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0:00:26 > 0:00:28- This is Betws Mountain.
0:00:29 > 0:00:31- I used to come here with Dadi.
0:00:32 > 0:00:36- On a clear day, - everything looked golden.
0:00:36 > 0:00:40- It made me feel - as if heaven and earth...
0:00:40 > 0:00:42- ..were as one.
0:00:43 > 0:00:45- I remember Dadi saying...
0:00:45 > 0:00:49- .."God's in his heaven. - All's right with the world."
0:00:49 > 0:00:53- When I was small, - I didn't really understand...
0:00:53 > 0:00:57- ..but now I realize what he meant.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08- My father died three years ago.
0:01:08 > 0:01:12- I've always been one - who wanted answers to questions.
0:01:13 > 0:01:15- After he died...
0:01:15 > 0:01:20- ..one of the most important and most - personal questions came to mind.
0:01:20 > 0:01:24- What happens to a person's spirit - when they die?
0:01:24 > 0:01:29- I'd like to speak to several - people from different religions...
0:01:29 > 0:01:32- ..to discover what they believe...
0:01:32 > 0:01:36- ..so that I can make up my own mind.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53- I have a passion for music, - just like Dad.
0:01:53 > 0:01:56- He was a music promoter...
0:01:57 > 0:02:00- ..and worked - with many well-known artists.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04- He was in the recording studio - with Only Men Aloud the day he died.
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- Now, my brother Finn and I - are in the Only Kids Aloud choir.
0:02:15 > 0:02:19- It was Johnny Cash's book - that started your spiritual journey.
0:02:20 > 0:02:23- He and Dadi were great friends.
0:02:23 > 0:02:26- He wrote a message - on the inside cover.
0:02:27 > 0:02:31- "To Joe, sincerely your friend, - Johnny Cash, 10 October 1996."
0:02:31 > 0:02:34- I remember picking up the book...
0:02:34 > 0:02:36- ..the day after Dadi died.
0:02:39 > 0:02:42- That started the journey for you...
0:02:43 > 0:02:46- ..and sparked your interest...
0:02:46 > 0:02:50- ..in different religions, didn't it?
0:02:50 > 0:02:52- Yes, it did.
0:02:52 > 0:02:54- I'd say I'm someone...
0:02:54 > 0:02:59- ..who's always been interested - in different religions...
0:02:59 > 0:03:04- ..but I hadn't really - given them much thought before.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07- It definitely - stirred something in me.
0:03:07 > 0:03:10- What was Dadi's religion?
0:03:13 > 0:03:17- I don't think - he followed one specific religion.
0:03:17 > 0:03:20- He was interested - in different faiths.
0:03:20 > 0:03:23- Despite his Catholic upbringing...
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- ..he was interested - in several religions.
0:03:26 > 0:03:29- He was into meditation - and Falun Gong.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32- Do you remember him - doing that with you?
0:03:32 > 0:03:37- He believed - there was more to the world...
0:03:38 > 0:03:40- ..than what we see on earth.
0:03:40 > 0:03:42- He believed in God...
0:03:42 > 0:03:48- ..but perhaps not the god - he was brought up to believe in.
0:03:48 > 0:03:54- You know the image - the god with - a long beard, sitting on a cloud.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58- That sounds like a god - in The Simpsons.
0:03:58 > 0:04:02- That wasn't the kind of god - Dadi believed in.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04- I think it's sad...
0:04:04 > 0:04:08- ..he couldn't - draw his own conclusion...
0:04:08 > 0:04:11- ..because he died so young.
0:04:11 > 0:04:15- Perhaps I can continue - Dadi's spiritual journey.
0:04:16 > 0:04:18- That would be lovely, wouldn't it?
0:04:23 > 0:04:25- This is Ebenezer chapel - in Ammanford.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29- I've been coming here all my life.
0:04:29 > 0:04:32- It's a place - with which I'm familiar.
0:04:33 > 0:04:35- I feel it's the ideal location...
0:04:35 > 0:04:37- ..for me to start my journey.
0:04:40 > 0:04:43- We believe - that when a person dies...
0:04:43 > 0:04:46- ..they go immediately - to be with God.
0:04:48 > 0:04:50- This is echoed in Jesus's words...
0:04:51 > 0:04:54- ..to the thief - on the cross beside him.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57- "Today you will be with me - in paradise."
0:04:57 > 0:05:00- Not tomorrow - or the day after but today.
0:05:00 > 0:05:02- When a person dies...
0:05:02 > 0:05:07- ..I believe that person - crosses over immediately...
