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0:00:27 > 0:00:31- Hello and welcome to Cofio - where TV clips from yesteryear...
0:00:31 > 0:00:35- ..bring the memories - flooding back for our guests.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38- Tonight, who knows what will happen!
0:00:38 > 0:00:41- My guest is an actor - and pantomime producer...
0:00:41 > 0:00:45- ..but he's also someone who speaks - his mind - aren't you, Dafydd Hywel?
0:00:45 > 0:00:49- It has been known, I suppose. - It's nice to see you anyway.
0:00:49 > 0:00:54- Or Hywel Evans - that's how you're - known in the Amman Valley.
0:00:54 > 0:00:58- When I started with Cwmni Theatr - Cymru, I was David Hywel.
0:00:58 > 0:01:02- I wanted to be called John Wayne Jr - but Wilbert Lloyd Roberts refused.
0:01:02 > 0:01:04- That's where the DH started.
0:01:05 > 0:01:08- To most of the boys - I played rugby with, I'm Evans.
0:01:09 > 0:01:13- If someone calls me Hywel, - I know they're from my home area.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16- Amman Utd, of course.
0:01:16 > 0:01:20- Amman Utd. You can zoom in - on the tie when you have time.
0:01:21 > 0:01:22- Where do we start?
0:01:22 > 0:01:26- Let's start with the mole, - the most famous mole in Wales.
0:01:27 > 0:01:29- That was a lot of fun.
0:01:29 > 0:01:33- I finished my time - with Cwmni Theatr Cymru in 1971.
0:01:33 > 0:01:38- Peter Elias Jones was the Head of - Children's programmes at the time.
0:01:38 > 0:01:41- Miri Mawr had already started.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44- Llewelyn and Blodyn Tatws - had already been created.
0:01:44 > 0:01:49- He called me in for the part of - a mole that would last three months.
0:01:49 > 0:01:53- In a small studio in Pontcanna, - we chose the mole's costume.
0:01:54 > 0:01:57- The first costume we chose - was similar to the Wombles.
0:01:57 > 0:02:01- Caleb was supposed to look like the - Wombles before the Wombles started.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- Eventually, - we found furry black clothes...
0:02:05 > 0:02:09- ..and the character lasted - for three years.
0:02:09 > 0:02:13- The programme was watched - by children and adults alike.
0:02:13 > 0:02:17- That's how I became friends - with a lot of rugby supporters.
0:02:17 > 0:02:19- It was a great time.
0:02:19 > 0:02:20- It was a great time.- - Here's a clip.
0:02:26 > 0:02:31- # If you'd like to know - how a man like me earns a living
0:02:33 > 0:02:34- # I was taught by my father
0:02:35 > 0:02:38- # The first skill of mankind
0:02:38 > 0:02:41- # Dear butties
0:02:41 > 0:02:44- # I learnt to turn the swamp - into a fertile meadow
0:02:44 > 0:02:47- # To grow green grass - on arid desert land
0:02:48 > 0:02:52- # I sleep at night - and I awake at dawn
0:02:54 > 0:02:56- # I sleep at night
0:02:57 > 0:02:59- # And I awake at dawn
0:03:02 > 0:03:05- # To follow the harrow - along the steep slopes
0:03:05 > 0:03:07- # And follow the rusty plough
0:03:08 > 0:03:10- # On top of the high mountain
0:03:12 > 0:03:14- # And follow the rusty plough
0:03:14 > 0:03:18- # On top of the high mountain
0:03:18 > 0:03:22- # Yeah, yeah, yeah, - yeah, yeah, yeah #
0:03:31 > 0:03:34- I was having a little nap.
0:03:34 > 0:03:36- A little...?
0:03:37 > 0:03:39- A little nap?
0:03:41 > 0:03:43- Oh, dear me.
0:03:43 > 0:03:47- Never mind. - It's nice to have you back.
0:03:47 > 0:03:51- Worth my weight in gold, - my little chicks.
