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0:00:10 > 0:00:12- # Remember

0:00:21 > 0:00:22- # Remember #

0:00:26 > 0:00:29- Good evening - and a warm welcome to you.

0:00:29 > 0:00:34- Joining me is a performer who's - created many different characters.

0:00:34 > 0:00:36- More than that, - she's a character herself.

0:00:37 > 0:00:39- Hello, Gillian Elisa.

0:00:39 > 0:00:44- I think the most memorable character - was Sab, or Sabrina, in Pobol Y Cwm.

0:00:45 > 0:00:49- Sabrina is very close to my heart, - as you know.

0:00:49 > 0:00:53- She was the first character - I portrayed on television.

0:00:53 > 0:00:56- I was the youngest cast member - at the time.

0:00:57 > 0:01:00- It was a very exciting time.

0:01:01 > 0:01:05- I was acting with Gaynor Morgan - Rees, Lis Miles, Dilys Davies...

0:01:06 > 0:01:08- ..Rachel Thomas and Harriet Lewis.

0:01:08 > 0:01:13- Well, you know, I didn't have much - to say on my first day.

0:01:13 > 0:01:18- Let's see the close relationship - you had with Harriet Lewis...

0:01:18 > 0:01:20- ..or as we know her, Maggie Post.

0:01:23 > 0:01:25- Well, I don't know how you cope.

0:01:26 > 0:01:29- Five in the house? - It must be awkward at times.

0:01:29 > 0:01:33- We've always been five but - they're bound to find us a place.

0:01:33 > 0:01:35- Of course they will.

0:01:35 > 0:01:37- Can you pass me that invoice?

0:01:37 > 0:01:39- This one?

0:01:43 > 0:01:44- Dear me.

0:01:45 > 0:01:46- What's wrong now?

0:01:46 > 0:01:48- What's wrong now?- - I'm thinking about your father.

0:01:49 > 0:01:51- He's still out of work.

0:01:51 > 0:01:53- It's been two months.

0:01:53 > 0:01:55- It's been two months.- - Three.

0:01:55 > 0:01:57- Three months?

0:01:57 > 0:02:00- He's not the only one, though.

0:02:00 > 0:02:02- No, no.

0:02:02 > 0:02:05- A lot of young men too.

0:02:06 > 0:02:11- I heard they had a decent golden - handshake from the Coal Board.

0:02:12 > 0:02:13- Did you?

0:02:13 > 0:02:15- Did you?- - A thousand pounds.

0:02:15 > 0:02:17- Dad didn't say anything about it.

0:02:20 > 0:02:24- I don't know - how we completed that scene.

0:02:24 > 0:02:26- That hat was so comical.

0:02:26 > 0:02:31- If you watch that clip carefully, - we're almost laughing.

0:02:31 > 0:02:35- We were on the edge. - She was the same. We giggled a lot.

0:02:36 > 0:02:38- Did she take you under her wing?

0:02:38 > 0:02:40- Yes. She could also - be very direct with me.

0:02:41 > 0:02:43- "Have you been in that club again?!"

0:02:43 > 0:02:45- "No," I'd reply.

0:02:45 > 0:02:49- I'd laugh all the time - - I never felt she was being nasty.

0:02:49 > 0:02:50- She looked after me.

0:02:50 > 0:02:52- She looked after me.- - Moving to the stage...

0:02:53 > 0:02:56- ..you were part - of the first televised rock opera.

0:02:57 > 0:02:59- It was called Melltith Ar Y Nyth - in 1975.

0:03:00 > 0:03:04- I couldn't believe - they'd given me the part.

0:03:04 > 0:03:07- During the first audition...

0:03:07 > 0:03:11- ..Rhydderch Jones, the director, - was present...

0:03:11 > 0:03:15- ..along with Ruth Price - and Jack Williams.

0:03:15 > 0:03:18- All three - were sitting behind a table.

0:03:18 > 0:03:20- I went in and played the guitar.

0:03:21 > 0:03:27- Ruth Price then said, - "OK, you've proved you can sing.

0:03:27 > 0:03:30- "Is there something you can do - with movement?"

0:03:30 > 0:03:33- "Yes," I replied.

0:03:33 > 0:03:35- "I can do Big Spender."

0:03:35 > 0:03:40- "Right," she replied, - "Can we see Big Spender?"

