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0:00:01 > 0:00:05- 50? We don't look a day over 30!
0:00:05 > 0:00:08- How do they expect us - to blow these out?
0:00:08 > 0:00:11- It's the job of one man, - and one man only.
0:00:18 > 0:00:21- Oggie, oggie, oggie!
0:00:22 > 0:00:26- No, I'm the man. - I've a fantastic pair of lungs.
0:00:27 > 0:00:29- No, not you, you idiot.
0:00:31 > 0:00:33- Loose-Head Lloyd.
0:00:43 > 0:00:48- Being a rugby supporter in Wales - is like being on a fairground ride.
0:00:48 > 0:00:53- One minute you're - clutching the edges of your seats...
0:00:53 > 0:00:56- ..adrenalin pumping - and heart pounding.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00- The relief.
0:01:02 > 0:01:07- And the next minute, - a nightmare ride on the ghost train.
0:01:12 > 0:01:16- Over the past 50 years, - a company near Pontypridd...
0:01:16 > 0:01:18- ..has been busy chronicling...
0:01:19 > 0:01:23- ..some of the era's players - and prominent successes.
0:01:23 > 0:01:26- This year, the World of Groggs...
0:01:26 > 0:01:29- ..celebrates its 50th birthday.
0:01:29 > 0:01:31- Everyone loves Groggs.
0:01:32 > 0:01:36- Every time a new Grogg - was created of one of the players...
0:01:37 > 0:01:40- ..you could tell - they were chuffed to bits.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- It's something personal.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- You win the first cap, - you play for Wales...
0:01:48 > 0:01:52- ..and then you look forward - to having a Grogg made of you.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56- You know you're - an important player in Wales...
0:01:56 > 0:01:59- ..when a Grogg's made of you.
0:01:59 > 0:02:02- I remember a couple of months ago...
0:02:02 > 0:02:06- ..Liam Williams - came up to me and said...
0:02:06 > 0:02:11- .."It's a big day for me because - I'm going to the Grogg shop."
0:02:11 > 0:02:15- I said to him, "You've made it."
0:02:15 > 0:02:19- When the boys are asked...
0:02:20 > 0:02:23- ..they're very proud - and very pleased too.
0:02:24 > 0:02:28- I remember Gavin Henson - going into the Grogg shop...
0:02:28 > 0:02:32- ..and asking for - more of a six-pack, more muscles...
0:02:32 > 0:02:34- ..and darker skin.
0:02:34 > 0:02:36- He was happy in the end...
0:02:37 > 0:02:40- ..because his Grogg looked lush.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- People often say - to my wife Margaret...
0:02:44 > 0:02:48- .."It doesn't look like Clive."
0:02:49 > 0:02:52- She says to them, - "That's the man I married."
0:02:52 > 0:02:54- It's exactly like the man I married.
0:02:55 > 0:02:58- The Hughes family - are the guardians of the kingdom.
0:02:59 > 0:03:03- The Groggmeister in the workshop - is Richard...
0:03:03 > 0:03:07- ..while sister Kathy runs the shop.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- But it was in the garden shed - of the late John Hughes...
0:03:11 > 0:03:13- ..that everything started.
0:03:14 > 0:03:17- Dad just had an idea - when we were all kids.
0:03:17 > 0:03:20- He was working, - doing normal jobs and he decided...
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- ..he was going to give up work - and start making things out of clay.
0:03:25 > 0:03:29- He had this idea of doing things - from the Old Testament...
0:03:29 > 0:03:32- ..and from the Mabinogion, - giants especially.
0:03:32 > 0:03:34- Until he put them in rugby shirts...
0:03:35 > 0:03:37- ..people - didn't understand what they were.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41- Once he made the conversion - into rugby, everybody clued up.
0:03:42 > 0:03:46- John moved to this pub and - turned it into the World of Groggs.
0:03:46 > 0:03:49- The building's been painted - in Wales' colours...
0:03:50 > 0:03:53- ..and has become - an altar for all things Welsh.
