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0:00:26 > 0:00:30- Good evening, - and welcome once more to Cofio.
0:00:30 > 0:00:33- My guest is a poet, - author and playwright.
0:00:33 > 0:00:36- I'm joined by a wizard with words.
0:00:36 > 0:00:38- He's one of the Parc Nest boys.
0:00:39 > 0:00:42- Welcome to our Archdruid, - T James Jones.
0:00:42 > 0:00:46- There's only one way - for us to start tonight.
0:00:46 > 0:00:50- Let's look back at some - of your Eisteddfod successes.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53- TRUMPET FANFARE
0:00:59 > 0:01:02- There's silence in the pavilion.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05- There's now a ripple of applause.
0:01:07 > 0:01:09- He's not an unfamiliar face.
0:01:10 > 0:01:12- He's not an unfamiliar voice.
0:01:15 > 0:01:19- Neither is his family unfamiliar.
0:01:20 > 0:01:23- In case he's unknown to some...
0:01:28 > 0:01:31- ..the crowned bard - is Chief Poet T James Jones.
0:01:31 > 0:01:33- APPLAUSE
0:01:33 > 0:01:37- He was the Chief Poet at Fishguard - two years ago.
0:01:42 > 0:01:45- He's one of the sons of Parc Nest...
0:01:45 > 0:01:48- ..Newcastle Emlyn, Carmarthenshire.
0:01:48 > 0:01:50- APPLAUSE
0:01:51 > 0:01:53- The scoreline with his nephew...
0:01:54 > 0:01:56- ..is an interesting one.
0:01:56 > 0:01:59- Dylan has two chairs and a crown.
0:02:00 > 0:02:04- Jim has two crowns and a chair.
0:02:04 > 0:02:07- LAUGHTER
0:02:07 > 0:02:09- Which of these two, I wonder...
0:02:10 > 0:02:13- ..will be the first - to achieve the double-double?
0:02:13 > 0:02:15- APPLAUSE
0:02:20 > 0:02:24- Dylan was mentioned there - - Tudur Dylan, of course.
0:02:24 > 0:02:27- He's the son - of John Gwilym Jones, your brother.
0:02:27 > 0:02:32- Looking back, is it pleasing - to be given that recognition?
0:02:32 > 0:02:35- You've hit the right notes.
0:02:35 > 0:02:39- It's a fine experience, - a real confidence booster.
0:02:39 > 0:02:43- With the Eisteddfod, - you can submit your entry...
0:02:43 > 0:02:45- ..use a nom de plume...
0:02:46 > 0:02:50- ..and then the adjudicators - can be frank and honest.
0:02:50 > 0:02:53- I've lost many times...
0:02:53 > 0:02:55- ..before winning anything.
0:02:56 > 0:02:58- Where did your love of words start?
0:02:59 > 0:03:01- Oh...
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- ..I was taught to recite.
0:03:04 > 0:03:07- That was years ago, - and I went to eisteddfodau.
0:03:08 > 0:03:10- I learnt poetry by heart.
0:03:10 > 0:03:12- After that...
0:03:12 > 0:03:16- ..I began to appreciate - the poets and their skills.
0:03:16 > 0:03:19- I thought I'd try my hand at it.
0:03:19 > 0:03:24- You were responsible for the Welsh - translation of Under Milk Wood.
0:03:24 > 0:03:28- I'd had the opportunity - of playing the First Voice.
0:03:28 > 0:03:31- The production was in Laugharne.
0:03:31 > 0:03:33- Gwynne D Evans was the director.
0:03:33 > 0:03:39- He asked if I'd be interested - in translating the play.
0:03:39 > 0:03:41- Of course, I jumped at the chance.
0:03:42 > 0:03:45- It was a work with which - I was very familiar.
0:03:45 > 0:03:47- I'd been the First Voice, as I said.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50- That was it really.
0:03:50 > 0:03:53- I decided to write it - in my own dialect.
0:03:56 > 0:03:58- Laugharne is in Carmarthenshire.
0:04:02 > 0:04:05- I could bring the characters - to life.
0:04:08 > 0:04:13- I was able to place them, to give - them roots within the county.
0:04:13 > 0:04:16- The county was Carmarthenshire.
