:01:16. > :01:26.There's going to be more You're being paranoid.
:01:26. > :01:30.Just because we're paranoid, doesn't- This is not about football,
:01:30. > :01:33.have to make further substantial savings.
:01:33. > :01:36.They mean cuts. I think efficiencies is the favoured term of the moment.
:01:36. > :01:38.Nothing to do with us.
:01:38. > :01:41.Gerry and Brian seem to think that UCOS is in the firing line. I doubt it.
:01:42. > :01:44.Well, it is possible. Oh, anything's possible, Gerry.
:01:44. > :01:49.There should be a call for direct action, the withdrawal of labour. Police officers can't strike, Brian.
:01:49. > :01:52.Well, we're not officially police officers.
:01:52. > :01:55.Exactly. We've got to decide what to do. I've got an idea.
:01:55. > :01:57.What's that?
:01:57. > :02:01.Why don't we stop worrying about things that might never happen and just get on with our job?
:02:01. > :02:04.# It's all right, it's OK
:02:04. > :02:07.# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey
:02:07. > :02:09.# It's all right, it's OK
:02:09. > :02:12.# Listen to what I say
:02:12. > :02:15.# It's all right, doing fine
:02:15. > :02:17.# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine
:02:17. > :02:21.# It's all right, it's OK
:02:21. > :02:25.# We're getting to the end of the day. #
:02:25. > :02:29.March 5th, 2004, 6.10pm
:02:29. > :02:31.A body was found in a west London alleyway.
:02:31. > :02:33.The death was caused by a blunt force trauma
:02:33. > :02:36.to the head, consistent with a fight and a fall.
:02:37. > :02:39.The victim was a white male,
:02:39. > :02:41.aged between 20 to 30 years.
:02:41. > :02:44.And that's pretty much as far as they got.
:02:44. > :02:45.Am I boring you, Brian?
:02:45. > :02:49.Sorry, no, not at all, I'm just a bit tired.
:02:49. > :02:51.No ID, no wallet.
:02:51. > :02:53.That sounds like a robbery to me.
:02:53. > :02:56.Yeah, except he was still wearing a fairly expensive watch.
:02:56. > :02:58.They checked missing persons?
:02:58. > :03:02.They couldn't find a match and no-one came forward to identify- the victim.
:03:02. > :03:05.However, more recently it's featured as one of 70 or so
:03:05. > :03:08.cases on a website called "Not ever..."
:03:08. > :03:10.Not ever forgotten? Yes. Do you know it?
:03:10. > :03:12.Yeah, it's part of a global network.
:03:12. > :03:15.They harness the power of the internet to help solve
:03:15. > :03:17.unexplained disappearances, unsolved cases.
:03:17. > :03:20.That's all you need, a bunch of amateurs playing detective.
:03:20. > :03:24.So what exactly did we get from this website?
:03:24. > :03:27.According to one of its users, our victim is called Christopher Collins.
:03:28. > :03:33.So, if they're right, we've got a name.
:03:33. > :03:39.I love true crime, I always take a pile of books on holiday with me.
:03:39. > :03:42.It's fascinating what people do but horrible as well.
:03:43. > :03:48.Well, we know what people do. Yes, of course, you must see some things.
:03:48. > :03:51.How long did Collins work here, Mrs Carlisle?
:03:51. > :03:53.Lisa, please.
:03:53. > :03:54.About six months.
:03:54. > :03:56.The exact dates are down there.
:03:57. > :04:00.The last day we saw him was the March 5th.
:04:00. > :04:03.That was the day he died. And what exactly did he do here?
:04:03. > :04:06.He was a mechanic, I didn't see much of him.
:04:06. > :04:09.I work in the office, I don't spend- much time in the garage.
:04:09. > :04:11.Too much testosterone?
:04:11. > :04:15.Yes, and the calendars on every wall.
:04:15. > :04:19.Is there anybody who would have known him better than you? You should speak to my husband.
:04:19. > :04:25.John owns this place. Ah... Do you want to come with me?
:04:25. > :04:29.John.
:04:29. > :04:32.Certainly knew his way around an engine, I do remember that.
:04:32. > :04:35.So you must have been sad to see him- go then.
:04:35. > :04:39.A mechanic has a transferable skill, they can usually find work if they want to move on.
:04:39. > :04:42.And did Collins ever give any indication that he was going to move on?
:04:42. > :04:44.I don't think so.
:04:44. > :04:47.Did he ever mention if he had any problems or he was worried about anything?
:04:47. > :04:53.I don't mean to sound harsh but I run a business here, not a counselling service.
:04:53. > :04:57.What about before he came here, have you any idea where he lived or where he worked?
:04:57. > :04:59.I really can't tell you.
:04:59. > :05:01.You didn't ask for references?
:05:01. > :05:05.I asked him to strip a gear box down and then put it back together again.
:05:06. > :05:08.That's all I needed to know. Fair enough.
:05:08. > :05:11.The problem is we need to find a member of his family
:05:11. > :05:13.so at least they can claim the body.
:05:13. > :05:15.What happened to his body?
:05:15. > :05:18.Victims who aren't identified simply end up in a local unmarked grave.
:05:18. > :05:21.So anything else you can tell us would be helpful.
:05:21. > :05:25.Well, you ought to talk to one of our mechanics, Jason.
:05:25. > :05:29.Jason Hibbert. He was here when Collins was so he probably knew him best.
:05:29. > :05:31.Where can we find him?
:05:31. > :05:35.Well, he's, er, he's picking up an S class in Maidenhead at the moment.
:05:35. > :05:37.Be back this afternoon.
:05:37. > :05:42.Who found the body?
:05:42. > :05:43.Brian?
:05:43. > :05:45.Yeah?
:05:45. > :05:46.Who found the body?
:05:46. > :05:49.Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry.
:05:49. > :05:51.Er, an Alice West.
:05:51. > :05:54.She worked at a hotel called the Maybrooke...
:05:54. > :05:56.HE YAWNS
:05:56. > :05:58... That backed on to the alley where he was found.
:05:59. > :06:01.What is it, Brian, too many late nights?
:06:01. > :06:05.I'm just not sleeping properly, it's driving me mad.
:06:05. > :06:07.And Esther.
:06:07. > :06:09.I keep moving around and waking her up.
:06:09. > :06:11.Take a pill?
:06:11. > :06:15.No, I'm not taking any more drugs, I need to stay sharp.
:06:15. > :06:18.Anyway, you never know what the side effects might be.
:06:18. > :06:20.I usually find that a glass of hot milk works for me,
:06:20. > :06:23.but you need to put a little honey in it.
:06:23. > :06:26.Or a handful of sesame and sunflower seeds. That always helps.
:06:26. > :06:29.Any more suggestions?
:06:29. > :06:30.Warm clothes.
:06:31. > :06:33.See, what does that even mean?
:06:33. > :06:35.Straight out of the tumble dryer.
:06:35. > :06:38.Or you can bung a few things in themicrowave for a couple of minutes.
:06:38. > :06:40.And what do you do with the warm clothes?
:06:40. > :06:46.Just put them all over you, sort of snuggle up.
:06:46. > :06:49.Well, I don't know why but it seems to work for me.
:06:49. > :06:53.Now we've dealt with Brian's insomnia can we move on?
:06:53. > :06:57.Well, we know Collins wasn't staying at the hotel, the original team checked that.
:06:57. > :07:02.We've got a list of the guests here- and his name's definitely not on it.
:07:02. > :07:04.Did Alice West see anybody else at the scene of the crime?
:07:04. > :07:06.No, but she saw a car parked in the alley.
:07:06. > :07:09.He was still breathing so she went in to phone for an ambulance.
:07:09. > :07:12.When she came back again, car was gone.
:07:12. > :07:15.She didn't get a good look at the driver and even her description
:07:15. > :07:18.of the vehicle was vague, so not good enough to trace it.
:07:18. > :07:22.And nobody else came forward with any information.
