0:00:02 > 0:00:04"Now conscience wakes despair That slumber'd,
0:00:04 > 0:00:08"Wakes the bitter memory Of what he was.
0:00:09 > 0:00:12"What is, and what must be worse."
0:01:03 > 0:01:04Mum!
0:01:04 > 0:01:06Mum!
0:01:06 > 0:01:08Mum!
0:01:11 > 0:01:16"Of worse deeds worse sufferings must ensue."
0:01:24 > 0:01:32# Testator silens
0:01:32 > 0:01:40# Costestes e spiritu
0:01:40 > 0:01:47# Silentium... #
0:01:53 > 0:01:56Normal colour sclera.
0:01:58 > 0:02:01No jaundice, no petechiae, no facial stigmata or disease.
0:02:01 > 0:02:03Intrathoracic haemorrhage
0:02:03 > 0:02:07seems inconsistent with the low velocity of road traffic collision.
0:02:07 > 0:02:08Might be looking for a natural cause.
0:02:08 > 0:02:12Maybe a spontaneous rupture of an aortic aneurysm.
0:02:12 > 0:02:14Normal nails.
0:02:14 > 0:02:16No clubbing...
0:02:16 > 0:02:17or other abnormality.
0:02:24 > 0:02:26You feeling the cold there, Sergeant?
0:02:26 > 0:02:29- It is rather cold, isn't it? - Not working hard enough.
0:02:40 > 0:02:43God, it's freezing in here too, isn't it?
0:02:50 > 0:02:53You're right. The air-con's gone haywire.
0:02:57 > 0:02:59ELECTRIC SQUEAKS
0:02:59 > 0:03:01Mean anything to you?
0:03:01 > 0:03:03I think we need professional help.
0:03:03 > 0:03:05Leo's the one who knows all about it.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07He was here when it was installed.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09There'll be a number in his office.
0:03:09 > 0:03:11Where is Leo, anyway?
0:03:11 > 0:03:16What you are saying, Dr Karamides, is that this did not happen.
0:03:16 > 0:03:18This child did not die
0:03:18 > 0:03:20in the way a variety of other medical specialists say he did.
0:03:20 > 0:03:23I'm speaking about the over-reliance
0:03:23 > 0:03:25on the so-called triad of brain injuries.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27WHISPERS IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE
0:03:27 > 0:03:29Three physical symptoms - retinal haemorrhage,
0:03:29 > 0:03:31subdural haematoma, and acute encephalopathy,
0:03:31 > 0:03:34which some pathologists believe is proof positive
0:03:34 > 0:03:36of shaken-baby syndrome.
0:03:36 > 0:03:38- But you don't? - No, I don't.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41And nor do a number of eminent pathologists.
0:03:42 > 0:03:44So, what happened in this case?
0:03:44 > 0:03:48In my opinion, Baby K suffered an epileptic seizure,
0:03:48 > 0:03:49which led to subdural haemorrhage,
0:03:49 > 0:03:52and eventually to hypoxic-ischaemic brain damage.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55- In your opinion? - In my opinion.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58But the coroner sought the opinions of other experts -
0:03:58 > 0:04:01ophthalmologists, neuropathologists -
0:04:01 > 0:04:03who have testified that these injuries
0:04:03 > 0:04:05are more likely to have arisen
0:04:05 > 0:04:09from the baby being shaken and manhandled by his angry mother.
0:04:09 > 0:04:11Indeed.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- But do you disagree with all of them?- Yes! I do.
0:04:17 > 0:04:22Ah, here we are. Paul Bewley, heating and ventilation.
0:04:22 > 0:04:24He's in court today.
0:04:29 > 0:04:34- Request to attend a custody hearing. - Are you meant to be reading that?
0:04:34 > 0:04:37To give expert testimony on a matter of neonatal pathology.
0:04:37 > 0:04:39What?
0:04:39 > 0:04:41I thought we agreed to stay away from the triad.
0:04:41 > 0:04:44And even at this late hour, Dr Karamides,
0:04:44 > 0:04:48I cannot get you to consent to the majority view of all your peers?
0:04:48 > 0:04:51My job is not to support the consensus.
0:04:51 > 0:04:54It's to give you my professional opinion as a pathologist
0:04:54 > 0:04:57who specialises in brain development.
0:04:57 > 0:04:59I am not asking for consensus, but clarity.
0:04:59 > 0:05:02How can this court make up its mind
0:05:02 > 0:05:06when its own expert witnesses dispute not just conclusions
0:05:06 > 0:05:10but the evidence which underlies those conclusions?
0:05:10 > 0:05:12We all decided after the Alice Copeland case
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- that we wouldn't do any more neonatal work.- Sorry.
0:05:15 > 0:05:17Yeah, I just lost you a minute. I'm in the basement.
0:05:17 > 0:05:21OK, follow the pipes. That's what I'm doing.
0:05:21 > 0:05:24And... Oh, yeah, OK. Is that...? I think I can see the unit.
0:05:24 > 0:05:28It's a kind of...grey box with knobs. Is that right?
0:05:28 > 0:05:31Er...there's a lot of vapour coming out of other pipes.