0:04:16 > 0:04:21- Here is Jim rehearsing - Dan Y Wenallt with Gwynne.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26- And at the doorway - of Bethesda House...
0:04:26 > 0:04:31- ..the Reverend Jenkins recites - to Llareggub Hill his sunset poem.
0:04:31 > 0:04:33- "Every morning when I wake
0:04:33 > 0:04:36- "Dear Lord, a little prayer I make
0:04:36 > 0:04:38- "O please to keep Thy lovely eye
0:04:38 > 0:04:41- "On all poor creatures born to die.
0:04:41 > 0:04:44- "And every evening at sun-down
0:04:44 > 0:04:46- "I ask a blessing on the town
0:04:46 > 0:04:50- "For whether we last the night or no
0:04:50 > 0:04:53- "I'm sure is always touch and go."
0:04:55 > 0:05:00- As you've probably gathered, - it's a rehearsal for Dan Y Wenallt.
0:05:00 > 0:05:06- It's a translation by Mr James Jones - of Dylan Thomas's Under Milk Wood.
0:05:08 > 0:05:13- Are there any features or problems - associated with this Welsh version?
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- No, I was surprised - by the ease of the translation.
0:05:17 > 0:05:19- I think there's a reason for that.
0:05:19 > 0:05:24- Although Milk Wood was written - in English, it's rhythmically Welsh.
0:05:25 > 0:05:27- Both the melody - and rhythm are very Welsh.
0:05:28 > 0:05:31- Now the town is dusk.
0:05:31 > 0:05:35- Each cobble, donkey, - goose and gooseberry street...
0:05:35 > 0:05:38- ..is a thoroughfare of dusk.
0:05:38 > 0:05:43- And dusk and ceremonial dusk, - and night's first darkening snow...
0:05:43 > 0:05:47- ..and the sleep of birds, drift - under and through the live dusk...
0:05:48 > 0:05:50- ..of this place of love.
0:05:50 > 0:05:53- Llareggub is the capital of dusk.
0:05:54 > 0:05:58- Thanks. You've got it. - You've set the right atmosphere.
0:05:58 > 0:06:00- I prefer it personally.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04- Dan Y Wenallt in Welsh is better.
0:06:04 > 0:06:08- I find its special, atmospheric - quality most pleasing.
0:06:12 > 0:06:16- Well, I hadn't realized - that clip even existed.
0:06:17 > 0:06:19- I hope somebody can give me a copy!
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- That was excellent, - and it brought back sweet memories.
0:06:24 > 0:06:28- What is it about the play - that makes it so popular?
0:06:28 > 0:06:31- How did it capture - people's imagination?
0:06:31 > 0:06:38- I think he'd based it - on characters he'd met.
0:06:40 > 0:06:44- They were from New Quay, - where he'd been a wartime evacuee.
0:06:44 > 0:06:48- That's when he first - started writing Under Milk Wood.
0:06:48 > 0:06:54- The shadow of the war - loomed large over Under Milk Wood.
0:06:54 > 0:06:58- It's not just a romp, - or a lightweight comedy.
0:06:59 > 0:07:03- Under the surface, - there's sadness and great tragedy.
0:07:05 > 0:07:08- There's that mixture in it.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10- It's both comic and tragic.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15- It makes it a wonderful play, - in my view.
0:07:15 > 0:07:19- Another great love - of yours is sport.
0:07:19 > 0:07:21- We know you're fond of cricket.
0:07:22 > 0:07:24- But you're a big football fan too.
0:07:24 > 0:07:28- It started in your home area - in your younger days.
0:07:28 > 0:07:31- Yes, I played a bit.
0:07:31 > 0:07:35- I started with the school team, - and then Newcastle Emlyn.
0:07:36 > 0:07:38- Dic Jones played too.
0:07:38 > 0:07:41- Dic played alongside us.
0:07:41 > 0:07:43- Centre half was Dic's position.
0:07:43 > 0:07:47- My brothers John Gwilym - and Aled played too.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- All three of us played - together at one time.
0:07:53 > 0:07:55- We'd travel around the county.
0:07:56 > 0:07:59- The Cardiganshire League - was the competition.
0:08:00 > 0:08:02- I also remember playing a cup tie.
0:08:03 > 0:08:05- Roderick Bowen handed a cup to us.
