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0:00:43 > 0:00:45- Before long, I'll be 60.
0:00:45 > 0:00:47- Sixty!
0:00:47 > 0:00:50- I can't believe it. - It's a joke, surely?
0:00:50 > 0:00:54- When I was growing up, - 40 seemed awfully old.
0:00:54 > 0:00:57- As for 60, well!
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- Women of a certain age - are invisible.
0:01:05 > 0:01:07- I'm no longer young...
0:01:08 > 0:01:10- ..but I don't feel old.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12- Inside, I feel 18.
0:01:12 > 0:01:14- But I've had a long life...
0:01:14 > 0:01:17- ..with many happy and sad times.
0:01:17 > 0:01:19- I've been a winner and a loser.
0:01:24 > 0:01:27- I'm an adult, - quite a responsible one by now.
0:01:27 > 0:01:30- A house, a dog and two children.
0:01:30 > 0:01:33- I'm supposed to know all the answers.
0:01:35 > 0:01:38- Sometimes I feel more insecure...
0:01:38 > 0:01:41- ..and more fragile than ever before.
0:01:41 > 0:01:45- Am I the only woman in Wales - who feels like this?
0:01:48 > 0:01:52- I'm on a nationwide trip - to meet others of the same age...
0:01:52 > 0:01:56- ..to research, to discuss - and to try to find out the truth.
0:01:58 > 0:02:02- I like to think of myself - as a volcano about to erupt.
0:02:03 > 0:02:05- For me, it's all about freedom.
0:02:06 > 0:02:08- There are no yucky bodily functions.
0:02:09 > 0:02:13- What's more, other people - have children for us - like men.
0:02:16 > 0:02:18- I've learnt to do this in photos.
0:02:20 > 0:02:22- It'll be fun, don't you think?
0:02:23 > 0:02:25- We're in our old folks' homes...
0:02:25 > 0:02:27- ..fancying a bit of nooky.
0:02:31 > 0:02:35- When I reached 60, - I wore a thong for the first time.
0:02:38 > 0:02:40- This decade, from 50 to 60...
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- ..is an amazing period - in women's lives.
0:02:44 > 0:02:49- It's a time of alteration. - The "change".
0:02:49 > 0:02:51- It's a word that's taboo.
0:02:51 > 0:02:53- The menopause.
0:02:54 > 0:02:57- In Welsh, it's "darfyddiad".
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- Is this the end?
0:03:06 > 0:03:08- It's as though I'm "in between".
0:03:08 > 0:03:13- It's an age band without a name. - I'm in between mid-life and old age.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16- Between sanity and losing the plot.
0:03:16 > 0:03:19- I'm in between being and not being.
0:03:19 > 0:03:22- "To be or not to be, - that is the question."
0:03:24 > 0:03:28- But how? - I wish I felt less mixed-up.
0:03:30 > 0:03:33- It's like being a teenager again.
0:03:33 > 0:03:37- We all know of teenage problems...
0:03:37 > 0:03:39- ..and finding oneself.
0:03:39 > 0:03:43- Right now, - I want to find myself again.
0:03:44 > 0:03:46- I'm on my way to meet those women...
0:03:46 > 0:03:50- ..who experienced that - exciting, turbulent time with me.
0:03:50 > 0:03:52- Do they feel the same way?
0:04:08 > 0:04:11- I'm from Llandyfaelog, - between Carmarthen and Llanelli.
0:04:12 > 0:04:18- Before moving there, my family - had lived on the coast in Ferryside.
0:04:20 > 0:04:23- I remember this enchanting beach...
0:04:23 > 0:04:27- ..and a walk with friends - on my 15th birthday.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29- I moaned to them about growing old!
0:04:30 > 0:04:33- Am I in essence - that same 15-year-old girl?
0:04:36 > 0:04:41- These friends were my classmates - during high school in Carmarthen.
0:04:41 > 0:04:45- The Queen Elizabeth - Grammar School for Girls.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49- Kathleen still lives in town...
0:04:49 > 0:04:53- ..but I've not seen - Sian or Dorothy since schooldays.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56- The urge - to talk about the past is strong.
0:05:00 > 0:05:04- The four of us went to high school - in the early 1960s.
0:05:08 > 0:05:10- There's Sharon.
0:05:10 > 0:05:14- It was a time of change - for female expectations.
0:05:14 > 0:05:16- A whiff of rebellion was in the air.
0:05:18 > 0:05:20- That's me there, and...
0:05:20 > 0:05:22- That's me there, and...- - Kathleen next to you?
0:05:26 > 0:05:28- This was a trip to France.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31- I recall feeling - painfully unattractive.
0:05:31 > 0:05:35- My curls and my breasts - were quite inappropriate...
0:05:35 > 0:05:37- ..when the Twiggy look was 'in'.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40- I always thought I was fat.
0:05:41 > 0:05:43- I look a little bit anorexic.
0:05:44 > 0:05:45- Those dark glasses!
0:05:46 > 0:05:48- This is the only play we performed.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52- There's you. - I remember you walking on stage.
0:05:52 > 0:05:55- Being a male character - in the school play...
0:05:55 > 0:05:57- ..was really quite a relief!
0:05:58 > 0:06:00- What about this one?
0:06:01 > 0:06:05- Take a look at yourself there. - It's an amazing photo.
0:06:09 > 0:06:11- The uniform had to be perfect.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15- The gymslip had to be - a certain length above the knee.
0:06:15 > 0:06:17- Yes, I remember the posture girdles!
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- The clothes we wore then - were also important to us.
0:06:21 > 0:06:25- Fashion influenced - the way you looked.
0:06:25 > 0:06:27- Well, yes, maybe...
0:06:27 > 0:06:30- ..but it didn't bother me too much!
0:06:30 > 0:06:34- You always wore purple, - trendy clothes and big earrings.
0:06:35 > 0:06:36- Well, yes.
0:06:38 > 0:06:42- Are we now more self-confident - about the way we look?
0:06:42 > 0:06:43- I don't know.
0:06:43 > 0:06:46- Sometimes, - I change my dress before going out.
0:06:46 > 0:06:50- I don't fancy that, - I'll wear something else.
0:06:50 > 0:06:54- Is that just a matter of preference, - or an age-related decision?
0:06:55 > 0:06:57- Oh, no, that's not an issue at all.
0:06:57 > 0:07:00- I'll wear what I want!
0:07:01 > 0:07:04- Women of our age, - when we were growing up...
