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0:00:25 > 0:00:27- Hello and welcome to Cofio...
0:00:27 > 0:00:31- ..where we get to know - more about our celebrities...
0:00:31 > 0:00:34- ..with the help of archive footage.
0:00:35 > 0:00:40- On the sofa is an actor, singer, - composer and theatre director.
0:00:40 > 0:00:43- He's an author too. - In other words, a very talented man.
0:00:44 > 0:00:46- Moreover, he's shared his gifts...
0:00:47 > 0:00:48- ..by inspiring others.
0:00:49 > 0:00:51- Cefin Roberts, welcome.
0:00:51 > 0:00:52- What a long list!
0:00:52 > 0:00:54- What a long list!- - Well, thank you, Heledd.
0:00:54 > 0:00:59- You recently left - Theatr Genedlaethol Cymru.
0:00:59 > 0:01:02- You were the artistic director.
0:01:02 > 0:01:04- Was it a good time to leave?
0:01:04 > 0:01:06- It's rather curious.
0:01:06 > 0:01:10- Seven-year stints have been - a feature of my career so far.
0:01:11 > 0:01:15- I was a core actor for seven years - with Cwmni Theatr Cymru.
0:01:15 > 0:01:17- I was with Bara Caws - for seven years.
0:01:17 > 0:01:19- We sang as Hapnod - for about seven years.
0:01:20 > 0:01:25- Glanaethwy leased premises - for a seven-year period...
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- ..before our present building - was built.
0:01:28 > 0:01:30- I worked there for seven years...
0:01:31 > 0:01:34- ..before moving on to Theatr - Genedlaethol for seven years.
0:01:35 > 0:01:36- It's a symbolic number.
0:01:36 > 0:01:37- It's a symbolic number.- - It must be, yes.
0:01:37 > 0:01:39- An external force perhaps!
0:01:40 > 0:01:43- We'll go back - to Cefin's days as a performer...
0:01:43 > 0:01:45- ..for our first clip.
0:01:46 > 0:01:48- It's a clip from 1987, - and what a showman!
0:01:49 > 0:01:54- # To fly on the wings of a plane
0:01:56 > 0:02:02- # And fly with the birds up on high
0:02:02 > 0:02:07- # It feels, oh, so good, - in the sky, oh, so blue
0:02:09 > 0:02:12- # As long as I fly
0:02:16 > 0:02:27- # With you #
0:02:35 > 0:02:37- Cha-cha-cha! What a finale.
0:02:38 > 0:02:42- Oh, dear, I hadn't realized - this would be such a cruel show.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44- Do you like performing?
0:02:44 > 0:02:48- Well, yes, - and at that time, I was a performer.
0:02:48 > 0:02:53- My first job - was as an actor with Theatr Cymru.
0:02:53 > 0:02:57- I felt drawn towards - the world of light entertainment.
0:02:57 > 0:03:02- Actors have to be adaptable, - to an extent, and be open to offers.
0:03:02 > 0:03:06- I wrote scripts - and devised choreography.
0:03:06 > 0:03:09- I'd had dancing lessons - as a young lad.
0:03:09 > 0:03:12- I made the most - of the childhood experiences.
0:03:13 > 0:03:17- Mam took me to have singing, - guitar and piano lessons.
0:03:17 > 0:03:21- I went to eisteddfodau, - concerts and dancing classes.
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- But I'd hide my dancing shoes - in case the boys saw them.
0:03:25 > 0:03:28- Could you show off - your talents locally?
0:03:28 > 0:03:33- Oh, certainly, Llanllyfni - was a hive of activity at the time.
0:03:33 > 0:03:36- I was very fortunate - in primary school.
0:03:36 > 0:03:39- The headmaster, Glyn Owen, - led a cerdd dant group.
0:03:39 > 0:03:43- We'd also go to the local hall - to perform the Nativity.
0:03:44 > 0:03:48- The local eisteddfod was also - held at Llanllyfni Memorial Hall.