0:03:40 > 0:03:42- "Right," I replied.

0:03:43 > 0:03:45- "I've got to go out first."

0:03:45 > 0:03:46- "Oh, OK."

0:03:46 > 0:03:51- I went out - and I came back in and sang...

0:03:52 > 0:03:55- # The minute you walked - in the joint, uh-uh... #

0:03:55 > 0:03:57- ..and I also did the orchestration.

0:03:58 > 0:04:01- I stopped and told them - I had to do the orchestration...

0:04:02 > 0:04:04- ..because it was part of the song.

0:04:04 > 0:04:07- # The minute you walked - in the joint, uh-uh

0:04:07 > 0:04:09- # I could see - you were a man of distinction

0:04:09 > 0:04:12- # A real big spender, - hey, big spender

0:04:12 > 0:04:14- # Uh, uh, uh-uh #

0:04:14 > 0:04:19- And they said, "Yes, thank you," - and they gave me the part!

0:04:19 > 0:04:22- Let's see you in action now.

0:04:22 > 0:04:24- We performed it in London.

0:04:25 > 0:04:29- # Beyond the world and its woes

0:04:30 > 0:04:34- # Beyond the pain and misery

0:04:34 > 0:04:39- # Beyond the stars, - you'll find a place

0:04:39 > 0:04:43- # Inside this dream

0:04:44 > 0:04:47- # No-one knows where it's found

0:04:48 > 0:04:52- # This world of perfect peace

0:04:52 > 0:04:57- # I know that a place exists

0:04:57 > 0:05:01- # Beyond the living world

0:05:02 > 0:05:06- # I'm searching for the dream

0:05:06 > 0:05:10- # That will last forever

0:05:11 > 0:05:15- # I heard tales about it

0:05:15 > 0:05:19- # Let me see it

0:05:19 > 0:05:23- # Beyond the world and its woes

0:05:23 > 0:05:27- # Beyond the pain and misery

0:05:27 > 0:05:32- # The dream #

0:05:35 > 0:05:37- That was a beautiful song.

0:05:37 > 0:05:41- It was a very exciting experience - for me.

0:05:41 > 0:05:45- You were then given a role - in a network series...

0:05:45 > 0:05:47- ..called Border Country.

0:05:47 > 0:05:50- The series - was called Border Country...

0:05:50 > 0:05:54- ..and my episode was called - Heyday In The Blood.

0:05:54 > 0:05:58- Donald Houston was the father - and I played his daughter.

0:05:58 > 0:06:00- I was very excited.

0:06:00 > 0:06:04- Donald Houston had appeared - in some great films.

0:06:04 > 0:06:05- It was an honour.

0:06:06 > 0:06:09- Let's see a clip of Border Country.

0:06:12 > 0:06:13- You?

0:06:13 > 0:06:16- Yes. That's how it is.

0:06:18 > 0:06:19- I'm going away.

0:06:20 > 0:06:22- Beti is coming with me.

0:06:23 > 0:06:26- Feel proud of yourself?

0:06:29 > 0:06:30- No.

0:06:30 > 0:06:31- I will try...

0:06:31 > 0:06:35- I will try...- - Try? Don't be daft, man. Shut up.

0:06:39 > 0:06:40- Beti?

0:06:42 > 0:06:43- Yes?

0:06:44 > 0:06:46- Speak plain.

0:06:48 > 0:06:51- You know all.

0:06:52 > 0:06:53- You know.

0:06:55 > 0:06:58- I ask you and ask you.

0:06:59 > 0:07:01- You say nothing.

0:07:03 > 0:07:05- Because...

0:07:06 > 0:07:09- Because I...

0:07:09 > 0:07:11- You understand.

0:07:12 > 0:07:16- Inside me is safe - where things ought to be.

0:07:16 > 0:07:19- Help myself like this all my life.

0:07:19 > 0:07:21- Inside.

0:07:21 > 0:07:25- There is no way out, Dad.

0:07:25 > 0:07:27- Who said?

0:07:27 > 0:07:29- I say.

0:07:33 > 0:07:35- I looked so sad.

0:07:35 > 0:07:37- That dialogue was strange.

0:07:38 > 0:07:40- I had to say unfamiliar sayings.