0:05:07 > 0:05:09- ..to be with Him.
0:05:10 > 0:05:15- I knew that Dadi - had a problem with hell...
0:05:15 > 0:05:19- ..because he didn't believe - that a loving God...
0:05:20 > 0:05:23- ..would allow someone - to suffer once they were dead.
0:05:24 > 0:05:28- He believed that hell was something - that was created on earth.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32- Are there many references to hell - in the Bible?
0:05:32 > 0:05:34- Yes, there are.
0:05:34 > 0:05:36- It's strange but...
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- ..I'm with your father - to some degree.
0:05:39 > 0:05:43- We're given a taste of hell - from what we see on earth.
0:05:43 > 0:05:45- We're given a taste.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48- Yes, there is a heaven and a hell...
0:05:49 > 0:05:51- ..in our faith...
0:05:51 > 0:05:55- ..but it's up to Him - to decide who goes there.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58- I don't know - if that helps you in any way.
0:06:01 > 0:06:07- There are some things - you have to allow God to decide.
0:06:08 > 0:06:11- Don't be fooled by Martha.
0:06:13 > 0:06:16- There is depth to her understanding.
0:06:16 > 0:06:19- She's a deep thinker.
0:06:21 > 0:06:23- This is a subject...
0:06:23 > 0:06:26- ..that has been - weighing heavily on her mind...
0:06:27 > 0:06:31- ..over the past three years - which have been hell for the family.
0:06:34 > 0:06:36- Martha knows her own mind.
0:06:36 > 0:06:39- She understands - where she wants to go.
0:06:39 > 0:06:42- I want to wish her well...
0:06:42 > 0:06:45- ..because - she'll come out the other end...
0:06:45 > 0:06:49- ..feeling far more fulfilled.
0:06:49 > 0:06:53- I once read that Hindus - believe life is a train journey.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- It's as if Mami, Finn and I - are still on that journey...
0:06:58 > 0:07:01- ..while it was Dadi's time - to leave the train.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04- Our journey continues. - But where is Dad?
0:07:04 > 0:07:07- On a different train - or still at the station?
0:07:08 > 0:07:12- I've come to Radha Krishna temple - in Swansea to discover more.
0:07:12 > 0:07:17- It says in the Bhagavad Gita...
0:07:17 > 0:07:22- .."As the embodied soul - passes in this life...
0:07:22 > 0:07:25- "..from youth - to boyhood to old age...
0:07:25 > 0:07:30- "..similarly, the soul - passes onto another body at death."
0:07:30 > 0:07:34- That means at the time - of your father's death...
0:07:34 > 0:07:39- ..he went somewhere else, - into a new body.
0:07:39 > 0:07:43- # Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna
0:07:43 > 0:07:45- # Krishna, Krishna
0:07:45 > 0:07:47- # Hare, Hare #
0:07:48 > 0:07:50- If you're born into a family...
0:07:51 > 0:07:54- ..that is religious...
0:07:54 > 0:07:56- ..from birth...
0:07:56 > 0:08:01- ..you are surrounded - by people talking about God.
0:08:03 > 0:08:06- It means - that in a previous life...
0:08:06 > 0:08:10- ..your consciousness - was at that level.
0:08:10 > 0:08:13- So a person carries on, does he? - Oh, OK.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18- I know you come from Ammanford...
0:08:18 > 0:08:21- ..where there are lots of chapels...
0:08:21 > 0:08:24- ..so what attracted you to Hinduism?
0:08:24 > 0:08:27- There are many similarities...
0:08:27 > 0:08:30- ..between your journey and mine.
0:08:31 > 0:08:34- My father died when I was 13.
0:08:34 > 0:08:37- I don't know - if you saw your father's body...
0:08:37 > 0:08:40- ..but I saw my father's body...
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- ..and I remember - there was nothing there.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48- Wow, - that's exactly what I felt too. Yes.
0:08:48 > 0:08:50- He was cold.
0:08:51 > 0:08:52- Where's Dad?
0:08:52 > 0:08:55- Where's Dad?- - Wow, that's exactly how I felt.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59- During my late teens, - early twenties...
0:08:59 > 0:09:01- ..I went off the rails...
0:09:02 > 0:09:05- ..because I hadn't been given - the right answers.
0:09:05 > 0:09:09- Where does the soul go? - We know nothing about the soul.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13- No-one I asked knew anything - about the soul either.
0:09:14 > 0:09:19- That's what attracted me - to Hinduism.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22- Many of my old friends say...
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- .."What's got into him? - He's wearing a dress."
0:09:26 > 0:09:29- I used to play rugby - and I was one of the boys.
