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0:00:19 > 0:00:23- In the equine world, some horses - are big and some are small.

0:00:23 > 0:00:27- In this programme, - Nia's with the shire horses...

0:00:27 > 0:00:29- ..and I'm with the Shetlands.

0:00:29 > 0:00:34- They may be petite, - but they are big in personality.

0:00:34 > 0:00:37- Welcome to Ceffylau Cymru.

0:00:38 > 0:00:42- This time, we're focusing - on the macro and the micro.

0:00:43 > 0:00:46- The tame and the mischievous, - the hard-working and the cautious.

0:00:47 > 0:00:50- The bold and the gentle, - from Gwynedd in the north...

0:00:50 > 0:00:52- ..to Moylegrove in the south.

0:00:53 > 0:00:58- Two extremes of the equine world - are the stars this week.

0:01:08 > 0:01:14- Dogs are intelligent, but nothing - is as intelligent as a horse.

0:01:14 > 0:01:19- I'm in awe - of how much manipulation there is...

0:01:19 > 0:01:23- ..when they want something - or don't want to do anything.

0:01:23 > 0:01:28- There's a feeling of freedom - when you're with them.

0:01:28 > 0:01:34- There's just you and them, - and it's always a wonderful feeling.

0:01:36 > 0:01:38- Our journey starts on Anglesey...

0:01:39 > 0:01:43- ..with a mother and daughter team, - Ann and Gwen Holland.

0:01:44 > 0:01:48- One team, but two studs, - Minmon and Llangeinwen.

0:01:49 > 0:01:52- Daughter Gwen - once focused on mountain ponies...

0:01:52 > 0:01:55- ..but Shetlands - have now stolen her heart.

0:02:02 > 0:02:05- Why did you decide - to buy a Shetland?

0:02:06 > 0:02:10- I've kept mountain ponies - for 20 years.

0:02:10 > 0:02:16- I've bred them, shown them - and had a lot of fun with them.

0:02:16 > 0:02:19- It's an interesting story, really.

0:02:22 > 0:02:26- There's a lot of politics - in the Welsh mountain pony world.

0:02:26 > 0:02:31- I tried to diversify a bit - at the Anglesey Show one year.

0:02:31 > 0:02:35- We entered a veteran class...

0:02:35 > 0:02:38- ..with a former Section A pony.

0:02:40 > 0:02:45- While waiting to go into the ring, - there were a lot of Shetlands about.

0:02:45 > 0:02:47- A lot of lovely-coloured ones.

0:02:47 > 0:02:50- I'd never really looked - at Shetlands before that.

0:02:51 > 0:02:53- But they were - so pretty and correct.

0:02:53 > 0:02:56- I remember - discussing them afterwards.

0:02:56 > 0:03:00- Anyway, later that year, - we went to Trawsfynydd Show.

0:03:00 > 0:03:04- I took a Welsh pony there.

0:03:04 > 0:03:06- She won the supreme championship.

0:03:07 > 0:03:10- After going home, the way you do...

0:03:10 > 0:03:14- ..you try to find out who was - judging at the show and so on.

0:03:14 > 0:03:17- I went on Facebook - to find out who it was.

0:03:17 > 0:03:22- I realized that he had - a big Shetland stud on the island.

0:03:22 > 0:03:27- I just saw a photo - of a little black and white pony.

0:03:27 > 0:03:29- I just thought, I must have her.

0:03:30 > 0:03:33- You run both studs - with your mother, Ann.

0:03:33 > 0:03:35- Do you work well together?

0:03:35 > 0:03:39- Yes, 95% of the time, - we work great together!

0:03:40 > 0:03:41- We have a lot of fun.

0:03:42 > 0:03:44- It's quite interesting.

0:03:45 > 0:03:49- Mam has more of an interest in - Section B, particularly geldings...

0:03:49 > 0:03:54- ..whereas I'm with Section A - mountain ponies, and now Shetlands.

0:03:54 > 0:03:57- It's nice - that we have different interests.

0:03:58 > 0:04:01- It's nice to go to shows - with one of your best friends.

0:04:01 > 0:04:04- Having a bit of fun - while you're at it.

0:04:04 > 0:04:06- It's not all - about winning and losing.

0:04:07 > 0:04:12- You need to enjoy it and stop - somewhere to eat on the way home.

0:04:12 > 0:04:16- Doing something different, - creating a story for every show.