0:08:05 > 0:08:09- The cup final - was always held on Easter Monday.
0:08:12 > 0:08:16- We derived a lot of pleasure - from playing the game.
0:08:16 > 0:08:18- Which team do you support?
0:08:18 > 0:08:20- Which team do you support?- - The Swans.
0:08:21 > 0:08:23- I supported them, of course...
0:08:23 > 0:08:26- ..though, at that time, I didn't go - to watch the Swans that often.
0:08:27 > 0:08:30- But I became a minister - in Mynydd-bach, Swansea.
0:08:30 > 0:08:34- I was then, of course, - very near to the Vetch.
0:08:35 > 0:08:40- I became a very fanatical supporter.
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- It had been an exciting time, - of course, in the mid 1960s.
0:08:44 > 0:08:48- It was a golden era - for Swansea's football team.
0:08:48 > 0:08:51- They reached the semi-final - of the FA Cup.
0:08:51 > 0:08:53- Let's see them now.
0:09:04 > 0:09:08- Trevor Ford, the greatest - centre forward Wales ever knew.
0:09:08 > 0:09:12- What are your reactions - to Swansea's fantastic Cup run?
0:09:12 > 0:09:15- Wonderful, it's done Wales - a lot of good.
0:09:15 > 0:09:18- I think they'll win next Saturday.
0:09:20 > 0:09:23- Oh, I think it's - absolutely fantastic, as you say.
0:09:23 > 0:09:27- I think we'll beat Preston on - Saturday, and go to the Cup Final.
0:09:34 > 0:09:38- We've just heard from your brother, - Ivor, on his reactions.
0:09:38 > 0:09:42- Len, what do you think - about Swansea's Cup run?
0:09:42 > 0:09:44- They've done magnificently so far.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48- I think they'll carry on - the good work on Saturday.
0:09:48 > 0:09:52- I really think - they're in with a great chance.
0:09:55 > 0:09:57- I still have a soft spot for them.
0:09:58 > 0:10:01- That's despite the fact - that I now live in Cardiff.
0:10:03 > 0:10:07- I can't forsake my allegiance - to the Swans.
0:10:09 > 0:10:13- I happened to be a minister - in Swansea, in Mynydd-bach.
0:10:15 > 0:10:19- That was in the period - when they went up from the Fourth.
0:10:19 > 0:10:22- They made it to the First Division.
0:10:22 > 0:10:25- I was there too when they faltered.
0:10:25 > 0:10:30- I think I moved from Swansea - because of the downward trend.
0:10:31 > 0:10:35- What an exciting time - it was in Swansea's history.
0:10:35 > 0:10:38- Thanks very much for now, Jim.
0:10:38 > 0:10:40- Join us again for Part Two.
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0:10:53 > 0:10:56- Welcome back again to Cofio...
0:10:56 > 0:10:59- ..and to my guest, T James Jones.
0:10:59 > 0:11:05- You've mentioned your time - as a minister. What came next?
0:11:05 > 0:11:10- I went to Trinity College - to become a drama lecturer.
0:11:10 > 0:11:12- After that...
0:11:12 > 0:11:15- ..I went to the BBC - as a drama script editor.
0:11:15 > 0:11:17- I worked mainly on Pobol Y Cwm.
0:11:18 > 0:11:20- But in that same period...
0:11:20 > 0:11:24- ..the opportunity came along - to write Y Palmant Aur.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27- I co-wrote it with Manon, my wife.
0:11:27 > 0:11:30- That was a very special experience.
0:11:30 > 0:11:32- Let's watch a clip from it.
0:11:33 > 0:11:35- Y Palmant Aur was a major success.
0:11:39 > 0:11:41- Hello.
0:11:43 > 0:11:45- Marged Ann.
0:11:47 > 0:11:49- You have pretty flowers there.
0:11:51 > 0:11:53- May I come with you?
0:11:55 > 0:11:56- You may.
0:12:17 > 0:12:20- Morgan and I share a birthday.
0:12:23 > 0:12:25- It's next Saturday.
0:12:25 > 0:12:27- The same day as the eisteddfod.
0:12:28 > 0:12:29- Yes.
0:12:32 > 0:12:34- I was born on a Sunday.