0:07:40 > 0:07:44- Instead of "go away", - I'd have to say "have be"...

0:07:44 > 0:07:46- ..and "have be" meant go away.

0:07:46 > 0:07:49- It was the Montgomeryshire dialect.

0:07:49 > 0:07:53- It could be rather strange - but it was a great experience.

0:07:53 > 0:07:56- There's a mixture in our next clip.

0:07:56 > 0:07:59- You were part - of the Codi Pais series.

0:07:59 > 0:08:02- Are you someone - who likes the limelight?

0:08:02 > 0:08:05- It was compulsory - if you were part of this series.

0:08:06 > 0:08:08- You can do everything.

0:08:08 > 0:08:12- I enjoy the limelight but - I also enjoy being part of a team.

0:08:12 > 0:08:17- When I was with Eirlys Parry, - Siw Hughes and Sue Roderick...

0:08:17 > 0:08:19- ..if I went over the top...

0:08:19 > 0:08:22- ..they'd look at me and say, - "Right, fine."

0:08:22 > 0:08:25- We got on so well as a team.

0:08:26 > 0:08:28- EERIE MUSIC

0:09:09 > 0:09:15- # When the night comes and the - curtains are drawn in every house

0:09:16 > 0:09:21- # The wind blows through the thorns, - you must have missed it all

0:09:23 > 0:09:30- # Under the shadow of night, - they wait to pull you down now

0:09:31 > 0:09:35- # Ghostly goings on, - is there anyone there now?

0:09:37 > 0:09:39- # Under the moonlight

0:09:40 > 0:09:44- # Under the moonlight

0:09:44 > 0:09:48- # A full moon #

0:09:49 > 0:09:53- My hands are everywhere - in all the singing clips.

0:09:53 > 0:09:57- My body's relatively still - but my hands are everywhere.

0:09:57 > 0:10:00- I love singing when I'm acting.

0:10:01 > 0:10:02- It's part of me.

0:10:02 > 0:10:04- Thank you for now, Gill.

0:10:04 > 0:10:09- In Part 2, we'll leave the acting - and singing for the jokes.

0:10:12 > 0:10:14- # Remember #

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0:10:29 > 0:10:34- Welcome back. - Tonight, Gillian Elisa is my guest.

0:10:34 > 0:10:36- We've heard your singing voice.

0:10:37 > 0:10:41- Years ago, you were a member - of a band called Graffia.

0:10:42 > 0:10:44- You don't have a clip, do you?

0:10:44 > 0:10:47- Before we show it, - how did the group form?

0:10:47 > 0:10:50- I was rather cheeky - in my younger days.

0:10:52 > 0:10:56- I was in the BBC Club - and a band were playing.

0:10:57 > 0:11:01- I told them, "Do you know - what you need? A lead singer.

0:11:02 > 0:11:04- "A female, preferably."

0:11:05 > 0:11:08- "Come over next Thursday," - they said.

0:11:08 > 0:11:11- I went over and I sang my socks off.

0:11:11 > 0:11:13- "You're in," they said.

0:11:13 > 0:11:16- Let's see you singing - your socks off.

0:11:17 > 0:11:20- # Flying like a bird - through a screen of fog

0:11:20 > 0:11:23- # Changing the channels, - it's nothing but a fool's dream

0:11:23 > 0:11:26- # This fire's never-ending, - sparks everywhere

0:11:26 > 0:11:29- # People looking at me

0:11:29 > 0:11:30- # Where did I go?

0:11:41 > 0:11:44- # This life is nothing - but a hall filled with smoke

0:11:44 > 0:11:47- # Boys grow old living bad lives

0:11:47 > 0:11:50- # Girls in their short skirts - showing some leg

0:11:51 > 0:11:53- # Oh, if I could only go to the end

0:11:53 > 0:11:55- # Of my life

0:11:57 > 0:11:59- # Move, move on

0:11:59 > 0:12:01- # Move, move on

0:12:02 > 0:12:03- # Move, move on

0:12:04 > 0:12:06- # Move, move on #

0:12:08 > 0:12:09- Oh, dear me!

0:12:10 > 0:12:12- You said you approached the boys...

0:12:12 > 0:12:16- ..and told them - they needed a lead singer.

0:12:16 > 0:12:18- Are you a pushy person?

