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0:00:04 > 0:00:07and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting
0:00:07 > 0:00:10- Do you believe you did the things they say you did?- If I did, I wasn't arrested, I was rescued.
0:00:10 > 0:00:14The truth of a confession is immaterial. What's important is how it was obtained.
0:00:14 > 0:00:16I'm suggesting Gibson deliberately provoked him.
0:00:16 > 0:00:20- How were we to know she was that desperate?- Now you can add attempted murder to her list of charges.
0:00:20 > 0:00:22- Are you Sean Healy? - Yes!
0:00:22 > 0:00:24Will you give this to Paul for me?
0:00:24 > 0:00:27DS GIBSON: Paul Spector is due to be moved today.
0:00:27 > 0:00:31The next stage of his assessments are about to begin.
0:00:34 > 0:00:40Mr Spector. I'm August Larson, the lead clinician here.
0:00:40 > 0:00:41I need you to go to London.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44I don't think we can afford to dismiss the connection
0:00:44 > 0:00:47between David Alvarez and Paul Spector.
0:00:47 > 0:00:50We've had a request to disclose your dream diary.
0:00:50 > 0:00:54He's in hospital, he's incapacitated and yet he's still infecting
0:00:54 > 0:00:57the lives of every person he comes into contact with.
0:00:57 > 0:01:02If a person is able to do to others what he fears may be done to him,
0:01:02 > 0:01:04he may no longer be afraid.
0:01:04 > 0:01:07Doctor, I understand that for you he's a patient,
0:01:07 > 0:01:11someone worthy of understanding, compassion, even.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14But to me he's a... He's a sexual predator.
0:01:14 > 0:01:17I'm Mark Bailey, who are you?
0:01:17 > 0:01:19I'm told I'm the Belfast Strangler.
0:01:34 > 0:01:36'Detective Superintendent Gibson?'
0:01:37 > 0:01:40Dr Larson. What can I do for you?
0:01:40 > 0:01:42Mr Spector's defence team
0:01:42 > 0:01:45have sent me some excerpts from your diary.
0:01:45 > 0:01:49The pages where it is alleged Mr Spector made an entry.
0:01:57 > 0:01:58I see.
0:02:00 > 0:02:01'I sense your discomfort.'
0:02:03 > 0:02:07I have no doubt, after seeing the entry he made,
0:02:07 > 0:02:11knowing that he'd read your journal felt like a violation.
0:02:11 > 0:02:13Yes.
0:02:13 > 0:02:16May I ask you,
0:02:16 > 0:02:18how long have you kept a diary?
0:02:19 > 0:02:21All of my life.
0:02:22 > 0:02:25But not really since I've been in Belfast.
0:02:26 > 0:02:27'I don't follow.'
0:02:29 > 0:02:33What Spector wrote in was more of a dream journal.
0:02:34 > 0:02:37'Why do you keep a dream journal?'
0:02:39 > 0:02:41Why do you want to know?
0:02:43 > 0:02:44Curiosity, probably.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49'Initially, I kept it as an investigative tool.'
0:02:51 > 0:02:54I trained myself to wake up in the middle of the night and...
0:02:56 > 0:02:57..write down random thoughts.
0:02:57 > 0:03:04Then I guess since then, it's become a compulsion, of sorts.
0:03:06 > 0:03:09So you see dreams as a kind of problem-solving?
0:03:10 > 0:03:17I think maybe the sleeping brain makes connections more quickly than the waking mind does.
0:03:19 > 0:03:20'That is certainly possible.'
0:03:24 > 0:03:26I will treat the entries with respect.
0:03:27 > 0:03:28Thank you.
0:03:30 > 0:03:32Goodnight, Dr Larson.
0:03:32 > 0:03:34'Goodnight.'
0:05:16 > 0:05:19COMMOTION IN BACKGROUND
0:05:19 > 0:05:21- MAN:- Oi! What's all this!
0:05:40 > 0:05:42HE BREATHES HEAVILY
0:06:07 > 0:06:12- LARSON:- 'Paul Spector, a 32-year-old, right-handed male.'
0:06:12 > 0:06:16Referred from the criminal justice system for appraisal with regard
0:06:16 > 0:06:19to his fitness to plead and stand trial.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23The charge sheet gives you an idea of the alleged crimes.
0:06:25 > 0:06:26Shot in police custody,
0:06:26 > 0:06:31he underwent a splenectomy so we should be mindful
0:06:31 > 0:06:35of his post-operative condition and ongoing medical needs.
0:06:36 > 0:06:40'In hospital, after regaining consciousness, he presented
0:06:40 > 0:06:45'with severe retrograde amnesia in the absence of significant
0:06:45 > 0:06:46'anterograde amnesia.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51'I'm told Paul Spector never knew his biological father.
0:06:52 > 0:06:54'His mother, Mary Garrison,
0:06:54 > 0:06:58'committed suicide when he was eight years old.
0:07:01 > 0:07:02'She hanged herself.'
0:07:04 > 0:07:08After a period of two years in a foster home that appears
0:07:08 > 0:07:11to have been a stable and safe environment,
0:07:12 > 0:07:15he was transferred to Gortnacull House.
0:07:15 > 0:07:17He was there for three years.
0:07:18 > 0:07:22At 13 he was sent to another home in the South -
0:07:22 > 0:07:24Dundalk, County Louth.
0:07:25 > 0:07:31Apart from a very agitated first wake up and a violent emotional
0:07:31 > 0:07:36response to being presented with some of the evidence against him,
0:07:36 > 0:07:40the hospital reports him having been docile,
0:07:40 > 0:07:44co-operative - friendly, even.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49It is also very possible he is someone who acts out
0:07:49 > 0:07:52in a dangerous and illegal manner.
0:07:52 > 0:07:56'The police officer Detective Superintendent Gibson...
0:07:57 > 0:08:01'..who at this stage might well be the person who knows him best,
0:08:01 > 0:08:05'suggests he has a narcissistic, sadistic personality.'
0:08:06 > 0:08:11With regard to his memory loss, he could be feigning,
0:08:11 > 0:08:16exaggerating or simply malingering.
0:08:17 > 0:08:22So I suggest we approach Mr Spector with...
0:08:22 > 0:08:24respectful scepticism.
0:08:27 > 0:08:31The daily structure is 8 to 9, breakfast, 9 to 10, self-care tasks,
0:08:31 > 0:08:34washing, dressing, laundry, bed-making.