0:07:04 > 0:07:08- ..looked rather different from us, - didn't they?
0:07:08 > 0:07:12- I remember asking Dorothy - a question in town once.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15- "Do I have to look like my mother - when I'm 50?"
0:07:15 > 0:07:18- You said no!
0:07:21 > 0:07:24- That hairstyle, the home perm.
0:07:24 > 0:07:28- There was also the question - of our life pattern.
0:07:28 > 0:07:32- Were we just supposed to marry, - have children and so on.
0:07:32 > 0:07:35- Did you have a plan - about what was going to happen?
0:07:36 > 0:07:38- I wanted to leave home, certainly.
0:07:39 > 0:07:42- I needed to get away from my village - and live in a town.
0:07:43 > 0:07:45- I wanted to enjoy myself.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48- I don't know - how I ended up teaching.
0:07:48 > 0:07:52- Each year, I wanted to leave - because I didn't like school!
0:07:52 > 0:07:54- What about you, Kathleen?
0:07:54 > 0:07:58- I'd wanted to be a vet - since I was about seven years old.
0:07:58 > 0:08:01- I taught before I became a vet...
0:08:02 > 0:08:06- ..but I got there in the end - and yes, there was a plan of sorts.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09- I was disorganized - and I didn't plan properly.
0:08:10 > 0:08:15- I wanted to be a psychotherapist. - I knew I wanted to do that.
0:08:15 > 0:08:20- Having made it your career, - do women in their 60s visit you?
0:08:20 > 0:08:23- No, not many, really.
0:08:23 > 0:08:28- I think it's too late - to do an analysis in your 60s.
0:08:29 > 0:08:32- It's a time to forget, - rather than remember.
0:08:32 > 0:08:35- You two are grandmothers now.
0:08:35 > 0:08:40- Yes, I have three children, - and my eldest daughter has two boys.
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- They don't call me Mam-gu, - they can't say that, so Gu Gu.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48- I have three grandchildren - and they call me Mama Gu!
0:08:48 > 0:08:51- Once again, - neither of you resemble the image...
0:08:52 > 0:08:55- ..of how a grandmother should look.
0:08:55 > 0:08:59- You have no children - but you're happy about that.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- Yes, it wasn't part of the plan - and it didn't happen.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06- There are plenty of children - in my family.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08- I'm quite happy about that.
0:09:08 > 0:09:12- Looking back, I don't know - if I'd have wanted children.
0:09:12 > 0:09:14- I don't think I would.
0:09:14 > 0:09:18- I don't love animals - more than people, it's not that.
0:09:18 > 0:09:20- It's just how it's happened.
0:09:20 > 0:09:23- Are we the same people - we used to be?
0:09:24 > 0:09:26- Are we as we were in our schooldays?
0:09:26 > 0:09:30- I don't think any one of us - has changed dramatically.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33- It was so easy to re-connect today.
0:09:33 > 0:09:37- We're here together - and we all look the same.
0:09:37 > 0:09:39- Well, within reason!
0:09:48 > 0:09:50- Only the exterior changes.
0:09:51 > 0:09:53- Time is irrelevant.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56- This is a secret - which older people ought to share.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00- Our bodies are different...
0:10:00 > 0:10:03- ..but it's the same person inside.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11- A period of 40 years has passed.
0:10:11 > 0:10:13- And it's gone like the wind...
0:10:13 > 0:10:16- ..in the wink of a pink mouse, - as Mam would say.
0:10:17 > 0:10:21- What struck me - was the wealth of their experience.
0:10:21 > 0:10:25- They'd gained it - living lives of their own choosing.
0:10:25 > 0:10:28- They'd shaped their own destinies.
0:10:28 > 0:10:31- They'd lived life - as they wanted it to be.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34- That's what came over very strongly.
0:10:34 > 0:10:39- It linked someone - with something that had been lost.
0:10:39 > 0:10:43- As you grow older, - you like to hold on to that...
0:10:43 > 0:10:45- ..before it's too late.
0:10:48 > 0:10:50- But on with the journey.
0:10:50 > 0:10:54- The image we present to the world - speaks volumes...
0:10:54 > 0:10:57- ..but which version - do we wish to project?
0:11:03 > 0:11:08- I'm meeting someone whose business - relies on dealing with images.
0:11:13 > 0:11:17- Christine Kinsey is an artist, - still working in her 60s.
0:11:18 > 0:11:21- Our work - - my autobiographical dramas...
0:11:21 > 0:11:24- ..and her paintings - of Valleys' women...
0:11:24 > 0:11:27- ..have often touched - on the same themes.
0:11:27 > 0:11:31- This time, - Christine will paint my portrait.
0:11:31 > 0:11:33- And I will wear red!
0:11:35 > 0:11:38- I like this. - It makes me look intelligent.
0:11:38 > 0:11:40- This one's nice too.
0:11:41 > 0:11:43- Why do you take these photographs?
0:11:43 > 0:11:48- I want to see the facial details...
0:11:48 > 0:11:50- ..and the colour of the dress.
0:11:51 > 0:11:54- I would like to paint - a portrait of Sharon...
0:11:55 > 0:11:58- ..as I've seen her in the theatre...
0:11:59 > 0:12:03- ..portraying - many different characters.
0:12:04 > 0:12:07- You had a name for this colour - - madder?
0:12:07 > 0:12:10- Madder. More mad. Very appropriate!
0:12:10 > 0:12:12- I'd better wear my dress now.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- I'd like to produce a painting...
0:12:16 > 0:12:19- ..showing Sharon's own character.
0:12:25 > 0:12:27- I've always loved clothes.
0:12:28 > 0:12:31- Colours, shapes and jewels.
0:12:32 > 0:12:36- One of my main delights in acting - is being able to dress up.
0:12:37 > 0:12:40- Actors must be very aware - of their appearance...
0:12:40 > 0:12:43- ..for they are the instrument.
0:12:44 > 0:12:47- My body, my heart, my head.
0:12:51 > 0:12:56- However, along with most actors, - I hate having my own photo taken.
0:12:56 > 0:13:01- Someone is trying to reflect - the external image back at me.
0:13:01 > 0:13:03- But this feels different.
0:13:03 > 0:13:08- Chris says she wants the portrait - to show the inner me.
0:13:08 > 0:13:12- Older women - seldom appear in portraits.
0:13:12 > 0:13:17- When they do, - it's not usually in a positive way.
