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0:00:19 > 0:00:20- Welcome to Cadw Cwmni...
0:00:21 > 0:00:25- ..the series which proves the nation - has memorable stories to tell...
0:00:26 > 0:00:29- ..and provides a platform - for them to be heard.
0:00:29 > 0:00:34- We meet a man who's following in - Waldo's footsteps, albeit on a bike.
0:00:34 > 0:00:37- But first, - let's return to the 1970s...
0:00:37 > 0:00:41- ..when Ugandan refugees - were seeking asylum.
0:00:42 > 0:00:45- In 1971, - following a successful coup...
0:00:45 > 0:00:48- ..to overthrow - Milton Obote's government...
0:00:48 > 0:00:51- ..Idi Amin - became president of Uganda...
0:00:51 > 0:00:56- ..a country that gained independence - from British governance in 1962.
0:00:56 > 0:01:01- Like many - former British colonies in Africa...
0:01:01 > 0:01:06- ..Uganda had a large population of - citizens of South Asian descent...
0:01:06 > 0:01:10- ..who had first entered the country - in the 1890s...
0:01:10 > 0:01:13- ..to help build the railroads.
0:01:13 > 0:01:16- Many decided to settle in Uganda...
0:01:16 > 0:01:21- ..and their children became doctors, - teachers and businessmen.
0:01:21 > 0:01:25- Over time, - resentment began to grow in Uganda.
0:01:26 > 0:01:31- The Asian community was seen to be - capitalizing on the African economy.
0:01:31 > 0:01:33- Idi Amin strongly believed this...
0:01:34 > 0:01:38- ..calling the Asian community - economic bloodsuckers.
0:01:38 > 0:01:42- In August 1972, - he issued them with an ultimatum.
0:01:42 > 0:01:47- They were ordered - to flee Uganda within 90 days...
0:01:47 > 0:01:50- ..and leave behind - all their possessions.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53- They had to leave - their homes and businesses.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57- All they could take with them - was one bag and 50 per family.
0:01:58 > 0:02:01- Initially, most of them - had to live in 12 camps...
0:02:01 > 0:02:05- ..that had been established - across Britain...
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- ..one of which - was the Tonfanau camp near Towyn...
0:02:09 > 0:02:11- ..in the northeast of Wales.
0:02:11 > 0:02:15- It served as a refuge - for more than 1,500 refugees.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21- Our first guest on Cadw Cwmni - remembers those days very well.
0:02:21 > 0:02:26- Hywel Gwyn Evans was a headmaster - at Ysgol Y Gadair, Dolgellau.
0:02:26 > 0:02:32- What's the connection - between Uganda and Ysgol Y Gadair?
0:02:32 > 0:02:36- I'd been a headmaster - for about a year at the school...
0:02:37 > 0:02:39- ..and I also lived on site.
0:02:39 > 0:02:43- The schoolhouse was right in - the centre of the school grounds...
0:02:43 > 0:02:46- ..among the trees, - bushes and lawns.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49- I'd been there a year...
0:02:49 > 0:02:53- ..when 33 children - arrived from Uganda.
0:02:54 > 0:02:58- Boys and girls.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01- Some were Hindus, some were Muslims.
0:03:01 > 0:03:05- The school completely changed, - for a time.
0:03:05 > 0:03:09- Why did they move - into that particular area?
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- The Tonfanau camp - was empty at the time.
0:03:12 > 0:03:17- It was a former - military barracks near Towyn.
0:03:18 > 0:03:20- So, 33 children turn up - at Ysgol Y Gadair.
0:03:21 > 0:03:23- What effect did it have - on the school?
0:03:23 > 0:03:27- It was far from being a big school.
0:03:27 > 0:03:30- There were - only 380 pupils at the school.
0:03:30 > 0:03:35- 33 additional pupils - was a bit of a shock.
0:03:37 > 0:03:42- Most of them ranged in age - from 15 and 16 years...
0:03:42 > 0:03:45- ..to 18 and 19 years old.
0:03:47 > 0:03:49- They were - very interested in education.
0:03:50 > 0:03:52- They came to school to work hard.
0:03:52 > 0:03:57- They were a little surprised - by a few of the pupils...
0:03:57 > 0:04:00- ..who weren't interested - in learning.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03- They'd often berate - the local children.
0:04:03 > 0:04:07- They'd say, "Listen, you come - to school to work and get ahead."
0:04:08 > 0:04:10- That was their background in Uganda.
