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0:00:00 > 0:00:04- Something remarkable is to happen - in an old people's day centre.
0:00:05 > 0:00:07- In a unique experiment...
0:00:07 > 0:00:11- ..pensioners will share day care - with six young children.
0:00:12 > 0:00:13- We have some company.
0:00:13 > 0:00:16- We have some company.- - You're one in a million.
0:00:16 > 0:00:20- Over three days, psychologists - from Bangor University...
0:00:20 > 0:00:25- ..aim to prove that a new form - of care can benefit young and old.
0:00:25 > 0:00:30- With cameras across the day centre, - a series of activities are planned.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36- They've all been carefully planned.
0:00:41 > 0:00:46- The aim is to show the pensioners - that they have something to offer...
0:00:46 > 0:00:49- ..and that the children - can benefit from their company.
0:00:51 > 0:00:52- Well done, boy.
0:00:53 > 0:00:57- Three days. - Two generations. One experience.
0:00:58 > 0:01:01- Will sharing day-care - be as easy as 1, 2, 3?
0:01:04 > 0:01:06- Twice a child.
0:01:07 > 0:01:10- This is the Hen Blant Bach - experiment.
0:01:19 > 0:01:23- Every week, at the Maesincla - Day Centre in Caernarfon...
0:01:23 > 0:01:27- ..19 pensioners meet - to use the care facilities.
0:01:27 > 0:01:30- They come because they're lonely.
0:01:30 > 0:01:34- Often, they go home on Friday - and don't see anyone until Monday.
0:01:35 > 0:01:39- This helps them remain - in their homes for longer.
0:01:39 > 0:01:43- There's no need for them - to move into a nursing home.
0:01:43 > 0:01:44- Gladys wants to do her hair.
0:01:44 > 0:01:47- Gladys wants to do her hair.- - Tell her that Dot says hello.
0:01:47 > 0:01:50- Dot says hello to you.
0:01:50 > 0:01:51- Hello!
0:01:51 > 0:01:53- Hello!- - Hiya, Gladys.
0:01:53 > 0:01:59- Everyone here attends the day centre - because they still live at home.
0:01:59 > 0:02:03- When that becomes difficult, - they move to a nursing home.
0:02:03 > 0:02:05- Today, it's Ken's turn.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09- Glyn, it's his last day.
0:02:10 > 0:02:13- It's his last day. He's off.
0:02:14 > 0:02:17- I was just telling him - that you're leaving us today.
0:02:17 > 0:02:20- Did you sign Ken's card?
0:02:20 > 0:02:22- No.
0:02:22 > 0:02:23- I'll find it.
0:02:27 > 0:02:31- They tend to sit - in the same seat every time.
0:02:31 > 0:02:37- In the middle, watching events, - are best friends, Morfudd and Vera.
0:02:37 > 0:02:40- I lost 3lbs again last week.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- I lost 3lbs again last week.- - That's good.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44- No, I'm not dieting.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47- My watch is loose around my wrist.
0:02:49 > 0:02:52- The worst thing about getting old...
0:02:53 > 0:02:57- ..everyone around you thinks - they have to keep an eye on you...
0:02:57 > 0:02:58- ..because you're old.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02- But my mind is OK.
0:03:02 > 0:03:05- I can still think for myself.
0:03:06 > 0:03:09- Catrin Hedd Jones is a psychologist - from Bangor University.
0:03:10 > 0:03:11- She works with the elderly.
0:03:12 > 0:03:15- She chooses who will benefit - the most.
0:03:17 > 0:03:20- Looking at the individuals - at the centre...
0:03:20 > 0:03:24- ..they almost seem to be sitting - waiting for something.
0:03:24 > 0:03:26- Nothing ever comes.
0:03:26 > 0:03:30- We hope the relationship - they build with the children...
0:03:30 > 0:03:32- ..will enrich their lives.
0:03:32 > 0:03:36- Some are used to looking - after children.
0:03:36 > 0:03:38- Some aren't.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41- Staff are worried - how children will respond...
0:03:42 > 0:03:44- ..to the elderly - who've had illnesses.
0:03:44 > 0:03:48- 84-year-old Glyn had a stroke - 15 years ago.
0:03:48 > 0:03:51- He struggles to speak - and communicate.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00- Glyn's not an easy individual.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03- As they say, twice a child.
0:04:03 > 0:04:05- It's true.
0:04:05 > 0:04:09- You're dealing with people but with - him, it's like dealing with a child.
0:04:10 > 0:04:13- But with children, you can put them - in the naughty corner or step.
0:04:14 > 0:04:16- You can't do that with adults.
0:04:16 > 0:04:20- The pensioners have finished - their morning cuppa.
0:04:20 > 0:04:24- It's time for Day 1 - of the experiment to begin.
0:04:24 > 0:04:29- Six children from a local nursery - have arrived at the day centre.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31- They're here.
0:04:33 > 0:04:36- This is their first visit.
0:04:36 > 0:04:40- They were carefully selected - by Nia Williams...
0:04:41 > 0:04:43- ..a child psychologist - from Bangor University.
0:04:44 > 0:04:46- We have a mixture of personalities.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50- Some are very confident...
0:04:51 > 0:04:54- ..but others are very shy and quiet.
0:04:56 > 0:04:58- All the children wear a microphone.
0:04:59 > 0:05:01- Cameras film in every corner - of the room.
0:05:02 > 0:05:06- The psychologists - can see and hear everything.
0:05:06 > 0:05:07- Let's send them in.
0:05:08 > 0:05:10- Goodness me.
0:05:10 > 0:05:13- We have company today.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15- They're beautiful.
0:05:15 > 0:05:18- We've brought some children - to see you.
0:05:19 > 0:05:20- Hello!