0:13:22 > 0:13:27- Often, they appear - as women without a voice.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30- Their life is over.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39- I try to show women...
0:13:39 > 0:13:41- ..of all ages...
0:13:41 > 0:13:45- ..as subjects and not objects.
0:13:48 > 0:13:52- What's quite frightening - is how Christine looks at you.
0:13:52 > 0:13:54- All artists must do that, I suppose.
0:13:55 > 0:13:57- She measures the body's details.
0:13:57 > 0:14:02- You get the feeling - she's gazing through all that.
0:14:02 > 0:14:05- It's her quest for the soul - or the real me inside.
0:14:06 > 0:14:08- It's a very strange feeling.
0:14:08 > 0:14:12- I've played scores of women - over the years.
0:14:12 > 0:14:16- I always wear a mask when acting - but this time I felt quite naked.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20- It'll be interesting to see - what becomes of it.
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0:14:29 > 0:14:31- 888- - 888
0:14:36 > 0:14:40- I'm on a journey around Wales, - meeting women like myself.
0:14:40 > 0:14:44- We inhabit that no-man's land - between mid-life and old age.
0:14:53 > 0:14:57- In the 1970s, after graduating, - I came to north Wales
0:14:57 > 0:15:01- I'd only been there - three times previously.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03- It was a leap in the dark.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- It was like an exotic faraway land.
0:15:07 > 0:15:09- Bangor. Ah, Bangor.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- This is where I launched a career...
0:15:13 > 0:15:16- ..which has mapped out - the course of my life.
0:15:16 > 0:15:18- I made friends with Marged Esli.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23- Like me, she was training - as an actor with Cwmni Theatr Cymru.
0:15:26 > 0:15:30- We've both appeared on stage - countless times since then...
0:15:30 > 0:15:35- ..and on television and radio - stations for well over 40 years.
0:15:36 > 0:15:39- We'd need a wheelbarrow - for all our stories.
0:15:39 > 0:15:42- Do you remember this, Blewyn Glas?
0:15:42 > 0:15:44- It was a feature programme we did.
0:15:45 > 0:15:47- I don't recall it at all.
0:15:47 > 0:15:49- Look at our dresses.
0:15:49 > 0:15:51- It's all very floral, isn't it?
0:15:52 > 0:15:55- We should take better care - of our photos. Look at this!
0:15:56 > 0:15:58- It's all crumpled up.
0:15:58 > 0:16:00- Oh!
0:16:00 > 0:16:02- That's when we lived up the road.
0:16:03 > 0:16:05- Do you remember?
0:16:05 > 0:16:07- It shows us full of optimism.
0:16:07 > 0:16:08- Yes.
0:16:08 > 0:16:09- Yes.- - Well, we were!
0:16:09 > 0:16:14- We both had confidence, - but also lacked confidence too.
0:16:14 > 0:16:16- We were willing to get stuck in.
0:16:16 > 0:16:18- We were willing to get stuck in.- - Look at those plucked eyebrows.
0:16:18 > 0:16:21- Very neat. - Or we were scared stiff!
0:16:22 > 0:16:24- How about this one?
0:16:24 > 0:16:26- Wait now, look!
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- That's our house there.
0:16:28 > 0:16:31- "Ex-princesses are out of work."
0:16:31 > 0:16:33- Oh, so it happened then too!
0:16:34 > 0:16:39- It was after we'd done - the pantomime, Mawredd Mawr.
0:16:39 > 0:16:42- It was the first pantomime in Welsh.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- You and I played two princesses.
0:16:45 > 0:16:47- You were a cat - who turned into a princess.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51- With a remarkable trick at the end.
0:16:51 > 0:16:55- Like you, - I didn't take the traditional path.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58- I didn't get married young - and have children.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- I didn't follow the logical pattern - expected of me.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04- I've been a little girl all my life.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06- Now, I've arrived.
0:17:06 > 0:17:10- It's not middle age. - This is where I've reached.
0:17:10 > 0:17:11- I'm 60.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14- But for me, - the adventure begins now.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16- I hope that's right.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18- In my experience, however...
0:17:19 > 0:17:23- ..finding work as you get older - becomes even more difficult.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27- There are no parts for older women.
0:17:27 > 0:17:32- There aren't that many in Wales - and you've bagged most of them!
0:17:32 > 0:17:34- You worked on Tipyn O Stad.
0:17:34 > 0:17:38- I did Tipyn O Stad, yes, - and I was 55 when I started.
0:17:38 > 0:17:41- I was the oldest female in the cast.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- It's not a true reflection - of society, is it?
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- John Ogwen was older - - he was playing my husband.
0:17:49 > 0:17:52- Actors who were my contemporaries - on screen...
0:17:52 > 0:17:55- ..were younger, playing older roles.
0:17:55 > 0:17:59- Then there was this sheer drop - until the next generation.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04- That's bizarre in a play - as it's not like that in real life.
0:18:04 > 0:18:07- In normal society, - you'd have people of all ages.
0:18:08 > 0:18:12- That's not the case in Pobol Y Cwm. - The old folks' home has gone.
0:18:12 > 0:18:14- I wanted to be one of the residents!
0:18:15 > 0:18:20- In The House Of Bernarda Alba, - I was an octogenarian - Maria Josefa.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22- What will I be doing when I'm 80?
0:18:23 > 0:18:29- Selina Scott wrote in an article - that women over 50 on television...
0:18:29 > 0:18:34- ..tend to be either eccentric - or in some way funny.
0:18:35 > 0:18:37- Mad or eccentric is how she puts it.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- I've played my share of crazy people.
0:18:40 > 0:18:42- Let's hope we see more women...
0:18:43 > 0:18:47- ..who are mad and eccentric, - but who offer something else too.
0:18:47 > 0:18:50- Women of our age - lead full, energetic lives.
0:18:51 > 0:18:55- There's no reason for them - not to be portrayed on television.
0:18:55 > 0:18:58- Why? Are we really so deadly boring?
0:18:58 > 0:18:59- Why? Are we really so deadly boring?- - Are we invisible?
0:18:59 > 0:19:04- If people don't see us, consider - the image they have of a grandmother.
0:19:04 > 0:19:07- We still think of someone that age...
0:19:07 > 0:19:09- ..although it has changed, I admit...
0:19:10 > 0:19:13- ..as a little old lady, - a granny knitting by the fire.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16- That's what the audience gets.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20- I remember Mam telling me - something a few years back.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22- She's 85 and as fit as a fiddle.
