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0:00:09 > 0:00:12- # Remember
0:00:19 > 0:00:22- # Remember #
0:00:29 > 0:00:32- Hello and welcome to Cofio...
0:00:32 > 0:00:36- ..where the memories of familiar - Welsh faces come alive...
0:00:36 > 0:00:39- ..as we delve into the archive.
0:00:39 > 0:00:41- Music is our theme tonight.
0:00:41 > 0:00:46- One of Wales's original rock chicks - is sharing her experiences with us.
0:00:47 > 0:00:51- Her pure, soul-packed voice - has charmed several generations.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53- A warm welcome to you...
0:00:53 > 0:00:55- ..Heather Jones.
0:00:56 > 0:00:57- You're still rocking.
0:00:58 > 0:01:04- Of course. I'm rocking better now - because my guitar playing is better.
0:01:05 > 0:01:07- Let's go back to bygone days...
0:01:07 > 0:01:11- ..and start with an early pop video.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14- Here, - you're singing Paid Ag Eistedd.
0:01:18 > 0:01:20- # Don't sit down
0:01:21 > 0:01:24- # Stand on your feet
0:01:25 > 0:01:28- # Don't throw my heart
0:01:28 > 0:01:32- # Into the mud
0:01:33 > 0:01:39- # Don't forget the bygone days
0:01:40 > 0:01:43- # And take your hands
0:01:43 > 0:01:46- # Away from mine
0:01:47 > 0:01:50- # And take your hands
0:01:50 > 0:01:53- # Away from mine #
0:01:59 > 0:02:02- That was a clip from the late 1970s.
0:02:02 > 0:02:06- I think so, yes - - 1978, maybe, or 1977.
0:02:06 > 0:02:09- You recognize the year - by your hairstyle.
0:02:09 > 0:02:14- I didn't like that style. I looked - very young and very slim there.
0:02:14 > 0:02:19- When was your big break - into Welsh music and television?
0:02:20 > 0:02:24- I was singing in a concert - in Cardiff in 1966.
0:02:24 > 0:02:26- Dr Meredydd Evans was there.
0:02:26 > 0:02:28- He saw me performing on stage...
0:02:29 > 0:02:32- ..and asked me to attend - an audition at the BBC.
0:02:32 > 0:02:36- I thought he was auditioning me - for Disc A Dawn...
0:02:36 > 0:02:39- ..but Hob Y Deri Dando - was the first programme.
0:02:39 > 0:02:42- I remember singing Plaisir D'Amour.
0:02:42 > 0:02:44- Joan Baez was popular at the time.
0:02:45 > 0:02:48- After that, I worked for TWW.
0:02:48 > 0:02:51- I think the programme - was called Sgubor Lawen.
0:02:52 > 0:02:56- It was similar to Hob Y Deri Dando. - Then came Disc A Dawn.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59- After that, - people wanted me to make a record.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02- They were records in those days.
0:03:02 > 0:03:07- After someone makes a record, - the songs are played on the radio.
0:03:07 > 0:03:09- Their music is heard across Wales.
0:03:09 > 0:03:13- It has a snowball effect - For me, it still hasn't stopped.
0:03:14 > 0:03:18- Thank goodness. - What about your musical influences?
0:03:18 > 0:03:20- Who influenced you the most?
0:03:21 > 0:03:25- Well, at home, - Mam and Dad played Mario Lanza.
0:03:25 > 0:03:29- Anything operatic. - Mam sang in a choir.
0:03:31 > 0:03:33- Opera was popular in our house.
0:03:33 > 0:03:38- Then I heard The Beatles - for the first time - Love Me Do.
0:03:38 > 0:03:44- That's when I realized - I liked pop more than opera.
0:03:45 > 0:03:51- The Beatles were my greatest - influence in the early 1960s.
0:03:51 > 0:03:53- The Fab Four visited Wales.
