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0:00:25 > 0:00:29- Whenever I think - about hedge-laying competitions...
0:00:29 > 0:00:34- ..Berwyn Harding's name is one - of the first that come to mind.
0:00:34 > 0:00:38- I've come to Hafan in Aberangell - to watch him at work.
0:00:39 > 0:00:43- It's a skilful craft, - and in my view, a special one.
0:00:43 > 0:00:46- He's a man who really knows - how to go about it.
0:00:49 > 0:00:54- November 2011
0:01:12 > 0:01:15- Hedge-laying
0:01:17 > 0:01:20- This isn't an easy hedge, - is it, Berwyn?
0:01:20 > 0:01:22- It falls away from the road.
0:01:22 > 0:01:23- It falls away from the road.- - That's right.
0:01:24 > 0:01:26- I'm trying to keep it upright.
0:01:26 > 0:01:28- It's difficult.
0:01:29 > 0:01:33- It's very high - on the lower side.
0:01:33 > 0:01:34- Take this part...
0:01:35 > 0:01:37- ..this trunk you have here.
0:01:37 > 0:01:42- You need to retain as much of it - as possible so that it can regrow.
0:01:42 > 0:01:44- That's right.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46- From the back, as much as possible.
0:01:47 > 0:01:49- This will grow in the middle.
0:01:49 > 0:01:52- Once I've trimmed it, - it won't be so big.
0:01:52 > 0:01:55- It won't be possible - to lay it very low.
0:01:55 > 0:01:58- I've laid a part of it - there.
0:01:58 > 0:02:02- That will grow, which means - I can leave that stem alone.
0:02:02 > 0:02:03- I see.
0:02:04 > 0:02:08- The dead wood will last for a year - or two to allow new shoots to grow.
0:02:08 > 0:02:10- It protects them.
0:02:10 > 0:02:14- It's not as important - for the side facing the road...
0:02:14 > 0:02:17- ..but on the side - facing the field...
0:02:17 > 0:02:20- ..the dead wood - protects the new growth.
0:02:20 > 0:02:24- It makes the hedge less attractive - to browsing sheep.
0:02:24 > 0:02:25- The dead wood has no leaves.
0:02:25 > 0:02:28- The dead wood has no leaves.- - Sheep are still attracted, though.
0:02:28 > 0:02:31- They can weaken young growth.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36- Stakes help to reinforce - the hedge, of course.
0:02:37 > 0:02:40- I can lay the hedge - without using stakes.
0:02:40 > 0:02:42- I'll put them in at the end.
0:02:42 > 0:02:46- Here, we prefer to put stakes in - from the back.
0:02:47 > 0:02:52- But because this part is so high, - we lose the line a little.
0:02:52 > 0:02:55- I have to put the stakes - on this side.
0:02:55 > 0:02:57- It's an art, like ploughing.
0:02:57 > 0:03:00- It's one of mankind's - earliest crafts.
0:03:00 > 0:03:04- With the cost of fences as it is, - we need to make the most of hedges.
0:03:05 > 0:03:07- Hedge cutting machines...
0:03:08 > 0:03:09- They ruin hedges.
0:03:09 > 0:03:14- They're not so bad - when used on a properly-laid hedge.
0:03:14 > 0:03:16- Well, no.
0:03:16 > 0:03:19- A particular style - is prevalent in this area.
0:03:19 > 0:03:23- Every hedge I've seen - has been quite narrow.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- We're widening them a little.
0:03:26 > 0:03:28- Can you explain a little more?
0:03:28 > 0:03:32- Hedges have been laid - with very little dead wood in them.
0:03:33 > 0:03:34- That makes a narrow hedge.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38- We're widening the hedges a little.
0:03:38 > 0:03:42- New growth will come to the top - and spread out.
0:03:42 > 0:03:46- You rely on the material - that you leave behind...
0:03:46 > 0:03:48- ..to grow out and spread.
0:03:52 > 0:03:56- This was a difficult hedge - for Berwyn to lay...
0:03:56 > 0:03:59- ..because the road - is higher than the field.
0:04:00 > 0:04:02- But he managed it.
0:04:07 > 0:04:10- It looks a lot bigger - from the field.
0:04:10 > 0:04:11- Yes, a lot bigger.
0:04:12 > 0:04:14- It's because the land falls away.
0:04:14 > 0:04:18- The road has built up - over the years...
0:04:18 > 0:04:20- ..making the hedge appear low.
0:04:21 > 0:04:25- How long will you wait before using - a machine to trim the hedge?