0:03:56 > 0:04:00- It's welcomed many stars - through its doors over the years.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06- A tradition that still continues.
0:04:06 > 0:04:09- I think it was after the World Cup.
0:04:10 > 0:04:14- Rhys Priestland and I went there.
0:04:14 > 0:04:19- You go upstairs and you're - photographed from every angle.
0:04:19 > 0:04:22- Then you're - shown around the museum...
0:04:22 > 0:04:26- ..and you see photos - of the boys who've gone before you.
0:04:26 > 0:04:30- It's a great experience.
0:04:33 > 0:04:36- I remember going to the shop - back in '89.
0:04:36 > 0:04:38- Seven or eight Wales players...
0:04:38 > 0:04:41- ..had been selected...
0:04:41 > 0:04:46- ..for the Lions tour to Australia.
0:04:46 > 0:04:50- John and Richard made Groggs - of us all in Lions' jerseys.
0:04:50 > 0:04:53- You go inside - and it's like a museum.
0:04:53 > 0:04:59- There are shirts - from people like Phil Bennett...
0:04:59 > 0:05:02- ..and the All Blacks - from the 1960s and 1970s.
0:05:03 > 0:05:07- You get to see the - very first Groggs that were made.
0:05:08 > 0:05:13- You also get to see the other - players you're lined up with...
0:05:14 > 0:05:17- ..who've had Groggs - made over the years.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21- You go in for five minutes - and leave five hours later...
0:05:21 > 0:05:24- ..because there are - so many things to see.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28- Some were just Groggs, - others had jerseys and things.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32- The creators are very hospitable.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35- They dedicate - so much of their to players...
0:05:35 > 0:05:38- ..and famous people...
0:05:38 > 0:05:42- ..to make these Groggs so good.
0:05:42 > 0:05:46- It wasn't - just about what you looked like.
0:05:46 > 0:05:49- They spoke to you and so on.
0:05:49 > 0:05:53- It was more than just visual. - They got in here too.
0:05:53 > 0:05:56- 1969 was a turning point - in the history of the Groggs.
0:05:57 > 0:06:00- A collection - went on sale for the first time...
0:06:00 > 0:06:03- ..after the Wales v England game.
0:06:03 > 0:06:07- It was the Welsh turn to show them - what they should've done.
0:06:07 > 0:06:09- Wales trounced the old enemy.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13- In his elation, - one keen supporter bought the lot.
0:06:14 > 0:06:19- It was obvious to John Hughes that - there was a future for the Groggs.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22- The Wales coach that day - was Clive Rowlands.
0:06:22 > 0:06:28- The game in '69 was - an important game for me as a coach.
0:06:33 > 0:06:36- Wales on the attack again, - England weren't getting a look-in.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- Wales was completely on fire.
0:06:40 > 0:06:44- The rugby was on fire, - Max was on fire, Gren was on fire.
0:06:44 > 0:06:46- Groggs was just beginning.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49- They had an ability.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53- They had an ability - to make you smile at first...
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- ..but then you were pleased - to have them in your hand.
0:06:58 > 0:07:01- The captain - was the young Sir Gareth.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04- 25 points to six, - and they weren't finished yet.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08- He was the first ever player - to have a Grogg made of him.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- The Welsh scored 30, England - put on three penalty points...
0:07:12 > 0:07:15- ..but they were small consolation.
0:07:16 > 0:07:19- There was - something artistic about it all...
0:07:19 > 0:07:23- ..because it didn't resemble - what you looked like.
0:07:24 > 0:07:27- Everyone had an opinion about it.
0:07:27 > 0:07:29- People's opinions varied.
0:07:29 > 0:07:33- I remember people saying, - "What do you think of those Groggs?
0:07:33 > 0:07:35- "They look nothing like you."
0:07:36 > 0:07:38- But I supported...
0:07:39 > 0:07:42- ..John's creations.
0:07:42 > 0:07:45- I'd say, - "That's not what it's all about.
0:07:45 > 0:07:49- "It's an artist's impression."
