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0:00:20 > 0:00:23- Welcome to Cadw Cwmni - with me, John Hardy.
0:00:23 > 0:00:27- This series not only provides - a platform for your stories...
0:00:27 > 0:00:30- ..it also brings - a different perspective...
0:00:30 > 0:00:34- ..to some of our nation's - biggest historical events.
0:00:34 > 0:00:38- Later we hear how Radio Ceiliog - promoted Welsh nationalism...
0:00:38 > 0:00:41- ..but first, - let me take you back 45 years...
0:00:41 > 0:00:43- ..when the eyes of the world...
0:00:44 > 0:00:47- ..were fixed - on the Investiture at Caernarfon.
0:00:53 > 0:00:58- The Investiture - took place on 30 June 1969.
0:00:58 > 0:01:03- Discussions had been held in Wales - since the 1950s.
0:01:03 > 0:01:08- Calls came from Caernarfon - and elsewhere in Wales...
0:01:08 > 0:01:12- ..for Charles to be invested - as Prince of Wales.
0:01:12 > 0:01:14- Cardiff was in the running...
0:01:14 > 0:01:19- ..since it was established as the - official capital of Wales in 1955.
0:01:19 > 0:01:24- It prompted discontentment - in Caernarfon.
0:01:24 > 0:01:29- But during - the Commonwealth Games of 1958...
0:01:30 > 0:01:32- ..the Queen declared....
0:01:32 > 0:01:36- ..that Charles would be invested - as Prince of Wales in Caernarfon...
0:01:37 > 0:01:39- ..some time in the future.
0:01:40 > 0:01:44- The town of Caernarfon itself...
0:01:45 > 0:01:48- ..incurred substantial costs - improving services...
0:01:49 > 0:01:51- ..to attract future tourists.
0:01:51 > 0:01:56- The investiture - promised a rise in tourism...
0:01:56 > 0:02:01- ..not only for Caernarfon - but North Wales as a whole.
0:02:01 > 0:02:05- Publicity surrounding the event...
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- ..focused on objection - to the investiture...
0:02:08 > 0:02:11- ..most notably - from the Welsh Language Society...
0:02:11 > 0:02:14- ..that had - gained momentum by 1967...
0:02:14 > 0:02:19- ..and turned its attention to - protesting against the investiture.
0:02:19 > 0:02:23- It considered it a symbol - of English dominance over Wales...
0:02:23 > 0:02:27- ..which shocked - the Labour government of the time.
0:02:27 > 0:02:31- Secretary of State for Wales - Cledwyn Hughes...
0:02:31 > 0:02:34- ..hadn't anticipated - this kind of objection.
0:02:38 > 0:02:42- Two of those - present at the 1969 Investiture...
0:02:42 > 0:02:44- ..were Bobby Haines - and Elfyn Williams.
0:02:45 > 0:02:47- A warm welcome to you both.
0:02:48 > 0:02:52- Bobby, being a local lad, you were - intent on being there on the day?
0:02:53 > 0:02:58- It hadn't crossed my mind - eight months before the investiture.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01- I was employed - by Caernarfon Town Council...
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- ..and attended - the planning meetings.
0:03:05 > 0:03:08- That's when I decided - I wanted to be present.
0:03:08 > 0:03:12- There had been so much enthusiasm - surrounding the 1911 investiture...
0:03:13 > 0:03:15- ..for Edward VIII.
0:03:15 > 0:03:21- Attending such an event would be - an unforgettable experience.
0:03:21 > 0:03:24- Not everyone agreed, - but you were in favour of it?
0:03:25 > 0:03:29- Yes, I have to admit, - I was in favour of it.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32- I'd read accounts about 1911...
0:03:32 > 0:03:36- ..and all the thousands - who attended the investiture.
0:03:36 > 0:03:40- It was a special occasion - for Caernarfon.
0:03:40 > 0:03:44- As a policeman, Elfyn, - it was your duty to be there.
0:03:45 > 0:03:47- Yes, and a year - prior to the investiture...
0:03:48 > 0:03:52- ..I was sent - to Shrewsbury for a year....
0:03:52 > 0:03:57- ..to the special office - that was created in September 1968.
0:03:57 > 0:04:02- It was the first time I'd come face - to face with political policemen...
0:04:02 > 0:04:06- ..whose job it was to police - an area outside of Wales...