0:08:34 > 0:08:3710 to 12 is therapy or a 45-minute activity -
0:08:37 > 0:08:38art, music whatever.
0:08:38 > 0:08:4012 to 2 is lunch and rest period.
0:08:40 > 0:08:452 to 4 is therapy or further activity - life skills,
0:08:45 > 0:08:49relaxation, self-awareness, cooking.
0:08:49 > 0:08:525 to 6.30 is dinner and rest.
0:08:52 > 0:08:56And 6.30 to 9.30 is leisure - pool, watching a movie.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59Back in your room at 9.30. Lights out at 10.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02Dr Larson will see you later this morning.
0:09:02 > 0:09:05Collect your breakfast there.
0:09:05 > 0:09:07All right? Eh, wee fry. Just a wee one.
0:09:07 > 0:09:08You all right, mate?
0:09:38 > 0:09:41- KNOCK AT DOOR - Ma'am.- Yeah.
0:09:41 > 0:09:43I have a copy of the letter you asked for.
0:09:45 > 0:09:46Thanks.
0:09:56 > 0:09:59"I probably shouldn't write this letter to you but this is
0:09:59 > 0:10:03"hard evidence to you that I exist, exist for you, Paul.
0:10:04 > 0:10:09"I can feel you all over me, like that night in your study,
0:10:09 > 0:10:13"I feel you crawling through my veins, through my mind,
0:10:13 > 0:10:17"you grab and suffocate my thoughts.
0:10:17 > 0:10:20"I am in pain for your pleasure.
0:10:20 > 0:10:25"I have forsaken my friends, I have forsaken my family,
0:10:25 > 0:10:27"I am choosing my next move carefully.
0:10:29 > 0:10:31"Their love is fake.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34"Fuck everyone who wants me to step into the light.
0:10:34 > 0:10:36"It will burn my skin off.
0:10:36 > 0:10:39"The skin that I will carve our poetry into
0:10:39 > 0:10:40"so you will be with me for ever.
0:10:42 > 0:10:46"I yearn for you when I stare into the starless midnight.
0:10:46 > 0:10:48"You are the vast expanse of the sky.
0:10:49 > 0:10:53"I don't regret a thing, because the pain is all for you.
0:10:53 > 0:10:57"I will still love you when I finally know everything about you.
0:10:57 > 0:10:58"That's true love."
0:11:00 > 0:11:02"I fucking hate this.
0:11:02 > 0:11:04"I hate being without you.
0:11:04 > 0:11:07"I would kill them all if I could. Crush them.
0:11:07 > 0:11:10"Crush them and their pathetic lives."
0:11:18 > 0:11:25Ma'am, my client accepts that she has breached her bail conditions. Her attempts to contact Mr Spector,
0:11:25 > 0:11:27the fact that she stayed away from her home address,
0:11:27 > 0:11:29breaching her curfew.
0:11:29 > 0:11:31But there are mitigating factors,
0:11:31 > 0:11:34Ma'am, that I'd like to draw your attention to.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37The defendant lost her father when she was aged 13
0:11:37 > 0:11:39in a motorcycle accident,
0:11:39 > 0:11:41a shockingly violent accident.
0:11:41 > 0:11:44She is now just 16 years old and the best place for her
0:11:44 > 0:11:46to be at this difficult time is at home.
0:11:46 > 0:11:50Her mother, who is present today in court, is prepared to stand surety.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53I have checked with the police and they are happy as to
0:11:53 > 0:11:56the source of the monies offered by Mrs Benedetto to support the
0:11:56 > 0:11:58suretyship, namely savings she has accumulated to...
0:11:58 > 0:12:01Mr McSwain, let me just stop you there.
0:12:01 > 0:12:05Now, your client is not just in breach of her bail conditions,
0:12:05 > 0:12:07she is alleged by the prosecution
0:12:07 > 0:12:11to have committed another very serious offence -
0:12:11 > 0:12:14throwing a corrosive fluid with intent to harm.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16Had it not been for the quick thinking of a friend, who irrigated
0:12:16 > 0:12:21her eyes with a drink, the victim might well have lost her sight.
0:12:21 > 0:12:24Now, I feel I have no choice, therefore, other than to remand her
0:12:24 > 0:12:27to the Seapark Juvenile Justice Centre in Bangor.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29There she will be appointed a case manager and
0:12:29 > 0:12:31a key worker who can assess her needs.
0:12:31 > 0:12:34She will be able to attend school also, if she so wishes.
0:12:34 > 0:12:37I don't care what you do, or what you think, or say.
0:12:37 > 0:12:38HE WHISPERS
0:12:38 > 0:12:41The only one who's honest is Paul.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44He's the only person I choose to listen to,
0:12:44 > 0:12:47the only person who sees this world for what it really is.
0:12:48 > 0:12:52Full of sheep like you being fattened for slaughter.
0:12:52 > 0:12:55Pigs waiting for the butcher.
0:12:55 > 0:12:58You have a lawyer to look after your interests.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01Any issues you may have, you address them through him.
0:13:01 > 0:13:04Fuck you. Fuck you all.
0:13:04 > 0:13:06Security, please!
0:13:15 > 0:13:21- You requested all the Susan Harper files?- That's right.- This is everything that we have here.
0:13:21 > 0:13:22Well, thank you.
0:13:37 > 0:13:43OK, so this is what I'm thinking. We lodge civil proceedings and make an abuse of process application.
0:13:43 > 0:13:44Adverse publicity?
0:13:44 > 0:13:47That certainly, but also police misconduct.
0:13:47 > 0:13:49Specifically, Detective Superintendent Gibson.
0:13:49 > 0:13:52I want you to draw together all the strands of police and
0:13:52 > 0:13:55prosecution behaviour that has been questionable.
0:13:55 > 0:13:59- Starting with the stage-managed arrest?- Before that.
0:13:59 > 0:14:02From the point the investigation assumed his guilt and focused
0:14:02 > 0:14:03on him and him alone.
0:14:05 > 0:14:08Stage managing the arrest, the additional sexual oppression,
0:14:08 > 0:14:11the failure to bring him to court promptly once he was charged,
0:14:11 > 0:14:15all of it a vendetta from the start against our client.
0:14:15 > 0:14:18Do you think that adds up to misconduct of sufficient gravity?
0:14:18 > 0:14:19To warrant a stay?
0:14:19 > 0:14:22Maybe not, but it will certainly cause a delay.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26We need more than just issues of competency to work with.
0:14:26 > 0:14:29The abuse of process application more than adds up.