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- She still drives. - She hasn't lost her marbles.
0:19:26 > 0:19:30- She remembers a period - when she became invisible.
0:19:30 > 0:19:33- She remembers it happening to her.
0:19:33 > 0:19:37- She said it seemed - as if nobody could actually see you.
0:19:38 > 0:19:40- She also gave me a warning.
0:19:40 > 0:19:45- You'll find people will speak to you - through someone else.
0:19:45 > 0:19:49- "Does your mother take sugar - in her tea?" That sort of thing.
0:19:49 > 0:19:52- Is that going to happen to us?
0:19:52 > 0:19:53- Is that going to happen to us?- - I don't know.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56- We'll have to shout out loudly.
0:19:56 > 0:19:58- How will we develop?
0:19:59 > 0:20:01- I see myself as a kind of volcano.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04- I've been smouldering...
0:20:04 > 0:20:06- ..and I'll eventually erupt!
0:20:08 > 0:20:10- Will you come back in ten years?
0:20:10 > 0:20:14- We'll do this story again - and see where we are then.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19- It was lovely chatting to Magi.
0:20:19 > 0:20:22- We keep in touch - but haven't acted together much.
0:20:23 > 0:20:27- There's a dearth of older women - roles, and certainly two together!
0:20:28 > 0:20:32- What's so nice is to know that - someone else feels the same way...
0:20:32 > 0:20:35- ..confirming your own feelings...
0:20:35 > 0:20:41- ..and shares the same feelings - about the past when reminiscing.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44- It makes you feel secure - and is uplifting.
0:20:44 > 0:20:47- What's the word I'm looking for?
0:20:47 > 0:20:51- I feel that it's not only me - who has this outlook.
0:20:51 > 0:20:53- Other people feel the same.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59- Maybe the person remains the same...
0:21:00 > 0:21:03- ..but the needs can change.
0:21:04 > 0:21:07- What satisfies us in our 20s...
0:21:07 > 0:21:09- ..is not enough now.
0:21:09 > 0:21:13- We're searching - for more control, more depth.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15- We're growing up.
0:21:17 > 0:21:19- I'm no longer a little girl.
0:21:19 > 0:21:21- I'm nobody's daughter.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23- I'm an orphaned adult.
0:21:30 > 0:21:34- As we grow older, we all face - the prospect of losing our parents.
0:21:36 > 0:21:41- The experience of losing my mother - ten years ago was horrific.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45- Suddenly, - the world was an insecure place.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47- My mother lived only in my dreams.
0:21:50 > 0:21:52- I've come here, - to Galeri, Caernarfon.
0:21:52 > 0:21:57- I'm going to meet Gillian Green - to talk about her bereavement.
0:21:57 > 0:22:02- I couldn't imagine the sun rising - the next day, to be honest...
0:22:02 > 0:22:05- ..yet life carried on - for everybody else.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09- I felt as though my world - had changed completely.
0:22:09 > 0:22:11- It was a very weird feeling.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14- Nothing in the world of education...
0:22:14 > 0:22:17- ..had prepared you for this.
0:22:17 > 0:22:19- Nothing at all. It was such a shock.
0:22:24 > 0:22:26- I happened to be with her - when she died.
0:22:26 > 0:22:28- My father was there too.
0:22:29 > 0:22:33- I remember my father removing - the wedding ring from her finger.
0:22:34 > 0:22:36- He gave it to me.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39- He said, "Off we go."
0:22:39 > 0:22:43- He said that Mam was no longer - there, it was only her body.
0:22:43 > 0:22:45- Her spirit wasn't there.
0:22:45 > 0:22:47- How did you cope?
0:22:48 > 0:22:50- Well...
0:22:50 > 0:22:53- ..just by thinking a lot about her.
0:22:53 > 0:22:57- I had a very happy childhood - in Cricieth and Pwllheli.
0:22:57 > 0:23:01- Of course, for my father, - it was also a time of grieving.
0:23:01 > 0:23:05- He'd lost his wife of 50 years.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07- I had to look after him too.
0:23:09 > 0:23:14- Not long after her mother's death, - Gillian's father passed away too.
0:23:14 > 0:23:17- That came as a shock.
0:23:17 > 0:23:20- This time though, - I was prepared to a degree.
0:23:20 > 0:23:23- He'd been suffering from cancer.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25- Do you dream about them at all?
0:23:25 > 0:23:27- Yes, I do, to be honest.
0:23:28 > 0:23:31- It's strange, because in my dream...
0:23:31 > 0:23:34- ..I know that both are dead...
0:23:34 > 0:23:37- ..and yet they're so alive.
0:23:37 > 0:23:39- That's my take on eternal life.
0:23:40 > 0:23:42- They're always there.
0:23:47 > 0:23:50- Gillian used to earn a living - as a harpist.
0:23:50 > 0:23:55- Nowadays, sponsored by Age Concern's - Gwanwyn Festival funding...
0:23:56 > 0:24:00- ..she gives harp lessons - to a group of older women.
0:24:00 > 0:24:03- I'd taught adults before...
0:24:03 > 0:24:06- ..when I taught children years ago.
0:24:06 > 0:24:09- All the same, - this is something special for me.
0:24:10 > 0:24:15- Each time after a practice, - I feel it's been a therapy for me.
0:24:15 > 0:24:17- They're taking it seriously.
0:24:18 > 0:24:22- I hope it's therapeutic for them, - just as it's therapeutic for me.
0:24:26 > 0:24:31- The support we offer one another - in times of grief soothes the soul.
0:24:31 > 0:24:34- Meeting new friends - can be a lot of fun too.
0:24:37 > 0:24:42- I always feel that the harp - has an extra special quality.
0:24:42 > 0:24:46- I remember touching the harp - for the first time.
0:24:46 > 0:24:48- It was a thrill and a privilege...
0:24:49 > 0:24:51- ..just to play the harp strings.
0:24:51 > 0:24:55- It gives a sense of achievement.
0:24:55 > 0:25:00- You feel as if you've done something - that's worthwhile and enjoyable.
0:25:01 > 0:25:02- It's difficult, isn't it?
0:25:02 > 0:25:04- It's difficult, isn't it?- - Oh, yes, I have arthritis.
0:25:05 > 0:25:07- It affects my hand - and can be painful.
0:25:07 > 0:25:11- You must practise - to keep the fingers nimble.
0:25:11 > 0:25:13- You go up and down the scales.
