0:00:02 > 0:00:04We've seen fragments before, enough to confirm that he kept journals,
0:00:04 > 0:00:07but nothing like this. Are they just fantasies that sustain him?
0:00:07 > 0:00:10Or are they a record of nine more murders?
0:00:10 > 0:00:12The police say they have a confession,
0:00:12 > 0:00:14that you made a number of admissions.
0:00:14 > 0:00:16I... I don't remember any of that.
0:00:16 > 0:00:18- I understand he's conscious. - Yes,
0:00:18 > 0:00:20but there is an issue.
0:00:20 > 0:00:23It seems Mr Spector suffered some memory loss.
0:00:23 > 0:00:26- Are we supposed to be taking this seriously?- I think we have to.
0:00:26 > 0:00:29- Do you know who that is?- No.
0:00:29 > 0:00:30You will be held
0:00:30 > 0:00:33on remand in hospital until arrangements can be made to
0:00:33 > 0:00:36transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic.
0:00:36 > 0:00:38If she told the truth in the first place,
0:00:38 > 0:00:41about Spector's whereabouts, then perhaps
0:00:41 > 0:00:44Rose Stagg would not have been put through the ordeal that she has.
0:00:44 > 0:00:45Drink it all up.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48Good girl.
0:00:48 > 0:00:50Why are you so kind to me?
0:00:50 > 0:00:52If I've done the things that the police say I've done
0:00:52 > 0:00:53then I'm a monster.
0:00:53 > 0:00:55It's my job.
0:00:55 > 0:00:57He's just the sort of person who would feign
0:00:57 > 0:01:00amnesia if he felt that there was something to be gained from it,
0:01:00 > 0:01:03'even for the sheer delight of duping people, particularly experts.'
0:01:03 > 0:01:05Someone like me, for example.
0:01:09 > 0:01:11I found a murder that looks promising.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14Law student, Susan Harper.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17The only problem is, there is someone doing time for it.
0:01:17 > 0:01:18I'll pray for you.
0:01:21 > 0:01:28This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting
0:02:18 > 0:02:20SHE GASPS
0:02:26 > 0:02:27SHE GASPS
0:02:36 > 0:02:38SHE GASPS
0:03:10 > 0:03:11Rise and shine.
0:03:20 > 0:03:21Time to get up.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27Stella, for star.
0:03:28 > 0:03:30Five more minutes, Daddy, please.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37RAPID BEEPING
0:05:15 > 0:05:17There are no scratches or nail marks on
0:05:17 > 0:05:22the soft parts of the victim's face, no bruising or lacerations to
0:05:22 > 0:05:26the mouth or nose to suggest they were held closed by a hand.
0:05:26 > 0:05:28The original case file suggests
0:05:28 > 0:05:31that David Alvarez suffocated her using a pillow.
0:05:31 > 0:05:33There was no saliva, blood or tissue cells
0:05:33 > 0:05:35on any of the pillows, were there?
0:05:35 > 0:05:37They could have been washed.
0:05:38 > 0:05:39Yes, they could.
0:05:42 > 0:05:43Do we have the toxicology report?
0:05:43 > 0:05:44Page five, Ma'am.
0:05:49 > 0:05:50When was the report done?
0:05:50 > 0:05:54Susan Harper's body was found cool to the touch on a Monday morning.
0:05:54 > 0:05:58Toxicology was 24 hours later, during autopsy.
0:05:58 > 0:06:01Tests 24 hours after that on the Wednesday.
0:06:01 > 0:06:03Based on these figures,
0:06:03 > 0:06:05I'd say the victim took cocaine
0:06:05 > 0:06:08within hours, minutes, even, from death.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13Do we have anything at all to put Paul Spector
0:06:13 > 0:06:16or Peter Baldwin in London in 2002?
0:06:16 > 0:06:18Nothing as yet, Ma'am.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28Was there a plastic bag found at the scene?
0:06:29 > 0:06:30No mention that I've seen.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39Well, Spector is due to be moved today,
0:06:39 > 0:06:45which means the next part of his assessment is about to begin.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49We have to keep believing that it will go to trial...
0:06:51 > 0:06:53..and when it does, we have to put together
0:06:53 > 0:06:56as strong an evidential case to the PPS as we possibly can.
0:06:58 > 0:07:00We have to be ready.
0:07:02 > 0:07:04The truth of a confession is immaterial.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08What is of crucial importance is how the confession was obtained,
0:07:08 > 0:07:09not whether or not it's true.
0:07:09 > 0:07:11The court must exclude the
0:07:11 > 0:07:13confession if it finds it was obtained by oppression
0:07:13 > 0:07:16or under circumstances likely to render it unreliable.
0:07:16 > 0:07:20I've read the transcripts. I didn't see any signs of oppression.
0:07:20 > 0:07:24I'm not so sure. The circumstances are certainly unusual.
0:07:24 > 0:07:28Why is a Superintendent doing the job of a Constable or Sergeant,
0:07:28 > 0:07:29interviewing a suspect?
0:07:29 > 0:07:31Surely, when you get to her level, you supervise,
0:07:31 > 0:07:34manage and direct the officers, not do their job?
0:07:34 > 0:07:37It was at his request, "Just you, Stella, no-one else."
0:07:37 > 0:07:38That's my point.
0:07:39 > 0:07:42She didn't really use any standard interview techniques.