0:04:25 > 0:04:27- I don't like using a machine.
0:04:28 > 0:04:31- I'll use a sickle for a year or two, - and trim it lightly.
0:04:32 > 0:04:33- I see.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- You don't need to trim the sides - for quite a while.
0:04:37 > 0:04:40- You trim the top - so it doesn't grow too high.
0:04:40 > 0:04:43- What's the correct season - for hedge-laying?
0:04:44 > 0:04:47- This year, the sap has gone down - but the leaves remain.
0:04:48 > 0:04:51- I don't like working - when there are leaves.
0:04:51 > 0:04:53- Parts of the hedge are very leafy.
0:04:53 > 0:04:56- We haven't had any frost so far.
0:04:57 > 0:04:59- The weather controls everything.
0:04:59 > 0:05:02- From November until May, really.
0:05:04 > 0:05:07- I used to work - as a hedge-laying contractor.
0:05:07 > 0:05:09- It kept me busy all winter.
0:05:09 > 0:05:11- There's an old saying.
0:05:11 > 0:05:15- "Hedge-laying in May - takes twice as much work."
0:05:16 > 0:05:20- "Hedge-laying in May - takes twice as much work...
0:05:20 > 0:05:24- "..hedge-laying in June - takes twice as much work again!"
0:05:25 > 0:05:27- That's what we say in Ceredigion!
0:05:28 > 0:05:29- That's very good!
0:05:31 > 0:05:35- Are some tree species - easier to lay than others?
0:05:35 > 0:05:37- Thorn trees are good, aren't they?
0:05:38 > 0:05:42- Hawthorns and blackthorns - make a solid hedge.
0:05:43 > 0:05:49- Hazel isn't bad, but it's more - difficult to lay it firm and fast.
0:05:50 > 0:05:52- I don't like ash.
0:05:54 > 0:05:57- But if that's all there is, - you have to use it.
0:05:57 > 0:06:01- You said earlier - that you worked as a contractor.
0:06:01 > 0:06:05- You and your brother, Gwynfor, - carried out a lot of work.
0:06:06 > 0:06:08- How do you measure hedges?
0:06:08 > 0:06:11- Where I live, - hedges were measured by the perch.
0:06:11 > 0:06:12- I'm not sure what that is.
0:06:12 > 0:06:14- I'm not sure what that is.- - By the rod - eight yards.
0:06:15 > 0:06:17- We were paid 1 per rod.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19- It wasn't a well-paid job.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22- How many rods - could you do in a day?
0:06:23 > 0:06:27- You had to work hard - to do six rods, the way we do it.
0:06:27 > 0:06:31- Today, contractors - charge 5 per yard.
0:06:31 > 0:06:34- Are there young lads - learning the craft?
0:06:34 > 0:06:36- Not many.
0:06:36 > 0:06:38- I have no-one to take my place.
0:06:38 > 0:06:41- My son isn't at all interested.
0:06:41 > 0:06:46- Berwyn bach - there are - many more years left in you!
0:06:46 > 0:06:47- I hope so!
0:06:49 > 0:06:50- Let's move on!
0:06:53 > 0:06:54- It's nice here.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58- Martin, your son, - lives up there, does he?
0:06:58 > 0:06:59- That's right.
0:07:01 > 0:07:03- Here he is, with the cattle.
0:07:03 > 0:07:06- Those heifers are fairly pure.
0:07:06 > 0:07:09- He's the one - who does most of the work.
0:07:09 > 0:07:10- I'll have a word with Martin.
0:07:10 > 0:07:12- I'll have a word with Martin.- - Martin, come over here.
0:07:13 > 0:07:14- How are you, Dai?
0:07:14 > 0:07:15- How are you, Dai?- - Very well.
0:07:15 > 0:07:19- It's good weather for late November.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21- Yes, very nice.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- The fields are green.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25- Yes, this year.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27- The weather has been very mild.
0:07:27 > 0:07:31- Those heifers are fairly pure, - aren't they?
0:07:31 > 0:07:33- They're coming along slowly.
0:07:33 > 0:07:36- Some are pure but unregistered.
0:07:36 > 0:07:39- Others are from cross-bred cows - that we've reared.
0:07:40 > 0:07:41- You keep the female calves, do you?
0:07:41 > 0:07:42- You keep the female calves, do you?- - Yes.
0:07:42 > 0:07:47- We've bought one or two from - the Dolcorsllwyn herd, next door.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- But generally, we want - to breed our own heifers.
