Clive Rowlands

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0:00:26 > 0:00:30- Good evening, and welcome - to another edition of Cofio.

0:00:30 > 0:00:32- My guest is a remarkable man.

0:00:32 > 0:00:35- He's unique in rugby history.

0:00:35 > 0:00:40- He's captained, coached, managed - and presided over the Welsh team.

0:00:40 > 0:00:42- He did all that from the heart.

0:00:42 > 0:00:45- He's a man who is full of emotion.

0:00:45 > 0:00:47- A warm welcome, Clive Rowlands.

0:00:47 > 0:00:50- A warm welcome, Clive Rowlands.- - Thanks, it's my pleasure to be here.

0:00:50 > 0:00:53- Rugby's been important to you - all your life.

0:00:53 > 0:00:58- Yes, it's been a small part of my - life and has its place in my heart.

0:00:59 > 0:01:01- The heart often rules the head.

0:01:01 > 0:01:04- I love the game - and it's true that rugby is my life.

0:01:05 > 0:01:08- You were a respected coach, - as we'll hear now.

0:01:08 > 0:01:12- These are the words - of some of the greats of Welsh rugby.

0:01:16 > 0:01:20- He's a man who shows emotion - in all walks of life.

0:01:20 > 0:01:23- The emotion is even stronger - if it's to do with Wales.

0:01:24 > 0:01:26- It's a factor that comes into play.

0:01:26 > 0:01:29- When he's coaching the Welsh team...

0:01:29 > 0:01:33- ..within ten minutes - of seeing the lads in red shirts...

0:01:34 > 0:01:36- ..he gets emotional and it shows.

0:01:36 > 0:01:40- Take Barry John, for example.

0:01:40 > 0:01:44- Barry always laughs at me, - but I can't be cross with him.

0:01:44 > 0:01:47- I have to get cross at times.

0:01:47 > 0:01:51- Gareth's different. - He needs the big game build up.

0:01:52 > 0:01:53- He's just like me.

0:01:54 > 0:01:56- He's such a good motivator.

0:01:56 > 0:02:00- He gets the adrenalin - flowing in your blood system.

0:02:00 > 0:02:06- He gets your heart beating furiously - even before the game gets under way.

0:02:06 > 0:02:10- In the two or three days - before match day, he's relentless.

0:02:10 > 0:02:13- He makes you focus on the game.

0:02:13 > 0:02:15- It's his chief attribute.

0:02:15 > 0:02:18- Out on the field, - you're ready to do anything.

0:02:18 > 0:02:20- You'd die for your country.

0:02:22 > 0:02:24- Clive's the sort of bloke...

0:02:24 > 0:02:27- ..who can draw the best - from the players he's got.

0:02:27 > 0:02:30- He gets on well with the boys too.

0:02:30 > 0:02:33- It's important - for a coach to do that...

0:02:33 > 0:02:36- ..rather than staying aloof.

0:02:36 > 0:02:40- Break, Dai, break to the open, - and just feed him.

0:02:40 > 0:02:43- I think he's at his best - with the forwards.

0:02:43 > 0:02:45- As he was a scrum-half...

0:02:45 > 0:02:50- ..two yards away from the forward - row, constantly hassling them...

0:02:50 > 0:02:55- ..he's brought that knowledge into - coaching sessions with the team.

0:02:55 > 0:02:58- Come on then, over to the ruck. - Come on, run!

0:03:01 > 0:03:04- A few players paid tribute there.

0:03:05 > 0:03:07- They talked about your coaching.

0:03:07 > 0:03:10- Does psychology - play a big part in coaching?

0:03:11 > 0:03:13- You have to get into their minds.

0:03:13 > 0:03:18- There was no point shouting - at Barry, he'd take no notice.

0:03:18 > 0:03:21- If I gave Gareth a hard time, - he'd be concerned.

0:03:21 > 0:03:25- You really had to treat - each player differently.

0:03:26 > 0:03:28- Dai Morris is the best example.

0:03:28 > 0:03:30- He'd just look at you.