0:03:53 > 0:03:57- Here's a clip of The Beatles - arriving in Bangor by train...
0:03:58 > 0:03:59- ..with the Maharishi.
0:05:05 > 0:05:07- I went to see them in 1965...
0:05:08 > 0:05:11- ..in the Capitol in Cardiff.
0:05:11 > 0:05:13- I was in the second row.
0:05:13 > 0:05:17- I was the only woman there - trying to listen.
0:05:17 > 0:05:21- All the others were - standing on their seats screaming.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25- I was telling them to be quiet - because I wanted to hear the guitar.
0:05:25 > 0:05:30- At that time, - women just screamed at The Beatles.
0:05:30 > 0:05:33- I was so upset, Heledd, so upset.
0:05:33 > 0:05:38- I couldn't hear a word. - It was hopeless for them too.
0:05:38 > 0:05:41- No-one could hear the music - - just the screams.
0:05:43 > 0:05:47- It was right in the middle - of a music revolution.
0:05:47 > 0:05:48- Of course.
0:05:49 > 0:05:55- Just after The Beatles, people - started writing protest songs.
0:05:55 > 0:06:00- At the time, I was a big fan - of Joan Baez and Bob Dylan.
0:06:00 > 0:06:04- Dafydd Iwan was - writing protest songs in Wales...
0:06:04 > 0:06:06- ..and Meic Stevens too.
0:06:06 > 0:06:12- There was further change after - The Beatles, during the same era.
0:06:12 > 0:06:15- The next clip - is an absolute classic.
0:06:15 > 0:06:20- It's a clip that takes us back - to see Dafydd Iwan in the 1970s.
0:06:20 > 0:06:23- It's a programme - called 04, 05, Ac Ati.
0:06:23 > 0:06:30- This was a music show which gave - many performers a stage in the 1970s.
0:06:30 > 0:06:33- A young Idris Charles - presented the show.
0:06:35 > 0:06:39- The train at Aberystwyth Station...
0:06:39 > 0:06:44- ..is heading for 04, 05, Ac Ati - on the line.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49- Hello there. - Welcome to 04, 05 Ac Ati.
0:06:49 > 0:06:54- We've left the studio tonight - and reached Aberystwyth Station.
0:06:54 > 0:06:59- We'll soon be heading - for Devil's Bridge.
0:06:59 > 0:07:03- Dafydd Iwan is waiting for us - somewhere along the line.
0:07:03 > 0:07:07- # Do you remember the Beasley family
0:07:07 > 0:07:11- # Who refused to pay the tax?
0:07:12 > 0:07:15- # People of Llanelli were saying
0:07:15 > 0:07:19- # "They're fools - what for?"
0:07:19 > 0:07:22- # Remember their sacrifice
0:07:22 > 0:07:26- # And their vision
0:07:28 > 0:07:34- # Yes, I recall the hour
0:07:37 > 0:07:41- # Do you remember Tryweryn valley
0:07:42 > 0:07:46- # At the launch of treason's dam?
0:07:46 > 0:07:50- # Welshmen's angry protests
0:07:50 > 0:07:54- # Drowned English speeches
0:07:54 > 0:07:57- # Do you remember?
0:07:57 > 0:08:02- # Too late, Welshman
0:08:03 > 0:08:10- # Yes, I recall the hour #
0:08:14 > 0:08:16- You requested that clip...
0:08:16 > 0:08:20- ..as Dafydd Iwan was, and still is, - one of your heroes.
0:08:20 > 0:08:26- Absolutely. I loved Dafydd. To be - honest, I had a crush on Dafydd.
0:08:27 > 0:08:29- The truth is coming out tonight!
0:08:29 > 0:08:33- He used to sing in Glan-llyn - and everyone loved him.
0:08:33 > 0:08:37- We loved his voice - and he looked so wonderful.
0:08:37 > 0:08:41- He wrote original songs - which were different.
