Tom Evans, Gwanas

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0:00:19 > 0:00:24- I'm making my way up from one of - Wales's most well-known valleys...

0:00:25 > 0:00:27- ..Cwm Hafod Oer in Meirionnydd.

0:00:27 > 0:00:30- I'm on my way to Gwanas Farm.

0:00:31 > 0:00:33- Tom Gwanas's name...

0:00:33 > 0:00:37- ..and indeed the name Gwanas itself - is familiar to everyone.

0:00:37 > 0:00:40- I'm looking forward - to seeing these hills.

0:00:41 > 0:00:45- Tom and his brother Trebor - tell me they've worked hard here.

0:00:46 > 0:00:49- # CAN YR ARAD GOCH # - Piano Introduction

0:00:50 > 0:00:55- # If you'd like to know - how a man like me lives,

0:00:57 > 0:01:03- # From my father, - I learned mankind's first craft,

0:01:06 > 0:01:11- # I learned how to turn a bog - into a fertile green meadow,

0:01:11 > 0:01:17- # To turn a bare wilderness - into green earth. #

0:01:19 > 0:01:21- The enchanting voice of Tom Gwanas.

0:01:22 > 0:01:25- This voice has won two Blue Ribands.

0:01:25 > 0:01:29- Tom has lived at Gwanas Farm - in Meirionnydd all his life.

0:01:30 > 0:01:32- His family is very musical...

0:01:32 > 0:01:36- ..and it has also produced - excellent hill farmers.

0:01:36 > 0:01:42- # I follow the red plough - on the great mountain. #

0:01:42 > 0:01:46- # But the ancient language - still lives on,

0:01:46 > 0:01:51- # And the ancient songs endure,

0:01:52 > 0:01:59- # But the ancient language - still lives on. #

0:02:03 > 0:02:06- Dic Pennal always said, - when we passed this way...

0:02:07 > 0:02:09- .."Old Gwanas is a big place."

0:02:09 > 0:02:13- He was right, too. - What a place you've got here!

0:02:13 > 0:02:17- I don't have many fields lower down, - mind you.

0:02:17 > 0:02:18- Most of them are up here.

0:02:18 > 0:02:19- Most of them are up here.- - How far up do you go?

0:02:19 > 0:02:21- How far up do you go?

0:02:21 > 0:02:24- Right up to the summit.

0:02:24 > 0:02:28- There's a dip - like a small valley over there.

0:02:28 > 0:02:31- Yes. That part's called - Ceunant y Gigfran.

0:02:31 > 0:02:35- You don't do any lambing - up here do you?

0:02:35 > 0:02:38- Oh, yes. - Lambing takes place up here.

0:02:38 > 0:02:40- That's where a bike comes in handy.

0:02:40 > 0:02:41- That's where a bike comes in handy.- - You've got sheep up here...

0:02:41 > 0:02:42- You've got sheep up here...

0:02:42 > 0:02:44- ..and I've seen cattle too.

0:02:45 > 0:02:45- You graze cattle up here too.

0:02:45 > 0:02:47- You graze cattle up here too.- - Yes, they come up here.

0:02:47 > 0:02:48- Yes, they come up here.

0:02:48 > 0:02:52- It's time for them to go in though. - It's wet.

0:02:53 > 0:02:56- This old soil has endured very well.

0:02:56 > 0:02:57- Yes.

0:02:58 > 0:03:02- It's difficult for you - to improve the soil on the slopes...

0:03:02 > 0:03:06- ..but there are some - nice green spots in places.

0:03:06 > 0:03:11- A year ago, I got a helicopter - to spray the bracken.

0:03:11 > 0:03:12- It did a very good job.

0:03:12 > 0:03:14- It did a very good job.- - Expensive, though...

0:03:14 > 0:03:14- It did a very good job.

0:03:14 > 0:03:14- ..but what else can you do?

0:03:14 > 0:03:16- ..but what else can you do?

0:03:16 > 0:03:20- There'd be nothing for animals - to eat otherwise.

0:03:20 > 0:03:23- Is this where your roots are?

0:03:23 > 0:03:27- Didn't your father - come from Cwm Hafod Oer?

0:03:27 > 0:03:29- Yes, lower down there.

0:03:29 > 0:03:30- What about your mother?

0:03:30 > 0:03:30- What about your mother?- - She came from just over the ridge.

0:03:30 > 0:03:32- She came from just over the ridge.

0:03:33 > 0:03:35- Looking for shelter, was she?!

0:03:35 > 0:03:39- There was a well-worn path here - before they married!

0:03:40 > 0:03:45- I can't think of a bleaker name - than Cwm Hafod Oer.

0:03:46 > 0:03:49- This valley is very bare.

0:03:49 > 0:03:51- There aren't many trees.

0:03:51 > 0:03:52- Very few trees.

0:03:53 > 0:03:55- That's how it's always been.

0:03:55 > 0:03:58- But there are some trees - growing here now.

0:03:58 > 0:04:00- How far does your land extend?

0:04:00 > 0:04:01- How far does your land extend?- - As far as the Dinas road...

0:04:01 > 0:04:02- As far as the Dinas road...

0:04:02 > 0:04:05- ..up to Pen y Bwlch.

0:04:06 > 0:04:10- You live between Bwlch yr Oerddrws - and Cwm Hafod Oer...

0:04:10 > 0:04:12- ..you need two overcoats!

0:04:14 > 0:04:15- And thermals!

0:04:18 > 0:04:22- This is the first time - I've seen this view.

0:04:23 > 0:04:26- It's a lovely view, isn't it?

0:04:26 > 0:04:28- Do these fields have names?

0:04:28 > 0:04:32- I sincerely hope people don't forget - the Welsh names given to fields.

0:04:33 > 0:04:35- Yes. Sons should be told.

0:04:35 > 0:04:39- It's so important. - Names are better than numbers.

0:04:39 > 0:04:43- I know the names - of most of these fields.

0:04:43 > 0:04:45- That's Foel Caerynwch over there.

0:04:46 > 0:04:50- The small house down there - is called Tyddyn Llwyn.

0:04:52 > 0:04:56- It's amazing how much land - there is up here.

0:04:56 > 0:04:58- Did farmers work together up here?

0:04:58 > 0:04:58- Did farmers work together up here?- - Yes, we used to help each other.

0:04:58 > 0:05:01- Yes, we used to help each other.

0:05:02 > 0:05:04- Shearing was done at Gwanas.

0:05:04 > 0:05:07- Sheep had to brought over - from Mynydd Bylan.

0:05:07 > 0:05:14- We had to walk up the moors - all the way to the top.

0:05:15 > 0:05:18- That's not the best land - for walking!

0:05:18 > 0:05:21- Walking in those conditions - is exhausting.

0:05:21 > 0:05:25- Do you have any land - on the other side?

0:05:25 > 0:05:27- Not much.

0:05:27 > 0:05:31- There's Mynydd Bylan, Mynydd - Tyddyn Du, Mynydd Hafod Oer...

0:05:31 > 0:05:35- ..and Mynydd Cefn Naw Clawdd, - in the distance.

0:05:36 > 0:05:41- An outsider would be amazed that - you can remember all the names...

0:05:41 > 0:05:44- ..but they're a part of you.

0:05:53 > 0:05:56- Moments like these - can stir your blood.

0:05:57 > 0:06:02- Tom is fortunate to have a son, - Geraint, to follow him.

0:06:02 > 0:06:06- He likes sheep but he's particularly - interested in cattle.

0:06:06 > 0:06:10- This is a fairly new breed - - the Stabiliser.

0:06:21 > 0:06:24- The weather's very changeable, - isn't it?

0:06:24 > 0:06:26- What's this Stabiliser breed?

0:06:26 > 0:06:31- They must be quite hardy, - or you wouldn't be keeping them.

0:06:31 > 0:06:33- It's cold here in winter.

0:06:34 > 0:06:38- The Stabiliser - is made up of four breeds.