0:04:07 > 0:04:11- ..that was run by neither - a Welshman or an Englishman...
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- ..but a Scotsman - by the name of Jock Wilson.
0:04:14 > 0:04:20- As part of my job, he sent me - to police the investiture.
0:04:20 > 0:04:25- I think I'm correct in saying I was - the only Welsh-speaking policeman...
0:04:25 > 0:04:29- ..from Special Branch - at the castle...
0:04:29 > 0:04:34- ..because George Thomas didn't - trust the Welsh-speaking Welshmen...
0:04:34 > 0:04:39- ..of the North Wales police force.
0:04:39 > 0:04:43- You say they didn't trust - the North Wales police.
0:04:43 > 0:04:47- Were you vetted beforehand?
0:04:47 > 0:04:52- We were officially vetted - by Scotland Yard...
0:04:52 > 0:04:54- ..before taking the job.
0:04:54 > 0:04:59- But I got in via the back door, - through my Shrewsbury association.
0:04:59 > 0:05:04- The Special Branch officers - in the castle were all from London.
0:05:04 > 0:05:09- There were rows and rows of them - behind the dais.
0:05:09 > 0:05:12- There was a gun - at the end of each line.
0:05:13 > 0:05:16- Were you aware - of the security surrounding you?
0:05:17 > 0:05:19- Some had objected to it.
0:05:19 > 0:05:24- Everybody was cautious - that things were done correctly.
0:05:24 > 0:05:27- There was - considerable hostility from some...
0:05:28 > 0:05:32- ..towards this special occasion.
0:05:32 > 0:05:34- You must've had a list, Elfyn.
0:05:34 > 0:05:36- Yes, we did.
0:05:37 > 0:05:40- Every person present - had been vetted.
0:05:40 > 0:05:44- You must've had - your most-wanted list.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46- Yes, we did.
0:05:46 > 0:05:50- Can you disclose who some of - them were? Are they famous people?
0:05:51 > 0:05:54- One or two of them are famous now.
0:05:56 > 0:05:58- Are they politicians?
0:05:59 > 0:06:03- The majority - were political nationalists.
0:06:03 > 0:06:07- Various groups had been formed.
0:06:07 > 0:06:11- We kept an eye on them, - monitored them.
0:06:11 > 0:06:15- There were no incidents on the day.
0:06:16 > 0:06:18- I was very pleased about that.
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- Did you have any problems? - Did you prevent anyone entering?
0:06:24 > 0:06:26- There was one incident...
0:06:26 > 0:06:31- ..although I was unaware that - everybody attending had been vetted.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34- A bogus - member of the press entered...
0:06:34 > 0:06:38- ..and presented his ticket, - and a friend beside me...
0:06:38 > 0:06:42- ..looked at this man's ticket - and turned to me and said...
0:06:43 > 0:06:45- .."Are you happy with this?"
0:06:45 > 0:06:49- I could see there was - something wrong with the ticket.
0:06:49 > 0:06:53- A police officer from London - was the other side of Dennis.
0:06:53 > 0:06:57- We handed him the ticket and - said, "We're not happy with this."
0:06:57 > 0:07:00- He looked at the ticket, - then the man.
0:07:01 > 0:07:04- "You're here?" The man said, "Yes."
0:07:04 > 0:07:06- "Come with me," he said.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09- The man was taken...
0:07:09 > 0:07:12- ..to a little cubby hole - next to the entrance.
0:07:12 > 0:07:14- We didn't see him after that.
0:07:14 > 0:07:17- We didn't see him after that.- - I was in my teens at the time...
0:07:18 > 0:07:20- ..and living in the area.
0:07:20 > 0:07:23- I recall - that very little fuss was made.
0:07:24 > 0:07:27- Everything - had been carefully organized.
0:07:27 > 0:07:30- It was - a big occasion for Caernarfon.
0:07:30 > 0:07:34- It was a momentous occasion.
0:07:34 > 0:07:38- You have to remember, - on the morning of the investiture...
0:07:39 > 0:07:41- ..two men were killed near Abergele.
0:07:44 > 0:07:47- It was tragic.
0:07:47 > 0:07:51- That night, - when the investiture was over...
0:07:52 > 0:07:56- ..another man, a soldier, - was killed in Caernarfon Quay.
0:07:57 > 0:08:00- So many things could've gone wrong.