0:05:31 > 0:05:33- It doesn't make any sense... - I don't know if that's good.
0:05:33 > 0:05:36..if he's in court giving expert testimony on a neonatal case.
0:05:36 > 0:05:38How long? Oh.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41Really? Well...well, can you please just call me when you know?
0:05:41 > 0:05:45Because, er...we are dying of cold here.
0:05:57 > 0:05:59Professor Dalton.
0:05:59 > 0:06:02I understand you are president of the Institute of Pathologists?
0:06:02 > 0:06:04I am, yes.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07And you completely disagree
0:06:07 > 0:06:11with the expert testimony presented by Dr Karamides?
0:06:11 > 0:06:13I do, yes.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22(SIGHS) My head's gone numb.
0:06:23 > 0:06:26- He's been reading up about the triad.- Oh, has he?
0:06:28 > 0:06:30This is about Helen Karamides.
0:06:30 > 0:06:33PHONE RINGS
0:06:39 > 0:06:42There's a theory that the pathology of the brain
0:06:42 > 0:06:44could be caused by factors other than shaking.
0:06:44 > 0:06:47But this particular theory, which involves questions of hypoxia,
0:06:47 > 0:06:50brain swelling, raised intracranial pressure,
0:06:50 > 0:06:54is highly contentious and, to my mind, utterly unproven.
0:06:54 > 0:06:58But these symptoms were present in the case of Baby K?
0:06:58 > 0:07:02Yes, but when taken together with other more complex factors,
0:07:02 > 0:07:06these make non-accidental head injury much more likely.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09In short, you believe this baby was shaken?
0:07:09 > 0:07:11Yes.
0:07:13 > 0:07:16Quick would be...good. Yeah.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19OK, thanks. Plumber's calling his mate.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22A plumber's mating call is being made. Help is on its way.
0:07:22 > 0:07:25Why didn't Leo tell us he was doing this?
0:07:25 > 0:07:29I should think because he knows how you feel about Helen Karamides
0:07:29 > 0:07:31and I should think because he didn't want a row,
0:07:31 > 0:07:35and I agree with him.
0:08:03 > 0:08:07"O much deceiv'd, much failing
0:08:07 > 0:08:09"Hapless Eve
0:08:09 > 0:08:12"Of thy presum'd return!
0:08:12 > 0:08:15"Event perverse!
0:08:15 > 0:08:17"Thou never from that hour in Paradise
0:08:17 > 0:08:23"Found'st either sweet repast or sound repose
0:08:23 > 0:08:27"Such ambush, hid among sweet flowers and shades
0:08:27 > 0:08:30"Waited with hellish rancour imminent
0:08:30 > 0:08:35"To intercept thy way, or send thee back
0:08:35 > 0:08:40"Despoil'd of innocence, of faith, of bliss."
0:08:56 > 0:08:58Mears? Visitors' area.
0:09:01 > 0:09:03Mears!
0:09:15 > 0:09:17- Here it is. - Here what is?
0:09:17 > 0:09:20Leo's list.
0:09:20 > 0:09:23One postmortem review on a six-month-old baby,
0:09:23 > 0:09:25and the name of the first pathologist has been redacted.
0:09:27 > 0:09:28I don't know anything about it.
0:09:28 > 0:09:31We're marking someone else's homework.
0:09:31 > 0:09:33And guess what.
0:09:33 > 0:09:37Someone whose name is five letters followed by nine letters.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42Helen Karamides.
0:09:42 > 0:09:46Professor Dalton, are you a specialist paediatric pathologist?
0:09:46 > 0:09:48No, I'm not.
0:09:48 > 0:09:51- Do you do any paediatric work? - Er...some.
0:09:51 > 0:09:53For various reasons, my colleagues and I
0:09:53 > 0:09:55have recently ceased doing neonatal work.
0:09:55 > 0:10:00Hm. So, on what basis are we asked to accept your expert evidence?
0:10:01 > 0:10:03Well, as a professor of pathology,
0:10:03 > 0:10:07and a member of the Home Secretary's Register of Forensic Pathologists,
0:10:07 > 0:10:08I keep up with the literature.
0:10:08 > 0:10:10This isn't about the literature, Professor.
0:10:10 > 0:10:14This is about whether a mother unlawfully killed her own child
0:10:14 > 0:10:16and whether this court should now deny her custody
0:10:16 > 0:10:19of her surviving child.
0:10:54 > 0:10:56You know why you're here, Annie?
0:10:56 > 0:11:00All that matters, the only thing that matters...
0:11:01 > 0:11:03...is those girls and their families.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07Otherwise I don't come.
0:11:09 > 0:11:11All I have are your visits.
0:11:14 > 0:11:16Well, then.
0:11:16 > 0:11:19Of course, it is generally preferable...
0:11:19 > 0:11:21WHISPERING
0:11:21 > 0:11:24.for a child to remain with his or her parents.
0:11:24 > 0:11:28But only if that environment is safe.
0:11:28 > 0:11:32In the case of the sibling, Child A,
0:11:32 > 0:11:37what I have heard today seriously calls that safety into question.