0:07:51 > 0:07:54- These were given AI - back in the summer...
0:07:54 > 0:07:58- ..because they're the daughters - of our stock bull.
0:07:58 > 0:08:00- Fourteen have been inseminated.
0:08:00 > 0:08:03- They need scanning - to check they're in calf.
0:08:04 > 0:08:05- You don't lay hedges.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07- No, I'm afraid I don't!
0:08:08 > 0:08:12- Having seen your cattle, - I can understand...
0:08:12 > 0:08:15- ..why your father - keeps the hedges high!
0:08:15 > 0:08:17- To stop them going over!
0:08:18 > 0:08:21- I'm sure they're no worse - than any other animal!
0:08:24 > 0:08:25- Where's your other son?
0:08:26 > 0:08:27- He's a builder.
0:08:27 > 0:08:29- He lives in Cemaes.
0:08:29 > 0:08:31- He's making money then.
0:08:31 > 0:08:35- I wouldn't know about that, - but it's better than farming.
0:08:36 > 0:08:40- When the Dyfi Valley is at its best, - it doesn't get much better.
0:08:40 > 0:08:43- That's true.
0:08:43 > 0:08:44- I often think...
0:08:46 > 0:08:47- ..it's hard work.
0:08:47 > 0:08:51- There are lots of branches - that you have to bend and lay.
0:08:51 > 0:08:55- Do they ever spring back - and whip you in the face?
0:08:55 > 0:08:59- Yes, it happens - - especially when working with thorns.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02- Getting pricked by thorns - can be bad too.
0:09:02 > 0:09:06- Blackthorns - are particularly dangerous.
0:09:06 > 0:09:10- My father always told me - to remove thorns from wounds...
0:09:10 > 0:09:13- ..because they can work their way - further in.
0:09:13 > 0:09:16- They can cause complications.
0:09:20 > 0:09:23- I was thinking - as we walked down.
0:09:23 > 0:09:26- You take part - in hedge-laying competitions.
0:09:27 > 0:09:29- How do they mark the work?
0:09:29 > 0:09:33- There are various points - for different aspects.
0:09:34 > 0:09:37- Effectiveness against stock - is one of them.
0:09:37 > 0:09:40- The hedge - must be filled in properly.
0:09:41 > 0:09:45- The greatest number of points - are for firmness and finish.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48- We're marked out of a total of 100.
0:09:49 > 0:09:51- Have you ever been disappointed?
0:09:51 > 0:09:56- Have you ever thought you'd done - your best, but didn't win?
0:09:56 > 0:09:59- You're an experienced competitor.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03- I remember one occasion, - two or three years ago...
0:10:03 > 0:10:07- ..at the National Hedge-laying - Championship in Hereford.
0:10:07 > 0:10:12- My brother and I were competing - and we both thought we'd done well.
0:10:12 > 0:10:15- But there were - no prizes forthcoming.
0:10:16 > 0:10:18- I saw the judge a little later.
0:10:18 > 0:10:20- He asked, "Were you pleased?"
0:10:20 > 0:10:24- "I don't know - I didn't - get a prize, anyway," I said.
0:10:24 > 0:10:27- "Oh - I gave you a prize, anyway."
0:10:27 > 0:10:32- It transpired that I'd forgotten - to wear this vital piece of kit...
0:10:32 > 0:10:34- ..and I'd been disqualified.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37- My brother was disqualified too.
0:10:38 > 0:10:40- Because you hadn't worn the hat?
0:10:40 > 0:10:42- Yes.
0:10:46 > 0:10:48- Well, here we are.
0:10:48 > 0:10:52- I've seen the Montgomeryshire method - of hedge-laying.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56- After the break, - I'll be in Brecknockshire.
0:10:56 > 0:11:01- They have good hedges there too, - although they're different.
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0:11:16 > 0:11:20- I'm now in Brecknockshire, - not far from Sennybridge.
0:11:20 > 0:11:23- I'm meeting two brothers - who lay very solid hedges.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27- They've been doing this for years.
0:11:27 > 0:11:31- Both have passed - their threescore years and ten.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34- John Williams and Basil Williams.
0:11:34 > 0:11:40- John lives in Pentre-bach, and Basil - lives like a king in Sennybridge.
0:11:40 > 0:11:42- They're entertaining characters.
0:11:43 > 0:11:47- Imagine all the years they've spent - working on these hedges...
0:11:48 > 0:11:49- ..in all kinds of weather.
0:12:08 > 0:12:11- It looks good from here, boys!
