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0:00:20 > 0:00:23- Welcome to a new series - called Cadw Cwmni.
0:00:23 > 0:00:25- Over the next eight weeks...
0:00:25 > 0:00:29- ..we'll hear a varied - collection of experiences...
0:00:29 > 0:00:32- ..from different people - from across Wales.
0:00:32 > 0:00:35- Some stories will amaze us, - some may shock us.
0:00:35 > 0:00:39- Others will be personal experiences - of historical events.
0:00:40 > 0:00:43- Tonight, we visit Derry, - Northern Ireland...
0:00:43 > 0:00:48- ..to meet the man who led the - public inquiry into Bloody Sunday.
0:00:48 > 0:00:50- First, the Tryweryn campaign...
0:00:50 > 0:00:54- ..and one man's attempt to stop Cwm - Celyn disappearing under the water.
0:00:55 > 0:01:01- Initially, Liverpool had looked - at the valley around Dolanog...
0:01:01 > 0:01:04- ..near the home of Ann Griffiths.
0:01:04 > 0:01:08- Towards the end of 1955, they - turned their attention to Tryweryn.
0:01:09 > 0:01:12- The first time - local people heard about it...
0:01:12 > 0:01:17- ..was a report in their local paper - about flooding the valley.
0:01:17 > 0:01:22- The first campaigns organized - by the defence committee...
0:01:23 > 0:01:28- ..included sending letters - to different part of the country...
0:01:28 > 0:01:30- ..to try and gather support.
0:01:30 > 0:01:34- Plaid Cymru and Gwynfor Evans - became involved.
0:01:34 > 0:01:39- They tried to gather more support - by sending letters to Liverpool...
0:01:39 > 0:01:44- ..and participated - on radio and TV programmes.
0:01:44 > 0:01:52- Later, a younger, more radical group - within Plaid Cymru became involved.
0:01:52 > 0:01:56- They realised that - the constitutional methods...
0:01:56 > 0:01:59- ..reflected in Plaid Cymru's - leadership weren't going to work.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02- The younger generation said...
0:02:02 > 0:02:06- .."You've protested, - you've marched through Liverpool...
0:02:07 > 0:02:09- .."but Liverpool - will still flood the valley."
0:02:10 > 0:02:14- The tensions become more apparent - in the early 1960s...
0:02:14 > 0:02:18- ..and the radical group decided...
0:02:18 > 0:02:22- ..on direct action - within the valley.
0:02:25 > 0:02:28- On February 10, 1963...
0:02:28 > 0:02:32- ..a bomb exploded on the site - of the reservoir in Tryweryn.
0:02:33 > 0:02:36- One man was arrested, - but there were three involved.
0:02:36 > 0:02:39- One of the three, Owain Williams, - joins me tonight.
0:02:40 > 0:02:44- When did you first become aware - of Tryweryn?
0:02:45 > 0:02:50- I'd moved from Wales - to live in Canada.
0:02:50 > 0:02:55- My mother would send me letters, - and newspapers such as Y Cymro.
0:02:56 > 0:03:00- That's when I first read - about this little village.
0:03:00 > 0:03:03- I didn't intend to stay in Canada - forever.
0:03:03 > 0:03:10- My intention was just to move away - and forget about Wales for a while.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13- We eventually moved back.
0:03:15 > 0:03:20- When we arrived back, - it was a contentious situation.
0:03:20 > 0:03:24- There was a lot of talking - but very little action.
0:03:24 > 0:03:28- You decided to act, with - Emyr Llewelyn and John Albert Jones.
0:03:29 > 0:03:31- When did the three of you meet...
0:03:32 > 0:03:35- ..and decide you were going - to detonate a bomb?
0:03:36 > 0:03:41- I'd known John Albert Jones - long before I knew Emyr Llewelyn.
0:03:42 > 0:03:46- By then, I was running a coffee bar, - a small restaurant, in Pwllheli.
0:03:47 > 0:03:49- John was one of my customers.
0:03:51 > 0:03:55- A lot of students - frequented the cafe.
0:03:55 > 0:04:01- I asked some of the students if they - knew someone who'd be ready to act.
0:04:01 > 0:04:05- I didn't tell them precisely - what I had in mind.