0:11:37 > 0:11:41To my mind, the evidence we have heard
0:11:41 > 0:11:44suggests there is significant risk
0:11:44 > 0:11:46that if he remains with his mother,
0:11:46 > 0:11:50he may suffer the same fate as his brother.
0:11:50 > 0:11:54I have listened to conflicting expert testimonies,
0:11:54 > 0:11:57and I have to say I find that of Professor Dalton
0:11:57 > 0:12:00more convincing, to say the least.
0:12:00 > 0:12:05The arguments of Dr Karamides, though no doubt well meant,
0:12:05 > 0:12:09seem to me to be baseless and quite possibly misleading.
0:12:11 > 0:12:15I have therefore decided, with regret,
0:12:15 > 0:12:20to entrust this child to the care of the local authority.
0:12:20 > 0:12:22LOW CHATTER
0:12:26 > 0:12:30Dr Karamides! Do you have your own comment to make?
0:12:30 > 0:12:33- Will you resign? - Dr Karamides!
0:12:33 > 0:12:36REPORTERS CLAMOURING
0:12:40 > 0:12:42Ever since Karamides started challenging the triad,
0:12:42 > 0:12:47- they've been out to get her. - Who have?- The establishment, the male establishment.
0:12:47 > 0:12:48- Oh, come on! - And Leo's part of it.- What?
0:12:48 > 0:12:51He's President of the Institute of Pathologists.
0:12:51 > 0:12:53Can't get much more establishment than that.
0:12:53 > 0:12:56- Doesn't mean he's part of a witch-hunt.- Doesn't it?- Does it?
0:12:56 > 0:12:58He's going up against her in court
0:12:58 > 0:13:00and he's agreed to check up on her postmortems.
0:13:00 > 0:13:03- I think Leo knows what he's doing. - Yes, I'm sure he does.
0:13:05 > 0:13:08Um...James Reagan.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11- The Institute of Pathologists. - We spoke on the phone.
0:13:11 > 0:13:15- Oh. How do you do? - Most impressive, if I may say so.
0:13:15 > 0:13:17Yeah, well, thank you.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25You going to do what you promised me?
0:13:25 > 0:13:27You got anything for me?
0:13:29 > 0:13:32Memories.
0:13:32 > 0:13:34I'm here alone with my memories.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37So are the families of all those other girls.
0:13:37 > 0:13:39Do memories affect you?
0:13:41 > 0:13:43Of course memories affect me.
0:13:43 > 0:13:46Like the angels.
0:13:47 > 0:13:51They remember how they were in heaven and the Garden of Eden
0:13:51 > 0:13:55and they despair when they remember.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59I'll give you memories.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03If you give me somewhere to go when I leave here.
0:14:06 > 0:14:08All right, then.
0:14:08 > 0:14:10HE CLEARS THROAT AND SNORTS
0:14:23 > 0:14:25Now...
0:14:27 > 0:14:28...memories.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32That's unfair. I know Leo has to play the political game a bit these days,
0:14:32 > 0:14:33but he doesn't enjoy it.
0:14:33 > 0:14:36He's never liked Helen, for some reason.
0:14:36 > 0:14:39He's never liked her ideas, but he believes in her right to air them.
0:14:39 > 0:14:40DOORBELL RINGS
0:14:40 > 0:14:42Oh, thank goodness.
0:14:46 > 0:14:47Hello?
0:14:47 > 0:14:49- Dr Cunningham? - Yes, thanks for coming. Hi.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52Come in.
0:14:52 > 0:14:54Er...let me show you.
0:14:54 > 0:14:59Have to take you into the bowels of the building, I'm afraid.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02Very, very, er...cold everywhere, as you can feel.
0:15:18 > 0:15:22About 500 yards from the bus stop, there's a fence.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29Then there was a gate.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32I went through the gate.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34Down a...a slight hill.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- Did you hear the cars? - Yes.
0:15:41 > 0:15:43Of course.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03And then?
0:16:04 > 0:16:07And then there was a little stream with a bridge.
0:16:20 > 0:16:22I thought I'd gone too far.
0:16:55 > 0:16:57Then I found it.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11I was about to use the Yellow Pages.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14No good, mate. You can't get any old Tom, Dick or Harry on kit like this.
0:17:14 > 0:17:15Is that right?
0:17:15 > 0:17:18No. The ticket to work on something like this costs 5,000 quid.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20Yeah.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46Looks like you've got a problem with the compressor.
0:17:46 > 0:17:50- Won't know till we've tested it all out.- Right, well, do your best.
0:17:50 > 0:17:51I'll...I'll be in the office.
0:17:52 > 0:17:56Hey. Do you know what this place is?
0:18:00 > 0:18:04- Why did we stop doing neonatal work? - Oh, Alice Copeland, wasn't it?
0:18:04 > 0:18:06Because we sent an innocent woman to jail.
0:18:06 > 0:18:09- We didn't do anything. - Well, not us, but pathologists.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11The profession.
0:18:11 > 0:18:14The experts arrive at the scene with their detachment and objectivity
0:18:14 > 0:18:17and announce that she shook her children to death and...
0:18:17 > 0:18:21then she takes her own life.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26If the courts had listened to Helen Karamides,
0:18:26 > 0:18:29that would never have happened.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36Hello.