0:07:42 > 0:07:44She didn't offer psychological excuses
0:07:44 > 0:07:47or minimise the seriousness of Spector's crimes.
0:07:47 > 0:07:49She didn't praise or flatter.
0:07:49 > 0:07:53She even used leading questions that elicited one-word answers.
0:07:53 > 0:07:57Almost not like a police interview at all -
0:07:57 > 0:07:59more like an intimate conversation.
0:07:59 > 0:08:01She didn't need to establish a rapport,
0:08:01 > 0:08:03because their relationship had
0:08:03 > 0:08:05already been established on the phone.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07While they were still hunting him,
0:08:07 > 0:08:10it's claimed Spector and Gibson had private conversations.
0:08:10 > 0:08:13She gave him her personal phone number.
0:08:15 > 0:08:17They even suggest he was in her hotel room.
0:08:18 > 0:08:22Why would he do something so risky just to leave an entry in her diary?
0:08:22 > 0:08:24It speaks of a kind of obsession.
0:08:27 > 0:08:29- RECORDING:- 'Stella?
0:08:32 > 0:08:33'Yes.
0:08:33 > 0:08:36'How nice to hear your voice again.
0:08:39 > 0:08:40'Is that you, Peter?
0:08:41 > 0:08:42'Yes.
0:08:43 > 0:08:45'Why are you calling me?
0:08:45 > 0:08:47'Because I'm looking up at the sky.
0:08:50 > 0:08:53'Stella. Shining star.
0:08:55 > 0:08:57'It's a beautiful night.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59'Made me think of you.'
0:09:01 > 0:09:03Do we have that diary, that entry?
0:09:03 > 0:09:05It hasn't been disclosed so far.
0:09:05 > 0:09:06Get it.
0:09:07 > 0:09:08So...
0:09:10 > 0:09:12..she seduced a confession from him?
0:09:12 > 0:09:13Maybe.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16If you can support what you're suggesting with case law,
0:09:16 > 0:09:19legal principals, I might include it in the brief.
0:09:42 > 0:09:44These are all of the books from Spector's lock-up, Ma'am.
0:10:36 > 0:10:39Ma'am, there's something you should see.
0:10:40 > 0:10:44The wife of the man the police claim is The Belfast Strangler was
0:10:44 > 0:10:48involved in a bizarre incident earlier this morning,
0:10:48 > 0:10:51captured on video by a passer-by as it unfolded.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54Images that some viewers may find disturbing.
0:10:54 > 0:10:59- ON REPORT:- Jeez.- Oh, my God, that's a car.- Hey, hey!- Michael, be careful!
0:11:01 > 0:11:03- Hey, hey!- Oh, my God.
0:11:06 > 0:11:08The car being engulfed by the incoming tide
0:11:08 > 0:11:12belongs to Sally-Ann Spector, 32.
0:11:12 > 0:11:15The windows are raised, the doors are locked.
0:11:15 > 0:11:17Inside are her two children.
0:11:17 > 0:11:18Oh, my God!
0:11:18 > 0:11:20The girl, aged eight, can be heard calling for help.
0:11:20 > 0:11:23- CHILD ON REPORT: - 'Help us, please, help!
0:11:23 > 0:11:24'The lock. Hey, hey!
0:11:24 > 0:11:26'I can't wake up Liam!
0:11:26 > 0:11:28'Please, get it open!
0:11:28 > 0:11:30- WOMAN ON REPORT:- 'Michael!'
0:11:30 > 0:11:31(Jesus Christ.)
0:11:31 > 0:11:33'Mummy!'
0:11:33 > 0:11:35At last, it seems the doors are unlocked
0:11:35 > 0:11:38and the two children are lifted clear and carried to safety.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43In the background, Sally-Ann Spector can be seen walking
0:11:43 > 0:11:46unsteadily away from the car through the shallows.
0:11:48 > 0:11:51- WOMAN ON REPORT:- Over here. - Are you all right? She's so cold.
0:11:51 > 0:11:55A moment later, the car is almost washed away.
0:11:55 > 0:11:57- WOMAN ON REPORT:- Somebody help that woman!
0:12:01 > 0:12:04The family was airlifted by police helicopter to the
0:12:04 > 0:12:08Belfast General Hospital, where Paul Spector is being treated for
0:12:08 > 0:12:11gunshot wounds he sustained in Police cust...
0:12:11 > 0:12:12TV SWITCHES OFF
0:12:15 > 0:12:17How were we to know she was that desperate?
0:12:23 > 0:12:25It's what women do with their anger, Jim.
0:12:27 > 0:12:31They harm themselves or extensions of themselves, their children.
0:12:34 > 0:12:38What frame of mind must she have been in to think that they
0:12:38 > 0:12:39were all better off dead?
0:12:41 > 0:12:45Instead of caring for her, supporting her, all we could do
0:12:45 > 0:12:50was drag her through the courts and threaten her with prison.
0:12:50 > 0:12:52It wasn't just down to me.
0:12:52 > 0:12:55The DPP was of a similar mind.
0:12:57 > 0:12:59Yeah.
0:12:59 > 0:13:01Well, now you can add attempted murder to her list of charges.
0:13:07 > 0:13:08All I ever wanted to do
0:13:08 > 0:13:11was keep those children safe, Stella, that's all!