0:06:39 > 0:06:44- Two of the breeds are British - and the other two are Continental.

0:06:46 > 0:06:48- Is there any Aberdeen in them?

0:06:48 > 0:06:49- Is there any Aberdeen in them?- - Yes.

0:06:49 > 0:06:50- Yes.

0:06:50 > 0:06:53- Hereford and Angus - are the British breeds.

0:06:54 > 0:06:58- The Continental breeds - are Gelbvieh and Simmental.

0:07:00 > 0:07:04- Maybe you won't get a Lim's backside - with them...

0:07:04 > 0:07:09- ..but they have a good width - and good sides - a decent size.

0:07:10 > 0:07:15- Their backs are wider, and that's - where the most expensive meat is.

0:07:15 > 0:07:18- Would you say they're best - for producing dams...

0:07:19 > 0:07:23- ..where you don't need a cow - with too much milk?

0:07:23 > 0:07:27- Yes, that's the idea - - to produce a breeding cow.

0:07:27 > 0:07:33- It seems that your ideas are coming - to the fore here at Gwanas.

0:07:33 > 0:07:37- Is this what you intend to do? - Keep suckler cattle?

0:07:37 > 0:07:40- Yes. The problem is - Dad's getting slower...

0:07:40 > 0:07:44- ..and he can't run after Limousins - these days!

0:07:46 > 0:07:49- Stabiliser cows and calves - are a lot more tame.

0:07:50 > 0:07:50- You've noticed that, have you?

0:07:50 > 0:07:52- You've noticed that, have you?- - Yes. They're easier to manage.

0:07:52 > 0:07:53- Yes. They're easier to manage.

0:08:03 > 0:08:06- We heard Tom - singing Ceiriog's lyrics...

0:08:06 > 0:08:09- .."From my father - I learned mankind's first craft."

0:08:10 > 0:08:14- One of those crafts - is building dry stone walls.

0:08:14 > 0:08:18- These farms wouldn't be the same - without them.

0:08:21 > 0:08:25- Many generations of his family - have been building these walls.

0:08:25 > 0:08:29- Tom himself - has been doing it for years.

0:08:34 > 0:08:38- Placing poles in a stone wall - is a tricky job.

0:08:38 > 0:08:41- It's difficult to get them in - firmly.

0:08:42 > 0:08:45- Big stones - force your poles out of line.

0:08:45 > 0:08:50- It's amazing how much shelter - these walls provide for young lambs.

0:08:50 > 0:08:51- They like these stone walls.

0:08:51 > 0:08:53- They like these stone walls.- - At lambing time...

0:08:53 > 0:08:53- They like these stone walls.

0:08:54 > 0:08:57- ..you should see all the sheep - gathered here.

0:08:59 > 0:09:00- That's a good wall.

0:09:01 > 0:09:04- Are you with the Tir Gofal scheme?

0:09:04 > 0:09:05- You've put up conservation fences.

0:09:05 > 0:09:07- You've put up conservation fences.- - Yes.

0:09:07 > 0:09:07- Yes.

0:09:08 > 0:09:11- You imagine you provide shelter - with stone walls...

0:09:11 > 0:09:13- ..but these stones are cold.

0:09:13 > 0:09:13- ..but these stones are cold.- - They're fine when they've warmed up.

0:09:13 > 0:09:15- They're fine when they've warmed up.

0:09:15 > 0:09:20- You've got lots of cattle, - and they're doing well.

0:09:20 > 0:09:24- Down to feed once a day, - then up the hill again?

0:09:25 > 0:09:29- Yes, they're fed once a day - at the moment.

0:09:29 > 0:09:33- What would we do without silage - and big bales?

0:09:33 > 0:09:35- They're a blessing.

0:09:35 > 0:09:39- It would be difficult - to produce enough hay for all these.

0:09:40 > 0:09:42- The summers are so dry.

0:09:44 > 0:09:47- Years ago, there were cowsheds - around the place...

0:09:47 > 0:09:50- ..one down there and one over there.

0:09:51 > 0:09:54- Hay had to be carried - to those cowsheds.

0:09:54 > 0:09:59- You must have spent all day - going round the cowsheds!

0:09:59 > 0:10:01- We've got bikes nowadays.

0:10:01 > 0:10:04- They have four legs - - we've only got two.

0:10:06 > 0:10:09- When I look down - from the mountain...

0:10:09 > 0:10:13- ..I see traffic moving between - Machynlleth and Dolgellau...

0:10:13 > 0:10:15- ..and from Dinas.

0:10:15 > 0:10:19- It's a busy spot - to keep cattle and sheep.

0:10:19 > 0:10:19- Yes, it's difficult.

0:10:19 > 0:10:20- Yes, it's difficult.- - You're on a crossroads.

0:10:20 > 0:10:21- You're on a crossroads.

0:10:21 > 0:10:23- I lost a dog recently.

0:10:24 > 0:10:27- A car hit it on the road.

0:10:27 > 0:10:29- You can't afford to lose a good dog.

0:10:29 > 0:10:31- You can't afford to lose a good dog.- - No.

0:10:31 > 0:10:31- No.

0:10:33 > 0:10:36- Have you finished with this wall - for today?

0:10:36 > 0:10:38- Yes, I've finished.

0:10:39 > 0:10:45- # Beside the lake, - beneath the boughs,

0:10:46 > 0:10:52- # So long ago,

0:10:52 > 0:10:59- # There, watching the waves moving

0:11:00 > 0:11:08- # Back and forth.

0:11:11 > 0:11:18- # I remember one - so gentle and charming,

0:11:18 > 0:11:24- # My foolish heart,

0:11:25 > 0:11:30- # Then came cold autumn, - So long ago. #

0:11:31 > 0:11:33- Don't break it... there.

0:11:37 > 0:11:40- You're doing a good job here, Tom.

0:11:41 > 0:11:43- Extending the space for feeding.

0:11:43 > 0:11:44- Extending the space for feeding.- - The concrete has set well.

0:11:44 > 0:11:45- The concrete has set well.

0:11:45 > 0:11:47- Yes. It was muddy.

0:11:47 > 0:11:49- Concrete's easier to keep clean.

0:11:51 > 0:11:55- Was it ready-mixed, - or did you mix it?

0:11:55 > 0:11:59- We mixed it. We get the gravel - from a local quarry.

0:12:00 > 0:12:01- It's a good building.

0:12:02 > 0:12:05- It's healthy too. - The cows won't catch pneumonia.

0:12:06 > 0:12:07- Yes, it's healthy.

0:12:08 > 0:12:11- I like that thing - for flattening concrete.

0:12:11 > 0:12:13- Oh, yes.

0:12:13 > 0:12:16- You're like me - - you don't like bending over.

0:12:16 > 0:12:20- It's a hell of a job - when you have to kneel.

0:12:21 > 0:12:24- I'm at Gwanas - and I'm reminded of that song...

0:12:25 > 0:12:27- ..'Wrth Fynd Efo Deio I Dywyn'.

0:12:27 > 0:12:30- You're mentioned in that song.

0:12:30 > 0:12:31- That's right.

0:12:31 > 0:12:32- How does it go?

0:12:32 > 0:12:33- How does it go?- - "Bread and cheese...

0:12:33 > 0:12:34- "Bread and cheese...

0:12:34 > 0:12:35- "..and tea at Gwanas."

0:12:35 > 0:12:37- "..and tea at Gwanas."- - You need bread and cheese...

0:12:37 > 0:12:37- "..and tea at Gwanas."

0:12:37 > 0:12:38- ..doing a job like this!

0:12:38 > 0:12:40- ..doing a job like this!- - Was that a hint?!

0:12:40 > 0:12:40- ..doing a job like this!

0:12:42 > 0:12:48- # On we went, past Dinas, - Tra la la la la la la la la la la,

0:12:48 > 0:12:54- # We had bread and cheese at Gwanas, - Tra la la la la la la la la la la,

0:12:54 > 0:13:00- # Through Talyllyn we went directly, - Tra la la la la la la la la,

0:13:01 > 0:13:09- # When I went with Deio to Tywyn, - Tra la la la la la la la la la la. #

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0:13:25 > 0:13:29- November 2006 was a historic time - for the family.