0:18:36 > 0:18:38Who are you?
0:18:38 > 0:18:40It's your backfeed loop. We're going to have to trace it round.
0:18:40 > 0:18:42- See if we can find the airlock. - Right.
0:18:42 > 0:18:46Slight technical problem we had. Nothing works when you're not here.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50Er...Leo, I think Nikki might want a word when you have a moment.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52Oh, um...
0:18:52 > 0:18:55James Reagan, acting for the Institute of Pathologists.
0:18:55 > 0:18:56Harry Cunningham, hello.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59Is it always this cold? Maybe you keep it this way because of the...
0:18:59 > 0:19:02Something like that. Anyway, I'll, er...let you get on.
0:19:04 > 0:19:06This way.
0:19:06 > 0:19:08WHISTLES
0:19:20 > 0:19:22CONSTRAINTS CLICKING
0:19:24 > 0:19:27CLICKING
0:19:27 > 0:19:30Bye, Annie.
0:20:19 > 0:20:21Thanks.
0:20:43 > 0:20:45Body's that of a male infant.
0:20:58 > 0:21:01- Is Leo back? - Yeah.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09There's evidence of widespread ammoniacal dermatitis
0:21:09 > 0:21:10in the nappy area.
0:21:18 > 0:21:23The previous pathologist opened the thorax and the abdomen.
0:21:23 > 0:21:27So, I'm now reopening the sutured incision line.
0:21:52 > 0:21:56The gastric mucosa shows evidence of widespread erosion...
0:21:59 > 0:22:01...as was recognised by the previous pathologist.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03Try breathing deeply. They say counting to 100 helps.
0:22:05 > 0:22:07I suppose one gets used to it.
0:22:09 > 0:22:11Not when it's a baby.
0:22:27 > 0:22:29Mum, where are you?
0:22:30 > 0:22:32Let me know where you are.
0:23:03 > 0:23:05VEHICLE BEEPING
0:23:10 > 0:23:12VEHICLE BEEPING
0:23:15 > 0:23:18SHOUTING
0:23:23 > 0:23:26- Nikki. - Don't mind me.
0:23:26 > 0:23:30Look, I'm afraid this is confidential. The Institute...
0:23:30 > 0:23:34Oh, we don't have anything to hide from each other. Do we?
0:23:34 > 0:23:36No. No, of course not.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45DOOR OPENS
0:24:05 > 0:24:08So, Professor Dalton, you've completed the postmortem review?
0:24:08 > 0:24:11- I have, yes. - And what's your conclusion?
0:24:11 > 0:24:14Was the first pathologist in error?
0:24:14 > 0:24:17Mr Reagan, I agreed to do a second postmortem
0:24:17 > 0:24:19on an individual, not on a pathologist.
0:24:19 > 0:24:23Nonetheless, as a solicitor, I'd like your professional opinion.
0:24:23 > 0:24:27Well, there are some inconsistencies between my findings
0:24:27 > 0:24:31- and those of the first pathologist, yes.- Such as?
0:24:31 > 0:24:34The original postmortem found that the subject died of hypothermia,
0:24:34 > 0:24:37and yet there's no record of any rectal temperature reading
0:24:37 > 0:24:39in the original report.
0:24:39 > 0:24:42So, the first pathologist was wrong?
0:24:42 > 0:24:44Well, it's not as simple as that.
0:24:44 > 0:24:47I haven't seen the results of any special investigations.
0:24:47 > 0:24:49I haven't, explored the context.
0:24:49 > 0:24:53- Context? - Context is everything, yes.
0:24:53 > 0:24:56If you don't consider that, then... Well, we tend to make mistakes.
0:24:56 > 0:25:00So, if a child died of hypothermia
0:25:00 > 0:25:03then the temperature in the room is part of the context?
0:25:03 > 0:25:05We would take that into consideration, yes.
0:25:05 > 0:25:09- And not considering it would be negligent?- Well...
0:25:11 > 0:25:14There are other causes to hypothermia besides being exposed to cold environments.
0:25:14 > 0:25:17Who was the original pathologist, out of interest?
0:25:17 > 0:25:21- As I said before, Dr... - Dr Alexander.
0:25:21 > 0:25:24Dr Alexander, I'm afraid I'm really not at liberty...
0:25:24 > 0:25:26I think you know who it is.
0:26:36 > 0:26:39Helen Karamides has done more work on the infant brain
0:26:39 > 0:26:41than almost anyone in this country.
0:26:41 > 0:26:44Excuse me, could you tell me what your particular interest is in this?
0:26:44 > 0:26:47I trained under her for a couple of years.
0:26:47 > 0:26:49I have a professional interest.
0:26:49 > 0:26:53- She doesn't deserve a witch-hunt. - Nikki, this is not a witch-hunt.
0:26:53 > 0:26:56I was asked to do a postmortem review, which I have done,
0:26:56 > 0:27:00- fairly and even-handedly, I hope. - And the rest is up to the Institute.
0:27:00 > 0:27:02What's up to the Institute?
0:27:02 > 0:27:06I'd love to talk about this all day, but I have rather a lot to do.
0:27:06 > 0:27:09Professor Dalton. Dr Alexander.