0:04:10 > 0:04:14- They were the children - of successful parents.
0:04:14 > 0:04:17- Businessmen, merchants, shopkeepers.
0:04:17 > 0:04:23- They were wealthy, which is why - Idi Amin banished them from Uganda.
0:04:23 > 0:04:27- That's interesting, - because refugees are usually poor.
0:04:28 > 0:04:31- But it was the middle classes - who were exiled from Uganda.
0:04:32 > 0:04:34- Most of them were gifted pupils.
0:04:34 > 0:04:36- Most of them were gifted pupils.- - Was there any conflict...
0:04:36 > 0:04:39- ..between them - and the local children?
0:04:40 > 0:04:42- Not as far as I knew, no...
0:04:42 > 0:04:46- ..until this one - particular incident.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49- The children had been at school - for a few weeks.
0:04:49 > 0:04:51- One playtime...
0:04:51 > 0:04:56- ..one of the teachers - who was on yard duty...
0:04:56 > 0:05:00- ..brought in a boy called Karim.
0:05:00 > 0:05:04- His name alone - indicated that he was a Muslim...
0:05:04 > 0:05:07- ..although - I was unaware of that at the time.
0:05:08 > 0:05:11- He was a sweet child - with rather a big nose.
0:05:11 > 0:05:16- But this playtime, his nose - was larger than usual and bloody.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- Someone had walloped him.
0:05:19 > 0:05:25- Karim didn't want me - to do anything about it.
0:05:25 > 0:05:27- But I had to.
0:05:27 > 0:05:29- Someone had attacked him.
0:05:30 > 0:05:31- Within a few minutes...
0:05:31 > 0:05:36- ..I learnt that it was one of - the local lads who had attacked him.
0:05:36 > 0:05:39- I didn't know the reason behind it.
0:05:39 > 0:05:41- The pupil was brought before me.
0:05:41 > 0:05:45- The boy had been a troublemaker - over the years.
0:05:46 > 0:05:50- I handed him a letter, - there and then...
0:05:50 > 0:05:55- ..explaining to his parents he was - suspended for the rest of the week.
0:05:55 > 0:05:57- But I later discovered...
0:05:57 > 0:06:01- ..there was some background - to this incident.
0:06:02 > 0:06:06- I was at home one night...
0:06:06 > 0:06:09- ..and a gang of boys - from the town...
0:06:11 > 0:06:14- ..some of the town's hoodlums...
0:06:14 > 0:06:17- ..as I liked to call them.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20- It's not a word you hear very often.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22- Some of the town's hoodlums...
0:06:23 > 0:06:27- ..had gathered at the foot - of the drive to the main entrance...
0:06:27 > 0:06:32- ..opposite the Crown Court's offices - and Crossville Garage...
0:06:32 > 0:06:34- ..as Dolgellau - used to look back then.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- They were waiting for the Ugandans.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- This is what happened.
0:06:40 > 0:06:43- One night a week...
0:06:46 > 0:06:51- ..the town's cricket team came - to the school's gym to practise.
0:06:51 > 0:06:53- There were cricket nets there.
0:06:53 > 0:06:56- This carried on for years...
0:06:56 > 0:07:00- ..until Merionethshire - County Council ran out of money.
0:07:00 > 0:07:04- It put an end - to the local boys' cricket practice.
0:07:04 > 0:07:08- However, money was made available...
0:07:08 > 0:07:13- ..to a former solider responsible - for the running of Tonfanau.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16- He was allocated the money...
0:07:16 > 0:07:21- ..and he knew the Ugandan boys - were very keen on cricket.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- He arranged with me...
0:07:23 > 0:07:27- ..that they could use the nets...
0:07:27 > 0:07:29- ..one night a week.
0:07:29 > 0:07:34- The facility was stopped - for the local boys...
0:07:35 > 0:07:38- ..but the Ugandans - were allowed to practise.
0:07:38 > 0:07:40- The news spread like wildfire.
0:07:41 > 0:07:43- On this particular night...
0:07:43 > 0:07:47- ..a bunch of hoodlums gathered...
0:07:47 > 0:07:49- ..at the bottom of the drive.
0:07:49 > 0:07:51- I've no doubt...
0:07:51 > 0:07:56- ..they would've attacked - the Ugandans who arrived by bus.
0:07:56 > 0:08:00- I knew nothing about this, - of course.