0:25:13 > 0:25:18- It's physical, energetic work - and you use your whole body.
0:25:18 > 0:25:23- Yes, you do, absolutely. - You must keep your shoulders down.
0:25:24 > 0:25:27- Your elbows need to be up! - Wrists down.
0:25:29 > 0:25:33- Judith, you were telling me - about your musical family...
0:25:34 > 0:25:36- ..and how you felt left out.
0:25:36 > 0:25:38- My girls came here for lessons.
0:25:38 > 0:25:42- I felt I was the only one - who didn't have lessons here.
0:25:43 > 0:25:46- It's when I decided - to learn a new instrument.
0:25:47 > 0:25:50- My daughter, Elen, - was already having lessons.
0:25:50 > 0:25:54- She tends to say, - "Not like that, not like that."
0:25:54 > 0:25:58- It's home then after the lesson, - to have yet another lesson!
0:25:59 > 0:26:02- Jane, you have four daughters.
0:26:02 > 0:26:04- They've left home.
0:26:04 > 0:26:06- It can get quite lonely.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10- You work away from home, - then you stay at home...
0:26:11 > 0:26:13- ..to bring up the children...
0:26:13 > 0:26:15- ..and then they've all left.
0:26:15 > 0:26:21- It's good to look forward - to something new and to see people.
0:26:21 > 0:26:23- We all enjoy it so much...
0:26:23 > 0:26:25- ..and we've made friends...
0:26:26 > 0:26:28- ..and we're good friends by now too.
0:26:28 > 0:26:32- We keep in touch anyway. - We want to carry on.
0:26:39 > 0:26:41- The important factor is...
0:26:41 > 0:26:46- ..that they'd wanted to take it up - when they were young, as children.
0:26:46 > 0:26:51- It's excellent - that they're now realizing a dream.
0:26:52 > 0:26:54- It calls for hard work - and dedication.
0:26:55 > 0:26:58- If you want to do something - yourself, it's easier.
0:26:58 > 0:27:01- It was a delightful experience.
0:27:05 > 0:27:06- .
0:27:08 > 0:27:08- 888
0:27:08 > 0:27:10- 888- - 888
0:27:11 > 0:27:13- The journey continues...
0:27:14 > 0:27:18- ..as I research the condition - of women of a certain age.
0:27:20 > 0:27:25- Women are everywhere. It's a fact. - We're over half the population.
0:27:26 > 0:27:31- More women of a certain age - exist now than ever before.
0:27:31 > 0:27:36- But as we get older, - it's as though we disappear.
0:27:36 > 0:27:40- Society seems unsure - of what to make of us.
0:27:40 > 0:27:45- Should we be thrown on the tip? - Are we getting too old for sex?
0:27:45 > 0:27:50- Living in the shadow of society's - prejudice is an oppression...
0:27:50 > 0:27:55- ..as is battling to create - an impression of perpetual youth.
0:27:55 > 0:27:59- As with everything else these days, - attitudes to sex are changing.
0:27:59 > 0:28:02- Are we losing the desire - to empower the penis...
0:28:03 > 0:28:05- ..so that we can - empower ourselves instead?
0:28:06 > 0:28:10- I'm going to talk to a woman - who knows the subject inside out.
0:28:14 > 0:28:19- Sex doesn't finish when a woman - reaches a certain age, does it?
0:28:19 > 0:28:21- No. Why should sex stop?
0:28:21 > 0:28:25- If a woman feels sexual - and needs sex...
0:28:25 > 0:28:28- ..age should not be a barrier.
0:28:28 > 0:28:33- There's a tendency to assume - that people of our age are asexual.
0:28:34 > 0:28:35- I think that's terrible.
0:28:36 > 0:28:39- As women, - we have changed completely...
0:28:39 > 0:28:41- ..our needs and our personal lives.
0:28:42 > 0:28:46- What sexual problems - might there be as we grow older?
0:28:47 > 0:28:50- First of all, - when you reach the menopause...
0:28:51 > 0:28:55- ..you can lose - your desire for sex...
0:28:55 > 0:28:58- ..coupled with the tiredness factor.
0:28:58 > 0:29:03- Fatigue and a lack of desire - is not a recipe for great sex.
0:29:04 > 0:29:06- That's the first point.
0:29:06 > 0:29:09- Changes occur to the body.
0:29:09 > 0:29:11- The skin dries up.
0:29:11 > 0:29:14- The juices dry up, - and that's a major problem.
0:29:14 > 0:29:17- It can make sex painful.
0:29:17 > 0:29:22- Once sex has become painful, - the brain withdraws.
0:29:22 > 0:29:27- Of course, sex is linked to emotion.
0:29:27 > 0:29:31- It must all be present - for the juices to flow.
0:29:31 > 0:29:34- The lubrication - needs to be there for sex.
0:29:35 > 0:29:39- There's a lot of pressure nowadays, - on women of all ages really...
0:29:40 > 0:29:44- ..to have frequent sex, to swing - from the chandeliers and so on.
0:29:44 > 0:29:47- What if you have a reduced libido?
0:29:47 > 0:29:49- The female libido is tricky.
0:29:49 > 0:29:52- Once the libido's gone, - it's gone...
0:29:52 > 0:29:58- ..though some have tried Viagra, - with limited success...
0:29:58 > 0:30:01- ..but generally, that's a problem.
0:30:01 > 0:30:05- If someone doesn't feel like it, - why force the issue?
0:30:05 > 0:30:10- What about our future, - when we'll be in our 80s?
0:30:10 > 0:30:12- It'll be fun.
0:30:13 > 0:30:17- We're in our old folks' homes - fancying a bit of nookie.
0:30:18 > 0:30:20- It's a problem already.
0:30:20 > 0:30:24- We see people having the need - for a relationship...
0:30:24 > 0:30:28- ..and from that relationship, - sex becomes an issue.
0:30:28 > 0:30:33- Maybe it isn't as passionate - as in our 30s and 40s...
0:30:33 > 0:30:35- ..but it's still there.
0:30:36 > 0:30:40- Our generation must ensure - that the facilities are there...
0:30:40 > 0:30:44- ..in homes for the elderly - so that we can be ourselves.
0:30:44 > 0:30:49- It's part of our human rights to be - a sexual person, whatever our age.
0:30:50 > 0:30:55- I wonder if that's why they closed - the old folks' home in Pobol Y Cwm!