0:04:05 > 0:04:07- Emyr Llew's name cropped up.
0:04:07 > 0:04:11- We got in touch with him, - he came to the cafe...
0:04:11 > 0:04:16- ..stayed with us for a few days - and we discussed what we would do.
0:04:16 > 0:04:19- We decided to blow up - a transformer...
0:04:19 > 0:04:21- ..cutting the site's - electricity supply.
0:04:22 > 0:04:27- That wouldn't stop the work - but would cause some delay.
0:04:28 > 0:04:33- More than that, I hoped it would - awaken the Welsh consciousness...
0:04:33 > 0:04:36- ..and people - would take action themselves.
0:04:37 > 0:04:41- You decided to go to Tryweryn. - You decided to bomb the transformer.
0:04:42 > 0:04:44- I take it you prepared beforehand.
0:04:45 > 0:04:46- We had a little training.
0:04:47 > 0:04:51- It wasn't years of training - - it was closer to half an hour!
0:04:52 > 0:04:56- I broke into a quarry - in Llithfaen...
0:04:56 > 0:05:01- ..to try and gather some explosives.
0:05:01 > 0:05:06- The quarry was closed for a few days - giving us time to do the job.
0:05:06 > 0:05:09- We returned home - and opened this huge crate...
0:05:09 > 0:05:13- ..only to find electrical detonators - but no explosives.
0:05:13 > 0:05:15- We were short of gelignite.
0:05:16 > 0:05:21- Emyr Llew found some - in a quarry in Pembrokeshire.
0:05:21 > 0:05:26- You've had some training, you've - gathered the equipment together.
0:05:26 > 0:05:27- What about the recce?
0:05:27 > 0:05:29- What about the recce?- - John and I visited the site...
0:05:29 > 0:05:33- ..on various nights - during the harsh winter of 1963.
0:05:34 > 0:05:39- After many visits, we were confident - we knew what to do.
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- On one occasion, - we were very cheeky...
0:05:43 > 0:05:49- ..and visited the site during - the day, wearing yellow helmets.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52- We told them - we were looking for work.
0:05:52 > 0:05:55- We walked into the office - and it was empty.
0:05:56 > 0:06:01- We were able to sketch - the whole site in broad daylight.
0:06:01 > 0:06:04- We were there - for about half an hour.
0:06:04 > 0:06:07- Then we left - with everything we needed.
0:06:08 > 0:06:12- John and I had pinpointed - five or six targets...
0:06:12 > 0:06:14- ..and a transformer.
0:06:15 > 0:06:17- If you were going to bomb - one target...
0:06:17 > 0:06:19- ..you may as well do four or five.
0:06:20 > 0:06:21- The impact would be greater.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24- Emyr Llew disagreed.
0:06:24 > 0:06:30- Emyr Llew was worried - we'd be labelled as terrorists.
0:06:30 > 0:06:36- If we stuck to one target, - it would be a more symbolic act...
0:06:36 > 0:06:40- ..a la Saunders Lewis in Penyberth.
0:06:40 > 0:06:43- I wasn't keen - to put my head on the block.
0:06:43 > 0:06:48- I wanted to do this job - - I had three children by then...
0:06:48 > 0:06:50- ..and John agreed with me.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53- On the night...
0:06:54 > 0:06:58- ..you couldn't have chosen - a worse night.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01- No. We'd had heavy snowfall.
0:07:02 > 0:07:03- On the way to the site...
0:07:04 > 0:07:09- ..we had a flat tyre - which made the situation worse.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- We were at the roadside - between Bala and Dolgellau.
0:07:12 > 0:07:18- We drove on through Bala - and decided to park up.
0:07:18 > 0:07:20- We headed for Cwmtirmynach...
0:07:21 > 0:07:25- ..and parked the car behind - the primary school in Cwmtirmynach.
0:07:25 > 0:07:30- We then walked the remainder of the - way to the dam, through the snow.
0:07:31 > 0:07:36- Since the snow was so bright, you - were able to see us with our lamps.
0:07:37 > 0:07:41- By the time we reached - the perimeter...
0:07:41 > 0:07:44- ..the security guards had left.
0:07:44 > 0:07:47- We timed our arrival perfectly.