0:12:12 > 0:12:14- How do you turn this off?
0:12:14 > 0:12:15- Wait a minute.
0:12:16 > 0:12:21- It's like me - if you turn it off, - it's a job to bloody start it again!
0:12:25 > 0:12:27- It looks solid now.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29- It's not an easy hedge.
0:12:29 > 0:12:30- It's a devil.
0:12:31 > 0:12:35- The man who did this hedge - previously should be jailed!
0:12:35 > 0:12:37- He didn't go right to the base.
0:12:37 > 0:12:39- He just worked the top.
0:12:39 > 0:12:43- Now, I can see - why you say closing a hedge.
0:12:43 > 0:12:45- To me, hedges are always laid.
0:12:46 > 0:12:48- But you call it closing a hedge.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52- You close all the gaps firmly - from top to bottom.
0:12:52 > 0:12:54- You use living wood at the base.
0:12:54 > 0:12:56- You use living wood at the base.- - As much as we can get.
0:12:56 > 0:12:58- These trees have grown too strong.
0:12:59 > 0:13:03- This is where the art comes into it - - to work with what you have.
0:13:03 > 0:13:05- That's right.
0:13:05 > 0:13:08- I'll have to cut a piece here - so I can bring it down.
0:13:08 > 0:13:12- It looks completely different - on this side now.
0:13:12 > 0:13:17- I have to cut a piece off - so the pleacher can go there.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21- The pleacher must be flexible enough - to cover this part.
0:13:22 > 0:13:23- Don't say too much.
0:13:23 > 0:13:27- If we teach these Cardis, - we'll be out of bloody work!
0:13:30 > 0:13:34- I'm telling you, it's difficult - to find men who can do this job.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- Years ago, - when people laid a hedge...
0:13:38 > 0:13:43- ..they used a spade, a billhook - and gloves, and nothing else.
0:13:43 > 0:13:46- They filled the hedge with dug soil.
0:13:46 > 0:13:50- There would just be enough room - for a mouse to squeeze through.
0:13:50 > 0:13:52- That's how they used to do it.
0:13:52 > 0:13:54- That's how they used to do it.- - A bird wouldn't get through this.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58- No, they don't want pheasants - in the field!
0:13:58 > 0:14:01- They told us before we started!
0:14:02 > 0:14:04- How old were you when you started?
0:14:04 > 0:14:07- How old were you when you started?- - I've been doing this for 60 years.
0:14:07 > 0:14:10- I can tell you one thing - for bloody sure...
0:14:10 > 0:14:14- ..this is the first time - I've worn a bloody helmet!
0:14:14 > 0:14:15- That's a bloody fact!
0:14:15 > 0:14:17- That's a bloody fact!- - Me too!
0:14:17 > 0:14:19- I don't even own one!
0:14:19 > 0:14:22- The birds don't mind - if we don't wear helmets!
0:14:23 > 0:14:27- It's just those rogues in Cardiff - or wherever they are!
0:14:28 > 0:14:31- If they had to wear them, - they'd put a stop to it!
0:14:31 > 0:14:32- Can't you have a word with them?
0:14:32 > 0:14:34- Can't you have a word with them?- - They wouldn't take any notice of me!
0:14:35 > 0:14:38- They might give me a row - for not wearing one myself!
0:14:38 > 0:14:41- I was about 16, I think...
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- ..around that age, when I started.
0:14:44 > 0:14:49- You're healthy, considering - that you're out in cold weather.
0:14:49 > 0:14:52- Hedge-laying was more common - back then.
0:14:52 > 0:14:56- Everyone laid their hedges - and ploughed their fields.
0:14:57 > 0:14:59- The dead wood - would be on that side.
0:14:59 > 0:15:02- They'd have swedes - growing in this field.
0:15:02 > 0:15:06- Sheep wouldn't be able - to get at the new shoots.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10- Then in spring, - they'd sow corn in this field.
0:15:10 > 0:15:15- The shoots were able to grow - before the sheep could eat them.
0:15:16 > 0:15:17- That needs to come off.
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- That needs to come off.- - Be careful.
0:15:26 > 0:15:27- Wait - that can go too.
0:15:31 > 0:15:33- Bring that up through there.
0:15:33 > 0:15:35- Bring that up through there.- - What about this?
0:15:39 > 0:15:40- I'll cut it off, shall I?
0:15:40 > 0:15:42- I'll cut it off, shall I?- - It's on your side - you should know.
0:15:42 > 0:15:43- It's an ugly old thing.