0:14:31 > 0:14:36You suspect that Gibson had a previous relationship with Burns.
0:14:38 > 0:14:41It seems she has also had liaisons with other colleagues.
0:14:41 > 0:14:45Spector was in the hotel room when Burns was there with Gibson.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49Let's assume therefore that Spector had knowledge of that relationship.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52He also had access to her dream diary which gave him insights
0:14:52 > 0:14:54into her other liaisons.
0:14:54 > 0:14:58What if the damage this could cause Stella Gibson's career was
0:14:58 > 0:15:03a possible motive for her failure to protect him in the forest?
0:15:03 > 0:15:07Spector's whereabouts were leaked by a detention officer within
0:15:07 > 0:15:09the custody suite.
0:15:09 > 0:15:11What if Gibson was in on that leak?
0:15:11 > 0:15:15What if Spector's life was deliberately put at risk by Gibson
0:15:15 > 0:15:16through police misconduct?
0:15:16 > 0:15:19Everyone knew Tyler was out there with a loaded gun and
0:15:19 > 0:15:22a clearly stated aim to find and kill Spector.
0:15:22 > 0:15:23And she let it happen.
0:15:25 > 0:15:26Let's make her pay.
0:15:57 > 0:15:59Do you have your own room key?
0:16:01 > 0:16:02No.
0:16:05 > 0:16:06I do.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11I'm allowed to feed the fish in the aquarium.
0:16:14 > 0:16:16I used to help with serving the meals
0:16:16 > 0:16:21but I gave larger portions to people I liked so,
0:16:21 > 0:16:23I'm not allowed to do that any more.
0:16:29 > 0:16:30I have art today, so...
0:16:35 > 0:16:39- HE MUTTERS:- Wasn't well, better now.
0:16:39 > 0:16:41Wasn't well, better now.
0:16:43 > 0:16:45HE SLURPS
0:16:47 > 0:16:53"I don't think there was any criminal intent. She approached you, she invited you back
0:16:53 > 0:16:56"to her place. I'm not saying she was asking for it necessarily,
0:16:56 > 0:16:58"but we've all been there, too much to drink,
0:16:58 > 0:17:01"one thing leads to another, things get out of hand.
0:17:01 > 0:17:03"We're used to dealing with these sorts of offences.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05"We understand how these things can happen."
0:17:05 > 0:17:07What officer is that talking?
0:17:07 > 0:17:09Er, this is Rees.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11"What did she do to anger you, David?
0:17:11 > 0:17:14"Did she insult you? What made it turn nasty?
0:17:16 > 0:17:19"Was she still dressed when you had sex with her?"
0:17:19 > 0:17:21"Alvarez: Maybe."
0:17:21 > 0:17:24"She wasn't was she? She was naked. Did she ask you to tie her up?
0:17:24 > 0:17:28"David? Was she into bondage? Tell us how you killed her."
0:17:28 > 0:17:30"I strangled her."
0:17:30 > 0:17:34"How did you strangle her?" "With my belt."
0:17:34 > 0:17:37"You see, David, if you say that, you're not helping me.
0:17:37 > 0:17:41"You didn't use your belt, did you?" "No." "What did you use?
0:17:42 > 0:17:45"Come on, David, think about what you used."
0:17:45 > 0:17:48"Hathaway: You'd taken your clothes off, David.
0:17:48 > 0:17:50"You were naked, weren't you?"
0:17:51 > 0:17:55"Yes." "So what did you use to strangle her?"
0:17:55 > 0:17:57"Just my hands, just my bare hands."
0:17:57 > 0:18:00"There were no strangulation marks on her neck, David.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03"None. Were there any pillows on the bed, David?"
0:18:03 > 0:18:05"I smothered her.
0:18:05 > 0:18:09"I took a pillow and put it over her face and smothered her."
0:18:09 > 0:18:12I mean, Jesus, there's leading the witness and there's shoving
0:18:12 > 0:18:13words down his throat.
0:18:18 > 0:18:21Why weren't Alvarez's defence all over this?
0:18:23 > 0:18:26- LARSON:- I'm afraid the typical relationship
0:18:26 > 0:18:29between a psychiatrist and patient, where everything that is said
0:18:29 > 0:18:32in this room is confidential, does not apply.
0:18:32 > 0:18:35Anything you tell me can be put in the report.
0:18:35 > 0:18:39Because it is the Court that has asked me to conduct
0:18:39 > 0:18:44the evaluation, you don't have the right to refuse to participate.
0:18:44 > 0:18:48Even if you, for example, choose not to answer my questions,
0:18:48 > 0:18:52I will still need to provide the written report that will be
0:18:52 > 0:18:56sent to the court and made available to your lawyer.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59If the judge orders a hearing on the issue of your competency
0:18:59 > 0:19:02I might be called to testify in court.
0:19:03 > 0:19:05Do you understand?
0:19:05 > 0:19:07Yes, I do. I will answer your questions.
0:19:09 > 0:19:11Good.
0:19:11 > 0:19:12That's good.
0:19:14 > 0:19:17Tom. Have a look at this.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22This was a key part of the prosecution's case.
0:19:22 > 0:19:25That's the victim, Susan Harper, and that's David Alvarez leaving
0:19:25 > 0:19:26the nightclub together.
0:19:33 > 0:19:35Who is that, do you think?
0:19:38 > 0:19:41Do you understand the police's version of events?
0:19:42 > 0:19:44The severity of the charges?
0:19:46 > 0:19:47Yes, I do.
0:19:50 > 0:19:52Do you remember making a confession?
0:19:54 > 0:19:56No.
0:19:58 > 0:20:02Can you provide a reasonable account of your behaviour around the time
0:20:02 > 0:20:04of the various alleged offences?
0:20:06 > 0:20:08No.
0:20:10 > 0:20:12Or your state of mind?
0:20:12 > 0:20:13No.
0:20:21 > 0:20:24Do you think you could manage your emotions and behaviour
0:20:24 > 0:20:25in a courtroom?
0:20:28 > 0:20:29I think I could, yes.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32Do you think you would be able to keep track of events
0:20:32 > 0:20:34as they unfolded?
0:20:37 > 0:20:39Yes.
0:20:40 > 0:20:42Would you be able to challenge witnesses?
0:20:42 > 0:20:47That is, to recognise distortions in witness testimony?
0:20:50 > 0:20:52No, I wouldn't be able to do that.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56Not unless my memory returned.
0:20:57 > 0:21:01Do you understand the sentence that could be imposed on you
0:21:01 > 0:21:02if you are found guilty?
