Conspiracy Theories

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0:00:02 > 0:00:05This programme contains some strong language

0:00:05 > 0:00:08We barely recovered from the Rodney King riots two years ago,

0:00:08 > 0:00:11and now you and Johnnie are standing in a goddamn pool of gasoline

0:00:11 > 0:00:13playing with matches. It's all going to happen again.

0:00:13 > 0:00:15It's going to be on you.

0:00:15 > 0:00:16Gil, it's me, Bob!

0:00:16 > 0:00:18You know who's pushing this, it's Johnnie.

0:00:18 > 0:00:20Enjoy your legacy, Bob.

0:00:25 > 0:00:27REPORTERS CALL TO ROBERT SHAPIRO

0:00:27 > 0:00:30Mr Shapiro. Questioning Mark Fuhrman about the use of the 'n-word'...

0:00:30 > 0:00:32- Er...- Is it based on something you know,

0:00:32 > 0:00:35- or just your views of the LAPD in general?- Look, I...

0:00:36 > 0:00:40Let me just state this. Er... I think that the...

0:00:40 > 0:00:42the LAPD is a terrific organisation.

0:00:42 > 0:00:46- I think that there's just a few bad apples.- Unbelievable.

0:00:46 > 0:00:47REPORTERS CHATTER

0:00:47 > 0:00:49Good morning! Love the hair!

0:00:49 > 0:00:51Please don't ever mention my hair again.

0:00:51 > 0:00:53- Got it.- Ever.

0:00:53 > 0:00:54MARCIA SIGHS

0:00:55 > 0:00:58- JOHNNIE COCHRAN ON TV: - 'And within hours of the killings,

0:00:58 > 0:01:01'you had MY client in handcuffs.'

0:01:02 > 0:01:06So, what I'm trying to get a sense of is this rush to judgment,

0:01:06 > 0:01:11and how, in a few short hours, these detectives closed up shop on

0:01:11 > 0:01:13'a complex investigation

0:01:13 > 0:01:16'that could've gone any different direction.'

0:01:16 > 0:01:18It might sound like Cochran is fishing,

0:01:18 > 0:01:20but he understands what we have to do -

0:01:20 > 0:01:24present alternative theories that do not include your client.

0:01:24 > 0:01:27It's not enough to just plead your client's innocence.

0:01:27 > 0:01:31You need to provide a narrative, and not just in the courtroom,

0:01:31 > 0:01:32in the world.

0:01:32 > 0:01:37Do you feel that you've turned over every possible rock in search for

0:01:37 > 0:01:40the real killer in this case before RUSHING...

0:01:41 > 0:01:43..to charge my client?

0:01:43 > 0:01:45- 'I do.'- Look at what the culture's becoming.

0:01:45 > 0:01:48The media, people, they want narrative, too,

0:01:48 > 0:01:51but they want it to be entertainment, and what's

0:01:51 > 0:01:56out in the world osmosis back into that courtroom, sequester be damned.

0:01:56 > 0:01:59If there's going to be a media circus,

0:01:59 > 0:02:01you better well be the ringmaster!

0:02:06 > 0:02:07Yes.

0:02:07 > 0:02:09Yes. This could work.

0:02:19 > 0:02:20FAX MACHINE BEEPS

0:02:22 > 0:02:23HE CHUCKLES

0:02:23 > 0:02:25FAX MACHINE WHIRS

0:02:26 > 0:02:27'Then tell the court, please,'

0:02:27 > 0:02:31why you refused to investigate any other possible suspects!

0:02:31 > 0:02:32Objection.

0:02:32 > 0:02:35Asked and answered. Argumentative.

0:02:35 > 0:02:36- JUDGE LANCE ITO:- Sustained.

0:02:36 > 0:02:39Mr Cochrane, please refrain from badgering the witness.

0:02:39 > 0:02:40Yes, Your Honour.

0:03:02 > 0:03:03Detective Lange...

0:03:05 > 0:03:09..is it possible that these...murders could be...

0:03:09 > 0:03:11- drug related? - MARCIA CLARK: Objection.

0:03:11 > 0:03:14- JUDGE LANCE ITO:- Sustained. You're being a little vague, counsellor.

0:03:14 > 0:03:18Detective, have you ever heard of a Colombian necktie?

0:03:19 > 0:03:20A what?

0:03:22 > 0:03:24No.

0:03:24 > 0:03:25Really?

0:03:26 > 0:03:30'It's a well-known technique employed by drug gangs.'

0:03:30 > 0:03:34They slash a person's throat so viciously...

0:03:36 > 0:03:39..they almost remove the victim's head.

0:03:44 > 0:03:47- LAUGHTER - Oh, my God!

0:03:47 > 0:03:49LAUGHTER AND CLAPPING, ALAN CHUCKLES

0:03:54 > 0:03:57Sorry about the Colombian necktie thing. I had never heard of it.

0:03:57 > 0:03:59You're kidding me, Tom.

0:03:59 > 0:04:02You didn't know that Mezzaluna was a cleverly disguised front

0:04:02 > 0:04:04for the gatherings of cocaine kingpins?