0:08:00 > 0:08:04- I was with my wife - and two little children in 1972...
0:08:04 > 0:08:07- ..at the schoolhouse in the dark.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09- I knew nothing about it.
0:08:09 > 0:08:14- But many of the boys and girls - at the Tonfanau camp...
0:08:14 > 0:08:16- ..had fallen ill with flu...
0:08:16 > 0:08:21- ..and they decided - not to send a busload of them...
0:08:21 > 0:08:24- ..to the school that night.
0:08:24 > 0:08:27- So the bus didn't show up...
0:08:27 > 0:08:32- ..and the local boys went home - without any incidents taking place.
0:08:32 > 0:08:35- But if they would've arrived...
0:08:36 > 0:08:40- ..I'm certain - there would've been a nasty clash.
0:08:40 > 0:08:46- Dolgellau and Ysgol Y Gadair - would've made the headlines...
0:08:46 > 0:08:49- ..right across Britain.
0:08:49 > 0:08:52- You mentioned - that when they arrived...
0:08:52 > 0:08:55- ..a few were Muslim - and a few were Hindu.
0:08:55 > 0:08:57- Did that create problems?
0:08:58 > 0:09:01- There were regular absences...
0:09:01 > 0:09:03- ..due to religious festivals.
0:09:03 > 0:09:05- They lost a lot of school.
0:09:05 > 0:09:08- When they attended, - they worked hard...
0:09:09 > 0:09:12- ..but they were absent - during religious festivals.
0:09:12 > 0:09:16- I didn't know - when these festivals occurred.
0:09:16 > 0:09:18- Take Ramadan, for instance.
0:09:18 > 0:09:23- The Muslims were off school - for several days.
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- But when they were at school, - they worked.
0:09:26 > 0:09:30- We changed the menu to accommodate - them in the school refectory.
0:09:31 > 0:09:34- We introduced rice, curry - and all sorts of things.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- Did you have to change many things?
0:09:38 > 0:09:40- Was there a Nativity play - at Christmas?
0:09:41 > 0:09:43- There was always some sort of play.
0:09:44 > 0:09:46- Usually something by Saunders Lewis.
0:09:46 > 0:09:49- There was an awards evening...
0:09:49 > 0:09:52- ..at which someone famous attended.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55- The very first guest - was Carwyn James.
0:09:55 > 0:09:57- The school hall was heaving.
0:09:57 > 0:09:59- All the managers were on stage.
0:09:59 > 0:10:02- They all wanted to attend...
0:10:02 > 0:10:05- ..the first awards evening.
0:10:08 > 0:10:13- We also held a carol service - at the end of the Christmas term.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18- I remember some of the girls - coming up to me.
0:10:18 > 0:10:22- Some of the Ugandan girls - came to ask me...
0:10:23 > 0:10:26- ..if they could take part - in the carol service...
0:10:27 > 0:10:29- ..which was a Christian affair.
0:10:31 > 0:10:34- The girls were Hindus.
0:10:34 > 0:10:38- I remember the clothes they wore.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41- They were dressed - in colourful saris...
0:10:42 > 0:10:46- ..with gold bracelets - on their wrists...
0:10:46 > 0:10:49- ..and a red dot - in the middle of their foreheads.
0:10:50 > 0:10:53- They sang two Hindu songs.
0:10:54 > 0:10:56- They were wonderful.
0:10:58 > 0:11:03- I remember thinking they were more - like young ladies than schoolgirls.
0:11:04 > 0:11:07- They were so mature and pleasant.
0:11:07 > 0:11:10- I imagine - they had to grow up quickly.
0:11:10 > 0:11:12- Yes, that's right.
0:11:12 > 0:11:16- They turned out - like the rest of their families.
0:11:17 > 0:11:19- They were - the cream of the crop in Uganda.
0:11:20 > 0:11:25- They were the wealthy, the - merchants, shopkeepers and bankers.
0:11:25 > 0:11:30- Overnight, they were banished - with nothing but their clothes.
0:11:30 > 0:11:35- Did you keep in touch with them, - or did they keep in touch with you?
0:11:35 > 0:11:38- One of them did.
0:11:38 > 0:11:42- He kept in touch with me personally - for many years.
0:11:44 > 0:11:48- Karim, the boy with the bloody nose, - as it happened.
0:11:48 > 0:11:50- He was a dear little boy.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53- I received - Christmas cards from him...
0:11:54 > 0:11:59- ..for about six, seven - or eight years after that.
