13 > 0:12:14Tracy. Tracy Smith.
0:12:16 > 0:12:17From school?
0:12:19 > 0:12:21Tracy. Yeah. How are you doing?
0:12:21 > 0:12:25I'm not Detective Superintendent or anything. Haven't you done well for yourself?
0:12:25 > 0:12:29- Yeah, I've done OK.- I expect you'll be coming then to show off.
0:12:29 > 0:12:31Coming where?
0:12:31 > 0:12:35School reunion, this week. Now you are going to be there, aren't you, Sandra?
0:12:35 > 0:12:37I don't know, I'm very busy.
0:12:37 > 0:12:41Don't say that! Loads of people are looking forward to seeing you.
0:12:41 > 0:12:42Miss Harrington's coming.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- Miss Harrington?- Yeah, you got on well with her, didn't you?
0:12:45 > 0:12:47It must be ages since you saw her?
0:12:49 > 0:12:53Er, I don't know, like I said, busy week. I'll see what I can do.
0:12:53 > 0:12:55Great.
0:12:55 > 0:12:56See you there.
0:13:03 > 0:13:04Yours, I think.
0:13:07 > 0:13:12Right, we need to establish a timeline of what happened before the Linden-Warners called in the police.
0:13:12 > 0:13:17Now we know that Barbara and Greg argued around 8:30, 9:00pm and then Greg raised the alarm
0:13:17 > 0:13:19at 9:00 the next morning.
0:13:19 > 0:13:22- Then the first letter arrived... - In the second post, about midday.
0:13:22 > 0:13:25Second post, bloody hell, those were the days.
0:13:25 > 0:13:29And get this, The Royal Mail estimate it was posted the night of the kidnap.
0:13:29 > 0:13:32It was collected from the post box about midnight.
0:13:32 > 0:13:35- Where was it posted? - Central London, Soho postmark.
0:13:35 > 0:13:3812 hours from post box to front door, fantastic.
0:13:38 > 0:13:40Yeah, yeah, all hail The Royal Mail.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42Thank you. Next question.
0:13:42 > 0:13:48- How did the abductors know where Barbara would be?- She was a debutante, it was a debutante's ball.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50But she left early, so they had to be watching her.
0:13:50 > 0:13:54Are you thinking inside job? Someone who knew the family, knew their movements.
0:13:54 > 0:13:59It's a thought. We should take a look at who was working for the Linden-Warners at the time.
0:13:59 > 0:14:03Domestic staff, people in the office. Who had access to their personal schedules?
0:14:03 > 0:14:06Was there anyone new in the house? Anyone with an axe to grind?
0:14:06 > 0:14:10Did anybody hand in their resignation after everything died down?
0:14:10 > 0:14:13- Oh, won't take long(!)- Should narrow it down to about 10,000.
0:14:13 > 0:14:16OK, the next day the ransom demand arrives.
0:14:16 > 0:14:21- With a postmark, Mount Pleasant. - So, they were still in London.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23They had to hang around for the money.
0:14:23 > 0:14:24Michael Linden-Warner
0:14:24 > 0:14:28delivered that to Epping Forest at midnight as requested.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32But they still didn't return Barbara, so the Linden-Warners called in the police.
0:14:32 > 0:14:33Have I missed anything?
0:14:33 > 0:14:36Yeah, yeah this mob the Republican Front,
0:14:36 > 0:14:40they phoned the Evening Standard that night and said they had Barbara.
0:14:40 > 0:14:43OK, what about the ransom amount?
0:14:43 > 0:14:46Don't you think that ten grand is a little low for a professional job?
0:14:46 > 0:14:48You think that's what it was?
0:14:48 > 0:14:52Well, it had to be, with an insider, all the forward planning with the letters.
0:14:52 > 0:14:56The fact that they snatched Barbara in central London no witnesses, no-one finding the body...
0:14:56 > 0:15:02If it wasn't an inside job, that would involve watching the family, working out their movements.
0:15:02 > 0:15:06- That's a lot of work for a small pay-out.- Exactly what I'm thinking.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- What do you do, Mr Hampton? - I'm a journalist. I work from home.
0:15:10 > 0:15:15Let me move these and you can take a seat. They're all waiting to go to the recycling centre later.
0:15:15 > 0:15:16Thank you.
0:15:16 > 0:15:23I do wish all the broadsheets would give in and go tabloid. It would save my back. Sorry, I'm going on.
0:15:23 > 0:15:27It's just, I'm not sure what I can tell you about Barbara.
0:15:27 > 0:15:31- Let's start with what you quarrelled about that night. - Well, I was quite drunk.
0:15:31 > 0:15:34Not so drunk that you didn't remember to go round and apologise.
0:15:34 > 0:15:38Unless you're saying you couldn't remember what you were apologising for?
0:15:38 > 0:15:42So you'd had a couple of drinks, but what else happened before the argument?
0:15:42 > 0:15:45Was there any dancing or anything?
0:15:45 > 0:15:49- No, not with my two left feet. - OK, whereabouts in the hotel were you when the row kicked off?
0:15:49 > 0:15:53We were in one of the hotel rooms.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58It was supposed to be romantic.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00It was the last ball of the summer.
0:16:00 > 0:16:05I'd ordered a bottle of champagne and maybe drunk a little too much of it.
0:16:05 > 0:16:07It was Dutch courage.
0:16:07 > 0:16:09- To do what?- To propose.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13I had the ring, I went down on one knee and popped the question.
0:16:13 > 0:16:16- And what was the answer? - A resounding no.
0:16:16 > 0:16:20That's what the argument was about. She was supposed to say yes, drink the champagne and...
0:16:20 > 0:16:21Make use of the room?
0:16:21 > 0:16:23That's how I imagined it going.
0:16:23 > 0:16:25So you must have been frustrated when it went wrong.
0:16:26 > 0:16:30I know what you're thinking and I know how it sounds.
0:16:30 > 0:16:33That's why I didn't come clean at the time.
0:16:33 > 0:16:37But I never... I mean we just had an argument, that's all. It didn't get physical.
0:16:37 > 0:16:43- Did she give you any reason for saying no?- That's what made me so angry. She wouldn't say.
0:16:43 > 0:16:47- I honestly thought it was what she wanted.- What happened next? - She left.
0:16:47 > 0:16:52I stayed in the room and drank the rest of the champagne and passed out on the bed.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55The next morning I woke up with a hangover and a desperate need to speak to her.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58I went straight round to the house. You know the rest.
0:16:58 > 0:17:00There are no witnesses, I assume.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02Well, no.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05I appreciate I should have said something at the time,
0:17:05 > 0:17:10but Sir Kenneth was upset enough without me giving him the details of my plans to deflower his daughter.
0:17:10 > 0:17:12Hey, you're back.