0:15:43 > 0:15:46- It's an ugly old thing.- - It's even uglier than me.
0:15:58 > 0:16:01- That bloody camera sees too much.
0:16:09 > 0:16:13- It's alright for you - - you're on the easier side.
0:16:14 > 0:16:16- This bit is infernal.
0:16:16 > 0:16:18- It's infernal.
0:16:19 > 0:16:21- We've only just got enough stakes.
0:16:22 > 0:16:24- I think there are two left.
0:16:26 > 0:16:28- It's getting warm, John.
0:16:29 > 0:16:32- Aye. It's not so bad - in this weather.
0:16:32 > 0:16:37- But in spring, when the sun is out, - it's bloody hard to keep going.
0:16:37 > 0:16:38- And the helmet...
0:16:38 > 0:16:40- And the helmet...- - A helmet is no good.
0:16:41 > 0:16:45- You have to wear one by the roadside - in case someone sees you.
0:16:45 > 0:16:48- But out in the fields - bugger it.
0:16:48 > 0:16:52- Thank God there aren't any women - around to hear John swearing.
0:16:52 > 0:16:54- Do you like the helmet, Basil?
0:16:54 > 0:16:56- Do you like the helmet, Basil?- - No, I don't like the bloody things.
0:16:58 > 0:16:59- No.
0:17:00 > 0:17:03- Health and safety gone mad, - that's what it is.
0:17:03 > 0:17:06- What trees - do you prefer to work with?
0:17:07 > 0:17:08- Thorns?
0:17:08 > 0:17:11- Hazels and blackthorns are the best.
0:17:11 > 0:17:14- Sheep won't go near - blackthorn hedges.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16- The thorns prick them.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18- They make an excellent hedge.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20- But there aren't many blackthorns.
0:17:20 > 0:17:21- But there aren't many blackthorns.- - No, not now.
0:17:21 > 0:17:23- No.
0:17:23 > 0:17:27- They don't grow very well - when you plant them.
0:17:27 > 0:17:30- They don't grow - as well as hawthorns.
0:17:30 > 0:17:34- There won't be much left - of Basil's helmet!
0:17:34 > 0:17:37- The bloody thing's - making my head itch.
0:17:41 > 0:17:44- You need to get a new helmet.
0:17:45 > 0:17:46- I think...
0:17:46 > 0:17:48- I think...- - They cost more than the hedge.
0:17:48 > 0:17:51- He hasn't worked this one out yet!
0:17:54 > 0:17:56- It's not all like this.
0:17:57 > 0:17:59- At the bottom end, there's a slope.
0:17:59 > 0:18:03- You're still doing - the easiest part, though.
0:18:03 > 0:18:06- I have to knock the poles in - and lay the wood.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08- You...
0:18:08 > 0:18:10- He's always in the best place!
0:18:12 > 0:18:17- You'd think he was 100 years old - - he knows all the bloody dodges!
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- I'd say you're doing alright, - both of you!
0:18:23 > 0:18:23- Have you competed much?
0:18:23 > 0:18:25- Have you competed much?- - No, never.
0:18:25 > 0:18:27- No?
0:18:27 > 0:18:28- You just do your work.
0:18:28 > 0:18:32- To earn some beer money - and make a living.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- I'd say it's a job that pays well.
0:18:36 > 0:18:38- Yes, nowadays.
0:18:38 > 0:18:42- I can remember laying hedges - for seven shillings a perch.
0:18:42 > 0:18:45- I'm glad you said perch.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- I was talking to Berwyn, - and he used a different word.
0:18:49 > 0:18:51- But we always used perch.
0:18:51 > 0:18:53- That's right - seven yards.
0:18:53 > 0:18:56- But in Hereford, - a perch is eight yards.
0:18:56 > 0:18:58- Is it? They're more stingy!
0:18:58 > 0:19:00- Yes, they are!
0:19:00 > 0:19:02- It must be ten yards in Cardigan!
0:19:05 > 0:19:07- What about the different styles?
0:19:07 > 0:19:11- We've looked at Montgomeryshire - and Brecknockshire.
0:19:11 > 0:19:16- Some don't use stakes at all - - it's called crop and pleach.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20- It would be difficult - without stakes in this hedge.
0:19:20 > 0:19:24- It wouldn't work at all - - there aren't enough trees.
0:19:24 > 0:19:25- You need lots of trees to do that.
0:19:25 > 0:19:27- You need lots of trees to do that.- - How did you learn, originally?
0:19:28 > 0:19:29- From your father?