0:11:59 > 0:12:02- But I could never - get in touch with him...
0:12:02 > 0:12:07- ..because he never included - his address on the card.
0:12:08 > 0:12:10- What a pity.
0:12:10 > 0:12:13- I often wonder what happened to him.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16- They must've had happy memories.
0:12:16 > 0:12:18- Yes, they did.
0:12:19 > 0:12:21- It was an exciting time, I'm sure.
0:12:21 > 0:12:27- Thank you for getting in touch and - appearing as a guest on Cadw Cwmni.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29- Time for a break now.
0:12:29 > 0:12:33- When we return, we retrace - the journeys of poet Waldo...
0:12:33 > 0:12:35- ..on the back of a bike.
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0:12:43 > 0:12:45- Welcome back.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48- When Cadw Cwmni - was appealing for stories...
0:12:48 > 0:12:51- ..my next guest's name - regularly popped up.
0:12:51 > 0:12:53- A keen cyclist...
0:12:53 > 0:12:57- ..he's retraced the journeys of his - hero and uncle, poet Waldo Williams.
0:12:58 > 0:13:01- Teifryn Williams, - welcome to the show.
0:13:01 > 0:13:05- Waldo was your uncle - but how do you remember him?
0:13:05 > 0:13:10- I was more interested - in his bike than his poetry.
0:13:10 > 0:13:13- I'm asking you - about a famous poet...
0:13:13 > 0:13:16- ..and the first thing you mention - is his bike.
0:13:17 > 0:13:19- Has that always been the case?
0:13:19 > 0:13:21- Yes, pretty much.
0:13:21 > 0:13:25- I remember going to visit him. - He was a keen gardener.
0:13:25 > 0:13:28- He was a good cook too. - He made a nice apple tart.
0:13:29 > 0:13:33- His wife had died and he had to - look after himself after that.
0:13:34 > 0:13:37- He would occasionally - go and stay with his sister...
0:13:37 > 0:13:40- ..but he could look after himself.
0:13:40 > 0:13:44- His wife died at a young age. - He spent the rest of his life alone.
0:13:45 > 0:13:46- He never remarried.
0:13:46 > 0:13:48- He never remarried.- - No, he never did.
0:13:48 > 0:13:52- You and Hefin Wyn decided to - retrace the cycle routes he took...
0:13:53 > 0:13:55- ..on the back of your bikes...
0:13:55 > 0:13:58- ..which are - far more modern than his.
0:13:58 > 0:14:01- Did you learn something - you didn't already know?
0:14:02 > 0:14:06- Yes, I did. - Hefin did a lot of research.
0:14:06 > 0:14:09- He did much more - than we'd done as a family.
0:14:09 > 0:14:14- We visited the places he frequented - as a schoolmaster in England.
0:14:14 > 0:14:19- I didn't remember that period of his - life because I was five years old...
0:14:19 > 0:14:22- ..when he lived in those areas.
0:14:22 > 0:14:24- I didn't know much about that.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27- I met former pupils of his...
0:14:27 > 0:14:30- ..in Botwnnog as well as in England.
0:14:30 > 0:14:33- They were very interesting people.
0:14:33 > 0:14:35- We stayed a night...
0:14:35 > 0:14:39- ..in the house where Waldo lived - as a schoolmaster in Kimbolton.
0:14:39 > 0:14:44- People think of Waldo as - a home bird and a parochial poet...
0:14:44 > 0:14:47- ..but he travelled a great deal, - didn't he?
0:14:48 > 0:14:50- Yes, indeed.
0:14:50 > 0:14:52- He frequently visited Ireland.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56- He lived in a non-Welsh-speaking - area of the county.
0:14:57 > 0:15:01- He was born - in a non-Welsh-speaking area.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- English - was the language of the home.
0:15:05 > 0:15:07- Looking back...
0:15:07 > 0:15:11- ..it's surprising - how little research families do...
0:15:12 > 0:15:14- ..into the lives of their ancestors.
0:15:15 > 0:15:18- I think people - tend to do it more nowadays.
0:15:18 > 0:15:22- There's more interest in family - history than there used to be.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26- Maybe they don't want to know - what happened in the past.
0:15:26 > 0:15:29- You never know what you might find.
0:15:29 > 0:15:33- What sort of characters - did you encounter on your travels?
0:15:33 > 0:15:38- One of the most interesting - characters I met was a solicitor.