0:04:04 > 0:04:08That Faye Resnick owed them money on some deal she was mixed up in,

0:04:08 > 0:04:11and these Scarfaces decided to scare her by killing Nicole?

0:04:11 > 0:04:14How could you not know there's a major drug cartel being run

0:04:14 > 0:04:18out of a B- Brentwood eatery right under your nose?

0:04:18 > 0:04:20It's just desperate flailing.

0:04:20 > 0:04:23If they keep that kind of unsubstantiated bullshit up...

0:04:23 > 0:04:25I don't.

0:04:25 > 0:04:29Look, it's all stupid, but it lands. I saw the jury.

0:04:29 > 0:04:31But there are theories everywhere.

0:04:31 > 0:04:34And everyone loves to hear them, talk about them.

0:04:34 > 0:04:37So, when the defence comes in with something exotic, it makes the jury

0:04:37 > 0:04:40sit up and listen instead of playing tic-tac-toe with themselves.

0:04:40 > 0:04:42Or flat out fall asleep.

0:04:42 > 0:04:47I mean, we have hard evidence, and they razzle dazzle

0:04:47 > 0:04:50a bunch of conspiracy nonsense in the big moments.

0:04:50 > 0:04:53We need to make our own big moments that land with the jury.

0:04:53 > 0:04:57- That is how we beat the nonsense. Now, can we focus on that?- OK, yeah.

0:04:57 > 0:04:59- Sure, we'll see what we can find. - Please.

0:04:59 > 0:05:01Thank you.

0:05:01 > 0:05:03CHRIS SIGHS

0:05:03 > 0:05:05HE CLEARS HIS THROAT

0:05:05 > 0:05:06I'm sorry.

0:05:06 > 0:05:10- Did I hijack the meeting? - No, no. That's OK.

0:05:12 > 0:05:14I liked it.

0:05:20 > 0:05:21CHRIS SIGHS

0:05:23 > 0:05:25- ROBERT KARDASHIAN:- Johnnie...

0:05:27 > 0:05:31Why do you think there hasn't been a realistic theory about who did it?

0:05:31 > 0:05:33Or any evidence?

0:05:34 > 0:05:37I mean, I know it's what we're saying, but...

0:05:37 > 0:05:40I have trouble with the blood in the Bronco.

0:05:40 > 0:05:45That Fuhrman or anyone planted all of it - OJ's, Nicole's

0:05:45 > 0:05:47and Goldman's?

0:05:47 > 0:05:49Bobby.

0:05:49 > 0:05:52We don't have the whole police force out there chasing leads.

0:05:52 > 0:05:53We got to be patient.

0:05:53 > 0:05:56The truth will find us. It always does.

0:05:56 > 0:06:00- Yeah?- There's something on the TV. I think you'd better see it.

0:06:00 > 0:06:04- Can't you record it?- Johnnie, Barbara is on A Current Affair.

0:06:04 > 0:06:06With Patricia. Both of them.

0:06:06 > 0:06:08ON TV: 'Patricia, you took Johnnie's name

0:06:08 > 0:06:10- 'even though he never married you.' - Guys, guys.

0:06:10 > 0:06:13'It seemed unfair for our boy, Johnnie Jr,

0:06:13 > 0:06:15'not to have his own father's name.'

0:06:15 > 0:06:18'Barbara, were you aware of Johnnie's double life?'

0:06:18 > 0:06:23'Maybe unconsciously I loved him too much to acknowledge it.'

0:06:23 > 0:06:26'He must've been under a lot of pressure, running back

0:06:26 > 0:06:28'and forth between two households.'

0:06:28 > 0:06:32'Johnnie makes it all look easy. He's the smoothest man in LA.'

0:06:32 > 0:06:36'Maybe so, but, Barbara, court records tell us

0:06:36 > 0:06:38'that Johnnie assaulted you, on...'

0:06:51 > 0:06:52Who the hell's behind this?

0:06:54 > 0:06:55It's the DA's office.

0:06:55 > 0:06:57It's, er...

0:06:57 > 0:06:58It's Shapiro.

0:06:58 > 0:07:00JOHNNIE SHIVERS WITH RAGE

0:07:00 > 0:07:02FUCK!

0:07:08 > 0:07:10There.

0:07:10 > 0:07:12That's what's left of Nicole.

0:07:14 > 0:07:16Oh. Thank you, Denise.

0:07:17 > 0:07:18DOOR OPENS

0:07:25 > 0:07:28Are you helping my daddy find the man who hurt my mummy?

0:07:28 > 0:07:29Er...

0:07:31 > 0:07:34Yeah. Yes, that's right. Erm...

0:07:35 > 0:07:37Your daddy's busy working on other things today.

0:07:39 > 0:07:41Come on, let's let them get to work, OK?

0:07:46 > 0:07:47DOOR CLOSES

0:07:57 > 0:07:59Go on, open it.

0:07:59 > 0:08:01MARCIA LAUGHS

0:08:07 > 0:08:10"Visa card number two, 1989 to 1990."