0:03:48 > 0:03:53- The carnival was important too, - and all kinds of community events.
0:03:53 > 0:03:58- Since you've mentioned it, let's look - back at the Nantlle Vale carnival.
0:04:31 > 0:04:35- It's great seeing that. - It brings back so many memories.
0:04:35 > 0:04:38- It was a community event, - with a lot of nonsense!
0:04:39 > 0:04:41- It wasn't to be taken too seriously.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45- There were sports - - an egg and spoon race and so on.
0:04:45 > 0:04:49- It all made the carnival such fun.
0:04:49 > 0:04:53- It wasn't quite as serious - as the eisteddfod.
0:04:53 > 0:04:57- But people went to a lot of trouble - decking out those lorries.
0:04:58 > 0:05:02- I'd also decorate my bike - for the annual competition.
0:05:02 > 0:05:06- I'd spend night after night on it - only to get third prize!
0:05:07 > 0:05:09- It's the taking part that counts.
0:05:11 > 0:05:13- Are you competitive by nature?
0:05:13 > 0:05:16- Are you competitive by nature?- - Competitive? No, I'm not really.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- I guess that people - out there probably think I am!
0:05:20 > 0:05:23- The element of the performer - in me...
0:05:24 > 0:05:27- ..outshines my competitive instinct.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31- I tell my pupils - to be ready for disappointment.
0:05:32 > 0:05:34- They aren't always going to win...
0:05:34 > 0:05:38- ..but they shouldn't enter a contest - unless they want to win.
0:05:38 > 0:05:43- I've sometimes seen disappointment - turn to bitterness.
0:05:43 > 0:05:45- Once that happens...
0:05:45 > 0:05:47- It's easy to tell the difference.
0:05:47 > 0:05:49- Ohhh... That was disappointment.
0:05:49 > 0:05:51- Bitterness is more... Ooooh.
0:05:51 > 0:05:54- Bitterness is more... Ooooh.- - There's something behind the eyes.
0:05:54 > 0:05:59- That's a subtle difference. - We've all been aware of it.
0:05:59 > 0:06:03- We're experts at competing in Wales. - Everyone sings in a choir.
0:06:03 > 0:06:07- Here's another fact - I try to tell people.
0:06:07 > 0:06:11- Anyone who chooses to perform, - chooses a lifetime of competition.
0:06:11 > 0:06:14- There are auditions for any part.
0:06:14 > 0:06:18- One person gets it, and dozens, - if not hundreds, will be rejected.
0:06:18 > 0:06:21- They have to get used - to that disappointment.
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- One trains oneself - to accept disappointment.
0:06:25 > 0:06:27- Failure makes one carry on - or give up.
0:06:28 > 0:06:31- If the disappointment - becomes bitterness, give up.
0:06:32 > 0:06:34- Some try their best - to bounce back again.
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- "I pick myself up - and get back in the race."
0:06:38 > 0:06:39- Then, you're a performer.
0:06:39 > 0:06:42- Then, you're a performer.- - You learn a lot about yourself.
0:06:42 > 0:06:47- You learned a lot in your youth - as a performer at Urdd eisteddfodau.
0:06:47 > 0:06:50- Well, since I was very young...
0:06:50 > 0:06:54- ..Mam would take me - to the eisteddfod in Llanllyfni.
0:06:54 > 0:06:57- I'd sing a song, - though we had no piano at home.
0:06:57 > 0:07:01- Mam would coach my brother and me - - "One, two, three, four, five, six."
0:07:02 > 0:07:03- # I am Santa Claus #
0:07:04 > 0:07:08- My brother once had stage fright - and he told me to go first.
0:07:09 > 0:07:11- I sang, then my brother went on.
0:07:11 > 0:07:15- I saw him count - "One, two, - three, four, five, six"...
0:07:16 > 0:07:17- ..but he never came in!
0:07:18 > 0:07:20- He knew he'd never be a singer.