0:13:29 > 0:13:34- Nia and Geraint moved in - with their children, Robin and Meg.

0:13:38 > 0:13:41- The fun of moving - delighted the children.

0:13:42 > 0:13:45- Make sure all the books are there!

0:13:46 > 0:13:48- Of course...

0:13:48 > 0:13:52- ..this young family remembers - moving in here, many years ago.

0:13:53 > 0:13:57- The sweet face of Glesni - who died in tragic circumstances.

0:14:02 > 0:14:04- Will you help me?

0:14:04 > 0:14:09- I'll try. Don't give me anything - valuable in case I drop it!

0:14:10 > 0:14:11- Let's start with this.

0:14:11 > 0:14:11- Let's start with this.- - That's a good picture...

0:14:11 > 0:14:13- That's a good picture...

0:14:13 > 0:14:14- ..cattle on the mountain.

0:14:14 > 0:14:15- ..cattle on the mountain.- - With Cader Idris in the background.

0:14:15 > 0:14:16- With Cader Idris in the background.

0:14:17 > 0:14:18- Shall I put them in here?

0:14:18 > 0:14:20- Shall I put them in here?- - That's right.

0:14:20 > 0:14:20- Shall I put them in here?

0:14:20 > 0:14:20- Pack them like this.

0:14:20 > 0:14:22- Pack them like this.

0:14:23 > 0:14:24- That's the way.

0:14:24 > 0:14:27- I'm leaving this here. - It's Geraint's.

0:14:28 > 0:14:29- He won it.

0:14:30 > 0:14:31- An environmental award.

0:14:32 > 0:14:34- That's a picture of Glesni.

0:14:34 > 0:14:39- We were unfortunate to lose Glesni - while she was away travelling.

0:14:39 > 0:14:42- She died in Bangkok 15 years ago.

0:14:42 > 0:14:44- Moving is quite a job.

0:14:44 > 0:14:46- Yes, it is.

0:14:46 > 0:14:49- Here's a rare item - I've never seen before.

0:14:49 > 0:14:52- Everyone who's won - the Blue Riband twice.

0:14:53 > 0:14:58- Not many have managed it. - One, two, three, four, five, six.

0:14:58 > 0:15:01- Two... three of them - are from Meirionnydd.

0:15:01 > 0:15:02- That's right. I'd noticed that.

0:15:02 > 0:15:03- That's right. I'd noticed that.- - Wil Prysor, Tom and Dic.

0:15:03 > 0:15:05- Wil Prysor, Tom and Dic.

0:15:05 > 0:15:06- Three bassists.

0:15:06 > 0:15:09- Bob Bach was a character, too.

0:15:09 > 0:15:12- There's a lot - of talent in Meirionnydd.

0:15:12 > 0:15:15- They're big singers - to look at - tall.

0:15:16 > 0:15:18- Here's his latest certificate.

0:15:18 > 0:15:20- The Blue Riband in Pembrokeshire.

0:15:20 > 0:15:24- Here's an old picture. - We're taking it with us...

0:15:24 > 0:15:26- ..Tom driving sheep.

0:15:26 > 0:15:30- That's Morris Caerynwch. - Tom's there somewhere.

0:15:30 > 0:15:36- You can tell how long ago it was - by looking at the cars.

0:15:36 > 0:15:37- The '50s, probably.

0:15:37 > 0:15:38- The '50s, probably.- - There's a Standard 10.

0:15:38 > 0:15:39- There's a Standard 10.

0:15:39 > 0:15:42- I had a Standard 10.

0:15:42 > 0:15:45- The gearstick - was the strongest thing about it!

0:15:45 > 0:15:46- It couldn't even overtake a bike!

0:15:46 > 0:15:48- It couldn't even overtake a bike!- - These are pictures...

0:15:48 > 0:15:48- These are pictures...

0:15:48 > 0:15:52- ..of my grandmother's home, - Pantyneuadd, in Parc.

0:15:52 > 0:15:53- Here's Nain, carrying bread.

0:15:53 > 0:15:54- Here's Nain, carrying bread.- - Look at the size of those loaves!

0:15:54 > 0:15:55- Look at the size of those loaves!

0:15:56 > 0:16:00- That's Aunt Mari, my father's - sister, with a load of bread.

0:16:00 > 0:16:03- Here's another photograph, - by the big oven.

0:16:04 > 0:16:06- They worked hard, didn't they?

0:16:06 > 0:16:08- Here's my favourite.

0:16:09 > 0:16:13- There's a side of bacon - hanging at the top.

0:16:13 > 0:16:16- Aunt Meinir played that harp.

0:16:17 > 0:16:18- Have you heard of Hywel Wood?

0:16:18 > 0:16:19- Have you heard of Hywel Wood?- - Yes, Hywel Wood.

0:16:19 > 0:16:20- Yes, Hywel Wood.

0:16:20 > 0:16:22- That's him.

0:16:22 > 0:16:25- Nain, of course, - used a smaller table.

0:16:25 > 0:16:28- This is a photograph from the '40s.

0:16:29 > 0:16:33- It brings back happy memories - of my childhood.

0:16:33 > 0:16:35- Let's pack these then.

0:16:35 > 0:16:38- These mean a lot to me.

0:16:38 > 0:16:40- Tom's busy polishing.

0:16:41 > 0:16:44- Here's a picture of Bethan.

0:16:44 > 0:16:48- She'd had a makeover - in somewhere or other.

0:16:48 > 0:16:53- It's a wonder she sat still - long enough to take a picture!

0:16:53 > 0:16:55- She's not too proud of that.

0:16:56 > 0:16:57- Right.

0:16:57 > 0:16:57- Right.- - You're only moving a few miles...

0:16:57 > 0:16:59- You're only moving a few miles...

0:16:59 > 0:17:02- ..but everything has to be moved.

0:17:02 > 0:17:04- Yes.

0:17:05 > 0:17:08- I'm leaving this calendar - until the last moment.

0:17:08 > 0:17:13- You won't need a clock - or a calendar after retiring!

0:17:14 > 0:17:19- I see you've left the files - and the bills for Geraint!

0:17:19 > 0:17:21- Geraint can sort those out.

0:17:22 > 0:17:25- And these keys... - it's all last-minute!

0:17:46 > 0:17:48- I'll have to watch this step.

0:17:48 > 0:17:50- What about this old clock?

0:17:50 > 0:17:51- What about this old clock?- - That was handed down.

0:17:51 > 0:17:51- That was handed down.

0:17:52 > 0:17:53- Griffith Davis, Dolgellau.

0:17:55 > 0:17:58- That came from Hafod Oer.

0:17:58 > 0:18:03- The Gwanas family has long - played its part in Welsh singing.

0:18:03 > 0:18:06- The late Llew Evans - was Tom's father.

0:18:06 > 0:18:10- Tom's mother loves - coming back here to visit.

0:18:10 > 0:18:14- It's great to see you back here, - Mrs Evans.

0:18:14 > 0:18:15- You must have many sweet memories.

0:18:15 > 0:18:16- You must have many sweet memories.- - Yes, very sweet.

0:18:16 > 0:18:16- You must have many sweet memories.

0:18:17 > 0:18:21- There was plenty of work - to do here back then.

0:18:22 > 0:18:25- How many children do you have?

0:18:25 > 0:18:28- We all know Tom and Trebor.

0:18:28 > 0:18:30- The others were girls, weren't they?

0:18:31 > 0:18:32- Yes.

0:18:32 > 0:18:35- The eldest is a girl.

0:18:35 > 0:18:36- She lives in Llwyngwril.

0:18:36 > 0:18:36- She lives in Llwyngwril.- - She conducted Llwyngwril choir...

0:18:36 > 0:18:37- She conducted Llwyngwril choir...