0:08:13 > 0:08:14OK?

0:08:15 > 0:08:17I give up.

0:08:17 > 0:08:19- Nicole bought the gloves. - Our gloves.

0:08:19 > 0:08:22Aris - Isotoner, model number 70263.

0:08:22 > 0:08:24In the United States, the only place that sold them

0:08:24 > 0:08:26was Bloomingdales in New York.

0:08:26 > 0:08:29Of all the 70263s, only 300 pairs were extra large.

0:08:29 > 0:08:32Bloomingdales sold 200 of those on December 18th, 1990.

0:08:32 > 0:08:36Nicole walked into that store and bought two pairs of OUR GLOVES!

0:08:36 > 0:08:39- Holy shit!- What?!- Right?! There we go!

0:08:39 > 0:08:40THEY LAUGH

0:08:40 > 0:08:42Hoo!

0:08:42 > 0:08:43This is it.

0:08:43 > 0:08:46This is not a story. This is cold, hard proof.

0:08:48 > 0:08:50The gloves...

0:08:50 > 0:08:51the gloves are our conviction.

0:08:56 > 0:08:58What are you doing here?

0:08:58 > 0:09:02Waiting for Johnnie. I can't wait to see this.

0:09:02 > 0:09:03REPORTERS CALL FOR JOHNNIE

0:09:03 > 0:09:06Johnnie, talk to us about this double life of yours.

0:09:06 > 0:09:08Did you beat Barbara? Do you beat Dale, Jo...

0:09:08 > 0:09:11I am not here to discuss old gossip.

0:09:11 > 0:09:15What I care about is this trial, in which there are two dead people

0:09:15 > 0:09:17and an innocent man being framed.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

0:09:20 > 0:09:22Excuse me. Thank you.

0:09:23 > 0:09:25- MARCIA GROANS - He's made of goddamn Teflon.

0:09:27 > 0:09:29I need a vacation.

0:09:29 > 0:09:31Like, now.

0:09:34 > 0:09:35What?

0:09:37 > 0:09:41- Er... I'm driving out to Oakland this weekend.- Hm.

0:09:41 > 0:09:45My best friend - childhood friend - it's his birthday.

0:09:45 > 0:09:47It's not a big thing, just getting together at a bar for some

0:09:47 > 0:09:50drinks and stay the night, but, erm...

0:09:50 > 0:09:52you want to, you know, come along?

0:09:54 > 0:09:55The drive up,

0:09:55 > 0:09:58it always unwinds me, and, er..

0:09:58 > 0:10:00you know, or not. You're probably busy.

0:10:02 > 0:10:05Gordon has the kids this weekend.

0:10:08 > 0:10:10You know what?

0:10:11 > 0:10:14Hell yes. Yes. Count me in.

0:10:14 > 0:10:16- SHE GIGGLES - All right.

0:10:16 > 0:10:17HE EXHALES DEEPLY

0:10:21 > 0:10:22- Hm.- OK.

0:10:33 > 0:10:34Whoa, whoa, whoa.

0:10:34 > 0:10:37What do you have on your lapel?

0:10:37 > 0:10:39It is a police solidarity pin.

0:10:39 > 0:10:41What the hell do you have that on for?! Take that off!

0:10:41 > 0:10:45I am trying to vindicate some of the damage that you're doing.

0:10:48 > 0:10:51Damage? Damage to what? Your cosy relationship with Garcetti

0:10:51 > 0:10:53and the LAPD?

0:10:53 > 0:10:55- What is happening?- Bob's lapel.

0:10:55 > 0:10:57LAPD solidarity pin.

0:10:58 > 0:11:02Well, I hope you got the brains to take it off in front of the cameras.

0:11:02 > 0:11:04You are hardly in a position to tell me

0:11:04 > 0:11:07what's unacceptable or not on television.

0:11:09 > 0:11:11SHAPIRO OPENS BRIEFCASE AND SIGHS

0:11:14 > 0:11:15JOHNNIE GROANS

0:11:15 > 0:11:18It was Shapiro who planted that story, I know it.

0:11:19 > 0:11:21And I'm going to find out how he did it.

0:11:21 > 0:11:23- And when I do... - HE CHUCKLES

0:11:24 > 0:11:27..there's going to be hell to pay.

0:11:27 > 0:11:30- But it was him.- Hm.

0:11:30 > 0:11:32So, it was Bob Shapiro who made you live a double life

0:11:32 > 0:11:34while you were married with Barbara?

0:11:34 > 0:11:37I shut the press right down today, baby.

0:11:37 > 0:11:41You'll never hear another word about it. I handled it.

0:11:44 > 0:11:46Baby, you knew all that about me when we got married.

0:11:46 > 0:11:48Yeah, I knew it, Johnnie.

0:11:48 > 0:11:52But my friends didn't. My family didn't.

0:11:52 > 0:11:54My pastor didn't, Johnnie!

0:11:54 > 0:11:56I'll find out what happened, I'll find out who did this.