:07:22. > :07:24.Why don't you and Brian go to the hotel and see
:07:24. > :07:30.if this Alice West's still working there?
:07:31. > :07:34.Alice.
:07:34. > :07:38.I only went outside to have a quick fag. I don't do that any more, I've given up now.
:07:38. > :07:40.Good for you.
:07:40. > :07:42.Wish it wasn't me who found him.
:07:43. > :07:46.I weren't even on a break, I was waiting for a guy in the restaurant
:07:46. > :07:49.to leave his table so I could reset it, kept ordering more coffee.
:07:49. > :07:52.He was sat over there. He must have had five cups.
:07:52. > :07:56.I just thought I'd have a couple of puffs, get back but I didn't
:07:56. > :07:58.even get to light it because
:07:58. > :08:01.as soon as I got outside that's when I saw...
:08:01. > :08:03.Mr Collins.
:08:03. > :08:06.I didn't know that were his name, not until you just told me.
:08:06. > :08:08.I knew he were hurt though.
:08:08. > :08:12.He had blood coming from his nose and he were making this noise,
:08:12. > :08:16.a horrible noise, like a wounded animal.
:08:16. > :08:19.So I ran inside, told Maureen, to call an ambulance
:08:19. > :08:21.and then I went back outside again.
:08:21. > :08:24.I were only gone a minute but...
:08:24. > :08:27.He weren't making any noise any more,
:08:27. > :08:29.just lying there.
:08:29. > :08:32.Perhaps you could show us where exactly.
:08:32. > :08:42.It's just this way. Sorry about the bags.
:08:42. > :08:45.
:08:45. > :08:49.He was over here, lying on his back,
:08:49. > :08:53.his head sort of twisted you know, looking over in this direction.
:08:53. > :08:56.I could see right into his eyes,
:08:57. > :09:00.as if he was pleading, help me, help me, it were...
:09:00. > :09:02.It was...
:09:02. > :09:04.I really don't want to think about it.
:09:04. > :09:06.What about the car you saw?
:09:06. > :09:11.That was parked up against the wall,- by the end there.
:09:11. > :09:13.And you were stood there? Yeah.
:09:13. > :09:16.And you say you didn't get a good look at the driver? No, at least maybe...
:09:16. > :09:18.I don't know.
:09:18. > :09:22.I know I don't remember what they looked like though.
:09:22. > :09:26.OK. Let's get back to the car. You told the first detectives it was probably blue.
:09:26. > :09:28.Dark blue or maybe black.
:09:28. > :09:32.Like I said at the time, it could have been an estate
:09:32. > :09:36.or one of those off road thingy's.I don't really know much about cars.
:09:36. > :09:40.The truth is I weren't reallylooking at the car or who was in it.
:09:40. > :09:48.I were looking at him.
:09:48. > :09:50.Jason.
:09:50. > :09:54.Jason!
:09:54. > :09:58.Detective Superintendent Pullman and Gerry Standing.
:09:58. > :10:01.I'll leave you to it, OK?
:10:01. > :10:04.That's fine. Thank you. Thank you.
:10:04. > :10:06.We'd like to talk to you about Christopher Collins.
:10:06. > :10:09.Yeah, John explained. I suppose you know about my record.
:10:09. > :10:12.Yeah, one conviction for assault.
:10:12. > :10:17.15 years ago. And the boss knows about it too. No, that's not what we're here to talk about.
:10:17. > :10:20.But he said that you knew Collins best.
:10:20. > :10:23.I suppose that's true, I wouldn't say we were that close though.
:10:23. > :10:27.What about outside of work?
:10:27. > :10:30.We had the odd drink, I went to his flat a few times.
:10:30. > :10:32.Sounds like you saw a lot of each other.
:10:32. > :10:33.Off and on really.
:10:33. > :10:37.The problem was I was married and he definitely wasn't, if you know what I mean.
:10:37. > :10:40.What, he was gay? Far from it.
:10:40. > :10:41.Oh, he liked the ladies?
:10:41. > :10:45.And they liked him too. He looked the part and he was a nice guy.
:10:45. > :10:48.Anyone in particular? No, I don't think so.
:10:48. > :10:52.I think that was the point really. Did he live with anyone?
:10:52. > :10:54.No, all on his own in a council place.
:10:54. > :10:57.Nice though. Three bedrooms, balcony.
:10:57. > :11:00.What about at work, did you notice him having any problems?
:11:00. > :11:04.No, nothing like that. The boss is a decent guy and everyone just gets- on with the job.
:11:04. > :11:07.Yeah, but what about when he disappeared,
:11:07. > :11:10.didn't you think it was odd that he just dropped out of sight?
:11:10. > :11:14.I suppose I should have at the time- but I didn't really...
:11:14. > :11:17.He gave me the impression he had other things going on.
:11:17. > :11:19.What sort of other things?
:11:19. > :11:22.He never said, and I never pushed him.
:11:22. > :11:25.When he left I just figured that whatever it was had come in.
:11:25. > :11:27.Something back in Basingstoke probably.
:11:27. > :11:29.Why Basingstoke?
:11:29. > :11:33.That's where he came from, at least- I think that's what he told me.
:11:33. > :11:36.Of course, if there's anything else- we can do...
:11:36. > :11:39.John, I've got Mark Tanner on the phone.
:11:39. > :11:42.I'm sorry, I've got to take this. Thanks for all your help, Mr Carlisle.
:11:42. > :11:46.Well, I've got three ex wives, I can't imagine working with any of them.
:11:46. > :11:50.Maybe that's where you went wrong, Gerry. Yeah, maybe.
:11:50. > :11:52.So Collins worked here for six months
:11:52. > :11:54.and nobody seems to know anything about him.
:11:55. > :11:57.We do know one thing though, we know he was lucky.
:11:57. > :11:59.How do you work that out?
:11:59. > :12:04.How else does a single man get a three bedroom council flat?
:12:04. > :12:08.Yeah.
:12:08. > :12:12.I can't find any trace of Collins in Basingstoke. Me neither.
:12:12. > :12:15.Not where he worked, where he lived.- Nothing.
:12:15. > :12:19.What about bank details? His wages were paid into a local branch in Slough.
:12:19. > :12:22.The account was only opened six months before he died.
:12:23. > :12:25.About the same time he started at the garage? Looks like it.
:12:25. > :12:29.It's like he just appeared one day out of nowhere.
:12:29. > :12:31.Sounds like he's hiding from somebody.
:12:31. > :12:35.Except then you throw in the three bedroom council flat,
:12:35. > :12:37.which he couldn't have got without help.
:12:37. > :12:42.It sounds more like somebody was hiding him.
:12:42. > :12:46.I'll make some calls in the morning- to confirm it.
:12:46. > :12:49.What would you do if they do close us down?
:12:49. > :12:52.They've got to make cuts somewhere.- They might treat us as an easy target.
:12:52. > :12:55.With our track record. They wouldn't dare.
:12:55. > :12:59.It doesn't matter to me but you might find yourself in a very awkward situation.
:12:59. > :13:02.What would you do? I haven't thought about it, Jack.
:13:02. > :13:03.It's about time you did.
:13:03. > :13:06.They could shove you into the nearest vacancy.
:13:06. > :13:09.You could end up anywhere. Talk to Strickland.
:13:09. > :13:10.Put a few feelers out.
:13:11. > :13:13.See if there's anything you haven't been told.
:13:13. > :13:17.OK.
:13:18. > :13:22.Oh, I'm sure there's nothing in it.- They'd tell you all if there was.
:13:22. > :13:27.Oh, don't be naive, we'd be the last people to find out.
:13:27. > :13:32.Well, worrying about UCOS isn't going to help you with getting to sleep.
:13:32. > :13:35.I wish you'd at least consider my suggestion.
:13:35. > :13:36.I have considered it.
:13:36. > :13:39.Mary Blyth hasn't had a single cigarette since she finished
:13:39. > :13:42.her course with him, he comes very highly recommended.