0:07:49 > 0:07:54- People - who'd had a Grogg made of them...
0:07:54 > 0:07:59- ..felt more important - than those who hadn't had one made.
0:08:00 > 0:08:03- The more successful they became...
0:08:03 > 0:08:06- ..the more the people - who weren't in the shop...
0:08:07 > 0:08:10- ..who weren't made into Groggs...
0:08:10 > 0:08:13- ..the more - they wanted a Grogg made of them.
0:08:13 > 0:08:16- John created the Groggs.
0:08:16 > 0:08:20- He'd created a different world.
0:08:20 > 0:08:25- You felt - as though the Groggs were alive.
0:08:25 > 0:08:28- Before the JPRs and the Geralds...
0:08:28 > 0:08:31- ..John created - another special Wales team.
0:08:32 > 0:08:36- But these were from his imagination. - Welcome to the Uglies.
0:08:36 > 0:08:41- They might not have been - as successful as the real team...
0:08:41 > 0:08:45- ..but they still frightened - the opposition on the pitch.
0:08:45 > 0:08:50- They were world famous, weren't - they? In their own minds, at least!
0:08:51 > 0:08:56- What's he talking about? We Uglies - should be on the top shelf.
0:08:56 > 0:09:01- We were the ones out in the rain - and mud every Saturday...
0:09:01 > 0:09:06- ..in our heavy boots and sharp - studs, shouting at each other.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08- What did you say?
0:09:08 > 0:09:11- Shouting on the pitch, - not in the pub, you idiot!
0:09:12 > 0:09:15- We never came last, mind you. - We always came second.
0:09:16 > 0:09:18- Never second in the punch throwing!
0:09:21 > 0:09:25- In the early '80s, with Wales' - successes on the pitch...
0:09:25 > 0:09:29- ..not quite reaching - the high points of the '70s...
0:09:29 > 0:09:33- ..John and Richard decided they - couldn't only rely on Welsh Groggs.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- It was time - to reach for the passport.
0:09:37 > 0:09:41- The Groggs - travelled around the world.
0:09:41 > 0:09:45- Everyone knows about - this little shop in Pontypridd...
0:09:45 > 0:09:49- ..and what they do.
0:09:50 > 0:09:54- I know David Campese well.
0:09:55 > 0:09:59- I think he likes the fact...
0:09:59 > 0:10:02- ..that his Grogg - stands in a shop in Pontypridd.
0:10:04 > 0:10:06- I was in the Italians' museum...
0:10:07 > 0:10:11- ..about 100 kilometres from Rome...
0:10:11 > 0:10:14- ..and that's where they were.
0:10:14 > 0:10:20- From Parisse - to players before his time.
0:10:20 > 0:10:24- Wales players, New Zealand players.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28- In the corner, it caught my eye - as soon as I walked in...
0:10:28 > 0:10:33- ..was a small Grogg of Sid Going...
0:10:33 > 0:10:36- ..a former All Blacks player - from my era.
0:10:36 > 0:10:39- He was one of the world's - greatest scrum-halves.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43- I spotted a Grogg of me - in the other corner.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46- I was surprised it was there. - They're everywhere.
0:10:46 > 0:10:51- It was bad enough being pushed aside - by players like Gerald and JPR...
0:10:51 > 0:10:58- ..let alone foreign players like - Serge Blanco and Big Mouth Campese.
0:10:58 > 0:11:01- And those big faces.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03- He's an Englishman, not a Frenchman.
0:11:04 > 0:11:06- You mean Billy Big Mouth.
0:11:06 > 0:11:09- It could be worse. - Imagine if they did footballers.
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0:11:22 > 0:11:25- The Groggs - are 50 years old this year.
0:11:25 > 0:11:31- Over the years, rugby's biggest - stars have all been Grogged.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34- But they aren't - the only privileged ones.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37- There have also been - rock stars, boxers...
0:11:37 > 0:11:42- ..and even footballers - who've grabbed the limelight.
0:11:53 > 0:11:56- It's over for us Uglies.