0:03:51 > 0:03:55- Remember, Caleb, I would have - slept for another week...
0:03:56 > 0:03:59- ..if it wasn't for all this noise.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03- Caleb, Blodyn Tatws and Dan Dwr.
0:04:03 > 0:04:07- It's an example of how something - can work on two levels.
0:04:07 > 0:04:10- A children's programme - which appealed to all ages.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- I wish they could find - more of those tapes to find out.
0:04:14 > 0:04:17- People believed - in the characters so much.
0:04:17 > 0:04:21- Henry was the floor manager and - we could hear the director saying...
0:04:21 > 0:04:23- .."Cue, Blod."
0:04:24 > 0:04:26- Henry would say, "Cue, Blod."
0:04:27 > 0:04:29- "Cue, Blod!" "I am cueing Blod."
0:04:29 > 0:04:32- Henry was cueing the puppet - and not Robin Griffith!
0:04:32 > 0:04:34- It was a lot of fun.
0:04:34 > 0:04:37- Did the interest in acting - start at home?
0:04:37 > 0:04:41- We spoke earlier about your - upbringing in the Amman Valley.
0:04:41 > 0:04:45- I attended Sunday school and chapel - and I sang as a child...
0:04:46 > 0:04:48- ..but I'd always liked films.
0:04:48 > 0:04:52- I wanted to be a film star - like Kirk Douglas or Rod Steiger.
0:04:54 > 0:04:57- My family could sing - - my mother could sing...
0:04:57 > 0:05:01- ..and my mother's sister - had won the soprano competition...
0:05:02 > 0:05:03- ..in the Eisteddfod.
0:05:03 > 0:05:06- In school, - we only studied English plays.
0:05:07 > 0:05:10- I was more interested - in rugby, cricket and boxing.
0:05:11 > 0:05:13- There was hardly any acting.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- You lived in a close-knit - coal mining community.
0:05:17 > 0:05:21- It's such a shame that those - communities have changed so much.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25- I sometimes think - it's not my village any more.
0:05:25 > 0:05:29- You hear so much English - being spoken on the streets.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32- People have moved in to the area.
0:05:32 > 0:05:36- It doesn't bother me - as long as they respect the area.
0:05:36 > 0:05:37- I don't think they do.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- Dafydd Elis-Thomas said...
0:05:40 > 0:05:43- ..that the battle - for the Welsh language is over.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- A visit to the Amman Valley - would change his mind.
0:05:47 > 0:05:49- I speak Welsh to my friends...
0:05:49 > 0:05:52- ..but I wish youngsters - would speak more of it.
0:05:52 > 0:05:54- They'll miss it when it's gone.
0:05:54 > 0:05:56- That's what makes me different.
0:05:56 > 0:05:59- I'm no better - than any other Welshman...
0:05:59 > 0:06:01- ..but the language is important.
0:06:01 > 0:06:04- We have a clip - of Jim Griffiths next.
0:06:04 > 0:06:08- Let's step back to 1970 - and coal mining in the Amman Valley.
0:06:11 > 0:06:14- This was the old custom.
0:06:14 > 0:06:22- A collier would have a drum, - a full tub of coal as it came...
0:06:22 > 0:06:25- ..from the coalface, - as the collier was filling it.
0:06:26 > 0:06:30- He would bring it back to the house - to inspect it.
0:06:30 > 0:06:32- It was fine coal - duff.
0:06:32 > 0:06:36- What did we do with this fine coal?
0:06:36 > 0:06:39- We kept all the fine coal - together...
0:06:39 > 0:06:42- ..and then we'd search for clay - up on the mountainside.
0:06:43 > 0:06:48- We mixed the clay with the fine coal - and added water.
0:06:48 > 0:06:55- We ensured they mixed well by - pressing it down in colliers' shoes.
0:06:56 > 0:07:00- You took a piece of it in your hand - and rolled it into a ball.
0:07:00 > 0:07:05- We'd roll it into briquettes - and leave it on the fire at night...