0:07:20 > 0:07:25- He didn't carry on, but I did, - while he became a CDT teacher.
0:07:26 > 0:07:28- He taught me at Bro Myrddin.
0:07:28 > 0:07:29- He gave me an A.
0:07:29 > 0:07:31- He gave me an A.- - What an excellent teacher!
0:07:32 > 0:07:35- We have a clip now - of Cefin competing.
0:07:35 > 0:07:38- The clip also shows a young girl...
0:07:38 > 0:07:41- ..who was to become - a key part of his life.
0:07:41 > 0:07:44- We go back 35 years, to Llanelli.
0:07:46 > 0:07:48- # Shine, shine, summer sunshine
0:07:49 > 0:07:52- # Shine, shine, shine, - summer sunshine #
0:07:59 > 0:08:02- In the pavilion, - the rehearsals are over.
0:08:02 > 0:08:05- This is the height of the battle.
0:08:05 > 0:08:07- The nation's best go head to head.
0:08:13 > 0:08:17- # In the whispers - of the fountain of faith
0:08:17 > 0:08:20- # In Lleyn where the rocks are still
0:08:20 > 0:08:24- # In the sounds of songs - from yesteryear
0:08:24 > 0:08:27- # Tales blown on the breeze
0:08:27 > 0:08:32- # To the land of the heights, - take a stroll
0:08:32 > 0:08:37- # It grows late, come to listen #
0:08:39 > 0:08:40- APPLAUSE
0:08:51 > 0:08:56- # Mother of Jesus, - most beautiful virgin of all
0:08:56 > 0:09:05- # Queen of the earth - until time doth end
0:09:05 > 0:09:11- # Lily of the valley, - true rose of heaven
0:09:13 > 0:09:20- # Pray for the soul - of my dearest friend #
0:09:24 > 0:09:25- Do you remember that?
0:09:25 > 0:09:26- Do you remember that?- - Yes, some of it.
0:09:27 > 0:09:30- Did you meet your wife, Rhian, - at an eisteddfod?
0:09:30 > 0:09:35- Yes, we competed in solo - competitions against one another.
0:09:36 > 0:09:38- Rhian sang with her sister, Marian.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42- My duets were sung with Karen.
0:09:42 > 0:09:45- But then, Rhian and I - started singing duets together.
0:09:46 > 0:09:50- Oh, really? - That's how your partnership started.
0:09:50 > 0:09:54- We'll take Cefin - to a very famous Welsh village next.
0:09:54 > 0:09:55- It's Ffalabalam.
0:09:59 > 0:10:03- # Ffalabalam-ba-doodle-am-ba-day #
0:10:07 > 0:10:11- # Gee, little horsey, - clippity-clop
0:10:11 > 0:10:14- # Gee, little horsey - trot, trot, trot
0:10:15 > 0:10:18- # Up to the hilltops, - down to the vale
0:10:18 > 0:10:22- # Onwards and onwards, - watch us sail
0:10:22 > 0:10:24- # Ride little horsey
0:10:24 > 0:10:26- # Ride little horsey
0:10:26 > 0:10:28- # Ride on the wings of the wind
0:10:29 > 0:10:30- # Oh!
0:10:30 > 0:10:33- # Gee, little horsey - clippity-clop
0:10:33 > 0:10:37- # Gee, little horsey - trot, trot, trot
0:10:37 > 0:10:40- # Up to the hilltops, - down to the vale
0:10:40 > 0:10:45- # Onwards and onwards, - watch us sail #
0:10:48 > 0:10:52- That little boy - wasn't very impressed with me!
0:10:52 > 0:10:55- But what horsemanship, Cefin.
0:10:55 > 0:10:58- I'm frightened, - scared stiff of horses.
0:10:58 > 0:11:00- That was quite a tame creature.
0:11:00 > 0:11:05- Ffalabalam became - a kind of cult programme, didn't it?