0:27:11 > 0:27:14Are you saying she's facing some kind of disciplinary procedure?
0:27:16 > 0:27:20Why? If Dr Karamides is going to be ummoned before a tribunal,
0:27:20 > 0:27:24I want you to know I will be more than happy to speak on her behalf.
0:27:24 > 0:27:27- Look, do you know why I'm here? - No. Why are you here?
0:27:30 > 0:27:33- Well, are you going to tell her or shall I?- Tell me what?
0:27:33 > 0:27:36Helen Karamides has been accused of retaining tissue samples
0:27:36 > 0:27:40- from dead infants. - Tissue samples?
0:27:40 > 0:27:43Without their parents' permission.
0:27:44 > 0:27:46- And you can prove that? - Yes, we can.
0:27:50 > 0:27:51Right.
0:27:53 > 0:27:55LEO SIGHS
0:27:56 > 0:27:57That went well.
0:28:54 > 0:28:58"Now conscience wakes despair That slumber'd,
0:28:58 > 0:29:02"Wakes the bitter memory Of what he was,
0:29:02 > 0:29:05"What is, and what must be worse
0:29:07 > 0:29:12"Of worse deeds worse sufferings must ensue."
0:29:22 > 0:29:26VEHICLE RUMBLING
0:30:08 > 0:30:09Excuse me!
0:30:09 > 0:30:12What are you doing?
0:30:12 > 0:30:14Got to trace the pipe-work.
0:30:15 > 0:30:18- Well, have you found anything? - No.
0:30:18 > 0:30:21No. So, you shouldn't be in here, so please get out.
0:30:21 > 0:30:23All right. All right, no need to make a fuss.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29Um...that was quite a scene earlier.
0:30:29 > 0:30:31What do you mean?
0:30:31 > 0:30:33The way you handled that guy. I...I loved that.
0:30:33 > 0:30:35Oh, great.
0:30:37 > 0:30:40So, you, er... you cut people up in here, then?
0:30:40 > 0:30:41Yes.
0:30:41 > 0:30:44And people watch from up here?
0:30:44 > 0:30:46Yes.
0:30:47 > 0:30:49So, you know all about dead bodies?
0:30:49 > 0:30:52Yes, that's my job.
0:30:54 > 0:30:57"Thou never from that hour in Paradise
0:30:57 > 0:31:00"Found'st either sweet repast or sound repose.
0:31:00 > 0:31:05"Such ambush, hid among sweet flowers and shades.
0:31:05 > 0:31:10"Waited with hellish rancour imminent
0:31:10 > 0:31:12"To intercept thy way
0:31:12 > 0:31:14"Or send thee back
0:31:14 > 0:31:20"Despoil'd of innocence, of faith, of bliss."
0:31:55 > 0:31:57Mum!
0:32:07 > 0:32:08Mum!
0:33:50 > 0:33:52What's your name?
0:33:53 > 0:33:55Annie Farmer.
0:33:55 > 0:33:57Annie.
0:33:59 > 0:34:01I knew an Annie.
0:34:04 > 0:34:09- You from around here? - Yeah. From round here, yeah.
0:34:09 > 0:34:11I thought we might have seen each other.
0:34:12 > 0:34:15No, we don't know each other.
0:35:06 > 0:35:09LOW CHATTER ON POLICE RADIO
0:35:48 > 0:35:51It was the backfeed loop. I told you it was the backfeed loop.
0:35:51 > 0:35:53Ah.
0:35:55 > 0:35:57Backfeed loop, apparently.
0:36:00 > 0:36:02Nikki and I went out for a drink last night.
0:36:03 > 0:36:07Can't imagine what you talked about.
0:36:07 > 0:36:10One or two, er...things did come up.
0:36:11 > 0:36:14Why did you go to court yesterday, if you don't mind my asking?
0:36:14 > 0:36:16How do you mean?
0:36:16 > 0:36:20Well, we'd agreed, I thought, as you know, after the Alice Copeland thing.
0:36:20 > 0:36:23- What, to do no more neonatal cases? - Yeah.
0:36:23 > 0:36:27Yes, I know. But I think, in retrospect, we made a mistake.
0:36:28 > 0:36:30OK.
0:36:30 > 0:36:32I think we should take each case as it comes.
0:36:32 > 0:36:37We can't fall back on a hasty decision that we made 18 months ago.
0:36:37 > 0:36:40- The Alice Copeland case was a...a tragedy.- Of course it was.
0:36:40 > 0:36:43- But this is a completely different case.- Right.
0:36:43 > 0:36:46I was asked to look at the evidence, and I did,
0:36:46 > 0:36:49and I disagreed with Dr Karamides' interpretation
0:36:49 > 0:36:51so I took to the stand and I said as much.
0:36:51 > 0:36:53- Yes, but... - I know how you felt.
0:36:53 > 0:36:56And I sympathise with you. I really do.
0:36:56 > 0:36:58But there is no conspiracy.
0:36:58 > 0:37:01We just have to make some hard calls.
0:37:01 > 0:37:03We can't say, "Oh, this is too controversial.
0:37:03 > 0:37:05"We can't get involved in this."