:13:42. > :13:45.Go on, he's a quack.
:13:45. > :13:50.This guy does not do a stage show.
:13:50. > :13:53.He's a highly qualified therapist.
:13:53. > :13:55.I bet he sells snake oil at weekends
:13:55. > :13:58.Well, we've got to do something. We can't go on like this.
:13:58. > :14:01.Yeah, I'm working on it.
:14:01. > :14:04.You've already tried the hot milk.
:14:04. > :14:07.No, the honey's the important bit.
:14:07. > :14:14.The natural sugars stimulate serotonin and induce a calm and peaceful state.
:14:14. > :14:16.Are you thinking about feeding the birds as well?
:14:16. > :14:20.These are sesame and sunflower seeds
:14:20. > :14:24.They're both excellent sources of magnesium which has proved to
:14:25. > :14:27.be a muscle relaxant.
:14:27. > :14:33.And you're calling him a quack.
:14:33. > :14:43.Eeww.
:14:43. > :14:43.
:14:43. > :15:49.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 66 seconds
:15:49. > :15:52.What are you do...
:15:52. > :15:56.What on earth are you doing?
:15:56. > :15:58.Oh, It was Gerry's idea.
:15:58. > :16:01.Yes. Of course it was.
:16:01. > :16:11.I'm making you an appointment.
:16:11. > :16:15.
:16:15. > :16:18.Morning.
:16:18. > :16:20.Who the hell is Thomas Barton?
:16:20. > :16:24.The real name of our victim. We were right, he was being hidden.
:16:24. > :16:27.He was in the witness protection program. Uh!
:16:27. > :16:29.And nobody noticed he'd gone missing?
:16:29. > :16:32.Apparently not. Who was he giving evidence against?
:16:32. > :16:35.A gang of six, led by Derek Robinson
:16:36. > :16:37.Robinson?
:16:37. > :16:39.Smiley Robinson.
:16:39. > :16:45.Was that 2003... He got a 25 year stretch for drug smuggling.
:16:45. > :16:47.Yeah, it took a nine month sting to even put him
:16:47. > :16:49.in the same place as the coke.
:16:49. > :16:53.He had a team at Felixstowe docks to get stuff through customs.
:16:53. > :16:57.And that's where Barton he worked as the mechanic down there, servicing the machinery.
:16:57. > :17:00.And was he in Robinson's operation?
:17:00. > :17:02.Well, not according to the report.
:17:02. > :17:05.He was just an ordinary guy who decided to do the right thing.
:17:05. > :17:07.And look where that got him.
:17:07. > :17:10.As I made clear on the phone, this all happened well before my time here.
:17:10. > :17:13.The witness protection unit is now a well oiled machine.
:17:13. > :17:16.We understand you didn't have any contact with Barton.
:17:16. > :17:18.We'd like to speak to his handler.
:17:18. > :17:22.That's not possible, I'm afraid. Barton was dealt with by a DS called Andrew Hughes
:17:22. > :17:23.but Hughes no longer works for us.
:17:23. > :17:25.So what can you tell us then?
:17:25. > :17:26.Whatever's in his file.
:17:26. > :17:29.Just tell me where you'd like to start.
:17:29. > :17:32.As a protected witness, Barton should have been flagged. I agree...
:17:32. > :17:36.If the investigation had known his identity they might have made progress.
:17:36. > :17:39.I can appreciate... So why wasn't he flagged?
:17:39. > :17:43.I'm sure you can understand anything connected with this office is a delicate matter.
:17:43. > :17:46.It's a murder investigation, DI Hornby.
:17:46. > :17:49.Delicate doesn't come in to it.
:17:49. > :17:52.From what I can gather, there was a period in late 2003
:17:52. > :17:55.when concerns were raised about information integrity.
:17:55. > :17:58.Information integrity? What the hell is that?
:17:58. > :18:02.I think he's trying to tell us that they had a leak. Uh.
:18:02. > :18:03.HE CACKLES
:18:03. > :18:06.What?
:18:06. > :18:11.Well, according to this,the jury had to be sent out of court
:18:11. > :18:15.because Robinson started singing in the dock.
:18:15. > :18:19.Singing? Yeah, while Barton was giving evidence against him,
:18:19. > :18:22.Robinson burst in to a well known Vera Lynn classic.
:18:22. > :18:26.Don't tell me. We'll Meet Again? Yeah.
:18:26. > :18:30.It's all right, Gerry. I get the picture.
:18:30. > :18:33.Things have tightened up considerably since then.
:18:33. > :18:37.A horse and a stable door... What made the department think there was a leak?
:18:37. > :18:40.To my predecessor's shame the identities of witnesses
:18:40. > :18:42.from various cases were compromised.
:18:42. > :18:45.Sounds more probable than possible to me.
:18:45. > :18:47.These people are meant to be protected.
:18:47. > :18:50.They risk their lives by giving evidence
:18:50. > :18:53.and then you don't even notice when one of them disappears!
:18:53. > :18:57.Barton slipped through a crack - it's regrettable but I wasn't personally involved.
:18:57. > :18:59.Yes, you've made that crystal clear.
:18:59. > :19:03.I do know however that there was a full investigation and nothing was ever proven.
:19:03. > :19:06.So how far did this investigation get?
:19:06. > :19:10.Each member of our staff was assessed, our systems were overhauled,
:19:10. > :19:13.every facet of our operation was dissected.
:19:13. > :19:17.I can assure you that it was a very thorough job.
:19:17. > :19:20.He wouldn't know a thorough job if it bit him on the bum.
:19:20. > :19:25.Yeah, but if there was a leak it would explain how Barton was found.
:19:25. > :19:27.Is it possible that Hughes could be the source?
:19:27. > :19:30.If they'd had any evidence they'd of charged him.
:19:30. > :19:34.Even if he wasn't, he might be able to tell us what was actually going on.
:19:34. > :19:37.Like if Barton was having problems.- I mean if he knew someone had found him,
:19:37. > :19:39.he might have gone to Hughes for help.
:19:39. > :19:49.Well, of course we do know who'd have been looking for him.
:19:49. > :19:58.
:19:58. > :19:59.Who?
:19:59. > :20:02.I'm not here to mess around, Mr Robinson.
:20:02. > :20:03.How disappointing.
:20:03. > :20:08.When I started out that's all female- coppers were there for.
:20:08. > :20:10.That and to make the tea.
:20:10. > :20:12.How times have changed.
:20:12. > :20:14.Well, not for the better.
:20:14. > :20:16.Back then we all knew where we stood.
:20:16. > :20:19.Tell us about Thomas Barton.
:20:19. > :20:23.That name does sound familiar.
:20:23. > :20:28.If you don't want to answer then I'll just have to assume you were involved in his murder.
:20:28. > :20:31.I'll take that as yes, then.
:20:31. > :20:33.We're leaving. No, don't go.
:20:33. > :20:37.I mean we haven't got to know each other properly yet.
:20:38. > :20:41.I enjoy a bit of company,
:20:41. > :20:44.especially when it's wearing a skirt.
:20:44. > :20:46.I don't get out as much as I'd like.
:20:46. > :20:49.Should be used to that by now. You never get used to it.
:20:49. > :20:52.My kids are growing up,
:20:52. > :20:54.my wife is getting old.
:20:54. > :20:58.My whole life is passing me by.
:20:58. > :21:02.Rumour is you're still running your own business.
:21:02. > :21:06.Yeah, well you don't want to believe everything you hear. What about what we read?
:21:06. > :21:08.I'm going to need a bit more than that to go on.
:21:08. > :21:12.I had a look at the case files and I particularly enjoyed
:21:12. > :21:15.the description of you serenading Barton in the witness box.
:21:15. > :21:19.I've got quite a voice when I get warmed up.
:21:19. > :21:22.Mostly the classics, you know, Sinatra, Bacharach,
:21:22. > :21:25.a little bit of Matt Monro.