0:09:31 > 0:09:33- Here in the West...
0:09:33 > 0:09:38- ..we know very little - about the soul and spirituality.
0:09:42 > 0:09:46- My father's body is dead - but his spirit or soul lives on.
0:09:46 > 0:09:49- He continues on his journey...
0:09:49 > 0:09:51- ..and I'm carrying on with mine.
0:09:52 > 0:09:53- Like Dadi and me.
0:09:53 > 0:09:54- Like Dadi and me.- - Yes.
0:09:54 > 0:09:56- Thank you.
0:09:56 > 0:09:58- Thank you.- - You're welcome. Hare Krishna.
0:10:00 > 0:10:03- Meeting Steve today - has lifted my spirits.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09- It was as if - it was meant to happen.
0:10:10 > 0:10:12- The similarities...
0:10:12 > 0:10:14- ..between Steve and me...
0:10:15 > 0:10:18- ..and the fact that his father died - when he was young too...
0:10:18 > 0:10:22- ..had really touched me.
0:10:22 > 0:10:24- What he told me made sense.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28- I liked the fact - that life doesn't just stop...
0:10:28 > 0:10:31- ..or that someone goes - either to heaven or hell.
0:10:31 > 0:10:37- They have a chance to live - a different life once they're dead.
0:10:37 > 0:10:42- I think Dadi's karma - was a good karma.
0:10:42 > 0:10:45- After hearing - what Steve had to say...
0:10:46 > 0:10:49- ..I feel that wherever he is now...
0:10:49 > 0:10:51- ..he's in a good place.
0:10:52 > 0:10:54- It's very reassuring.
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0:11:05 > 0:11:07- My father - died suddenly three years ago.
0:11:08 > 0:11:10- Since then - I've longed to find out...
0:11:10 > 0:11:14- ..where he is now - and whether or not he's alright.
0:11:14 > 0:11:17- I'm meeting people - from different faiths...
0:11:17 > 0:11:20- ..to find out what they believe - happens when we die.
0:11:21 > 0:11:24- I've come to a multi-faith cemetery - in Cardiff.
0:11:24 > 0:11:29- I'm meeting Nadia and Sara Yassine - to learn more about Islamic faith.
0:11:29 > 0:11:34- We believe that when a person dies, - the soul leaves the body...
0:11:35 > 0:11:38- ..and the angel of death - takes the soul.
0:11:38 > 0:11:42- When the person is buried, - the soul returns to the body.
0:11:42 > 0:11:45- Two other angels descend - and ask questions.
0:11:46 > 0:11:49- The first question they ask is, - "Who is your god?"
0:11:49 > 0:11:52- The second question is, - "Who is your prophet?"
0:11:52 > 0:11:56- And the third is, - "Which religion do you follow?"
0:11:56 > 0:11:59- If you're a Muslim - you should know the answers.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02- My father was a very friendly man.
0:12:02 > 0:12:04- He was happy and lovely.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07- Where is he now?
0:12:07 > 0:12:12- If a Muslim is evil - or does bad things in their life...
0:12:12 > 0:12:15- ..they'll be punished - and put in hell.
0:12:15 > 0:12:19- But they will end up in heaven.
0:12:19 > 0:12:22- They will be put in heaven - eventually...
0:12:22 > 0:12:24- ..once they've been punished.
0:12:25 > 0:12:28- A person who is not a Muslim...
0:12:28 > 0:12:33- ..according to what we believe, - stays in hell for a very long time.
0:12:33 > 0:12:38- It's a sort of punishment - for not being a Muslim.
0:12:40 > 0:12:42- God already knows...
0:12:43 > 0:12:45- ..whether or not a person is going - to heaven or hell.
0:12:46 > 0:12:49- It has already written.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52- However, though people - do bad things in their life...
0:12:53 > 0:12:55- ..and it has already been written...
0:12:56 > 0:12:59- ..people still pray - to try and avoid their fate...
0:12:59 > 0:13:03- ..and to prevent themselves - from doing evil in their lives.
0:13:09 > 0:13:11- After speaking to the girls...
0:13:12 > 0:13:16- ..I've realized that Christianity - and Islam are quite similar.
0:13:16 > 0:13:21- They both believe - in heaven and hell...
0:13:21 > 0:13:26- There's also the fact that God has - already determined people's destiny.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29- There is very little - anyone can do to change that.
0:13:30 > 0:13:32- Personally...
0:13:32 > 0:13:37- ..I don't think it's an idea - I can accept at the moment.
0:13:37 > 0:13:40- But I'm keeping an open mind.