0:19:29 > 0:19:32- From your father?- - No. I left school to work on a farm.
0:19:33 > 0:19:37- The farmer's son - and the boss taught me.
0:19:38 > 0:19:40- You learnt as you went along.
0:19:40 > 0:19:44- You were at it every day - throughout winter.
0:19:44 > 0:19:47- You had a tea break at 10.00am, - then laid hedges.
0:19:47 > 0:19:52- Yes, tea at 10.00am and then - we laid hedges until 3.00pm...
0:19:52 > 0:19:54- ..when the cattle came back in.
0:19:55 > 0:19:59- We had to let them out because - there was no water in the sheds.
0:19:59 > 0:20:00- And a pint after finishing?
0:20:00 > 0:20:02- And a pint after finishing?- - Well, no!
0:20:02 > 0:20:04- There wasn't a pub nearby!
0:20:04 > 0:20:08- The nearest pub was in Sennybridge, - five miles away.
0:20:08 > 0:20:09- Did you have a bike?
0:20:09 > 0:20:11- Did you have a bike?- - A bike was all you had.
0:20:11 > 0:20:13- At least driving wasn't a problem.
0:20:14 > 0:20:19- Getting down there was alright, - but coming back wasn't as easy!
0:20:31 > 0:20:35- I'm surprised - that you climb hedges so easily.
0:20:35 > 0:20:39- When you're short of money, - you'll do anything.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42- When a man is short of money, - he'll do anything.
0:20:43 > 0:20:44- He'll make a big effort.
0:20:46 > 0:20:47- Yes, he will.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52- It's alright for you - - you don't know what poverty's like.
0:20:53 > 0:20:55- No doubt.
0:20:55 > 0:20:58- Some people need more money - than others, you see.
0:20:59 > 0:21:00- Some can live frugally.
0:21:00 > 0:21:04- It depends how much time - you spend in the pub!
0:21:04 > 0:21:07- Living frugally - is a different matter.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10- Some of us have no choice - but to live frugally.
0:21:10 > 0:21:13- A pint would be nice - after you finish.
0:21:14 > 0:21:17- Only one thing beats it - two pints!
0:21:17 > 0:21:18- Two pints!
0:21:26 > 0:21:28- You're like a double act.
0:21:28 > 0:21:31- You've been together so long.
0:21:31 > 0:21:33- Do you always work together?
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- Yes... well, no.
0:21:35 > 0:21:36- No, no.
0:21:37 > 0:21:40- John, he says, "Yes, yes!"
0:21:41 > 0:21:42- No...
0:21:42 > 0:21:43- No...- - And he says, "No, no!"
0:21:44 > 0:21:48- I worked with a bloke who worked - with the council during the week.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- Dai James.
0:21:50 > 0:21:54- He usually helped me - with hedge-laying in winter.
0:21:54 > 0:21:57- But we haven't worked together - for years.
0:21:57 > 0:21:58- Basil's cheaper!
0:21:58 > 0:22:01- Basil's cheaper!- - Yes, he doesn't charge so much.
0:22:01 > 0:22:05- Dai wouldn't knock the stakes in. - John had to do that himself.
0:22:06 > 0:22:08- Have you done any hedge-laying, Dai?
0:22:08 > 0:22:10- Have you done any hedge-laying, Dai?- - No, nothing like this.
0:22:10 > 0:22:14- I'd just cut branches - and stick them in the gaps.
0:22:30 > 0:22:31- It looks very different now.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- It looks very different now.- - Yes, it's looking alright now.
0:22:35 > 0:22:36- Yes.
0:22:36 > 0:22:40- Years ago, it was a common craft.
0:22:40 > 0:22:41- Yes.
0:22:42 > 0:22:43- Good fences make good neighbours.
0:22:43 > 0:22:45- Good fences make good neighbours.- - Yes.
0:22:45 > 0:22:47- It's amazing workmanship.
0:22:48 > 0:22:49- There we are then.
0:22:49 > 0:22:50- There we are then.- - Good.
0:22:50 > 0:22:51- Where do we go now?
0:22:51 > 0:22:54- Where do we go now?- - I'm going to look for refreshment.
0:22:55 > 0:22:57- With hops in it.
0:22:58 > 0:22:59- Yes, hops!
0:22:59 > 0:23:02- But not too much!
0:23:02 > 0:23:03- I'll come with you!
0:23:03 > 0:23:07- I don't want tea - - not at this time of the day!
0:23:07 > 0:23:09- No, we don't want tea.
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