0:04:19 > 0:04:22- Gwen's first Shetland - was Edern Cain.

0:04:22 > 0:04:26- She has already enjoyed - a lot of success.

0:04:26 > 0:04:31- A reserve championship and second in - Llanelwedd and the Anglesey Show...

0:04:32 > 0:04:36- ..and first place - at smaller shows across Wales.

0:04:37 > 0:04:39- What's so special about her?

0:04:39 > 0:04:43- I look at her - as I would any other horse.

0:04:43 > 0:04:45- She has a sweet head.

0:04:45 > 0:04:48- I look at the way she stands.

0:04:48 > 0:04:50- How she moves.

0:04:50 > 0:04:53- You're used to mountain ponies...

0:04:53 > 0:04:56- ..but you've clearly - taken a fancy to Shetlands now.

0:04:57 > 0:04:59- Do you deal with them differently?

0:05:00 > 0:05:02- They're quite similar, really.

0:05:03 > 0:05:06- The Shetlands I have - are fairly highly strung...

0:05:06 > 0:05:09- ..as are my Section As, - so they are similar.

0:05:09 > 0:05:11- These are much more mischievous.

0:05:12 > 0:05:17- If they don't want to be caught - on the field, they won't be.

0:05:17 > 0:05:19- It can be quite a performance.

0:05:19 > 0:05:21- As for showing them...

0:05:22 > 0:05:25- ..the main feature - is that their hair is much longer.

0:05:26 > 0:05:30- Their coat is made up of different - layers, especially in winter.

0:05:30 > 0:05:31- So, preparing them is difficult?

0:05:31 > 0:05:33- So, preparing them is difficult?- - Yes, extremely difficult.

0:05:34 > 0:05:37- The second Shetland Gwen bought - was Edern Cadog.

0:05:37 > 0:05:41- A small horse - with a big personality...

0:05:41 > 0:05:43- ..and very mischievous.

0:05:45 > 0:05:48- Cadog is full of love - and full of mischief.

0:05:49 > 0:05:52- He's quite a character, - and he makes me laugh a lot.

0:05:52 > 0:05:55- He bites a bit more - than I'd like...

0:05:55 > 0:06:00- ..but we are working on that, - so we'll see how he is.

0:06:00 > 0:06:04- But we're really pleased - with how he has developed.

0:06:04 > 0:06:07- People do tend to prefer - one over the other.

0:06:07 > 0:06:11- For me, it's Cain every time, - but lots of people prefer Cadog.

0:06:12 > 0:06:13- That's interesting.

0:06:14 > 0:06:18- They're extremely similar, - but there are a few differences.

0:06:18 > 0:06:20- I can pinpoint one thing.

0:06:20 > 0:06:26- I thought his markings - would do better in colour classes...

0:06:27 > 0:06:29- ..because both sides - are fairly similar.

0:06:30 > 0:06:34- But she has done better, despite - both sides being nothing alike.

0:06:34 > 0:06:35- You can never tell.

0:06:35 > 0:06:37- It's a matter of judges' own tastes.

0:06:37 > 0:06:39- It's a matter of judges' own tastes.- - A judge's taste, exactly.

0:06:45 > 0:06:49- The Shetlands have made me feel - like I did when I was ten.

0:06:49 > 0:06:54- When I got Augusta, my first pony, - I lost my head completely.

0:06:54 > 0:06:58- The same happened when Atlanta, - her daughter, was born.

0:06:58 > 0:07:00- It was just the best feeling ever.

0:07:00 > 0:07:02- Nothing else mattered.

0:07:02 > 0:07:06- When Cain came along, - and I started to show her...

0:07:06 > 0:07:10- ..I look forward to coming home - from work and seeing them.

0:07:10 > 0:07:13- That's something you lose - as you get older.

0:07:13 > 0:07:18- You even have fun - when mucking out the Shetlands.

0:07:18 > 0:07:21- They try to bite everything, - tip everything over.

0:07:22 > 0:07:25- You put them out on the field - and they refuse to be caught.

0:07:25 > 0:07:28- You spend half the time laughing.

0:07:28 > 0:07:31- What happens at a show - soon becomes much less important.

0:07:34 > 0:07:37- As well as seeing him at home...

0:07:37 > 0:07:41- ..we caught up with Cadog - competing at Trawsfynydd Show.

0:07:47 > 0:07:49- I've competed here - since I was twelve.