0:37:05 > 0:37:10We have to get involved, because that's our job, even when it's...
0:37:10 > 0:37:12- Scary. - Yeah, even when it's scary.
0:37:16 > 0:37:18I was going to tell you about going to court.
0:37:18 > 0:37:22OK, forget that. But you should have told me about the tissue samples
0:37:22 > 0:37:23she apparently stole.
0:37:23 > 0:37:27There is a legal process that has to be followed in all these cases.
0:37:27 > 0:37:29I wasn't allowed to.
0:37:32 > 0:37:34You know retaining those tissue samples
0:37:34 > 0:37:36doesn't make her a bad pathologist.
0:37:36 > 0:37:39No, but it calls her judgment into question, don't you think?
0:37:42 > 0:37:45FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING
0:38:21 > 0:38:22Well?
0:38:22 > 0:38:25Is this from you? Where did you get it?
0:38:25 > 0:38:27I can't talk to you here.
0:38:27 > 0:38:29This is a human bone. Where did you get this?
0:38:29 > 0:38:32- Will you talk to me away from here? - No, absolutely not. Leo?
0:38:32 > 0:38:36Er...it'll have to wait. I'm sorry.
0:38:39 > 0:38:42Look, this has got to be just between the two of us.
0:38:43 > 0:38:46What time do you finish? I'll wait.
0:38:46 > 0:38:48I asked you where you got this from.
0:38:49 > 0:38:53I brought it, cos I wanted to talk to you.
0:38:56 > 0:38:58Please.
0:38:58 > 0:39:00It's not about me.
0:39:00 > 0:39:02It's my mum.
0:39:07 > 0:39:09You're the only one who can help us.
0:40:21 > 0:40:24I was afraid you weren't going to come.
0:40:24 > 0:40:27OK, that bone you gave me, it's a proximal phalanx.
0:40:27 > 0:40:29- That's a bone in your finger. - Right.
0:40:29 > 0:40:32I'll run some more tests on it and then take it to the police.
0:40:32 > 0:40:34- No.- It could be evidence of a crime.
0:40:34 > 0:40:36You can't tell the police.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39I don't have a choice. You don't have a choice.
0:40:39 > 0:40:41I wish I'd never given it to you. Give it back!
0:40:41 > 0:40:44- I can't do that. - They'll put my mum in jail!
0:40:45 > 0:40:47Why?
0:40:47 > 0:40:50Cos she collects them.
0:40:50 > 0:40:52What, there are more of them?
0:40:52 > 0:40:56Yeah. Dozens of them.
0:40:57 > 0:40:59Well, where are they?
0:40:59 > 0:41:02I'm not going to tell you where.
0:41:02 > 0:41:04Can you take me to them?
0:41:06 > 0:41:09Just you, yeah?
0:41:28 > 0:41:30- Helen. - Hello, Leo.
0:41:31 > 0:41:34- How did you get in here? - I lied.
0:41:34 > 0:41:37- I said we were colleagues. - Well, we still are, I hope.
0:41:37 > 0:41:39Not for much longer, I suspect.
0:41:40 > 0:41:44I can't discuss disciplinary procedures, as you know.
0:41:44 > 0:41:47Yes, I know.
0:41:54 > 0:41:57Helen, you are a... a first-class pathologist.
0:41:57 > 0:41:59You've done valuable work.
0:41:59 > 0:42:02But the judicial system depends on us for a consistent judgment.
0:42:02 > 0:42:06We can't debate our differences of opinion in open court.
0:42:06 > 0:42:08We have to speak with one voice.
0:42:08 > 0:42:11Even if it means ignoring inconvenient truths?
0:42:11 > 0:42:15- According to you. - And destroying my career?
0:42:15 > 0:42:18I disagree with your theory. So do most of your peers.
0:42:24 > 0:42:27I brought you something.
0:42:27 > 0:42:29Don't worry. It's not a parcel bomb.
0:42:29 > 0:42:32It's some research. I'd like your opinion on it.
0:42:32 > 0:42:36I've already reviewed your work on the triad.
0:42:36 > 0:42:39This is different.
0:42:41 > 0:42:44- I don't think it's a good idea. - I need your help, Leo.
0:42:45 > 0:42:48We've had our differences, but you're a half-decent pathologist
0:42:48 > 0:42:51and I know you're strong.
0:42:57 > 0:43:00I know you'll do what's right.
0:43:51 > 0:43:53Mum?
0:43:59 > 0:44:01Mum?
0:44:36 > 0:44:38Where did these come from?
0:44:38 > 0:44:41I don't know. All over.
0:44:43 > 0:44:45It came from Arnold Mears.
0:44:46 > 0:44:49- I thought he was in prison. - He is.
0:44:49 > 0:44:53She goes to him and he gives them to her
0:44:53 > 0:44:58or tells her where to find them.
0:44:58 > 0:45:01- I don't know. It's sick. - But why?
0:45:05 > 0:45:07So, these bones belong to...?
0:45:07 > 0:45:09You tell me.
0:45:09 > 0:45:12You take 'em away with you.
0:45:12 > 0:45:15Do your tests or whatever. Just...
0:45:17 > 0:45:19...just get them out this house.