0:12:34 > 0:12:36- That's why you became a minister.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39- Yes, maybe.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45- Why did you leave - the chapel, Luther?
0:12:45 > 0:12:47- Well...
0:12:48 > 0:12:50- Why?
0:12:59 > 0:13:01- Hypocrisy.
0:13:01 > 0:13:03- Yes. Yes.
0:13:08 > 0:13:10- Yes, hypocrisy.
0:13:10 > 0:13:12- Hypocrisy has worried many of us.
0:13:14 > 0:13:17- It's something that I've seen.
0:13:17 > 0:13:20- And it's something - I've seen in myself too.
0:13:20 > 0:13:22- That's happened a few times.
0:13:22 > 0:13:25- The battle against hypocrisy...
0:13:25 > 0:13:27- ..is a difficult battle.
0:13:27 > 0:13:31- But you must fight it, - or else the truth gets lost.
0:13:31 > 0:13:35- You talk about hypocrisy.
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- You've questioned certain things.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41- You've perhaps questioned - your faith as well.
0:13:41 > 0:13:46- You were moved to write a poem - about the challenge to your faith.
0:13:46 > 0:13:51- Yes, I've penned a few poems - recently on that subject.
0:13:51 > 0:13:55- It's something personal to me.
0:13:55 > 0:13:57- An opportunity came my way.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59- I went to see...
0:13:59 > 0:14:03- ..not the Shroud itself in Torino...
0:14:03 > 0:14:07- ..rather, it was the cupboard - which contains the Shroud.
0:14:08 > 0:14:10- I went there by myself.
0:14:13 > 0:14:16- I'd arranged one morning - to go along to the church.
0:14:17 > 0:14:20- I saw crowds of people - doing the same.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23- They were all going to the church.
0:14:23 > 0:14:28- All of a sudden, I heard - the sound of quiet applause.
0:14:29 > 0:14:32- A coffin was carried past me.
0:14:32 > 0:14:36- It resembled a boat on water.
0:14:36 > 0:14:38- In it went, into the church.
0:14:38 > 0:14:42- I realized it was a funeral, - an important funeral.
0:14:43 > 0:14:45- Then another coffin arrives...
0:14:46 > 0:14:48- ..and another coffin...
0:14:48 > 0:14:50- ..and another coffin again.
0:14:50 > 0:14:53- I felt a tragedy must have occurred.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56- I could hear names mentioned.
0:14:57 > 0:14:59- They were repeated - during the service.
0:15:00 > 0:15:02- Bruno, Angelo...
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- ..Roberto, Antonio.
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- I found out later what had happened.
0:15:10 > 0:15:12- These four young boys...
0:15:13 > 0:15:17- ..had been killed - in a steelworks accident...
0:15:17 > 0:15:19- ..in Torino.
0:15:20 > 0:15:23- It was a terrible tragedy.
0:15:23 > 0:15:27- Of course, in the background, - beyond the altar...
0:15:27 > 0:15:31- ..I could see the cupboard - where the Shroud was kept.
0:15:31 > 0:15:35- I thought of the story - about Christ himself...
0:15:35 > 0:15:39- ..and how, in his grave, - he had worn this Shroud.
0:15:40 > 0:15:42- Some burning had occurred there...
0:15:43 > 0:15:46- ..to create his image on the Shroud.
0:15:46 > 0:15:49- Many people have their doubts.
0:15:49 > 0:15:52- They say the Shroud's a fraud.
0:15:52 > 0:15:56- The debate has raged on for years.
0:15:56 > 0:15:59- These past few years - have seen it intensify.
0:16:01 > 0:16:05- I felt I was very, very close - to this relic.
0:16:06 > 0:16:10- I was on the verge - of believing in a falsehood.
0:16:10 > 0:16:13- That really shook me.
0:16:13 > 0:16:15- I felt...
0:16:15 > 0:16:21- ..that whatever had happened - on the cross to Jesus Christ...
0:16:21 > 0:16:24- ..and in the grave afterwards...
0:16:24 > 0:16:28- ..I saw that it - could not save these four.
0:16:28 > 0:16:32- These four had gone.
0:16:32 > 0:16:36- All these thoughts and questions - whirled around in my mind.
0:16:36 > 0:16:40- I felt so extremely lonely.