0:05:23 > 0:05:27- They're wondering - what they're doing here.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32- When the doors opened and they - came in, I was over the moon.
0:05:33 > 0:05:34- I only have one granddaughter.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38- I do like children. - I'd have liked to have more.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41- I enjoy being in their company.
0:05:46 > 0:05:48- Are you tired?
0:05:48 > 0:05:49- What?
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- Come here.
0:05:52 > 0:05:53- No!
0:05:56 > 0:05:58- During the early stages...
0:05:58 > 0:06:02- ..the psychologists look - for the strongest personalities.
0:06:03 > 0:06:05- Can you sing?
0:06:05 > 0:06:07- I can sing.
0:06:07 > 0:06:13- First on her feet is the oldest - child - three-year-old Molly.
0:06:13 > 0:06:17- # Two little dogs go to the woods
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- # A new shoe on each foot
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- # Two little dogs - come home from the woods
0:06:25 > 0:06:30- # Having lost one of their shoes
0:06:30 > 0:06:32- # Two little dogs #
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- Molly's so confident.
0:06:38 > 0:06:40- She is, and brave...
0:06:40 > 0:06:45- ..to sing right away when she - meets them for the first time.
0:06:45 > 0:06:49- Unexpectedly, - Glyn is the next one to interact.
0:06:49 > 0:06:51- Excuse me...
0:06:52 > 0:06:56- ..do any of you speak Welsh...
0:06:56 > 0:06:58- No, English?
0:06:58 > 0:07:01- Yes. Leon does.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10- It's interesting to watch Glyn.
0:07:10 > 0:07:13- Because of the stroke - he had 15 years ago...
0:07:13 > 0:07:15- ..he struggles to speak.
0:07:16 > 0:07:20- He communicates - without using many words.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23- Leon understands - but doesn't speak Welsh.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25- He's happy to join Ken and Glyn.
0:07:26 > 0:07:28- Are you enjoying yourself today?
0:07:28 > 0:07:29- Are you enjoying yourself today?- - Yeah.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32- I didn't expect this this morning.
0:07:33 > 0:07:36- Nice to talk to you this morning.
0:07:37 > 0:07:44- That's so nice. They don't know each - other and they're holding hands.
0:07:44 > 0:07:46- It's lovely to see.
0:07:46 > 0:07:49- It's lovely to see.- - It's nice of you to come and see me.
0:07:49 > 0:07:51- Thank you very much.
0:07:52 > 0:07:54- Yay!
0:07:56 > 0:08:01- Thanks to the children, - Glyn is ready to talk a little more.
0:08:02 > 0:08:04- To help integrate - the rest of the group...
0:08:04 > 0:08:08- ..the psychologists have organised - a series of activities.
0:08:08 > 0:08:13- We begin with an activity that - doesn't rely too much on language.
0:08:14 > 0:08:17- The first activity - is an ice-breaker.
0:08:17 > 0:08:22- We hope to see them start - communicating and interacting.
0:08:23 > 0:08:25- This will be different.
0:08:25 > 0:08:26- This will be different.- - Excitement.
0:08:30 > 0:08:32- I don't know.
0:08:34 > 0:08:35- Goodness me.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38- Vera's understood.
0:08:47 > 0:08:49- They're all going to Glyn.
0:08:49 > 0:08:50- They're all going to Glyn.- - Yes, yes.
0:08:54 > 0:08:58- What makes Glyn stand out - from the children's perspective...
0:08:59 > 0:09:01- ..is his use of facial expressions.
0:09:02 > 0:09:03- He's more playful.
0:09:03 > 0:09:07- He struggles to speak but - the children aren't aware of that.
0:09:08 > 0:09:09- They don't judge that.
0:09:10 > 0:09:10- Ela.
0:09:10 > 0:09:11- Ela.- - Elen?
0:09:12 > 0:09:14- No!
0:09:14 > 0:09:16- Elen?
0:09:16 > 0:09:18- No! Elan.
0:09:18 > 0:09:20- Where are they?
0:09:20 > 0:09:22- Where are they?- - Bring them here to talk to us.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30- Blow at them and they'll come here.
0:09:30 > 0:09:32- They like playing with water.
0:09:33 > 0:09:37- Vera and Morfudd can't wait - to get the children over to them.
0:09:37 > 0:09:39- Look. Do you want me to help you?
0:09:40 > 0:09:42- Do you want me to help you?
0:09:42 > 0:09:43- I want Mam.
0:09:44 > 0:09:50- They're alright, they're well - looked after, but Mam's not here.
0:09:52 > 0:09:53- Catch them.
0:09:53 > 0:09:56- Vera loves children.
0:09:56 > 0:10:00- Seeing Cara asking for her mother - pulls at her heart.
0:10:01 > 0:10:04- We see a change in the generation.
0:10:05 > 0:10:09- It's not an experience - that Vera's seen before.
0:10:09 > 0:10:12- Come here to see the bubbles.
0:10:12 > 0:10:15- Come here, you're one in a million.
0:10:19 > 0:10:21- Blow.
0:10:23 > 0:10:25- You made some bubbles.
0:10:26 > 0:10:27- And again.
0:10:27 > 0:10:31- It's a shame to see women going out - to work and leaving their children.
0:10:32 > 0:10:35- It was nice coming home from school - to Mam.
0:10:43 > 0:10:47- I was born in Bryn Adda - on the Faenol Estate.
0:10:47 > 0:10:51- A lot of children from the village - would come and visit us.
0:10:52 > 0:10:57- Mam would cook a dish full of chips - for us and we'd eat them happily.
0:10:58 > 0:11:02- We'd tried for children - for four years without any luck.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06- I decided to go and speak - to the doctor one day.
0:11:07 > 0:11:11- I told him, "If I knew - I couldn't have children...