0:12:18 > 0:12:21- You need to be vocal - to move on in this world.

0:12:21 > 0:12:27- If I'm in a situation where I see - an opportunity to further myself...

0:12:27 > 0:12:32- ..I say, "I'm available - if you need someone like me."

0:12:32 > 0:12:35- Or "I'm interested."

0:12:35 > 0:12:39- I show willingness - in a sensible way.

0:12:39 > 0:12:42- I don't push myself - in people's faces.

0:12:43 > 0:12:45- There's a way to behave.

0:12:46 > 0:12:48- Are you a confident person?

0:12:48 > 0:12:52- I'm far more confident - than I was years ago.

0:12:53 > 0:12:55- I used to be - a rather insecure person...

0:12:56 > 0:12:59- ..until I was around 50 years old.

0:12:59 > 0:13:02- After that, I worked on myself.

0:13:02 > 0:13:06- I decided to get rid - of a lot of props in my life...

0:13:07 > 0:13:10- ..such as smoking - and drinking alcohol.

0:13:10 > 0:13:13- My life has changed since then.

0:13:13 > 0:13:17- I still get - a little nervous at times...

0:13:18 > 0:13:21- ..but I'm far more at ease now.

0:13:21 > 0:13:27- It's important for me - to be in touch with the real world.

0:13:27 > 0:13:32- Aspects of my life - are lived in a fantasy world.

0:13:32 > 0:13:34- That's why I'm still single.

0:13:34 > 0:13:38- I've had some long relationships, - though!

0:13:38 > 0:13:40- It has affected my private life.

0:13:40 > 0:13:45- What I have in my private life - are my dogs and a lot of friends.

0:13:46 > 0:13:49- I enjoy my own company, - to be honest...

0:13:50 > 0:13:51- ..more than I knew.

0:13:51 > 0:13:54- When I was younger, - I wanted a relationship...

0:13:54 > 0:13:56- ..I wanted someone with me.

0:13:56 > 0:13:59- It's not as important now.

0:13:59 > 0:14:03- I have a lot of male friends...

0:14:03 > 0:14:06- ..but I don't need a partner.

0:14:06 > 0:14:09- Let's change the mood now.

0:14:09 > 0:14:14- You played the part of a seriously - ill mother in a series called Teulu.

0:14:15 > 0:14:19- It was a difficult time - for you personally.

0:14:19 > 0:14:21- Yes, yes.

0:14:21 > 0:14:24- The previous year, - my father died of cancer.

0:14:25 > 0:14:29- In this series, - I played the part of Ann...

0:14:29 > 0:14:32- ..who was dying of cancer.

0:14:33 > 0:14:34- Let's watch a clip.

0:14:38 > 0:14:41- All that's left to do - is sign the forms.

0:14:42 > 0:14:45- You won't have to worry - about it any more, Ann.

0:14:45 > 0:14:48- The children will be safe with me.

0:14:58 > 0:15:00- You'll have to live for me now.

0:15:01 > 0:15:03- Do everything twice over.

0:15:05 > 0:15:08- Give the kids two kisses each - every morning.

0:15:09 > 0:15:10- Will you?

0:15:13 > 0:15:15- I'll be there with you.

0:15:16 > 0:15:19- You won't get rid of me easily.

0:15:29 > 0:15:32- What do you think - is on the other side?

0:15:39 > 0:15:42- It was a part that hit home for you.

0:15:42 > 0:15:46- Well, it's strange - the parts that come one's way.

0:15:46 > 0:15:49- That fitted perfectly at the time.

0:15:50 > 0:15:52- When I was offered the part...

0:15:53 > 0:15:55- ..I didn't know whether I wanted it.

0:15:56 > 0:16:01- Dad had died the previous year - but it was like therapy for me.

0:16:01 > 0:16:03- Work can be therapeutic at times.

0:16:04 > 0:16:07- After the series was aired...

0:16:07 > 0:16:10- ..I was nominated - in the Best Actress category.

0:16:11 > 0:16:14- I didn't expect it - - it was a pleasant surprise.

0:16:14 > 0:16:19- A lot of people thought I'd done - a lot of research for the part.

0:16:19 > 0:16:23- There was no need. - I'd lived through the experience.

0:16:23 > 0:16:28- I just played the part. - I learnt my lines and did it.