0:16:40 > 0:16:45- This is how I described - the experience in the written word.
0:16:46 > 0:16:48- It was December time.
0:16:49 > 0:16:54- "The Piazza San Giovanni - is the strait of grief's overflow.
0:16:55 > 0:16:57- "Hands clapping like waves breaking.
0:16:59 > 0:17:02- "And the coffins flow - to this cave of a church.
0:17:02 > 0:17:06- "Bruno, Angelo, Roberto, Antonio - are led...
0:17:06 > 0:17:10- "..to the ironic flames - of the candles...
0:17:10 > 0:17:14- "..to the wafers - as white as burning...
0:17:14 > 0:17:18- "..and the wine as red as embers.
0:17:19 > 0:17:22- "The steel - of the white-hot furnace...
0:17:22 > 0:17:25- "..owns Bruno, Angelo, - Roberto, Antonio.
0:17:27 > 0:17:31- "And neither the fiery word - nor the brilliant psalm...
0:17:31 > 0:17:33- "..nor the molten ritual - of handshaking...
0:17:34 > 0:17:36- "..can magic them back - to their loved ones.
0:17:37 > 0:17:43- "And the Shroud's supposedly - searing wizardry cannot remedy...
0:17:43 > 0:17:46- "..Bruno, Angelo, - Roberto, Antonio...
0:17:46 > 0:17:50- "..to flesh and skin, - to be strong boned...
0:17:50 > 0:17:55- "..to be dexterous, to be the voices - of words still unspoken...
0:17:55 > 0:17:58- "..to be the memory of belonging...
0:17:58 > 0:18:00- "..to be the lap of comforting.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04- "For the Great Undertaker - is not a conjuror...
0:18:04 > 0:18:07- "..who waves his wand - above the cauldron of pity.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11- "After the funeral...
0:18:11 > 0:18:16- "..I touch the edge - of the Shroud's shadow...
0:18:18 > 0:18:21- "..and shudder - for having almost surrendered...
0:18:22 > 0:18:24- "..to the illusion of a relic...
0:18:25 > 0:18:28- "..and one which, it seems, - is fake, at that.
0:18:31 > 0:18:34- "Leaving the cave, - the piazza is as empty...
0:18:34 > 0:18:37- "..as a beach - whose day is ebbing away.
0:18:38 > 0:18:41- "And the waves are now too far...
0:18:41 > 0:18:43- "..for us to hear them breaking.
0:18:43 > 0:18:48- "An isolated seagull - stands on a tower...
0:18:48 > 0:18:51- "..with the blushing sunset - in its feathers...
0:18:52 > 0:18:54- "..as lonely as a faithless soul.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59- "The chill of the steely city...
0:18:59 > 0:19:01- "..is as sharp as December crags.
0:19:02 > 0:19:05- "And there's nothing left - but to pull...
0:19:05 > 0:19:08- "..my own shroud tighter."
0:19:11 > 0:19:13- You were destined to be there.
0:19:13 > 0:19:15- You were destined to be there.- - It was very strange indeed.
0:19:15 > 0:19:19- On another day, - in an empty church...
0:19:19 > 0:19:23- ..the experience - would have been very different.
0:19:23 > 0:19:27- But it was being there - at the funeral of four youngsters.
0:19:27 > 0:19:30- That's what did it for me.
0:19:30 > 0:19:33- I was very shaken.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36- Let's talk about your wife, - Manon Rhys.
0:19:36 > 0:19:39- She often works alongside you.
0:19:39 > 0:19:41- Is she also your sounding board?
0:19:42 > 0:19:43- Oh, yes.
0:19:43 > 0:19:47- For a short while, - when I first met her...
0:19:47 > 0:19:53- ..I used to edit her work because - I would oversee Pobol Y Cwm scripts.
0:19:53 > 0:19:55- I was her boss for a brief spell.
0:19:57 > 0:19:59- We're partners now.
0:20:00 > 0:20:04- She edits my work, - and asks me to edit hers sometimes.
0:20:04 > 0:20:08- I'm sure you wouldn't forgive me...
0:20:08 > 0:20:12- ..if I failed to mention - another love of yours, cricket!
0:20:12 > 0:20:17- Cricket's always been - a very important game for me.
0:20:19 > 0:20:23- My father taught me - to play cricket on the farmyard.