0:21:05 > 0:21:07I would spend the rest of my life in prison.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15Will my memory return, Doctor?
0:21:17 > 0:21:18Do you want it to?
0:21:26 > 0:21:28I might have something significant, ma'am.
0:21:28 > 0:21:30A Peter Baldwin working as a waiter in
0:21:30 > 0:21:33a Caribbean restaurant called the Plantain Garden.
0:21:33 > 0:21:36And the restaurant went bust,
0:21:36 > 0:21:40closed in 2008, but the owner still has his paperwork.
0:21:40 > 0:21:44He had reason to give Peter Baldwin a warning,
0:21:44 > 0:21:46a reprimand that stayed on file.
0:21:47 > 0:21:51It's dated Saturday August the 17th, 2002.
0:21:53 > 0:21:55The day before the Harper murder.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58Why was he reprimanded?
0:21:58 > 0:22:01An argument with a customer that turned nasty, came to blows.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06And the owner positively identified Spector?
0:22:06 > 0:22:08I sent him all the photographs we have on file.
0:22:08 > 0:22:10He seems pretty certain.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12The restaurant was in SW9.
0:22:16 > 0:22:18Susan Harper's flat was in SW16.
0:22:20 > 0:22:22That's Brixton and Streatham.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25Both in Lambeth.
0:22:44 > 0:22:46CHATTER IN BACKGROUND
0:23:05 > 0:23:07I will, thanks for letting us know.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18The police say they have fresh evidence to put to Spector.
0:23:18 > 0:23:20What sort of evidence?
0:23:20 > 0:23:23Forensic, documentary.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25Apparently they have found a lock-up rented by Spector.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28They want to interview him about the contents.
0:23:28 > 0:23:29Oh, fuck!
0:23:29 > 0:23:32I'll need to see proof of that and all the information that was
0:23:32 > 0:23:34placed before the judge to get those warrants.
0:23:34 > 0:23:36Get back to the PPS first thing in the morning.
0:23:36 > 0:23:38I want full disclosure.
0:23:38 > 0:23:41Oh also, contact The Foyle,
0:23:41 > 0:23:44see if Larson thinks Spector's fit to be interviewed.
0:23:46 > 0:23:47Fuck!
0:23:50 > 0:23:55- 'It could be Spector.' - Rose Stagg puts Spector in London at the right time.
0:23:55 > 0:23:57'22 years old, clean-shaven.
0:23:58 > 0:24:00'It's hard to tell.'
0:24:00 > 0:24:02No, it's not.
0:24:02 > 0:24:03That's him.
0:24:04 > 0:24:05I know it's him.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09Well, we couldn't quite believe the interrogation tactics -
0:24:09 > 0:24:11a classic old school interview -
0:24:11 > 0:24:14trickery, deceit, psychological manipulation.
0:24:14 > 0:24:16Alvarez thought he'd be able to go home after confessing.
0:24:16 > 0:24:18And it seems he fell for it all.
0:24:18 > 0:24:20For some reason he seemed eager to please.
0:24:20 > 0:24:22I've no idea why the defence team weren't all over it.
0:24:22 > 0:24:26All the evidence was pretty strong - the only other fingerprints found at
0:24:26 > 0:24:31her flat were Alvarez's and the only DNA recovered from her body was his.
0:24:31 > 0:24:34True, but when it comes to the actual murder they had
0:24:34 > 0:24:38to lead him by the nose to get him to where they wanted him to be.
0:24:38 > 0:24:41He really seemed to lack detailed knowledge.
0:24:41 > 0:24:43I have a good feeling about this.
0:24:45 > 0:24:47I can smell Spector's involvement.
0:24:50 > 0:24:52And when do you see Alvarez?
0:24:52 > 0:24:54In the morning.
0:24:54 > 0:24:55Call me with any developments.
0:24:57 > 0:24:59- Goodnight.- Goodnight.
0:25:11 > 0:25:14MEN PLAYING POOL
0:25:37 > 0:25:41We can order things off the nurses.
0:25:41 > 0:25:42They go shopping twice a week.
0:25:42 > 0:25:46You just give them the money and they'll get you the things you want.
0:25:48 > 0:25:49I don't have any money.
0:25:50 > 0:25:51Oh.
0:25:58 > 0:26:00Why are you in this place?
0:26:04 > 0:26:06Don't tell me if you don't want to.
0:26:07 > 0:26:09I twisted my sister's arm.
0:26:12 > 0:26:15I twisted it so far round it broke.
0:26:16 > 0:26:17Why did you do that?
0:26:19 > 0:26:22I had a haircut.
0:26:22 > 0:26:24It...
0:26:24 > 0:26:27gave me a new personality. It made me more feminine.
0:26:29 > 0:26:32I thought I was turning homosexual.
0:26:32 > 0:26:34When I came home, my sister said I looked gay.
0:26:34 > 0:26:37So I twisted her arm.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40She was screaming and I didn't stop.
0:26:40 > 0:26:42Then it snapped.
0:26:42 > 0:26:44Then I suppose I...panicked.
0:26:48 > 0:26:50How old was she?
0:26:50 > 0:26:53Younger than me.
0:26:53 > 0:26:55- How much younger? - Quite a lot younger.
0:27:00 > 0:27:01What's your diagnosis?
0:27:01 > 0:27:04A psychotic with convulsive disorder.
0:27:07 > 0:27:11They say I had childhood schizophrenia.
0:27:13 > 0:27:15I thought there were hidden messages in the colours of cars
0:27:15 > 0:27:17passing on the street.
0:27:17 > 0:27:21I started communicating with car sounds.
0:27:21 > 0:27:24And then the sounds turned into voices.
0:27:25 > 0:27:27What kind of voices?
0:27:27 > 0:27:32Like...people, but just out of hearing.
0:27:36 > 0:27:39When I'm bad, I see faces in the mirror.
0:27:41 > 0:27:43The risperidone helps.
0:27:47 > 0:27:50How long have you been in this place?
0:27:50 > 0:27:52Five years.
0:27:52 > 0:27:56I was on the news, but not like you.
0:27:56 > 0:27:58It's time to go to your room now, Paul.
0:28:20 > 0:28:2212, is the answer to your question.
0:28:22 > 0:28:23What?
0:28:23 > 0:28:26Mark Bailey's sister. 12 years old.
0:28:26 > 0:28:28And he left out the best bit.
0:28:31 > 0:28:32After he broke his sister's arm,
0:28:32 > 0:28:36he raped her, then carried her into the street,
0:28:36 > 0:28:39threw her into a passing bin lorry that crushed her to death.