0:17:12 > 0:17:16Yes. Hi, I'm Amy. Greg's wife.
0:17:16 > 0:17:20They're from the police. They're looking into the Linden-Warner kidnap again.
0:17:20 > 0:17:24Oh, God. Barbara?
0:17:25 > 0:17:29- Wow, that's a blast from the past. - You knew her?
0:17:29 > 0:17:33- Oh, we were debs together that year. - Were you close?
0:17:33 > 0:17:37You know how you are at that age. Friends with everyone you meet.
0:17:37 > 0:17:43- Did Barbara know about you two? - Oh, no...- Not then.- It was at least a year after Barbara went missing
0:17:43 > 0:17:45before we even saw each other again.
0:17:45 > 0:17:50We bumped into each other at one of the post-Season weddings. You were not that interested, even then.
0:17:50 > 0:17:54She took some wooing, this one. But I wore down her resistance.
0:17:54 > 0:17:57- You mean you cheated. - How do you mean, cheated?
0:17:57 > 0:18:00Oh, well there were so many weddings that summer.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04But, I seemed to be placed next to Greg at every single one.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07It was only later that I found out he'd been phoning the brides
0:18:07 > 0:18:10and asking them to alter the seating plans.
0:18:12 > 0:18:16- Nobody on the staff would have been involved.- You can't be sure of that. You'd had threats.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19We had security in place. Everybody did back then.
0:18:19 > 0:18:21What sort of security?
0:18:21 > 0:18:23Just the usual things, being vigilant.
0:18:23 > 0:18:27Packages coming into the building were checked. Any cars parked near the building.
0:18:27 > 0:18:31Anyone who worked here or at the house was subject to a security check.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33But your sister was still abducted.
0:18:33 > 0:18:37We didn't have personal security, bodyguards or anything like that.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40Dad wanted us to have as normal a life as possible.
0:18:42 > 0:18:47He thought that if we let those people have an impact, change things, then they'd have won.
0:18:47 > 0:18:51Apart from your parents, who else would have known Barbara's comings and goings?
0:18:51 > 0:18:55Our driver, Keith. But didn't have a schedule as such.
0:18:55 > 0:19:00He was just told where to go as and when he was needed. Usually Miss Jones would coordinate that.
0:19:00 > 0:19:04- Miss Jones?- Dad's secretary. She kept the diaries, opened the mail.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08- It would be good to speak to her. - She retired 25 years ago.
0:19:08 > 0:19:13I shouldn't think she still has all her chairs under the table. That is if she is still with us.
0:19:13 > 0:19:17I don't think we even have an up to date address for her.
0:19:17 > 0:19:20And you came to work with your father after the kidnap?
0:19:20 > 0:19:24He'd lost all interest in the business. The company wasn't in serious trouble,
0:19:24 > 0:19:27but it was on the edge. The bad publicity had knocked the share price
0:19:27 > 0:19:32so I stepped in to protect him and the company from any sharks that might have been circling.
0:19:32 > 0:19:36- And when he died you took over as managing director? - It's what he would have wanted.
0:19:36 > 0:19:42So, is that how you become head of an international arms manufacturer? I mean, it's that easy?
0:19:42 > 0:19:44It's not quite that simple.
0:19:44 > 0:19:45Well, do you need any qualifications?
0:19:45 > 0:19:47No.
0:19:47 > 0:19:52It's a hell of a career trajectory then, isn't it? Two years to become Managing Director.
0:19:52 > 0:19:56- I worked very hard for it, it's not an easy life. - I'm not suggesting otherwise.
0:20:00 > 0:20:02- Vicky will show you out.- Thank you.
0:20:02 > 0:20:08- I'm going to make that conference call now. No interruptions, please. - No problem, Michael.
0:20:08 > 0:20:13- If you gentleman are ready I'll take you downstairs.- Oh, um, if you could just give us that address?
0:20:13 > 0:20:14I'm sorry?
0:20:14 > 0:20:19- Oh, he forgot to mention it, didn't he?- Mr Linden-Warner was going to give us an address for Miss Jones?
0:20:19 > 0:20:22Used to be his father's secretary?
0:20:22 > 0:20:25- First name?- He didn't say.
0:20:25 > 0:20:29I can't disturb him. Why don't I ask him later and email it to you?
0:20:31 > 0:20:34- Christmas card list! He said it would be on that.- That's right.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37You wouldn't have a quick search for us, would you?
0:20:40 > 0:20:43KNOCKING
0:20:46 > 0:20:48Yes?
0:20:48 > 0:20:51- Miss Jones?- Can I help you?
0:20:51 > 0:20:55How long did you work for Linden-Warner Industries?
0:20:55 > 0:21:0122 years and 4 months. My last duties were organising Sir Kenneth's funeral.
0:21:02 > 0:21:04And then you retired?
0:21:05 > 0:21:07I decided it was time to leave.
0:21:09 > 0:21:13Michael says you knew everything that was going on. In the company and with the family.
0:21:13 > 0:21:17And he's right, I was secretary to the MD. It was my job
0:21:17 > 0:21:20to keep a close eye on every aspect of his work.
0:21:20 > 0:21:22To anticipate his needs.
0:21:22 > 0:21:26Quite a job description. So there was a lot of responsibility?
0:21:26 > 0:21:28Which I took very seriously.
0:21:28 > 0:21:34Sir Kenneth knew he could trust me implicitly. In all the time I worked there I only took three days off.
0:21:34 > 0:21:38And that was when my mother died. I gave my all.
0:21:38 > 0:21:40And what did you get back in return?
0:21:41 > 0:21:48- I don't understand the question. - Well, don't they say secretaries are neither well-paid or well-treated?
0:21:48 > 0:21:51Sir Kenneth treated me with nothing but respect.
0:21:51 > 0:21:56And as for the money, I would have been happy to work for him for half my salary.
0:21:56 > 0:22:01Did you know anything about the threats that had been made against the company?
0:22:01 > 0:22:02I opened most of them.
0:22:02 > 0:22:04Badly spelt, full of foul language.
0:22:04 > 0:22:08When the threats became more specific it was me who called in the police.
0:22:08 > 0:22:10Were there any threats made against the children?
0:22:10 > 0:22:16No, no, no, no it was always Sir Kenneth. It hardly effected Barbara and Michael,
0:22:16 > 0:22:21- they lead perfectly normal lives. - Normal for children of a multi-millionaire.
0:22:21 > 0:22:27- They weren't spoiled. Barbara was a lovely girl.- And Michael?
0:22:27 > 0:22:32- Michael was...Michael. - What does that mean?
0:22:32 > 0:22:33Nothing.
0:22:35 > 0:22:37I hear he's doing very well these days.
0:22:40 > 0:22:41What do you think she was implying?