0:18:37 > 0:18:39- ..for many years.

0:18:39 > 0:18:41- Yes, in Machynlleth.

0:18:42 > 0:18:44- The youngest is in California.

0:18:45 > 0:18:48- Did you ever get the opportunity - to go there?

0:18:49 > 0:18:51- I've been there eight times.

0:18:52 > 0:18:52- California?

0:18:52 > 0:18:53- California?- - Yes.

0:18:53 > 0:18:54- Yes.

0:18:54 > 0:18:55- You don't drive, do you?

0:18:55 > 0:18:56- You don't drive, do you?- - No.

0:18:56 > 0:18:57- No.

0:18:57 > 0:18:59- You get around, nevertheless!

0:19:00 > 0:19:03- Singing has always been important - in your family.

0:19:04 > 0:19:06- Yes, it always has been.

0:19:07 > 0:19:09- You and your husband sang.

0:19:09 > 0:19:11- You and your husband sang.- - Yes. We often sang together...

0:19:12 > 0:19:13- ..often in chapel.

0:19:14 > 0:19:19- If there was a Communion service, - they asked us to sing a duet.

0:19:19 > 0:19:22- We sang in Salem many times.

0:19:23 > 0:19:26- You raised children here. - It's a big farm.

0:19:26 > 0:19:29- Was there a lot of work?

0:19:29 > 0:19:35- We had three workers and - four children who had to be fed.

0:19:35 > 0:19:37- Sometimes, we received help.

0:19:39 > 0:19:42- Then, when our eldest daughter - finished school...

0:19:42 > 0:19:45- ..she was able to help us.

0:19:46 > 0:19:48- But everyone had to be fed.

0:19:48 > 0:19:49- But everyone had to be fed.- - Did you make your own butter?

0:19:49 > 0:19:50- Did you make your own butter?

0:19:50 > 0:19:52- Twice a week, sometimes.

0:19:52 > 0:19:54- Did you make butter here?

0:19:54 > 0:19:55- Did you make butter here?- - Yes, here.

0:19:55 > 0:19:55- Yes, here.

0:19:57 > 0:20:01- This area used to be all stone - on both sides.

0:20:01 > 0:20:06- This is where we made butter - which we sold in Dolgellau.

0:20:06 > 0:20:08- You must be very happy.

0:20:08 > 0:20:14- Tom and Mair are moving out, and - their son, Geraint, is moving in.

0:20:14 > 0:20:17- That must make you very happy.

0:20:17 > 0:20:18- The same family's still living here.

0:20:18 > 0:20:20- The same family's still living here.- - It's important.

0:20:20 > 0:20:20- It's important.

0:20:20 > 0:20:21- Yes, it's important.

0:20:22 > 0:20:25- Perhaps their children - will be singers too.

0:20:25 > 0:20:30- If that's what Nain wants, - I'm sure they'll do their best.

0:20:43 > 0:20:45- No money - nothing inside!

0:20:45 > 0:20:48- Just dust and a spider!

0:20:50 > 0:20:55- Tom and Mair are lucky to have - their children living nearby.

0:20:55 > 0:21:00- They're all helping with the move, - so Tom won't be landed with a bill!

0:21:00 > 0:21:04- I bet you had fun here - when you were young.

0:21:05 > 0:21:08- I've never seen such a big porch.

0:21:08 > 0:21:11- If I'd been naughty, - they locked me upstairs...

0:21:12 > 0:21:16- ..and I used to escape - through the window by climbing down!

0:21:17 > 0:21:19- There used to be ivy growing there.

0:21:19 > 0:21:21- The place holds memories.

0:21:21 > 0:21:23- Dad's moving down the road.

0:21:24 > 0:21:27- But this will still be - the family home - Gwanas.

0:21:28 > 0:21:33- You're known as Bethan Gwanas, and - that's how you'll always be known.

0:21:33 > 0:21:35- It's the same with Llinos.

0:21:35 > 0:21:37- In Bala...

0:21:37 > 0:21:42- ..if someone shouts "Gwanas!" I turn - around but it's Llinos they want!

0:21:42 > 0:21:46- I won't ask - which of you is the eldest!

0:21:46 > 0:21:50- Llinos is the most petite, - but you play rugby.

0:21:50 > 0:21:53- Yes. Bethan used to play too.

0:21:53 > 0:21:56- But you still play, don't you?

0:21:56 > 0:21:59- With what team do you play?

0:21:59 > 0:22:01- Bala women's team.

0:22:01 > 0:22:05- And there are enough women - to form a team?

0:22:06 > 0:22:07- Sometimes. It depends.

0:22:07 > 0:22:09- Sometimes, we play on Sundays...

0:22:10 > 0:22:15- ..but many of the girls are in - a bad state on Sunday morning!

0:22:15 > 0:22:19- It's strange - that you two took up rugby.

0:22:19 > 0:22:22- Here we are among the lonely hills.

0:22:22 > 0:22:24- All the boys here play football.

0:22:24 > 0:22:25- All the boys here play football.- - No, no.

0:22:25 > 0:22:26- No, no.

0:22:26 > 0:22:28- Both games are played in Dolgellau.

0:22:29 > 0:22:31- Dad used to play rugby.

0:22:31 > 0:22:34- That may have something - to do with it.

0:22:35 > 0:22:36- We had to watch rugby every Sunday.

0:22:36 > 0:22:37- We had to watch rugby every Sunday.- - We're a rugby family...

0:22:37 > 0:22:37- We had to watch rugby every Sunday.

0:22:37 > 0:22:38- ..but we girls - weren't allowed to play.

0:22:38 > 0:22:40- ..but we girls - weren't allowed to play.

0:22:41 > 0:22:42- But girls always follow Dad.

0:22:42 > 0:22:43- But girls always follow Dad.- - They must do.

0:22:43 > 0:22:43- They must do.

0:22:43 > 0:22:47- Did your mother - give you a telling off?

0:22:47 > 0:22:48- Well, Mam...

0:22:49 > 0:22:52- Mam's a bit more ladylike - than we are.

0:22:52 > 0:22:53- Yes, she is.

0:22:53 > 0:22:54- Yes, she is.- - She tried to get us to dance...

0:22:54 > 0:22:56- She tried to get us to dance...

0:22:56 > 0:22:58- ..to be ballerinas.

0:22:58 > 0:23:02- You've got the body - to be a ballerina!

0:23:02 > 0:23:02- Both of you!

0:23:02 > 0:23:03- Both of you!- - Thanks very much, Dai!

0:23:03 > 0:23:04- Thanks very much, Dai!

0:23:12 > 0:23:15- You've dismantled the clock, boys.

0:23:15 > 0:23:18- Do you remember Laurel and Hardy?

0:23:18 > 0:23:20- Remember them dropping a clock?

0:23:20 > 0:23:22- Hardy's right here!

0:23:25 > 0:23:27- This is a very old clock.

0:23:28 > 0:23:29- Yes, it is.

0:23:29 > 0:23:32- Look how "Dolgelly" is spelt.

0:23:33 > 0:23:38- You said you had a room - where a choir used to practise.

0:23:38 > 0:23:40- It was this room.

0:23:40 > 0:23:42- It was a mixed choir.

0:23:42 > 0:23:44- My father's brother conducted...

0:23:44 > 0:23:48- ..and he had the whole choir - right up against him!

0:23:48 > 0:23:50- How many were in the choir?

0:23:50 > 0:23:51- How many were in the choir?- - Nearly 30.

0:23:51 > 0:23:51- Nearly 30.

0:23:53 > 0:23:56- Your father - was with Cor Meibion Dolgellau.

0:23:56 > 0:23:58- Yes. So was I.

0:23:58 > 0:24:00- For a while.

0:24:00 > 0:24:02- A singing tradition.

0:24:02 > 0:24:07- It's not a bad day for moving, - though it's wet outside.

0:24:07 > 0:24:10- We've already taken - the smaller things.