0:13:17 > 0:13:19MOBILE RINGS
0:13:19 > 0:13:20Healy.
0:13:21 > 0:13:24Right, thanks for letting me know.
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- Spector's wife and children have been taken to the General.- Why?
0:13:28 > 0:13:30It's been on the news. See if you can find it on your phone.
0:14:12 > 0:14:14TOILET FLUSHES
0:14:33 > 0:14:36Point of care testing found benzos in the girl's urine.
0:14:36 > 0:14:38We haven't managed a sample from the other two.
0:14:38 > 0:14:41The son, Liam, is GCS. 12, 13.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44With stimulation, he's rousable.
0:14:44 > 0:14:46Check the summary care record.
0:14:54 > 0:14:56I see she's on the blues.
0:14:56 > 0:14:58Severe anxiety and insomnia.
0:14:58 > 0:15:01Five milligrams TDS, titrating to a maximum of ten,
0:15:01 > 0:15:03review after two weeks.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06So the mother fed the kids the anxiolytics
0:15:06 > 0:15:08and then drove them to the sea.
0:15:08 > 0:15:10Looks like it.
0:15:10 > 0:15:12She's unresponsive, not saying anything.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27Pupils are mid-sized and reactive. How's his blood glucose?
0:15:27 > 0:15:28Normal.
0:15:28 > 0:15:30He might need Flumazenil.
0:15:30 > 0:15:33Let's put him into paediatric ICU to keep an eye on him.
0:15:54 > 0:15:56Right now, she's conscious but not talking.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00I don't think she's fit for psych evaluation yet.
0:16:00 > 0:16:02We're moving the boy up to the kids ICU.
0:16:02 > 0:16:05The girl is awake, she seems OK.
0:16:06 > 0:16:08Have you seen the newsreel footage?
0:16:08 > 0:16:09No.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13It looks like a deliberate attempt to kill herself and her children.
0:16:14 > 0:16:15A cry for help?
0:16:17 > 0:16:18Maybe.
0:16:19 > 0:16:21Can I say hello?
0:16:21 > 0:16:22Sure.
0:16:30 > 0:16:32Hello, Olivia.
0:16:34 > 0:16:35Do you remember me?
0:16:39 > 0:16:41How are you feeling?
0:17:03 > 0:17:05The bullet fragments in Mr Spector's body contained no iron,
0:17:05 > 0:17:07so he had the MRI scan this morning.
0:17:10 > 0:17:13There's an absence of evidence for established infarct...
0:17:14 > 0:17:22..but a suggestion here of a loss of grey white matter differentiation.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24Now that may be in keeping with
0:17:24 > 0:17:27ischaemic insult in the frontal temporal lobe region,
0:17:27 > 0:17:30but I can't say it explains the memory loss.
0:17:32 > 0:17:34I'll pass the results on to Dr Larson
0:17:34 > 0:17:36and he can include them in his assessment.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38Do we know what happened to his wife and children? How are they?
0:17:38 > 0:17:41No serious injury, I think,
0:17:41 > 0:17:43but I'm awaiting a call from the ED Consultant.
0:17:43 > 0:17:45Has Mr Spector been informed?
0:17:45 > 0:17:48Not yet. I'm going to wait for further information.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06I think we have to make a holding statement of some sort.
0:18:06 > 0:18:07Definitely.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10Everyone will have seen it by now.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15Let's...confirm that an incident happened,
0:18:15 > 0:18:17identify the individuals involved.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23Oh, there's nothing else, no speculation about motivation.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26The press will do that for us.
0:18:26 > 0:18:27Yeah.
0:18:30 > 0:18:31Will you handle this, please, Matt?
0:18:33 > 0:18:36I'll sit down with DCI Eastwood and work something out.
0:18:36 > 0:18:38Sound a warning to the press.
0:18:40 > 0:18:41And, Matt...
0:18:43 > 0:18:45Show a human face.
0:19:02 > 0:19:05'Paul, the police claim your'
0:19:05 > 0:19:07fingerprints are on a pair of decorating shears.
0:19:07 > 0:19:10They say the shears, the scissors,
0:19:10 > 0:19:14tested positive for Joe Brawley's DNA, a blood sample.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16They were retrieved from the water...
0:19:16 > 0:19:18here.
0:19:21 > 0:19:23I know where that is, I go running there sometimes.
0:19:23 > 0:19:27Is it possible you came across the scissors while you were running,
0:19:27 > 0:19:28considered them dangerous,
0:19:28 > 0:19:32picked them up and threw them into the water, out of harm's way?
0:19:34 > 0:19:36I don't remember any scissors.
0:19:38 > 0:19:41The one real eye witness is his sister, Annie Brawley.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44After the attack and before you were arrested
0:19:44 > 0:19:45you went to see her in hospital.
0:19:45 > 0:19:47I did? Why?
0:19:47 > 0:19:49She was grieving the death of her brother.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52You were employed by the Alice Monroe Fund
0:19:52 > 0:19:54to offer her support, counselling.
0:19:55 > 0:19:56What happened?
0:19:56 > 0:19:58Nothing. You talked.
0:19:58 > 0:20:00She said you were helpful.
0:20:05 > 0:20:09Hold on. I'm, er, sorry, I'm very confused here.
0:20:10 > 0:20:13This is someone the police say that I attacked?