:21:25. > :21:28.Course you had to be there to get the full effect.
:21:28. > :21:29.I think we got the gist of it.
:21:29. > :21:33.Look, you wanted Barton dead for what he did
:21:33. > :21:36.and you were going to make sure you found him again.
:21:36. > :21:38.Thomas Barton?
:21:38. > :21:41.Yeah, it turns out that that was actually his real name.
:21:41. > :21:44.He was relocated as part of the witness protection scheme.
:21:44. > :21:47.Did he ever seem nervous to any of you?
:21:47. > :21:50.Like he was worried about something?
:21:50. > :21:52.Did I say something funny?
:21:52. > :21:57.No, it's just he really wasn't the nervous type, that's all.
:21:57. > :21:59.I mean the guy had front, you know,- whatever he was doing.
:21:59. > :22:02.Did anyone ever come here looking for him?
:22:02. > :22:05.No, no, nothing like that.
:22:05. > :22:09.Mr Carlisle?
:22:09. > :22:13.Ah, well, it wasn't that exactly, it's, it's probably nothing.
:22:13. > :22:15.Why don't you tell us anyway?
:22:15. > :22:20.Well, he did ask about a client he'd seen in the office once, wanted to know the guy's name.
:22:20. > :22:22.And who was this client?
:22:22. > :22:26.I can't remember. Anyway after I had told him...
:22:26. > :22:29.Collins, Barton, sorry getting confused.
:22:29. > :22:32.Uh... Well, he seemed OK again.
:22:32. > :22:35.But you think he mistook the client for someone else?
:22:35. > :22:40.Well, that's what it seemed like, yeah.
:22:40. > :22:43.You still pull all the strings, Mr Robinson,
:22:43. > :22:46.and even banged up in here you've got a long reach.
:22:46. > :22:48.Well, that's very sweet
:22:48. > :22:51.but I think you're giving me a little too much credit.
:22:51. > :22:54.But you don't deny you wanted Barton dead?
:22:54. > :22:56.There wouldn't be much point in that now would there?
:22:56. > :22:58.Oh, well we must have got it wrong.
:22:59. > :23:02.You're actually a reformed character.
:23:02. > :23:07.I've seen the error of my ways, I've repented, made peace with the world.
:23:07. > :23:10.You think you've got away with it but you are so wrong.
:23:10. > :23:13.Don't tell me what I think.
:23:13. > :23:20.In here I'm told when to eat, when to sleep and when to crap.
:23:20. > :23:25.But the one thing nobody can tell me is what I think.
:23:25. > :23:30.Yeah, yeah, I think I wanted Barton dead.
:23:30. > :23:37.But, then, I think we don't always get what we want, do we, Detective Superintendent?
:23:37. > :23:40.Not always but every now and then.
:23:40. > :23:45.I wasn't the only one that Barton put away.
:23:45. > :23:48.If that's an accusation you have to be more specific.
:23:48. > :23:55.That's not an accusation, that's just a fact.
:23:55. > :23:59.You know Barton's evidence put six men inside.
:23:59. > :24:04.Only one of them was out of prisonwhen he was killed, Anthony Walters.
:24:04. > :24:07.He was one of the drivers on Robinson's crew.
:24:07. > :24:17.Now he only served 18 months.
:24:17. > :24:26.
:24:26. > :24:29.Sorry lads, not tonight.
:24:29. > :24:30.Your name Anthony Walters?
:24:30. > :24:33.It doesn't matter who gave you my name, I can't let you in.
:24:33. > :24:37.Not even with this?
:24:37. > :24:47.Two minutes, Al.
:24:47. > :24:56.
:24:56. > :25:02.You're wasting your time, I've got nothing to say about Barton.
:25:02. > :25:04.Not even a bad word or two?
:25:04. > :25:07.After all it was his evidence that put you inside.
:25:07. > :25:11.That was a long time ago, I moved down here to put it behind me.
:25:11. > :25:14.I've got a new life. Yeah, I can see that.
:25:14. > :25:20.It must have been tough getting your SIA licence with a serious conviction on your record.
:25:20. > :25:23.You do have your SIA licence don't you, Anthony?
:25:23. > :25:27.I've got a little boy now, I'm trying to earn a living here.
:25:27. > :25:29.We'll take that as a "no", shall we?
:25:29. > :25:34.The bad news is that working the doors without a licence is illegal,
:25:34. > :25:38.the good news is thatit's not really our area of interest.
:25:38. > :25:43.Unless, of course, we decide to become interested.
:25:43. > :25:49.I'm not surprised someone killed Barton, there was a long list of people that wanted him dead.
:25:49. > :25:53.From what we hear, you were pretty near the top of that list.
:25:53. > :25:57.I wasn't on it at all. I never saw him again after the trial.
:25:57. > :26:00.But you must have been angry. Why?
:26:00. > :26:04.I could've got off, I chose not to.- How do you mean?
:26:04. > :26:06.You were offered a deal to testify?
:26:06. > :26:10.You lot were desperate to put Robinson away, that's all that mattered.
:26:10. > :26:13.I was told to think about it, I For a minute...
:26:13. > :26:17.If you'd said "yes", you could have avoided going inside.
:26:18. > :26:21.I did 18 months.
:26:21. > :26:25.If I'd given evidence against Robinson it would be like doing a life sentence.
:26:25. > :26:29.Every night I'd be checking the locks, looking over my shoulder.
:26:29. > :26:32.I didn't want to live like that so I kept my mouth shut.
:26:32. > :26:36.Unlike Barton. That was his choice.
:26:36. > :26:40.Hughes left his jobat Witness Protection in April 2004,
:26:41. > :26:44.that's a month after Barton was killed. Where did he go?
:26:44. > :26:48.He's dropped through the grid, there's no record of him getting another job.
:26:48. > :26:53.The address they gave me was years out of date but I tracked him down through the electoral role.
:26:53. > :26:54.I'll get my bag.
:26:54. > :26:56.Is now a good time, Sandra?
:26:56. > :26:59.We were just leaving. I'll come back.
:26:59. > :27:03.No, it's all right. Come in to my office. OK.
:27:03. > :27:06.I'll wait, then.
:27:06. > :27:11.I know it sounds ridiculous but I thought I'd ask anyway.
:27:11. > :27:14.Does sound ridiculous, doesn't it?
:27:14. > :27:16.Not entirely, I'm afraid.
:27:16. > :27:20.You mean UCOS is under threat? Everything's under threat.
:27:21. > :27:24.Half the force spends more time looking for savings than it does criminals.
:27:24. > :27:28.The other half is worried about being forced into early retirement.
:27:28. > :27:33.I think Spain will become so popular they'll have to rename it Costa del Cop.
:27:33. > :27:35.I'll try to remember and avoid that.
:27:35. > :27:40.Some units might disappear, others will just have to cut their cloth according to what's available.
:27:40. > :27:43.You mean lose personnel? Possibly.
:27:43. > :27:48.If that's judged to be the best use of resources. I'd find that totally unacceptable.
:27:48. > :27:51.This is a macro issue Sandra, not a micro one.
:27:51. > :27:57.I hate to admit it but this goes far higher than me, higher than the person above me.
:27:57. > :28:01.Can't you find out if we're being talked about?
:28:01. > :28:11.I'll twist some arms, see what I can pick up.
:28:11. > :28:22.
:28:22. > :28:25.He's certainly done all right for himself.
:28:25. > :28:30.Especially for a man with no visible means of support. Yeah.
:28:30. > :28:33.Excuse me. Can I help you?
:28:33. > :28:37.Andrew Hughes? Yeah.
:28:37. > :28:41.Are you sure I can't get you anything? Coffee, tea, soft drink?
:28:41. > :28:43.No, I'm fine. No, not for me, thanks.
:28:43. > :28:45.Do you like it?
:28:45. > :28:48.Well, to be quite honest, I don't really know.