0:24:10 > 0:24:13- Mair wants more boxes or something.

0:24:13 > 0:24:15- It's a big thing, moving.

0:24:15 > 0:24:16- And you're moving in, Geraint.

0:24:16 > 0:24:18- And you're moving in, Geraint.- - It's a lot of work.

0:24:18 > 0:24:18- It's a lot of work.

0:24:19 > 0:24:20- You'll be closer to your work.

0:24:20 > 0:24:21- You'll be closer to your work.- - It's better for me.

0:24:21 > 0:24:22- It's better for me.

0:24:22 > 0:24:25- And less work for the old man.

0:24:25 > 0:24:29- Less of the 'old'. - we're the same age!

0:24:29 > 0:24:32- But we like to give young people - a chance!

0:24:33 > 0:24:33- A small chance!

0:24:33 > 0:24:34- A small chance!- - A small push!

0:24:34 > 0:24:35- A small push!

0:24:35 > 0:24:37- Have you moved yet?

0:24:39 > 0:24:44- This is a nice job for us two - at our age.

0:24:45 > 0:24:48- Don't move anything - that's too heavy.

0:24:50 > 0:24:53- You'll get a lot in here.

0:24:53 > 0:24:54- Mind your head.

0:25:09 > 0:25:14- Tom has been a member - of Cor Godre'r Aran for many years.

0:25:15 > 0:25:21- I wonder if he's asked - I'm sure - he is - "Do your children sing?"

0:25:21 > 0:25:22- Llinos can sing.

0:25:22 > 0:25:22- Llinos can sing.- - No, she can't!

0:25:22 > 0:25:23- No, she can't!

0:25:23 > 0:25:26- Though they tried their best - with me!

0:25:27 > 0:25:28- Llinos can play the piano too.

0:25:28 > 0:25:29- Llinos can play the piano too.- - No, though they tried that too!

0:25:29 > 0:25:31- No, though they tried that too!

0:25:31 > 0:25:35- It would have been nice - if you could play.

0:25:35 > 0:25:36- That was the dream, I think.

0:25:36 > 0:25:38- That was the dream, I think.- - Dad wanted an accompanist.

0:25:38 > 0:25:38- That was the dream, I think.

0:25:38 > 0:25:41- He tried to get us girls interested.

0:25:41 > 0:25:46- Mrs AA came here to give us - piano lessons in the parlour.

0:25:46 > 0:25:50- Mrs AA - - her husband worked for the AA!

0:25:50 > 0:25:53- But I really hated - playing the piano!

0:25:53 > 0:25:55- I protested so much.

0:25:55 > 0:26:00- When she came once, I kicked - a football and broke a window!

0:26:00 > 0:26:04- Llinos wasn't quite such a rebel - in those days.

0:26:04 > 0:26:07- Is she very rebellious these days?

0:26:07 > 0:26:10- She did rebel a bit later on.

0:26:11 > 0:26:15- Back to today, Bethan - doesn't - travelling so much scare you?

0:26:15 > 0:26:16- I'd be scared of getting lost!

0:26:16 > 0:26:18- I'd be scared of getting lost!- - I'm never on my own.

0:26:18 > 0:26:18- I'm never on my own.

0:26:19 > 0:26:21- I prefer to travel alone.

0:26:21 > 0:26:25- Llinos came with me to America once - to play rugby.

0:26:25 > 0:26:28- That must have been an experience!

0:26:28 > 0:26:30- It was great!

0:26:30 > 0:26:33- I'd rather travel on my own, really.

0:26:33 > 0:26:38- But when I'm doing 'Ar Y Lein', - there's a crew as well.

0:26:38 > 0:26:41- I've nothing against them, - but that's work.

0:26:42 > 0:26:43- What an experience though.

0:26:44 > 0:26:47- You meet different people - in different countries.

0:26:47 > 0:26:51- In this country, - everyone's the same, more or less.

0:26:51 > 0:26:55- But, in some places, - people can be very different.

0:26:55 > 0:26:59- They're completely different, - but then again, they're the same.

0:26:59 > 0:27:00- It doesn't matter where you go.

0:27:00 > 0:27:01- It doesn't matter where you go.- - Do you enjoy it?

0:27:01 > 0:27:02- Do you enjoy it?

0:27:02 > 0:27:05- Oh, yes. I like talking to people.

0:27:05 > 0:27:10- I get bored if I'm sitting - looking at moose or elk all day!

0:27:11 > 0:27:14- I don't know how - Iolo Williams does it!

0:27:14 > 0:27:16- It's people I'm interested in...

0:27:16 > 0:27:19- Llinos, would you like to travel?

0:27:19 > 0:27:21- I'm not sure.

0:27:21 > 0:27:25- I'd enjoy if Bethan and her sister - did something like 'Ar Y Lein' once.

0:27:26 > 0:27:27- That's a good idea!

0:27:28 > 0:27:28- .

0:27:33 > 0:27:33- 888

0:27:33 > 0:27:35- 888- - 888

0:27:38 > 0:27:43- The family has a lot of work to do - during the week.

0:27:44 > 0:27:47- They have land in Maentwrog - and Anglesey.

0:27:47 > 0:27:51- Managing these Continental cattle - can often be quite a job.

0:27:58 > 0:28:00- Go on.

0:28:01 > 0:28:03- Go on.

0:28:08 > 0:28:11- This is a very sheltered spot.

0:28:11 > 0:28:13- It's not at all cold.

0:28:13 > 0:28:13- It's not at all cold.- - No, and it's nice and dry.

0:28:13 > 0:28:15- No, and it's nice and dry.

0:28:17 > 0:28:21- I'm sure this was in its glory - this year.

0:28:21 > 0:28:25- Yes. It started late, - but it was good once it came.

0:28:26 > 0:28:31- You keep cattle here, and you've - created a great place for them.

0:28:31 > 0:28:33- It's next to the road.

0:28:33 > 0:28:36- Getting them in can be quite a job.

0:28:37 > 0:28:39- You've got to plan ahead.

0:28:39 > 0:28:43- I would think - you've got plenty of patience.

0:28:43 > 0:28:44- Me?!

0:28:45 > 0:28:45- That's what I think.

0:28:45 > 0:28:46- That's what I think.- - You're not serious, are you?

0:28:46 > 0:28:47- You're not serious, are you?

0:28:48 > 0:28:50- Yes! I think you have patience!

0:28:51 > 0:28:55- Shall I go and look - for the other cows?

0:28:55 > 0:28:56- Are you sure?

0:28:56 > 0:28:57- Are you sure?- - There was a time...

0:28:57 > 0:28:57- There was a time...

0:28:58 > 0:29:02- ..when I could run around - and get the cattle in!

0:29:02 > 0:29:03- But this is enough for me now!

0:29:03 > 0:29:05- But this is enough for me now!- - The 0-60 has gone!

0:29:05 > 0:29:08- I could do it years ago!

0:29:14 > 0:29:16- Let that white one through?

0:29:18 > 0:29:19- Whoa, bach. Come on.

0:29:21 > 0:29:23- Will they get past you?

0:29:23 > 0:29:26- No, they won't get past me.

0:29:26 > 0:29:27- Guaranteed?

0:29:27 > 0:29:33- I'm not as tall as you, - but I'd fill a bigger hole!

0:29:34 > 0:29:36- I want those two.

0:29:45 > 0:29:47- Let that red one come.

0:30:03 > 0:30:05- There we are, boys.

0:30:06 > 0:30:08- Gwanas, here we come.

0:30:10 > 0:30:13- They're one step closer to the bank.

0:30:38 > 0:30:41- The family, responding - to circumstances...

0:30:41 > 0:30:44- ..has diversified in its work.

0:30:44 > 0:30:49- Diversification is an important word - in agriculture nowadays.

0:30:51 > 0:30:55- A few miles down the road, - they have a caravan park.

0:30:55 > 0:30:58- People flock here.

0:30:58 > 0:31:00- It's a lovely spot.