0:15:38 > 0:15:40- He was from Kimbolton.
0:15:41 > 0:15:44- Waldo only lived in Kimbolton - for six months.
0:15:44 > 0:15:48- He taught Latin - to this boy at school.
0:15:48 > 0:15:51- He later became a solicitor.
0:15:52 > 0:15:56- He said he never would've been a - solicitor had it not been for Waldo.
0:15:57 > 0:15:59- Waldo ensured - he passed his Latin exam.
0:16:00 > 0:16:03- In those days, you had to pass Latin - to get your certificate.
0:16:04 > 0:16:07- What did they think of him?
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- I think depression - played a part in his life.
0:16:11 > 0:16:14- I think - that's where the cycling comes in.
0:16:14 > 0:16:17- Cycling can lift one's spirits.
0:16:17 > 0:16:21- He did a lot of walking too.
0:16:21 > 0:16:24- The fresh air...
0:16:24 > 0:16:29- ..and outdoor pursuits help a person - if they're feeling depressed.
0:16:30 > 0:16:35- You say he was a man - who suffered with depression.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38- How did he come across to you?
0:16:38 > 0:16:40- What kind of uncle was he?
0:16:40 > 0:16:45- He was a great. He gave us presents - every Christmas and played with us.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48- He was fond of children.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51- He was fond of people in general.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53- He had very strong beliefs.
0:16:54 > 0:16:56- Very strong.
0:16:56 > 0:17:01- I don't know how he stuck to his - beliefs throughout his lifetime.
0:17:01 > 0:17:03- He had a hard life.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05- Do you remember him going to jail?
0:17:05 > 0:17:07- Do you remember him going to jail?- - No, I don't remember it.
0:17:08 > 0:17:13- He lived close to Milford Haven, - where I live now.
0:17:13 > 0:17:17- As children, perhaps the family - had kept it from us.
0:17:17 > 0:17:21- I know - that many people were against it.
0:17:21 > 0:17:24- Do you remember - the furore surrounding it?
0:17:25 > 0:17:29- Yes, I remember people saying - he was a fool for doing it...
0:17:29 > 0:17:32- ..and that he should - get a proper job...
0:17:32 > 0:17:36- ..and not interfere in something - that had nothing to do with him.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39- The bailiffs - made regular visits too.
0:17:40 > 0:17:44- Yes, because - he refused to pay a single fine.
0:17:44 > 0:17:47- They took away all his possessions.
0:17:47 > 0:17:52- The carpets on the floor - and even his bike.
0:17:53 > 0:17:57- He had a better bike when he got out - of prison than he had beforehand.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00- So his old bike was confiscated - before he went in?
0:18:01 > 0:18:03- An old three-speed Royal Enfield.
0:18:03 > 0:18:08- He got a green Raleigh Lenton Sports - when he got out.
0:18:08 > 0:18:12- You don't remember him going - to prison but you remember his bike!
0:18:12 > 0:18:14- Did someone give him the bike?
0:18:14 > 0:18:16- Did someone give him the bike?- - Someone bought him a bike...
0:18:16 > 0:18:19- ..so that he had one - when he left prison.
0:18:19 > 0:18:21- So that he could carry on cycling.
0:18:23 > 0:18:26- Going back - to the journey you made...
0:18:26 > 0:18:30- ..you're obviously someone - who enjoys cycling.
0:18:30 > 0:18:34- What sort of places - have you cycled to in the past?
0:18:34 > 0:18:37- I've been to Spain...
0:18:37 > 0:18:39- ..Argentina...
0:18:40 > 0:18:42- ..France, Ireland...
0:18:42 > 0:18:45- ..Scotland and England, of course.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- What enjoyment do you get out of it?
0:18:52 > 0:18:57- It's more enjoyable after you've - finished rather than during it.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00- You wonder why you do it - in the wind and rain...
0:19:00 > 0:19:02- ..but it's worthwhile afterwards.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06- It's like hitting your head - against a wall until you stop.
0:19:07 > 0:19:11- In terms of the bike ride - retracing Waldo's journeys...
0:19:11 > 0:19:14- ..tell me where you went altogether.
0:19:15 > 0:19:19- What springs to mind first of all?
0:19:19 > 0:19:22- When you do something like this...
0:19:22 > 0:19:27- ..the odd things that happen along - the way tend to stick in the mind.
0:19:27 > 0:19:29- We travelled by train to Limerick.