0:03:30 > 0:03:32- You'd say something...

0:03:32 > 0:03:35- ..and you'd know he was with you.

0:03:35 > 0:03:37- Everyone is different.

0:03:37 > 0:03:39- They were all individuals.

0:03:39 > 0:03:42- But to get the best out of them...

0:03:42 > 0:03:47- ..you had to get each individual - to work with the other fourteen.

0:03:47 > 0:03:50- To be a coach, - also a player, as you were...

0:03:50 > 0:03:52- ..you had be very fit.

0:03:52 > 0:03:54- Let's go back to your childhood days.

0:03:55 > 0:03:57- Didn't you suffer a serious illness?

0:03:57 > 0:04:00- Didn't you suffer a serious illness?- - Every member of my family suffered.

0:04:00 > 0:04:04- First, my father fell victim - to an illness contracted as a miner.

0:04:05 > 0:04:07- As a child, I had TB - tuberculosis.

0:04:07 > 0:04:09- It was hard.

0:04:10 > 0:04:12- I had two older sisters.

0:04:12 > 0:04:15- They both had TB too.

0:04:15 > 0:04:18- It was very difficult - for my parents.

0:04:19 > 0:04:23- These next images show - how dreadful the disease was.

0:04:31 > 0:04:34- Tuberculosis or consumption.

0:04:36 > 0:04:39- "Y diciau" or "darfodedigaeth".

0:04:41 > 0:04:44- With its different names, - this infectious disease...

0:04:45 > 0:04:48- ..affected - tens of thousands in Wales.

0:04:48 > 0:04:51- Many were children or young people.

0:04:57 > 0:05:00- Effective medication - was in short supply.

0:05:00 > 0:05:04- Respiratory treatment was extreme - was a case of trial and error.

0:05:08 > 0:05:11- Young patients - were taken away from their families.

0:05:12 > 0:05:15- Isolation hospitals - were set up all over Wales

0:05:17 > 0:05:19- Not everyone won the battle.

0:05:32 > 0:05:35- How long did you spend - in the sanatorium?

0:05:35 > 0:05:37- Two years.

0:05:37 > 0:05:40- I spent almost a year - in Craig y Nos...

0:05:40 > 0:05:45- ..and the remainder at - Highland Moor in Llandrindod Wells.

0:05:45 > 0:05:47- They were contrasting treatments.

0:05:48 > 0:05:52- At Craig y Nos, you were - in hospital and fairly immobile.

0:05:52 > 0:05:56- I was then transferred - to Llandrindod Wells.

0:05:56 > 0:05:59- Exercise and fresh air - were all part of the regime.

0:05:59 > 0:06:03- That film gave me a shock - as I hadn't seen it before.

0:06:04 > 0:06:07- It brought back vivid memories.

0:06:07 > 0:06:11- Seeing that balcony - and all the beds on the balcony...

0:06:11 > 0:06:14- ..I remember as a seven-year-old...

0:06:14 > 0:06:18- ..being out on the balcony - in the middle of winter.

0:06:18 > 0:06:20- A tarpaulin was draped on the bed.

0:06:21 > 0:06:23- Its purpose was not to give warmth.

0:06:23 > 0:06:26- It kept rain and snow off the bed!

0:06:26 > 0:06:29- It was very, very cruel.

0:06:30 > 0:06:34- At the time, it was considered - to be the appropriate treatment.

0:06:34 > 0:06:39- I recall, and I can feel it now, - the experience of having an X-ray.

0:06:39 > 0:06:42- A set procedure had to be followed.

0:06:42 > 0:06:44- Your arms went behind your back.

0:06:45 > 0:06:47- You stood by a very cold machine.

0:06:48 > 0:06:50- That's how the X-ray was done.

0:06:50 > 0:06:53- You couldn't move, - and had to hold your breath...

0:06:54 > 0:06:57- ..so that an accurate image - could be taken.

0:06:58 > 0:07:02- Also, a tube was sometimes - inserted down your throat

0:07:02 > 0:07:04- Tablets were taken in that way. - Awful!