0:28:41 > 0:28:42The dregs of humanity.
0:28:44 > 0:28:45Sweet dreams.
0:28:49 > 0:28:51DOOR SLAMS
0:28:58 > 0:29:01PHONE RINGS
0:29:09 > 0:29:10Anderson.
0:29:13 > 0:29:16'It's Assistant Chief Constable Burns.'
0:29:16 > 0:29:17Er, good evening, sir.
0:29:20 > 0:29:22I understand you're seeing Alvarez tomorrow?
0:29:22 > 0:29:24'Yes, sir.'
0:29:32 > 0:29:36I thought I might tell you something about Gortnacull
0:29:36 > 0:29:38that might be useful.
0:29:38 > 0:29:40Thank you, sir.
0:29:43 > 0:29:44I remember...
0:29:46 > 0:29:50..when I arrived there, being struck by how grand-looking it was.
0:29:53 > 0:29:56Lovely gardens, outside pool,
0:29:56 > 0:30:00views over Belfast Lough.
0:30:00 > 0:30:02Apparently so much more than
0:30:02 > 0:30:05the boys would have been used to at home in Belfast.
0:30:08 > 0:30:12Just off the entrance hall there was a large dining room.
0:30:16 > 0:30:18All the boys we interviewed
0:30:18 > 0:30:22told of how they were taken there every day...
0:30:24 > 0:30:26..and made to masturbate
0:30:26 > 0:30:28to entertain the staff members.
0:30:30 > 0:30:33Masturbate themselves,
0:30:33 > 0:30:35masturbate members of staff.
0:30:39 > 0:30:42We did fluorescence tests on the carpet.
0:30:45 > 0:30:47It was covered in stains.
0:30:51 > 0:30:57David Alvarez was there at the same time as Paul Spector...
0:30:57 > 0:30:58as Peter Baldwin.
0:31:01 > 0:31:03He would know about that.
0:31:07 > 0:31:09He would remember that dining room.
0:31:18 > 0:31:20That-that was all.
0:31:22 > 0:31:24Just...
0:31:28 > 0:31:30That was all.
0:32:10 > 0:32:11SWITCH CLICKS
0:32:23 > 0:32:26I just took a call from the DPP, ma'am.
0:32:26 > 0:32:29It seems that Sean Healy has lodged a complaint against you
0:32:29 > 0:32:31with the Police Ombudsman.
0:32:31 > 0:32:32I see.
0:32:32 > 0:32:35Also an abuse of process application.
0:32:38 > 0:32:40You'd better give me the details.
0:32:51 > 0:32:53This is my client, David Alvarez.
0:32:53 > 0:32:59David, this is Detective Sergeant Tom Anderson and PC Dani Ferrington.
0:32:59 > 0:33:02Thanks very much for talking to us, David.
0:33:02 > 0:33:04I haven't yet.
0:33:07 > 0:33:09You understand that it's in connection with
0:33:09 > 0:33:10your conviction for murder?
0:33:12 > 0:33:15- Frazer's explained, yes. - Good.
0:33:15 > 0:33:17I wonder, do you recognise this man?
0:33:17 > 0:33:19For the purposes of the tape,
0:33:19 > 0:33:23I'm showing David a picture of a male individual.
0:33:26 > 0:33:28I do, yes.
0:33:28 > 0:33:30What name do you know him by?
0:33:32 > 0:33:33Peter Baldwin.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35How do you know Peter Baldwin?
0:33:37 > 0:33:40We were in Gortnacull House together.
0:33:40 > 0:33:41When was that?
0:33:42 > 0:33:47Ah, I was there from 1990 to 1994.
0:33:47 > 0:33:49- I'm a year younger than him. - Right.
0:33:49 > 0:33:52And when was the last time that you saw Peter Baldwin?
0:33:56 > 0:33:57In 2002.
0:33:57 > 0:34:00- Where was that? - In London.
0:34:00 > 0:34:02And what were the circumstances of that meeting?
0:34:02 > 0:34:05- Was he there at your invitation? - No, we met by chance.
0:34:05 > 0:34:09The last time I'd seen him was at Gortnacull when I was 12.
0:34:09 > 0:34:11At Gortnacull with Father Jensen.
0:34:13 > 0:34:17- LARSON:- Perhaps we can talk about the period in your life
0:34:17 > 0:34:19before you were first incarcerated.
0:34:19 > 0:34:22When you compiled your own map of Dundalk.
0:34:26 > 0:34:28What do you want to know?
0:34:28 > 0:34:31When did that behaviour begin for you?
0:34:32 > 0:34:34What behaviour?
0:34:34 > 0:34:35The voyeurism.
0:34:38 > 0:34:41Around that age. 13 or so.
0:34:41 > 0:34:46What were you seeking, do you think, in behaving in that way?
0:34:47 > 0:34:48Relief.
0:34:51 > 0:34:52From?
0:34:52 > 0:34:53Boredom.
0:34:55 > 0:34:56Loneliness.
0:34:57 > 0:35:00It was exciting that they were...
0:35:00 > 0:35:02unsuspecting, unaware.
0:35:03 > 0:35:09Because of the possibility of seeing someone naked, or disrobing,
0:35:09 > 0:35:11or engaging in sexual activity?
0:35:11 > 0:35:14No, not just that.
0:35:16 > 0:35:17Then what?
0:35:20 > 0:35:21Seeing into homes.
0:35:23 > 0:35:26Real homes.
0:35:26 > 0:35:28Comfortable, warm.
0:35:30 > 0:35:34A glimpse into lives being led.
0:35:35 > 0:35:36Full lives.
0:35:39 > 0:35:42I'd imagine myself in those homes,
0:35:42 > 0:35:46as part of those lives, at the dinner table...
0:35:46 > 0:35:49watching television with the fire on.
0:35:49 > 0:35:53How did it make you feel, being on the outside looking in?
0:35:56 > 0:35:57Lonely.
0:35:58 > 0:36:00Angry?
0:36:02 > 0:36:03Yes.
0:36:05 > 0:36:06Aroused?
0:36:13 > 0:36:15When did you start breaking in?
0:36:23 > 0:36:25When I'd built up the courage.
0:36:26 > 0:36:28How did you do that?
0:36:29 > 0:36:31I'd get closer to them.
0:36:32 > 0:36:34How?
0:36:36 > 0:36:37I'd telephone them.
0:36:38 > 0:36:41Deliver their newspapers.