0:19:30 > 0:19:35- We had to change trains on the way, - and it was a comical experience.
0:19:36 > 0:19:40- We had to change trains, - and we had bags and bikes with us.
0:19:40 > 0:19:44- I've taken a bike on a train before - so I knew I had to be quick.
0:19:44 > 0:19:49- Hefin took his bike and bag - off the train...
0:19:49 > 0:19:54- ..and then he climbed back on board - and the train left with him on it.
0:19:54 > 0:19:59- His bag was with me - and the train had gone.
0:19:59 > 0:20:04- I went up to the guard - at the station...
0:20:04 > 0:20:06- ..to tell him what had happened.
0:20:06 > 0:20:10- I said it was wrong - that the train wouldn't let him off.
0:20:10 > 0:20:14- He said the train - wouldn't stop until it reached Cork.
0:20:14 > 0:20:18- So I had breakfast - and he caught the next train back.
0:20:18 > 0:20:20- At least they sorted you out.
0:20:20 > 0:20:25- Were there any other characters? - You already mentioned the solicitor.
0:20:25 > 0:20:28- I'm sure you met - many characters along the way.
0:20:29 > 0:20:32- The people - of Botwnnog remember him.
0:20:32 > 0:20:36- There was a man in Solva...
0:20:36 > 0:20:41- ..who lived there half the year - and the rest of the year in America.
0:20:41 > 0:20:44- He was at the same school as Waldo.
0:20:46 > 0:20:51- Although his memory was failing, - he remembered Waldo.
0:20:51 > 0:20:53- He'd lived in America for years.
0:20:54 > 0:20:58- When you talk to an older person - whose memory is poor due to age...
0:20:58 > 0:21:01- ..they remember things - from long ago...
0:21:01 > 0:21:05- ..but can't remember - half an hour ago.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08- But he remembered his school days...
0:21:08 > 0:21:12- ..and talked a lot about Waldo - and the influence he had on him.
0:21:15 > 0:21:17- He's since passed away...
0:21:17 > 0:21:21- ..but his wife still comes - to events to do with Waldo.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23- There are plenty of those.
0:21:23 > 0:21:26- Even more nowadays.
0:21:26 > 0:21:31- You say people's attitude towards - him in Pembrokeshire has changed.
0:21:31 > 0:21:33- In what way?
0:21:36 > 0:21:40- Everyone I meet these days claims - to have been friends with him.
0:21:40 > 0:21:47- But I don't think they were - as fond of him then as they are now.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- Attitudes have changed.
0:21:52 > 0:21:56- Society's attitude - or people's attitude?
0:21:57 > 0:22:01- People these days - understand what he was trying to do.
0:22:01 > 0:22:03- He was ahead of his time.
0:22:04 > 0:22:06- He cycled and spent time gardening.
0:22:08 > 0:22:11- He went walking in shorts.
0:22:11 > 0:22:16- Nobody his age - went waking in shorts in those days.
0:22:16 > 0:22:20- I remember him going - to night school in Mynachlog Ddu...
0:22:20 > 0:22:23- ..when he lived in Milford Haven.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25- It was a long way to cycle.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- Clunderwen is 20 miles away...
0:22:28 > 0:22:31- ..and Mynachlog Ddu - is another six miles away.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- He'd call by on his way there.
0:22:34 > 0:22:37- He must've started out - in the afternoon...
0:22:37 > 0:22:41- ..to attend night classes - which lasted two hours...
0:22:41 > 0:22:44- ..and then cycled home.
0:22:44 > 0:22:48- The bike ride's over and Hefin Wyn - has written a book about it.
0:22:48 > 0:22:50- How do you fill your days now?
0:22:50 > 0:22:52- How do you fill your days now?- - There's plenty going on.
0:22:52 > 0:22:57- I'm currently on a course, - training to be a tour guide.
0:22:58 > 0:23:00- That takes up a lot of my time.
0:23:00 > 0:23:04- I read a lot, go on holiday - and cycle every day.
0:23:04 > 0:23:08- Cycling is a full-time job!
0:23:09 > 0:23:11- Thanks for joining me.
0:23:12 > 0:23:15- Safe journey home on the bike.
0:23:15 > 0:23:18- Thank you for keeping me company - on Cadw Cwmni.
0:23:19 > 0:23:21- Thank you for watching.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24- We'll be back next week - with more guests.
0:23:24 > 0:23:26- Until then, goodbye.
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