0:11:05 > 0:11:09- Yes, all presenters fought - to take part in Ffalabalam.
0:11:09 > 0:11:14- It was a great contract - and I did the show for years.
0:11:14 > 0:11:17- And then finally of course...
0:11:17 > 0:11:19- ..you get a bit too old for it all.
0:11:19 > 0:11:25- I recall doing Ffalabalam here, - wearing yellow dungarees.
0:11:25 > 0:11:30- Dad had asked me to collect a Velux - window for our house in Bangor.
0:11:30 > 0:11:32- He'd placed the order for me.
0:11:32 > 0:11:37- I had to go to the builders' yard - in Cardiff to get the window.
0:11:37 > 0:11:43- I sensed all these builders there - giving me really funny looks.
0:11:43 > 0:11:47- I'd gone from the studio - in yellow dungarees and make-up!
0:11:47 > 0:11:48- Hello!
0:11:51 > 0:11:54- They didn't think - I'd be the one fitting it.
0:11:54 > 0:11:57- Really? I wonder why.
0:11:57 > 0:12:01- You've mentioned - your banana-coloured suit.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- But you do love clothes, don't you?
0:12:04 > 0:12:08- I'm interested in fashion - and in clothes through the ages.
0:12:08 > 0:12:12- As a man of the theatre, I have - take an interest in costumes.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- I'd have really loved to live - during the Jacobean period.
0:12:17 > 0:12:21- It's the only time when men dressed - more colourfully than women.
0:12:21 > 0:12:25- My brother took more - of an interest than I did.
0:12:25 > 0:12:29- He'd get catalogues - from Carnaby Street in the 1960s.
0:12:29 > 0:12:32- He'd wear maxis, - those long overcoats
0:12:32 > 0:12:35- It sparked my interest - and in theatrical terms...
0:12:35 > 0:12:37- ..I'd try to upstage him.
0:12:38 > 0:12:40- I succeeded, eventually.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44- That's it for now. - Join us again in Part Two.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50- # Remember #
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0:12:57 > 0:12:59- # Remember #
0:13:00 > 0:13:05- Welcome back. Cefin Roberts joins me - as we bring his past back to life.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08- Let's turn to your acting roles.
0:13:08 > 0:13:13- Coming up is a clip from - the powerful drama Dim Ond Heddiw.
0:13:14 > 0:13:18- You play one of the main characters. - Tell us the background.
0:13:18 > 0:13:22- It was my television debut for HTV.
0:13:22 > 0:13:27- I started out playing the role - of an innocent student...
0:13:28 > 0:13:32- ..but as the series progressed, - the influences of college life...
0:13:33 > 0:13:35- ..started to corrupt his mind.
0:13:35 > 0:13:39- It was the first drugs storyline - in the Welsh language.
0:13:39 > 0:13:41- It was quite a challenging role.
0:13:42 > 0:13:43- It dealt with drugs...
0:13:44 > 0:13:48- ..and the relationships between - students and their lecturers.
0:13:48 > 0:13:51- At that time, - during the early 1970s...
0:13:51 > 0:13:56- ..to deal with those themes, in the - Welsh language, was revolutionary.
0:13:57 > 0:13:58- Here's a clip.
0:14:01 > 0:14:03- Oops!
0:14:05 > 0:14:07- Clumsy.
0:14:07 > 0:14:09- Are you naturally clumsy?
0:14:10 > 0:14:12- Instinctively clumsy?
0:14:13 > 0:14:15- Everybody's clumsy at times.
0:14:15 > 0:14:17- Everybody's clumsy at times.- - No, not everybody.
0:14:18 > 0:14:21- The majority of people, - but not everybody.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23- You're not a clumsy type.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26- Not a morning goes by - without me smashing a cup.
0:14:26 > 0:14:29- I wasn't talking about the morning.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32- I usually sleep like a baby - in the mornings...
0:14:33 > 0:14:35- ..if I've got nothing to do.