0:20:13 > 0:20:14Yes.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16Well, why didn't she recognise me?
0:20:16 > 0:20:17I don't know.
0:20:19 > 0:20:23Why would I go and visit someone that I'd attacked?
0:20:23 > 0:20:26What if she recognised me, what if she started screaming?
0:20:29 > 0:20:31It doesn't make sense.
0:20:59 > 0:21:02You do have alibis for all of the murders.
0:21:02 > 0:21:07They have been provided by an individual called Katie Benedetto.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10She claims she had a sexual relationship with you.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15I don't know her. What age is she?
0:21:17 > 0:21:18She's just turned 16.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21She says she was 14 when you first slept together.
0:21:22 > 0:21:24That's not possible.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26A child? That's not possible.
0:21:26 > 0:21:30There are doubts about her credibility as a witness.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33The real issue, Mr Spector, is the confession.
0:21:34 > 0:21:38I think you should hear a little of the recording that was made.
0:21:38 > 0:21:39It might jog your memory.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47STELLA ON TAPE: 'Tell me about the first time.
0:21:49 > 0:21:50'What was it like?
0:21:55 > 0:21:57'It made me sick.
0:21:59 > 0:22:01'The smell disgusted me.
0:22:03 > 0:22:07'The first was the worst and hardest to get over,
0:22:07 > 0:22:10'but a switch had been flicked, a line crossed.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14'Something was done that couldn't be undone.
0:22:16 > 0:22:18'Something that separates you from the common herd.
0:22:20 > 0:22:22'I was ill for four days after.
0:22:24 > 0:22:27'You're in a state of existential shock...
0:22:29 > 0:22:32'..but then you find yourself unchallenged by divine and
0:22:32 > 0:22:34'secular power.
0:22:34 > 0:22:37'OK. So why not do it again...
0:22:39 > 0:22:40'..but better?
0:22:42 > 0:22:44'Tell me, do you speak to them?
0:22:44 > 0:22:46'To the women that you torture and kill?
0:22:49 > 0:22:50'No.
0:22:51 > 0:22:53'Do they die slowly?
0:22:56 > 0:22:57'Yes.
0:22:57 > 0:23:01'Loosening and tightening your grip around their throat?
0:23:02 > 0:23:04'Keeping them suspended between life and death?
0:23:06 > 0:23:08'Yes.
0:23:09 > 0:23:10'Binding them first?
0:23:11 > 0:23:12'Yes.
0:23:14 > 0:23:15'How long do you torture them?'
0:23:15 > 0:23:17Stop it. Please, stop it.
0:23:17 > 0:23:19'Do you inflict sexual acts...'
0:23:23 > 0:23:26That can't be me talking. How would I forget something like that?
0:23:26 > 0:23:28That can't be me.
0:23:29 > 0:23:34There are other recordings, Mr Spector. These are video recordings.
0:23:35 > 0:23:40The prosecution suggest that... they were found on your phone.
0:23:42 > 0:23:45- That you made them.- That's Rose.
0:23:45 > 0:23:46Yes.
0:23:49 > 0:23:51You want to be noticed.
0:23:53 > 0:23:56You want to be paid attention to, make your mark?
0:23:59 > 0:24:03Fine. Hurt me, do whatever you want to me.
0:24:04 > 0:24:06Do your worst.
0:24:06 > 0:24:11Nothing you can do will ever take away how much I love my husband,
0:24:11 > 0:24:13how much I love my children.
0:24:15 > 0:24:19Nothing you can do can make me devalue my life in any way.
0:24:19 > 0:24:21I will celebrate life.
0:24:21 > 0:24:25I love and I am loved and nothing that you...
0:24:30 > 0:24:32'Why the fuck are you watching this?
0:24:33 > 0:24:35'You sick shit.
0:24:36 > 0:24:38'What the fuck is wrong with you?'
0:24:47 > 0:24:48Nurse!
0:24:50 > 0:24:52Nurse!
0:24:53 > 0:24:56Paul, Paul, stop that. Can you step outside, please?
0:24:56 > 0:24:59Paul, that's enough, Paul, focus on your breathing,
0:24:59 > 0:25:00focus on your breath.
0:25:00 > 0:25:03Come on, that's enough. Just in and out.
0:25:03 > 0:25:07Slow breathing, you're OK, Paul. In and out, big, deep breath.
0:25:08 > 0:25:11Yeah that's good, that's it, you're OK.
0:25:27 > 0:25:30Jesus, what have we got ourselves into?
0:25:30 > 0:25:32- You having doubts?- No.
0:25:32 > 0:25:33- You sure?- Yes.
0:25:33 > 0:25:34Because if you are, you can pack up
0:25:34 > 0:25:36- your briefcase and sell houses instead.- I'm not.
0:25:38 > 0:25:39Are you Sean Healy?
0:25:39 > 0:25:40Yes.
0:25:40 > 0:25:42Will you give this to Paul for me?
0:25:42 > 0:25:43Katie?
0:25:43 > 0:25:45Please, just give this to Paul.
0:25:45 > 0:25:47Katie, you're in breach of your bail conditions.
0:25:47 > 0:25:49You're in serious trouble. We can't take that letter from you.
0:25:56 > 0:25:58Katie, stop!
0:26:00 > 0:26:01Katie!