:28:48. > :28:54.I suppose that makes it thought provoking at least.
:28:54. > :28:56.What do you think?
:28:56. > :28:59.I think it looks expensive.
:28:59. > :29:02.Oh, it was. One of those things I just had to have.
:29:02. > :29:06.Just like this house I suppose and all those cars outside.
:29:06. > :29:12.I thought you wanted to talk to me about Thomas Barton. We do. Barton's dead.
:29:12. > :29:16.I didn't know. What happened? He was murdered by somebody he gave evidence against.
:29:16. > :29:17.The question is, how did they find him?
:29:17. > :29:22.And that information would be worth- an awful lot of money.
:29:22. > :29:28.You think I was paid for information? You think that's where- all this comes from?
:29:28. > :29:38.You don't work, Mr Hughes, as far as we can tell. So that's one possibility, yeah.
:29:38. > :29:39.
:29:39. > :29:42.What am I looking at?
:29:42. > :29:44.The other possibility.
:29:44. > :29:45.My wife, Vicky.
:29:45. > :29:48.Woah. This is really nice.
:29:48. > :29:53.Vicky is a Riley, as in Riley's Auction House.
:29:53. > :29:55.She runs it now that her father's retired.
:29:55. > :29:59.And you just stay at home? Well, I look after the kids.
:29:59. > :30:01.It's not that unusual.
:30:01. > :30:04.Take us back to witness protection, Mr Hughes. Thank you.
:30:04. > :30:06.I did my job, I did everything I could.
:30:06. > :30:09.But you didn't notice that Barton was missing.
:30:09. > :30:13.We couldn't baby-sit people 24/7 - there wasn't the resources.
:30:13. > :30:18.It's not like in the movies, there's no big house or armed guards.
:30:18. > :30:20.But we heard there was a suspected leak.
:30:20. > :30:23.There's always a suspected leak, it's the kind of place it is.
:30:23. > :30:26.What, security conscious?
:30:26. > :30:27.Paranoid.
:30:27. > :30:30.I'm sure that can be a useful quality in this line of work
:30:30. > :30:35.but in this instance it went too far. There was never any leak.
:30:35. > :30:38.People just got careless.
:30:38. > :30:42.Some people can leave their old lives behind and others can't.
:30:42. > :30:45.The isolation gets to them, so they- try to make contact with someone.
:30:45. > :30:52.An old friend or member of the family and once that happens, all bets are off.
:30:52. > :30:55.Yeah, but we know that Barton didn't have any close family.
:30:55. > :30:58.That's not strictly true, he had a half brother,
:30:58. > :30:59.living in Canada, I think.
:30:59. > :31:01.No, with Barton it wouldn't have been a person he missed,
:31:01. > :31:03.more a way of life.
:31:03. > :31:05.What as a mechanic at the docks?
:31:05. > :31:06.As a criminal.
:31:06. > :31:07.What do you mean?
:31:07. > :31:09.Importing drugs.
:31:09. > :31:13.I don't understand, we were led to believe he wasn't involved.
:31:13. > :31:15.Oh, he was involved.
:31:15. > :31:17.Why isn't it mentioned in the files?
:31:17. > :31:21.Because it's against CPS policy to do a deal that involves no jail time.
:31:21. > :31:26.And Barton wouldn't have talked if it meant spending one night inside.
:31:26. > :31:31.I'm not saying he was top of the food chain but he was halfway up.
:31:31. > :31:35.He was climbing and ambitious. Just look at his relationship with Robinson's daughter.
:31:35. > :31:38.Robinson's daughter?
:31:38. > :31:40.Caroline, the apple of her father's eye.
:31:40. > :31:43.They were an item.
:31:43. > :31:45.There was a rumour that they were going to get married.
:31:45. > :31:47.He would have ended up criminal royalty.
:31:47. > :31:51.Instead of working in a garage in Slough.
:31:51. > :31:54.That's certainly not the life he would have wanted.
:31:54. > :31:56.Maybe this is what I should do. What?
:31:56. > :31:58.If UCOS gets cut, you know?
:31:58. > :32:02.You mean find a rich woman to keep you in a style to which you are not accustomed?
:32:02. > :32:04.What's so funny about that?
:32:04. > :32:09.Nothing, Gerry. You're a real catch.- Now get in.
:32:09. > :32:12.You know, I'm sure it's just a phase,
:32:12. > :32:14.I'll be through it any time now.
:32:14. > :32:17.Probably tonight.
:32:17. > :32:21.I'm already feeling a bit tired, now I think about it.
:32:21. > :32:24.DOOR OPENS
:32:24. > :32:32.Brian Lane.
:32:32. > :32:37.Either you go through that door oryou're sleeping on the sofa tonight.
:32:37. > :32:40.I'll slip a disc if I sleep on that sofa.
:32:40. > :32:44.Well, it's your choice.
:32:44. > :32:46.This way please.
:32:46. > :32:49.Before we start, I want to make one thing very clear.
:32:49. > :32:59.Whatever happens, I'm not shutting me eyes.
:32:59. > :33:00.
:33:00. > :33:05.Hypnotherapy comes in many different guises Mr Lane,
:33:05. > :33:08.what I'd like to do first - is get you to relax.
:33:08. > :33:10.That's easier said than done.
:33:10. > :33:13.Well, let's give it a try anyway.
:33:13. > :33:15.How did you come here today?
:33:15. > :33:17.What's that got to do with anything?
:33:17. > :33:21.I'm just making conversation.
:33:21. > :33:24.I came on a bus, but, unusually, it was an orange bus,
:33:24. > :33:25.I'd never seen one before.
:33:25. > :33:28.An orange bus? That's right.
:33:28. > :33:32.But I don't want you to think about that, that's not important.
:33:32. > :33:34.We could start with breathing exercises.
:33:34. > :33:37.Me breathing's fine. I'm sure it is,
:33:37. > :33:39.but if you could just follow me. So...
:33:39. > :33:44.inhale and exhale,
:33:44. > :33:47.inhale and exhale...
:33:47. > :33:51.And as you exhale, the muscles in your chest relax.
:33:51. > :33:56.And what we're going to do is hitch a ride on that natural moment of relaxation.
:33:56. > :34:01.Inhale and exhale...
:34:01. > :34:06.What are you thinking about?
:34:06. > :34:08.What's going through your mind?
:34:08. > :34:12.Well, if you must know, it's that bloody orange bus.
:34:12. > :34:13.And that's because I told you not to.
:34:13. > :34:15.Can't get it out me head.
:34:15. > :34:18.It's the same principle when you're trying to sleep.
:34:18. > :34:20.You're telling yourself to do something
:34:20. > :34:24.and that has the knock on effect of it becoming the last thing you can actually do.
:34:24. > :34:29.So, inhale and exhale.
:34:29. > :34:39.Inhale and exhale...
:34:39. > :34:54.
:34:54. > :34:57.I spoke to my father, I wondered how long it would take you.
:34:58. > :35:01.Detective Superintendent Pullman, this is Gerry Standing.
:35:01. > :35:03.One thing he taught me was to recognise a copper.
:35:03. > :35:05.What else did he teach you?
:35:05. > :35:08.Not to speak to them either.
:35:08. > :35:13.But I decided to ignore that lesson.
:35:13. > :35:17.We understand that you were close to Thomas Barton.
:35:17. > :35:19.If I'd have married Tommie, I'd have made my bed.
:35:20. > :35:22.I know I had a lucky escape.
:35:22. > :35:25.Well, it must have made you really angry.
:35:25. > :35:29.I mean, the man you were in love with betraying your father?
:35:29. > :35:32.My father understood the game, he'd played it his whole life.
:35:32. > :35:36.And I didn't love Tommie, it wouldn't have lasted.
:35:36. > :35:41.I always knew Tommie was selfish, everything was always about him, about what he wanted.
:35:41. > :35:46.And he had the charm to get away with that... For a while at least.