0:07:47 > 0:07:51- Emyr and I went over the fence - to place the bomb...
0:07:51 > 0:07:54- ..under the oil drum.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58- John kept watch outside - in case someone turned up.
0:08:00 > 0:08:03- We were only there - for about 10 minutes...
0:08:03 > 0:08:05- ..but it was a terrible experience.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09- We had a timing device - but as we put it in its place...
0:08:10 > 0:08:13- ..we didn't know - if it would blow up in our hands.
0:08:13 > 0:08:18- It was a frightening experience. - We'd never done it before.
0:08:19 > 0:08:21- We headed back to the car.
0:08:21 > 0:08:25- Unwisely, I decided not - to travel back through Bala.
0:08:26 > 0:08:30- We went back through Cwmtirmynach - to Betws-y-Coed.
0:08:30 > 0:08:32- It was a disastrous decision.
0:08:32 > 0:08:36- In the middle of the road, - there was a van stuck in the snow.
0:08:36 > 0:08:42- This young man helped us turn around - and we helped him with his van.
0:08:42 > 0:08:44- We headed back towards Bala.
0:08:44 > 0:08:50- That decision would come - back to haunt us later.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56- I lived in a flat - above the cafe in Pwllheli.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- Emyr and John - stayed with me that night.
0:09:02 > 0:09:06- We didn't hear a thing - on the news the following morning.
0:09:06 > 0:09:09- We thought - the whole thing had flopped.
0:09:09 > 0:09:13- Either they'd found it - or it had failed to detonate.
0:09:13 > 0:09:19- About midday, we heard about it - on the national news.
0:09:19 > 0:09:22- A bomb had exploded in Tryweryn.
0:09:22 > 0:09:25- In our eyes, it has been a success.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30- Emyr Llewelyn was arrested.
0:09:30 > 0:09:36- Emyr Llewelyn was arrested - around a week after the explosion.
0:09:37 > 0:09:40- Emyr didn't tell the police - who he'd acted with.
0:09:41 > 0:09:45- We had a pact - that whoever was caught...
0:09:45 > 0:09:48- ..wouldn't infiltrate the others.
0:09:49 > 0:09:54- On the night he was sentenced - to 12 months imprisonment...
0:09:54 > 0:09:58- ..John and I went out to blow - up a pylon in Gellilydan...
0:09:59 > 0:10:02- ..which supplied the site - with electricity.
0:10:02 > 0:10:07- Unfortunately, - we didn't have a timer this time.
0:10:07 > 0:10:11- We just flicked two wires connected - to the explosive packages...
0:10:12 > 0:10:14- ..at the base of the transformer.
0:10:14 > 0:10:19- One of the explosives detonated - but the other one didn't...
0:10:19 > 0:10:22- ..but it was enough - to bring the pylon down.
0:10:22 > 0:10:26- That was a rather amateurish job.
0:10:27 > 0:10:29- We were arrested a week later.
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- Do you regret any part of it?
0:10:33 > 0:10:37- No, I have no regrets.
0:10:37 > 0:10:40- The people who suffered the most - were my family.
0:10:41 > 0:10:45- My children were around four - or five years old at the time.
0:10:45 > 0:10:47- You spent a year in jail.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49- Yes.
0:10:49 > 0:10:54- If you looked at the act - in political terms...
0:10:54 > 0:10:58- ..rather than a personal emotion...
0:10:58 > 0:11:02- ..it was an important event - that needed to happen.
0:11:03 > 0:11:09- I was disappointed that the - Welsh nation didn't rise as one.
0:11:09 > 0:11:12- I expected too much...
0:11:13 > 0:11:16- ..but I still think - it was the first stone...
0:11:16 > 0:11:19- ..that created the ripples - in the water.
0:11:19 > 0:11:23- Thank you for sharing the story - and keeping us company.
0:11:24 > 0:11:30- A man who's roots are in Cwm Celyn - joins us after the break.
0:11:30 > 0:11:35- He'll be discussing the - public inquiry into Bloody Sunday.
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0:11:43 > 0:11:45- Welcome back.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49- Earlier, we looked back - at events in Tryweryn.
0:11:49 > 0:11:54- In Part Two, we're heading - to Londonderry, Northern Ireland.