0:26:01 > 0:26:05I can confirm that there has been a serious incident involving
0:26:05 > 0:26:08the wife and the two children of the defendant, Paul Spector.
0:26:08 > 0:26:10All three are currently being treated in the
0:26:10 > 0:26:12Belfast General Hospital.
0:26:12 > 0:26:13Their injuries are not life-threatening.
0:26:13 > 0:26:17In light of the torrent of publicity since Paul Spector was arrested and
0:26:17 > 0:26:22charged, the Police Service Northern Ireland feel bound to urge the media
0:26:22 > 0:26:26to exercise restraint and caution in reporting the details of this case.
0:26:46 > 0:26:47KNOCKING
0:26:48 > 0:26:49Yep.
0:26:49 > 0:26:52We've had a request to disclose your dream diary.
0:26:52 > 0:26:55Sean Healy wants his own handwriting expert
0:26:55 > 0:26:57to examine the entry Spector made.
0:27:01 > 0:27:03He's in hospital,
0:27:03 > 0:27:05he's incapacitated...
0:27:06 > 0:27:07..and yet he's still infecting
0:27:07 > 0:27:10the lives of every person he comes into contact with.
0:27:12 > 0:27:15Everyone who fucking crosses his path.
0:27:22 > 0:27:23He's a contagion.
0:27:28 > 0:27:30Shall I just let them see that page?
0:27:35 > 0:27:38They'll just come back asking for the rest.
0:27:42 > 0:27:43No.
0:27:44 > 0:27:45Clear it with the PPS.
0:27:47 > 0:27:49And if they agree, send all of it.
0:27:55 > 0:27:58'I can't believe that she would harm Livvy.'
0:27:58 > 0:28:00I just don't think she could do that.
0:28:04 > 0:28:07I can picture Sally, nursing her.
0:28:09 > 0:28:12Just... Just so blissfully happy.
0:28:15 > 0:28:16She'd never hurt her.
0:28:18 > 0:28:19Where are you in that picture?
0:28:22 > 0:28:23Where I always am.
0:28:25 > 0:28:27On the outside, looking in.
0:28:30 > 0:28:34When I was unconscious, I was...
0:28:36 > 0:28:37I... I could see myself.
0:28:39 > 0:28:43In this room. I was able to see myself from above,
0:28:43 > 0:28:47lying in the bed, with all the tubes and monitors.
0:28:49 > 0:28:52Have you ever experienced anything like that before?
0:28:53 > 0:28:55Being outside of your body like that?
0:28:58 > 0:29:00When I was young, yes.
0:29:01 > 0:29:06When things got really bad, I used to be able to split myself.
0:29:09 > 0:29:12If I was lucky, a part of me would just drift away.
0:29:13 > 0:29:16To another place, a...better place.
0:29:20 > 0:29:23Have you thought any more about what death means to you?
0:29:26 > 0:29:28What I think can only disappoint you.
0:29:29 > 0:29:30That doesn't matter.
0:29:36 > 0:29:41I think that, just as I didn't exist before I was born...
0:29:43 > 0:29:45..I simply won't exist after I die.
0:29:48 > 0:29:49I can't agree.
0:29:59 > 0:30:02Do you believe that you did the things they say you did?
0:30:05 > 0:30:06Do you?
0:30:11 > 0:30:13If I did, then I wasn't arrested...
0:30:15 > 0:30:16..I was rescued.
0:30:22 > 0:30:23I need you to go to London.
0:30:25 > 0:30:29My boss at the Met, a man called Chris George, Chief Superintendent.
0:30:30 > 0:30:31I just spoke to him.
0:30:31 > 0:30:34He's agreed to sign the authorisations you will need
0:30:34 > 0:30:36to access the Susan Harper files.
0:30:36 > 0:30:38He's agreed to reopen the case?
0:30:38 > 0:30:41He's agreed to let us look at the files.
0:30:41 > 0:30:44There's a flight leaving Belfast City in just over an hour.
0:30:49 > 0:30:50Will your arm be all right?
0:30:53 > 0:30:54Yeah.
0:30:57 > 0:30:58Take Ferrington.
0:31:01 > 0:31:04These notes cover wound care and list the medications you're on.
0:31:04 > 0:31:07You've had four days of broad intravenous antibiotics,
0:31:07 > 0:31:10but I must remind you, because of the loss of your spleen,
0:31:10 > 0:31:13you will be on lifelong prophylactic antibiotics.
0:31:16 > 0:31:19Is there any chance I could see my son before I go?
0:31:35 > 0:31:36Which one is he?
0:31:37 > 0:31:38Just there.
0:32:05 > 0:32:06Do you remember him?
0:32:14 > 0:32:16Do you think he looks like me?
0:32:19 > 0:32:20A little bit, maybe.
0:32:24 > 0:32:25Paul.
0:32:43 > 0:32:44I can walk.
0:32:45 > 0:32:46Hospital policy.
0:32:48 > 0:32:50Sit in the chair.
0:33:09 > 0:33:10Thank you for everything.
0:34:21 > 0:34:25Detective Superintendent Gibson. I'm here to see Dr Larson.
0:34:25 > 0:34:27He's been expecting you. Please sign in.
0:34:32 > 0:34:33Thank you.
0:34:38 > 0:34:40Have I seen you somewhere before?
0:34:45 > 0:34:46You tell me.