0:31:01 > 0:31:03- You've spent a lot of money on this.

0:31:04 > 0:31:05- That building's new.

0:31:06 > 0:31:08- It's about a year old.

0:31:08 > 0:31:10- It's a great asset.

0:31:11 > 0:31:14- Building something like that - costs a lot.

0:31:15 > 0:31:18- All the utilities must be in place.

0:31:18 > 0:31:19- There are regulations.

0:31:20 > 0:31:23- These days, people - want the best facilities.

0:31:25 > 0:31:28- Is this the largest park?

0:31:28 > 0:31:32- Yes, this is the park - with the static caravans.

0:31:32 > 0:31:35- It's an excellent park - and totally rural.

0:31:36 > 0:31:40- City people like to escape - for holidays in a quiet spot.

0:31:40 > 0:31:44- I'm sure you don't have any trouble - filling the place.

0:31:45 > 0:31:46- So long as the sun is out.

0:31:46 > 0:31:48- So long as the sun is out.- - The weather is your only problem.

0:31:48 > 0:31:48- The weather is your only problem.

0:31:48 > 0:31:51- Yes, but it's quite sheltered here.

0:31:52 > 0:31:53- Wind isn't a problem.

0:31:53 > 0:31:57- Does anyone outside the family - help to run the show?

0:31:58 > 0:32:00- No, it's the family, mostly.

0:32:00 > 0:32:04- Of course, this began - as a means of diversification.

0:32:04 > 0:32:06- You got the chance to buy it.

0:32:06 > 0:32:07- You got the chance to buy it.- - Yes, back in '96...

0:32:07 > 0:32:07- Yes, back in '96...

0:32:07 > 0:32:11- ..we got the chance - to buy the place.

0:32:11 > 0:32:15- We bought it - the day before BSE broke out.

0:32:16 > 0:32:19- It's been a great help to us.

0:32:19 > 0:32:23- You're clever with your hands. - You can build stone walls.

0:32:24 > 0:32:28- Did you do a lot of the work - yourself?

0:32:28 > 0:32:33- Yes - walls, fences, and I've done - a lot of work on the caravans...

0:32:33 > 0:32:36- ..plumbing, and preparing places - for new caravans.

0:32:37 > 0:32:41- Of course, these caravans - must have all the amenities.

0:32:43 > 0:32:45- They have to be available.

0:32:45 > 0:32:48- Yes - electricity, - water and sewerage.

0:32:49 > 0:32:53- We may install gas this winter.

0:32:53 > 0:32:55- When does the season start? Easter?

0:32:56 > 0:33:01- Yes, Easter or April 1. - It depends which comes first.

0:33:01 > 0:33:04- It finishes at the end of October.

0:33:11 > 0:33:14- There's a lot of work involved - with these walls.

0:33:14 > 0:33:17- You should be getting full grants.

0:33:17 > 0:33:19- These old walls fall down easily.

0:33:20 > 0:33:21- You have to maintain them properly.

0:33:21 > 0:33:22- You have to maintain them properly.- - Yes, these walls in particular.

0:33:22 > 0:33:23- Yes, these walls in particular.

0:33:23 > 0:33:27- The stones are from the river, - so they're round.

0:33:27 > 0:33:29- There's more work involved.

0:33:29 > 0:33:32- You have to place the stones - carefully.

0:33:33 > 0:33:34- They're very heavy.

0:33:34 > 0:33:37- Yes - they're hard on your back.

0:33:37 > 0:33:42- You have to watch that children - don't go jumping all over them!

0:33:42 > 0:33:44- Mam often shouts at them!

0:33:44 > 0:33:45- She's used to shouting!

0:33:45 > 0:33:48- She's used to shouting!- - She had plenty of practice with us!

0:33:49 > 0:33:52- I learnt mostly from my father.

0:33:52 > 0:33:57- Every area has a different building - technique or a different style.

0:34:08 > 0:34:10- On the outskirts of Brithdir...

0:34:11 > 0:34:15- ..there's a place that's close - to the family's heart - the chapel.

0:34:15 > 0:34:20- It's closed now, but they're - delighted with its new use.

0:34:20 > 0:34:22- Here's the family graveyard.

0:34:23 > 0:34:26- The gate's been painted too, - fair play!

0:34:26 > 0:34:28- Yes, it's nice.

0:34:28 > 0:34:31- Things are well cared for - in rural areas.

0:34:33 > 0:34:35- Here it is - the family graveyard.

0:34:35 > 0:34:35- Here it is - the family graveyard.- - Here it is.

0:34:35 > 0:34:36- Here it is.

0:34:38 > 0:34:40- There's Glesni - and your father.

0:34:40 > 0:34:44- I hope there'll be room for me too.

0:34:44 > 0:34:45- Before very long, I should think!

0:34:45 > 0:34:47- Before very long, I should think!- - I wouldn't say that!

0:34:47 > 0:34:47- I wouldn't say that!

0:34:47 > 0:34:50- Was this the family chapel?

0:34:51 > 0:34:55- Originally, we went to another - chapel, further up the valley...

0:34:55 > 0:34:57- ..closer to Cwm Hafod Oer.

0:34:57 > 0:35:00- That closed, so we came here.

0:35:00 > 0:35:03- But this didn't remain open - for much longer.

0:35:04 > 0:35:05- The year 2000.

0:35:05 > 0:35:07- In the year 2000.

0:35:08 > 0:35:10- Today, it's a nursery, isn't it?

0:35:10 > 0:35:11- Today, it's a nursery, isn't it?- - Yes, for young children.

0:35:11 > 0:35:12- Yes, for young children.

0:35:14 > 0:35:18- The original idea was to keep - the building for the community.

0:35:19 > 0:35:23- Then, after four years, - we'd received enough grants...

0:35:23 > 0:35:27- ..to open the nursery at the - beginning of this year, January 3.

0:35:28 > 0:35:29- You must be very happy.

0:35:29 > 0:35:30- You must be very happy.- - Yes. The chapel's been very kind...

0:35:30 > 0:35:31- Yes. The chapel's been very kind...

0:35:31 > 0:35:36- ..to let us have it on lease - at a small price.

0:35:36 > 0:35:40- It's a very nice purpose - - to nurture the future.

0:35:40 > 0:35:43- Who could turn that down?

0:35:43 > 0:35:44- Singers, perhaps.

0:35:45 > 0:35:48- There'll be something wrong - if there won't be any.

0:35:48 > 0:35:53- Are you still involved with the - place now that it's a nursery?

0:35:54 > 0:35:59- Yes, we had to do something with the - graveyard when the chapel closed.

0:35:59 > 0:36:03- Three of us are trustees - of the graveyard.

0:36:03 > 0:36:08- If you want to be buried here, - you phone me!

0:36:08 > 0:36:11- I see! - It's in very safe hands, then.

0:36:41 > 0:36:43- Well, hello!

0:36:43 > 0:36:44- How are you?

0:36:45 > 0:36:46- Are you alright?

0:36:46 > 0:36:48- A welcome at the door!

0:36:49 > 0:36:50- How are you?

0:36:50 > 0:36:50- How are you?- - I'm fine.

0:36:50 > 0:36:51- I'm fine.

0:36:53 > 0:36:56- They keep you busy, don't they?

0:36:56 > 0:37:00- Very busy. We've just had lunch - and now they're playing.

0:37:00 > 0:37:03- You can see chocolate - around their mouths!

0:37:04 > 0:37:05- How old are they?

0:37:05 > 0:37:05- How old are they?- - We accept them from three months...

0:37:05 > 0:37:08- We accept them from three months...

0:37:08 > 0:37:11- ..until the time they start school.

0:37:11 > 0:37:15- That varies, depending on when - they have their birthday.

0:37:15 > 0:37:16- None are over five.

0:37:16 > 0:37:17- None are over five.- - How many of you look after them?

0:37:17 > 0:37:19- How many of you look after them?

0:37:19 > 0:37:21- There are six staff members.