0:11:56 > 0:12:00- Footballers, rock stars, - politicians too.
0:12:00 > 0:12:05- Police? Where? I got the jewellery - from the Cockneys. They're not mine.
0:12:06 > 0:12:08- Cushty!
0:12:09 > 0:12:11- Politicians, not police!
0:12:11 > 0:12:13- They're sitting in the back.
0:12:14 > 0:12:18- He takes his dog everywhere and - she's always dressed for a fight.
0:12:20 > 0:12:25- I can't even go for a dance now - - the drunk man's sliding around.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28- The quiff's hogging the karaoke.
0:12:29 > 0:12:31- You can forget the darts.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34- Do you feel lucky?
0:12:34 > 0:12:36- Do you? Prop?
0:12:38 > 0:12:41- They even Grogg referees nowadays.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44- Referees?
0:12:44 > 0:12:47- I wasn't - the first referee to be Grogged.
0:12:47 > 0:12:51- Clive Norling and Derek Bevan - had a Grogg made of them....
0:12:51 > 0:12:55- ..but I was the first referee - whose Grogg went on sale.
0:12:55 > 0:12:59- I was refereeing in Australia - last year or the year before.
0:12:59 > 0:13:03- Some of the Australian players, - I think it was James O'Connor...
0:13:04 > 0:13:07- ..who told me that he and Pocock...
0:13:08 > 0:13:11- ..had been to the Grogg shop - to have a Grogg made.
0:13:11 > 0:13:14- While they were there - they saw my Grogg.
0:13:15 > 0:13:20- Three weeks after they'd been to the - Grogg shop, I was refereeing them...
0:13:20 > 0:13:23- ..during the autumn internationals.
0:13:23 > 0:13:26- They said - they'd seen my Grogg before a game.
0:13:27 > 0:13:31- They didn't pass comment in case - I sent them off during the game.
0:13:32 > 0:13:34- They wear microphones now.
0:13:34 > 0:13:36- Lucky there were none in my day.
0:13:36 > 0:13:41- I know someone who has a wardrobe - assistant and wears hair gel.
0:13:41 > 0:13:44- That's not me. - I don't wear hair gel.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47- I wear wax - because my hair gets in a mess.
0:13:47 > 0:13:50- Wax keeps it stiff - to keep it in place.
0:13:52 > 0:13:57- They'll be on TV programmes next, - trying to make people laugh.
0:13:58 > 0:14:03- You're lucky I'm not refereeing - you, otherwise you'd be in trouble.
0:14:03 > 0:14:05- How does he know we're here?
0:14:05 > 0:14:08- How does he know we're here?- - Maybe the club installed a ref cam!
0:14:12 > 0:14:14- Grogg is a type of clay.
0:14:14 > 0:14:18- Over the years, the Groggs - have changed their appearance.
0:14:19 > 0:14:23- The old type of clay, - the scars and the blood...
0:14:23 > 0:14:25- ..have disappeared.
0:14:26 > 0:14:30- When my dad first started making - figures, everything was unique.
0:14:30 > 0:14:34- It was a one-off thing. - It was fired in a kiln and glazed.
0:14:35 > 0:14:37- That was it, in a world of its own.
0:14:37 > 0:14:40- But then - we went to moulds quite early.
0:14:40 > 0:14:44- But they were plaster moulds - for clay figures.
0:14:45 > 0:14:49- Now we've changed to resin, - but that allows us...
0:14:49 > 0:14:51- ..to do a lot more detailed work.
0:14:51 > 0:14:54- It allows me - a lot more freedom as a modeller.
0:14:56 > 0:15:00- But there are a few things - missing on some players.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- People wanted my Grogg - with a scrum cap on...
0:15:05 > 0:15:07- ..but my mother wanted it without.
0:15:08 > 0:15:11- I only wear a scrum cap to play...
0:15:11 > 0:15:15- ..to make me - look like an action man.
0:15:15 > 0:15:19- On a statue - it was visually different.
0:15:20 > 0:15:24- But I'm quite happy with my arms. - I work hard on them.