0:30:58 > 0:31:03- I'm off to examine the nation's - lingerie on the Eisteddfod Maes.
0:31:05 > 0:31:11- Thousands and thousands of women - come to the Eisteddfod each year.
0:31:11 > 0:31:13- The stereotypes are all around me.
0:31:14 > 0:31:18- Mums, reciters, singing duets.
0:31:18 > 0:31:21- We still await a female Archdruid.
0:31:21 > 0:31:23- No woman's been given the top job.
0:31:24 > 0:31:28- Even so, women play important roles - tirelessly, behind the scenes.
0:31:29 > 0:31:32- But in relation to status - and recognition for women...
0:31:32 > 0:31:35- ..the Eisteddfod - is a chauvinist retreat...
0:31:36 > 0:31:38- ..like so many Welsh institutions.
0:31:38 > 0:31:41- However, there's change afoot.
0:31:42 > 0:31:47- This year in Bala, Merched y Wawr - are surrounding the Pavilion...
0:31:48 > 0:31:50- ..with nearly a thousand bras.
0:31:50 > 0:31:55- This is Merched y Wawr's home, - both spiritually and geographically.
0:31:55 > 0:31:59- The organization - was established in Parc in 1967.
0:31:59 > 0:32:01- After years of jam-making...
0:32:01 > 0:32:06- ..Merched y Wawr has become - political and vocal, thankfully.
0:32:06 > 0:32:10- We worked with Oxfam - on a bra recycling project.
0:32:10 > 0:32:14- Bras are in short supply - in the developing world.
0:32:14 > 0:32:18- The status of women is raised - in those countries if bras are worn.
0:32:19 > 0:32:23- We'd set ourselves a small, - realistic target of 3,000.
0:32:23 > 0:32:30- We've already got 12,000! Well over - 300 have reached the Maes today.
0:32:38 > 0:32:42- A thousand bras billowing - in the breeze. Out and proud!
0:32:42 > 0:32:46- There's something about us all, - an almost shameful secret...
0:32:46 > 0:32:48- ..which happens to women.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51- The Change, the Menopause...
0:32:51 > 0:32:54- ..or in Old Testament-sounding - Welsh...
0:32:54 > 0:32:56- .."Darfyddiad y Mislif".
0:33:00 > 0:33:03- Darfyddiad y Mislif - - end of menstruation.
0:33:03 > 0:33:05- Is it a fair description?
0:33:06 > 0:33:10- I don't know. In the olden days, - people died much younger.
0:33:10 > 0:33:12- Not many women reached that age.
0:33:12 > 0:33:16- I think that's why we don't - have an everyday name for it.
0:33:16 > 0:33:20- However, we used to say, - when a girl started her periods...
0:33:20 > 0:33:23- ..that she'd come to her place.
0:33:23 > 0:33:27- Perhaps the phrase means - we're leaving our place.
0:33:27 > 0:33:29- Do we feel that life's ending?
0:33:29 > 0:33:32- No, no, - I think we're opening a new chapter.
0:33:33 > 0:33:35- It's an exciting time in our lives.
0:33:35 > 0:33:37- We're like men now, Sharon.
0:33:37 > 0:33:41- Once this monthly bleeding stops, - we're what men are.
0:33:41 > 0:33:43- We don't have moods, fantastic.
0:33:44 > 0:33:47- And other people have children - for us - just like men.
0:33:48 > 0:33:50- I'd rather it be called the release.
0:33:51 > 0:33:54- There are no yucky bodily functions.
0:33:54 > 0:33:57- I feel a whole lot better now, - to be honest.
0:33:58 > 0:34:00- How did you cope with the symptoms?
0:34:00 > 0:34:03- Well, it's different for everybody.
0:34:03 > 0:34:07- I was travelling back and forth - to north Wales at the time.
0:34:08 > 0:34:11- I would time the hot flushes.
0:34:11 > 0:34:14- I thought it's only two minutes...
0:34:14 > 0:34:17- ..every hour, or maybe half hour.
0:34:17 > 0:34:23- I thought it's a shame if I can't - endure two minutes every half hour.
0:34:23 > 0:34:26- It wasn't a long time really.
0:34:27 > 0:34:31- It's been difficult because - my breast had to be removed...
0:34:31 > 0:34:33- ..in the middle of all this.
0:34:33 > 0:34:38- I was one of these women - who was on HRT and very glad of it.
0:34:39 > 0:34:42- Of course, on discovering - the cancer, the tumour...
0:34:42 > 0:34:45- ..HRT had to stop immediately.
0:34:45 > 0:34:50- Then I had to lose my breast - and all the glands and so on.
0:34:50 > 0:34:53- As a result, - I've had a second menopause.
0:34:54 > 0:34:59- I've had to pause some more - before going forward...
0:34:59 > 0:35:03- ..to have a new breast, - new energy, new hormones, new hair!
0:35:04 > 0:35:06- What do you call it?
0:35:06 > 0:35:07- What do you call it?- - Menopause, Sharon.
0:35:07 > 0:35:10- "Newid". Change, a small change.
0:35:10 > 0:35:12- What's Welsh for hot flush?
0:35:12 > 0:35:14- What's Welsh for hot flush?- - I don't know.
0:35:15 > 0:35:17- "Teimlo'n dwym" - feeling hot.
0:35:17 > 0:35:20- Oh, no, that's different altogether!
0:35:24 > 0:35:29- After all the fun, let's get away - from the Eisteddfod's testosterone.
0:35:30 > 0:35:33- We'll go to a better place.
0:35:36 > 0:35:39- No, it's not the caravan park - under cover of darkness.
0:35:39 > 0:35:41- It's a trip to the far side - of the lake...
0:35:42 > 0:35:45- ..with women who are celebrating - their sunset years.
0:35:48 > 0:35:51- Veronica, Meinir, - Rhiannon and Gwenno...
0:35:51 > 0:35:53- ..Cath, Margarette and Ann...
0:35:53 > 0:35:57- ..have come to the Eisteddfod - from all corners of Wales.
0:36:11 > 0:36:14- We're going on a journey - to the end of the line.
0:36:14 > 0:36:18- We'll chat about - the symptoms and side-effects...
0:36:18 > 0:36:21- ..of the menopause.
0:36:25 > 0:36:30- What's the worst symptom - about the menopause?
0:36:31 > 0:36:33- The name in Welsh puts you off.
0:36:33 > 0:36:36- It's an old-fashioned Welsh name...