0:37:22 > 0:37:24- Tom's granddaughter works here.

0:37:24 > 0:37:27- She's over there, feeding a baby.

0:37:27 > 0:37:31- Do they miss their mothers - when they leave them?

0:37:31 > 0:37:35- They're very good. Some do, - but they're all different.

0:37:35 > 0:37:40- Some days, maybe, or if there's - a change in circumstances.

0:37:40 > 0:37:41- But they're very good.

0:37:41 > 0:37:42- But they're very good.- - How many children are registered?

0:37:42 > 0:37:43- How many children are registered?

0:37:43 > 0:37:44- Hello, how are you?

0:37:44 > 0:37:45- Hello, how are you?- - There are 30 in all.

0:37:45 > 0:37:46- There are 30 in all.

0:37:47 > 0:37:48- Really?

0:37:48 > 0:37:51- Have you come to say hello?

0:37:51 > 0:37:53- What's that? A mouth organ?

0:37:53 > 0:37:53- What's that? A mouth organ?- - Hello!

0:37:53 > 0:37:54- Hello!

0:37:54 > 0:37:55- Everyone wants to say hello!

0:37:55 > 0:37:57- Everyone wants to say hello!- - They're cheerful!

0:37:57 > 0:37:57- They're cheerful!

0:37:57 > 0:37:59- How are you?

0:37:59 > 0:38:00- Are you alright?

0:38:00 > 0:38:01- .

0:38:16 > 0:38:16- 888

0:38:16 > 0:38:18- 888- - 888

0:38:29 > 0:38:32- There's no need for the tourists - to have everything.

0:38:33 > 0:38:38- The sheep are brought to the park - where there's plenty of grass.

0:38:38 > 0:38:40- They think it's Christmas!

0:38:46 > 0:38:49- They're delighted to get in there!

0:38:50 > 0:38:53- They won't take long - to graze it all.

0:38:54 > 0:38:57- We haven't cut the grass - for a while...

0:38:57 > 0:38:59- ..because the sheep can eat it.

0:38:59 > 0:39:01- ..because the sheep can eat it.- - There won't be any tourists...

0:39:01 > 0:39:01- ..because the sheep can eat it.- - There won't be any tourists...- - ..until Easter.

0:39:01 > 0:39:02- ..because the sheep can eat it.- - ..until Easter.

0:39:02 > 0:39:05- The grass will soon grow back.

0:39:05 > 0:39:08- The bottom field is very sheltered.

0:39:08 > 0:39:08- The bottom field is very sheltered.- - It's much nicer than Cwm Hafod Oer!

0:39:08 > 0:39:11- It's much nicer than Cwm Hafod Oer!

0:39:12 > 0:39:15- Are they all Welsh sheep? - No crosses?

0:39:16 > 0:39:18- None.

0:39:18 > 0:39:19- Do you get many twins?

0:39:19 > 0:39:20- Do you get many twins?- - With these, yes...

0:39:20 > 0:39:20- With these, yes...

0:39:21 > 0:39:24- ..but the mountain sheep - won't have many.

0:39:24 > 0:39:27- It's sheltered here - and close to Gwanas.

0:39:28 > 0:39:30- It's a very convenient arrangement.

0:39:30 > 0:39:32- Yes, it works fine.

0:39:33 > 0:39:35- Mair is nearby. She can help.

0:39:35 > 0:39:37- Yes, within walking distance.

0:39:38 > 0:39:42- Is it you - who usually cuts the grass?

0:39:42 > 0:39:43- Do you have a ride-on mower?

0:39:43 > 0:39:45- Do you have a ride-on mower?- - Yes. I don't mind doing it.

0:39:45 > 0:39:46- Yes. I don't mind doing it.

0:39:46 > 0:39:48- Don't you?

0:39:49 > 0:39:52- But when it comes to paperwork...

0:39:52 > 0:39:57- ..Tom and Geraint are happy - to leave it all to Mair.

0:39:58 > 0:40:02- This is a very important corner - of the park.

0:40:02 > 0:40:05- Yes. We're very busy in summer.

0:40:05 > 0:40:05- Yes. We're very busy in summer.- - Is there much to do during the day?

0:40:05 > 0:40:08- Is there much to do during the day?

0:40:08 > 0:40:09- Keep things ticking over, I suppose?

0:40:09 > 0:40:11- Keep things ticking over, I suppose?- - Yes.

0:40:11 > 0:40:14- Cleaning the toilets - is the worst job.

0:40:14 > 0:40:18- We welcome people, make sure - they pay and give them tags.

0:40:19 > 0:40:23- I have different coloured tags - for each day which helps...

0:40:23 > 0:40:25- ..because they can be sneaky.

0:40:26 > 0:40:29- Are they decent people - on the whole?

0:40:29 > 0:40:34- On the whole, they're excellent, - but you get the odd bad one.

0:40:34 > 0:40:37- Can they buy provisions in the park?

0:40:38 > 0:40:41- No, they have to go into town - to buy provisions.

0:40:41 > 0:40:46- That would be too much, - though we'd make more money.

0:40:48 > 0:40:50- Well, well, Mair - what's this?

0:40:50 > 0:40:53- This is a kitchen for the campers...

0:40:55 > 0:40:57- ..where they can wash dishes...

0:40:58 > 0:40:59- And prepare food?

0:40:59 > 0:41:00- And prepare food?- - Yes, if it's raining...

0:41:00 > 0:41:01- Yes, if it's raining...

0:41:01 > 0:41:02- ..they can come in here.

0:41:02 > 0:41:03- ..they can come in here.- - And there's a television.

0:41:03 > 0:41:04- And there's a television.

0:41:04 > 0:41:09- If there's a football game on - or something, they fill the room.

0:41:09 > 0:41:13- Do campsites - generally have these facilities?

0:41:13 > 0:41:15- Are they essential?

0:41:15 > 0:41:16- Are they essential?- - No...

0:41:16 > 0:41:16- Are they essential?

0:41:16 > 0:41:19- ..but we thought - it would be something extra.

0:41:19 > 0:41:20- ..but we thought - it would be something extra.

0:41:21 > 0:41:24- It was an experiment, really, - but people like it.

0:41:25 > 0:41:29- I bought these seats - in the chapel sale.

0:41:31 > 0:41:35- It was being converted into - a nursery, so we had a sale.

0:41:37 > 0:41:39- I bought four of these seats.

0:41:40 > 0:41:41- They add character.

0:41:41 > 0:41:45- I bet some of the backsides - that sit here...

0:41:45 > 0:41:46- ..have never been in a chapel!

0:41:46 > 0:41:48- ..have never been in a chapel!- - I'm sure!

0:41:48 > 0:41:52- It costs a lot - to build something like this.

0:41:52 > 0:41:53- It does.

0:41:54 > 0:41:59- The tourist board was good enough - to give us a grant towards it.

0:42:00 > 0:42:03- But you had to make sure - it had everything.

0:42:04 > 0:42:08- Yes. It had to be of a certain - standard - and that cost money.

0:42:09 > 0:42:10- Fair play...

0:42:11 > 0:42:15- ..you've diversified but - you've kept the farm's character.

0:42:16 > 0:42:18- People are all you need.

0:42:20 > 0:42:23- Yes, things are always changing.

0:42:24 > 0:42:28- But the landscape in this area - will never change...

0:42:29 > 0:42:31- ..and thank heavens for that.

0:42:33 > 0:42:35- It's like paradise.

0:42:35 > 0:42:40- Though Mair and Tom have moved out, - they're not far from Gwanas.

0:42:41 > 0:42:44- They're in Dolgamedd - - a very old place.

0:42:45 > 0:42:50- In this house, there'll be plenty - of talk about singing and farming.

0:42:51 > 0:42:52- Bound to be.

0:42:53 > 0:42:57- It's not far from Tycroes, - the home of Ieuan Gwynedd.

0:42:59 > 0:43:04- Owen Edwards mentions in his book - that he walked past this house...