0:08:00 > 0:08:02- Indeed.
0:08:02 > 0:08:06- A bomb planted - behind the Chief Constable's home...
0:08:06 > 0:08:08- ..was detonated at 2.00pm.
0:08:08 > 0:08:12- We couldn't understand - where the noise had come from.
0:08:12 > 0:08:16- The guns - were meant to fire a salute...
0:08:17 > 0:08:20- ..over the estuary.
0:08:20 > 0:08:24- We thought a soldier - had fired his gun by mistake...
0:08:24 > 0:08:27- ..when, in fact, it was a bomb.
0:08:27 > 0:08:30- The bomber himself - was at the investiture.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33- He was with the Dental Corps.
0:08:33 > 0:08:38- That's another story, but he was - camping across the estuary...
0:08:38 > 0:08:41- ..waiting for his moment to strike.
0:08:42 > 0:08:45- People usually pick up souvenirs - of various events...
0:08:46 > 0:08:49- ..but I'm surprised - you swiped the cushion!
0:08:49 > 0:08:51- This is it.
0:08:53 > 0:08:57- There were thousands of these - on special chairs that day...
0:08:57 > 0:09:01- ..that had been dressed - for the investiture.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04- To keep costs to a minimum...
0:09:04 > 0:09:07- ..they decided to sell these chairs.
0:09:07 > 0:09:10- I have one myself - and this is the cushion.
0:09:10 > 0:09:13- So you bought the chair - and the cushion?
0:09:14 > 0:09:17- Like they did - with the Olympic Torch!
0:09:18 > 0:09:20- This is a souvenir.
0:09:20 > 0:09:23- Believe it or not, - Prince Charles has sat on this.
0:09:24 > 0:09:27- Yes, he sat on this very cushion.
0:09:28 > 0:09:30- How much did you pay for it?
0:09:30 > 0:09:32- I got it for free.
0:09:34 > 0:09:36- What about the chair?
0:09:36 > 0:09:40- My friend - lent me the chair 20 years ago.
0:09:40 > 0:09:45- Once it came through the front - door, I said to Margaret...
0:09:45 > 0:09:47- ..who's a royalist...
0:09:47 > 0:09:51- .."This chair - isn't leaving this house before me!"
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- How did Prince Charles - come to sit on it?
0:09:55 > 0:09:58- He'd come to Caernarfon.
0:09:58 > 0:10:02- He'd been to a service - at St Mary's Church.
0:10:02 > 0:10:06- He suffers with a sore back - from horse riding.
0:10:06 > 0:10:09- He needed a cushion for support.
0:10:09 > 0:10:13- I said, "I've a cushion at home," - so I took it to the church.
0:10:13 > 0:10:17- I was very active - in St Mary's Church back then.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19- Prince Charles sat on this cushion.
0:10:20 > 0:10:22- And you haven't washed it since!
0:10:22 > 0:10:24- Evidently not!
0:10:26 > 0:10:30- I think you can put it away now.
0:10:30 > 0:10:32- Thank you for joining me...
0:10:32 > 0:10:36- ..and taking us back 45 years...
0:10:36 > 0:10:40- ..to that momentous day - in Caernarfon.
0:10:40 > 0:10:42- It's time for a break now.
0:10:42 > 0:10:47- Join me in Part 2 to hear about - Radio Ceiliog's pirate broadcasts.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49- See you in two minutes.
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0:10:57 > 0:10:59- Welcome back to Cadw Cwmni.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02- In Part 1, we heard about - the 1969 Investiture...
0:11:03 > 0:11:05- ..an occasion well known to us all.
0:11:05 > 0:11:09- But how many of you - are conversant with Radio Ceiliog...
0:11:09 > 0:11:12- ..and its messages of nationalism?
0:11:12 > 0:11:16- # "The March of the Men of Harlech" - - Joseph Barnby
0:11:18 > 0:11:20- "This is Radio Cymru.
0:11:20 > 0:11:24- "This is the voice of Free Wales."
0:11:24 > 0:11:28- "From a secret location - close to the Eisteddfod ground...
0:11:28 > 0:11:32- "..a Radio Wales broadcast was aired - for the first time on Monday night.
0:11:32 > 0:11:36- "We were invited - to get involved and meet the crew.
0:11:36 > 0:11:41- "In an old Standard 9, which sounded - as if it were about to break down...