:35:46. > :35:49.When did you last see him?
:35:49. > :35:52.About a couple of hours before my father was arrested.
:35:52. > :35:55.Tommie knew exactly what was about to happen,
:35:55. > :35:58.but he asked me where I'd like to have dinner,
:35:58. > :36:00.he didn't even miss a beat.
:36:00. > :36:02.And you've never had any contact since?
:36:02. > :36:04.No, of course not.
:36:04. > :36:08.I certainly didn't go looking for him and he never came looking for me.
:36:08. > :36:10.Would you have told your father if he had?
:36:10. > :36:14.You mean, would I have asked my father to kill him? If you like.
:36:14. > :36:16.You want to know if I was angry.
:36:16. > :36:23.Well, the truth is I wasn't. I didn't care enough about Tommie to be angry.
:36:23. > :36:25.Does that answer your question?
:36:26. > :36:31.Orange buses and explaining how to get air into my own lungs.
:36:31. > :36:35.I might as well have taken the money and flushed it down the toilet.
:36:35. > :36:38.I thought he seemed very good. Good?!
:36:38. > :36:41.He's Mickey Mouse.
:36:41. > :36:45.I've a good mind to report him for violation of the Trade Descriptions Act.
:36:45. > :36:51.You've got to give him a chance, three sessions he said.
:36:52. > :36:54.Mary had at least six.
:36:54. > :37:00.When have you booked your next session?
:37:00. > :37:06.Brian?
:37:06. > :37:16.You did book your next session, didn't you, Brian?
:37:16. > :37:26.
:37:26. > :37:29.Morning. Brian.
:37:29. > :37:32.Bright and early, Brian. I've had my first good night's sleep in a month.
:37:32. > :37:34.Glad to hear it.
:37:34. > :37:39.Was it the warm clothes? It was not.
:37:39. > :37:41.Ah. What?
:37:41. > :37:46.I'm going through all the prison visitors Robinson's had before Barton was killed, right.
:37:46. > :37:48.It's the same old friends, family associates,
:37:48. > :37:50.but none of them stand out at all.
:37:51. > :37:54.Down here, I found a name we do know, Anthony Walters.
:37:54. > :37:57.Walters visited Robinson in prison?
:37:57. > :37:59.He wouldn't be that stupid.
:37:59. > :38:04.He visited another bloke in the same nick so he could get a message to Robinson.
:38:04. > :38:06.To let him know he'd seen Barton.
:38:06. > :38:08.Well, exactly.
:38:08. > :38:11.You told me you'd leave me alone. We had a deal.
:38:11. > :38:15.I don't make deals, Mr Walters, but if I ever made an exception,
:38:15. > :38:17.it'd be based on you telling the truth.
:38:17. > :38:22.Which so far you haven't managed to do, so why don't you tell us about your prison visit?
:38:22. > :38:25.I didn't see Robinson. Maybe not but you saw someone on his wing.
:38:25. > :38:29.Look, all I've ever tried to do is keep my nose clean.
:38:29. > :38:32.If that's the truth, you've got nothing to worry about, have you?
:38:32. > :38:42.Even if it's not, you're still better off talking to us.
:38:42. > :38:42.
:38:42. > :38:45.Barton came to see me.
:38:45. > :38:49.I didn't look for him, he just turned up, like nothing had ever happened.
:38:49. > :38:53.What did he want? He wanted me to get back into the drugs game.
:38:53. > :39:00.He told me he was setting up a was working on getting a supplier board. He was ready to go. on deal,
:39:00. > :39:03.I said no, of course I did.
:39:04. > :39:06.I wasn't interested, not now and not then.
:39:06. > :39:10.And I warned him that there'd be trouble if he got involved again.
:39:10. > :39:13.But you gave the information to Robinson?
:39:13. > :39:16.I didn't want anything to do with either of them.
:39:16. > :39:18.Not Barton or Robinson.
:39:18. > :39:21.But if somebody found out I'd seen Barton and not said anything...
:39:21. > :39:24.Robinson would've come after you.
:39:24. > :39:27.Finally, the penny's dropped.
:39:27. > :39:29.I wouldn't try and be too clever, Mr Walters.
:39:30. > :39:33.If Robinson arranged Barton's murder using information you gave him,
:39:33. > :39:37.you could be charged as an accessory. No, no way. That's not possible.
:39:37. > :39:40.But you told Robinson where he could find Barton.
:39:40. > :39:42.No I didn't, I didn't know.
:39:42. > :39:45.When I said I wasn't interested, he disappeared again.
:39:45. > :39:49.He didn't tell me how to contact him - I didn't ask.
:39:49. > :39:52.Anyway, Robinson wouldn't have needed me.
:39:52. > :39:54.What do you mean?
:39:54. > :39:58.If Barton was getting back in the drugs game,
:39:58. > :40:04.Robinson wouldn't have to look very far, would he?
:40:04. > :40:06.< If you wouldn't mind, John.
:40:06. > :40:10.Yeah, it's an ongoing murder investigation. Yeah, I'll hold. Thanks.
:40:10. > :40:15.Robinson had a network of contacts which involved people flying around Europe for meetings.
:40:15. > :40:20.They used to get together in hotels, just like ordinary businessmen and one of the hotels...
:40:20. > :40:24.Was the Maybrooke. Yeah. So we'll have to go back over the people staying there.
:40:24. > :40:26.I'm already on it. Yeah, fire ahead.
:40:27. > :40:32.Yeah, got him, great. Yeah, and where is that?
:40:32. > :40:35.Hey, John, thanks for that, mate. I really appreciate it.
:40:35. > :40:38.Cheers, take care.
:40:38. > :40:41.That was an old pal of mine from the Drug Squad,
:40:41. > :40:45.I gave him the hotel guest list and asked if anybody stood out...
:40:45. > :40:47.Henrik De Groot.
:40:47. > :40:52.He works for one of the major players in the Amsterdam drug scene.
:40:52. > :40:56.Chances are the same people that Robinson has been dealing with for years.
:40:56. > :41:00.So all Robinson had to do was put the word out and get them to play along.
:41:00. > :41:04.And De Groot's boss agrees to sell to Barton and sets up a meeting at the Maybrooke.
:41:05. > :41:09.But really, De Groot's there tokill him, on the orders of Robinson.
:41:09. > :41:12.So he waits in the car outside and when your man shows up, no more Barton.
:41:12. > :41:16.Well, Alice West saw somebody in the car.
:41:16. > :41:18.Not well enough to describe him, though.
:41:18. > :41:21.Well, maybe De Groot's face will jog her memory.
:41:21. > :41:26.Alice, we want you to look at these photographs very carefully.
:41:26. > :41:33.Take your time, Alice, there's no rush.
:41:33. > :41:37.This one, I recognise him.
:41:37. > :41:39.Are you absolutely sure?
:41:39. > :41:41.Yeah, a hundred percent.
:41:41. > :41:47.Alice, was this the man in the car?- The car?
:41:47. > :41:51.No, he was in here, in the restaurant.
:41:51. > :41:53.What?
:41:53. > :41:56.He was the man ordering coffee in the restaurant.
:41:56. > :41:59.So he was definitely in the restaurant when you went out- and found the body?
:42:00. > :42:03.Yeah, he was over there. That's what I'm saying.
:42:03. > :42:07.Is there any way he could have nipped out and then come back in again?
:42:07. > :42:12.No, not without me seeing. He wasthere the whole time. Just drinking.
:42:12. > :42:15.Well, thanks anyway.
:42:15. > :42:18.Did I say something wrong?
:42:18. > :42:22.No, not at all. Just not what we were expecting.
:42:22. > :42:27.You thought he was in the car! Well, we thought it was possible.
:42:27. > :42:30.I'm sorry, I've tried to remember the driver, I really have.
:42:31. > :42:32.Yes, yes, we know you have.
:42:32. > :42:40.It's probably in there somewhere, I just can't get it out.