0:36:41 > 0:36:44Ride with them on the bus.
0:36:44 > 0:36:48Once, I even carried a woman's shopping home for her.
0:36:49 > 0:36:53Were the break-ins spontaneous, or did you plan?
0:36:54 > 0:36:57I made extensive, elaborate plans.
0:37:01 > 0:37:04I discovered that it was easy.
0:37:04 > 0:37:07For the most part, people feel safe.
0:37:07 > 0:37:10They forget to turn the alarm on,
0:37:10 > 0:37:12leave windows open, patio doors.
0:37:14 > 0:37:16I didn't want anyone to feel safe.
0:37:18 > 0:37:20Why should they have that luxury?
0:37:21 > 0:37:24- ALVAREZ:- We just hung out. We drank, we took drugs.
0:37:24 > 0:37:26What sort of drugs?
0:37:26 > 0:37:28Coke, mainly.
0:37:28 > 0:37:29Where was this?
0:37:31 > 0:37:33In Brixton.
0:37:33 > 0:37:38We shared a flat in Brixton, in Coldharbour Lane.
0:37:43 > 0:37:46Were you with Paul Spector...
0:37:46 > 0:37:47Peter Baldwin...
0:37:47 > 0:37:50on the night that Susan Harper died, David?
0:37:54 > 0:37:56We think you were.
0:37:58 > 0:38:04I'm producing a lap top showing CCTV footage of Exhibit NS1.
0:38:08 > 0:38:11Taken from Edenvale Road, London, SW9,
0:38:11 > 0:38:15on Sunday the 18th of August 2002 at 1:45am.
0:38:17 > 0:38:19We think that's Paul Spector,
0:38:19 > 0:38:22leaving the club with you and Susan on the night that she died.
0:38:26 > 0:38:31So your interest in voyeurism gave way to a desire to
0:38:31 > 0:38:33break into the observed space?
0:38:33 > 0:38:37To violate those individuals in a more intimate way?
0:38:40 > 0:38:43You're thinking that the voyeurism was a...
0:38:45 > 0:38:50..precursor to more aggressive sexual deviancies?
0:38:50 > 0:38:56No, I'm just trying to understand the progression of your criminality.
0:39:01 > 0:39:04I thought I'd put it all behind me.
0:39:04 > 0:39:08When I married Sally Ann. When Olivia was born.
0:39:08 > 0:39:12I thought that was all in the past,
0:39:12 > 0:39:15troubles of my youth.
0:39:15 > 0:39:17But now I'm being told that
0:39:17 > 0:39:19it was the opposite.
0:39:20 > 0:39:23Like an addict, I'd gone from bad to worse.
0:39:26 > 0:39:31In my view, those distortions originate from
0:39:31 > 0:39:33a variety of places in childhood.
0:39:34 > 0:39:36Childhood victimization.
0:39:37 > 0:39:40Faulty family relationships.
0:39:41 > 0:39:44General psychological distress.
0:39:46 > 0:39:48They are not so easily dealt with.
0:39:49 > 0:39:51Not without help.
0:39:52 > 0:39:55They are not so easily cast aside.
0:40:00 > 0:40:01- DS ANDERSON:- 'Did you confess
0:40:01 > 0:40:04'because you felt guilty about the offence?'
0:40:05 > 0:40:06Maybe.
0:40:08 > 0:40:09Maybe, yes.
0:40:10 > 0:40:12Or to protect someone?
0:40:17 > 0:40:19You see, David, when I look at this interview...
0:40:19 > 0:40:20PAGES RUSTLE
0:40:20 > 0:40:23..like...I can see you've...
0:40:24 > 0:40:27..you've no idea how the murder took place.
0:40:27 > 0:40:30You don't even know if there was a murder.
0:40:30 > 0:40:33I can see that you were led and prompted by the detectives
0:40:33 > 0:40:35in a shameful and unprofessional manner.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39It's time to tell the truth, David.
0:40:43 > 0:40:45I have here the transcript of that interview,
0:40:45 > 0:40:47dated the 22nd of August 2002.
0:40:47 > 0:40:51Reese - "Why was there a washing-up bowl by the bed, David?"
0:40:51 > 0:40:53"What?" "A plastic washing-up bowl."
0:40:53 > 0:40:55"I don't know."
0:40:55 > 0:40:58"What colour was that bowl?" "Blue?"
0:40:58 > 0:41:01"Were you cleaning up the scene, washing your hands, what?"
0:41:01 > 0:41:02"I was stoned."
0:41:02 > 0:41:05"Oh, so now you were stoned?" "I'd been drinking."
0:41:05 > 0:41:08"So what colour was the bowl?"
0:41:08 > 0:41:12"Grey? Green? Brown?"
0:41:12 > 0:41:14"Green, David, yes."
0:41:24 > 0:41:27I think I know why that bowl was there.
0:41:30 > 0:41:34And it relates to the modus operandi of Paul Spector, Peter Baldwin.
0:41:38 > 0:41:41Are you sure he killed all those girls?
0:41:41 > 0:41:43Yes, we are.
0:41:44 > 0:41:47Why are you protecting him, David?
0:41:51 > 0:41:54No-one has any idea how bad Gortnacull House was.
0:41:57 > 0:41:59Only those that were there.
0:42:01 > 0:42:03I have some idea.
0:42:03 > 0:42:05No, you fucking don't.
0:42:05 > 0:42:07Then tell me.
0:42:09 > 0:42:12Tell me, David. Tell me about the dining room.
0:42:14 > 0:42:16Was there morning assemblies?
0:42:21 > 0:42:23How do you know about that?
0:42:23 > 0:42:26One of my colleagues was the arresting officer
0:42:26 > 0:42:29who put Jensen and several others in prison.
0:42:32 > 0:42:34And they did forensic tests there,
0:42:34 > 0:42:37and they found the carpet in that room
0:42:37 > 0:42:40covered in semen stains.
0:42:45 > 0:42:46David?
0:42:49 > 0:42:51Is that something that happened to you?
0:42:53 > 0:42:56Did you have to masturbate in front of other boys, staff?
0:42:59 > 0:43:02- Everyone did. - Peter Baldwin?
0:43:02 > 0:43:03I said, "Everyone did."
0:43:08 > 0:43:10Me, Pretty Boy...
0:43:13 > 0:43:17..everyone did, at one time or another.
0:43:17 > 0:43:18Pretty Boy?
0:43:18 > 0:43:21- Jensen's name. - For Spector?