0:14:35 > 0:14:36- An alarm?
0:14:36 > 0:14:38- An alarm?- - A clock?
0:14:38 > 0:14:40- You've got the right idea.
0:14:42 > 0:14:43- Hello?
0:14:48 > 0:14:50- I'm home, darling...
0:14:50 > 0:14:53- ..with the best bottle of wine - you'll ever taste.
0:14:55 > 0:14:57- Tonight's a good night.
0:14:57 > 0:14:59- Tonight will be a good night.
0:15:00 > 0:15:01- Ooh!
0:15:14 > 0:15:15- Well, well, well!
0:15:16 > 0:15:20- Doesn't Christine Pritchard have - the most beautiful eyes?
0:15:20 > 0:15:23- I remember them during filming.
0:15:23 > 0:15:26- She's still as stunning today.
0:15:26 > 0:15:28- Yes, they seem to draw you in.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31- What was the public's reaction - to the series?
0:15:31 > 0:15:35- It was a very popular series, - as it happened.
0:15:35 > 0:15:37- It was well received - by young people.
0:15:38 > 0:15:42- It attracted new viewers, - some of whom were narrow-minded.
0:15:42 > 0:15:45- I remember being shocked - at the time...
0:15:45 > 0:15:50- ..because the public - took these storylines so seriously.
0:15:50 > 0:15:54- I was touring with - a stage performance of Esther...
0:15:54 > 0:15:57- ..while the series - was being televised.
0:15:57 > 0:16:03- I was in Porthmadog, sharing a car - with John Ogwen and Maureen Rees...
0:16:03 > 0:16:06- ..and I'd stopped - to buy a Mars bar...
0:16:07 > 0:16:10- ..but the woman in the shop - wouldn't sell me one.
0:16:10 > 0:16:12- I said, "Why not?"
0:16:12 > 0:16:17- She said, "You're the man having - an affair with John Ogwen's wife."
0:16:17 > 0:16:22- I said, "John Ogwen and his wife - are sitting outside in the car.
0:16:22 > 0:16:26- "I'm not having an affair - with his wife."
0:16:26 > 0:16:30- Christine Pritchard and I were - having an affair in the series...
0:16:30 > 0:16:34- ..and the woman in the shop - thought it was real.
0:16:34 > 0:16:40- You were also behind one of S4C's - most ground-breaking programmes.
0:16:40 > 0:16:46- Hapnod combined performing, - singing, acting and satirical comedy.
0:16:46 > 0:16:50- It all started - with Hywel Gwynfryn's show.
0:16:50 > 0:16:53- We performed one song a week, - our own composition.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55- It was quite disciplined.
0:16:56 > 0:17:00- We'd choose a news item each week - and write a song about it.
0:17:00 > 0:17:05- But later, Ruth Price, Head of - Light Entertainment at the BBC...
0:17:05 > 0:17:09- ..thought the potential was there - for a series.
0:17:09 > 0:17:11- And it ran for seven years.
0:17:12 > 0:17:15- Again, they were very interesting - times back then.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18- And very happy times.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20- Here's a reminder of Hapnod.
0:17:22 > 0:17:24- CIRCUS MUSIC
0:17:29 > 0:17:31- # Comedy and tragedy
0:17:32 > 0:17:35- # Are closely linked, so they say
0:17:37 > 0:17:39- # And discord and harmony
0:17:40 > 0:17:43- # Make for a great symphony
0:17:48 > 0:17:50- # But this only goes to show
0:17:50 > 0:17:52- # That sense is sometimes nonsense
0:17:52 > 0:17:54- # And some things are tuneless
0:17:54 > 0:17:57- # For some, the truth is subtle
0:17:58 > 0:18:01- # H and A and P and N
0:18:01 > 0:18:03- # Then O and finally D
0:18:05 > 0:18:07- # Bring it all under one roof
0:18:07 > 0:18:09- # Doh-ray-me-fah-soh-lah-te
0:18:09 > 0:18:12- # Doh-doh-doh-doh #
0:18:14 > 0:18:16- Aah!