0:07:05 > 0:07:09- ..and the fire would last - through the night.
0:07:09 > 0:07:11- We all made little briquettes.
0:07:11 > 0:07:15- That way, - we used every piece of coal.
0:07:15 > 0:07:19- If you added fine coal on its own, - the fire would go out.
0:07:19 > 0:07:22- When you mixed it with clay - and made little briquettes...
0:07:23 > 0:07:25- ..the fire would last - through the night.
0:07:26 > 0:07:30- Mam said the fire in our kitchen - had been burning for 20 years.
0:07:30 > 0:07:34- The little briquettes would - keep it going through the night.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37- You remember those being made.
0:07:37 > 0:07:40- Dad would make them. - They kept the fire burning.
0:07:41 > 0:07:45- Listening to what you've said - about the coal mining communities...
0:07:45 > 0:07:49- ..is there a danger - of over-romanticizing...
0:07:49 > 0:07:53- ..the coal mining valleys - and your upbringing?
0:07:53 > 0:07:56- I don't think so. - My father wasn't a collier.
0:07:56 > 0:08:00- He worked in a tin works and then - he went down to work in Pembrey...
0:08:00 > 0:08:04- ..but most of the family - worked down the coal mines.
0:08:04 > 0:08:09- No, not at all. That's why - I hate Maggie Thatcher so much.
0:08:09 > 0:08:14- Men had to work in seams - that were this deep on their backs.
0:08:15 > 0:08:17- I don't know how they did it.
0:08:17 > 0:08:20- Everyone in the community - was on the same level.
0:08:20 > 0:08:24- I remember a friend of mine - sending me a newspaper article...
0:08:24 > 0:08:30- ..from the day the Queen Mother - got married, back in 19-something.
0:08:30 > 0:08:34- On the day she got married, - ten miners died in Trimsaran.
0:08:34 > 0:08:37- The rope snapped and down they went.
0:08:37 > 0:08:41- Three of them were under 15 - and the eldest was 60.
0:08:41 > 0:08:45- They couldn't identify the youngest.
0:08:45 > 0:08:48- There were no mortuaries - at the time...
0:08:48 > 0:08:52- ..so they brought a dog in - to identify the youngster.
0:08:52 > 0:08:54- There's nothing romantic about it.
0:08:55 > 0:08:58- I don't think they received - the acclaim they deserved.
0:08:58 > 0:09:02- The coal mining communities - lead us to a film...
0:09:02 > 0:09:05- ..that was made - during the Miners' Strike...
0:09:05 > 0:09:07- ..Yr Alcoholig Llon.
0:09:07 > 0:09:11- Let's see a clip of the film - before we discuss it.
0:09:15 > 0:09:16- Oh.
0:09:20 > 0:09:22- I didn't do that again, did I?
0:09:25 > 0:09:27- I don't remember, see.
0:09:29 > 0:09:31- I can't remember anything.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34- No, you never remember.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37- You don't remember raping me.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41- You don't remember hitting me.
0:09:41 > 0:09:43- You don't remember.
0:09:45 > 0:09:49- Look, I swear - never to drink again.
0:09:49 > 0:09:54- I've heard that so many times, - I've heard that so many times.
0:09:54 > 0:09:56- Don't start that story - with me again.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00- Saying stupid things like that.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- You can't give it up, you can't give - it up, it's taken over your life.
0:10:04 > 0:10:09- I'm not... - I don't love you any more.
0:10:10 > 0:10:15- This is over. It's all over.
0:10:19 > 0:10:23- I don't feel anything, you know. - I don't feel anything for you.
0:10:27 > 0:10:31- You worked with director Karl Francis - on that film.
0:10:31 > 0:10:37- Karl Francis is renowned for dealing - with traumatic subjects...
0:10:37 > 0:10:43- ..and when he directed, he allowed - you to do a lot on your own.
0:10:44 > 0:10:47- That was Eluned and me - ad-libbing the scene.