0:11:56 > 0:11:57Nobody did this!

0:11:57 > 0:12:00There is no conspiracy, Johnnie, you cannot fix it!

0:12:00 > 0:12:02Unless you have a time machine I don't know anything about.

0:12:03 > 0:12:07All your stuff with Barbara, all of it is in court records, Johnnie.

0:12:09 > 0:12:11You made the world your stage.

0:12:12 > 0:12:14You wanted the attention.

0:12:16 > 0:12:17Now you got it.

0:12:19 > 0:12:21(Now you got it.)

0:12:34 > 0:12:36- Good morning.- Bob.

0:12:36 > 0:12:39- Thanks for coming early. - Of course.- Close that door.

0:12:41 > 0:12:42SHAPIRO SIGHS

0:12:42 > 0:12:43DOOR CLOSES

0:12:43 > 0:12:46- What's up?- This discovery from the DA about the glove.

0:12:46 > 0:12:49They have receipts of Nicole purchasing them. Did you read this?

0:12:49 > 0:12:52Yeah, yeah, but they're not necessarily THE gloves.

0:12:54 > 0:12:56Bobby, please.

0:12:56 > 0:13:00You have to help me talk again to everyone about a plea.

0:13:00 > 0:13:03If we go in there with this glove thing,

0:13:03 > 0:13:06they will absolutely kill us.

0:13:06 > 0:13:08And, once it's done, we'll have no chance to cut a deal.

0:13:08 > 0:13:10Look, just talk to Johnnie, all right?

0:13:10 > 0:13:14- I think making a deal is crazy. - Bobby, there...

0:13:14 > 0:13:16The reason I'm talking to you

0:13:16 > 0:13:18is that you may have a personal stake in this.

0:13:20 > 0:13:22- Why?- The bag.- What bag?

0:13:22 > 0:13:26OJ's bag that you maybe disposed of with the murder weapon.

0:13:26 > 0:13:28- That I what?- There's video.

0:13:28 > 0:13:32There's video of you walking out of Rockingham with it.

0:13:32 > 0:13:34Wait, wait, wait. That...

0:13:34 > 0:13:36that's OJ's garment bag that he gave to me

0:13:36 > 0:13:38to take to my house before he came to stay with me.

0:13:38 > 0:13:42For the sake of both of us, please, don't continue to tell me any more.

0:13:42 > 0:13:45- No, wait a minute.- Now, if you do have possession of the weapon,

0:13:45 > 0:13:48and you decided to suddenly turn it in, I don't know,

0:13:48 > 0:13:51I guess, at most, it would be accessory after the fact.

0:13:51 > 0:13:54You'd get five years, out in two.

0:13:54 > 0:13:56Uh, but I don't know if we could convince them

0:13:56 > 0:13:59that you didn't know it was in the bag.

0:13:59 > 0:14:01I think that...I don't know. Maybe.

0:14:01 > 0:14:02Bob, what the...? What are you doing?

0:14:02 > 0:14:05Hup, hup. Please, please. No more talking.

0:14:05 > 0:14:09This is starting to be a conflict of interest.

0:14:09 > 0:14:10Gentlemen!

0:14:16 > 0:14:18We ready?

0:14:18 > 0:14:20Um, something's...

0:14:20 > 0:14:22something's come up and I've got to go.

0:14:22 > 0:14:24I'll catch up with you later.

0:14:28 > 0:14:31- What's with him? - Possible developments.

0:14:31 > 0:14:34- Anything you care to share, Bob? - No. No, not at this time.

0:14:34 > 0:14:36Shall we?

0:14:50 > 0:14:51So, that's it, huh?

0:14:53 > 0:14:55Nobody ever asked about it?

0:14:55 > 0:14:58No, it's just sat here the whole time.

0:14:58 > 0:14:59I didn't want to open it alone.

0:14:59 > 0:15:02You're the...you're the only one who goes back all the way with us,

0:15:02 > 0:15:05- so, I-I thought... - You did the right thing, Bobby.

0:15:11 > 0:15:13You want me to open it?

0:16:06 > 0:16:08Hoo! I knew it!

0:16:08 > 0:16:11I knew it!

0:16:11 > 0:16:13I knew there was nothing funky in that bag, Bobby!

0:16:15 > 0:16:16He didn't do it!

0:16:16 > 0:16:20You see that, right? There's even more proof he didn't do it.

0:16:22 > 0:16:23Who do you think did do it?

0:16:27 > 0:16:28You know, my kids...

0:16:30 > 0:16:31At school, the other kids, they...

0:16:31 > 0:16:34they tease Bobby.

0:16:34 > 0:16:36Tell him his dad's...

0:16:36 > 0:16:37Hey.

0:16:38 > 0:16:40It's a tough time right now.

0:16:41 > 0:16:44I...I know it's hard to be strong, but, Bobby...

0:16:44 > 0:16:48No. You don't understand. I'm-I'm really struggling.

0:16:48 > 0:16:50I'm really struggling here, AC.