0:08:42 > 0:08:48- Everyone wanted to be like Dafydd - Iwan and writing protest songs.
0:08:48 > 0:08:52- He was an icon for Welsh singers.
0:08:53 > 0:08:56- He was able to light a flame - deep within you.
0:08:56 > 0:08:59- Every time.
0:08:59 > 0:09:04- Over the years, you've been - compared with another Welsh singer.
0:09:04 > 0:09:06- Oh, yes. I know who you mean.
0:09:06 > 0:09:08- Mary Hopkin.
0:09:08 > 0:09:10- Mary Hopkin.- - Yes, Mary Hopkin.
0:09:10 > 0:09:15- We'll step back to the 1960s now - to watch a clip of Mary Hopkin...
0:09:15 > 0:09:18- ..when she topped the charts - for the first time.
0:09:21 > 0:09:25- # Those Were The Days # - Paul McCartney - sung by Mary Hopkin
0:09:34 > 0:09:38- # Once upon a time - there was a tavern
0:09:39 > 0:09:44- # Where we used to raise - a glass or two
0:09:44 > 0:09:48- # Remember - how we laughed away the hours
0:09:50 > 0:09:55- # Think of all the great things - we would do
0:09:58 > 0:10:02- # Those were the days, my friend
0:10:02 > 0:10:05- # We thought they'd never end
0:10:05 > 0:10:09- # We'd sing and dance - forever and a day #
0:10:10 > 0:10:14- Mr Hopkin, it's a big night - for you and Mary. How do you feel?
0:10:14 > 0:10:17- I feel alright - but I don't know about Mary.
0:10:17 > 0:10:19- Mary's top of the pops...
0:10:19 > 0:10:22- ..the first girl - from the Swansea Valley to do that.
0:10:23 > 0:10:24- How do you feel?
0:10:26 > 0:10:28- I feel great about it.
0:10:28 > 0:10:32- You feel on top of the pops - as a family. What about her mother?
0:10:32 > 0:10:34- She's delighted.
0:10:34 > 0:10:37- One question for both of you...
0:10:37 > 0:10:41- ..when can we expect to hear Mary - singing in Welsh again?
0:10:42 > 0:10:47- Another record will be released - soon on the Cambrian label.
0:10:47 > 0:10:50- What's the title of the record?
0:10:51 > 0:10:53- Mary ac Edward.
0:10:53 > 0:10:57- Mary ac Edward. - We all look forward to hearing it.
0:10:57 > 0:11:00- Mary, congratulations to you.
0:11:00 > 0:11:04- From everyone in the Swansea Valley - and from everyone in Wales...
0:11:04 > 0:11:05- ..good luck tonight.
0:11:05 > 0:11:07- ..good luck tonight.- - Thank you.
0:11:09 > 0:11:14- There have been comparisons - between you over the years.
0:11:14 > 0:11:18- She had a beautiful voice - and she was so beautiful herself.
0:11:18 > 0:11:21- I can understand - why she was so popular.
0:11:21 > 0:11:25- A lot of people said - I was trying to copy Mary Hopkin.
0:11:26 > 0:11:27- I knew Mary...
0:11:27 > 0:11:33- ..we both had voice training at the - same time with Valetta Yakopi...
0:11:33 > 0:11:36- ..or Violet Jones - as she was really called!
0:11:37 > 0:11:42- I remember us walking with her - around Cardiff - she was very shy.
0:11:42 > 0:11:46- I always remember - her lovely personality.
0:11:47 > 0:11:51- I caught up with her again - earlier this year.
0:11:51 > 0:11:56- She asked me to sing - a few songs she'd written.
0:11:56 > 0:12:01- I asked Geraint Jarman - to translate them into Welsh for me.
0:12:01 > 0:12:04- I'm going to release - a CD of the songs in the future.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07- Everything's come full circle.
0:12:07 > 0:12:13- She's still a lovely woman. - I'm so lucky to have met her again.