0:11:12 > 0:11:16- "..I would never have got married."
0:11:16 > 0:11:19- Within a year, Eirian was born.
0:11:19 > 0:11:21- I was over the moon.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26- I really was.
0:11:28 > 0:11:30- Stay there.
0:11:30 > 0:11:33- As we get older and do less...
0:11:33 > 0:11:36- ..after being used - to doing everything in our lives...
0:11:37 > 0:11:40- ..we feel like we're - a blinkin' nuisance.
0:11:40 > 0:11:42- That's how we feel.
0:11:43 > 0:11:47- You don't want to be a burden - on your children, you really don't.
0:11:47 > 0:11:49- Are you ready?
0:11:49 > 0:11:50- Are you ready?- - You're OK there.
0:11:54 > 0:11:56- That was good.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07- Again, again.
0:12:08 > 0:12:09- It's lunchtime.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12- Three-year-old Elan sits with Vera.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- Leon eats with Morfudd.
0:12:19 > 0:12:22- A little girl sat with me for lunch.
0:12:22 > 0:12:24- We became good friends.
0:12:24 > 0:12:26- She was a good girl.
0:12:26 > 0:12:29- It was great to see her - eating so well.
0:12:29 > 0:12:32- It took me back.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35- I wish she lived next-door to me.
0:12:46 > 0:12:50- I'm looking forward - to seeing the big boy eating now.
0:12:52 > 0:12:53- This is so special.
0:12:53 > 0:12:57- Morfudd and Vera having the - opportunity to feed the children.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01- It's natural - - it's a mother's instinct.
0:13:01 > 0:13:04- They haven't had the chance - for years.
0:13:07 > 0:13:11- The experience I had - at lunchtime today...
0:13:11 > 0:13:16- ..took me back to a time - when my children were little.
0:13:16 > 0:13:19- My eldest is 68.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23- You can work out - how many years it's been.
0:13:24 > 0:13:26- He must come from a very good home.
0:13:27 > 0:13:29- "Thank you very much," he said.
0:13:30 > 0:13:33- "Have you had enough now?" - I asked him.
0:13:33 > 0:13:35- "Not yet," he said.
0:13:36 > 0:13:39- He's better than me, - he's cleared his plate.
0:13:40 > 0:13:43- After lunch, time to relax and play.
0:13:43 > 0:13:48- The ladies love Cai - who enjoys dressing up as a farmer.
0:13:48 > 0:13:52- Look at him in his boiler suit. - Lovely, lovely.
0:13:54 > 0:13:56- Come here. Let's see you.
0:13:59 > 0:14:01- That's a fish.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03- That's a fish.- - No, a cat.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06- No, a fish.
0:14:08 > 0:14:10- Let's try again.
0:14:10 > 0:14:15- # Two little dogs go to the woods
0:14:16 > 0:14:20- Three-year-old Leon practises - his Welsh on Morfudd's lap.
0:14:21 > 0:14:24- # Two little dogs #
0:14:24 > 0:14:26- Well done, boy.
0:14:27 > 0:14:31- That's interesting - because Leon can't speak Welsh yet.
0:14:31 > 0:14:35- This is the first time - I've heard him speak Welsh...
0:14:35 > 0:14:37- ..by singing with Morfudd.
0:14:41 > 0:14:43- Thank you.
0:14:43 > 0:14:46- They've given Mair a little cup.
0:14:46 > 0:14:51- Some, like Mair, aren't as - comfortable with the children.
0:14:51 > 0:14:56- The psychologists aim to change that - on the children's second visit...
0:14:56 > 0:14:59- ..for the Hen Blant Bach experiment.
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0:15:14 > 0:15:15- Day 2.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18- They've asked - what we're up to today.
0:15:19 > 0:15:23- They can't wait to see the children - but don't know what will happen.
0:15:24 > 0:15:25- It's exciting.
0:15:25 > 0:15:30- You're the same, - looking for the obituaries.
0:15:32 > 0:15:37- For three days, these pensioners - at the Maesincla day centre...
0:15:37 > 0:15:42- ..share their day care with - youngsters from a local nursery.
0:15:42 > 0:15:46- Watching and listening - to this unique experiment...
0:15:46 > 0:15:50- ..are psychologists - from Bangor University.
0:15:50 > 0:15:52- They believe both groups - can benefit.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00- Before the children arrive, - the pensioners read their papers.
0:16:01 > 0:16:03- Wil is 84 years old.
0:16:04 > 0:16:09- I'd rather read stories like this. - This one was killed, yeah?
0:16:09 > 0:16:12- It says transgender - what's that?
0:16:13 > 0:16:15- Transgender - she used to be a man.
0:16:15 > 0:16:16- Transgender - she used to be a man.- - Really?
0:16:23 > 0:16:25- You're wearing a skirt today.
0:16:25 > 0:16:27- Yes, it's a change.
0:16:28 > 0:16:34- On the second day, the pensioners - will work closely with the children.
0:16:34 > 0:16:37- The psychologists - have organised a surprise.
0:16:38 > 0:16:43- There are three areas - in the day centre.
0:16:43 > 0:16:47- The canteen, the sitting room - and an activity room.
0:16:48 > 0:16:52- It's been neglected recently.
0:16:52 > 0:16:58- We've transformed the room and now - it's ready for both generations.
0:17:05 > 0:17:06- Look at the dolls.
0:17:07 > 0:17:08- Look!
0:17:11 > 0:17:15- The psychologists - want to pair the individuals...
0:17:15 > 0:17:19- ..to nurture relationships - between the generations.
0:17:20 > 0:17:25- Catrin works with the elderly - while Nia is a child psychologist.
0:17:25 > 0:17:30- For the next activity, - we want the quiet ones to interact.