0:22:41 > 0:22:46Michael Linden-Warner wouldn't be the first little rich boy to get himself into trouble.
0:22:46 > 0:22:51- Which explains why he was so reluctant for us to speak with Miss Jones.- Thank you.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53- She's no dodderer. - Mind like a steel trap.
0:22:53 > 0:22:55Well, see if he's got a record.
0:22:55 > 0:23:00But other than that, security threats were just part of the Linden-Warner way of life.
0:23:00 > 0:23:06They're still not that popular as a company. They had the windows put in during the G20 protests.
0:23:06 > 0:23:09They were taken to court by a family.
0:23:09 > 0:23:15One of their drivers was killed delivering a shipment to Liverpool Docks back in 1984.
0:23:15 > 0:23:16By terrorists?
0:23:16 > 0:23:19It was a robbery, but who nicks a lorry load of guns and grenades?
0:23:19 > 0:23:22- Are we looking for a multitude of suspects?- I wouldn't think so.
0:23:22 > 0:23:25Peace campaigners don't usually result to kidnap and murder.
0:23:25 > 0:23:27It doesn't quite fit the image.
0:23:27 > 0:23:32No. But we know whose image it does fit!
0:23:32 > 0:23:34Yes, Gerry. But like I said, open mind.
0:23:36 > 0:23:41Brian's found some information I think we should chase up.
0:23:41 > 0:23:45- It seems Michael Linden-Warner was a bit of a wild child. He's got some previous.- What for?
0:23:45 > 0:23:48Nothing very original. possession, drunk and disorderly.
0:23:48 > 0:23:52But there's one highlight. An affray. he was in the Wellington Pub riot.
0:23:52 > 0:23:54Well, well, well.
0:23:55 > 0:23:59- Oh, by the way, are you going? - Going where?- That reunion.
0:23:59 > 0:24:03Oh, I don't know, I hadn't thought about it.
0:24:04 > 0:24:06'I wasn't part of the riot.'
0:24:06 > 0:24:08I just happened to be in the pub when it happened.
0:24:08 > 0:24:11One minute I'm having a drink, the next I'm in a police van.
0:24:11 > 0:24:13- You'd just gone there for a drink? - Yes.
0:24:13 > 0:24:18Kilburn doesn't strike me as being your natural stamping ground.
0:24:18 > 0:24:23- Do you think I should have been on Sloane Square or in Kensington? - It's not all that big an assumption.
0:24:23 > 0:24:26You'd just turned 20. People that age usually hang about with schoolmates.
0:24:26 > 0:24:28Maybe I preferred a different crowd at that time.
0:24:28 > 0:24:33The Kilburn riot wasn't the first time you'd been in a cell for a public order offence.
0:24:33 > 0:24:37- What was going on?- What do you think? Youthful rebellion.
0:24:37 > 0:24:40I wasn't the first 20-year-old to have a lost summer.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43- And who were you rebelling against? Your father?- I suppose.
0:24:43 > 0:24:45How did he react to your criminal career?
0:24:45 > 0:24:48He was unhappy about it.
0:24:48 > 0:24:50Unhappy enough to throw you out of the house?
0:24:50 > 0:24:54When you were arrested you gave your address as a squat in Camden, not Holland Park.
0:24:59 > 0:25:04Things came to a head. I moved out and Dad cut me off financially until I came to my senses.
0:25:04 > 0:25:06So, how did you hear about the kidnap?
0:25:06 > 0:25:12- Miss Jones, she came to find me. And I came straight back home. I knew my parents would need me.- Of course.
0:25:14 > 0:25:18It put everything in perspective.
0:25:18 > 0:25:21Yes, I was a screw-up, but I was there when it mattered.
0:25:21 > 0:25:23It's not enough to bring him in.
0:25:25 > 0:25:31But you can't really blame him for wanting to rebel against his parents. Wasn't exactly the family favourite.
0:25:31 > 0:25:34Not while Barbara still drew breath.
0:25:34 > 0:25:39Oh, OK. No, no, no we're just leaving, yeah fine,
0:25:39 > 0:25:41see you in the morning, goodnight.
0:25:41 > 0:25:46- Well?- She'll brief us tomorrow. - Right, better be off home then.
0:25:46 > 0:25:49- Doing anything special tonight? - Yeah. Hiding.
0:25:49 > 0:25:53It's Esther's turn to have her stitch and bitch group at our house.
0:25:53 > 0:25:56- Stitch and what?- They all sit round and knit and gossip.
0:25:56 > 0:25:59So, you wouldn't be averse to a night out then?
0:25:59 > 0:26:01Where are we going?
0:26:03 > 0:26:07Oh, Gerry. You do know how to spoil a girl.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09I can't imagine why you're still single.
0:26:09 > 0:26:13APPLAUSE
0:26:13 > 0:26:20Our slogan, "Bringing Communities Together", is our watch word for the future.
0:26:20 > 0:26:22APPLAUSE
0:26:25 > 0:26:29- Now some people will tell you that we should forget the past. - Yeah, people like him.
0:26:29 > 0:26:35Pretend it never happened. But those who don't learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.
0:26:35 > 0:26:39- That's original.- It won't be us that have to repeat it. It'll be our kids.
0:26:39 > 0:26:43- If I've got to be here, let me listen to what he's saying.- It's not too late for the next generation.
0:26:43 > 0:26:47If I have anything to do with it, they'll have better role models than I had.
0:26:47 > 0:26:52Better teachers, better fathers.
0:26:52 > 0:26:55Not men who are corrupted by injustice and violence.
0:26:55 > 0:26:57And I know it's too late for me.
0:26:57 > 0:27:02I am one of those men because of what I've seen and what I've done.
0:27:02 > 0:27:07But that does not mean I can't work towards that better future.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10And I promise you, all of you, that I will.
0:27:10 > 0:27:14APPLAUSE
0:27:23 > 0:27:28- Come on. Let's go.- No, doesn't it piss you off? Blokes like that going on like they're heroes.
0:27:28 > 0:27:32That's not what he was saying. In fact I think he was saying quite the opposite.
0:27:32 > 0:27:34That's not what I heard.
0:27:34 > 0:27:39- That's because you couldn't quite hear him over your preconceptions. - Yeah, but that's the problem, innit?
0:27:39 > 0:27:45He could be preaching the gospel, but it wouldn't mean anything because I know what he's done in the past.
0:27:45 > 0:27:47I mean how can you give money to a man like that?
0:27:47 > 0:27:51You'd be surprised. I've got friends with deep pockets all over this city.
0:27:51 > 0:27:53You're not even up for election in London.
0:27:53 > 0:27:59There are Irishmen scattered across the globe, but they never forget home.
0:27:59 > 0:28:03- Don't worry, I never expect any support from the boys in blue. - How did you know?