0:16:28 > 0:16:34- You've appeared regularly - on Noson Lawen on S4C.

0:16:35 > 0:16:37- Mrs OTT has figured - very prominently.

0:16:38 > 0:16:40- Mrs Olwen Tegwen Thomas.

0:16:41 > 0:16:46- It must be nice playing a part - that pushes you all the way.

0:16:46 > 0:16:51- Every time I play Mrs Olwen Tegwen - Thomas, I feel better afterwards.

0:16:51 > 0:16:54- It's the best tonic you could get.

0:16:54 > 0:16:58- I look as if I've had a facelift, - afterwards.

0:16:58 > 0:17:00- I use every muscle in my body.

0:17:00 > 0:17:03- The double chin comes out.

0:17:03 > 0:17:04- Oh!

0:17:04 > 0:17:07- Afterwards, I feel like a swan.

0:17:07 > 0:17:09- You're from Lampeter.

0:17:09 > 0:17:14- Have you based Mrs OTT on a family - member or someone from Lampeter?

0:17:14 > 0:17:17- There are several people in Mrs OTT.

0:17:17 > 0:17:19- There's a lot of me in Mrs OTT.

0:17:19 > 0:17:25- I have to thank Ifan Gruffydd and - Euros Lewis for these characters.

0:17:27 > 0:17:28- When I was a little girl...

0:17:29 > 0:17:33- ..I'd go to Gwauncaegurwen - to visit Nana Waun.

0:17:33 > 0:17:36- We'd sit around the fire.

0:17:36 > 0:17:39- Auntie Annie was Nana's sister.

0:17:39 > 0:17:42- She lived in the electrical shop.

0:17:42 > 0:17:46- Auntie Annie and Uncle Will - were in the electrical shop.

0:17:47 > 0:17:49- Auntie Annie would call - to see Nana...

0:17:49 > 0:17:53- ..and would sit there - smoking around the fireside.

0:17:53 > 0:17:55- She wore bloomers.

0:17:55 > 0:17:58- She'd enjoy smoking her cigarette...

0:17:58 > 0:18:00- ..and I'd impersonate her.

0:18:00 > 0:18:02- She'd take ages to inhale the smoke.

0:18:04 > 0:18:07- I'd think to myself, - "Just smoke it!"

0:18:09 > 0:18:13- I took all that in - when I was 10 years old...

0:18:13 > 0:18:18- ..and I resurrected her character - in a drama called Boyo...

0:18:18 > 0:18:20- ..with Ronnie Williams.

0:18:20 > 0:18:22- He couldn't stop laughing.

0:18:22 > 0:18:25- We'd sing in the chapel - with delayed vibratos.

0:18:26 > 0:18:30- # I ask not for... #

0:18:30 > 0:18:34- That character was based - on Auntie Annie.

0:18:34 > 0:18:38- Then Nana Waun, "Act me - putting the coal on the fire."

0:18:38 > 0:18:42- That's all I would do and they - would laugh their heads off.

0:18:43 > 0:18:45- Can I stand up for this?

0:18:45 > 0:18:48- I'd fetch the bucket - from the kitchen...

0:18:48 > 0:18:50- ..and limp towards the fireplace.

0:18:50 > 0:18:54- This leg would go out and I'd - scoop the coal into the fire.

0:18:55 > 0:18:57- They thought it was hilarious.

0:18:57 > 0:19:00- I'd noticed - how she stretched her leg out.

0:19:00 > 0:19:02- It's almost slapstick.

0:19:04 > 0:19:06- She was in pain.

0:19:06 > 0:19:09- She had arthritis...

0:19:09 > 0:19:12- ..but she could laugh - through the pain.

0:19:12 > 0:19:14- That kept them going.

0:19:14 > 0:19:18- I enjoyed making them happy.

0:19:18 > 0:19:22- You've performed - at the Edinburgh Fringe.

0:19:22 > 0:19:26- Do you need to be in front - of an audience to keep going?

0:19:26 > 0:19:31- There's something special - about being in front of an audience.

0:19:31 > 0:19:35- I'd open an envelope - just to be in front of an audience.

0:19:35 > 0:19:40- If you don't do something in front - of an audience, you lose confidence.

0:19:40 > 0:19:45- The reason I went to Edinburgh - was to perform for an audience...