0:13:40 > 0:13:42- We'll see.
0:14:01 > 0:14:07- Try and focus - on the way we're feeling right now.
0:14:07 > 0:14:11- Dadi was interested - in several spiritual beliefs...
0:14:11 > 0:14:13- ..and practised meditation.
0:14:14 > 0:14:16- What happens when a Buddhist dies?
0:14:17 > 0:14:20- One important point - the Buddhist faith teaches...
0:14:21 > 0:14:26- ..is to become accustomed to death.
0:14:26 > 0:14:28- Buddhists accept that death...
0:14:28 > 0:14:30- ..is an intense...
0:14:30 > 0:14:33- ..and complete experience.
0:14:34 > 0:14:38- In Buddhism, it's important - that you don't shy away from it.
0:14:38 > 0:14:42- You can learn a great deal - from fully accepting it.
0:14:42 > 0:14:45- The grieving process - is also part of it.
0:14:46 > 0:14:50- The Buddha - always explains the beliefs...
0:14:51 > 0:14:54- ..with stories.
0:14:54 > 0:14:56- He used images.
0:14:56 > 0:14:58- One image he often used...
0:14:58 > 0:15:02- ..was a flame.
0:15:02 > 0:15:06- A flame was passed - from an old candle...
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- ..to a new candle.
0:15:09 > 0:15:13- When people - asked about reincarnation...
0:15:13 > 0:15:18- ..he would always refer - to that particular image.
0:15:18 > 0:15:21- He would explain - by asking questions.
0:15:21 > 0:15:26- Is it the same flame which passes - from the old candle to the new one?
0:15:26 > 0:15:31- Can you tell exactly what passes - from the old candle to the new?
0:15:31 > 0:15:35- When you ask yourself - those questions, what comes to mind?
0:15:36 > 0:15:38- Is it the same flame?
0:15:39 > 0:15:41- Or is it an energy force...
0:15:41 > 0:15:44- ..which passes - from one thing to the other?
0:15:44 > 0:15:47- He tried to explain reincarnation - in those terms.
0:15:48 > 0:15:50- Where do you believe - my father is now?
0:15:52 > 0:15:54- The most truthful answer...
0:15:54 > 0:15:56- ..is that I don't know.
0:15:56 > 0:16:01- If I pretended to know, - that wouldn't be a plausible answer.
0:16:01 > 0:16:04- There is no pretence - when it comes to Buddhism.
0:16:04 > 0:16:07- There is no acting involved.
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- It's all to do - with personal experience...
0:16:10 > 0:16:14- ..and where you perceive yourself - to be in the world.
0:16:15 > 0:16:20- Perhaps he has become - part of another person.
0:16:20 > 0:16:22- That's a possibility.
0:16:23 > 0:16:27- His energy might have been - passed on to a different generation.
0:16:34 > 0:16:38- I felt at peace.
0:16:39 > 0:16:42- I felt that all stress...
0:16:43 > 0:16:47- ..or any pressure - that I was under...
0:16:48 > 0:16:50- ..had left my body.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53- Thinking about Dadi...
0:16:55 > 0:16:58- ..made me feel close to him.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02- I think Dadi...
0:17:02 > 0:17:05- ..would have liked what I just did.
0:17:08 > 0:17:11- It's something - I'm interested in doing again.
0:17:13 > 0:17:15- It's been quite surreal.
0:17:15 > 0:17:19- But that's - what I liked so much about it.
0:17:21 > 0:17:25- When Dadi was young, - he went to a Spiritualist centre...
0:17:25 > 0:17:30- ..where he was told - he had a powerful spirit guide.
0:17:30 > 0:17:36- When coincidences or good things - happen, I always think it's Dadi.
0:17:36 > 0:17:40- Is this true? - Is Dadi still looking after me?
0:17:42 > 0:17:45- After a person dies...
0:17:45 > 0:17:48- ..the spirit leaves the body.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- They spirits enter...
0:17:51 > 0:17:55- ..what we call the spirit world.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58- From there...
0:17:58 > 0:18:02- ..they can communicate - with some people on earth...
0:18:02 > 0:18:07- ..people who have learnt - how to communicate.
0:18:08 > 0:18:11- Those people are called mediums.
0:18:11 > 0:18:15- He's talking about the person - with a heart attack.
0:18:15 > 0:18:18- They come back...
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- ..to give loved ones support.
0:18:22 > 0:18:25- They no longer have a body...
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- ..in the spirit world...
0:18:27 > 0:18:31- ..and they know - we are still on earth...