0:28:03 > 0:28:07I've spent enough time in the company of the police to know one when I see one.
0:28:07 > 0:28:09Checking up on me, were you boys?
0:28:09 > 0:28:12Whatever you want to know, just ask.
0:28:12 > 0:28:16OK, how well do you know Michael Linden-Warner?
0:28:16 > 0:28:22- I don't. Well, I know of him.- So you're saying you're never met him? Not even in Kilburn for instance?
0:28:24 > 0:28:26As I said, I don't know the man.
0:28:26 > 0:28:30Anyway, thanks for coming. Perhaps you'd like to take a leaflet with you.
0:28:30 > 0:28:32- You know what you can do... - Come on, Gerry.
0:28:36 > 0:28:42Esther's lot should be packing away their needles by now. Home, James!
0:28:42 > 0:28:46Here, how do you find out who's been making donations to a politician?
0:28:46 > 0:28:51Well, anything over five grand has to be registered with the Electoral Commission.
0:28:51 > 0:28:54Really? In that case I think I'm going back to the office for a bit.
0:28:54 > 0:28:57Well, how long are you going to be there?
0:28:57 > 0:29:00- I don't know.- You'll drop me home first, won't you?
0:29:00 > 0:29:05Oh, leave off, you live in the opposite direction! Look, there's a tube station down the road.
0:29:05 > 0:29:08I don't do tubes!
0:29:08 > 0:29:10Well, get a bus, number 29.
0:29:14 > 0:29:15Excuse me.
0:29:15 > 0:29:17- Good evening.- Good evening.
0:30:15 > 0:30:16Morning.
0:30:16 > 0:30:19I told you! I knew that slimy sod hadn't reformed.
0:30:19 > 0:30:22Why do I feel like I've just walked in halfway through a conversation?
0:30:22 > 0:30:27Last night, Brian and I went to see Fintan make one of his little speeches.
0:30:27 > 0:30:30- Why?- For the record, I was duped into going.
0:30:30 > 0:30:33And coming home by public flamin' transport.
0:30:33 > 0:30:37- I wanted to see if I could find anything that linked him with Michael.- And did you?
0:30:37 > 0:30:43Last month, Fintan's campaign received a cheque for £20,000 from one Michael Linden-Warner.
0:30:43 > 0:30:47And that's not all. I checked Michael's address in Camden with Fintan's known addresses
0:30:47 > 0:30:49at the time of the kidnap.
0:30:49 > 0:30:52- You are kidding me? - No, they were squat mates in Camden.
0:30:52 > 0:30:56- Good, we're getting there.- Well, maybe I can put us over the top.
0:30:56 > 0:31:01That second note, I thought I recognised the typeface.
0:31:02 > 0:31:05There you go, the Camden Gazette.
0:31:05 > 0:31:08Well, well, well.
0:31:08 > 0:31:13- We met in a pub in Kilburn. - That would be The Duke of Wellington?
0:31:13 > 0:31:17Yes. I was there to buy dope. Fintan came round making a collection.
0:31:17 > 0:31:18For the boys?
0:31:18 > 0:31:22I thought it was hilarious. Kenneth Linden-Warner's son being asked to contribute
0:31:22 > 0:31:24to the people who wanted him dead.
0:31:24 > 0:31:28I gave him fifty quid. That's my first mistake.
0:31:28 > 0:31:31- Why was that? - It marked me out as a rich kid.
0:31:31 > 0:31:36- Soon I was Fintan's new best friend. - Must have come as a blow to him when your dad stopped bank-rolling you.
0:31:36 > 0:31:40- It didn't go down very well. - Is that when you planned to kidnap Barbara?
0:31:40 > 0:31:45No, no! I didn't know she was missing until Miss Jones turned up.
0:31:45 > 0:31:49- And how did you feel when she did? - Upset. Frightened for my sister.
0:31:50 > 0:31:55But it gave you the chance to get back in with your family. The big returning hero.
0:31:55 > 0:31:59- What was the plan? Get Fintan to release her once got your feet under the table?- No.
0:31:59 > 0:32:01Something went wrong, didn't it? Did Fintan kill her?
0:32:01 > 0:32:04No! I'm telling you I didn't take her.
0:32:04 > 0:32:08- It was nothing to do with me. - What about MacEntee?
0:32:08 > 0:32:11When you heard what the note said about a free Ireland,
0:32:11 > 0:32:14didn't you think your new best mate might just be involved?
0:32:14 > 0:32:18He promised me he had nothing to do with the kidnap,
0:32:18 > 0:32:22but he said he might be able to find out who did. If he asked around his contacts.
0:32:22 > 0:32:27- And?- He told me that he spoke to someone high up in the Republican Front.
0:32:27 > 0:32:30Another terrorist cell had Barbara, but they didn't want to hurt her.
0:32:30 > 0:32:34- They just wanted to give my dad a scare.- And you believed him?
0:32:34 > 0:32:36I was young, I was naive.
0:32:36 > 0:32:40The one thing Fintan can do is tell a good story. He's made a career out of it.
0:32:41 > 0:32:46But that's all it was in the end. Nothing but talk. And I'm...
0:32:47 > 0:32:53I didn't realise until it was too late, until...
0:32:53 > 0:32:56- Fintan had talked me into his big idea.- Which was?
0:32:56 > 0:33:00He told me the other cell had no intention for asking for a ransom.
0:33:00 > 0:33:05He thought it was a missed opportunity, a chance to make money out of my father.
0:33:05 > 0:33:10Teach him a lesson for cutting me off. Well, I was all for that.
0:33:10 > 0:33:12So you and he wrote the second note?
0:33:12 > 0:33:16I told him how much money dad had at home in the safe.
0:33:16 > 0:33:22How much he could get at short notice without going to the bank and alerting anyone.
0:33:22 > 0:33:26And then I went home and played the prodigal son.
0:33:26 > 0:33:31And then you selflessly volunteered to make the money drop. Where did you really take the cash?
0:33:31 > 0:33:33Straight to the Duke of Wellington.
0:33:34 > 0:33:37What was supposed to happen next?
0:33:37 > 0:33:42They were...they were supposed to let Barbara go.
0:33:43 > 0:33:45Fintan said it was all arranged.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50But when...
0:33:55 > 0:33:58When Dad came home empty-handed...
0:34:01 > 0:34:03Suddenly I couldn't get hold of Fintan.
0:34:03 > 0:34:06He wasn't at the squat or at the pub.
0:34:08 > 0:34:12My parents were falling apart and by that time the police were involved.
0:34:12 > 0:34:13And the press.
0:34:14 > 0:34:17Eventually, the penny dropped, I realised I'd been used.
0:34:17 > 0:34:21But then the Republican Front claimed responsibility.