0:10:47 > 0:10:50- He planted an idea in our heads - and off we went.
0:10:51 > 0:10:55- I've done about six films with him. - We have a love-hate relationship!
0:10:55 > 0:10:58- We've almost come to blows - on numerous occasions.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02- Most of that film - was filmed in the Amman Valley.
0:11:02 > 0:11:06- A lot of men in the film - have sadly passed away.
0:11:06 > 0:11:11- I learnt a lot about alcoholism - when we made the film.
0:11:11 > 0:11:17- I knew one person - he would sit in - his room, in the same place all day.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21- He would walk or crawl - around his own mess...
0:11:21 > 0:11:25- ..and he would grab a vodka bottle - he'd hidden under the sink...
0:11:25 > 0:11:31- ..handle it as if it was a little - baby and return it to its place.
0:11:31 > 0:11:36- You've spoken about how you - drank more after making that film.
0:11:36 > 0:11:40- I like a pint and I went through - a difficult time.
0:11:40 > 0:11:44- It was my fault - - there was no-one else to blame.
0:11:44 > 0:11:47- I went to live in Rosebush, - near Tafarn Sinc.
0:11:47 > 0:11:50- The people were lovely - and they were a great help.
0:11:50 > 0:11:53- It was my fault, no-one else's.
0:11:53 > 0:11:57- In such times, a person finds out - who his friends are.
0:11:58 > 0:12:01- They stayed with me - throughout that time.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- Everything's fine now. - I still like a pint, though.
0:12:05 > 0:12:10- I just felt sorry for myself - and that's worse than anything.
0:12:10 > 0:12:15- Suddenly, you say, "Snap out of it. - Mam wouldn't be proud of you."
0:12:15 > 0:12:19- I think that's a good place - to end the first half.
0:12:19 > 0:12:23- In Part 2, we'll touch - on another personal battle...
0:12:24 > 0:12:26- ..you fought in the 1980s.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28- Join us after the break.
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0:12:48 > 0:12:50- Welcome back.
0:12:50 > 0:12:55- We're reliving the olden days - with Amman Valley actor Dafydd Hywel.
0:12:55 > 0:13:00- Next, we're taking you back to 1984.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04- You fought a personal battle - in the field of education.
0:13:04 > 0:13:07- Before we discuss - the events of that year...
0:13:08 > 0:13:11- ..let's watch some news footage - from that time.
0:13:15 > 0:13:18- Dafydd Hywel taking his daughter - to Ysgol Coed-Y-Gof.
0:13:19 > 0:13:21- Her brother - was already a pupil there...
0:13:21 > 0:13:25- ..but the school was full and - the education authority insisted...
0:13:26 > 0:13:30- ..that Catrin should attend - another school three miles away.
0:13:31 > 0:13:35- The actor failed to overturn - the decision by legal means...
0:13:35 > 0:13:38- ..but he took his daughter - to Coed-Y-Gof.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- Since she wasn't allowed into class, - she stayed in the hallway.
0:13:42 > 0:13:47- More legal battles could have led - to Dafydd Hywel being imprisoned...
0:13:47 > 0:13:52- ..but he won the final battle as - the High Court ruled in his favour.
0:13:57 > 0:14:01- It was a difficult time - for you as a family.
0:14:01 > 0:14:04- Yes, and I need to pay tribute - to my wife, Betty.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07- She stuck with me right through it.
0:14:07 > 0:14:10- Every now and then, - she must have been worried...
0:14:10 > 0:14:12- ..that I was going too far.
0:14:12 > 0:14:16- I just wanted Catrin - to be in the same school as Llyr.
0:14:16 > 0:14:18- We'd moved from Caerphilly...
0:14:18 > 0:14:23- ..and they wanted Catrin - to attend a school in Llanrumney...
0:14:23 > 0:14:26- ..the newly-opened Ysgol Bro Eirwg.
0:14:26 > 0:14:28- I wanted both of them - in the same school.