0:34:54 > 0:34:57This is Foyle One, where Mr Spector will be housed.
0:34:57 > 0:35:01Doors are kept locked, all areas are monitored by CCTV.
0:35:03 > 0:35:07Staff have lockers here for personal belongings.
0:35:07 > 0:35:09You can leave your mobile phone, any keys here.
0:35:13 > 0:35:16What level of supervision have you set for Spector?
0:35:16 > 0:35:19We have agreed to level two care for Mr Spector -
0:35:19 > 0:35:24continual presence of nursing staff, but privacy granted for bathing.
0:35:24 > 0:35:28All patients in Foyle One are allocated a primary nurse.
0:35:28 > 0:35:29Male?
0:35:29 > 0:35:30Male.
0:35:30 > 0:35:32How many beds are on this ward?
0:35:32 > 0:35:3312 in all.
0:35:34 > 0:35:37All the patients we have on the ward at present have
0:35:37 > 0:35:42access to their rooms at all times, except when they're being cleaned.
0:35:42 > 0:35:45Some patients have keys to lock their bedroom doors,
0:35:45 > 0:35:46but staff carry override keys.
0:35:48 > 0:35:49This way, please.
0:35:54 > 0:35:58Most of the patients are on pharmacological therapy.
0:35:59 > 0:36:03We'll assess the need for a drug strategy for Mr Spector.
0:36:03 > 0:36:06Care and treatment is provided by a multidisciplinary team,
0:36:06 > 0:36:09but I will do the legal assessments.
0:36:11 > 0:36:13Yeah, Mr Spector is here now.
0:36:13 > 0:36:16- There's coffee here, please help yourself.- Thank you.
0:36:16 > 0:36:18I'm going to greet him.
0:37:09 > 0:37:15Mr Spector, I'm August Larson, the lead clinician here.
0:37:15 > 0:37:16Follow me, please.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47Nurse Ritchie will orientate you.
0:37:49 > 0:37:52I will be along to talk to you in a little while.
0:37:53 > 0:37:54Follow me, Paul.
0:38:09 > 0:38:11There's some toiletries for you there.
0:38:11 > 0:38:15And that's your information on ward routines, policies and procedures.
0:38:21 > 0:38:22Are you hungry?
0:38:23 > 0:38:25I haven't been eating much.
0:38:25 > 0:38:27I'd like some water.
0:38:27 > 0:38:28I'll get you some.
0:38:46 > 0:38:48Do you have time to talk?
0:38:48 > 0:38:49Yes.
0:38:49 > 0:38:50Have a seat, please.
0:38:52 > 0:38:53Actually I...
0:38:55 > 0:38:57- I have some things I want to show you.- Hmm?
0:39:25 > 0:39:27And you're certain these are his work?
0:39:29 > 0:39:30Yes.
0:39:39 > 0:39:40Is this his poem?
0:39:41 > 0:39:42I think so.
0:39:44 > 0:39:46"Dark voices tonight...
0:39:47 > 0:39:50"..foreign ladies talking to dangerous men.
0:39:51 > 0:39:53"Their eyes are lunar divisions.
0:39:54 > 0:39:56"They lie on dead sheets.
0:39:57 > 0:39:59"A drunken midnight approach.
0:40:01 > 0:40:04"Her smile is a crooked lamplight.
0:40:05 > 0:40:06"Red lips parting...
0:40:08 > 0:40:11"..soft vowels begging...
0:40:11 > 0:40:13"feeding the night."
0:40:19 > 0:40:21Some clean clothes for you.
0:40:36 > 0:40:37Is this his, too?
0:40:39 > 0:40:40"I don't believe in love.
0:40:42 > 0:40:46"At least, I believe in love, but not in happiness.
0:40:47 > 0:40:51"The only love that lasts is unhappy love."
0:40:52 > 0:40:54Again, I think it must be him.
0:40:56 > 0:40:58I haven't found either on an internet search.
0:41:00 > 0:41:03There are some things in there that are new to me.
0:41:04 > 0:41:08He writes at one point about the battle,
0:41:08 > 0:41:11as he perceives it, between "good Paul" and "bad Paul".
0:41:13 > 0:41:19He describes standing back, being a spectator of his own actions,
0:41:19 > 0:41:22that there's an observing self and a participating self.
0:41:32 > 0:41:36There is a dazzling array of perversions.
0:41:36 > 0:41:41I mean, beyond the sadism and the overwhelming fetishism
0:41:41 > 0:41:43with female underwear.
0:41:43 > 0:41:45He was a voyeur,
0:41:45 > 0:41:47a transvestite...
0:41:47 > 0:41:51into autoeroticism and necrophilia.
0:41:51 > 0:41:53There's also signs of pygmalionism -
0:41:53 > 0:41:56his obsession with mannequins and dolls.
0:41:57 > 0:42:00I've sometimes wondered if he
0:42:00 > 0:42:03breathed air into his dying victims
0:42:03 > 0:42:05to prolong their lives...
0:42:06 > 0:42:09..so that they could see clearly that he was going to kill them.
0:42:19 > 0:42:25When young children are abused, they experience fear and anxiety.
0:42:25 > 0:42:31They then attempt to contain those feelings by acting out sadistically.
0:42:32 > 0:42:34If a person is able to do to others
0:42:34 > 0:42:38what he fears may be done to him, he may no longer be afraid.