0:11:54 > 0:11:59- It witnessed one of the most - unforgettable events of the 1970s...
0:11:59 > 0:12:01- ..Bloody Sunday.
0:12:04 > 0:12:06- What we saw on Bloody Sunday...
0:12:07 > 0:12:10- ..was one of the most - important events...
0:12:10 > 0:12:14- ..in the history of - Northern Ireland's troubles.
0:12:15 > 0:12:18- It was one of the - bloodiest incidents...
0:12:18 > 0:12:20- ..and one of the most controversial.
0:12:21 > 0:12:26- The Saville Inquiry was completed - only two years ago.
0:12:26 > 0:12:29- That inquiry lasted around 12 years.
0:12:29 > 0:12:34- It was one of the longest in - the history of the United Kingdom.
0:12:34 > 0:12:41- In terms of the day itself, it was - meant to be an organized protest...
0:12:41 > 0:12:45- ..by a group that was trying - to promote human rights...
0:12:45 > 0:12:49- ..in Northern Ireland for Catholics.
0:12:50 > 0:12:53- The Army was sent - to Northern Ireland in 1971.
0:12:53 > 0:12:57- On Bloody Sunday, - the First Battalion...
0:12:57 > 0:13:02- ..of The Parachute Regiment - were heavily involved.
0:13:02 > 0:13:05- 13 protesters were killed - during the protest.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08- As we've learnt - over the past months...
0:13:09 > 0:13:13- ..thanks to the Saville Inquiry...
0:13:13 > 0:13:16- ..many of those killed were unarmed.
0:13:16 > 0:13:20- Some were shot in their backs - by British soldiers.
0:13:20 > 0:13:23- There was a lot of discussion - amongst the soldiers.
0:13:23 > 0:13:27- It's a controversial subject - to this day.
0:13:27 > 0:13:29- The work of gathering the facts...
0:13:30 > 0:13:33- ..to apportion the blame - for Bloody Sunday...
0:13:33 > 0:13:36- ..was the responsibility - of my next guest...
0:13:36 > 0:13:38- ..solicitor Peter Watkin Jones.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- How did you become involved - in the first place?
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- As a firm, we were invited - to tender for the work.
0:13:46 > 0:13:50- We presented our tender - and my name was on the tender.
0:13:50 > 0:13:54- As a Welsh speaker, I thought - I would understand better...
0:13:54 > 0:13:57- ..than some of my partners - in England...
0:13:57 > 0:14:03- ..how a community would respond - to the presence of British soldiers.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07- How wary were they - when you went over there?
0:14:07 > 0:14:10- They were very suspicious.
0:14:10 > 0:14:13- When I was there - at the very beginning...
0:14:13 > 0:14:16- ..I was regularly confronted - by news teams...
0:14:17 > 0:14:20- ..accusing me of being a member - of MI5.
0:14:21 > 0:14:25- They believed I was turning up - with a British agenda...
0:14:25 > 0:14:29- ..to criticise the local community - for a second time.
0:14:29 > 0:14:33- They didn't think I wanted - to discover the real truth.
0:14:34 > 0:14:40- My role was to persuade the people - that I was unbiased...
0:14:40 > 0:14:45- ..and that our team was eager - to discover the truth as it was.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48- In a situation like that...
0:14:48 > 0:14:52- ..it must have been difficult - to meet some of the people.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56- It was very difficult - but my intention....
0:14:57 > 0:15:03- At the time, there was no peace - settlement in Northern Ireland.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06- There were regular fatalities.
0:15:07 > 0:15:14- I wanted to meet people but I wanted - to make sure my staff were safe.
0:15:14 > 0:15:19- I wanted to meet the people - and make sure they knew who I was.
0:15:19 > 0:15:26- I was impartial, I would visit - Bogside to knock on people's doors.
0:15:26 > 0:15:31- I was made aware of the identities - of the community leaders...
0:15:31 > 0:15:34- ..and knocked on their doors.
0:15:34 > 0:15:36- You literally walked into Bogside?
0:15:36 > 0:15:38- You literally walked into Bogside?- - I met the police beforehand...
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- ..because I wanted to know - the risks.
0:15:41 > 0:15:47- They gave me some answers - that made me very nervous.