0:14:28 > 0:14:32- As you heard on the clip, - I would take her to the hallway...
0:14:32 > 0:14:36- ..and the headmaster, Tom Evans, - and his staff were fantastic.
0:14:36 > 0:14:38- She would join her class later...
0:14:39 > 0:14:41- ..though - she was officially disallowed.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- She didn't miss out - on her education.
0:14:44 > 0:14:46- We had to go to the High Court - in London.
0:14:47 > 0:14:50- I'll tell you something now - that only a few friends know...
0:14:50 > 0:14:53- ..to illustrate how I was treated - by Cardiff Council.
0:14:54 > 0:14:56- They tried to send me to prison.
0:14:56 > 0:14:59- I went to the school, - Catrin was in the hallway...
0:14:59 > 0:15:04- ..and by the way, Catrin thought - she'd been adopted some years ago...
0:15:04 > 0:15:06- ..because of all this trouble...
0:15:06 > 0:15:09- ..and someone said Mr Evans - wanted to see me.
0:15:09 > 0:15:13- I went to the headmaster's office - - Tom, he was a top man...
0:15:13 > 0:15:15- ..and this tall gentleman said...
0:15:16 > 0:15:19- .."I've come to take - your daughter into care."
0:15:19 > 0:15:21- I won't use the adjectives - I used that day...
0:15:22 > 0:15:25- ..but I said, "You touch - my little girl and I'll kill you."
0:15:25 > 0:15:29- I picked up a chair, I had it in - my hand and I would have used it.
0:15:30 > 0:15:32- Fortunately, - Tom spoke to him and he left.
0:15:33 > 0:15:35- We won the battle and that was it.
0:15:35 > 0:15:39- The two have done well ever since - and I'm very proud of them.
0:15:40 > 0:15:42- Events like that do leave a mark.
0:15:42 > 0:15:44- I think it's worse now.
0:15:44 > 0:15:48- I hate them more now - than I did then.
0:15:50 > 0:15:54- It could have had an adverse effect - on Catrin and Llyr, and Betty too.
0:15:56 > 0:16:00- They could have thrown me out - many times but they stuck with me.
0:16:01 > 0:16:06- I'll never forgive Cardiff Council - or anyone associated with them.
0:16:06 > 0:16:12- Something that's come to the fore - is how important your friends are.
0:16:12 > 0:16:16- They're crucial - and all-important to you.
0:16:16 > 0:16:20- One of your closest friends - was Grav.
0:16:20 > 0:16:24- Here's a clip of Grav - in conversation with Huw Eic.
0:16:26 > 0:16:30- This is Mynydd-y-Garreg, - the village where you were raised.
0:16:30 > 0:16:34- This is the place, - in that little cottage on the hill.
0:16:34 > 0:16:37- A wonderful place to live. - Tremendous views.
0:16:37 > 0:16:42- You can see across the whole valley - and the Gwendraeth river...
0:16:42 > 0:16:45- ..all the way to Llansaint hill...
0:16:45 > 0:16:48- ..down to Kidwelly - and Carmarthenshire.
0:16:48 > 0:16:50- I have many happy memories.
0:16:50 > 0:16:53- What kind of village - was it to grow up in?
0:16:53 > 0:16:55- A very happy village, Huw.
0:16:55 > 0:16:58- Everyone was ready - to help one another.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- People didn't knock the door - when going to see their neighbours.
0:17:03 > 0:17:05- This is where the rugby started.
0:17:05 > 0:17:10- This is where it all started. - You'd never think so to look at it.
0:17:10 > 0:17:13- It's a world away - from Cardiff Arms Park.
0:17:13 > 0:17:14- On this field?
0:17:14 > 0:17:16- On this field?- - On this field here.
0:17:16 > 0:17:20- It's changed quite a lot. - It doesn't look much of a field now.
0:17:21 > 0:17:23- Back then, it was huge.
0:17:23 > 0:17:25- Having left Ysgol Mynydd-y-Garreg...