0:42:41 > 0:42:43You assume he was abused?
0:42:44 > 0:42:46He was in Gortnacull, I think?
0:42:48 > 0:42:54Doctor, I understand that for you he's a patient, an abused child,
0:42:54 > 0:42:59someone who deserves understanding and compassion, even.
0:43:01 > 0:43:06But to me, he's a... He's a sexual predator,
0:43:06 > 0:43:09and it's my job to protect the potential victims
0:43:09 > 0:43:11from the threat that he poses.
0:43:18 > 0:43:22Viewed from a psychodynamic perspective,
0:43:22 > 0:43:25even the most apparently insane violence
0:43:25 > 0:43:28has meaning in the mind of the person who commits it.
0:43:29 > 0:43:33I have to try to understand that meaning and learn from it
0:43:33 > 0:43:37in the attempt to prevent further violence.
0:43:38 > 0:43:39Yeah.
0:43:41 > 0:43:44Just don't underestimate the threat...
0:43:45 > 0:43:48..the danger that Paul Spector represents.
0:43:48 > 0:43:50I won't.
0:44:01 > 0:44:04Do you have an idea about Mr Spector's pre-morbid IQ?
0:44:05 > 0:44:08He was tested as a child
0:44:08 > 0:44:11and scored in the very superior intelligence band.
0:44:13 > 0:44:14Thank you.
0:44:14 > 0:44:16It's been a pleasure talking to you.
0:44:29 > 0:44:32Psychiatry needs feedback from patients.
0:44:32 > 0:44:37It's realised in interpersonal contacts, so trust is essential.
0:44:38 > 0:44:40It is not my place to judge him
0:44:40 > 0:44:42for what he may or may not have done,
0:44:42 > 0:44:45but I will try to get to the truth of the matter
0:44:45 > 0:44:47for the courts and for you.
0:44:49 > 0:44:50He is going to prison.
0:44:52 > 0:44:54Let me show you out.
0:44:57 > 0:44:59BELL RINGS
0:44:59 > 0:45:02MAN: All right, boys. Out you come.
0:45:02 > 0:45:05INDISTINCT CHATTER
0:45:08 > 0:45:11You should try to eat some fruit at least.
0:45:59 > 0:46:02CHATTERING AND LAUGHING
0:46:21 > 0:46:24- Rose Stagg is waiting for you, Ma'am.- Oh, right.
0:46:24 > 0:46:25She's in the interview room.
0:46:25 > 0:46:27What's... What's happening with the Benedetto girl?
0:46:27 > 0:46:30She's in custody, due in court again tomorrow.
0:46:30 > 0:46:33Will you sit in with us, Gail?
0:46:33 > 0:46:34Yes, Ma'am.
0:46:37 > 0:46:40'What's the next thing that you remember?'
0:46:41 > 0:46:47Darkness. And movement - being thrown around.
0:46:50 > 0:46:53I think he must have drugged me when he gave me water.
0:46:56 > 0:47:00It took me a while to work out what was happening...
0:47:00 > 0:47:03that I was in the car, in the boot of a car.
0:47:05 > 0:47:07It was terrifying.
0:47:07 > 0:47:11I was thrown around horribly, particularly towards the end.
0:47:11 > 0:47:16I felt like a rag doll. Every bump made me cry out.
0:47:18 > 0:47:22Then the car stopped, the engine was turned off.
0:47:25 > 0:47:27The driver's door opened...
0:47:30 > 0:47:32..and then silence.
0:47:34 > 0:47:38I waited and waited... but nothing happened.
0:47:42 > 0:47:44I realised I'd been left there alone.
0:47:47 > 0:47:52There were some old water bottles in the boot so at first I could drink.
0:47:54 > 0:47:56But then there was none left.
0:47:58 > 0:48:00I tried to pull the brake lights out
0:48:00 > 0:48:04to let in more air, but I couldn't shift them.
0:48:06 > 0:48:08I felt so weak.
0:48:09 > 0:48:10There was no air.
0:48:14 > 0:48:18I became obsessed with the sound of my own breathing.
0:48:19 > 0:48:23I'd fall asleep, but I'd have no idea for how long.
0:48:26 > 0:48:29At first I thought I could tell whether it was day or night
0:48:29 > 0:48:33from the smell of the air,
0:48:33 > 0:48:37but then the air got staler and staler.
0:48:39 > 0:48:42I lost all track of time.
0:48:47 > 0:48:52I tried to think about the kids, but I couldn't focus.
0:48:55 > 0:48:58I felt my brain was shutting down.
0:49:01 > 0:49:08The last thing I remember was thinking that I should burrow,
0:49:08 > 0:49:13that I should dig down into the earth to hide,
0:49:13 > 0:49:15to feel safe and warm.
0:49:17 > 0:49:19Like an animal, digging...
0:49:26 > 0:49:28I don't remember anything after that.
0:49:31 > 0:49:32Thank you.
0:49:39 > 0:49:43Can I talk to you...
0:49:43 > 0:49:45alone?
0:49:45 > 0:49:46Without the tape?
0:49:50 > 0:49:56This is DC Gail McNally suspending the interview at 10.43pm.
0:50:13 > 0:50:15I haven't been...
0:50:17 > 0:50:20I haven't been completely honest with you.
0:50:21 > 0:50:26I led you to believe that after that one time he strangled me,
0:50:26 > 0:50:27that it ended.