0:07:49 > 0:07:53- I used to compete - with mountain ponies.

0:07:53 > 0:07:57- I stopped coming here - when I went away to university.

0:07:57 > 0:08:00- I started coming again - five years ago.

0:08:01 > 0:08:06- Two years ago, I won - the supreme championship here...

0:08:06 > 0:08:11- ..with a mountain pony, - Rhydyllech Golden Sundae.

0:08:11 > 0:08:14- Last year, I was a judge here.

0:08:14 > 0:08:19- It's one of those places - that are very close to my heart.

0:08:19 > 0:08:22- It's the Shetland's first time here.

0:08:24 > 0:08:26- Don't. Don't!

0:08:27 > 0:08:29- Don't bite!

0:08:30 > 0:08:33- Don't! You don't want - hoof oil in your mouth.

0:08:36 > 0:08:39- He's a yearling colt, - so I don't expect much difference...

0:08:39 > 0:08:44- ..between him - and a yearling pony or cob.

0:08:44 > 0:08:46- They're naughty at that age.

0:08:46 > 0:08:50- By the time he's two, - I hope he'll be better behaved.

0:08:50 > 0:08:54- But he probably won't be great - until he's four.

0:08:56 > 0:08:57- Don't break everything!

0:08:58 > 0:09:00- Are you being naughty?

0:09:00 > 0:09:03- Are you being naughty?- - I'd say he is, Gwen.

0:09:03 > 0:09:06- You're playing up - in front of people!

0:09:08 > 0:09:10- Don't even think of escaping!

0:09:11 > 0:09:14- He loves escaping - every chance he gets!

0:09:15 > 0:09:18- And he's the right size - to do it as well.

0:09:21 > 0:09:24- We need eyes - in the back of our heads.

0:09:28 > 0:09:31- This is a dangerous time. - He likes to take chunks of hair.

0:09:35 > 0:09:38- His name's Cadog, - but we call him King Cadoogie!

0:09:40 > 0:09:43- And a few other things - when he bites.

0:09:43 > 0:09:45- I call him Crocodile.

0:09:49 > 0:09:50- Don't bite.

0:09:51 > 0:09:53- Television or not, - you'll get a slap.

0:10:00 > 0:10:02- Cadog is almost ready.

0:10:02 > 0:10:05- All that's left - is to rein in his excitement.

0:10:05 > 0:10:06- Don't bite!

0:10:07 > 0:10:13- Gwen will show him in the class - for colts and fillies under three.

0:10:13 > 0:10:16- Ann is on hand to commentate.

0:10:16 > 0:10:20- They've brought them out - and are leading them around.

0:10:21 > 0:10:26- The judge is looking at them again, - and he's picked out the skewbald.

0:10:27 > 0:10:29- Cadog has been picked out as well.

0:10:30 > 0:10:33- He clearly impressed the judges - as he was walking around.

0:10:34 > 0:10:37- He's up to second place, - and I'm sure Gwen will be pleased.

0:10:38 > 0:10:41- She'll know that it's not - down to his conformation.

0:10:42 > 0:10:45- He's in second place - because of his behaviour.

0:10:46 > 0:10:50- Cadog was a bit of a naughty boy, - so he only deserved second place.

0:10:51 > 0:10:52- It's a shame, but so be it.

0:10:53 > 0:10:55- He does really well when he behaves.

0:10:55 > 0:10:57- When he doesn't, - that's what happens.

0:10:58 > 0:11:00- I'm OK. I'm happy enough.

0:11:02 > 0:11:07- I enjoy local shows - as much as the national shows.

0:11:07 > 0:11:09- All contests are competitive.

0:11:09 > 0:11:13- You can't predict the standard - at any show.

0:11:13 > 0:11:18- Smaller shows will sometimes have - more entries and higher standards.

0:11:18 > 0:11:22- But I enjoy them all. - A competition is a competition.

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0:11:37 > 0:11:41- There are some 4,000 tigers - and 5,000 black rhinos in the world.

0:11:41 > 0:11:44- But there are only - about 1,500 shire horses.

0:11:44 > 0:11:48- Four of them are here, - in Pembrokeshire.

0:11:51 > 0:11:55- At the turn of the last century, - before the Second World War...

0:11:56 > 0:12:00- ..there were over a million - shire horses in Britain alone.

0:12:00 > 0:12:03- But things changed - with the onset of the tractor.