0:43:04 > 0:43:08- ..and he wrote that Dolgamedd - looked Elizabethan.

0:43:09 > 0:43:13- It's nice that your son - has taken over Gwanas.

0:43:14 > 0:43:19- And you have enough time to enjoy - as he gets himself established.

0:43:19 > 0:43:20- Yes, it's nice.

0:43:21 > 0:43:24- And you know how farming is - - all those forms.

0:43:24 > 0:43:27- He does all that himself.

0:43:27 > 0:43:31- I'd have retired ages ago - if it wasn't for him!

0:43:34 > 0:43:38- Will you be going home to Gwanas - by mistake occasionally?

0:43:38 > 0:43:40- That's quite possible!

0:43:42 > 0:43:47- I came out of Ty Glas one day - and turned towards Gwanas!

0:43:47 > 0:43:50- I had to turn around and go back!

0:43:51 > 0:43:54- What will you do - with yourselves now?

0:43:55 > 0:43:56- You'll be busy in summer.

0:43:56 > 0:43:57- You'll be busy in summer.- - Yes, I'll be busy in summer.

0:43:57 > 0:43:58- Yes, I'll be busy in summer.

0:43:59 > 0:44:01- You don't sing, do you?

0:44:01 > 0:44:03- No, but I listen!

0:44:04 > 0:44:06- And criticise! I'm a critic!

0:44:08 > 0:44:12- Do you have any other interests - to keep you occupied?

0:44:12 > 0:44:15- Is there anything you'd like to do?

0:44:16 > 0:44:21- I'd like to do more exercise - like yoga or something like that.

0:44:21 > 0:44:22- More time to do things like that.

0:44:22 > 0:44:23- More time to do things like that.- - Skiing too.

0:44:23 > 0:44:24- More time to do things like that.

0:44:24 > 0:44:24- Oh, yes - skiing.

0:44:24 > 0:44:25- Oh, yes - skiing.

0:44:25 > 0:44:27- Skiing's my hobby these days.

0:44:28 > 0:44:30- I've only just started.

0:44:31 > 0:44:36- # White seagull above the lake... #

0:44:37 > 0:44:42- I had the privilege of sharing - a stage with Tom Gwanas many times.

0:44:42 > 0:44:45- It was a real pleasure.

0:44:45 > 0:44:48- I've heard this country's - greatest musicians...

0:44:48 > 0:44:53- ..saying Tom Gwanas is the most - musical singer they've ever heard.

0:44:53 > 0:44:55- Hear, hear, say I.

0:44:58 > 0:45:03- No-one has won - it used to be - the Princeps Cantorum...

0:45:03 > 0:45:06- ..but it isn't awarded any more.

0:45:06 > 0:45:09- I was the only one to win it twice.

0:45:09 > 0:45:14- Did you prefer to compete - rather than sing in a concert?

0:45:14 > 0:45:16- This shows you, I think.

0:45:17 > 0:45:19- I preferred to compete.

0:45:19 > 0:45:22- You won both your Blue Riband - in Pembrokeshire.

0:45:22 > 0:45:25- '86 and 2002.

0:45:25 > 0:45:29- I won at Llangollen in '84 and '89.

0:45:29 > 0:45:32- Do you think the eisteddfod stage...

0:45:32 > 0:45:35- ..is the best place - to serve your apprenticeship?

0:45:35 > 0:45:37- Not just with singing...

0:45:37 > 0:45:38- ..but with living in a rural area.

0:45:38 > 0:45:39- ..but with living in a rural area.- - Yes, it is.

0:45:39 > 0:45:40- ..but with living in a rural area.

0:45:40 > 0:45:40- Everyone loses unfairly sometimes, - but you take it in your stride.

0:45:40 > 0:45:44- Everyone loses unfairly sometimes, - but you take it in your stride.

0:45:45 > 0:45:48- When did you start - with Cor Godre'r Aran?

0:45:48 > 0:45:50- It was in 1969.

0:45:51 > 0:45:56- I was with a male voice choir before - that - Cor Meibion Dolgellau...

0:45:57 > 0:46:02- ..and before that I was in the - Dinas Mawddwy cerdd dant octet.

0:46:03 > 0:46:06- Everyone said - my enunciation was bad...

0:46:06 > 0:46:09- ..and that cerdd dant - helped with enunciation.

0:46:09 > 0:46:12- But it wasn't true in my case.

0:46:12 > 0:46:15- I wouldn't say - your enunciation is bad!

0:46:16 > 0:46:20- You can't say that when you've got - two gold medals from Llangollen...

0:46:21 > 0:46:22- ..and two Blue Ribands.

0:46:22 > 0:46:26- Being on an eisteddfod stage - is an honour.

0:46:26 > 0:46:30- It's a thrill - to sing at an eisteddfod.

0:46:30 > 0:46:33- You're also scared - of going on stage.

0:46:33 > 0:46:37- But once you've done it, - it's a great feeling.

0:46:37 > 0:46:41- # Shining,

0:46:42 > 0:46:48- # Oh, most beloved star... #

0:46:50 > 0:46:55- Is your voice - as good as it's ever been?

0:46:55 > 0:46:57- Oh, no.

0:46:57 > 0:47:01- But if I continue to sing - with the choir...

0:47:02 > 0:47:04- ..or in concerts...

0:47:04 > 0:47:07- ..and practise, it's alright.

0:47:07 > 0:47:13- But if I don't sing for a while, - I can hear it starting to go.

0:47:13 > 0:47:18- During lambing, for example, - when you don't have time to sing...

0:47:18 > 0:47:22- ..it's difficult to come back to it - afterwards.

0:47:22 > 0:47:25- When I won my last Blue Riband...

0:47:25 > 0:47:28- ..I tried to keep practising - during lambing.

0:47:28 > 0:47:32- Up to about a week - before the Eisteddfod...

0:47:32 > 0:47:34- ..I wasn't going to compete.

0:47:34 > 0:47:37- The songs just didn't come.

0:47:37 > 0:47:40- But during the final week, - they came.

0:47:40 > 0:47:49- # ..my heart. #

0:47:51 > 0:47:52- APPLAUSE

0:47:53 > 0:47:56- Is there any country - you'd like to visit?

0:47:56 > 0:47:57- I don't think so.

0:47:57 > 0:47:58- I don't think so.- - You've more time on your hands.

0:47:58 > 0:47:59- You've more time on your hands.

0:48:00 > 0:48:00- So you say!

0:48:00 > 0:48:01- So you say!- - Let's called you semi-retired.

0:48:01 > 0:48:02- Let's called you semi-retired.

0:48:02 > 0:48:03- You'll never really retire.

0:48:03 > 0:48:04- You'll never really retire.- - No. Never.

0:48:04 > 0:48:06- No. Never.

0:48:08 > 0:48:12- But, on behalf of your family, and - especially your father and mother...

0:48:13 > 0:48:16- ..who had such high regard - for eisteddfodau and singing...

0:48:17 > 0:48:20- ..it's wonderful - that you've won all these.

0:48:20 > 0:48:21- Yes, it's quite nice.

0:48:21 > 0:48:22- Yes, it's quite nice.- - It's something you can share.

0:48:22 > 0:48:23- It's something you can share.

0:48:23 > 0:48:28- On a wet afternoon, - you can sit here and look at them!

0:48:29 > 0:48:30- And clean them!

0:48:30 > 0:48:30- And clean them!- - I thought Mair cleaned them!

0:48:30 > 0:48:32- I thought Mair cleaned them!

0:48:32 > 0:48:35- No, it's me who cleans them!

0:48:35 > 0:48:40- If any viewers need someone to - clean the house, contact Tom Gwanas!

0:48:42 > 0:48:47- # I lie down late in the evening - and get up at dawn,

0:48:47 > 0:48:52- # I lie down late in the evening - and get up at dawn,

0:48:52 > 0:48:56- # To follow the plough - on the hillside,

0:48:57 > 0:49:06- # And follow the red plough - on the great mountain. #

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