:42:40. > :42:45.I'm desperate for a cigarette, just a couple of puffs, you know.
:42:45. > :42:48.So I go outside. Are you outside now?
:42:48. > :42:51.I leave the door open so I can get back in.
:42:51. > :42:54.And what do you do next?
:42:54. > :42:57.I take out a fag and go to light it.
:42:57. > :43:02.With a lighter or matches? A lighter.
:43:02. > :43:05.But then I see a man lying on the ground.
:43:05. > :43:10.I don't want you to look at the man, Alice, I want you to look around alley. What else can you see?
:43:10. > :43:12.I can see a car.
:43:12. > :43:16.Is there anyone inside the car?
:43:16. > :43:20.Yeah, in the driver's seat.
:43:20. > :43:22.But I can't see them very well.
:43:22. > :43:26.OK, let's look at the car itself again. What colour is it?
:43:26. > :43:29.It's blue, a dark blue.
:43:29. > :43:35.Now I want you to look back at the driver. Is it a man or a woman?
:43:35. > :43:41.I think it's a man.I can't really tell, but I think so.
:43:41. > :43:43.Can you see this man's face?
:43:43. > :43:48.No, I can't see it. It's just...
:43:48. > :43:52.I... No, I can't see it.
:43:52. > :43:55.It was worth a try, at least.
:43:55. > :43:59.And what about the number plate on the car, Alice? Can you see that?
:43:59. > :44:04.Alice? Can you see the number plate?
:44:04. > :44:09.I think so. Yes, yes, I can.
:44:09. > :44:14.Please read the number out.
:44:14. > :44:17.Y169...
:44:17. > :44:19.Forget about a description of the driver -
:44:19. > :44:21.she read out the whole number plate
:44:21. > :44:23.as if it was right there in front of her.
:44:23. > :44:27.That's fantastic. Yeah, I've got to- admit, I was sceptical.
:44:27. > :44:29.I should hang onto that thought if I was you.
:44:29. > :44:30.Why, what's the problem?
:44:30. > :44:34.The vehicle is registered to a Dennis Craven.
:44:34. > :44:38.He's got no form. He's a maths teacher at a comprehensive school near Staines.
:44:38. > :44:40.A maths teacher?
:44:40. > :44:42.Well, that's the end of that, then.
:44:42. > :44:44.I knew all that stuff was mumbo jumbo.
:44:44. > :44:46.PHONE RINGS
:44:46. > :44:49.Hello, UCOS. Yeah, speaking.
:44:49. > :44:53.It is possible that Alice West got it wrong about the number plate.
:44:53. > :44:56.Or she got it right but the car had- nothing to do with Barton's death.
:44:56. > :45:00.Well, thanks very much for calling. Yeah, goodbye.
:45:00. > :45:05.That was the local council about where Barton's body's buried. Oh, yeah?
:45:05. > :45:10.Seems we're not the only onesinterested. They had a call from a woman claiming to be his mother.
:45:10. > :45:20.His mother's dead. Maybe Caroline Robinson cared more about him than she said.
:45:20. > :45:44.
:45:44. > :45:50.Excuse me. Can I have a word?
:45:50. > :46:00.Dennis Craven's house is number 49... Here.
:46:00. > :46:03.
:46:03. > :46:06.So is it still working? What?
:46:06. > :46:08.Hypnosis. Oh, yeah, brilliant.
:46:08. > :46:11.Mind you, it's not really hypnosis,- is it?
:46:11. > :46:13.It's more just the power of suggestion.
:46:13. > :46:17.It definitely worked for me, even if it didn't for Alice West.
:46:17. > :46:19.Maybe it did. What?
:46:19. > :46:27.Take a look at this.
:46:27. > :46:30.The car was serviced at Carlisle's garage.
:46:30. > :46:33.And it was in for its service on the very day Barton was killed.
:46:34. > :46:36.We've got the paperwork to prove it.
:46:36. > :46:39.Can't be a coincidence - the odds on that are astronomical.
:46:39. > :46:43.And anyway, De Groot was inside the hotel when Barton was attacked.
:46:43. > :46:47.So maybe we've been sidetracked by this whole Robinson scenario.
:46:47. > :46:53.Hiya. We've assumed that he was killed because of what he did as Thomas Barton.
:46:53. > :46:57.Maybe he was killed because of what he did as Christopher Collins.
:46:57. > :47:00.What's going on? The car outside the- hotel was from Carlisle's garage.
:47:00. > :47:03.We've probably been looking in completely the wrong place.
:47:03. > :47:06.I've got something that might support that theory.
:47:06. > :47:10.A woman left flowers at Barton's grave.
:47:10. > :47:13.Do you know who it was? No, I haven't got a name,
:47:13. > :47:23.but from the description, it was not Caroline Robinson.
:47:23. > :47:26.
:47:26. > :47:29.Can we come in, please, Mrs Carlisle?
:47:29. > :47:33.My husband's not here, he's at work. Yeah, we know.
:47:33. > :47:38.Thank you.
:47:38. > :47:40.Look, I just worked with Collins, or Barton,
:47:40. > :47:42.or whatever his name was - that's all.
:47:42. > :47:45.And not even for very long. So you didn't know him well?
:47:45. > :47:47.That's what I just said.
:47:47. > :47:53.Yeah, and that's why I'm wondering why you put flowers on his grave.
:47:53. > :47:56.I just...thought someone should, that's all.
:47:56. > :47:59.I just thought someone should do something.
:47:59. > :48:03.Do you know what a log file is? No.
:48:03. > :48:05.It's a record of activities on a website.
:48:06. > :48:10.You first visited the Not Ever Forgotten website about six months ago.
:48:10. > :48:15.You looked at the page with Barton's photograph on it on 32 occasions.
:48:15. > :48:17.Why didn't you come forward earlier?
:48:17. > :48:21.I don't know, I guess... I guess I wasn't sure.
:48:21. > :48:25.No, no, I think you waited because you were hiding something.
:48:25. > :48:29.I had nothing to do with his death.
:48:29. > :48:34.That's not what we're saying. If you were involved, you wouldn't have come forward at all.
:48:34. > :48:42.You were worried we'd find out that- you and Barton had had an affair.
:48:42. > :48:45.You can't tell John.
:48:45. > :48:48.You can't tell him.
:48:48. > :48:51.I'm telling you, Brian, we were on our way out,
:48:52. > :48:54.she calls him into her office and shuts the door on me.
:48:54. > :48:56.And it was just her and Strickland?
:48:56. > :48:59.Yeah, doesn't look good, does it?
:48:59. > :49:04.Nah. Well, I shall go freelance, Gerry. Freelance?
:49:04. > :49:08.Yeah, you know, that website, Not Ever Forgotten -
:49:08. > :49:11.they've got hundreds of open cases spread all over the world.
:49:11. > :49:14.They could really use somebody with my experience.
:49:14. > :49:16.Well, you're going to have to do something.
:49:16. > :49:20.Don't worry - if UCOS closes, I'll not be going back on the booze.
:49:20. > :49:24.I wasn't thinking about that. I was thinking about Esther.
:49:24. > :49:28.She's not going to put up with you around the house all day, every day, is she?
:49:28. > :49:32.Oh, here we go.
:49:32. > :49:35.So, that's 45 to the gallon around town,
:49:35. > :49:39.so on the open road you can probably account for...
:49:39. > :49:43.Uh, be back in a minute.
:49:43. > :49:49.Can this wait? Not really. She's been here for the third time, and I think she's about to bite.
:49:49. > :49:51.Someone else'll have to reel her in.
:49:52. > :49:53.Keys, boss.
:49:54. > :49:59.And it won't be him either.
:50:00. > :50:06.I-I met John when I was 18. Three months later, we were married.
:50:06. > :50:12.My parents wouldn't come - they didn't approve.
:50:12. > :50:16.It was the age difference - he was 31.
:50:16. > :50:18.It didn't matter to me.