0:18:31 > 0:18:34- ..perhaps worrying about them.
0:18:34 > 0:18:38- Often they want to come back to let - people know that they are well...
0:18:39 > 0:18:43- ..but they can see - what we are going through.
0:18:43 > 0:18:46- Just because - you can't see something...
0:18:47 > 0:18:49- ..doesn't mean it isn't there.
0:18:50 > 0:18:53- Like love, you can't see it...
0:18:54 > 0:18:56- ..but you can feel it.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- I can still feel Dadi's presence.
0:18:59 > 0:19:02- Is that what you mean?
0:19:02 > 0:19:04- Yes.
0:19:04 > 0:19:08- He's still watching over you - as his daughter...
0:19:08 > 0:19:11- ..and he still loves you.
0:19:11 > 0:19:16- It's reasonable then to assume...
0:19:16 > 0:19:18- ..that he is around you.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23- I know he's going to miss out - on a lot of my life...
0:19:24 > 0:19:26- ..but...
0:19:27 > 0:19:31- ..thinking about the other life - I'll have after death...
0:19:32 > 0:19:36- ..the life - I'll be able to live with him...
0:19:38 > 0:19:40- ..is lovely.
0:19:40 > 0:19:42- I know I'm crying.
0:19:42 > 0:19:48- However, - I'm crying tears of joy because...
0:19:56 > 0:19:58- ..because...
0:19:59 > 0:20:02- ..I know it was something - Dadi was interested in.
0:20:04 > 0:20:06- So tonight...
0:20:06 > 0:20:11- ..I feel even more aware - of his presence than usual.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16- And that's lovely.
0:20:26 > 0:20:28- On the day Dadi died, - he was working...
0:20:29 > 0:20:32- ..with Only Men Aloud - and they were with him to the end.
0:20:33 > 0:20:37- It's only right - that I speak to Tim Rhys Evans too.
0:20:37 > 0:20:43- I feel that somehow my life - has come full circle.
0:20:43 > 0:20:48- I know that Dadi's journey - ended with Only Men Aloud...
0:20:48 > 0:20:54- ..because you were with him - during Dadi's final moments.
0:20:56 > 0:20:59- Now Finn and I - are in Only Kids Aloud...
0:21:00 > 0:21:05- ..so it feels - as if it connects in some way.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08- Is it a coincidence - or has Dadi played a part in that?
0:21:09 > 0:21:13- Oh, I'm sure your father...
0:21:13 > 0:21:19- ..has played a substantial part - in your spiritual journey.
0:21:19 > 0:21:25- Sometimes I feel - your father's influence...
0:21:25 > 0:21:27- ..on my life nowadays.
0:21:28 > 0:21:33- I was only a friend - of your father's...
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- ..and one of his clients.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38- But the support he gave me...
0:21:39 > 0:21:43- ..the support - Joe gave me personally...
0:21:44 > 0:21:47- ..and with Only Men Aloud - was tremendous.
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- It's so sad...
0:21:49 > 0:21:54- ..that he never lived - to enjoy the success.
0:21:54 > 0:21:58- But when you came to the audition - for Only Kids Aloud...
0:21:58 > 0:22:01- ..I was delighted.
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- I thought, Joe is still here...
0:22:05 > 0:22:07- ..with you both.
0:22:07 > 0:22:11- Joe, thank you for everything.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14- Oh, thank you, Tim.
0:22:23 > 0:22:27- I've been able to get accustomed - with the situation...
0:22:27 > 0:22:32- ..by taking elements - from each religion I've explored.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38- They all...
0:22:38 > 0:22:40- ..follow some sort of pattern.
0:22:40 > 0:22:43- Life doesn't just stop.
0:22:44 > 0:22:48- There is some sort of life - after death too.
0:22:53 > 0:22:56- I've embraced aspects of each one...
0:22:56 > 0:22:58- ..and come up with my own belief.
0:22:59 > 0:23:02- Do I think I'll see Dadi again?
0:23:02 > 0:23:04- Yes, I do.
0:23:04 > 0:23:08- Do I want to see Dadi again? Yes.
0:23:08 > 0:23:10- Will that take a long time?
0:23:10 > 0:23:14- Yes, most probably, but - I'm willing to wait an eternity...
0:23:15 > 0:23:18- ..because...
0:23:18 > 0:23:20- ..because he's my father...
0:23:20 > 0:23:23- ..and I know now - that wherever he is...
0:23:24 > 0:23:26- ..he's still watching over us...
0:23:27 > 0:23:29- ..and I'm going to see him again.
0:23:57 > 0:23:59- S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
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