0:15:25 > 0:15:28- I think they're just about perfect.
0:15:28 > 0:15:32- I took stick from Jamie - because he's losing his hair.
0:15:32 > 0:15:35- His first Grogg has lots of hair.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40- They need to do another one with - less hair on the top of his head!
0:15:41 > 0:15:43- It's a good resemblance...
0:15:44 > 0:15:48- ..but I don't know if my nose - is quite as long as that...
0:15:49 > 0:15:51- ..and my ears quite that big...
0:15:51 > 0:15:54- ..but it's a close resemblance.
0:15:54 > 0:15:56- The best thing is...
0:15:56 > 0:16:00- ..the guns and the legs, the quads, - are in proportion.
0:16:03 > 0:16:05- It's not only - the bodies and faces...
0:16:06 > 0:16:10- ..that drew Richard and John's - attention in the early days.
0:16:10 > 0:16:14- I was the coach - and I had a cigarette in my hand!
0:16:14 > 0:16:19- He'd captured me perfectly. - The Grogg was large.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23- I don't know how he did it - but I was so pleased to have it.
0:16:23 > 0:16:27- You won't believe this - but I don't have it any more.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30- A gust of wind - blew through the house...
0:16:30 > 0:16:34- ..and knocked over the Grogg - causing the head to fall off.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38- While some people - lose their heads...
0:16:38 > 0:16:41- ..some players - have been a headache for Richard.
0:16:41 > 0:16:44- One man in particular...
0:16:44 > 0:16:48- ..who's altered his appearance - numerous times over the years.
0:16:48 > 0:16:54- I think this Grogg was the first one - the Grogg shop made of me.
0:16:54 > 0:16:58- To tell you the truth...
0:16:58 > 0:17:00- ..it looks perfect...
0:17:00 > 0:17:03- ..because I remember my first cap.
0:17:03 > 0:17:06- The jersey was too big.
0:17:06 > 0:17:08- I looked about 11 years old.
0:17:08 > 0:17:14- Graham Henry and Steve Hansen said I - wasn't big enough to play for Wales.
0:17:14 > 0:17:17- So I worked hard...
0:17:17 > 0:17:20- ..and in 2005 I had this hairstyle.
0:17:20 > 0:17:24- More hair, and I looked a bit older.
0:17:24 > 0:17:26- I gained a bit of weight...
0:17:26 > 0:17:30- ..and the jersey's quite tight - on me, so I was happy with this.
0:17:31 > 0:17:33- My boots have been silver...
0:17:33 > 0:17:35- ..gold, yellow...
0:17:35 > 0:17:37- ..pink, green.
0:17:38 > 0:17:39- Afterwards, in 2008...
0:17:40 > 0:17:43- ..that Grogg was made too.
0:17:43 > 0:17:46- I had more muscles and a six-pack.
0:17:46 > 0:17:51- The hairstyle's different. - I've probably lost a bit of hair.
0:17:51 > 0:17:55- I was nervous about the ears - because my ears stick out a bit.
0:17:55 > 0:17:59- But fair play - to Richard and everyone...
0:17:59 > 0:18:01- ..they've got it spot on.
0:18:01 > 0:18:06- With Richard in the process - of making another Grogg of him...
0:18:06 > 0:18:09- ..he hopes the beard doesn't stay.
0:18:09 > 0:18:14- We'd just finished a figure of him - and Shane'd either shave his head...
0:18:15 > 0:18:17- ..or he'd grow a beard.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21- I'd be pulling - what's left of my hair out!
0:18:21 > 0:18:24- Something - I'm looking for all the time...
0:18:24 > 0:18:28- ..is a change - in personality and looks.
0:18:29 > 0:18:31- It keeps me on my toes.
0:18:31 > 0:18:35- Even the props' bellies - are flatter these days.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- Where are the props' bellies hiding?
0:18:41 > 0:18:43- They can't possibly be trai...
0:18:43 > 0:18:46- ..trai... training.