0:11:41 > 0:11:43- "..we were taken to - an ordinary-looking house.
0:11:44 > 0:11:47- "At the kitchen table - sat five young men...
0:11:47 > 0:11:50- "..and a housewife - sat in front of the fire.
0:11:50 > 0:11:55- "On a table beside the television - set were two little machines.
0:11:55 > 0:11:58- "A recording machine - and a radio transmitter.
0:11:58 > 0:12:03- "The transmitter was attached - to the television aerial.
0:12:03 > 0:12:06- "That was the - technological equipment required...
0:12:07 > 0:12:11- "..to broadcast the message on Radio - Wales over a distance of 12 miles."
0:12:14 > 0:12:19- I must admit how little I knew - of Radio Ceiliog (Radio Cockerel)...
0:12:19 > 0:12:22- ..before my next guest - drew my attention to it.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25- Phillip Lloyd, welcome.
0:12:26 > 0:12:29- Let's start from the very beginning. - Why was Radio Ceiliog necessary?
0:12:30 > 0:12:34- The story begins in 1952...
0:12:35 > 0:12:37- ..with the establishment...
0:12:37 > 0:12:41- ..of the Broadcasting Councils - for Wales and Scotland.
0:12:41 > 0:12:45- The agendas of both countries - were very similar.
0:12:46 > 0:12:49- The two councils were created...
0:12:49 > 0:12:53- ..to oversee - the Welsh Home Service...
0:12:53 > 0:12:56- ..and the Scottish Home Service...
0:12:56 > 0:12:59- ..under the BBC's charter.
0:12:59 > 0:13:02- The Broadcasting Council - for Wales...
0:13:02 > 0:13:06- ..under the chairmanship - of Lord Macdonald...
0:13:06 > 0:13:11- ..a former Labour politician and - the last governor of Newfoundland...
0:13:11 > 0:13:16- ..decided that its command - of the Welsh Home Service...
0:13:16 > 0:13:21- ..would cater for the Welsh nation's - tastes, culture and interests...
0:13:21 > 0:13:24- ..including politics.
0:13:24 > 0:13:30- Back then, if a political party - held 50 seats...
0:13:30 > 0:13:35- ..out of a total of 600 - in the United Kingdom as a whole...
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- ..they were allocated - broadcast time.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41- Lord Macdonald - and his council decided...
0:13:41 > 0:13:44- ..to apply that rule to Wales.
0:13:44 > 0:13:48- Every party - that had contested three seats...
0:13:48 > 0:13:51- ..in the previous - general election...
0:13:51 > 0:13:54- ..adhered to - the one-in-12 criteria...
0:13:54 > 0:13:58- ..which was the same - for all constituencies in the UK.
0:13:58 > 0:14:01- They invited four parties...
0:14:01 > 0:14:06- ..namely Labour, the Tories, - Plaid Cymru and the Liberals...
0:14:06 > 0:14:09- ..to meet - and discuss the possibility...
0:14:09 > 0:14:14- ..of giving every party 15 minutes - of air time every six months.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17- The four parties convened, - as agreed.
0:14:17 > 0:14:23- I don't know what happened in secret - during the months that followed...
0:14:24 > 0:14:28- ..but the eventual outcome - saw Dr Charles Hill...
0:14:29 > 0:14:33- ..become the mouthpiece - for the Tory government...
0:14:34 > 0:14:36- ..and the Labour Opposition...
0:14:36 > 0:14:39- ..declaring - that it wasn't the responsibility...
0:14:40 > 0:14:45- ..of the Welsh Broadcasting Council - to allow politics any air time.
0:14:45 > 0:14:50- So Lord Macdonald - and his council's plans were vetoed.
0:14:51 > 0:14:56- However, consent was given - to the three other parties...
0:14:56 > 0:14:58- ..the major parties...
0:14:58 > 0:15:02- ..to continue - with party political broadcasts...
0:15:02 > 0:15:06- ..throughout Britain.
0:15:06 > 0:15:11- So Plaid Cymru didn't have a voice - as a result of these new rules?
0:15:11 > 0:15:14- I presume that - several activists got together...
0:15:14 > 0:15:17- ..to create Radio Ceiliog?
0:15:18 > 0:15:20- Are we talking about the 1950s here?
0:15:21 > 0:15:23- It was the 1960s by then.