0:12:03 > 0:12:07- During the 1960s, thousands - were killed for their meat.

0:12:07 > 0:12:10- Numbers are now slowly increasing...

0:12:10 > 0:12:15- ..thanks to enthusiasts like John - Fletcher and his daughter, Stacy.

0:12:15 > 0:12:20- She competes across the country - with her horse Black Velvet, or BV.

0:12:20 > 0:12:25- All the practice and preparation - happens here, at Penrallt Uchaf.

0:12:26 > 0:12:30- This year, you competed - at the Horse Of The Year Show.

0:12:30 > 0:12:32- Tell me about that.

0:12:32 > 0:12:34- It was nerve-racking, really.

0:12:34 > 0:12:38- I'd never been there - either to watch or to compete.

0:12:38 > 0:12:40- I won a qualifier - at my first attempt.

0:12:41 > 0:12:44- We went there - and tried to enjoy it.

0:12:44 > 0:12:47- It was difficult, - because I was so nervous.

0:12:47 > 0:12:50- BV went well, - and I was happy with seventh.

0:12:50 > 0:12:52- Is that a fairly new event at HOYS?

0:12:52 > 0:12:54- Is that a fairly new event at HOYS?- - Yes, that was the first time.

0:12:55 > 0:12:58- I'm sure it'll go - from strength to strength.

0:12:59 > 0:13:03- Is riding a shire horse - different to riding other horses?

0:13:03 > 0:13:06- It's more slow-motion, maybe.

0:13:06 > 0:13:10- There's less chance - of falling off one of the big ones.

0:13:10 > 0:13:11- They have so much power.

0:13:12 > 0:13:13- I can't describe it, really.

0:13:14 > 0:13:16- There's so much horse beneath you.

0:13:16 > 0:13:18- It feels completely different.

0:13:19 > 0:13:23- Do you do anything with the horses - apart from riding them?

0:13:23 > 0:13:29- I often help Dad with show - demonstrations or tugs of war.

0:13:29 > 0:13:31- We take carts out, we do weddings.

0:13:32 > 0:13:35- We plough, we do funerals. - Lots of events.

0:13:36 > 0:13:39- So there's a variety of activities - you can do with them.

0:13:39 > 0:13:42- We try to demonstrate - that they can do anything.

0:13:43 > 0:13:46- What happens during any year?

0:13:47 > 0:13:49- It usually starts with ploughing.

0:13:49 > 0:13:51- Dad goes out to compete locally.

0:13:52 > 0:13:56- In March, it's the National - Shire Horse Show up in Stafford.

0:13:56 > 0:13:59- That's a great show - for us as a family.

0:13:59 > 0:14:01- Then, more shows and weddings...

0:14:01 > 0:14:05- ..and back to ploughing again - in the autumn.

0:14:05 > 0:14:09- Do you look forward to competing - in the show in March?

0:14:09 > 0:14:13- It's the highlight of the year - for me, Dad and my cousin, Hayley.

0:14:14 > 0:14:16- We really enjoy competing there.

0:14:17 > 0:14:20- The best of the best compete there.

0:14:23 > 0:14:24- John is the boss.

0:14:25 > 0:14:29- He focuses on driving carts - for wedding and funerals.

0:14:30 > 0:14:34- He's also an old hand at ploughing - with these gentle giants.

0:14:36 > 0:14:41- I get a lot of enjoyment - working with these horses every day.

0:14:41 > 0:14:46- Over the years, I've had - lots of memorable experiences.

0:14:47 > 0:14:49- But the ones that stand out...

0:14:49 > 0:14:54- ..are winning - the Welsh Ploughing Championship...

0:14:54 > 0:15:00- ..being chosen to represent Wales - at the European Championships...

0:15:00 > 0:15:04- ..and one of the weddings - that stands out...

0:15:04 > 0:15:08- ..was Cerys Matthews's wedding - in Cardiff.

0:15:09 > 0:15:13- I'm sure your father is happy - to see you taking an interest...

0:15:13 > 0:15:16- ..and taking part - in more modern activities.

0:15:16 > 0:15:19- I think he enjoys - watching me compete with BV.

0:15:19 > 0:15:23- He cries a lot when we do compete!

0:15:23 > 0:15:27- It's nice for him to see - one of his horses doing well.

0:15:27 > 0:15:28- What's he like as a boss?