0:34:21 > 0:34:23I've told you, the RF didn't really exist.
0:34:23 > 0:34:27Fintan had no more idea about where Barbara was than I did.
0:34:27 > 0:34:29He was just using Barbara to make his name.
0:34:30 > 0:34:34- But I couldn't tell anyone. - No, not without implicating yourself.
0:34:34 > 0:34:35But I didn't know anything.
0:34:35 > 0:34:40Not about a kidnap. I had no idea who'd really taken Barbara.
0:34:40 > 0:34:44By that time you were back in the fold. Daddy's brave boy.
0:34:44 > 0:34:48- What about Fintan?- I was all his birthdays come at once.
0:34:48 > 0:34:51- I could never say no to him. He knew too much about me. - He blackmailed you?
0:34:51 > 0:34:53No, he was never as blunt, but yeah.
0:34:53 > 0:34:56Over the years, he'd turn up every now and again
0:34:56 > 0:34:57with his sweaty hand out.
0:34:57 > 0:34:59You could have said no.
0:34:59 > 0:35:02I did. Six weeks ago.
0:35:02 > 0:35:06The next thing I know he's talking about Barbara in an interview.
0:35:08 > 0:35:09You know the rest.
0:35:15 > 0:35:19Any contribution that Michael Linden-Warner, or any other donor for that matter,
0:35:19 > 0:35:23makes to my campaign is entirely voluntary and without obligation on my part.
0:35:25 > 0:35:30It's all registered in the Electoral Commission, and you're welcome to look at my accounts at your leisure.
0:35:32 > 0:35:38Nothing. Not a flicker. He knows we've got nothing to take to the CPS except Michael's word against his.
0:35:38 > 0:35:41And a load of circumstantial evidence. Nothing concrete.
0:35:41 > 0:35:45And if we're to believe Michael's version, then we still don't know who actually took Barbara.
0:35:45 > 0:35:48So where does that leave us? Back to square one?
0:35:48 > 0:35:51Well, it would explain why the two notes were so different.
0:35:51 > 0:35:56They were from two different people and I've identified the typefaces.
0:35:56 > 0:36:01Fintan and Michael's were cobbled together in a squat from the Camden Gazette and the NME.
0:36:01 > 0:36:03- And the other?- Daily Telegraph.
0:36:03 > 0:36:06Well, I can't see that being regular reading in a squat.
0:36:06 > 0:36:10If we are looking at two different crimes, thinking about the kidnap,
0:36:10 > 0:36:15there was no, no ransom demand, no claim of responsibility from whoever wrote the first note.
0:36:15 > 0:36:18And I'm assuming that they are the ones that actually took her.
0:36:18 > 0:36:22Unless she was already dead.
0:36:22 > 0:36:24Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way round.
0:36:24 > 0:36:26Not a kidnap leading to a murder, but a murder leading to a kidnap.
0:36:26 > 0:36:30And the Irish connection was just to distract people.
0:36:30 > 0:36:33Yeah, what was that you said about terrified people?
0:36:33 > 0:36:35Terrified people usually make bad decisions.
0:36:35 > 0:36:39So while everyone rushes about doing their best headless chicken act,
0:36:39 > 0:36:41someone else is actually getting away with murder.
0:36:41 > 0:36:47And when Michael and Fintan interfered, they were home free. Yeah, what do we think?
0:36:47 > 0:36:49It answers all my questions.
0:36:49 > 0:36:51Raises a few more.
0:36:51 > 0:36:57Why would anyone want to kill an 18-year-old who everyone thought was sweetness and light?
0:36:57 > 0:37:00What about the bloke who she'd just knocked back?
0:37:00 > 0:37:02- I mean Greg admitted that he was alone with her.- Opportunity.
0:37:02 > 0:37:04Well, he was a bit pissed.
0:37:04 > 0:37:08Which would dull the senses and quicken the temper.
0:37:08 > 0:37:11- And she totally rejected him.- Motive.
0:37:11 > 0:37:18OK, let's forget for a moment that this happened in a flashy hotel room and they were drinking champagne.
0:37:18 > 0:37:19It is potentially a case of domestic violence.
0:37:19 > 0:37:22Because if this had happened in a council flat and they'd been
0:37:22 > 0:37:25knocking back cider, we'd be looking for a history of domestic abuse.
0:37:25 > 0:37:29- Well, has he lashed out on any woman before?- No, nothing on record.
0:37:29 > 0:37:34No, but he doesn't take no for an answer, does he, where women are concerned. Look at the wife.
0:37:34 > 0:37:37He stalked her from wedding to wedding.
0:37:37 > 0:37:41- It did seem a bit obsessive. - We should have a word with that friend, what's her name?
0:37:41 > 0:37:43- The one she was supposed to go home with that night.- Kate Smythe.
0:37:43 > 0:37:46Yeah, and you go back and talk to Lady Elizabeth and see if she noticed anything.
0:37:46 > 0:37:48Right.
0:38:02 > 0:38:04Can I help you?
0:38:05 > 0:38:09I think you should know we don't do lessons or rides for tourists. We're not that kind of stables.
0:38:09 > 0:38:12We're not here for the horses. Kate Smythe?
0:38:15 > 0:38:18Barbara and I were friends from school.
0:38:18 > 0:38:21She really was a lovely thing.
0:38:21 > 0:38:28She took to all the balls and what have you far better than I did, but she never left me in a corner.
0:38:28 > 0:38:30She always made sure I was OK.
0:38:30 > 0:38:31Introduced me to people.
0:38:31 > 0:38:34I must have been a total pain in the arse.
0:38:34 > 0:38:39So, what did you think when she didn't come home with you that night as planned?
0:38:39 > 0:38:42Well, it was certainly odd. But I had seen her earlier
0:38:42 > 0:38:46with Greg, so I just assumed that he'd finally got his way.
0:38:46 > 0:38:47His wicked way, you mean?
0:38:47 > 0:38:52Well, yes. These functions the girls were looking for future husbands.
0:38:52 > 0:38:55The boys were looking to get their legs over the girls.
0:38:55 > 0:38:57Of course, some of the girls were more than happy to oblige.
0:38:57 > 0:38:59What about Barbara?
0:38:59 > 0:39:02- She wasn't one of them. - Did that cause arguments with Greg?
0:39:02 > 0:39:05Oh, endless arguments.
0:39:05 > 0:39:08The hours that Amy and I spent in the loos talking it to death.
0:39:08 > 0:39:13- Amy Coulthard? - Mmm, Amy Hampton these days.
0:39:13 > 0:39:16That was a turn out for the books, Amy and Greg.
0:39:16 > 0:39:19- Was it?- Amy was always dead set against Greg.
0:39:19 > 0:39:22Never a good word for him while he was with Barbara.