0:12:13 > 0:12:15- We'll take a break.
0:12:16 > 0:12:20- Join us after the break - when we return to Glan-llyn...
0:12:20 > 0:12:24- ..to see the influence - the Welsh language had on Heather.
0:12:28 > 0:12:31- # Remember #
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0:12:36 > 0:12:38- # Remember #
0:12:43 > 0:12:44- Welcome back.
0:12:44 > 0:12:48- Heather Jones guides us - on a trip down memory lane.
0:12:48 > 0:12:53- The Urdd camp in Glan-llyn - made quite an impression on Heather.
0:12:54 > 0:12:58- Heather will certainly empathize - with the girl in the next clip.
0:12:58 > 0:13:04- She was the subject of a song - by Edward H Dafis - Jane.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11- # In a village called Cilfynydd
0:13:12 > 0:13:16- # The Urdd organization - gained a new member
0:13:16 > 0:13:19- # Her name, my friends
0:13:19 > 0:13:20- # Was Jane
0:13:24 > 0:13:28- # Surrounded by a sea of English
0:13:28 > 0:13:30- # Determined, - she showed she was willing
0:13:31 > 0:13:36- # To learn the language - forgotten in her local area
0:13:41 > 0:13:45- # Have you heard about Jane?
0:13:45 > 0:13:47- # Jane is a lovely young girl
0:13:48 > 0:13:52- # Jane learnt Welsh
0:13:52 > 0:13:56- # She's a member of the Urdd
0:13:58 > 0:14:01- # There was no Welsh on the streets
0:14:02 > 0:14:05- # Around her home in the Valleys
0:14:05 > 0:14:10- # That was Jane's uphill struggle
0:14:14 > 0:14:17- # Have you heard about Jane?
0:14:17 > 0:14:20- # Jane is a lovely young girl
0:14:20 > 0:14:23- # Bon voyage, - as you progress, Jane #
0:14:24 > 0:14:27- That song - could have been written about you.
0:14:27 > 0:14:31- That's where you became - more aware of Welshness.
0:14:31 > 0:14:34- Certainly. It was a wonderful place.
0:14:34 > 0:14:38- It was the first time - I'd heard Welsh spoken all day...
0:14:38 > 0:14:42- ..and the first time - I'd heard a North-Walian accent.
0:14:42 > 0:14:45- I came from - a non-Welsh speaking family.
0:14:45 > 0:14:48- I shared a room with other girls.
0:14:48 > 0:14:52- I had my own room at home - since I didn't have any sisters.
0:14:52 > 0:14:55- It was great - sharing a room with other girls.
0:14:55 > 0:14:58- We had midnight feasts - and played the guitar...
0:14:59 > 0:15:01- ..and met people such as Dewi Pws.
0:15:01 > 0:15:06- I remember Dewi playing the guitar - and teaching me.
0:15:06 > 0:15:07- Is that where you met him?
0:15:07 > 0:15:08- Is that where you met him?- - Yes, in 1964.
0:15:08 > 0:15:12- I wrote it in one of the diaries - I keep at home.
0:15:13 > 0:15:15- It was a wonderful experience.
0:15:15 > 0:15:20- Being away from home without - my parents was a novelty too.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22- We all enjoy that experience.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27- As well as appearing - on music programmes...
0:15:27 > 0:15:32- ..your voice was used - as a backdrop to other programmes.
0:15:32 > 0:15:37- Here's a clip of a magazine - programme from the 1970s - Seren Wib.
0:15:37 > 0:15:40- It was presented - by Sharon Morgan and Emyr Glasnant.
0:15:41 > 0:15:42- You sang the title music.
0:15:45 > 0:15:46- # Shooting star
0:15:48 > 0:15:50- # Shooting star
0:15:52 > 0:15:54- # Shooting star #
0:15:56 > 0:15:59- Welcome to another journey - on the shooting star.
0:15:59 > 0:16:01- What's happening this week, Emyr?