0:16:53 > 0:16:57Even when...it seems everybody else has stopped working

0:16:57 > 0:17:01to figure out who did it, I...I keep going over everything,

0:17:01 > 0:17:03again and again.

0:17:03 > 0:17:05Everything I know about Nicole,

0:17:05 > 0:17:09everything I can learn about Ron Goldman.

0:17:09 > 0:17:12I mean, there's never been more information,

0:17:12 > 0:17:14more...more media coverage, more detectives,

0:17:14 > 0:17:16more... Even the kooks!

0:17:16 > 0:17:19All about one thing...

0:17:19 > 0:17:21one crime, ever.

0:17:21 > 0:17:23Ever!

0:17:23 > 0:17:25And there's...just...

0:17:27 > 0:17:28..nothing.

0:17:31 > 0:17:33No other suspect?

0:17:38 > 0:17:39No other answer?

0:17:42 > 0:17:45- There's nothing else.- Nothing else?

0:17:47 > 0:17:48Nothing else but what?

0:17:57 > 0:17:59I didn't mean it like that.

0:18:01 > 0:18:02Good.

0:18:16 > 0:18:17OJ?

0:18:18 > 0:18:20Everything all right?

0:18:21 > 0:18:23So late.

0:18:23 > 0:18:25Where is everyone?

0:18:25 > 0:18:26Ah. I see.

0:18:26 > 0:18:27Quality time, then.

0:18:32 > 0:18:34Where's your "I Love Cops" pin?

0:18:36 > 0:18:39That was just a political positioning, if you will.

0:18:41 > 0:18:42What are you up to, Bob?

0:18:42 > 0:18:44Why you be half-stepping?

0:18:44 > 0:18:45I don't know what that means.

0:18:47 > 0:18:49Why you keep trying to undermine Johnnie?

0:18:49 > 0:18:53Hmm? Crossing the quarterback all the time now? I see it.

0:18:53 > 0:18:55Everybody sees it. It's palpable.

0:18:57 > 0:19:00So, I'll ask you again, Bob.

0:19:01 > 0:19:03What the hell are you up to?

0:19:03 > 0:19:05OK, well, Johnnie and I have our differences,

0:19:05 > 0:19:06and we're clearing them up.

0:19:06 > 0:19:09But I'm glad, I'm-I'm very glad that we're discussing this,

0:19:09 > 0:19:11because, OJ, I think that this

0:19:11 > 0:19:15whole wild LAPD conspiracy theory

0:19:15 > 0:19:16is going to backfire on us.

0:19:16 > 0:19:17Bob!

0:19:17 > 0:19:20You were the one that came up with this idea.

0:19:20 > 0:19:23- No, no, no, I didn't, I came up with the bad apple idea.- No.

0:19:23 > 0:19:26- But Johnnie, John... - No! No! It was your play!

0:19:26 > 0:19:30You were the first one to use the word "conspiracy."

0:19:30 > 0:19:33You were the one that said no-one but Johnnie could make this work.

0:19:33 > 0:19:36You teed this whole damn thing up, man!

0:19:36 > 0:19:39So I don't want to hear no bullshit in the third quarter! You hear me?

0:19:39 > 0:19:42OK. You can say what you want, you can yell all night,

0:19:42 > 0:19:45but everything I do out there is for your best interest.

0:19:45 > 0:19:49It's what I do. It's my agenda for you.

0:19:49 > 0:19:54And if you recall correctly, it is why you came to me first!

0:19:56 > 0:19:57Guard!

0:20:01 > 0:20:04- DOOR BUZZES - You better think hard

0:20:04 > 0:20:07and fast about whether or not you want to be on this team...

0:20:07 > 0:20:09cos if you keep this bullshit up...

0:20:11 > 0:20:14..there won't be no room here for you.

0:20:14 > 0:20:15I know you heard that.

0:20:18 > 0:20:20DOOR SLAMS

0:20:20 > 0:20:22# Don't stop now baby Let's twist some more... #

0:20:22 > 0:20:25MUSIC: The Twist by Chubby Checker

0:20:29 > 0:20:31Yo, Chris!

0:20:32 > 0:20:33We're over here!

0:20:33 > 0:20:35Oh, what up, Byron?

0:20:35 > 0:20:38- Happy birthday!- You made it, boy.

0:20:38 > 0:20:40Good to see you.

0:20:40 > 0:20:42Oh, guys, this is Marcia.

0:20:42 > 0:20:44Marcia, this is guys.

0:20:44 > 0:20:47- Byron, the birthday boy... - Nice to meet you.- ..Darrell...

0:20:47 > 0:20:50..Moses, Philly, Rick.

0:20:50 > 0:20:52- Oh!- For you, man.- Oh, what's this?

0:20:52 > 0:20:54THEY CHEER

0:20:58 > 0:21:01Oh, no! No.

0:21:01 > 0:21:03- I ain't never gonna wear this. Look at this!- Why not?

0:21:03 > 0:21:06It's 100% cotton, and it might help you out of a traffic ticket.

0:21:06 > 0:21:10Oh! She got jokes, huh? Huh?