0:39:22 > 0:39:26- Two years later they're married. - But they weren't interested in each other that summer?
0:39:26 > 0:39:27No, like I say, never a good word.
0:39:27 > 0:39:30What was Amy's problem with Greg?
0:39:30 > 0:39:32Your guess is as good as mine.
0:39:32 > 0:39:36But in the end she made it pretty clear that it was either her or Greg.
0:39:36 > 0:39:40Barbara couldn't be friends with both of them. Barbara chose Greg.
0:39:40 > 0:39:43- How did Amy react? - She caused a scene.
0:39:43 > 0:39:47It was at a party that the Linden-Warners had thrown.
0:39:47 > 0:39:52Everything was going fine, but then there were raised voices
0:39:52 > 0:39:55and Amy storming down the stairs and out into the night.
0:39:55 > 0:39:59Next down was Barbara. It was quite obvious that they'd had it out.
0:39:59 > 0:40:02And how were they with each other after that?
0:40:02 > 0:40:06Well, Amy kept her distance.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09Even in that awful time after Barbara went missing.
0:40:10 > 0:40:15The rest of us waited, hoped, prayed.
0:40:15 > 0:40:18Amy Coulthard went to Switzerland.
0:40:18 > 0:40:20To a finishing school, for God's sake.
0:40:20 > 0:40:24- Finishing school, I thought they went out with the ark?- Rather.
0:40:24 > 0:40:28Even in the '80s they were considered archaic. Still, she only lasted a fortnight.
0:40:28 > 0:40:30Well, how long should she have been there then?
0:40:30 > 0:40:34Oh, it takes a year to properly finish off a young lady.
0:40:34 > 0:40:37There's a whole term on pearl necklaces from what I hear.
0:40:39 > 0:40:44Gregory? He was always an utter gentleman.
0:40:44 > 0:40:46I'm not quite sure what you're saying.
0:40:46 > 0:40:49Well, it's just a line of enquiry at this point.
0:40:49 > 0:40:51But if there was any change in Barbara that summer...
0:40:51 > 0:40:57- What sort of change? - Well, did she become withdrawn?
0:40:57 > 0:41:00- Nervous? Evasive? - Mr Halford, she was a teenage girl.
0:41:00 > 0:41:04She could be all those things and then an hour later she could be walking on air.
0:41:04 > 0:41:07So there was nothing to cause you any concern?
0:41:07 > 0:41:10No, the opposite.
0:41:10 > 0:41:14That summer my daughter absolutely blossomed.
0:41:15 > 0:41:19She'd always been sweet-natured, but over the last couple of months before...
0:41:21 > 0:41:24She was so happy, she glowed.
0:41:24 > 0:41:26And was Gregory the reason for that?
0:41:26 > 0:41:29What else could it have been? She was in love.
0:41:29 > 0:41:32Then why did she turn down his proposal?
0:41:32 > 0:41:36- Greg had proposed to her? - And she said no.
0:41:36 > 0:41:41- That's what they argued about, Lady Elizabeth. - That can't possibly be right.
0:41:41 > 0:41:43I told you. Greg is a gentleman.
0:41:43 > 0:41:48He wouldn't have dreamt of proposing before speaking to me or Sir Kenneth. He asked our permission.
0:41:48 > 0:41:50So, you knew that he'd proposed?
0:41:50 > 0:41:53No!
0:41:53 > 0:41:57I assumed he hadn't had the opportunity.
0:41:57 > 0:42:00They'd argued before he could pop the question.
0:42:00 > 0:42:03I thought she'd sabotaged him.
0:42:05 > 0:42:07I think you're going to have to explain that.
0:42:08 > 0:42:13That night, I told her to expect his proposal.
0:42:16 > 0:42:19She panicked. It was too soon, she wasn't sure.
0:42:21 > 0:42:25I had to speak to her in quite strong terms.
0:42:25 > 0:42:27You argued with her?
0:42:27 > 0:42:29She just wouldn't listen to me.
0:42:29 > 0:42:34I told her how lucky she was Greg had chosen her. She said she didn't care. She didn't choose him.
0:42:34 > 0:42:36Did she say why?
0:42:36 > 0:42:38No! She was being ridiculous. She didn't even have a reason.
0:42:38 > 0:42:40At least
0:42:40 > 0:42:42not one she could tell me.
0:42:42 > 0:42:46Did you feel she was holding something back from you?
0:42:46 > 0:42:48I asked her what was wrong with him
0:42:50 > 0:42:52and she refused to say.
0:42:58 > 0:43:01You don't think Greg was involved?
0:43:03 > 0:43:07Is that what this is all about?
0:43:07 > 0:43:09There are several lines of enquiry.
0:43:11 > 0:43:14I sent her to him.
0:43:14 > 0:43:15I shouted at her!
0:43:18 > 0:43:20My last words to her before...
0:43:23 > 0:43:25I told her
0:43:25 > 0:43:30not come home without his ring on her finger.
0:43:41 > 0:43:44Back again? How can we help this time?
0:43:44 > 0:43:46We're here to speak to your husband.
0:43:46 > 0:43:50Yeah, we want talk to you about the night Barbara went missing.
0:43:50 > 0:43:55- Now would you rather do that on your own?- Whatever you have to say you can say in front of my wife.
0:43:55 > 0:43:58OK, so how did you feel when she turned your proposal down?
0:43:58 > 0:44:00Well, how do you think?
0:44:00 > 0:44:02Rejected, hurt, angry.
0:44:02 > 0:44:05Of course, you'd done all that hard work.
0:44:05 > 0:44:07Well, I'd booked a room and ordered a bottle of champagne.
0:44:07 > 0:44:09No, I mean with her parents.
0:44:09 > 0:44:11You'd got the go ahead, their blessing.
0:44:11 > 0:44:14- I suppose. - Well, it was a done deal, wasn't it?
0:44:14 > 0:44:16- Apparently not. - All she had to do was say yes.
0:44:16 > 0:44:18One little word and it was all systems go.
0:44:18 > 0:44:25- What are you saying?- I'm saying you didn't want to hear her say no, so you decided not to listen.
0:44:25 > 0:44:28- What?- You decided you wanted to get what you'd been promised.
0:44:28 > 0:44:31- What you thought was rightfully yours.- No!
0:44:31 > 0:44:35Look, you wouldn't be the first bloke who'd had a rush of blood to somewhere that wasn't his brain.
0:44:35 > 0:44:39I can't believe you are actually saying this. I never.
0:44:39 > 0:44:42Why would you think that I had anything to do...?
0:44:42 > 0:44:46Greg, you were the last person who saw her alive.
0:44:46 > 0:44:49Didn't you say that you hardly knew Barbara?
0:44:51 > 0:44:56- I...I didn't. Not really. - Then you had a lot of nerve asking her to choose between you and Greg.