0:50:30 > 0:50:32But it didn't.
0:50:34 > 0:50:36I suspected as much.
0:50:41 > 0:50:43It wasn't that simple.
0:50:46 > 0:50:48We went to some dark places.
0:50:50 > 0:50:54The first time it happened, I was giving him...
0:50:55 > 0:50:57I was...using my mouth on him.
0:51:00 > 0:51:03He squeezed his legs around my neck.
0:51:03 > 0:51:06I couldn't breathe. I was...
0:51:09 > 0:51:10Take your time.
0:51:13 > 0:51:14Er...
0:51:21 > 0:51:24He squeezed really tight.
0:51:24 > 0:51:28I thought I was going to pass out but he released me.
0:51:33 > 0:51:36He treated it a bit like a game, at first.
0:51:38 > 0:51:41I'd already begun to think he didn't have much enthusiasm
0:51:41 > 0:51:43for ordinary intercourse...
0:51:45 > 0:51:48..but then things got more serious.
0:51:52 > 0:51:54He asked me to play dead.
0:51:57 > 0:52:00And then there was the time that I told you about.
0:52:01 > 0:52:04I think he revived me, mouth to mouth.
0:52:08 > 0:52:14There were times when he wanted to use a plastic bag on me,
0:52:14 > 0:52:16on himself.
0:52:20 > 0:52:25He said that we all try to live in the light,
0:52:25 > 0:52:29that we all try to build walls around us to block out the darkness,
0:52:29 > 0:52:35the danger that's out there, but it can't be done, it's a lie,
0:52:35 > 0:52:40that in reality there are dark gods out there and that men
0:52:40 > 0:52:44could become gods on earth through a certain kind of sex.
0:52:46 > 0:52:47And women?
0:52:49 > 0:52:54I think so. I'm sorry. I can't really explain it.
0:52:59 > 0:53:01Why did you walk away?
0:53:04 > 0:53:09It felt to me that everything that was happening
0:53:09 > 0:53:11was about pleasing him.
0:53:14 > 0:53:16That it wasn't about me at all.
0:53:19 > 0:53:22I left him and I went back to Tom.
0:53:22 > 0:53:24And what about Spector?
0:53:26 > 0:53:28He went to London, I think.
0:53:30 > 0:53:33Did you and Spector ever do drugs?
0:53:33 > 0:53:36I think I told you that we drank a lot.
0:53:36 > 0:53:37Hm. Cocaine?
0:53:37 > 0:53:41No, not with me, but maybe he did back then.
0:53:49 > 0:53:52My life with Tom couldn't be more different.
0:53:53 > 0:53:57Things have been difficult since the birth of Cody.
0:53:59 > 0:54:01Actually, since my first Caesarean.
0:54:03 > 0:54:05And how are they now?
0:54:07 > 0:54:08It's strange.
0:54:10 > 0:54:16When he talks to me now, I don't really listen to the words
0:54:16 > 0:54:19that he's saying, just to the tone of his voice.
0:54:21 > 0:54:25From that I can work out whether he likes me or not,
0:54:25 > 0:54:28whether he's emotionally close to me.
0:54:34 > 0:54:36Right now, he's angry...
0:54:39 > 0:54:41..and I don't think he likes me very much.
0:54:44 > 0:54:49Rose, there's something I need to tell you.
0:54:57 > 0:55:02I think that...I'm the reason that Paul Spector came after you.
0:55:05 > 0:55:07How?
0:55:09 > 0:55:11I think I...
0:55:13 > 0:55:16I think I revealed your identity as my informant
0:55:16 > 0:55:18when I used his name - Peter.
0:55:19 > 0:55:23The name that you gave me when I spoke to him on the phone.
0:55:27 > 0:55:34Using that name, together with the E-Fit that we had created,
0:55:34 > 0:55:36I think led him straight to you.
0:55:38 > 0:55:42I was trying to convey that...
0:55:43 > 0:55:45..well, that we were on to him.
0:55:47 > 0:55:50I was trying to scare him to stop the attacks.
0:55:53 > 0:55:56And it worked to the extent that he ran,
0:55:56 > 0:56:00but...but when we didn't do anything,
0:56:00 > 0:56:04when we didn't pounce...
0:56:04 > 0:56:06he came after you.
0:56:12 > 0:56:17I hadn't realised your relationship was so meaningful to him.
0:56:24 > 0:56:26He said I was the only one.
0:56:30 > 0:56:32That I was the only girl.
0:56:36 > 0:56:38I believe it.
0:56:56 > 0:57:01I'm glad I'm not the only one to have made mistakes.
0:57:05 > 0:57:08Thank you.
0:57:19 > 0:57:24- IN THE DISTANCE:- Go fuck that! Jesus fucking Christ!
0:57:36 > 0:57:38I'm Mark Bailey.
0:57:40 > 0:57:41Who are you?
0:57:48 > 0:57:50I'm told I'm the Belfast Strangler.
0:57:53 > 0:57:55Are you?
0:57:58 > 0:57:59Maybe.
0:58:00 > 0:58:02Right now, I don't remember.
0:58:08 > 0:58:10Wasn't well. Better now.
0:58:12 > 0:58:14Wasn't well. Better now.
0:58:15 > 0:58:17Wasn't well. Better now.