0:07:05 > 0:07:09- Didn't your two sisters - also suffer from the illness?

0:07:09 > 0:07:14- Yes, and my elder sister, - Megan, died at the age of 24.

0:07:15 > 0:07:19- I was one of the lucky ones - in the six to ten years age group.

0:07:19 > 0:07:23- You'd see your mother - once every two months usually.

0:07:23 > 0:07:25- That in itself was cruel.

0:07:25 > 0:07:28- But I was allowed - to see Mam nearly every day.

0:07:28 > 0:07:32- As my sister was so ill, - she'd visit her and then see me!

0:07:32 > 0:07:35- To this day, I never wear a vest...

0:07:35 > 0:07:38- ..to avoid restricting - my ventilation.

0:07:38 > 0:07:42- Yes, it was a sad time - but I'm glad I had the treatment.

0:07:43 > 0:07:47- It's struck a chord again recently - that I'm still healthy.

0:07:47 > 0:07:50- Your father died - when you were quite young.

0:07:50 > 0:07:56- I was ten years old and about to sit - the eleven-plus examination.

0:07:56 > 0:07:58- He was a relatively young man.

0:07:58 > 0:08:01- He was 52 years old, I believe.

0:08:01 > 0:08:04- The important point about his death - is this.

0:08:04 > 0:08:07- Everyone in the village knew - what was the cause death.

0:08:07 > 0:08:10- The effects of that vile dust.

0:08:10 > 0:08:14- It was found in all the coal mines - in the upper Swansea Valley.

0:08:14 > 0:08:16- The official cause of death...

0:08:17 > 0:08:19- ..was thrombosis...

0:08:19 > 0:08:21- ..so the certificate said.

0:08:21 > 0:08:23- "Aggravated by pneumoconiosis."

0:08:24 > 0:08:27- It should have been - the other way around.

0:08:27 > 0:08:31- But as thrombosis was listed first, - Mam was not compensated...

0:08:31 > 0:08:34- ..nor did she get free coal.

0:08:34 > 0:08:38- Just imagine the hardship - of no money and no coal.

0:08:38 > 0:08:41- It was hard for her, of course.

0:08:41 > 0:08:45- As well as the colliery, there was - another employer in the area.

0:08:45 > 0:08:46- It was the Tick Tock factory.

0:08:47 > 0:08:51- Tick Tock was a real tonic - for the Swansea Valley, in my view.

0:08:51 > 0:08:54- There was a workforce - of about 2,000...

0:08:54 > 0:08:57- ..which included Edna, - my second sister.

0:08:57 > 0:09:00- She worked there for many years.

0:09:00 > 0:09:02- Consider the size of a wristwatch...

0:09:02 > 0:09:05- ..manufactured with tiny components.

0:09:05 > 0:09:07- It was work - that appealed to a collier.

0:09:07 > 0:09:10- He transformed the way he worked.

0:09:10 > 0:09:13- His mandrel was now - a micro instrument.

0:09:14 > 0:09:17- A collier had the skill - to turn his hand to anything.

0:09:17 > 0:09:20- We have a chance now to see both.

0:09:20 > 0:09:24- First, it's the colliery - and then the Tick Tock factory.

0:09:27 > 0:09:30- # Leaving home at the crack of dawn

0:09:30 > 0:09:33- # From a warm bed to the cold air #

0:09:33 > 0:09:37- No tool involved in mining - was ever light to carry.

0:09:37 > 0:09:41- Everything was heavy - the iron, - the hammer, the sledge.

0:09:41 > 0:09:45- Everything was heavy there. - Nothing was light.

0:09:48 > 0:09:51- When I started, - they used the very old system.

0:09:51 > 0:09:54- They called it pillar and stall.

0:09:54 > 0:09:59- Then, the conveyers - were gradually introduced.

0:09:59 > 0:10:02- Afterwards, some time later...

0:10:02 > 0:10:06- ..the very large machinery - was introduced and utilized.

0:10:07 > 0:10:11- The noise was so incessant - and there was all that dust.