0:15:28 > 0:15:29- What's he like as a boss?- - He's OK.

0:15:30 > 0:15:32- The older I get, - the more he listens to me.

0:15:33 > 0:15:36- We used to argue a lot, - but it's getting better.

0:15:36 > 0:15:39- We do work quite well together.

0:15:40 > 0:15:42- The shire horses - are a family business.

0:15:43 > 0:15:46- John's granddaughters - help from time to time...

0:15:47 > 0:15:50- ..including the youngest, Maia.

0:15:52 > 0:15:54- Do you enjoy riding, Maia?

0:15:54 > 0:15:55- Do you enjoy riding, Maia?- - Yes.

0:15:55 > 0:15:56- Even the big horses?

0:15:56 > 0:15:57- Even the big horses?- - Yes.

0:15:58 > 0:16:00- Isn't he a bit too big for you?

0:16:00 > 0:16:01- Isn't he a bit too big for you?- - No.

0:16:02 > 0:16:03- Not at all?

0:16:03 > 0:16:04- Not at all?- - No.

0:16:19 > 0:16:21- Stacy, the original plan...

0:16:22 > 0:16:25- ..was to follow you - to the show in Stafford.

0:16:25 > 0:16:27- Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

0:16:28 > 0:16:31- Sadly, a few days before the show, - BV fell ill with a virus.

0:16:31 > 0:16:35- We decided to keep all the horses - at home until she was better.

0:16:36 > 0:16:38- Why did you withdraw all the horses?

0:16:38 > 0:16:40- Why did you withdraw all the horses?- - We weren't sure what was wrong.

0:16:41 > 0:16:46- We decided not to risk taking them - such a long way from home.

0:16:47 > 0:16:48- Is she better now?

0:16:48 > 0:16:49- Is she better now?- - She's recovering slowly.

0:16:50 > 0:16:55- It was an important event for you - because it was a HOYS qualifier.

0:16:55 > 0:16:57- We've missed the first qualifier...

0:16:58 > 0:17:02- ..but we hope to compete at the - Three Counties or Cheshire in June.

0:17:02 > 0:17:05- Good luck to you. - I hope you win next time.

0:17:11 > 0:17:15- Despite Stacy's disappointment, - life goes on.

0:17:16 > 0:17:20- There's lots of training to do - in the fields and the arena.

0:17:20 > 0:17:23- John is an expert ploughman.

0:17:23 > 0:17:28- But the harrow is a good way - to train the young horse, Jack.

0:17:33 > 0:17:36- What is the purpose of harrowing?

0:17:36 > 0:17:42- It breaks up old pasture, - but we use it to train horses.

0:17:42 > 0:17:46- We start off with a single horse - and a small harrow...

0:17:46 > 0:17:50- ..and work up to this heavy harrow - when they're older and stronger.

0:17:50 > 0:17:54- How long does it take - to train a horse to this standard?

0:17:54 > 0:17:56- Every horse is different.

0:17:56 > 0:18:01- It's easier if they're younger - and they've seen a lot at shows.

0:18:01 > 0:18:06- It they're older, it takes longer - to show them everything.

0:18:06 > 0:18:09- Anything from a month to a year.

0:18:09 > 0:18:13- How does this training - help prepare for weddings?

0:18:13 > 0:18:16- Practising here with Dad - is important.

0:18:16 > 0:18:18- They might have to walk on a bit...

0:18:18 > 0:18:21- ..then stand still - for ten minutes, maybe...

0:18:22 > 0:18:23- ..then move on again.

0:18:23 > 0:18:26- It teaches them good manners.

0:18:26 > 0:18:30- They have to listen to Dad, - not do what they want to do.

0:18:31 > 0:18:33- Is cornering - as complicated as it looks?

0:18:34 > 0:18:35- Dad works a lot on this.

0:18:36 > 0:18:40- When he goes ploughing, and he has - to turn at the end of a furrow...

0:18:40 > 0:18:41- ..space is at a premium.

0:18:42 > 0:18:45- Being able to walk - with their legs crossing is vital.

0:18:45 > 0:18:47- Can you do this work too?

0:18:47 > 0:18:52- I can, but they usually behave - a lot better for Dad than for me.

0:18:52 > 0:18:54- A bit more practice, perhaps?

0:18:54 > 0:18:56- Maybe, if Dad lets me.

0:19:02 > 0:19:04- Whoa!