0:18:16 > 0:18:20- How did the group dynamics work? - Who was the boss?
0:18:20 > 0:18:23- I'm sure the other three - would say I was the boss...
0:18:23 > 0:18:26- ..but not all of the time.
0:18:26 > 0:18:29- I was the one - who came up with the idea.
0:18:29 > 0:18:33- I'd met Ann, daughter of - the late Wilbert Lloyd Roberts...
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- ..through working with her - in Aberystwyth.
0:18:36 > 0:18:40- We both liked The Swingles - and The King's Singers.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43- Close harmonies. - We wanted to do something similar.
0:18:44 > 0:18:47- I then worked on a pantomime - with Gwyn Vaughan...
0:18:47 > 0:18:51- ..and realized - what a fantastic tenor he was.
0:18:51 > 0:18:54- He had the voice - of the quality needed.
0:18:54 > 0:18:56- But we still needed a soprano.
0:18:56 > 0:18:59- Rhian was at home - with two children...
0:18:59 > 0:19:02- ..singing to Mirain - in the front room...
0:19:02 > 0:19:05- ..and we thought, - she's our soprano!
0:19:05 > 0:19:08- The group grew organically - like that...
0:19:08 > 0:19:10- ..and we started to create - our sound.
0:19:10 > 0:19:15- But despite being very musical, you - don't consider yourself a musician.
0:19:15 > 0:19:19- No, I don't, it's the performer's - instinct in me...
0:19:19 > 0:19:22- ..that brings out - the musical element.
0:19:22 > 0:19:25- Don't get me wrong, - I've studied music.
0:19:25 > 0:19:29- I have an A Level in music - and studied at Trinity College...
0:19:29 > 0:19:35- ..but I've always felt on - the periphery of music, as it were.
0:19:36 > 0:19:39- The scientific - and mathematical elements...
0:19:39 > 0:19:43- ..such as the rights and wrongs - of tone and tempo...
0:19:43 > 0:19:47- ..didn't always appeal to me.
0:19:47 > 0:19:52- The performing aspect led me - in a more theatrical direction...
0:19:52 > 0:19:55- ..where I was able to combine - theatre and music.
0:19:56 > 0:20:00- Ysgol Glanaethwy is celebrating - its 20th anniversary.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03- Yes, it'll be our 21st next year.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- How did the idea of establishing - Glanaethwy come about?
0:20:08 > 0:20:12- As a child, - I'd always had this desire...
0:20:12 > 0:20:15- ..to become some kind of teacher.
0:20:15 > 0:20:20- I never liked winter team games, - such as football and rugby.
0:20:20 > 0:20:23- I was more into tennis - and athletics.
0:20:23 > 0:20:27- I'd get bored when the local boys - would play football...
0:20:27 > 0:20:30- ..or when I didn't have - a singing lesson to attend.
0:20:31 > 0:20:35- I remember seeing the Girl Guides - at the church hall singing...
0:20:35 > 0:20:38- ..# We are the red men, - tall and quaint
0:20:39 > 0:20:41- # In our feathers and war paint
0:20:42 > 0:20:43- # Pow-wow
0:20:43 > 0:20:46- # We are the men - of the old Dun cow #
0:20:46 > 0:20:49- I thought, why is it - that only girls get to do this?
0:20:50 > 0:20:53- It was a time when society - segregated girls and boys...
0:20:54 > 0:20:55- ..much more obviously.
0:20:56 > 0:20:57- I thought, some day...
0:20:57 > 0:21:02- ..I'll create something - in which everyone can take part.
0:21:02 > 0:21:04- Later, I talked it over with Rhian.
0:21:05 > 0:21:07- At the time, she was teaching...
0:21:07 > 0:21:11- ..and I felt I was doing too much - presenting and not enough acting.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14- So Rhian suggested - that we both work...