0:17:25 > 0:17:29- ..he was educated in Burry Port - and Carmarthen.
0:17:29 > 0:17:33- A job with the electricity board - was the next step.
0:17:33 > 0:17:39- He followed in the footsteps - of his rugby hero, Delme Thomas.
0:17:39 > 0:17:43- He also spends his working day - climbing poles.
0:17:46 > 0:17:48- How did you meet Grav?
0:17:48 > 0:17:50- How did you meet Grav?- - Carwyn James.
0:17:51 > 0:17:54- I was playing - against Llanelli Athletic.
0:17:54 > 0:17:57- I'd appeared in a film - called All In The Game.
0:17:58 > 0:18:02- It was about a youngster who wanted - to play for his country...
0:18:02 > 0:18:04- ..but was mollycoddled - by his mother.
0:18:05 > 0:18:06- Grav had seen the film...
0:18:06 > 0:18:09- ..and saw something of himself - in the character.
0:18:10 > 0:18:12- He was a huge fan of Caleb too.
0:18:12 > 0:18:14- We became great friends after that.
0:18:15 > 0:18:20- I have some great photos at home - of him with Llyr and Catrin.
0:18:20 > 0:18:22- He was such a character.
0:18:22 > 0:18:27- I love the song Alun Sbardun Huws - and Tebot Piws have written...
0:18:27 > 0:18:29- ..Y Cawr O'r Mynydd.
0:18:29 > 0:18:31- It describes him perfectly.
0:18:31 > 0:18:35- My brother had passed away - the previous year...
0:18:35 > 0:18:38- ..and I lost - my other "brother" soon after.
0:18:38 > 0:18:42- Often he'd say, "I'm going to give - you a hiding now."
0:18:42 > 0:18:46- He'd say, "If you were six foot, - you'd be in prison."
0:18:46 > 0:18:49- He was so proud - of Manon, Gwen and Mari...
0:18:49 > 0:18:51- ..but he was one of a kind.
0:18:52 > 0:18:56- Sue Roderick, Ray and I, with a band - would organize entertainment nights.
0:18:56 > 0:19:00- He'd ask the same thing every time, - "Expenses? Expenses?"
0:19:00 > 0:19:03- "Yes, I'll give - you bl**dy expenses!"
0:19:03 > 0:19:07- He'd turn up and ask, - "What do you want me to say?"
0:19:07 > 0:19:11- "Ten minutes at the start - and ten minutes in the middle."
0:19:11 > 0:19:15- Many times, Sue and I - were on the side of the stage...
0:19:15 > 0:19:17- ..shouting, "Get off, get off!"
0:19:17 > 0:19:19- We couldn't get him off!
0:19:20 > 0:19:24- I expect to see him - coming around the corner every day.
0:19:25 > 0:19:28- Every time I went down - to Mynydd-y-Garreg...
0:19:28 > 0:19:32- ..he'd ask what I wanted to drink - and I'd get it an hour later.
0:19:32 > 0:19:35- He'd always say, - and Mari says the same now...
0:19:35 > 0:19:39- ..I go down, drink his booze, - eat his food and go home.
0:19:39 > 0:19:40- I miss him very much.
0:19:40 > 0:19:45- We head in an entirely different - direction now, the world of boxing.
0:19:45 > 0:19:48- It's something you enjoy greatly.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51- I've loved boxing - since I was a young boy.
0:19:51 > 0:19:53- I like boxers from yesteryear.
0:19:54 > 0:19:57- I don't think much - of contemporary boxers.
0:19:57 > 0:20:01- I researched the lives of Freddie - Welsh, Jimmy Wilde and Jim Driscoll.
0:20:01 > 0:20:03- Their stories are fantastic.
0:20:04 > 0:20:07- We have an old clip tonight. - Let's go back to 1937.
0:20:08 > 0:20:09- Tommy Farr v Joe Louis.
0:20:14 > 0:20:16- Tommy Farr, - what makes you think you will win?