0:20:23 > 0:20:27- Aled and John played, and Mam too!
0:20:27 > 0:20:32- Yes, she'd stand in front - of the window, as extra cover.
0:20:33 > 0:20:37- Sometimes, - we would sneak away from school...
0:20:37 > 0:20:39- ..to watch Glamorgan play.
0:20:39 > 0:20:43- Those were the days - they played in Llanelli.
0:20:43 > 0:20:46- We savoured one or two victories.
0:20:47 > 0:20:51- Here's an exciting event - in Glamorgan cricket history.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59- Canterbury, 1993.
0:20:59 > 0:21:02- Tony Cottey somehow - reaches the boundary.
0:21:04 > 0:21:09- Glamorgan win - the Sunday League competition.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12- It's the first time they've done so.
0:21:12 > 0:21:14- It's unexpected, say the critics.
0:21:14 > 0:21:19- But it's well deserved, - according to a leading batsman...
0:21:19 > 0:21:21- ..and a Glamorgan hero that day...
0:21:21 > 0:21:23- ..none other than Viv Richards.
0:21:24 > 0:21:28- We've accomplished something - with the club, you know.
0:21:28 > 0:21:32- They gave us no chance, - but we've shut a few people up.
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- Viv Richards was quite emotional.
0:21:35 > 0:21:39- We'll turn now - to this year's Eisteddfod.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43- It'll be in Blaenau Gwent - and the Heads of the Valleys.
0:21:43 > 0:21:46- As the Archdruid, - are you looking forward to it?
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- Very much so, - and I hope to enjoy it.
0:21:51 > 0:21:56- It's in an area which I visited...
0:21:56 > 0:21:59- ..when it was last there, - back in 1958.
0:22:00 > 0:22:04- There's another reason - why I'm looking forward to it.
0:22:05 > 0:22:10- The Eisteddfod will be near - my eldest grandson's school.
0:22:13 > 0:22:18- He goes to school in Abergavenny, - which is close by.
0:22:18 > 0:22:23- I'll be a very proud Archdruid.
0:22:24 > 0:22:26- Here's an old clip - of that Eisteddfod.
0:22:37 > 0:22:42- A little more than a year and a day - since the Proclamation Ceremony...
0:22:42 > 0:22:45- ..Ebbw Vale is host to - the National Eisteddfod of Wales.
0:22:46 > 0:22:51- As a sequel to the Crowning, - came the Chairing of the Bard.
0:22:51 > 0:22:55- This year, a poem - on the subject Caerleon-on-Usk...
0:22:55 > 0:23:00- ..made the winner, Mr T Llewelyn - Jones, eligible for the Chair.
0:23:00 > 0:23:05- Heart to Heart, - Is there peace?
0:23:05 > 0:23:06- Peace!
0:23:06 > 0:23:10- Let the bard sit in peace.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16- That was T Llew, - one of my heroes, of course.
0:23:16 > 0:23:18- He won the chair there.
0:23:18 > 0:23:23- I hope I can chair and crown...
0:23:23 > 0:23:26- ..and hand out medals...
0:23:26 > 0:23:28- ..in Ebbw Vale.
0:23:29 > 0:23:33- Those hours will be their hours.
0:23:34 > 0:23:38- Is that the advice your brother, - the former Archdruid, gave you?
0:23:38 > 0:23:40- That's the advice - John Gwilym gave me.
0:23:41 > 0:23:43- Remember, it's not your time.
0:23:43 > 0:23:47- That time is given - to the author and the poet.
0:23:47 > 0:23:49- I hope, I sincerely hope...
0:23:49 > 0:23:56- ..I can give a new lion a crown, - a chair or a literary medal...
0:23:58 > 0:24:00- ..in Ebbw Vale.
0:24:01 > 0:24:04- Thank you, Jim, - for keeping me company tonight.
0:24:04 > 0:24:08- I hope you've enjoyed - looking back over your life, too.
0:24:09 > 0:24:10- Thank you.
0:24:10 > 0:24:14- That's all from us for tonight. - Goodnight.
0:24:23 > 0:24:27- # Remember
0:24:33 > 0:24:36- # Remember #
0:24:39 > 0:24:41- S4C Subtitles by Simian 04 Cyf.
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