0:17:30 > 0:17:33- I'd like to give Mair - an opportunity.
0:17:33 > 0:17:36- She's been quite shy so far.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39- She hasn't had a chance - in the sitting room.
0:17:39 > 0:17:43- What if we paired Elan with Mair?
0:17:44 > 0:17:48- Elan's quite confident - but not over-confident.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- That would be interesting to see.
0:17:51 > 0:17:53- Let's pair them up.
0:17:54 > 0:17:58- Elan are Mair are tasked - with decorating a cake.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01- At the other end of the table - are Vera and Cai...
0:18:01 > 0:18:03- ..and Morfudd and Cara.
0:18:04 > 0:18:06- Here's Elan.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08- Elan, yes.
0:18:08 > 0:18:09- Here's Mair.
0:18:09 > 0:18:12- Here's Mair.- - She has lovely hair. She's pretty.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15- Let's turn the tray this way.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18- Morfudd and Vera - are completely relaxed.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- Mair doesn't seem so contented.
0:18:23 > 0:18:25- She's not opening up.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- That's right.
0:18:28 > 0:18:30- What are you doing?
0:18:30 > 0:18:32- A cake.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- Are you going to decorate them - with Smarties?
0:18:36 > 0:18:39- It takes time - to get to know someone like Mair.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43- After a while, - she'll open herself up to you...
0:18:44 > 0:18:46- ..but it takes time with her.
0:18:46 > 0:18:50- Auntie Mair would enjoy - helping you, wouldn't she?
0:18:51 > 0:18:54- She can put one of them on the cake.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- Watching Mair and Elan - wasn't as comfortable.
0:18:59 > 0:19:06- We intentionally paired Mair - to work one-on-one with a child...
0:19:06 > 0:19:09- ..where she didn't compete - for attention.
0:19:09 > 0:19:15- She kept looking at her watch, - her posture was closed.
0:19:16 > 0:19:18- She wasn't very sure what to do.
0:19:19 > 0:19:21- I think Mair needs more support.
0:19:23 > 0:19:27- I don't want another one, thank you. - I'm saving myself for my lunch.
0:19:28 > 0:19:34- Wil hasn't taken part - in the activities so far.
0:19:35 > 0:19:38- The psychologists hope - that Leon can change that.
0:19:40 > 0:19:42- Wil has been quiet so far.
0:19:42 > 0:19:47- We know that both like animals.
0:19:47 > 0:19:52- We've asked them to bring photos - of their favourite animals.
0:19:53 > 0:19:58- We hope this can be a starting point - for their conversation.
0:20:02 > 0:20:04- He just died.
0:20:05 > 0:20:06- He died last week.
0:20:08 > 0:20:10- Your dog has died as well.
0:20:10 > 0:20:14- Your dog has died as well.- - Yes, he went up to the sky.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16- He's gone with the angels.
0:20:17 > 0:20:19- Do you know what his name is? Benji.
0:20:21 > 0:20:22- Benji his name was.
0:20:23 > 0:20:24- I'd had him for 15 years.
0:20:25 > 0:20:27- They wanted twenty pound for him.
0:20:27 > 0:20:29- In Upper Sgubor Goch, - not lower Sgubor Goch.
0:20:30 > 0:20:33- I woke up one morning - and he would usually run to me.
0:20:34 > 0:20:37- This one morning, - around 7.00am, he didn't.
0:20:37 > 0:20:40- He was lying there, looking at me.
0:20:40 > 0:20:44- The vet said - it would be best to put him down.
0:20:46 > 0:20:49- My daughter bought a headstone from - Inigo Jones with his name on it.
0:20:50 > 0:20:52- I say hello to him every day.
0:20:52 > 0:20:54- Every day.
0:20:56 > 0:20:58- What's that?
0:20:58 > 0:20:59- What's that?- - Cat.
0:20:59 > 0:21:01- And that's a cat.
0:21:03 > 0:21:07- The animal theme - has brought them closer together.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11- Both have lost a dog, - which is so sad...
0:21:11 > 0:21:15- ..they can both empathise - with the experience...
0:21:15 > 0:21:21- ..by just showing a photo - the - photo is a great way to communicate.
0:21:21 > 0:21:24- It's the lads' turn - to decorate cakes.
0:21:24 > 0:21:28- Three-year-old Caleb is one - of the more mischievous children.
0:21:29 > 0:21:35- It's a challenge for Glyn who - struggles to talk after his stroke.
0:21:35 > 0:21:40- How will Glyn lead this task - without strong language skills?
0:21:40 > 0:21:43- How will Caleb respond? - Will he sit still?
0:21:43 > 0:21:46- Will he leave the table - and run around?
0:21:49 > 0:21:51- Hey!
0:21:53 > 0:21:56- Caleb and Glyn - are the mischievous couple.
0:21:56 > 0:22:00- I'm glad they're together - - it was a good decision.
0:22:03 > 0:22:04- Hot.
0:22:04 > 0:22:05- Hot.- - Hot?
0:22:05 > 0:22:08- This has cooked.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12- The bowl is hot?
0:22:13 > 0:22:14- Yes, it's hot.
0:22:16 > 0:22:18- In these bits.
0:22:19 > 0:22:23- I don't think Wil - has ever picked up a wooden spoon.
0:22:24 > 0:22:28- It says a lot - about how men's lives used to be.
0:22:28 > 0:22:31- Women were in the kitchen, not men.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- It's not like that in our house!
0:22:37 > 0:22:39- Hey!
0:22:39 > 0:22:40- Hey!- - OK.
0:22:43 > 0:22:45- Don't tell Mam. Hush!
0:22:52 > 0:22:54- Do you want me to help?
0:22:55 > 0:22:56- No.