0:16:01 > 0:16:05- Julian is wearing - a rather different denim jacket.
0:16:05 > 0:16:08- It has a hood - and a zip down the front.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- This costs about 1.15.
0:16:13 > 0:16:18- Under the jacket, he's wearing - a denim shirt which costs 7.
0:16:19 > 0:16:25- Diane is wearing a boiler suit - the - trousers and top are one garment.
0:16:25 > 0:16:28- This costs 1.15.
0:16:29 > 0:16:34- Under the suit, Diane's wearing - a white shirt with red stripes.
0:16:34 > 0:16:38- This is very expensive - even though it's a cotton shirt.
0:16:38 > 0:16:40- It costs 10.
0:16:40 > 0:16:42- Finally - the cap.
0:16:43 > 0:16:46- The cap costs 2.75.
0:16:46 > 0:16:50- # Shooting star shining brightly #
0:16:52 > 0:16:55- The male models - were having a great time!
0:16:55 > 0:16:57- Where's Julian now?
0:16:58 > 0:17:02- We showed that clip because you - have a keen interest in fashion.
0:17:04 > 0:17:06- You have a denim suit...
0:17:06 > 0:17:08- You have a denim suit...- - A jacket like that and jeans.
0:17:08 > 0:17:13- All the cast who appeared - in the pantomime Pwyll Gwyllt...
0:17:13 > 0:17:18- ..people such as Sbardun, - signed their names on the jeans.
0:17:18 > 0:17:22- I still have them at home. - I've kept a lot of items.
0:17:22 > 0:17:25- Do you have items from every decade?
0:17:25 > 0:17:27- Do you have items from every decade?- - Yes, since the 1960s.
0:17:27 > 0:17:32- I have a lot of clothes from Biba. - You're too young to remember Biba.
0:17:32 > 0:17:35- Biba was very trendy, - a lovely place to visit.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38- Next, we're going to see a clip...
0:17:38 > 0:17:43- ..which includes the song - we most associate with you.
0:17:43 > 0:17:47- Colli Iaith is synonymous - with the Tryweryn campaign.
0:17:47 > 0:17:51- Would you say that this - is one of your most iconic songs?
0:17:51 > 0:17:53- Without a doubt.
0:17:53 > 0:17:57- People still ask to hear that song - wherever I go.
0:17:57 > 0:18:02- I was singing in a relatively - English-speaking area last week...
0:18:02 > 0:18:05- ..and someone shouted out, - "Colli Iaith."
0:18:05 > 0:18:09- I had to sing it. When I get - a request I have to do it.
0:18:09 > 0:18:14- We have footage of the people - who lived in Capel Celyn...
0:18:14 > 0:18:17- ..before Tryweryn - was drowned in the 1960s.
0:18:17 > 0:18:22- Heather sings Colli Iaith - as a backdrop to the footage.
0:18:24 > 0:18:27- # Losing a language
0:18:29 > 0:18:33- # And losing dignity
0:18:36 > 0:18:38- # Losing muse
0:18:39 > 0:18:43- # Losing bardism
0:18:45 > 0:18:51- # Losing the golden crown of society
0:18:51 > 0:18:54- # And in its place
0:18:54 > 0:19:00- # A shallow, wasted language
0:19:02 > 0:19:06- # Losing creed
0:19:06 > 0:19:10- # Losing soul
0:19:11 > 0:19:14- # Losing the faith
0:19:14 > 0:19:18- # And forefathers' courage
0:19:20 > 0:19:25- # Losing everything - pure and beautiful
0:19:25 > 0:19:28- # And in its place
0:19:29 > 0:19:35- # Dirt and mud
0:19:37 > 0:19:40- # Losing land
0:19:41 > 0:19:47- # And losing smallholdings
0:19:48 > 0:19:51- # Losing Elan
0:19:51 > 0:19:56- # And Tryweryn
0:19:57 > 0:19:59- # Losing Claerwen
0:19:59 > 0:20:03- # And Llanwddyn
0:20:04 > 0:20:08- # And the whole country
0:20:08 > 0:20:14- # Beneath the dam's water
0:20:16 > 0:20:19- # Let's retrieve
0:20:19 > 0:20:24- # From the door of death
0:20:25 > 0:20:28- # A song and faith
0:20:28 > 0:20:34- # And respect for a dear language
0:20:35 > 0:20:39- # Let's retrieve
0:20:39 > 0:20:44- # The old heritage
0:20:46 > 0:20:53- # So Wales can start
0:20:53 > 0:21:04- # Another journey #
0:21:07 > 0:21:09- Very sad.