0:19:13 > 0:19:15- As well as the shire horses...

0:19:15 > 0:19:19- ..John loves buying, selling - and restoring carriages...

0:19:19 > 0:19:21- ..and old farm equipment.

0:19:24 > 0:19:26- Stacy, these carriages are superb.

0:19:26 > 0:19:29- Tell us a little about them.

0:19:29 > 0:19:31- OK, this is a glass landau.

0:19:32 > 0:19:36- It was made in Poland, - especially for us.

0:19:36 > 0:19:39- It's a lot bigger, - designed for use by shire horses.

0:19:40 > 0:19:44- They're usually only this high, - but this one is really big.

0:19:44 > 0:19:45- What is this used for?

0:19:46 > 0:19:47- This is for weddings.

0:19:47 > 0:19:50- This is for weddings.- - It looks very fancy.

0:19:51 > 0:19:53- Why did you need a bigger one?

0:19:53 > 0:19:59- The horses would look too big - drawing a traditional carriage.

0:19:59 > 0:20:02- This way, - everything is in proportion.

0:20:02 > 0:20:04- What about this one?

0:20:04 > 0:20:05- This is a brewery dray.

0:20:06 > 0:20:09- It was made circa 1905, I think.

0:20:09 > 0:20:14- The Newcastle Brewery used it - to deliver beer locally up there.

0:20:14 > 0:20:16- And what's that other cart?

0:20:16 > 0:20:18- And what's that other cart?- - It's a Shropshire boat wagon.

0:20:19 > 0:20:20- It's more like a hay wagon.

0:20:21 > 0:20:23- That was made in the early 1900s.

0:20:23 > 0:20:26- We use it for shows - and demonstrations.

0:20:26 > 0:20:28- It's a traditional wagon.

0:20:29 > 0:20:31- They must be great to see at a show.

0:20:31 > 0:20:35- It does look really good - when it's drawn by a pair of horses.

0:20:35 > 0:20:38- It really catches the eye.

0:20:40 > 0:20:42- Clearly, Dad looks after these.

0:20:42 > 0:20:44- Clearly, Dad looks after these.- - Yes, they're his pride and joy.

0:20:45 > 0:20:48- There are many ploughs - in the shed as well.

0:20:48 > 0:20:53- Dad ploughs often in the autumn...

0:20:54 > 0:20:56- ..and also in the spring.

0:20:56 > 0:20:59- He competes over Wales and Britain.

0:20:59 > 0:21:03- It's a wonder that he finds the time - to do all that he does.

0:21:03 > 0:21:06- Ploughing is hard work - but at the end of the day...

0:21:06 > 0:21:10- ..it gives him great pleasure - to see what he has done.

0:21:10 > 0:21:15- Unfortunately, it's a dying art, - but Dad tries to keep it going.

0:21:15 > 0:21:18- Anyone who has a go - while he's ploughing...

0:21:18 > 0:21:20- ..soon finds out how hard it is.

0:21:20 > 0:21:22- Have you ever tried?

0:21:22 > 0:21:24- Have you ever tried?- - No, it's too difficult for me!

0:21:29 > 0:21:34- Stacy, I hear that you train - the horses in a particular spot.

0:21:34 > 0:21:39- We often go down to Poppit Sands, - a local beach, to train them.

0:21:39 > 0:21:41- Is there a reason for that?

0:21:41 > 0:21:45- It helps with their legs, - because it cleans the feathers.

0:21:45 > 0:21:47- They also enjoy it there.

0:22:06 > 0:22:08- They mean a lot to me.

0:22:08 > 0:22:13- I spend a lot of time with them, - and I really enjoy shire horses.

0:22:13 > 0:22:16- They may be giants, - but they're also gentle.

0:22:16 > 0:22:22- Do shire horses stand out - a lot more than other horses?

0:22:22 > 0:22:23- Definitely.

0:22:23 > 0:22:27- You think they're so strong, - but they're so nice.

0:22:27 > 0:22:30- Whatever you do, - they'll help you out.

0:22:30 > 0:22:32- They're gentle giants.

0:22:46 > 0:22:52- Horses have played a part in my life - since I was very young.

0:22:53 > 0:22:58- I get a lot of pleasure - keeping and working shire horses.

0:22:58 > 0:23:01- But I also get pleasure...

0:23:01 > 0:23:04- ..watching others - enjoying their company.

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