0:22:56 > 0:22:57- No? OK.
0:22:58 > 0:22:59- Interesting.
0:22:59 > 0:23:01- They were offered help...
0:23:02 > 0:23:06- ..but Glyn wants this time - for himself and Caleb.
0:23:06 > 0:23:08- He was very resolute.
0:23:08 > 0:23:11- He's evidently enjoying himself.
0:23:11 > 0:23:13- Can you manage?
0:23:13 > 0:23:15- Yes.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18- It's interesting - watching Glyn and Caleb.
0:23:18 > 0:23:23- They're having fun, but when Caleb - takes things too far...
0:23:24 > 0:23:26- ..Glyn shows Caleb - that he's in charge.
0:23:30 > 0:23:33- Don't eat it. In there.
0:23:33 > 0:23:36- Glyn's speaking clearly.
0:23:36 > 0:23:40- I don't think the staff - hear this that often.
0:23:40 > 0:23:43- This could be because Glyn - is relaxed...
0:23:43 > 0:23:47- ..and feels a sense - of responsibility to speak clearly.
0:23:47 > 0:23:49- GLYN SNORES
0:23:49 > 0:23:51- Stop it!
0:23:51 > 0:23:53- He's spoken more...
0:23:53 > 0:23:57- ..not just the words he used before - but new words.
0:23:57 > 0:23:59- Words he didn't use before.
0:23:59 > 0:24:01- Hello, hello.
0:24:02 > 0:24:04- Glyn's spoken to the children...
0:24:04 > 0:24:08- ..and he's speaking - more clearly than he usually does.
0:24:09 > 0:24:11- The difference we've seen in him...
0:24:11 > 0:24:14- ..as staff, - we've enjoyed seeing that change.
0:24:15 > 0:24:16- Do you want a drink?
0:24:16 > 0:24:19- It's improved Glyn's confidence.
0:24:20 > 0:24:22- He needs more experiences like this.
0:24:22 > 0:24:24- Hey, eat it.
0:24:39 > 0:24:40- He's a good boy.
0:24:45 > 0:24:48- The little children are drawing - the best out of the elderly.
0:24:48 > 0:24:51- The elderly are using - their old skills...
0:24:52 > 0:24:54- ..to help care for the youngsters.
0:24:54 > 0:24:58- This afternoon, the psychologists - want to see what happens...
0:24:59 > 0:25:01- ..when a stranger joins them.
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0:25:18 > 0:25:21- The chair went back with me.
0:25:22 > 0:25:26- Did you see that one - winning 10,000 yesterday?
0:25:27 > 0:25:29- On The Chase.
0:25:29 > 0:25:30- On The Chase.- - I don't watch it.
0:25:31 > 0:25:33- Lucky, eh?
0:25:34 > 0:25:37- That doctor on Tipping Point...
0:25:37 > 0:25:39- ..won 4,500.
0:25:39 > 0:25:43- What would I do - if I had that much money?
0:25:43 > 0:25:44- I don't know.
0:25:44 > 0:25:47- What would I do?
0:25:47 > 0:25:53- We're at the halfway point. - So much has changed thus far.
0:25:53 > 0:25:56- Today, we're introducing - a stranger into the situation.
0:25:56 > 0:25:59- How will that affect - the group dynamic?
0:25:59 > 0:26:04- This morning, - we paired the children one-to-one.
0:26:04 > 0:26:07- The next activity - is a music activity.
0:26:07 > 0:26:10- We'll see how they respond to that.
0:26:10 > 0:26:13- # Hello, hello
0:26:14 > 0:26:17- # Hello
0:26:17 > 0:26:20- # To the children #
0:26:21 > 0:26:25- We've invited Manon Llwyd here, - she's a professional musician.
0:26:25 > 0:26:27- We want to see how this works...
0:26:28 > 0:26:31- ..with the children and elderly - in the same room.
0:26:34 > 0:26:36- Let me sing a song.
0:26:36 > 0:26:38- Jac y do!
0:26:38 > 0:26:42- # I saw a jack...
0:26:43 > 0:26:44- # Daw
0:26:46 > 0:26:49- # Sitting on the...
0:26:49 > 0:26:50- # Roof
0:26:51 > 0:26:54- # A white hat on its head
0:26:54 > 0:26:57- # It had two wooden legs
0:26:58 > 0:27:02- # Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho #
0:27:02 > 0:27:05- Does it work - if the children are on the floor?
0:27:05 > 0:27:07- The adults are sitting back.
0:27:08 > 0:27:10- It's like watching a concert.
0:27:11 > 0:27:13- They're not part of it.
0:27:13 > 0:27:17- Not as you'd expected. - I don't know. We'll see how it goes.
0:27:21 > 0:27:25- There's an unexpected twist - as Mair is drawn into the session.
0:27:25 > 0:27:33- # All through the night #
0:27:37 > 0:27:39- Mair doesn't have any children.
0:27:39 > 0:27:43- She hasn't participated fully - in the activities.
0:27:44 > 0:27:46- # All through the night #
0:27:49 > 0:27:51- My name's Mair Wyn Jones.
0:27:52 > 0:27:55- I'm 88.
0:27:55 > 0:27:57- I was born in Penygroes.
0:27:58 > 0:28:04- Unfortunately, my mother died - a fortnight after I was born.
0:28:04 > 0:28:08- I moved to live with the family - in Groeslon.
0:28:10 > 0:28:12- Unfortunately, - we never had children...
0:28:12 > 0:28:15- ..even though Bob and I - were very fond of them.
0:28:16 > 0:28:20- Some people could be very nasty.
0:28:20 > 0:28:23- As if you could help - not having any children.
0:28:25 > 0:28:29- I had problems with my hands - and my arms.