0:36:36 > 0:36:39- ..coined by a man, I'd say.
0:36:39 > 0:36:43- "Darfyddiad" - - the "dar" comes from "darfod"...
0:36:43 > 0:36:45- ..suggesting our lives are over.
0:36:45 > 0:36:51- More positively, it's like the word - for discovery - "darganfyddiad".
0:36:51 > 0:36:53- We're discovering our new selves.
0:36:54 > 0:36:59- I believe it's a realization - that it's the beginning of the end.
0:36:59 > 0:37:04- Then you realize it's perhaps - the start of something else.
0:37:04 > 0:37:08- There's a light - at the end of the tunnel, we hope!
0:37:09 > 0:37:11- What about the symptoms?
0:37:12 > 0:37:16- It was the heavy periods initially - which I found were terrible.
0:37:16 > 0:37:19- They lasted for days on end, - for weeks really.
0:37:20 > 0:37:24- Going to work was really hard, - as was my daily routine.
0:37:24 > 0:37:26- The worst symptom - for me was sweating.
0:37:27 > 0:37:30- I was hot and craved cold drinks.
0:37:30 > 0:37:34- If I had fresh air - and a cold drink, I'd get over it.
0:37:34 > 0:37:37- Having always felt the cold...
0:37:37 > 0:37:40- ..and being a fan of polo necks...
0:37:40 > 0:37:43- ..I now have to dress differently.
0:37:43 > 0:37:47- I wear garments that can - be discarded or put on quickly...
0:37:47 > 0:37:50- ..if I'm sweating or shivering.
0:37:50 > 0:37:53- I'm less agile - and I get aches and pains.
0:37:53 > 0:37:57- Young girls are so agile. - They can twist and turn.
0:37:58 > 0:38:02- I've learnt, when I'm photographed, - to make sure I go like this.
0:38:03 > 0:38:05- The tendency is to be like this...
0:38:05 > 0:38:08- ..because my joints can be painful.
0:38:08 > 0:38:11- This has accompanied - the major change.
0:38:11 > 0:38:16- You've been so used to everything - working perfectly all your life.
0:38:16 > 0:38:21- You have regular periods, - then suddenly it's all change.
0:38:21 > 0:38:23- It all goes haywire.
0:38:23 > 0:38:27- I can't fathom why my body - won't function as I want it to...
0:38:28 > 0:38:31- ..to allow me - to carry on with my life.
0:38:31 > 0:38:34- It's also a battle - to be positive constantly.
0:38:35 > 0:38:39- You do get negative thoughts, - even sub-consciously when sleeping.
0:38:40 > 0:38:44- I can see why some women - can't get through the menopause.
0:38:44 > 0:38:46- It's tough.
0:38:46 > 0:38:51- You need zest to keep up - your spirit every hour of every day.
0:38:51 > 0:38:52- That's what I feel.
0:38:52 > 0:38:55- That's what I feel.- - Emotions kick in with a vengeance.
0:38:55 > 0:38:59- I cry nowadays when watching - sad scenes on television...
0:39:00 > 0:39:02- I never used to do that.
0:39:02 > 0:39:06- I've heard of people - who put magnets in their knickers!
0:39:08 > 0:39:10- You'd never dare sit - on a metal chair!
0:39:16 > 0:39:18- What about HRT?
0:39:19 > 0:39:20- Was that a help, or not?
0:39:21 > 0:39:25- I was scared of HRT because, - and I don't know if it's a myth...
0:39:26 > 0:39:30- ..I had an idea that my voice - might deepen considerably.
0:39:30 > 0:39:34- I didn't want a voice like a man, - as some women have.
0:39:35 > 0:39:38- As a singer, - I wanted to keep my soprano voice!
0:39:39 > 0:39:41- I had HRT for about ten years.
0:39:41 > 0:39:43- We then had a new GP.
0:39:43 > 0:39:47- He decided right away - that enough was enough.
0:39:47 > 0:39:52- There was talk of associated - heart problems and breast cancer.
0:39:53 > 0:39:56- As a result, - life became more difficult.
0:39:56 > 0:39:58- How do you see the next stage?
0:39:58 > 0:40:01- How do you see the next stage?- - There'll be no more children.
0:40:02 > 0:40:05- But then you become a grandmother.
0:40:06 > 0:40:09- Your grandchildren fill your life - and life begins again.
0:40:10 > 0:40:13- As a gran, you learn to play - football and cricket.
0:40:13 > 0:40:17- When I was 61, - I took up horse riding.
0:40:18 > 0:40:21- When I reached 60, - I wore a thong for the first time.
0:40:26 > 0:40:29- It was great just to hear - that being said...
0:40:30 > 0:40:33- ..and discussing matters openly - for the first time.
0:40:34 > 0:40:36- What's so good is the debate.
0:40:36 > 0:40:39- We're speaking to the nation really.
0:40:39 > 0:40:42- It's not acknowledged, - it's concealed...
0:40:43 > 0:40:47- ..but it's a wonderful feeling - to identify with other women.
0:40:52 > 0:40:53- .
0:40:54 > 0:40:54- 888
0:40:54 > 0:40:56- 888- - 888
0:41:04 > 0:41:07- I've met many entertaining, - serious and funny women...
0:41:08 > 0:41:11- ..during my exciting tour of Wales.
0:41:11 > 0:41:14- I've met a number of grandmothers...
0:41:14 > 0:41:18- ..empty-nest mothers, - and women who've never had children.
0:41:19 > 0:41:23- I've not met someone of my age - with a youngster still at home.
0:41:23 > 0:41:27- If I was classed as an older mum - when I had my son Steffan...
0:41:28 > 0:41:29- ..when I was only 30...
0:41:30 > 0:41:34- ..I suppose I was ancient when I had - my daughter Saran at the age of 46.
0:41:34 > 0:41:38- Not Mami so much as Mummy!
0:41:42 > 0:41:46- I regard it as a privilege - to be an older mother.
0:41:46 > 0:41:48- Hello!
0:41:50 > 0:41:52- It's good to see Saran...
0:41:52 > 0:41:55- ..with Jenny and her son Jack - who, in my absence...
0:41:55 > 0:41:59- ..has been looking after Saran - and Pandy the dog.
0:42:04 > 0:42:08- There are young mothers - and families all around me.
0:42:08 > 0:42:12- There are thousands - in Cardiff on a sunny weekend.
0:42:13 > 0:42:16- Many of them seem very young - to an old woman like me.