0:44:56 > 0:44:57What?
0:44:57 > 0:45:02That's what the row at Barbara's house was all about, and it got pretty heated from what I hear.
0:45:02 > 0:45:05And then a couple of weeks later,
0:45:05 > 0:45:08Barbara goes missing and you're off to finishing school.
0:45:08 > 0:45:11That had been planned for a long time.
0:45:11 > 0:45:13I'm sure it had.
0:45:13 > 0:45:16But you never got there, did you? I phoned them and asked.
0:45:16 > 0:45:18- You never even enrolled.- Amy?
0:45:18 > 0:45:21So where did you go and what happened to Barbara?
0:45:25 > 0:45:26Nothing!
0:45:26 > 0:45:28She's probably still alive!
0:45:30 > 0:45:33Greg didn't kill her!
0:45:35 > 0:45:37I ran away with her.
0:45:37 > 0:45:42But you weren't on speaking terms at that point. You'd had the big argument.
0:45:42 > 0:45:43It wasn't an argument.
0:45:43 > 0:45:44There were raised voices.
0:45:44 > 0:45:46Not from us.
0:45:46 > 0:45:50From Miss Jones.
0:45:50 > 0:45:52She walked in on us.
0:45:52 > 0:45:55That's why you wanted her to break up with Greg,
0:45:55 > 0:45:59because she wasn't in love with him.
0:46:01 > 0:46:03No, she was in love with me.
0:46:03 > 0:46:06I was in love with her.
0:46:07 > 0:46:09Oh, my God!
0:46:09 > 0:46:12You need to understand, Greg.
0:46:14 > 0:46:17I'd never felt like that about anyone before.
0:46:17 > 0:46:20I loved her.
0:46:20 > 0:46:22We just wanted to be together.
0:46:22 > 0:46:25So why weren't you?
0:46:25 > 0:46:28Because our families would have been so disappointed.
0:46:29 > 0:46:31So let down.
0:46:31 > 0:46:34Barbara's parents and mine,
0:46:35 > 0:46:38they expected so much from us.
0:46:38 > 0:46:40They gave us so much. We couldn't hurt them.
0:46:40 > 0:46:43But you did.
0:46:43 > 0:46:49- Where did you and Barbara go?- Paris.
0:46:49 > 0:46:51The first week was fine.
0:46:51 > 0:46:54More than fine.
0:46:54 > 0:46:56We had a beautiful flat,
0:46:56 > 0:46:58we spent all our time together.
0:46:58 > 0:47:00So what went wrong?
0:47:00 > 0:47:02I didn't want the adventure to end,
0:47:02 > 0:47:06but then Barbara started talking about
0:47:06 > 0:47:10us getting jobs and settling down.
0:47:12 > 0:47:15- I knew that wasn't what I wanted. - So what did you want?
0:47:17 > 0:47:19This!
0:47:19 > 0:47:23A home, a husband, children.
0:47:23 > 0:47:27- Years.- It's true, Greg.
0:47:27 > 0:47:28You gave me everything.
0:47:28 > 0:47:31- I do love you.- So what did you do?
0:47:36 > 0:47:37I wrote Barbara a note
0:47:40 > 0:47:42- and got the plane home. - And pretended nothing had happened?
0:47:42 > 0:47:47But when I came back there was the whole ransom thing and the police.
0:47:48 > 0:47:52- What was I supposed to have done? - Told the truth!
0:47:52 > 0:47:55Told the Linden-Warners that their daughter was still alive.
0:47:55 > 0:47:57Where is she now?
0:47:59 > 0:48:00I don't know.
0:48:05 > 0:48:06- Nice work.- Cheers.
0:48:06 > 0:48:12We've put a call into the French police, they're going to check their records for a Barbara Linden-Warner.
0:48:12 > 0:48:16- Thank you.- Can you imagine how Lady Elizabeth is going react when she finds she's alive?
0:48:16 > 0:48:18I'm wondering if there's a paper trail we could get on to,
0:48:18 > 0:48:22cos they had a flat ready for them in Paris, didn't they?
0:48:22 > 0:48:25How does an 18-year-old organise that?
0:48:25 > 0:48:28She doesn't. Not on her own.
0:48:29 > 0:48:31I walked in on them kissing.
0:48:31 > 0:48:34And it wasn't a friendly kiss.
0:48:34 > 0:48:38- I was so angry with them.- Why angry?
0:48:38 > 0:48:42Barbara had been given everything and she was just going to throw it away.
0:48:42 > 0:48:45She was in love, wasn't she?
0:48:45 > 0:48:48She was a silly girl who had no idea what she was doing to herself.
0:48:48 > 0:48:51- To her family. - I don't quite understand.
0:48:51 > 0:48:54No, and that's the problem.
0:48:54 > 0:48:59Nobody would have understood. They would have judged her.
0:48:59 > 0:49:02They would have made assumptions about her.
0:49:02 > 0:49:06She needed to understand what she was choosing for herself.
0:49:06 > 0:49:09I wouldn't have thought that falling for Amy was a choice.
0:49:09 > 0:49:11No, but she could have chosen to stay away from her.
0:49:11 > 0:49:13You make it sound very simple.
0:49:14 > 0:49:17I'm not saying it wouldn't have been hard.
0:49:17 > 0:49:20Probably the hardest thing she ever had to do.
0:49:20 > 0:49:22But she could have tried.
0:49:24 > 0:49:27Those sorts of desires...
0:49:27 > 0:49:32- Well, sometimes you just have to ignore them and get on with things. - Is that what you told Barbara?
0:49:33 > 0:49:36Yes, and apparently she didn't listen.
0:49:36 > 0:49:40Because I found her in my office going through my files. Looking for her passport.
0:49:40 > 0:49:44I had control of all the family documents.
0:49:44 > 0:49:46Birth certificates, marriage, everything.
0:49:48 > 0:49:50She told me she was going to go away.
0:49:51 > 0:49:57And she wanted me to pretend I didn't know what she was going to do. I couldn't do that.
0:49:57 > 0:49:59- Did you tell anyone?- No.
0:50:01 > 0:50:04No. I helped her.
0:50:04 > 0:50:09Whatever I thought of her choices, my duty was to her father. He would have wanted her safe.
0:50:09 > 0:50:13I booked her onto a ferry, I organised her accommodation.
0:50:13 > 0:50:15And I arranged for Amy to follow.
0:50:15 > 0:50:17And the kidnap letter? The first one?
0:50:19 > 0:50:21That was Barbara's idea.
0:50:21 > 0:50:24She knew the Irish thing would put everyone off the scent.
0:50:24 > 0:50:26She was a clever girl.
0:50:29 > 0:50:32And what about when Amy came back? It was all over between them.