0:10:11 > 0:10:13- It was hell beneath the earth.

0:10:56 > 0:11:00- The work at Tick Tock - involved great attention to detail.

0:11:00 > 0:11:02- It was entirely different work.

0:11:03 > 0:11:08- I worked at Tick Tock - with my friend, John Elgar Williams.

0:11:08 > 0:11:11- During summer holidays, - we were the gardeners!

0:11:11 > 0:11:16- Tick Tock was a blessing - for the Swansea Valley.

0:11:16 > 0:11:18- Was it a close-knit community?

0:11:19 > 0:11:21- Everyone came - from a similar background...

0:11:21 > 0:11:24- ..and worked - in a similar environment.

0:11:24 > 0:11:28- Swansea Valley - is full of close-knit communities...

0:11:28 > 0:11:33- ..Ystalyfera, Cwmtwrch, Cwmllynfell, - Abercraf, Ystradgynlais, Brynaman...

0:11:33 > 0:11:35- ..it's the same everywhere.

0:11:35 > 0:11:39- Gifted, talented people lived - within the coal-mining communities.

0:11:40 > 0:11:44- But most coal miners' children - would choose to go off to college!

0:11:45 > 0:11:47- I thought I wanted to be a miner.

0:11:47 > 0:11:51- Mam said, - "No, it's college for you, my boy."

0:11:51 > 0:11:54- I wasn't brainy, - but I managed to go to a college.

0:11:55 > 0:11:59- You know, I speak to friends - who used to work underground.

0:12:00 > 0:12:02- They were very happy in their work.

0:12:02 > 0:12:06- There was a friendly atmosphere, - one way or another...

0:12:06 > 0:12:08- ..within that subterranean world.

0:12:09 > 0:12:11- It was the comradeship, wasn't it?

0:12:11 > 0:12:14- That comradeship - must have been wonderful.

0:12:15 > 0:12:18- We'll leave it there for now, Clive.

0:12:18 > 0:12:21- When you rejoin us, we'll travel - to the ends of the earth.

0:12:22 > 0:12:26- We'll see a horrific injury and find - out why Clive is Lord Cwmtwrch.

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0:12:41 > 0:12:45- Welcome back to Cofio. - My guest is Clive Rowlands.

0:12:46 > 0:12:49- It's obvious that Cwmtwrch - is very dear to you, Clive.

0:12:50 > 0:12:53- However, you've also - been able to travel the world.

0:12:54 > 0:12:58- Which country do you feel - has left the greatest impression?

0:12:59 > 0:13:01- South Africa.

0:13:01 > 0:13:03- There are many reasons for that.

0:13:03 > 0:13:07- First, it was where - I went on my first rugby tour.

0:13:07 > 0:13:11- I was a member of the Welsh - Secondary Schools team...

0:13:11 > 0:13:13- ..in 1956, at the age of 18 years.

0:13:14 > 0:13:18- I think it left an impression - on all of us as young men.

0:13:18 > 0:13:20- We witnessed first hand...

0:13:20 > 0:13:23- ..black people on the street...

0:13:23 > 0:13:26- ..but no white people - talking to them.

0:13:26 > 0:13:30- On buses, there'd be - white people sitting in the front.

0:13:30 > 0:13:33- Black people had to sit in the back.

0:13:33 > 0:13:37- There were also roadside benches - to rest.

0:13:37 > 0:13:41- There would be notices such as "For - Black People" or "For White People".

0:13:41 > 0:13:44- I returned there - eight years later...

0:13:44 > 0:13:48- ..as the captain - of the Welsh national rugby team.

0:13:48 > 0:13:54- I saw similar regulations - but with a few changes.

0:13:54 > 0:13:57- They were only minor adjustments.

0:13:57 > 0:13:59- It was strange playing there.

0:13:59 > 0:14:02- Black men watched the rugby matches.

0:14:02 > 0:14:06- They would cheer for Wales, - not their own country.

0:14:06 > 0:14:10- As it happens, - we have a clip from that era.