0:21:10 > 0:21:14So, is this an AA meeting, or is someone gonna buy me a drink?

0:21:14 > 0:21:16- Allow me. Allow me. - Handle that, boy.

0:21:22 > 0:21:24- Get it! Get it!- Come on! Come on!

0:21:24 > 0:21:26Everybody, to my main man, Byron!

0:21:26 > 0:21:28Happy birthday!

0:21:28 > 0:21:30THEY CHEER

0:21:30 > 0:21:32Happy birthday!

0:21:32 > 0:21:34- Mm.- Mm.- Ah.

0:21:34 > 0:21:36Whoo!

0:21:36 > 0:21:38- Now, I'm not saying that he did it...- Darrell!

0:21:38 > 0:21:40Darrell, we had a rule!

0:21:40 > 0:21:43First one who mentions that goddamn case drinks.

0:21:45 > 0:21:46Fine by me.

0:21:46 > 0:21:48Mm!

0:21:48 > 0:21:51I'm not saying that he did it. The jury's still out.

0:21:51 > 0:21:52Yeah, that is right.

0:21:52 > 0:21:55But I heard he was making some TV show about Navy SEALS or some shit,

0:21:55 > 0:21:57where he was trained to kill.

0:21:57 > 0:22:00- Yeah, yeah. Frogmen. - Yeah. That's it!

0:22:00 > 0:22:02They showed him all these kinds of techniques.

0:22:02 > 0:22:05How to sneak around and kill people with knives.

0:22:05 > 0:22:08- Oh!- Cut throats and slash their legs, all that.

0:22:08 > 0:22:10Why aren't you talking about that in court?

0:22:10 > 0:22:14Because the jury would be able to separate from TV and real life.

0:22:14 > 0:22:16Look, we're strong enough without that kind of crap!

0:22:16 > 0:22:19- The cops framed his ass, anyway. - Mm-hmm.

0:22:19 > 0:22:20Is that right, Byron?

0:22:20 > 0:22:23- Oh, no. You're on your own now, brother.- No, no, no, no, no.

0:22:23 > 0:22:25Come on, come on, come on, come on!

0:22:25 > 0:22:27What's your theory?

0:22:27 > 0:22:30Well, I think that cracker cop planted that glove.

0:22:30 > 0:22:34And they all did what they had to do to prove that OJ did it.

0:22:34 > 0:22:35That's what I think.

0:22:37 > 0:22:38Hmm.

0:22:38 > 0:22:39OK.

0:22:47 > 0:22:49Here's the crime scene Bundy.

0:22:50 > 0:22:52Here's OJ's house.

0:22:53 > 0:22:55OK.

0:22:55 > 0:22:57Furhman made up his mind

0:22:57 > 0:22:59at Bundy that Simpson did it.

0:22:59 > 0:23:02Even though he had no idea if OJ

0:23:02 > 0:23:05had an iron-clad alibi that would then ruin Furhman's career

0:23:05 > 0:23:08and land him in jail.

0:23:08 > 0:23:11Fuhrman takes the glove at Bundy, makes sure it has Goldman

0:23:11 > 0:23:16and Nicole's DNA on it, jumps in the car with the other detectives,

0:23:16 > 0:23:20heads to Rockingham with it, where he gets into the Bronco,

0:23:20 > 0:23:24somehow getting all that evidence in it,

0:23:24 > 0:23:26including Simpson's blood.

0:23:26 > 0:23:31- Right.- Even though the police didn't have Simpson's blood

0:23:31 > 0:23:34- until the next day.- Mm, mm, mm.

0:23:34 > 0:23:37Then he goes over the wall...

0:23:37 > 0:23:40plants the glove behind Kato's room.

0:23:40 > 0:23:43Then, with the help of the rest of his super secret cabal

0:23:43 > 0:23:47of OJ-hating racist cops, he starts getting everything just so,

0:23:47 > 0:23:49just where it needs to be.

0:23:49 > 0:23:53Nicole AND Ron AND OJ's blood

0:23:53 > 0:23:56into OJ's bedroom.

0:23:56 > 0:23:59OJ's blood, back to Bundy.

0:23:59 > 0:24:02Oh, and OJ's Bronco's fibres back to Bundy, too.

0:24:02 > 0:24:05Oh, and they don't forget to get rid of the real killer's blood

0:24:05 > 0:24:10from the back gate - no, no, no - and replace it with OJ's blood.

0:24:10 > 0:24:13Then OJ's sock, they get that back to Bundy

0:24:13 > 0:24:15to pick up all the blood,

0:24:15 > 0:24:18and then get that sucker right back to Rockingham, too.

0:24:18 > 0:24:23These guys are a well-oiled conspiracy machine, after all.

0:24:25 > 0:24:28All this during a time when everyone involved is under

0:24:28 > 0:24:32the most relentless media scrutiny in American history.

0:24:32 > 0:24:36- HE IMITATES EXPLOSION - And all this for an unknown killer.

0:24:39 > 0:24:40- Maybe.- No!