0:21:09 > 0:21:12- You had the opportunity recently...
0:21:13 > 0:21:15- ..to sing that song - at a special event.
0:21:16 > 0:21:18- Ffred Ffransis invited me...
0:21:18 > 0:21:23- ..to a protest march opposing - school closures in Wales.
0:21:24 > 0:21:28- He asked me to sing Colli Iaith - on the banks of Llyn Celyn.
0:21:31 > 0:21:33- It was very hard for me, - I must say.
0:21:33 > 0:21:38- I didn't understand its significance - when it actually happened.
0:21:38 > 0:21:40- I didn't listen to news - in the 1960s.
0:21:41 > 0:21:43- When Meic Stevens wrote Tryweryn...
0:21:43 > 0:21:47- ..I thought, - "Gosh, did this really happen?"
0:21:47 > 0:21:49- I couldn't believe it.
0:21:49 > 0:21:51- I translated it into English...
0:21:52 > 0:21:55- ..so others - could understand what happened.
0:21:55 > 0:21:58- I sing Tryweryn - in English and Welsh.
0:21:58 > 0:22:03- It's a song that stirs the emotions, - especially with images like that.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06- I've never seen that clip before.
0:22:06 > 0:22:10- I couldn't believe it. - It was very sad.
0:22:10 > 0:22:14- To finish on a happier note, - when did you gain a language?
0:22:14 > 0:22:17- When did you start speaking Welsh?
0:22:17 > 0:22:20- When I was married to Geraint, - I spoke English.
0:22:21 > 0:22:23- I was still learning Welsh.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25- When Geraint and I separated...
0:22:27 > 0:22:30- ..I decided I had to make an effort.
0:22:30 > 0:22:36- One of my friends, Catrin Edwards, - who wrote Paid Ag Eistedd...
0:22:36 > 0:22:42- ..she told me in 1980 that she would - never speak English to me again.
0:22:42 > 0:22:44- She kept her word.
0:22:44 > 0:22:47- That was the turning point for me.
0:22:47 > 0:22:52- If I had to speak Welsh to Catrin, - I had to speak Welsh to everyone.
0:22:52 > 0:22:55- 1980 - I was about ten years old!
0:22:57 > 0:23:00- I'd like to wish you - a happy birthday.
0:23:01 > 0:23:05- I know it's passed but it's a - special birthday for you this year.
0:23:05 > 0:23:09- It's passed - and I'm glad it's all over.
0:23:09 > 0:23:13- I'm 60 now. It sounds so old.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16- You can hardly - tell the difference between you...
0:23:17 > 0:23:19- ..and the picture behind you.
0:23:19 > 0:23:21- I have a few extra lines.
0:23:21 > 0:23:24- Thank you very much. - It's been a pleasure.
0:23:24 > 0:23:28- Thank you for inviting me. - I've enjoyed myself.
0:23:28 > 0:23:33- Thank you, Heather, - for sharing her memories with us.
0:23:33 > 0:23:37- That's it for this week. Goodnight.
0:23:48 > 0:23:50- # Remember
0:23:58 > 0:24:03- # Remember #
0:24:04 > 0:24:06- S4C Subtitles by Simian 04 Cyf.
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