0:18:47 > 0:18:52- Pushover Pugh said he'd seen one - of them coming out of a yoga class.
0:18:53 > 0:18:57- A prop's job - is to throw punches, not train.
0:18:57 > 0:19:02- There's only one sort of six-pack - a prop should be thinking about.
0:19:05 > 0:19:08- Looking ahead to the World Cup...
0:19:08 > 0:19:12- ..Richard will be keeping an eye - on the star players...
0:19:12 > 0:19:14- ..to pick out - the next Grogg among them.
0:19:15 > 0:19:19- Many players - have excelled over the years.
0:19:26 > 0:19:28- Wales' dream begins.
0:19:33 > 0:19:38- It's easy to be confident - about your own team, and I am.
0:19:38 > 0:19:42- I think Wales - has a very strong team.
0:19:42 > 0:19:47- What they've shown in recent years - is that they're difficult to beat.
0:19:47 > 0:19:51- They're a hard team to beat, - so there's no reason why Wales...
0:19:52 > 0:19:54- ..can't go far in the competition.
0:19:54 > 0:19:56- If Wales win their group...
0:19:57 > 0:20:04- ..they have to beat Australia - or England, or both of them...
0:20:04 > 0:20:10- ..we've a good chance - of reaching the final.
0:20:11 > 0:20:16- If Wales play well, they'll go far, - but they have to play well.
0:20:16 > 0:20:19- One of their group - will win the championship.
0:20:20 > 0:20:22- England...
0:20:22 > 0:20:24- ..Australia or Wales.
0:20:25 > 0:20:30- Player to player, they're good - enough to reach the quarter-finals.
0:20:30 > 0:20:35- The hardest game will be - against England at Twickenham...
0:20:35 > 0:20:38- ..but they're good enough - to win that game...
0:20:39 > 0:20:42- ..and I know they're good enough - to beat Australia.
0:20:42 > 0:20:44- After that, who knows?
0:20:47 > 0:20:51- John Hughes has certainly - put Wales and Groggs...
0:20:51 > 0:20:53- ..on the map.
0:20:54 > 0:21:00- Nobody could've predicted the future - for this small shop in Pontypridd.
0:21:01 > 0:21:04- But Groggs are known - throughout the world.
0:21:05 > 0:21:09- There are people around the world - who are Grogg collectors.
0:21:09 > 0:21:14- It surprises me - when I travel around the world...
0:21:14 > 0:21:19- ..and around the country, people - come out of every nook and cranny...
0:21:19 > 0:21:22- ..and ask me to sign their Grogg.
0:21:22 > 0:21:25- It's 50 years old.
0:21:26 > 0:21:28- You might think - it was older than that...
0:21:29 > 0:21:34- ..because it was very, very - important for Welsh people...
0:21:34 > 0:21:36- ..to have a Grogg.
0:21:37 > 0:21:42- The concept is clever, in itself.
0:21:42 > 0:21:47- To turn out - to be something famous...
0:21:47 > 0:21:50- ..all over the world.
0:21:50 > 0:21:54- World-famous people - have had Groggs made of themselves.
0:21:54 > 0:21:56- That's very special.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03- I wonder if there's a way back to - the World of Groggs for the Uglies?
0:22:06 > 0:22:09- They are the original Groggs, - so they're always in our heart.
0:22:10 > 0:22:13- Who knows, - one day they'll make a comeback.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16- I'd like to make some, - just thinking about them now.
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- I'm sorry you didn't get - the attention you deserved.
0:22:20 > 0:22:22- I, myself, along with JPR...
0:22:23 > 0:22:26- ..JJ and Gerald, - we all said at the time...
0:22:26 > 0:22:30- ..that we're so pleased - that John created Groggs of us...
0:22:30 > 0:22:34- ..because you were - the real stars of that era.
0:22:35 > 0:22:37- HE SOBS
0:22:41 > 0:22:43- Are you crying?
0:22:43 > 0:22:47- Don't be silly, - something's stuck in my throat.
0:22:47 > 0:22:50- Boys, we're on the comeback trail!
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