0:15:47 > 0:15:52- I was told my identity would - already be known to many people.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57- I was advised to visit alone, - without a police officer...
0:15:57 > 0:16:00- ..to avoid missiles - being thrown at us.
0:16:00 > 0:16:02- When I walked into Bogside...
0:16:02 > 0:16:07- ..I was confronted by a mural of - a man with a mask over his face...
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- ..a gun in his hand - and the words 'Sniper at work'.
0:16:11 > 0:16:14- I remember a problem at the time...
0:16:14 > 0:16:19- ..was people wouldn't admit - to being members of the IRA.
0:16:19 > 0:16:24- The IRA has always been - a secret society.
0:16:25 > 0:16:30- For years, they refused - to conform, they refused to meet me.
0:16:30 > 0:16:34- I had to try and persuade them - to cooperate and speak to me.
0:16:35 > 0:16:40- This was the first time for some of - them to admit to being in the IRA.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42- Martin McGuiness was one.
0:16:43 > 0:16:45- Are we guilty of not appreciating...
0:16:45 > 0:16:48- ..the depth of resentment - over Bloody Sunday in Derry?
0:16:49 > 0:16:54- I didn't realize how historically - significant it actually was.
0:16:54 > 0:16:57- In Wales, we have Tryweryn.
0:16:57 > 0:17:01- Tryweryn for them is Bloody Sunday, - where 13 people died.
0:17:02 > 0:17:05- I was aware that this was - an important event...
0:17:05 > 0:17:09- ..but for them, - it had happened yesterday...
0:17:09 > 0:17:11- ..not 25 years earlier.
0:17:11 > 0:17:15- How did you persuade people - to talk to you?
0:17:15 > 0:17:19- How did you know - if they were telling the truth?
0:17:20 > 0:17:24- I've learnt how to persuade people - to talk.
0:17:24 > 0:17:27- There's a skill and a technique.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30- I learnt through experience...
0:17:30 > 0:17:35- ..when I spoke to the children - who'd been at Bryn Estyn.
0:17:35 > 0:17:42- I'd been involved with the child - abuse case at Bryn Estyn previously.
0:17:42 > 0:17:48- I'd adopted a technique - which was suitable to Bloody Sunday.
0:17:49 > 0:17:51- I didn't go in - with a list of questions.
0:17:52 > 0:17:56- If people are ready to talk - and you're ready to listen...
0:17:57 > 0:18:02- ..and the skill is listening and - responding, you will find the truth.
0:18:02 > 0:18:06- It's not up to me to decide if - they're telling the truth or not.
0:18:06 > 0:18:09- My intention was to persuade them - to talk...
0:18:10 > 0:18:13- ..so that the inquiry, - and Lord Saville in this case...
0:18:14 > 0:18:16- ..could listen - to the best testimony.
0:18:17 > 0:18:21- I persuaded them that I was there - to do my best for them.
0:18:21 > 0:18:24- That was my responsibility.
0:18:24 > 0:18:29- Is there a temptation to place - yourself in a dangerous situation...
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- ..to gather the information - you require?
0:18:34 > 0:18:37- Certainly, - when your staff are involved.
0:18:37 > 0:18:43- We created internal regulations - that I thought were sensible.
0:18:43 > 0:18:48- I'm not one to take risks. Who would - take a risk with his own staff?
0:18:50 > 0:18:55- Sometimes, you were confronted - with the unexpected.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- I found myself - in unexpected situations...
0:19:00 > 0:19:04- ..possibly because - of the naive way I'd acted.
0:19:04 > 0:19:09- When you talk about Bloody Sunday, - discussions turn to the IRA...
0:19:10 > 0:19:15- ..but you were also analysing - the role of the British Army.
0:19:15 > 0:19:19- Were they as awkward to deal with - as the IRA?
0:19:20 > 0:19:27- Being in charge of a public inquiry - is a rather unusual responsibility.
0:19:29 > 0:19:31- You hear views from opposing camps.
0:19:31 > 0:19:35- In a court case, you only ask - for your client's testimony.
0:19:35 > 0:19:39- You don't hear the opposing argument - until you're in court.
0:19:39 > 0:19:42- When you gather testimony - for a public inquiry...