0:28:29 > 0:28:34- I had operations on my arms - in Gobowen.
0:28:36 > 0:28:40- While I was in Gobowen, - Bob died alone in this house.
0:28:41 > 0:28:43- It was a huge shock.
0:28:44 > 0:28:46- I don't remember the funeral.
0:28:46 > 0:28:51- I've lived here on my own - since 1959.
0:28:54 > 0:28:58- It happened so quickly...
0:28:58 > 0:29:00- ..with this depression.
0:29:01 > 0:29:03- I never cry...
0:29:03 > 0:29:07- ..but there are times - when I don't want to do anything.
0:29:08 > 0:29:12- I sit here - and close my eyes all day long.
0:29:14 > 0:29:16- Carers call at the house.
0:29:17 > 0:29:22- That's a help, seeing someone - at some time during the day.
0:29:26 > 0:29:28- # I met a pretty girl
0:29:28 > 0:29:31- # Down by the seaside #
0:29:31 > 0:29:35- Mair is used to people's company...
0:29:35 > 0:29:39- ..and with Manon there as a link - between Mair and the children...
0:29:40 > 0:29:45- ..Mair is enjoying herself and - getting into the spirit of singing.
0:29:47 > 0:29:52- # The girl at the seaside
0:29:55 > 0:29:59- # Oh, I love you
0:29:59 > 0:30:04- # The girl at the seaside
0:30:05 > 0:30:09- # Oh, I love you
0:30:09 > 0:30:12- # Oh, I love you
0:30:12 > 0:30:18- # The girl at the seaside #
0:30:20 > 0:30:22- What a great experience.
0:30:23 > 0:30:27- The end of the second day. - The children head home.
0:30:27 > 0:30:29- After today's experiences...
0:30:30 > 0:30:35- ..the psychologists want to - change things for the final day.
0:30:35 > 0:30:40- It's been very evident over - the past two days we've been here...
0:30:40 > 0:30:43- ..how hard the carers work - for everyone else.
0:30:44 > 0:30:46- We're changing things tomorrow.
0:30:47 > 0:30:50- We want them to step back - and see what happens.
0:31:04 > 0:31:07- Were you busy last night, - doing something?
0:31:07 > 0:31:10- Or like me doing next to nothing?
0:31:12 > 0:31:13- Isn't that right?
0:31:21 > 0:31:24- It'll be strange next week.
0:31:24 > 0:31:26- It'll be quiet here. Yes.
0:31:30 > 0:31:33- What's on the menu? Fish and chips?
0:31:33 > 0:31:34- What's on the menu? Fish and chips?- - Fish and chips and peas.
0:31:35 > 0:31:39- Wil likes to know the lunch menu. - He tells everyone.
0:31:40 > 0:31:45- The psychologists know that the - elderly can cope with the children.
0:31:45 > 0:31:49- Today, with the carers - taking a step back...
0:31:49 > 0:31:54- ..they hope the elderly are - confident to take a leading role.
0:31:54 > 0:31:56- This is the third day.
0:31:57 > 0:32:01- The relationship between the - children and elderly has been great.
0:32:01 > 0:32:07- We've also noticed that you, - as staff, have been great.
0:32:07 > 0:32:10- We want to change things today.
0:32:10 > 0:32:15- We want to see if the adults - can become the children's carers.
0:32:15 > 0:32:21- We want to seat you - in a particular place today.
0:32:22 > 0:32:25- Naturally, if you're needed, - you can step in...
0:32:25 > 0:32:29- ..but we'll see how that changes - the relationship between them.
0:32:30 > 0:32:35- The six children have arrived for - their final day with the elderly.
0:32:36 > 0:32:39- Today's theme is a seaside holiday.
0:32:39 > 0:32:43- The children have brought - their holidays snaps with them.
0:32:44 > 0:32:47- The adults share their photos - with the children.
0:32:48 > 0:32:49- Oh, thank you.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51- Good God.
0:32:52 > 0:32:56- The camera was close to you - when they took that photo.
0:32:56 > 0:32:58- Makes you look fat!
0:33:01 > 0:33:04- Speak as you find.
0:33:15 > 0:33:19- As part of the third day - of celebrating the seaside...
0:33:19 > 0:33:21- ..we have some surprises for them.
0:33:22 > 0:33:24- Come on, come on.
0:33:24 > 0:33:26- Come on, come on.
0:33:26 > 0:33:29- The children are enjoying - the experience.
0:33:29 > 0:33:32- They can't wait to share a surprise.
0:33:32 > 0:33:34- Where are we going?
0:33:37 > 0:33:40- This way? OK.
0:33:40 > 0:33:42- We're going this way?
0:33:43 > 0:33:44- There we go.
0:33:45 > 0:33:48- Goodness me, - what have you been doing?
0:33:52 > 0:33:55- We've already seen - that setting a simple task...
0:33:55 > 0:33:58- ..and letting them work together - works.
0:33:59 > 0:34:05- Today, we've chosen hats. The carers - aren't part of the activity.
0:34:05 > 0:34:08- It's all down - to the children and adults.
0:34:12 > 0:34:15- While Vera and Morfudd make hats...
0:34:16 > 0:34:19- ..Glyn and Wil have joined - Caleb and Cai in the sand.
0:34:20 > 0:34:23- They're having a great time. Me too.
0:34:25 > 0:34:28- Look at this.
0:34:28 > 0:34:33- Two-year-old Cara needs - to be coaxed a little to join in.
0:34:34 > 0:34:36- Cara's still very shy.
0:34:36 > 0:34:38- Yes.
0:34:39 > 0:34:42- I'm not very good - at making these things.
0:34:44 > 0:34:45- There we go.
0:34:46 > 0:34:51- One of the children who's struggled - with the activities is Cara.