0:42:18 > 0:42:22- My contemporaries have got - used to their empty nests.
0:42:22 > 0:42:27- In the evenings and at weekends, - they can enjoy themselves.
0:42:27 > 0:42:33- Whilst others of my age group - have plenty of free time...
0:42:33 > 0:42:38- ..my life's a whirl of school - activities and social events...
0:42:38 > 0:42:43- ..the clothes, the music, - and all those blessed sleepovers.
0:42:45 > 0:42:48- This is what's defined me - in my late mid-life.
0:42:48 > 0:42:53- I love it all, - even if it isn't the norm.
0:42:59 > 0:43:01- I could be a grandmother.
0:43:01 > 0:43:06- I could be a gran - to my daughter's friends' parents!
0:43:06 > 0:43:08- Let's not mention the teachers.
0:43:08 > 0:43:13- Even though it's challenging - and tiring work at times...
0:43:13 > 0:43:17- ..on the whole, it's an experience - which keeps me young.
0:43:17 > 0:43:22- It also makes it hard for me - to accept that I'm nearly 60.
0:43:29 > 0:43:32- What did I learn on my journey?
0:43:34 > 0:43:37- Did I gain an insight - to what it's like to be 60?
0:43:37 > 0:43:39- How should someone be at 60?
0:43:40 > 0:43:43- Is being 60 different - to being any other age?
0:43:43 > 0:43:46- What about being 50 or 40?
0:43:47 > 0:43:51- My generation has always broken - new ground, gone its own way.
0:43:51 > 0:43:56- We talk to each other, - discuss our experiences...
0:43:56 > 0:43:59- ..and realize that our role - is not to respond...
0:44:00 > 0:44:02- ..to how other people see us.
0:44:02 > 0:44:04- We should be true to ourselves...
0:44:05 > 0:44:09- ..have courage and conviction - to express our views...
0:44:10 > 0:44:12- ..and not to be scared to do so.
0:44:15 > 0:44:20- I still feel "in between" stages - and it's quite a good feeling.
0:44:20 > 0:44:24- If you're between stages, you can - expect to reach another stage.
0:44:24 > 0:44:26- Isn't that right?
0:44:29 > 0:44:33- More than anything, - I wanted to be free.
0:44:33 > 0:44:36- It was what other women wanted too.
0:44:36 > 0:44:40- I wanted to decide where I'd go, - how I'd live and what I'd do.
0:44:40 > 0:44:45- I wouldn't be tied down, - I wouldn't be chained.
0:44:53 > 0:44:56- I've learnt - that I can feel 18 again...
0:44:58 > 0:45:01- ..that volcanoes - are about to erupt...
0:45:01 > 0:45:05- ..that childhood dreams - can still be realized...
0:45:06 > 0:45:11- ..and that homes for the elderly - are full of people who want sex.
0:45:11 > 0:45:15- We won't live forever - so we should enjoy it while we can.
0:45:15 > 0:45:20- I expected life to progress - and improve in our 60s and 70s.
0:45:21 > 0:45:26- But it can regress a bit - as conservatism takes over.
0:45:27 > 0:45:31- I look at younger women - and think they've accepted their lot.
0:45:31 > 0:45:34- They don't question - as much as they used to.
0:45:34 > 0:45:37- It's a matter of three steps forward, - two steps back.
0:45:38 > 0:45:40- What about the menopause?
0:45:40 > 0:45:43- Is there light - at the end of the tunnel?
0:45:44 > 0:45:46- We're managing to carry on.
0:45:46 > 0:45:51- Women continue with their lives - while all these changes happen.
0:45:51 > 0:45:55- They're managing to deal - with life...
0:45:55 > 0:46:00- ..but society doesn't grant it the - attention and respect it deserves.
0:46:08 > 0:46:10- Do I regret anything?
0:46:11 > 0:46:12- No.
0:46:14 > 0:46:17- I fantasize sometimes. - It's part of the job.
0:46:17 > 0:46:22- What could be. - Life's possibilities are endless.
0:46:22 > 0:46:26- Even after reaching the age - when I can draw my pension.
0:46:28 > 0:46:30- Now I'm 60.
0:46:30 > 0:46:33- I don't have time to cough - between my work and Saran...
0:46:34 > 0:46:37- ..but, hey, I have to fit in - a social life somehow.
0:46:42 > 0:46:47- It wouldn't be right to arrive late - to my own 60th birthday party.
0:46:50 > 0:46:53- We children - of the Second World War...
0:46:54 > 0:46:56- ..fed on cod liver oil and rosehips.
0:46:56 > 0:47:01- It's no wonder we survived the years - of sex, drugs and rock and roll.
0:47:04 > 0:47:09- On a positive note, life feels - brighter and more exciting...
0:47:10 > 0:47:14- ..as the wings of time guide us - towards the end of our lives.
0:47:14 > 0:47:17- Like my first trip - to north Wales years ago...
0:47:17 > 0:47:21- ..the next 20 years - will be another leap in the dark.
0:47:21 > 0:47:25- With my pension book in one hand - and a bus pass in the other...
0:47:26 > 0:47:28- ..I'm going to live my life - to the full.
0:47:32 > 0:47:34- Cheers, everyone.
0:47:34 > 0:47:39- Let me raise a glass to us - and the welfare state.
0:47:39 > 0:47:42- My generation has felt - its full benefit...
0:47:43 > 0:47:47- ..as we embrace life - in all its complex disorganization.
0:47:48 > 0:47:49- Well, Sharon, here you are.
0:47:55 > 0:47:57- To Sharon.
0:47:57 > 0:47:59- To Sharon.
0:48:10 > 0:48:12- It's stunning.
0:48:14 > 0:48:15- It's exciting.
0:48:16 > 0:48:18- What a presence.
0:48:19 > 0:48:21- I might put it in the attic.
0:48:21 > 0:48:24- Then I can look 60 forever.
0:48:26 > 0:48:28- As someone once said...
0:48:28 > 0:48:31- ..a 60-year-old woman - who continues to see the world...
0:48:32 > 0:48:34- ..through the eyes - of a 20-year-old...
0:48:34 > 0:48:36- ..has wasted 40 years.
0:48:38 > 0:48:41- The same will be true when I'm 80.
0:48:50 > 0:48:54- My wish is not to waste - the next 20 years.
0:49:01 > 0:49:05- After all, - it's an honour to grow old.
0:49:06 > 0:49:08- Not everyone does.
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