0:24:43 > 0:24:45- No!- Man, you're good.

0:24:45 > 0:24:47You're real good.

0:24:47 > 0:24:50- When this is all over, you should go work for Johnnie.- Oh!

0:24:50 > 0:24:53- Both of you!- Yeah, yeah. Ha, ha. Very funny.

0:24:53 > 0:24:54SHE IMITATES EXPLOSION

0:24:54 > 0:24:56This round is on me.

0:24:59 > 0:25:02- Yo.- Hm.- She is a trip.

0:25:02 > 0:25:05You got schooled, both of you.

0:25:05 > 0:25:06Tonight's the night, player.

0:25:06 > 0:25:09Out of town. Her kids are at home.

0:25:09 > 0:25:13- Y'all been drinkin' a little bit. - And she's my co-worker. That's all.

0:25:13 > 0:25:16Mm-hmm? Look, you ever thought about making that happen...

0:25:18 > 0:25:19..tonight's the night.

0:25:19 > 0:25:21- Yes, sir.- I'm just saying!

0:25:31 > 0:25:33THEY LAUGH

0:25:35 > 0:25:38- Oh! No, no!- Yeah!

0:25:38 > 0:25:39Oh, my God!

0:25:42 > 0:25:47- Ahh!- Well, I am coming back here next weekend, with or without you.

0:25:47 > 0:25:50- Well, my friends might prefer it that way.- Mm-hm.

0:25:55 > 0:25:56This is me.

0:26:00 > 0:26:03- This...311?- Yeah, 311.- Yeah.

0:26:16 > 0:26:18Uh...

0:26:18 > 0:26:19well...

0:26:33 > 0:26:35..goodnight.

0:26:50 > 0:26:51Goodnight, Darden.

0:27:23 > 0:27:26- Hey, Big Time, got you a coffee. - Had one already.

0:27:27 > 0:27:29Oh, no, just leave that open. Thanks.

0:27:32 > 0:27:34Listen, I've been thinking.

0:27:34 > 0:27:36Mm-hm?

0:27:38 > 0:27:40I think you and I should just go for it.

0:27:40 > 0:27:41SHE CHUCKLES

0:27:41 > 0:27:43And what does that mean?

0:27:44 > 0:27:47Let's make OJ put on those gloves.

0:27:47 > 0:27:50We need a big one. Big moment, right?

0:27:51 > 0:27:53We talked about this before.

0:27:53 > 0:27:56And I decided that it's not a good idea. At all.

0:27:56 > 0:27:57And not the right time, if it were.

0:27:57 > 0:28:01But today's the glove testimony. It's the only time.

0:28:01 > 0:28:04Come on, hm? We got to get down there.

0:28:04 > 0:28:06The idea of OJ just standing there,

0:28:06 > 0:28:08in front of those cameras and the jury,

0:28:08 > 0:28:11- wearing those gloves... - Chris, come on.

0:28:11 > 0:28:15We're going downstairs to get our conviction today.

0:28:15 > 0:28:18We have his gloves with all the DNA, everybody's blood,

0:28:18 > 0:28:19the fibres, all of it.

0:28:19 > 0:28:23We have a receipt that proves he owned them. We're done.

0:28:23 > 0:28:25We've been dealt a king and a ten.

0:28:25 > 0:28:27I don't know why you want to ask the dealer for another card.

0:28:27 > 0:28:30- Because I know it's an ace. - No, you don't!

0:28:31 > 0:28:34You turn over control of a demonstration to the opponent,

0:28:34 > 0:28:36you don't know what's going to happen.

0:28:36 > 0:28:39And certainly not to the defendant himself.

0:28:41 > 0:28:43OK?

0:28:43 > 0:28:45Come on, let's go.

0:28:51 > 0:28:53Do you think there's any way that these two gloves

0:28:53 > 0:28:55could not be a pair?

0:28:55 > 0:28:57I'd have to say it would be virtually impossible.

0:29:08 > 0:29:11All right, at this time, we will take a 15 minute recess.

0:29:11 > 0:29:12HE BANGS GAVEL

0:29:35 > 0:29:37HE SIGHS DRAMATICALLY

0:29:48 > 0:29:50- Hello, Mike.- Bob.

0:30:42 > 0:30:43Hey.

0:30:48 > 0:30:51Are any of you interested in something other than

0:30:51 > 0:30:53a conspiracy theory?

0:30:53 > 0:30:55Some real, demonstrable evidence?

0:30:57 > 0:30:59A little bit of real lawyering?

0:31:02 > 0:31:05Those gloves are too small.

0:31:11 > 0:31:14- Yes, Bob?- I tried the glove on in there myself, it didn't fit.

0:31:14 > 0:31:17It will never fit him! I think we should have him try it on in court.

0:31:17 > 0:31:19I think it's a terrible idea. What if it doesn't work?

0:31:19 > 0:31:22You don't make a play in there if you don't know the outcome.

0:31:22 > 0:31:25- I know the outcome. - My hand is bigger than Bob's!

0:31:25 > 0:31:26Put me in, Coach!