0:45:19 > 0:45:23OK, but the police will want to interview you and your mother.
0:45:23 > 0:45:24What are you doing?
0:45:26 > 0:45:27Who's she?
0:45:27 > 0:45:31- My name's Nikki Alexander. I... - She's a friend, Mum.
0:45:31 > 0:45:34- I'm a pathologist. - Why did you bring her here?
0:45:34 > 0:45:36- Get out! Out! - Mum, look. Look, Mum.
0:45:36 > 0:45:40- She can help us.- No-one can help. You're just making things worse.
0:45:40 > 0:45:43I've seen the bones now, Mrs Farmer. Throwing me out won't do any good.
0:45:45 > 0:45:47Is it true that Arnold Mears has given them to you?
0:45:49 > 0:45:51Why haven't you told anybody?
0:45:51 > 0:45:53Because he said I shouldn't.
0:45:53 > 0:45:56But you do know that they're human bones?
0:45:56 > 0:45:57Course.
0:45:59 > 0:46:01I just wanted to help.
0:46:01 > 0:46:03Help who?
0:46:03 > 0:46:06The families.
0:46:08 > 0:46:10The families of those poor girls.
0:46:10 > 0:46:14You do understand what you're charged with?
0:46:17 > 0:46:21- You're in a lot of trouble, Arnold. - Do you understand that?
0:46:22 > 0:46:24You look kind.
0:46:26 > 0:46:28I like you.
0:46:32 > 0:46:35Somebody decided he was vulnerable.
0:46:36 > 0:46:39They said he needed help in the interviews with the detectives.
0:46:39 > 0:46:42An appropriate adult, it's called.
0:46:42 > 0:46:48I'd done a course to try and get a bit more money, so one day...
0:46:48 > 0:46:50I got a call.
0:46:51 > 0:46:53He was my first one.
0:46:53 > 0:46:55And my last.
0:46:55 > 0:47:00What we want to know, Arnold, about this body,
0:47:00 > 0:47:04is why you sawed the head and arms off that poor girl.
0:47:06 > 0:47:09- No comment. - No comment?
0:47:10 > 0:47:14A girl of 17 is found dismembered under your workshop
0:47:14 > 0:47:16and you can't tell us what you did?
0:47:19 > 0:47:21Arnold.
0:47:21 > 0:47:24Arnold, pay attention to me.
0:47:25 > 0:47:27I need a break.
0:47:27 > 0:47:30Arnold, you've had a break.
0:47:30 > 0:47:32I'm starting a headache.
0:47:41 > 0:47:45They can't talk to me if my appropriate adult isn't with me.
0:47:45 > 0:47:48It's like we were a couple.
0:47:48 > 0:47:54"They, hand in hand, with wand'ring steps and slow
0:47:54 > 0:47:57"Through Eden
0:47:57 > 0:47:59"Took their solitary way."
0:48:00 > 0:48:02What is that?
0:48:02 > 0:48:05That's Paradise Lost.
0:48:06 > 0:48:09The greatest poem in the English language.
0:48:19 > 0:48:20Thanks, Annie.
0:48:26 > 0:48:29He really loved that poem. Read it all the way through the trial,
0:48:29 > 0:48:32didn't listen to anything anybody said.
0:48:32 > 0:48:35But after the trial... I don't understand.
0:48:35 > 0:48:37Surely you didn't have to see him then?
0:48:37 > 0:48:39The day after he was sentenced, he asked if we could meet.
0:48:39 > 0:48:42One last time, just to say goodbye.
0:48:42 > 0:48:44- And you went? - Well, I...I didn't want to.
0:48:44 > 0:48:49But, um...he said he wanted to repair the damage he'd done.
0:48:51 > 0:48:55Wanted me to help him make things better.
0:48:57 > 0:48:59He said there were...
0:48:59 > 0:49:02more bodies than the three he'd been tried for.
0:49:03 > 0:49:06- How many more? - Nine.
0:49:08 > 0:49:10Nine...
0:49:10 > 0:49:12other girls that... that no-one knew anything about
0:49:12 > 0:49:15and...and he wanted to tell me where they were.
0:49:16 > 0:49:19He was going to tell me where they were buried.
0:49:19 > 0:49:20Not straight away.
0:49:20 > 0:49:24Um...he said he had to test me.
0:49:24 > 0:49:26See if he could trust me.
0:49:26 > 0:49:28He was going to give me...
0:49:28 > 0:49:31souvenirs, he called 'em.
0:49:33 > 0:49:35Little...bones...
0:49:35 > 0:49:38that he... that he got from the other girls
0:49:38 > 0:49:40he buried separately.
0:49:42 > 0:49:44It's the mums and dads.
0:49:44 > 0:49:47That's who I'm thinking about.
0:49:47 > 0:49:50Wondering where their little one's buried.
0:49:51 > 0:49:53What are you suggesting?
0:49:53 > 0:49:56These families are in pain.
0:49:56 > 0:49:58And you can help.
0:50:00 > 0:50:02Why me?
0:50:02 > 0:50:04Because you're an angel.
0:50:09 > 0:50:12That's how it started.
0:50:12 > 0:50:14- And you never told the police? - Tried to get her to.