0:19:42 > 0:19:45- ..you interview the people - who were shot...
0:19:45 > 0:19:47- ..and the people who shot them.
0:19:47 > 0:19:51- Normally, no-one wants to - speak to me, no-one at all.
0:19:51 > 0:19:56- The people who've been shot, or - the children who've been abused...
0:19:56 > 0:20:00- ..they don't want - to relive the experience.
0:20:00 > 0:20:02- When I'm interviewing someone...
0:20:03 > 0:20:06- ..I want them to recall - the moment it happened...
0:20:06 > 0:20:08- ..so that they relive it anew.
0:20:09 > 0:20:12- They weren't eager to talk - about their experiences.
0:20:13 > 0:20:18- The soldiers who fired the shots - weren't eager to talk.
0:20:18 > 0:20:25- They were worried that they would - be subject to criminal proceedings.
0:20:25 > 0:20:28- It was difficult to persuade anyone - to talk to me.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32- The best way to do it is by - not accusing anyone of anything.
0:20:32 > 0:20:38- Give them plenty of support by - listening and responding sensibly.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42- The original intention - was to go over for three weeks.
0:20:42 > 0:20:45- You ended up being there - for seven years.
0:20:45 > 0:20:48- How do you know that you - reached the right conclusion?
0:20:48 > 0:20:51- How do you know that - there's nothing more to discover?
0:20:54 > 0:20:57- Certainly, - the Bloody Sunday inquiry...
0:20:58 > 0:21:01- ..was the longest - and most expensive ever held.
0:21:02 > 0:21:03- How much did it cost?
0:21:04 > 0:21:06- About 200m.
0:21:09 > 0:21:13- We managed to complete the inquiry - by leaving no stone unturned.
0:21:13 > 0:21:18- That was the policy drawn up - by Lord Saville at the beginning.
0:21:18 > 0:21:21- He wasn't going to be accused - of complacency...
0:21:21 > 0:21:25- ..as his predecessor had been - about 20 years earlier.
0:21:25 > 0:21:27- He wanted to discover the truth.
0:21:28 > 0:21:33- In your job, you collect information - that sometimes shocks you.
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- How do you keep it - all in emotionally?
0:21:36 > 0:21:38- How do you cope - with all the information?
0:21:39 > 0:21:43- You're married, you have a family, - you're away from home a lot.
0:21:43 > 0:21:45- Are you able to control - your emotions?
0:21:46 > 0:21:48- Do you have to be - a certain type of person?
0:21:50 > 0:21:55- The way I and the team - interview people...
0:21:55 > 0:22:01- ..we try and encourage people - to relive their experiences.
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- When I interview someone, - I don't write anything down.
0:22:05 > 0:22:09- I listen to them and try and - relive the experience with them.
0:22:10 > 0:22:12- I see everything through their eyes.
0:22:13 > 0:22:15- If something's happened - in Bogside...
0:22:16 > 0:22:19- ..or there's been abuse - in a children's home...
0:22:19 > 0:22:24- ..I walk down the corridor - with them, I hear the same sounds...
0:22:24 > 0:22:26- ..I relive the same experiences.
0:22:26 > 0:22:32- That certainly leaves its mark - but I can't do my work properly...
0:22:32 > 0:22:38- ..or gain someone's trust, unless - I'm ready to do that with them.
0:22:38 > 0:22:42- I don't ask people to repeat facts.
0:22:42 > 0:22:46- I ask them to explain - the emotions they felt at the time.
0:22:46 > 0:22:48- I share the emotion with them.
0:22:49 > 0:22:51- How do I cope with it afterwards?
0:22:51 > 0:22:54- When I go home, I switch off.
0:22:55 > 0:22:58- I don't work on weekends.
0:22:58 > 0:23:01- I sing with Mynediad Am Ddim - every now and then.
0:23:01 > 0:23:04- That's a very different experience.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07- And my family keeps me sane.
0:23:08 > 0:23:11- Thank you for sharing - that time with us tonight.
0:23:11 > 0:23:15- Thank you very much. - That's it for this week.
0:23:15 > 0:23:21- If you have a story, get in touch. - We want to hear your stories on S4C.
0:23:21 > 0:23:25- We'll be back next week. - Until then, goodnight.
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