0:34:51 > 0:34:56- Today, I've asked the carers - to take a step back...
0:34:57 > 0:35:02- ..to see if Cara settles, - if she comes out of her shell...
0:35:02 > 0:35:05- ..and if she becomes more confident.
0:35:14 > 0:35:18- You need one there.
0:35:18 > 0:35:21- In next to no time, - the plan starts to work.
0:35:21 > 0:35:23- Cara's coping well.
0:35:24 > 0:35:28- It's nice to see Mair - having a reason to talk.
0:35:28 > 0:35:33- They're working together - and that's drawing them together.
0:35:33 > 0:35:35- It's a change from the first day.
0:35:35 > 0:35:37- Well done.
0:35:38 > 0:35:40- It looks lovely now.
0:35:41 > 0:35:43- It's nice to see them enjoying.
0:35:43 > 0:35:46- They've both come out - of their shells.
0:35:46 > 0:35:51- This is covered now. - Should we make another one?
0:35:52 > 0:35:55- We're a grand pair, aren't we?
0:35:56 > 0:35:58- Yes, we are.
0:36:00 > 0:36:02- Thank you very much.
0:36:02 > 0:36:06- Today, everyone has a hat to - celebrate the end of the experiment.
0:36:07 > 0:36:09- Do I look grand? Yes?
0:36:09 > 0:36:11- Where's her hat?
0:36:11 > 0:36:14- First, it's lunchtime.
0:36:15 > 0:36:19- Fish and chips wrapped in paper, - just like the old days.
0:36:26 > 0:36:28- Eat your chips.
0:36:34 > 0:36:37- Children like chips, don't they?
0:36:40 > 0:36:43- It's easy to miss the quiet ones.
0:36:44 > 0:36:49- It's good to see how Mair - has blossomed during this time.
0:36:51 > 0:36:54- Mair wears dark clothes...
0:36:54 > 0:36:58- ..but she's wearing a colourful - skirt today because she's excited.
0:36:59 > 0:37:03- Mair's taken more from this - than the others.
0:37:05 > 0:37:09- Twice a child, that's what they say.
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0:37:21 > 0:37:25- For three days, the Maesincla - day centre has become a nursery...
0:37:25 > 0:37:27- ..for six young children.
0:37:27 > 0:37:29- They hadn't met - before the experiment.
0:37:30 > 0:37:37- By now, a special bond has developed - between the youngsters and elderly.
0:37:38 > 0:37:42- Two Bangor University psychologists - have watched them.
0:37:42 > 0:37:45- They're totally relaxed - in each other's company.
0:37:45 > 0:37:47- Look at the fun they're having.
0:37:47 > 0:37:54- The men are more playful and the - children are interacting with them.
0:37:55 > 0:37:57- A hat for you.
0:37:59 > 0:38:02- Today sees the end - of the experiment.
0:38:02 > 0:38:05- The children and elderly - have been making hats...
0:38:05 > 0:38:08- ..ready for an afternoon of fun.
0:38:18 > 0:38:20- Look at Mair.
0:38:34 > 0:38:37- They're having fun.
0:38:44 > 0:38:46- My sides hurt!
0:38:47 > 0:38:49- Look at Eric.
0:39:01 > 0:39:02- It's a tonic in itself.
0:39:04 > 0:39:07- I haven't laughed so much in ages.
0:39:07 > 0:39:10- These hats are hilarious.
0:39:11 > 0:39:15- Every good party - must have a surprise.
0:39:15 > 0:39:19- To coincide with the seaside theme, - here it is.
0:39:19 > 0:39:22- It will bring a smile - to the faces of young and old.
0:39:23 > 0:39:25- Especially Cai.
0:39:26 > 0:39:27- Hiya!
0:39:30 > 0:39:34- The children will fetch ice cream - for the elderly.
0:39:35 > 0:39:39- Will the children take the - ice cream to the elderly first?
0:39:40 > 0:39:42- It's a big test for them.
0:39:42 > 0:39:46- Fair play, they'd want to eat - the ice cream right away.
0:39:46 > 0:39:50- They've given them hats - but ice cream is different.
0:39:50 > 0:39:54- Give it to Wil. - We'll fetch yours in a minute.
0:39:54 > 0:39:56- The temptation is too much - for Caleb.
0:39:57 > 0:39:58- Nope!
0:40:07 > 0:40:08- Thank you very much.
0:40:08 > 0:40:10- Thank you very much.- - Let's fetch another one.
0:40:17 > 0:40:19- Thank you.
0:40:19 > 0:40:21- That's chocolate. Is it nice?
0:40:22 > 0:40:24- Are you having an ice cream too?
0:40:25 > 0:40:28- Oh, I've had one.
0:40:28 > 0:40:31- To complete the experiment...
0:40:32 > 0:40:35- ..the psychologists - have organised entertainment.
0:40:36 > 0:40:40- It will be an emotional experience, - for one person in particular.
0:40:40 > 0:40:44- Glyn has a great fondness - for brass bands.
0:40:44 > 0:40:48- He was a national winner - in the euphonium competition.
0:40:48 > 0:40:52- This is a surprise for him, and the - rest of the children and elderly.
0:40:52 > 0:40:55- Glyn was a member - of the Llanrug band.
0:40:56 > 0:40:58- The band are coming to play - for Glyn and the group.
0:41:01 > 0:41:03- Goodness me.
0:41:07 > 0:41:09- Llanrug.
0:41:09 > 0:41:10- Do you know them?
0:41:10 > 0:41:11- Do you know them?- - Yes.
0:41:12 > 0:41:14- You can see the pride in his face.
0:41:14 > 0:41:17- He knew right away.
0:41:18 > 0:41:20- Hello!
0:41:25 > 0:41:28- My first memory of Glyn Hughes...