0:50:15 > 0:50:19Did he ever tell you where the bodies of the girls were?
0:50:19 > 0:50:21No. No, never.
0:50:21 > 0:50:23Never told her anything.
0:50:25 > 0:50:27You made me a promise.
0:50:28 > 0:50:31You promised me you'd tell me where those girls are.
0:50:31 > 0:50:33A solemn promise.
0:50:34 > 0:50:37I am keeping my promise, Angel Annie.
0:50:37 > 0:50:40No. No, you're not. You've given me nothing.
0:50:40 > 0:50:44I...I can't do this any more. I'm not strong enough.
0:50:44 > 0:50:47So, just tell the police instead.
0:50:47 > 0:50:51No. I'm not talking to them.
0:50:51 > 0:50:54It has to be you.
0:50:54 > 0:51:01If the police get involved, those families will stay in hell for ever.
0:51:01 > 0:51:05He said I had to wait, said I mustn't tell.
0:51:08 > 0:51:10And now I have.
0:51:12 > 0:51:16- If you'll let me take the bones... - No, no.
0:51:16 > 0:51:17- ...then I can test them... - Mum.
0:51:17 > 0:51:21Find out whose they are. You can give the families some peace,
0:51:21 > 0:51:24even if we don't locate where the bodies are buried.
0:51:24 > 0:51:27And what if he finds out?
0:51:27 > 0:51:29Arnold Mears need never know.
0:51:29 > 0:51:32- Really? - I think so.
0:51:32 > 0:51:35Then you wouldn't have to keep going to see him.
0:52:28 > 0:52:30EXHALES
0:52:43 > 0:52:46"Farewell, happy fields
0:52:46 > 0:52:49"Where joy forever dwells
0:52:49 > 0:52:52"Hail, horrors Hail, Infernal world!
0:52:52 > 0:52:57"And thou, profoundest Hell Receive thy new possessor..."
0:53:01 > 0:53:02CLINKING
0:53:51 > 0:53:53SAWING
0:53:59 > 0:54:04"Be this, or aught Than this more secret now design'd
0:54:04 > 0:54:07"I haste To know.
0:54:07 > 0:54:12"And, this once known, shall soon return
0:54:12 > 0:54:14"And bring thee to the place where thou and Death
0:54:14 > 0:54:17"Shall dwell at ease..."
0:54:20 > 0:54:21Very good, Arnold.
0:54:23 > 0:54:28"And bring ye to the place where thou and Death
0:54:28 > 0:54:30"Shall dwell at ease..."
0:54:30 > 0:54:34You take such an interest in me, Doctor.
0:54:34 > 0:54:36Is that professional?
0:54:36 > 0:54:38Or personal?
0:54:54 > 0:54:56Of course, I forget.
0:54:56 > 0:55:00You're intimate with all your patients.
0:55:04 > 0:55:07- Did you feel anything? - When?
0:55:07 > 0:55:09When...
0:55:10 > 0:55:11With the women.
0:55:11 > 0:55:14You mean, when I cut them?
0:55:14 > 0:55:15Yes.
0:55:17 > 0:55:20Did I feel anything?
0:55:22 > 0:55:23Do you?
0:55:53 > 0:55:55GLASS CLINKS
0:55:55 > 0:56:00"...Hail, horrors! Hail, Infernal world!
0:56:00 > 0:56:04"And thou, profoundest Hell Receive thy new possessor
0:56:04 > 0:56:09"One who brings A mind not to be chang'd by place or time
0:56:10 > 0:56:12"The mind is its own place
0:56:12 > 0:56:17"And in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell
0:56:17 > 0:56:19"A Hell of Heaven..."
0:56:34 > 0:56:37Mears told Annie that he's killed 12 girls altogether.
0:56:37 > 0:56:38And you believe him?
0:56:38 > 0:56:41I don't know, but it's worth finding out more, isn't it?
0:56:41 > 0:56:45But if you won't help, he will destroy my mum.
0:56:46 > 0:56:48She came to see me last night.
0:56:50 > 0:56:53"And bring ye to the place where thou and Death
0:56:53 > 0:56:55"Shall dwell at ease..."
0:56:55 > 0:56:57Paradise Lost.
0:56:57 > 0:57:00She was very interested in Arnold Mears.
0:57:00 > 0:57:03She interviewed him for 40 hours.
0:57:03 > 0:57:04Do you think you remember her?
0:57:07 > 0:57:09You didn't tell him about Tina, did you?
0:57:09 > 0:57:13We were just glad to put him away and forget about him.
0:57:14 > 0:57:16And I suggest you do the same.
0:57:16 > 0:57:18This is a scan of Arnold Mears's brain.
0:57:18 > 0:57:20- Wow, look at that. - Scarring.
0:57:20 > 0:57:24You're not answering my calls, Annie. Are you bored of me?
0:57:24 > 0:57:28Some women probably do find you interesting.
0:57:28 > 0:57:30Exciting.
0:57:30 > 0:57:31Do you?
0:57:33 > 0:57:40# Testator silens
0:57:40 > 0:57:47# Costestes e spiritu
0:57:47 > 0:57:55# Silentium... #
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