0:14:11 > 0:14:15- Here's Clive, captain of Wales, - relaxing with the rest of the team.

0:14:16 > 0:14:19- They're on the beach - in Durban, back in 1964.

0:14:21 > 0:14:25- The team spirit - shown by the Welsh party...

0:14:25 > 0:14:27- ..is exemplified off the field.

0:14:28 > 0:14:32- Dai Hayward, Mr Universe 1891, - and fly-half David Watkins.

0:14:32 > 0:14:35- Newport/Cardiff rivalry, - and a handful of sand.

0:14:35 > 0:14:40- And if Wales lost yesterday, - commentator Alun Williams...

0:14:40 > 0:14:45- ..loses a battle with John Dawes and - Haydn Morgan in the Indian Ocean.

0:14:45 > 0:14:48- Neath's Ron Waldron has had enough.

0:14:48 > 0:14:53- Maybe the intake of Indian Ocean - has been a little too much for him.

0:14:53 > 0:14:59- Skipper Clive Rowlands was known - affectionately on tour as Top Cat.

0:14:59 > 0:15:04- And this is Dibble, Llanelli hooker - Norman Gale, who calls it a day.

0:15:04 > 0:15:05- So does Haydn Morgan.

0:15:06 > 0:15:11- Denzil Williams checks that all - have returned to the beach...

0:15:11 > 0:15:15- ..including Haydn Morgan, - Alun Pask and Allan Lewis.

0:15:17 > 0:15:19- Those were the days of apartheid.

0:15:19 > 0:15:23- I'd imagine that was a beach - exclusively for white people.

0:15:23 > 0:15:25- Yes, only white people were there.

0:15:26 > 0:15:28- I went back there again in 1974.

0:15:28 > 0:15:30- I was coaching in Natal.

0:15:30 > 0:15:36- I remember making a request when I - was invited to work in Natal.

0:15:36 > 0:15:39- "I hope you give me - the opportunity...

0:15:39 > 0:15:43- "..to coach the black - as well as the white."

0:15:43 > 0:15:46- They granted one day for me - to do so - my only day off.

0:15:46 > 0:15:50- I only had one free day - and that was the day I went!

0:15:50 > 0:15:53- It left a lasting impression on me.

0:15:53 > 0:15:55- I went there to coach those men.

0:15:55 > 0:15:58- There were some exceptional players.

0:15:58 > 0:16:02- In fairness, - Natal helped them a lot after that.

0:16:03 > 0:16:07- It's clear nowadays - in South African rugby...

0:16:07 > 0:16:09- ..they have an excellent squad.

0:16:10 > 0:16:12- Teams include - skilled black rugby players.

0:16:13 > 0:16:18- When he played against another - southern hemisphere team...

0:16:18 > 0:16:20- ..Clive was seriously injured.

0:16:20 > 0:16:23- This is Wales - versus the All Blacks in 1963.

0:16:29 > 0:16:34- The All Blacks had already - defeated Ireland in Dublin.

0:16:34 > 0:16:39- Wales faced an uphill task - at the Arms Park that afternoon.

0:16:42 > 0:16:47- It was a close encounter - but New Zealand prevailed again.

0:16:51 > 0:16:55- But the match will be remembered - for another reason.

0:16:56 > 0:17:01- Welsh captain, Clive Rowlands, - was floored seconds from the end...

0:17:01 > 0:17:05- ..by an uncompromising tackle - by Colin Meads.

0:17:09 > 0:17:13- The pain suffered was evident - on Clive Rowlands's face.

0:17:14 > 0:17:19- Clive couldn't play for months - following his spinal injury.

0:17:41 > 0:17:42- APPLAUSE

0:17:51 > 0:17:53- How do you feel watching that?

0:17:54 > 0:17:56- I feel it now!

0:17:58 > 0:18:00- What he did was really bad...

0:18:00 > 0:18:03- ..although men often - played like that then.

0:18:03 > 0:18:08- The ball would come back to the - scrum-half from the line-outs.