0:41:28 > 0:41:31- ..was when I was eight years old...
0:41:31 > 0:41:34- ..playing cornet - for the Llanrug band.
0:41:34 > 0:41:37- He used to play the euphonium.
0:41:37 > 0:41:41- You'd always listen to him. - He was very talented.
0:41:42 > 0:41:44- It's difficult to see him like this.
0:41:45 > 0:41:47- He was a vibrant man.
0:41:47 > 0:41:50- We'd have a lot of fun. - That spark is still there.
0:41:51 > 0:41:53- It's still there in his eyes.
0:41:53 > 0:41:55- It's very frustrating for him.
0:41:56 > 0:42:00- He can't get his words out - and it's quite upsetting.
0:42:00 > 0:42:04- I'd rather see him like this - than not see him with us anymore.
0:42:05 > 0:42:07- # Ar Hyd y Nos #
0:42:26 > 0:42:28- I like singing.
0:43:04 > 0:43:06- Well done.
0:43:11 > 0:43:13- Excellent.
0:43:13 > 0:43:16- We've come to the end - of our journey.
0:43:16 > 0:43:21- This experiment has shown that - combining both generations works.
0:43:22 > 0:43:25- There are huge advantages - for the children...
0:43:26 > 0:43:29- ..and important benefits - for the elderly.
0:43:29 > 0:43:32- I'm so happy I could cry.
0:43:32 > 0:43:34- Don't cry.
0:43:35 > 0:43:37- Don't cry, Mair, don't cry.
0:43:38 > 0:43:40- I'm so happy.
0:43:40 > 0:43:42- Don't cry.
0:43:42 > 0:43:44- Don't cry.- - I'm so grateful.
0:43:44 > 0:43:46- Nice to see you so happy.
0:43:46 > 0:43:49- It's been emotional.
0:43:50 > 0:43:54- Just seeing their faces, - seeing how much they've gained.
0:43:54 > 0:43:56- It's just fantastic.
0:43:56 > 0:44:01- When I saw Mair crying, and she - was crying because she was happy...
0:44:01 > 0:44:03- ..that started me off.
0:44:05 > 0:44:10- I haven't cried for so long, - not since I've had this depression.
0:44:10 > 0:44:13- You're crying today - because you're happy.
0:44:13 > 0:44:16- Crying because you're happy - is different.
0:44:16 > 0:44:20- It's wonderful. - I can't tell you how happy I am.
0:44:22 > 0:44:26- I enjoyed every day. - The band was the crowning glory.
0:44:27 > 0:44:30- I haven't cried for a long time.
0:44:30 > 0:44:34- It brought a lump to my throat.
0:44:34 > 0:44:35- Do you want a lift up?
0:44:35 > 0:44:37- Do you want a lift up?- - Do you want to sit with me?
0:44:39 > 0:44:42- My little darling.
0:44:44 > 0:44:48- It's been an incredible experience.
0:44:48 > 0:44:51- We don't appreciate the relationship - that happens...
0:44:52 > 0:44:54- ..when we bring - children and the elderly together.
0:44:55 > 0:44:59- Being part of the three days - has been very special.
0:44:59 > 0:45:05- The nursery owner has invited - the elderly to visit the nursery.
0:45:05 > 0:45:09- I think a relationship - founded in a short space of time...
0:45:09 > 0:45:11- ..will blossom and develop.
0:45:16 > 0:45:17- That tickled me!
0:45:17 > 0:45:19- That tickled me!- - It's been fantastic.
0:45:19 > 0:45:22- I don't want it to end. - I want it to continue.
0:45:22 > 0:45:24- They will say the same thing.
0:45:25 > 0:45:27- There you go.
0:45:27 > 0:45:30- I've enjoyed every minute of it.
0:45:30 > 0:45:32- Fantastic.
0:45:35 > 0:45:36- Lovely.
0:45:37 > 0:45:40- I want to cuddle them all.
0:45:40 > 0:45:42- Join us again soon.
0:45:43 > 0:45:47- I enjoyed the week - - it was fantastic.
0:45:47 > 0:45:49- Ta-ta!
0:45:50 > 0:45:51- Ta-ta.
0:45:51 > 0:45:52- Ta-ta.- - Thank you.
0:45:53 > 0:45:56- Lovely. Fantastic. Fantastic.
0:46:00 > 0:46:02- Ta-ta!
0:46:15 > 0:46:17- Three Months Later
0:46:19 > 0:46:21- Let's go in.
0:46:21 > 0:46:25- Who's come back to see us? Come in.
0:46:25 > 0:46:27- They've made Christmas cards.
0:46:30 > 0:46:34- Three months later - and it's Christmas.
0:46:34 > 0:46:36- Old friends are back together.
0:46:41 > 0:46:45- After spending three days together - for the experiment...
0:46:45 > 0:46:48- ..the bond between two generations - is as strong as ever.
0:46:48 > 0:46:51- The relationship is rebuilt - in no time..
0:46:51 > 0:46:56- ..and the elderly help the children - eat their Christmas dinner.
0:47:00 > 0:47:02- And big and big.
0:47:10 > 0:47:14- Christmas isn't Christmas - without a song.
0:47:14 > 0:47:16- # Who's coming over the hill
0:47:16 > 0:47:19- # Very, very quietly?
0:47:19 > 0:47:25- # His beard is long - and his hair is white
0:47:25 > 0:47:28- # He's carrying something - in his sack
0:47:28 > 0:47:33- # Who's sitting on the roof
0:47:34 > 0:47:37- # Near the large chimney?
0:47:38 > 0:47:43- # Sion Corn, Sion Corn
0:47:43 > 0:47:46- # Hello, hello
0:47:46 > 0:47:50- # Come here, come on down #
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