0:15:23 > 0:15:26- You've already - shown stills from Y Cymro...
0:15:27 > 0:15:29- ..of that group - in a house in Llangefni.
0:15:30 > 0:15:32- The Standard 9...
0:15:32 > 0:15:37- ..that sounded as if it were - about to break down was my car!
0:15:37 > 0:15:40- I sold it for five pounds - a few months afterwards.
0:15:41 > 0:15:43- It was an old banger.
0:15:43 > 0:15:45- My baptism of fire came...
0:15:45 > 0:15:51- ..when I was asked to take - Geoff Charles and his reporter...
0:15:51 > 0:15:53- ..to that house in Llangefni.
0:15:53 > 0:15:56- I'm from the Rhymney Valley, myself.
0:15:56 > 0:15:58- I was a young teacher...
0:15:58 > 0:16:02- ..returning to my parents' home - in Bargoed for a break...
0:16:02 > 0:16:07- ..when I came across a bunch of - non-Welsh-speaking nationalists...
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- ..who were - fiercely patriotic about Wales.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15- That's when the East Glamorgan - Station came into being.
0:16:15 > 0:16:17- That was my involvement in it.
0:16:17 > 0:16:20- I've enquired among friends...
0:16:20 > 0:16:24- ..and one of them, - Berian Williams from Hirwaun...
0:16:24 > 0:16:29- ..would prepare audio tapes - to distribute around Wales.
0:16:29 > 0:16:35- I went on more than one occasion to - Merthyr, the Rhondda and Cardiff...
0:16:35 > 0:16:38- ..to help Radio Ceiliog - broadcast its message.
0:16:38 > 0:16:43- Meic Stephens, the literary writer, - not the musician...
0:16:43 > 0:16:46- ..lived in a large house in Merthyr.
0:16:46 > 0:16:51- Many nationalists - used the house for their purposes.
0:16:51 > 0:16:55- I remember there was a knock - at the door late one night.
0:16:55 > 0:17:00- It was a policeman calling by - for a fag, a cup of tea and a chat.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02- He was downstairs...
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- ..with Meic Stephens, - Glyn James and Harri Webb...
0:17:06 > 0:17:09- ..keeping this policeman company...
0:17:09 > 0:17:12- ..while the others were upstairs...
0:17:13 > 0:17:16- ..recording a radio broadcast.
0:17:16 > 0:17:19- This was completely illegal - at the time.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22- How often would you broadcast?
0:17:22 > 0:17:26- Quite a bit - during 1961, 1962 and 1963.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29- Although it was - illegal and unofficial...
0:17:30 > 0:17:33- ..we were merely - showing our support for Plaid Cymru.
0:17:34 > 0:17:39- But everyone knew - who this Mr Jones was in Llangefni!
0:17:40 > 0:17:43- There could've been - adverse consequences...
0:17:43 > 0:17:45- ..such as a 100 fine...
0:17:45 > 0:17:49- ..a three-month prison sentence, - or both...
0:17:49 > 0:17:52- ..for vetoing the BBC's monopoly.
0:17:53 > 0:17:57- Radio Caroline and Radio Luxembourg - were doing just that.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00- They were challenging - the BBC's monopoly.
0:18:00 > 0:18:02- This is interesting.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- So people tuned in - to Radio Ceiliog...
0:18:06 > 0:18:08- ..via their television set?
0:18:08 > 0:18:10- Yes, that's right.
0:18:10 > 0:18:13- It was completely impromptu?
0:18:13 > 0:18:16- You just popped up - at the end of the night...
0:18:16 > 0:18:19- ..before the white spot appeared?
0:18:19 > 0:18:24- Yes, and Berian Williams, who made - and distributed these audio tapes...
0:18:25 > 0:18:30- ..knew that the programme ended - with Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau...
0:18:30 > 0:18:35- ..and was worried that it'd allow - BBC technicians enough time...
0:18:36 > 0:18:39- ..if they were truly after us, - to track us down.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42- So the anthem - was subsequently dropped!
0:18:42 > 0:18:45- How long did it last?
0:18:46 > 0:18:49- As the photograph - from Y Cymro shows...
0:18:49 > 0:18:53- ..I witnessed - the first ever broadcast...
0:18:53 > 0:18:57- ..in that house - in Llangefni in 1961.
0:18:57 > 0:19:02- Although the pirate broadcasts - were illegal and unofficial...