0:31:29 > 0:31:31So, saying we...wanted to...

0:31:32 > 0:31:34- ..how do we present it?- We don't.

0:31:37 > 0:31:39We get them to present it.

0:31:44 > 0:31:46Hm.

0:32:11 > 0:32:12Marcia,

0:32:12 > 0:32:15they're glazing over, and we got to get up and take it back.

0:32:15 > 0:32:17Chris...no way.

0:32:17 > 0:32:19Enough.

0:32:19 > 0:32:20OK?

0:32:22 > 0:32:23I'm sorry.

0:32:23 > 0:32:25- Marcia...- Let me be clear.

0:32:26 > 0:32:29This is my case. You work for me here.

0:32:29 > 0:32:31And when I say drop it, you drop it.

0:32:33 > 0:32:35Are we clear?

0:32:35 > 0:32:38- Are you seriously saying that to me? - You're making me say it.- OK.

0:32:53 > 0:32:57You, sir, have the balls of a stud field mouse.

0:32:57 > 0:32:58What did you just say to me?

0:32:58 > 0:33:01If you don't ask him to try on the gloves, I will.

0:33:01 > 0:33:03All rise!

0:33:13 > 0:33:14All right, you may be seated.

0:33:21 > 0:33:23And these gloves, the ones you've brought today,

0:33:23 > 0:33:25these would fit the wearer

0:33:25 > 0:33:27just as the ones here in evidence would, is that correct?

0:33:27 > 0:33:30Your Honour? Sidebar.

0:33:30 > 0:33:32Counsel, approach the bench.

0:33:38 > 0:33:41Your Honour, I see where this is going, and I'm not having it.

0:33:41 > 0:33:43And where is that, Counsellor?

0:33:43 > 0:33:45There'll be no demonstrations involving my client.

0:33:45 > 0:33:49If Mr Simpson chooses to testify, and we want to have him

0:33:49 > 0:33:51try on the actual glove in evidence, that's one thing.

0:33:51 > 0:33:54Further, I submit the timing is inappropriate, Your Honour.

0:33:54 > 0:33:56- Is that right, Johnnie? - That's right.- For who?

0:33:56 > 0:33:59Opposing counsel hasn't asked for anything of the kind, Mr Cochran.

0:33:59 > 0:34:02Your Honour, they just tried to bring in these ringer gloves here.

0:34:02 > 0:34:04They seem to be overly concerned about what

0:34:04 > 0:34:06I might or might not want to do before I've even done it.

0:34:06 > 0:34:08He can ask for whatever he wants to ask for, Mr Cochran.

0:34:08 > 0:34:12You can object if you want to object. Now let's proceed.

0:34:26 > 0:34:29Your Honour, at this time, the People would ask that Mr Simpson

0:34:29 > 0:34:32step forward and try on the gloves recovered from Bundy and Rockingham.

0:34:33 > 0:34:35GASPS AND CHATTER IN AUDIENCE

0:34:39 > 0:34:42We have no objection, Your Honour.

0:35:36 > 0:35:39Mr Simpson, please approach the jury.

0:36:40 > 0:36:41These gloves are too small.

0:36:41 > 0:36:43CHATTER

0:36:45 > 0:36:47Too tight. They won't fit.

0:36:47 > 0:36:50Can Mr Simpson please straighten his fingers?

0:36:58 > 0:37:01Can we ask that he make a fist? With his right hand.

0:37:07 > 0:37:08Can we ask that he...

0:37:10 > 0:37:13..grasp an object with his hand? A marker, perhaps?

0:37:15 > 0:37:17Objection, Your Honour.

0:37:17 > 0:37:19Sustained.

0:37:19 > 0:37:20Have we seen enough, Your Honour?

0:37:22 > 0:37:24Mr Darden?

0:37:26 > 0:37:27Thank you.

0:37:29 > 0:37:32No, your Honour. I have nothing...

0:37:32 > 0:37:33I have nothing further.

0:37:43 > 0:37:45He was...making them not fit.

0:37:46 > 0:37:48I mean, you saw what he was doing.

0:37:48 > 0:37:51And he had the gloves under the...

0:37:51 > 0:37:53He kept his fingers stiff.

0:37:53 > 0:37:55He was acting, he was just...

0:38:44 > 0:38:47PHONE RINGS

0:38:47 > 0:38:49'Hello, you've reached the Goldman residence.

0:38:49 > 0:38:52'Please leave your message, and we will return your call.'

0:38:52 > 0:38:55- MACHINE BEEPS - Fred, uh, it's Chris Darden.

0:38:56 > 0:38:57Um...

0:38:59 > 0:39:01I'm sorry about what happened today.

0:39:02 > 0:39:03I am sorry.

0:39:06 > 0:39:07But it's not over yet.

0:39:07 > 0:39:09We'll come back from this.

0:39:09 > 0:39:10We will.

0:39:13 > 0:39:15OK. You know, call me any time.

0:39:16 > 0:39:17Bye.

0:39:23 > 0:39:25HE SIGHS DEEPLY