0:20:17 > 0:20:21- What makes you so confident? - I'm 23, the same age as you.
0:20:21 > 0:20:25- I've had over 3,000 rounds - of actual fighting.
0:20:25 > 0:20:28- # Mae hen wlad fy nhadau #
0:20:29 > 0:20:30- New York.
0:20:31 > 0:20:35- Joe Louis meets Tommy Farr, - a popular challenger from Wales...
0:20:35 > 0:20:38- ..in a 15-round bout for the title.
0:20:39 > 0:20:43- This is the first time - that a new heavyweight champion...
0:20:43 > 0:20:46- ..has put his title on the line - so soon after winning it.
0:20:47 > 0:20:51- Everyone figures him to win by - a knock-out before the sixth round.
0:20:51 > 0:20:55- Farr has done very well tonight. - He's given Louis quite a tussle.
0:20:57 > 0:20:59- Never saw so many left jabs.
0:21:00 > 0:21:04- The moment one starts a left jab, - the other's left hand shoots out too.
0:21:05 > 0:21:09- Farr's handlers are very excited. - They think he won.
0:21:09 > 0:21:11- Here's the announcement.
0:21:11 > 0:21:15- The winner and still champion, - Louis.
0:21:15 > 0:21:20- Joe Louis wins his first title - defence as heavyweight champion.
0:21:22 > 0:21:24- "Cymru am byth!"
0:21:25 > 0:21:29- You said you liked the boxers - from yesteryear.
0:21:29 > 0:21:32- Why do they appeal to you so much?
0:21:32 > 0:21:35- First and foremost, they're Welsh.
0:21:35 > 0:21:38- I met Tommy Farr in Pontcanna.
0:21:38 > 0:21:45- I'm sure he spoke Welsh - he sang - a Welsh song before his bouts.
0:21:45 > 0:21:47- He was sitting there all on his own.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- I sat with him - for an hour and a half.
0:21:50 > 0:21:52- He was a softly spoken man.
0:21:53 > 0:21:58- He lost a lot of money and then made - some money working for a paint firm.
0:21:58 > 0:22:00- I asked him...
0:22:01 > 0:22:03- .."Mr Farr, did you beat Joe Louis?"
0:22:03 > 0:22:10- Quietly, he replied, "I'll tell you - now. It was very, very close.
0:22:11 > 0:22:15- "But Joe - was just that little bit better."
0:22:16 > 0:22:21- I mentioned earlier that you're - renowned for producing pantomimes.
0:22:21 > 0:22:23- Is there one this year?
0:22:24 > 0:22:28- Yes - Bartholomew Roberts from - Little Newcastle in Pembrokeshire...
0:22:28 > 0:22:32- ..or Barti Ddu as he was more - commonly known after his death.
0:22:33 > 0:22:37- We start in Cardiff and tour around - Wales until we reach Carmarthen.
0:22:37 > 0:22:41- It's a good way to bring history - alive for young people.
0:22:41 > 0:22:46- I'm a firm believer in that. - This is what the schools need.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49- Stories to make us proud - to be Welsh.
0:22:49 > 0:22:51- It's the same with the boxing.
0:22:51 > 0:22:56- Adults, young people and children - should be told about their history.
0:22:57 > 0:22:59- Carwyn said years ago...
0:22:59 > 0:23:03- ..people know enough about - Auntie Jane and nothing about Mam.
0:23:04 > 0:23:05- We try to inspire youngsters...
0:23:06 > 0:23:08- ..to be more aware - when they return to school.
0:23:09 > 0:23:13- Good luck with the panto. You have - brought history alive tonight.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16- Yes, I've recalled - a few events from my memory.
0:23:17 > 0:23:18- Thank you, Heledd.
0:23:18 > 0:23:24- Join us again next week when I'll be - joined by another familiar face...
0:23:24 > 0:23:27- ..for a trip down memory lane.
0:23:35 > 0:23:37- # Remember
0:23:45 > 0:23:47- # Remember #
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