0:50:32 > 0:50:35I wrote to Barbara and told her to come home,
0:50:35 > 0:50:39but she was too ashamed to face her father,
0:50:39 > 0:50:43and then when he was seriously ill, I knew she wouldn't be able to stay away.
0:50:43 > 0:50:45- So, I wrote to her again. - But she still didn't...
0:50:49 > 0:50:51She was on her way to the airport.
0:50:51 > 0:50:53The taxi she was in was involved in a collision.
0:50:55 > 0:50:57She died on her way to the hospital.
0:50:59 > 0:51:00The thing is,
0:51:00 > 0:51:03she wouldn't have made it anyway,
0:51:03 > 0:51:05that was the night Sir Kenneth died too.
0:51:05 > 0:51:08So what happened to her?
0:51:11 > 0:51:13I was registered as her next of kin.
0:51:13 > 0:51:16I had her birth certificate.
0:51:17 > 0:51:20I had her cremated and I brought her home.
0:51:27 > 0:51:30Even then. When she was dead!
0:51:30 > 0:51:34Didn't you think you ought to tell someone?! Tell her family?!
0:51:34 > 0:51:37After all they'd been through, you think that would have helped?!
0:51:37 > 0:51:40I think you're making excuses, Miss Jones.
0:51:40 > 0:51:42You're not protecting them, you're protecting yourself.
0:51:42 > 0:51:45Absolutely not!
0:51:45 > 0:51:49I gave everything to that family, that firm.
0:51:49 > 0:51:51The things I denied myself...
0:51:51 > 0:51:54The same things you couldn't deny Amy and Barbara?
0:51:56 > 0:52:01You didn't tell the truth because there would have been a lot of questions.
0:52:01 > 0:52:04Maybe some questions you've avoided all your life?
0:52:10 > 0:52:13- Well, we found her. - That's about all we did.
0:52:13 > 0:52:17Actually, I think we might have a couple of collars for the Merseyside police.
0:52:17 > 0:52:19The scousers? What have they got to do with it?
0:52:19 > 0:52:22You remember that robbery at the Liverpool Docks.
0:52:22 > 0:52:27Assorted small weapons being shipped by Linden-Warner Industries? October '85?
0:52:27 > 0:52:29Where the driver ended up dead?
0:52:29 > 0:52:31Yeah, well in his book, Fintan talks about how he proved himself
0:52:31 > 0:52:34to the Republican bad boys by getting hold of weapons.
0:52:34 > 0:52:37He gave them guns and then he was in. That was in '85.
0:52:37 > 0:52:41Yeah, I reckon it was an inside job.
0:52:41 > 0:52:43According to the Liverpool boys, the gang knew exactly
0:52:43 > 0:52:47which container they wanted out of hundreds on the dock.
0:52:47 > 0:52:50- Michael must have set it up for him. - Sounds plausible.
0:52:50 > 0:52:55- Yeah, but even if Michael coughs, it's just his word against Fintan's again.- Not quite.
0:52:55 > 0:52:59Fintan also talks in the book about how he went to prison.
0:52:59 > 0:53:05He robbed a taxi driver in Belfast at gun point, so I got on to the police over there.
0:53:05 > 0:53:09- You have been busy. - Well, they recovered the weapon from a bin near the scene.
0:53:09 > 0:53:14It had MacEntee's fingerprints all over it and that's what sent him to the Maze.
0:53:14 > 0:53:18Turns out that the serial number on the gun
0:53:18 > 0:53:19matched the guns missing from the shipment.
0:53:25 > 0:53:27- My mother?- Someone's with her.
0:53:39 > 0:53:42Hasn't got much to say for himself at the moment, has he?
0:53:44 > 0:53:47Here, it's not bad actually.
0:53:49 > 0:53:52I might enjoy it now I know it's got a happy ending.
0:53:56 > 0:53:58Mr Halford, ma'am.
0:54:06 > 0:54:08Lady Elizabeth.
0:54:08 > 0:54:12Is that...?
0:54:12 > 0:54:13Yes. I'm so sorry.
0:54:17 > 0:54:20Why couldn't she just have talked to me?
0:54:20 > 0:54:24Why couldn't neither of my children have come to me?
0:54:24 > 0:54:28Am I really such a terrible mother, Mr Halford?
0:54:28 > 0:54:31Did I deserve to lose both of them?
0:54:31 > 0:54:34Nobody deserves that, Lady Elizabeth.
0:54:38 > 0:54:40Right, who's up for a curry then?
0:54:40 > 0:54:43- Oh, yeah, go on then. - Sorry. Paperwork.
0:54:43 > 0:54:46- I might see you later.- OK, ta-ra.
0:54:46 > 0:54:49Bye.
0:54:49 > 0:54:51- Bye.- Paperwork? - That's what I said.
0:54:51 > 0:54:54- You're not going then? - Leave it, Jack.- Aren't you curious
0:54:54 > 0:54:57to see how all your old school mates have turned out?
0:54:57 > 0:54:59Not particularly, no.
0:54:59 > 0:55:02What about that teacher, Miss, erm...
0:55:02 > 0:55:04Harrington.
0:55:06 > 0:55:09I'll tell you what, I'll give you a lift and you can have a drink,
0:55:09 > 0:55:11you might even enjoy yourself!
0:55:15 > 0:55:16Go on then.
0:55:29 > 0:55:31Sandra?
0:55:31 > 0:55:34Sod it, let's go for a curry!
0:55:35 > 0:55:37You're really scared, aren't you?
0:55:37 > 0:55:39I am not scared!
0:55:43 > 0:55:44You were saying?
0:55:47 > 0:55:49All right, I admit it,
0:55:49 > 0:55:53school was not the best time for me, OK? Can we go now please?
0:55:54 > 0:55:59You know the best way to deal with a bully is to face him, stand up to him,
0:55:59 > 0:56:01you should do that now.
0:56:01 > 0:56:05That's really good advice, Jack, perhaps you should give it to the girls that were bullied by me.
0:56:05 > 0:56:07What?
0:56:08 > 0:56:10I was the school bitch.
0:56:10 > 0:56:12I was utterly horrendous.
0:56:12 > 0:56:16In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting for me in there with tar and feathers.
0:56:16 > 0:56:20Oh, come on Sandra, you're all grown-ups now.
0:56:20 > 0:56:25Why don't you go and show them how you've changed, show them who you really are.
0:56:25 > 0:56:27Show Miss Harrington.
0:56:35 > 0:56:37OK.
0:56:38 > 0:56:40- Just...- What?
0:56:40 > 0:56:45Just wait for ten minutes just in case.
0:56:47 > 0:56:48Ten minutes.
0:57:31 > 0:57:32Drive!
0:57:32 > 0:57:34- What?- Just drive!
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