0:43:23 > 0:43:25For Baldwin, Spector, whatever.
0:43:30 > 0:43:31Jensen always had a favourite.
0:43:33 > 0:43:35A boy of about 12 or 13 years of age
0:43:35 > 0:43:39that he would single out for his special attentions.
0:43:39 > 0:43:41And the tradition was that when he was leaving,
0:43:41 > 0:43:44a special boy had to nominate his successor.
0:43:47 > 0:43:51So Jensen and Baldwin came to our dormitory one night.
0:43:54 > 0:43:57Peter was due to leave, and Jensen made Peter choose.
0:44:04 > 0:44:06He could have chose me.
0:44:08 > 0:44:12He looked straight at me. Straight at me.
0:44:12 > 0:44:14Jensen looked straight at me.
0:44:15 > 0:44:19And I knew Jensen wanted me. I felt it.
0:44:23 > 0:44:27But Peter walked straight past me and chose another boy.
0:44:27 > 0:44:29I don't know who, some poor fuck.
0:44:29 > 0:44:31I didn't look, I didn't even care.
0:44:32 > 0:44:35Just as long as it wasn't me.
0:44:35 > 0:44:37Just as long as it wasn't me.
0:44:41 > 0:44:45Being Jensen's favourite was the worst thing...
0:44:45 > 0:44:47the worst thing you can imagine.
0:44:51 > 0:44:53David...
0:44:56 > 0:44:59..are you certain that Baldwin, Paul Spector,
0:44:59 > 0:45:01was Jensen's favourite?
0:45:04 > 0:45:06For a full year.
0:45:09 > 0:45:12Every night and every day for a full year.
0:45:20 > 0:45:23Do you know why your mother took her own life?
0:45:27 > 0:45:28Hmm...
0:45:28 > 0:45:31Because my love wasn't enough for her,
0:45:31 > 0:45:35enough to...keep her alive.
0:45:39 > 0:45:42Whenever I was ill, as a child...
0:45:44 > 0:45:47..she'd take me into her bed and care for me.
0:45:48 > 0:45:50And Baldwin would sleep in mine.
0:45:52 > 0:45:54And when he left, she was...
0:45:55 > 0:45:58..so sad that I slept in there with her, every night.
0:46:01 > 0:46:04Just me and her in the world.
0:46:06 > 0:46:10The car lights would sweep across the ceiling...
0:46:11 > 0:46:13..and I'd imagine that...
0:46:15 > 0:46:18..we were on a raft together drifting in the water.
0:46:21 > 0:46:25Just me and her in the world but we had each other.
0:46:28 > 0:46:32I still remember her smell, the smell of her clothes.
0:46:38 > 0:46:40On my eighth birthday...
0:46:41 > 0:46:43..after he'd left...
0:46:45 > 0:46:48she told me that... he wasn't my father.
0:46:50 > 0:46:52That my real father...
0:46:54 > 0:46:56..unreal father...
0:46:57 > 0:47:01- ..was a British soldier who was gone before I was born.- Hm.
0:47:04 > 0:47:08That was her...birthday gift to me.
0:47:11 > 0:47:13Ten days later, she was dead.
0:47:17 > 0:47:19Were you the one to find her?
0:47:25 > 0:47:26It was a school day.
0:47:30 > 0:47:32She wasn't there at the gate to pick me up,
0:47:32 > 0:47:33so I walked home.
0:47:35 > 0:47:39Rang the doorbell, there was no answer.
0:47:41 > 0:47:43But there was a key under the mat, so...
0:47:44 > 0:47:46..so I let myself in.
0:47:49 > 0:47:53I shouted out, there was no reply. The radio was on.
0:47:56 > 0:47:58I looked around.
0:47:59 > 0:48:01I went upstairs...
0:48:03 > 0:48:06..pushed against her bedroom.
0:48:06 > 0:48:09There was a...thump against the door.
0:48:11 > 0:48:14So I pushed more until I got in.
0:48:16 > 0:48:19And...she was on the back of the door...
0:48:23 > 0:48:24..belts around her neck.
0:48:28 > 0:48:30I shouted at her, but there was no response.
0:48:34 > 0:48:37I didn't know if she was dead or alive.
0:48:37 > 0:48:41I called 999. The ambulance men came.
0:48:43 > 0:48:44They, erm...
0:48:45 > 0:48:47..they told me to wait in my room.
0:48:49 > 0:48:51I looked out the window and...
0:48:52 > 0:48:55..I remember this red blanket that they used
0:48:55 > 0:48:57to cover her when they wheeled her out.
0:48:59 > 0:49:02All that day, people came and went
0:49:02 > 0:49:06and nobody told me what had happened.
0:49:08 > 0:49:12Then later someone said that she'd "gone to a better place."
0:49:16 > 0:49:19I suppose I knew she was dead but...
0:49:19 > 0:49:22there was a part of me that thought maybe she was alive...
0:49:23 > 0:49:25..living elsewhere...
0:49:26 > 0:49:29..in a better place because I wasn't there.
0:49:32 > 0:49:36The last memory I have of her, she was very angry with me,
0:49:36 > 0:49:39angry for something I'd done.
0:49:39 > 0:49:41I don't know what.
0:49:45 > 0:49:48You know you worked on a suicide helpline for some years?
0:49:51 > 0:49:52No.
0:49:54 > 0:49:55You did.
0:49:57 > 0:50:00And, of course, as a bereavement counsellor.
0:50:01 > 0:50:05Why were you drawn to that line of work, do you think?
0:50:10 > 0:50:12Something morbid in me, I suppose.
0:50:16 > 0:50:18After my mother died...
0:50:20 > 0:50:24..I had this...recurring dream.
0:50:24 > 0:50:26I was lying in a coffin...
0:50:28 > 0:50:30..and I was cut up into...
0:50:32 > 0:50:34..small chunks.
0:50:37 > 0:50:40But there was a nerve that ran through every piece
0:50:40 > 0:50:42that was connected to my brain.
0:50:44 > 0:50:46Hm.
0:50:46 > 0:50:48That sounds very frightening.
0:50:51 > 0:50:54DSI GIBSON: 'Why would he take the blame, David Alvarez?
0:50:54 > 0:50:56'Why would he do that for Spector?'
0:50:56 > 0:50:58- DS ANDERSON: - 'Beyond the debt of gratitude?'
0:51:00 > 0:51:03'It's clear he felt guilty. He was part of it, after all.
0:51:03 > 0:51:05'He wrote long rambling letters of apology
0:51:05 > 0:51:07'to Susan Harper's parents from prison.