0:18:08 > 0:18:11- Their man, Briscoe, - would kick it over the line-out.

0:18:12 > 0:18:16- Colin Meads was well on his way - even before he'd kicked it.

0:18:16 > 0:18:19- You could argue that he was offside.

0:18:19 > 0:18:22- I recall going to cover - and my back was turned.

0:18:23 > 0:18:25- I called for the mark.

0:18:25 > 0:18:27- Colin Meads came flying towards me.

0:18:28 > 0:18:32- He put his hands on my shoulders - and he kneed me in the backside.

0:18:32 > 0:18:36- Seeing it now, - with me going up in the air...

0:18:36 > 0:18:38- ..it was despicable in a way.

0:18:38 > 0:18:43- He was a gifted player but - his actions were stupid at times.

0:18:43 > 0:18:44- Have you spoken to him since?

0:18:44 > 0:18:46- Have you spoken to him since?- - Many times, teasing him about it.

0:18:46 > 0:18:49- He said I was a Hollywood actor.

0:18:49 > 0:18:51- "No, no, I didn't hurt him."

0:18:51 > 0:18:53- It was quite a bad experience.

0:18:54 > 0:18:57- When I reflect on that tackle...

0:18:57 > 0:19:01- ..I still suffer backache which - I'm sure is linked to the injury.

0:19:01 > 0:19:04- I still have two screws in my back.

0:19:04 > 0:19:06- It's hard to believe.

0:19:07 > 0:19:10- The St John's ambulancemen - weren't sure what to do.

0:19:10 > 0:19:13- It was a major injury after all.

0:19:13 > 0:19:15- The situation is so different - nowadays.

0:19:16 > 0:19:19- There'd be the stretcher, - the neck brace and so on.

0:19:20 > 0:19:24- They don't carry you off the field - the way I was carried off there.

0:19:25 > 0:19:26- You were obviously in pain.

0:19:26 > 0:19:28- You were obviously in pain.- - That's it, I had passed out.

0:19:29 > 0:19:31- By the time I got there, - I was out of it.

0:19:31 > 0:19:36- The advantage of being injured in - a place such as the old Arms Park...

0:19:36 > 0:19:39- ..there were plenty - of doctors at hand.

0:19:40 > 0:19:42- They'd be in the changing room - immediately.

0:19:43 > 0:19:46- There were medics, - orthopaedic surgeons and so on...

0:19:46 > 0:19:49- ..competent doctors - to examine players.

0:19:49 > 0:19:50- Looking at it made me shiver.

0:19:51 > 0:19:55- Is the game less dangerous - since the introduction of new rules?

0:19:55 > 0:19:59- The linesmen carrying flags - are significant and have their say.

0:19:59 > 0:20:02- Television cameras - can also see what goes on.

0:20:02 > 0:20:07- If there's an infringement, even - if it's missed by the referee...

0:20:07 > 0:20:10- ..it can be dealt with nowadays - due to TV footage.

0:20:10 > 0:20:12- The game has changed - in that respect.

0:20:13 > 0:20:16- The All Blacks that day were great.

0:20:16 > 0:20:20- We only lost by six points to nil - and they didn't score a try.

0:20:20 > 0:20:23- But they were a very good team.

0:20:23 > 0:20:29- Looking back, you've had your share - of suffering, including cancer.

0:20:29 > 0:20:31- Yes, the cancer's cleared.

0:20:31 > 0:20:33- I had bowel cancer...

0:20:34 > 0:20:36- ..about 15 years ago.

0:20:38 > 0:20:40- It was a difficult experience.

0:20:41 > 0:20:44- I thought my time was up - to tell you the truth.

0:20:44 > 0:20:46- I almost went up there.

0:20:46 > 0:20:48- But I made a full recovery.

0:20:50 > 0:20:54- I had to have an operation, - a colostomy as they say.

0:20:55 > 0:20:58- I then had - what they call an ileostomy.

0:20:58 > 0:21:01- They had to make - several surgical incisions.

0:21:02 > 0:21:04- After all the surgery - came the chemotherapy.