:50:19. > :50:22.I loved him.
:50:22. > :50:27.And I've never...regretted it,
:50:27. > :50:31.it's just he likes to be...
:50:31. > :50:32.In control?
:50:32. > :50:37.No, no, not that, just... always together.
:50:37. > :50:43.It can feel a little suffocating sometimes.
:50:43. > :50:48.Chris wasn't like that. By Chris you mean Thomas Barton?
:50:48. > :50:57.He was Chris to me, and he was different, that was all.
:50:57. > :51:00.Exciting.
:51:00. > :51:04.I was flattered, and I was stupid.
:51:04. > :51:08.It was a crazy thing to do. But it happened, it just happened.
:51:08. > :51:11.I understand. Do you?
:51:11. > :51:16.Because I don't, not really.
:51:16. > :51:18.I knew it was a mistake straightaway.
:51:18. > :51:21.It didn't last long, just a couple of weeks.
:51:21. > :51:25.I told him I couldn't do it.
:51:25. > :51:29.It wasn't worth it, it wasn't worth- risking everything I had,
:51:29. > :51:33.everything I've got, for a fling.
:51:33. > :51:35.Where did you go on the night he was killed?
:51:35. > :51:37.How do you know I went anywhere?
:51:37. > :51:40.Just answer the question, please, Lisa.
:51:40. > :51:45.I...wanted some time on my own, I went to my mother's.
:51:45. > :51:48.She lives near Dartmouth, in Devon.
:51:48. > :51:51.Did you drive? Yes.
:51:51. > :51:52.You took your car?
:51:52. > :51:54.We only have one car.
:51:54. > :51:58.What difference does that make?
:51:58. > :52:03.Who else knew about you and Barton,- apart from your husband?
:52:03. > :52:05.John didn't know.
:52:05. > :52:07.Didn't he?
:52:07. > :52:11.John didn't know.
:52:11. > :52:13.Your wife went to Devon, she drove there in your car,
:52:14. > :52:19.and that's why you had to take one that was in for a service.
:52:19. > :52:21.There are people in and out all the time.
:52:21. > :52:25.Anyone could have had access to that vehicle.
:52:25. > :52:26.That's probably true.
:52:26. > :52:29.Anyone could have a motive,
:52:29. > :52:34.but you're the only one whose wife was having an affair with Thomas Barton.
:52:34. > :52:38.Lisa?
:52:38. > :52:42.No, no way.
:52:42. > :52:46.That never happened.
:52:46. > :52:48.I don't believe you.
:52:48. > :52:53.I could say the same thing. We know about the relationship. She confirmed it.
:52:53. > :52:56.She told you that? Yes, she did.
:52:56. > :53:00.She didn't think that you knew, but you did, didn't you?
:53:00. > :53:03.Of course I didn't.
:53:03. > :53:05.You had to - that's why you went to the Maybrooke.
:53:05. > :53:07.Maybe you didn't go there to kill him -
:53:07. > :53:11.maybe you just wanted to warn him off.
:53:11. > :53:14.I didn't go anywhere.
:53:14. > :53:21.And you can't prove I did. We'll prove it, Mr Carlisle, I can promise you that.
:53:21. > :53:25.We know you knew about Barton and Lisa Carlisle's affair.
:53:25. > :53:28.You saw them together.
:53:28. > :53:31.And we know why you're so loyal to Carlisle.
:53:31. > :53:33.I mean, you've been with him a long time.
:53:33. > :53:38.He gave you a job when many others wouldn't have.
:53:38. > :53:44.But that loyalty should only be stretched so far.
:53:44. > :53:49.Did Carlisle tell you that he killed Barton?
:53:49. > :53:51.John Carlisle is a good man.
:53:51. > :53:54.You didn't answer the question.
:53:54. > :53:56.Yeah, I did.
:53:56. > :54:00.You're hanging by a thread here, Jason.
:54:00. > :54:05.Accessory, conspiracy - we've got all sorts of options.
:54:05. > :54:08.Take your best shot.
:54:08. > :54:11.I really don't have anything more to say.
:54:11. > :54:14.That is your right, Mr Carlisle.
:54:14. > :54:18.It does seem such a waste, though.
:54:18. > :54:21.I mean, given that the affair was over.
:54:21. > :54:24.Pointless, really. Lisa had made her choice. What?
:54:25. > :54:28.The affair, the one that you didn't know about.
:54:28. > :54:31.It was finished, done and dusted.
:54:31. > :54:35.She'd already chosen you, John.
:54:36. > :54:39.No. Yeah, the relationship was over.
:54:39. > :54:44.No, no, no - they were still seeing each other.
:54:44. > :54:47.They were meeting in the hotel. Mr Carlisle. Just wait...
:54:47. > :54:49.Sorry, they were what?
:54:49. > :54:54.I knew, I heard him on the phone.
:54:54. > :54:57.Barton wasn't there to meet Lisa.
:54:57. > :55:00.I heard the name of the hotel, he was arranging it all.
:55:00. > :55:04.He wasn't meeting her - he was there for something completely different.
:55:04. > :55:09.You know the best bit? You didn't have to kill him.
:55:09. > :55:13.There was someone else desperate to do it, and they would have done as well.
:55:13. > :55:22.Except you got there first.
:55:22. > :55:25.Brian, is Sandra around? She's in an interview.
:55:25. > :55:27.OK, thanks.
:55:27. > :55:30.Do you want me to give her a message?
:55:30. > :55:31.Just ask her to give me a call, will you?
:55:31. > :55:34.Can I tell her what it's about?
:55:34. > :55:44.I've got some news for her, that's all. Thanks.
:55:44. > :55:48.I didn't want him dead. I didn't.
:55:48. > :55:50.I just wanted it to stop.
:55:50. > :55:54.So you waited close to the hotel.
:55:54. > :56:02.Yeah, I was going to go in and, you know, knock on the door.
:56:02. > :56:07.He was waiting outside when I got there, having a fag.
:56:07. > :56:10.I told him to leave Lisa alone.
:56:10. > :56:14.And what did he do?
:56:14. > :56:17.He smiled at me.
:56:17. > :56:22.That's what did it.
:56:22. > :56:27.He'd taken my wife away from me, and he just stood there and he smiled.
:56:27. > :56:31.What happened next?
:56:31. > :56:34.He pushed past me.
:56:34. > :56:37.He was just walking away, he wasn't listening.
:56:37. > :56:41.I swung my arm out and caught him on the face.
:56:41. > :56:45.He wobbled a bit, but he was still smiling.
:56:45. > :56:52.So I hit him again and he went down.
:56:52. > :56:59.I just didn't want to lose her.
:56:59. > :57:07.I wasn't going to let that happen.
:57:08. > :57:11.KNOCK ON THE DOOR
:57:11. > :57:14.Where's John? Is he here? Can I see him?
:57:14. > :57:15.I need to see my husband.
:57:15. > :57:18.That's not possible at the moment.
:57:18. > :57:19.Can I get you anything?
:57:19. > :57:21.Cup of tea?
:57:21. > :57:24.This is all my fault.
:57:24. > :57:30.I knew how much he loved me, that should've been enough.
:57:30. > :57:33.Yeah, but you're not responsible for what other people do.
:57:33. > :57:37.I am responsible, he did it for me.
:57:37. > :57:40.God, why did I?
:57:40. > :57:48.I'll never forgive myself.
:57:48. > :57:51.To UCOS. UCOS.
:57:51. > :57:54.And all who sail in her. All who sink in her.
:57:54. > :57:56.I've got some news.
:57:56. > :57:59.Yeah, we can guess. How long have we got?
:57:59. > :58:02.We know you've discussed it with Strickland.
:58:02. > :58:04.We're prepared for the worst.
:58:04. > :58:06.Pastures new.
:58:06. > :58:09.Sorry to disappoint you, but Strickland has made some enquiries,
:58:09. > :58:11.and you're not going to get away that easily.