0:21:15 > 0:21:18- ..on the idea - that I'd always had in mind.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20- And that's how it began.
0:21:20 > 0:21:23- It's been a phenomenal success...
0:21:23 > 0:21:27- ..and Last Choir Standing - is testament to that.
0:21:27 > 0:21:33- Before we discuss the programme, - here's a clip of All That Jazz.
0:21:36 > 0:21:38- # For all
0:21:38 > 0:21:39- # That
0:21:39 > 0:21:42- # Jazz, jazz, jazz, jazz, - and all that jazz
0:21:43 > 0:21:45- # Find a flask, - we're playing fast and loose
0:21:46 > 0:21:47- # And all that jazz
0:21:48 > 0:21:49- # And all that jazz
0:21:49 > 0:21:52- # Right up here - is where I store the juice
0:21:52 > 0:21:54- # And all that jazz
0:21:54 > 0:21:55- # And all that jazz
0:21:56 > 0:21:58- # Come on, babe, - we're gonna brush the sky
0:21:58 > 0:22:02- # I bet you lucky Lindy - never flew so high
0:22:02 > 0:22:05- # Cos in the stratosphere, - how could he lend an ear
0:22:06 > 0:22:08- # To all that
0:22:09 > 0:22:12- # Jazz?
0:22:12 > 0:22:15- # No, I'm no-one's wife
0:22:15 > 0:22:19- # But, oh, I love my life
0:22:19 > 0:22:22- # I love my life, I love my life - and all that jazz
0:22:22 > 0:22:25- # I love my life, I love my life - and all that jazz
0:22:25 > 0:22:28- # And all that jazz, - and all that jazz, and all that jazz
0:22:28 > 0:22:30- # And all
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- # That jazz #
0:22:34 > 0:22:37- That was a very happy time.
0:22:37 > 0:22:40- You'd go back to the hotel - on the Saturday night...
0:22:40 > 0:22:45- ..pick two new songs - to learn on the Monday...
0:22:45 > 0:22:49- ..as well as two songs - to sing with the group.
0:22:49 > 0:22:54- Practise them on the Tuesday, learn - the choreography on Wednesday...
0:22:54 > 0:22:57- ..polish them by Thursday, - back to London on Friday...
0:22:57 > 0:23:00- ..and perform them live - on the Saturday.
0:23:00 > 0:23:02- Did they control you at all?
0:23:02 > 0:23:03- Did they control you at all?- - Yes, they did.
0:23:04 > 0:23:06- They'd tell you to answer - in a certain way.
0:23:07 > 0:23:12- They'd suggest, "I'd be devastated - if we went out of the competition."
0:23:12 > 0:23:16- I'd think, no, there are some - things I can't say on camera.
0:23:16 > 0:23:21- We all know they ask you to say - certain things on reality TV.
0:23:22 > 0:23:24- But you don't have to agree to it.
0:23:24 > 0:23:27- I teach the children - not to be devastated.
0:23:27 > 0:23:30- I didn't want them to see me say - I'd be devastated...
0:23:31 > 0:23:33- ..because we had so much fun.
0:23:33 > 0:23:36- If we were leaving the show, - we wanted to go out smiling.
0:23:37 > 0:23:40- We wanted to show - how much we'd enjoyed the series.
0:23:41 > 0:23:44- Best of luck, - and good luck with your writing.
0:23:44 > 0:23:47- Is that the challenge ahead - for you now?
0:23:47 > 0:23:49- For the next seven years, yes.
0:23:50 > 0:23:52- See you in seven years, then!
0:23:52 > 0:23:54- It's been a real pleasure.
0:23:54 > 0:23:58- That's all from us. - Until next time, goodnight.
0:24:05 > 0:24:07- # Remember
0:24:16 > 0:24:17- # Remember #
0:24:21 > 0:24:24- S4C Subtitles by Simian 04 Cyf.
0:24:24 > 0:24:25- .