0:21:06 > 0:21:09- The most significant factor - was the rugby spirit...

0:21:10 > 0:21:14- ..the spirit felt when close-knit - communities come together.

0:21:15 > 0:21:17- My wife and children - were supportive...

0:21:17 > 0:21:21- ..and at the same time, they had - a lot of support form others too.

0:21:22 > 0:21:24- Does that spirit exist elsewhere?

0:21:24 > 0:21:29- You'd never get better care than the - care Margaret and everyone gave me.

0:21:29 > 0:21:32- Wales is a very special place.

0:21:32 > 0:21:36- Another special place, - of course, is Cwmtwrch.

0:21:37 > 0:21:40- That's become evident - in our programme tonight.

0:21:40 > 0:21:44- It's so important to Clive, - the worthy Lord of Cwmtwrch!

0:21:47 > 0:21:50- It's a small village.

0:21:50 > 0:21:53- I was raised here - and still live here.

0:21:53 > 0:21:56- It's been important to me - in all I've done.

0:21:56 > 0:22:00- It's a close-knit community - where everyone helps one another.

0:22:00 > 0:22:03- Whatever they do, they do it as one.

0:22:03 > 0:22:05- I feel that's an important factor...

0:22:05 > 0:22:09- ..in any young man's development - and particularly in a rugby town.

0:22:10 > 0:22:12- In class, he was a quiet pupil.

0:22:13 > 0:22:16- He was happy and cheerful, - a pleasant boy.

0:22:16 > 0:22:19- He was always on good terms - with his classmates...

0:22:20 > 0:22:21- ..and with his teachers.

0:22:22 > 0:22:24- He's an excellent lad.

0:22:24 > 0:22:26- He's a good boy and very clever.

0:22:26 > 0:22:31- When he was playing rugby - for Swansea, you knew he was a star.

0:22:31 > 0:22:34- He could pass the ball out, - or he could go it alone.

0:22:35 > 0:22:38- He could also kick it - and protect his forwards.

0:22:39 > 0:22:41- Oh, he won't leave Cwmtwrch.

0:22:41 > 0:22:44- He's building a bungalow - in Cwmtwrch!

0:22:44 > 0:22:48- He's had plenty of offers to leave - home and to leave the valley.

0:22:49 > 0:22:52- But he's firmly rooted in Cwmtwrch.

0:22:52 > 0:22:56- He was always full of beans at home - and he read a lot.

0:22:56 > 0:22:58- He'd go off then...

0:22:58 > 0:23:02- ..to kick his football.

0:23:02 > 0:23:04- They think the world of him here.

0:23:05 > 0:23:08- It's the same everywhere - in this coal-mining region.

0:23:08 > 0:23:13- Lord Cwmtwrch is how - he's addressed, that's his nickname.

0:23:13 > 0:23:15- It's a respectful nickname.

0:23:15 > 0:23:18- No Lord could be more democratic.

0:23:18 > 0:23:23- Whatever success he's achieved, - he's not forgotten his roots.

0:23:25 > 0:23:27- I feel - that you and Cwmtwrch are as one.

0:23:28 > 0:23:30- The village has been good to me.

0:23:30 > 0:23:34- It was nice to see my former school - teacher and Dai Llewelyn.

0:23:34 > 0:23:37- Auntie Bess and others - were there too.

0:23:37 > 0:23:39- It was a very nice clip.

0:23:39 > 0:23:43- I'm proud to have been - brought up there.

0:23:43 > 0:23:48- Clive, thank you so much - for keeping me company tonight.

0:23:48 > 0:23:51- It's been a pleasure - to meet Lord Cwmtwrch!

0:23:52 > 0:23:54- I've really enjoyed it.

0:23:54 > 0:23:56- That's all from us here on Cofio.

0:23:57 > 0:23:58- Goodnight.

0:24:06 > 0:24:08- # Remember

0:24:16 > 0:24:18- # Remember #

0:24:22 > 0:24:24- S4C Subtitles by Simian 04 Cyf.

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