0:19:45 > 0:19:47- ..who didn't know me.

0:19:47 > 0:19:49- It was a challenge.

0:19:49 > 0:19:56- What I took from the performance - in Edinburgh...

0:19:56 > 0:20:00- ..was the sense that it made me - stronger as a performer.

0:20:00 > 0:20:04- Had I not gone there, - I wouldn't be as I am today.

0:20:04 > 0:20:10- We're going to see a young Mrs OTT. - Here you are as Tomi's mother.

0:20:15 > 0:20:16- Tomi?

0:20:16 > 0:20:18- Tomi?- - Mam!

0:20:18 > 0:20:20- Tomi? Where are you?

0:20:33 > 0:20:35- Where have you been?

0:20:35 > 0:20:37- Where have you been?- - Underground, Mam.

0:20:37 > 0:20:42- Get out of there. What are you doing - down there? Your feet are soaking.

0:20:42 > 0:20:45- You look very pretty tonight.

0:20:46 > 0:20:48- Are you off to bingo?

0:20:48 > 0:20:52- Or is the milkman taking you out - to watch that film?

0:20:52 > 0:20:55- You've been five times this week.

0:20:55 > 0:20:56- Excuse me.

0:20:57 > 0:20:58- Ouch!

0:21:00 > 0:21:03- How did you - find yourself underground?

0:21:03 > 0:21:08- We reached this place - where they keep a lot of old women.

0:21:09 > 0:21:10- What are you on about?

0:21:10 > 0:21:13- What are you on about?- - A muse-e-mum!

0:21:15 > 0:21:18- We were down there for ages.

0:21:18 > 0:21:22- We were going around and around - all these dark tunnels.

0:21:22 > 0:21:28- Bleddyn said - we might find Arthur's cave.

0:21:28 > 0:21:32- I said, "Don't be so silly.

0:21:32 > 0:21:34- "He lives in Yorkshire."

0:21:38 > 0:21:41- Do you know what we saw first, Mam?

0:21:41 > 0:21:46- A big board on the wall with - colliers standing in front of it.

0:21:46 > 0:21:49- Bleddyn said it was the coal board.

0:21:55 > 0:21:59- I don't know how I kept - a straight face working with Ifan.

0:22:00 > 0:22:04- He's an actor and comedian - with whom I loved working.

0:22:04 > 0:22:05- He helped me so much.

0:22:06 > 0:22:10- He helped me gain confidence - to do comedy on my own.

0:22:10 > 0:22:12- Going back to Tomi's mother...

0:22:13 > 0:22:17- ..there was one Noson Lawen - where the producer asked me...

0:22:18 > 0:22:21- ..if I could perform - as Mrs Thomas without Tomi.

0:22:21 > 0:22:24- I didn't think I could do it alone.

0:22:24 > 0:22:27- That was the starting point - for Mrs OTT.

0:22:27 > 0:22:31- I had to give this lady a name - - Mrs Olwen Tegwen Thomas.

0:22:31 > 0:22:35- She was Tomi's mother - and she became Mrs OTT.

0:22:35 > 0:22:40- She's almost a different character - but that's how she came about.

0:22:42 > 0:22:44- What's next for Gillian Elisa?

0:22:44 > 0:22:46- What's next? Goodness knows.

0:22:46 > 0:22:49- I'm available. - I'm willing to do anything.

0:22:49 > 0:22:53- I'm doing a lot of shows - which last two hours.

0:22:53 > 0:22:55- They're bilingual shows.

0:22:55 > 0:23:00- All this has happened - since I performed in Edinburgh.

0:23:00 > 0:23:05- They're going down very well, - especially with learners.

0:23:05 > 0:23:10- I sing in Welsh and English.

0:23:10 > 0:23:12- I sing River Deep Mountain High...

0:23:13 > 0:23:16- ..bilingually, bilaterally - and by myself!

0:23:17 > 0:23:20- On that note, thank you. - It's been a great journey.

0:23:21 > 0:23:22- Thank you.

0:23:22 > 0:23:25- Until next time, - from us all here, goodnight.

0:23:30 > 0:23:32- # Remember

0:23:40 > 0:23:42- # Remember #

0:23:47 > 0:23:49- S4C Subtitles by Simian 04 Cyf.

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