0:19:02 > 0:19:08- ..there's proof that - the London branch of Plaid Cymru...
0:19:08 > 0:19:13- ..took responsibility - for the broadcasts in Hampstead...
0:19:13 > 0:19:16- ..which was the constituency...
0:19:16 > 0:19:20- ..of Henry Brooke, - the Minister of Welsh Affairs.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23- But, of course, by 1965...
0:19:23 > 0:19:28- ..we were allocated five minutes - a year of air time on radio...
0:19:28 > 0:19:31- ..and a further - five minutes a year on television.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35- So, in one respect, - you filled the void...
0:19:35 > 0:19:40- ..until Plaid Cymru - was officially acknowledged...
0:19:40 > 0:19:43- ..and you felt your work was done?
0:19:43 > 0:19:45- Yes, that's right.
0:19:46 > 0:19:48- Did you - ever come close to being caught?
0:19:49 > 0:19:54- I don't know. I don't know - how much influence it had on voters.
0:19:54 > 0:19:59- In actual fact, Plaid Cymru - received fewer votes in 1964.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04- No-one knows - the exact reason for that.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- There were more candidates - but fewer votes.
0:20:07 > 0:20:10- Gwynfor - expressed his disappointment.
0:20:10 > 0:20:15- Nothing can ever replace - direct publicity.
0:20:16 > 0:20:20- Being interrogated on television, - for example.
0:20:20 > 0:20:23- How political - were the broadcasts?
0:20:23 > 0:20:28- In our English-language broadcasts - from the Rhymney Valley...
0:20:28 > 0:20:31- ..the East Glamorgan Station...
0:20:31 > 0:20:35- ..I'm certain - we emphasized the injustice...
0:20:35 > 0:20:38- ..of Plaid Cymru - not being allocated air time.
0:20:38 > 0:20:42- I can't speak about the programmes' - content in other areas.
0:20:43 > 0:20:48- I know Gwynfor Evans spoke in Welsh - in some areas and English in others.
0:20:48 > 0:20:53- But although we were still reeling - from the injustice of it all...
0:20:54 > 0:20:57- ..in our - English-language broadcast...
0:20:57 > 0:21:01- ..Emrys Roberts, - the Plaid Cymru candidate...
0:21:01 > 0:21:04- ..and Labour's Michael Foot...
0:21:04 > 0:21:07- ..some time after - Aneurin Bevan's death...
0:21:07 > 0:21:11- ..were publicly - discussing politics on the radio.
0:21:11 > 0:21:15- So Radio Ceiliog was bilingual?
0:21:15 > 0:21:20- Yes, well, as I said, - our broadcasts were in English.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24- Gwynfor - gave an English-language address...
0:21:24 > 0:21:27- ..although - there was a Welsh one available...
0:21:28 > 0:21:34- ..but once again, in that - Llangefni broadcast in 1959...
0:21:34 > 0:21:40- ..it went, "Peidiwch a diffodd - eich teledu, here is Radio Wales."
0:21:40 > 0:21:43- I can't remember - as far back as that...
0:21:43 > 0:21:47- ..but I'm not - doubting the narrator's words.
0:21:47 > 0:21:50- Did people - respond to these broadcasts?
0:21:50 > 0:21:57- No, because how could we - ask people on the street...
0:21:57 > 0:22:02- ..to respond to - an illegal pirate broadcast?
0:22:02 > 0:22:04- Interesting.
0:22:04 > 0:22:09- There are so many stories - emanating from the early 1960s...
0:22:09 > 0:22:14- ..that are romanticized, but - I haven't heard this one before.
0:22:14 > 0:22:16- We're grateful to you...
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- ..for bringing Radio Ceiliog - to our attention.
0:22:20 > 0:22:24- This won't be used - as evidence against us, I hope?
0:22:25 > 0:22:27- I very much hope not.
0:22:28 > 0:22:32- These are merely allegations, - of course. It's all been lies!
0:22:32 > 0:22:36- Phillip has drawn our attention - to Radio Ceiliog's history.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38- If you've a story to tell...
0:22:38 > 0:22:42- ..this programme provides - a platform for them to be heard.
0:22:42 > 0:22:44- Do get in touch.
0:22:44 > 0:22:46- Until next time, goodbye.
0:23:05 > 0:23:07- S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
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