0:51:07 > 0:51:11'In his interviews he seems very vulnerable...and suggestible.
0:51:11 > 0:51:13'I guess he's toughened up in prison,
0:51:13 > 0:51:19'but I wonder if he didn't get off on it in some way at the time.'
0:51:19 > 0:51:21He seemed very flattered by the detectives'
0:51:21 > 0:51:23"boys will be boys" bullshit.
0:51:23 > 0:51:27And, suddenly, he was the centre of attention, a kind of celebrity.
0:51:27 > 0:51:30Oh. Have you spoken to Chris George?
0:51:30 > 0:51:32Is he going to want a Met officer to sit in on any
0:51:32 > 0:51:35further interviews regarding the Harper murder?
0:51:35 > 0:51:36He's happy for you to represent the Met,
0:51:36 > 0:51:41and he said he'll back us if we reopen the Alvarez investigation.
0:51:41 > 0:51:43That's great news.
0:51:43 > 0:51:45We're seeing Spector tomorrow to put the new evidence
0:51:45 > 0:51:48from the lock-up to him. When are you back?
0:51:48 > 0:51:51First thing. I'll go straight to the Serious Crime Suite.
0:51:51 > 0:51:53- Good work, Tom. - Let's hope so.
0:52:16 > 0:52:18INDISTINCT RADIO REPORT
0:52:42 > 0:52:44DOOR BUZZES
0:53:10 > 0:53:12Detective Superintendent Gibson.
0:54:01 > 0:54:04'This interview is being recorded at the Down Serious Crime Suite.
0:54:04 > 0:54:10'The date is the 16th of May 2012 and the time, by my watch, is 1400.
0:54:10 > 0:54:13'I'm Detective Sergeant Anderson, and the other police officer present
0:54:13 > 0:54:15'is Detective Superintendent Gibson.'
0:54:15 > 0:54:18Can you please state your full name and date of birth?
0:54:18 > 0:54:22Peter Paul Spector, 25th of May 1979.
0:54:22 > 0:54:26- And also present is? - Sean Healy, solicitor.
0:54:26 > 0:54:28And at the conclusion of the interview
0:54:28 > 0:54:31'I'll give a notice of how you can obtain a copy of the tapes.
0:54:31 > 0:54:33'You do not have to say anything,
0:54:33 > 0:54:35'but I must caution you if you do not mention when questioned
0:54:35 > 0:54:38'something you later rely on in court, it may harm your defence.
0:54:38 > 0:54:41'If you do say anything, it may be given in evidence.
0:54:41 > 0:54:43'Do you understand the caution?'
0:54:43 > 0:54:45'Yes.'
0:54:45 > 0:54:47'We have reason to believe that you rented'
0:54:47 > 0:54:52a lock-up as a storage unit in the name of Peter Baldwin.
0:54:52 > 0:54:55I'm showing a lease agreement for that lock-up.
0:55:01 > 0:55:03Is that your signature on the document?
0:55:08 > 0:55:10For the benefit of the tape,
0:55:10 > 0:55:12Paul Spector has declined to answer the question.
0:55:12 > 0:55:15So, in that lock-up, along with a car we believe you stole,
0:55:15 > 0:55:18we found a number of items that we'd like you to account for.
0:55:18 > 0:55:21Now, we believe that these...documents,
0:55:21 > 0:55:24these diaries or journals, are your work.
0:55:24 > 0:55:27I'm showing exhibit ME369,
0:55:27 > 0:55:33which is a journal, and also a copy of the contents of the journal.
0:55:34 > 0:55:39Now...are you able to identify the subject of this journal,
0:55:39 > 0:55:42a woman with the initials RW?
0:55:48 > 0:55:50- No. - This is pointless.
0:55:50 > 0:55:52My client is undergoing assessment
0:55:52 > 0:55:54because he is suffering retrograde amnesia
0:55:54 > 0:55:56which covers all autobiographical memory
0:55:56 > 0:55:59for a period of six years or so.
0:56:00 > 0:56:03Then perhaps you recognise this man?
0:56:03 > 0:56:05I'm showing a photograph of a male person.
0:56:05 > 0:56:07What's this?
0:56:07 > 0:56:10We believe he was with you in Gortnacull Children's Home
0:56:10 > 0:56:15and that you met him again in 2002, in London,
0:56:15 > 0:56:17which is a period that falls
0:56:17 > 0:56:19outside the timeframe of your purported amnesia.
0:56:19 > 0:56:22What has this got to do with the contents of the lock-up?
0:56:22 > 0:56:24Before my client answers...
0:56:25 > 0:56:28..could you please explain the relevance of this photograph?
0:56:28 > 0:56:31This man is, at present, serving a life sentence for a murder,
0:56:31 > 0:56:33a murder he committed in 2002.
0:56:33 > 0:56:36Even then, I'm sorry, but it falls outside the scope of this interview.
0:56:36 > 0:56:37The murder of this woman.
0:56:37 > 0:56:40I'm showing a photograph of the female victim.
0:56:40 > 0:56:41KNOCK ON DOOR
0:56:44 > 0:56:48DCI Eastwood has just entered the room at 14:03.
0:56:50 > 0:56:54Paul Spector, I am further arresting you
0:56:54 > 0:56:56for the murder of Susan Harper
0:56:56 > 0:56:58at Flat 16 Thornton Rise,
0:56:58 > 0:57:04'SW16 3CV, on the 18th of the eighth, 2002.'
0:57:04 > 0:57:06I must remind you that you are still under caution.
0:57:06 > 0:57:08I insist this interview be suspended.
0:57:08 > 0:57:10I must take instruction from Mr Spector.
0:57:10 > 0:57:12Do you recognise this man? Do you know his name?
0:57:12 > 0:57:15- David Alvarez. - This interview stops now.
0:57:16 > 0:57:19Interview has been suspended at 14:04
0:57:19 > 0:57:22so that Paul Spector can consult with his solicitor.
0:57:36 > 0:57:38Who the fuck is David Alvarez?
0:57:40 > 0:57:42Just as they've said,
0:57:42 > 0:57:46someone I knew when I was a child and then again in London in 2002.
0:57:46 > 0:57:49- A convicted murderer? - DOOR OPENS
0:57:49 > 0:57:51- Yes. - What is going on?
0:57:56 > 0:57:58The police have been clever.
0:58:00 > 0:58:03They have something on me that I can actually remember.
0:58:14 > 0:58:18DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES