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0:00:00 > 0:00:04- In this programme, - a love of tweed and of Wales...
0:00:04 > 0:00:06- ..with Dr Sheila ap Harri.
0:00:07 > 0:00:12- Clothes with a touch of drama - with Reverend Towyn Jones.
0:00:14 > 0:00:17- Stories and clothes - with Lisa Heledd.
0:00:18 > 0:00:20- Welcome to Cwpwrdd Dillad.
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0:00:45 > 0:00:47- Oscar Wilde said...
0:00:47 > 0:00:51- .."You've either got to be a - work of art or wear a work of art".
0:00:55 > 0:01:00- Reverend Towyn Jones enjoys clothes, - drama, reading, operas, magic...
0:01:01 > 0:01:02- ..and ghost stories.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06- Whatever he's doing, - he dresses for the occasion.
0:01:08 > 0:01:10- I hear you always look smart.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13- You always, always wear a bow tie.
0:01:14 > 0:01:16- When did you first wear a bow tie?
0:01:16 > 0:01:18- When did you first wear a bow tie?- - Women wear all sorts of things.
0:01:19 > 0:01:22- Men tend - to be far more conservative.
0:01:22 > 0:01:24- Men aren't adventurous enough.
0:01:24 > 0:01:27- The bow tie gives a bit more scope.
0:01:27 > 0:01:31- I think one should take - a little pride in your appearance.
0:01:31 > 0:01:34- Perhaps the word "pride" - is too strong.
0:01:35 > 0:01:39- You must respect yourself enough - to be well turned out.
0:01:40 > 0:01:45- Reverend DR Thomas, Aberystwyth, - once said of another preacher...
0:01:46 > 0:01:50- ..he wouldn't step into the pulpit - unless he'd combed his hair.
0:01:50 > 0:01:53- He said it - as a criticism of the man.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56- He could have been talking about me!
0:01:56 > 0:02:02- I wouldn't dream of setting foot in - a pulpit without combing my hair...
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- ..out of respect - for the congregation and for myself.
0:02:06 > 0:02:10- I like wearing suits and, - when possible, a waistcoat too.
0:02:10 > 0:02:15- That's probably the most pleasing - garment a man can wear.
0:02:17 > 0:02:19- It moulds to your shape.
0:02:19 > 0:02:22- It isn't easy to control the shape, - of course!
0:02:41 > 0:02:43- This is a heavy, tweed suit.
0:02:44 > 0:02:47- It's wonderful. - It's the perfect suit for me.
0:02:47 > 0:02:52- It comes with short trousers - and a pair of full-length trousers.
0:02:52 > 0:02:56- I really wanted the short trousers - and I have worn them.
0:02:58 > 0:03:00- They're plus fours, aren't they?
0:03:01 > 0:03:04- Yes, they're scrumping trousers!
0:03:04 > 0:03:08- They're not baggy - but I think they look quite good.
0:03:18 > 0:03:19- I love your light suit.
0:03:20 > 0:03:22- I'd like to take this out!
0:03:24 > 0:03:25- Leave it alone!
0:03:26 > 0:03:28- There are no pockets - in the jackets...
0:03:29 > 0:03:34- ..and I like the idea of a hanky - to match the rest of the outfit.
0:03:34 > 0:03:37- It calls for a little subterfuge.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39- Share your secret with us.
0:03:40 > 0:03:42- This is the way to achieve the goal.
0:03:45 > 0:03:49- If a puff of wind - blows my jacket open, the game's up!
0:03:51 > 0:03:53- Do you wear a dog collar, sometimes?
0:03:54 > 0:03:55- No. Never, ever.
0:03:55 > 0:03:59- I haven't worn a clerical collar - for many years.
0:03:59 > 0:04:03- When I last wore one, it was - for less than honourable reasons!
0:04:04 > 0:04:07- I'd been visiting a friend - in north Wales...
0:04:07 > 0:04:11- ..and one of the car's headlights - stopped working.
0:04:12 > 0:04:14- I had to drive back down, - late at night.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17- I borrowed a clerical collar.
0:04:17 > 0:04:22- I thought a policeman would be - more lenient if he saw my collar!
0:04:22 > 0:04:25- I wasn't stopped by the police...
0:04:25 > 0:04:29- ..so I don't know whether or not - it would have worked!
0:04:30 > 0:04:33- I was stopped by the police - one night...
0:04:33 > 0:04:37- ..and the reason they stopped me - was because of my bow tie.
0:04:37 > 0:04:41- They told me they'd seen - the dark bow tie I was wearing...
0:04:42 > 0:04:46- ..and they thought, "Hello! - He's been at some dinner or other!"
0:04:46 > 0:04:49- That wasn't true - - I'd been giving a lecture.
0:04:50 > 0:04:53- I don't think - the policeman was disappointed!
0:05:09 > 0:05:11- Are clothes theatric, - in your opinion?
0:05:12 > 0:05:15- Yes. Your clothes - certainly make an impression.
0:05:16 > 0:05:19- I was a child - in the years after the War...
0:05:19 > 0:05:24- ..and there was euphoria in the air - because the troubles were over.
0:05:25 > 0:05:28- My grandmother loved carnivals.
0:05:28 > 0:05:33- She dressed me up for carnival - fancy dress competitions many times.
0:05:35 > 0:05:37- I love to wear a cloak.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39- It's unconventional...
0:05:39 > 0:05:42- ..for a nonconformist minister - to wear a cloak.
0:05:43 > 0:05:46- I do wear it if it's bitterly cold - in the winter.
0:05:46 > 0:05:51- The cloak is heavy and thick - and you can wrap it around yourself.
0:05:51 > 0:05:56- I have found myself at a concert - in a particularly cold hall...
0:05:57 > 0:05:59- ..or at open air concerts...
0:06:00 > 0:06:04- ..falling fast asleep, - wrapped snugly in my cloak!
0:06:09 > 0:06:11- Lloyd George wore a cloak.
0:06:12 > 0:06:14- There's a certain splendour to it.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20- I'm a member - of the Ghost Club, London.
0:06:20 > 0:06:25- It's an old club, whose - former members include Dickens.
0:06:26 > 0:06:31- Most members have a conventional tie - but I had a bow tie made for me.
0:06:34 > 0:06:36- It's white ghosts - on a black background.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- It's already been tied, of course.
0:06:45 > 0:06:47- Tying a bow tie is an art.
0:06:48 > 0:06:51- I've tried to teach a few people - to tie a bow tie...
0:06:52 > 0:06:54- ..and it's really difficult.
0:06:55 > 0:06:58- I've had years of practise, - of course.
0:07:01 > 0:07:05- There's a certain sophistication - about a smoking jacket.
0:07:06 > 0:07:10- I have another, - older smoking jacket in here.
0:07:10 > 0:07:13- I received this as a present - when I was a student.
0:07:14 > 0:07:16- I've worn it many times.
0:07:16 > 0:07:20- You must wear a black tie - with a dinner jacket.
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- It looks good with a white shirt.
0:07:32 > 0:07:35- The only time - I wear a conventional tie...
0:07:36 > 0:07:38- ..is with a top hat and tails.
0:07:38 > 0:07:41- It's part of the wedding outfit.
0:07:41 > 0:07:44- I like the old custom - of dressing for dinner.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48- It makes a special occasion of it.
0:08:04 > 0:08:08- It was well worth coming, - just to see your wardrobe.
0:08:08 > 0:08:09- Oh, the door squeaks!
0:08:09 > 0:08:11- All we need now is a ghost story.
0:08:11 > 0:08:13- All we need now is a ghost story.- - All things are possible!
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0:08:38 > 0:08:39- I have two grandmothers.
0:08:40 > 0:08:44- One lives in my memory - and the other has lost her memory.
0:08:44 > 0:08:49- Both are beautiful, funny - and sharp when they're angry.
0:08:49 > 0:08:54- The difference between them - is only one remembers my name.
0:08:55 > 0:08:57- The memory is a strange thing.
0:08:57 > 0:09:02- My grandmother remembers she likes - a cup of tea with lots of sugar...
0:09:02 > 0:09:04- ..and only a china cup will do.
0:09:05 > 0:09:09- She doesn't remember - she's my grandmother and Mam's mum.
0:09:10 > 0:09:12- She only wore - Marks and Sparks clothes.
0:09:13 > 0:09:15- She had her hair styled - every week...
0:09:16 > 0:09:20- ..and she never left house - without lipstick and face powder.
0:09:20 > 0:09:25- Before the grandmother in my memory - became the grandmother I now know...
0:09:26 > 0:09:29- ..she sat down and stroked my hair.
0:09:29 > 0:09:32- She said she was getting old - and forgetful...
0:09:32 > 0:09:36- ..but, come what may, - she would always love me.
0:09:47 > 0:09:52- My grandmother - is the biggest influence in my life.
0:09:52 > 0:09:57- She first showed signs of dementia - when I was ten years old.
0:09:58 > 0:10:00- I remember her before then.
0:10:00 > 0:10:04- She was a smart lady - who wore nice clothes.
0:10:04 > 0:10:07- Dementia - started to take that away from her.
0:10:07 > 0:10:10- It stripped her - of her pride in her image.
0:10:11 > 0:10:15- The thing which hits me hardest - is losing her stories.
0:10:15 > 0:10:20- Stories are the threads which - create the fabric of life, for me.
0:10:21 > 0:10:23- I love to wear - second-hand clothes...
0:10:24 > 0:10:28- ..because I adore thinking - of the stories behind them.
0:10:29 > 0:10:34- Clothes can bring you good luck - and I'm quite superstitious.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43- What sort of clothes - will I see in your wardrobe?
0:10:43 > 0:10:45- Most are old.
0:10:46 > 0:10:49- I've also received a few garments - as gifts.
0:10:49 > 0:10:52- You'll see - lots of charity shop clothes.
0:10:54 > 0:10:58- When I'm in a shop, patterns, - colours and fabrics catch my eye.
0:10:58 > 0:11:02- I'll walk straight past - black or white clothes.
0:11:02 > 0:11:03- I rarely notice them.
0:11:04 > 0:11:06- Patterns stand out for me.
0:11:08 > 0:11:09- It's all about instinct.
0:11:12 > 0:11:18- I get excited when I feel fabrics - in a charity shop or a vintage shop.
0:11:19 > 0:11:23- Something stirs inside me - when I feel a special fabric.
0:11:39 > 0:11:42- Wow! - There's a lot of colour in there.
0:11:43 > 0:11:47- The patterns are amazing - and so is this wall, of course.
0:11:47 > 0:11:51- Do you hang clothes - and handbags there all year round?
0:11:52 > 0:11:55- Yes. I find it's the best way - to see what I've got.
0:11:55 > 0:11:59- I have a few dresses there - but it's mostly bags.
0:11:59 > 0:12:01- It's a work of art.
0:12:01 > 0:12:03- I swap the dresses around.
0:12:04 > 0:12:06- This is one of my favourites.
0:12:06 > 0:12:09- This is the first vintage dress - I ever bought.
0:12:10 > 0:12:12- I found it years ago in Amsterdam.
0:12:12 > 0:12:16- I instantly realized - this sort of dress suits my shape.
0:12:17 > 0:12:19- I wear it all the time. I love it!
0:12:35 > 0:12:38- That lovely dress - is a block of colour...
0:12:38 > 0:12:41- ..but most of your dresses - are patterned.
0:12:41 > 0:12:43- What a rich colour! It's great.
0:12:43 > 0:12:45- What a rich colour! It's great.- - I love this dress.
0:12:45 > 0:12:47- My best friend gave it to me.
0:12:47 > 0:12:49- She lives in Norway.
0:12:49 > 0:12:50- I wore it to a party.
0:12:51 > 0:12:55- I'd only been there for five minutes - and I was drinking red wine.
0:12:55 > 0:12:59- I had a glass in my hand - when a man bumped into me...
0:12:59 > 0:13:02- ..and spilt red wine - down the front of the dress!
0:13:03 > 0:13:05- It could have been a disaster...
0:13:05 > 0:13:09- ..but I decided to carry on - and try to enjoy myself.
0:13:10 > 0:13:14- Half an hour later - and the red wine had disappeared!
0:13:14 > 0:13:15- It's a magic dress!
0:13:33 > 0:13:36- Tell me about the top - with the pearls on it.
0:13:36 > 0:13:38- I got this at a clothes swap.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- My friends and I have - a clothes swap, every now and then.
0:13:42 > 0:13:46- A group of us get together - and bring clothes we no longer want.
0:13:47 > 0:13:52- One of us then auctions the leftover - clothes to the people in the room.
0:13:52 > 0:13:54- The proceeds go to charity.
0:13:54 > 0:13:56- I got this top and I love it!
0:13:56 > 0:13:59- I was the auctioneer - at our last clothes swap...
0:14:00 > 0:14:02- ..and I didn't like to bid on items.
0:14:02 > 0:14:07- People may have been loath to bid - against me because it was my party.
0:14:07 > 0:14:11- My love for this top - must have shone in my eyes...
0:14:11 > 0:14:14- ..because my friend bid for it - then she gave to me.
0:14:14 > 0:14:16- She said, "I know you want it."
0:14:17 > 0:14:19- I really love the pearls.
0:14:21 > 0:14:24- I bought it on eBay for 1.50.
0:14:25 > 0:14:28- I'll never go higher than 10. - That's my limit.
0:14:28 > 0:14:31- I have to be strong - because I could go nuts!
0:14:31 > 0:14:34- I must set some sort of limit.
0:14:41 > 0:14:44- I have - a large collection of buttons.
0:14:45 > 0:14:47- I don't buy new buttons.
0:14:48 > 0:14:55- I'll buy a shirt from a charity shop - because it has interesting buttons.
0:14:55 > 0:14:59- I love it when I find a button - and wonder, "On what was this?"
0:15:03 > 0:15:08- I've collected clothes and I start - a new chapter in their stories.
0:15:08 > 0:15:13- I've collected the stories, - woven into garments, over the years.
0:15:13 > 0:15:16- I'd be upset - if anything happened to them.
0:15:16 > 0:15:21- I could start a new collection but - I'd be heartbroken to lose this one.
0:15:23 > 0:15:25- It's the storyboard of your life.
0:15:25 > 0:15:26- It's the storyboard of your life.- - Yes.
0:15:44 > 0:15:48- When I touch Welsh tweed - and close my eyes...
0:15:48 > 0:15:53- ..I think about my childhood - and the west Wales landscape.
0:15:53 > 0:15:57- Drizzle, sheep on the hills, - primroses and streams.
0:15:57 > 0:15:58- It's special.
0:15:59 > 0:16:00- Comforting, isn't it?
0:16:00 > 0:16:02- Comforting, isn't it?- - Yes, like a teddy bear.
0:16:03 > 0:16:04- Who could not love it?
0:16:09 > 0:16:11- Sheila is a Doctor of Psychology.
0:16:11 > 0:16:15- She's loved Welsh tweed - since she was a child...
0:16:15 > 0:16:18- ..and she collected it in the 1970s.
0:16:18 > 0:16:23- My earliest memory - of a dress made of Welsh tweed...
0:16:23 > 0:16:26- ..was a photograph - of my parents' wedding.
0:16:26 > 0:16:30- She was a professional tailor.
0:16:30 > 0:16:36- She'd been an apprentice in Swansea - for five years before she married.
0:16:37 > 0:16:40- I saw this wonderful, - cream, flannel dress.
0:16:41 > 0:16:43- She'd made it herself.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46- Although I never - actually saw the complete dress...
0:16:47 > 0:16:49- ..I did see it, in a sense.
0:16:50 > 0:16:54- It was recycled - in all sorts of garments.
0:16:54 > 0:16:57- A dress for a doll and a petticoat - for my sister and me.
0:16:57 > 0:16:59- A Sunday apron.
0:16:59 > 0:17:02- Recycling was a way of life for us.
0:17:03 > 0:17:04- We recycled everything.
0:17:07 > 0:17:10- This bolero is very special to me.
0:17:10 > 0:17:16- It was recycled - from my mother's wedding dress.
0:17:16 > 0:17:18- Her wedding dress was cream.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20- You dyed it black, did you?
0:17:20 > 0:17:22- You dyed it black, did you?- - Yes, that's right.
0:17:22 > 0:17:25- When I left home - to go off to university...
0:17:25 > 0:17:28- ..this was one of the things - she gave to me.
0:17:29 > 0:17:31- She made it especially for me.
0:17:33 > 0:17:38- I wore this bolero last Christmas, - over this Liberty blouse.
0:17:41 > 0:17:45- I don't think I'm too old for these!
0:17:45 > 0:17:48- I also - wore these Donna Karan trousers.
0:17:48 > 0:17:49- Can you see the high waist?
0:17:49 > 0:17:51- Can you see the high waist?- - Wow!
0:17:51 > 0:17:53- It's fashionable.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55- I also wore black boots.
0:18:12 > 0:18:15- I said goodbye to Wales - when I was around 22 years old.
0:18:15 > 0:18:17- I was a young woman.
0:18:18 > 0:18:19- I found a job in Kent.
0:18:20 > 0:18:23- I felt very homesick.
0:18:23 > 0:18:27- It's a different way of life - and the people are different.
0:18:28 > 0:18:30- You become more self-aware.
0:18:30 > 0:18:33- You realize - what sort of person you are.
0:18:33 > 0:18:36- You also realize - what sort of Welsh person you are.
0:18:37 > 0:18:39- You question yourself.
0:18:39 > 0:18:41- I could design clothes...
0:18:42 > 0:18:46- ..and I'd loved Welsh tweed - ever since I was a little girl.
0:18:48 > 0:18:51- That's why I started - to make one or two dresses.
0:18:52 > 0:18:56- During the 1980s and the 1990s, - the whole thing grew...
0:18:57 > 0:19:02- ..and I called it 'Celtic Couture - a la Branwen ap Harry'.
0:19:03 > 0:19:06- What I tried to do - was create something modern...
0:19:06 > 0:19:10- ..which was - a departure from the traditional.
0:19:10 > 0:19:15- I wanted it to be simple - but fashionable.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20- I took a few of my dresses - to the Sloane Street boutiques...
0:19:21 > 0:19:24- ..and to King's Road, - Fortnum & Mason and Harrods.
0:19:24 > 0:19:29- They were interested in them - and I sold several dresses to them.
0:19:29 > 0:19:31- Business was brisk!
0:19:32 > 0:19:36- This dress really is wonderful and - there's something regal about it.
0:19:37 > 0:19:39- You look like a princess in it.
0:19:40 > 0:19:41- This dress has a name.
0:19:41 > 0:19:43- That name is Gwenllian.
0:19:43 > 0:19:47- My sister has the same design - in different colours - called Nest.
0:19:49 > 0:19:53- I wore this dress when we had - our picnics at Glyndebourne.
0:19:53 > 0:19:58- We watched wonderful operas - when I wore this at Glyndebourne.
0:19:59 > 0:20:02- You also knew no-one else - would be in the same dress!
0:20:12 > 0:20:15- What pleasure - does this Welsh tweed give to you?
0:20:15 > 0:20:21- It gives me an intense, - deep pleasure.
0:20:22 > 0:20:26- One of the things - which gives me great pleasure...
0:20:26 > 0:20:31- ..is to dress my wonderful donkey - in some Welsh tweed.
0:20:33 > 0:20:37- I put a coat over him - and he sometimes wears a hat.
0:20:38 > 0:20:42- I also fit his carriers - and we toddle off to the shop.
0:20:43 > 0:20:45- The best-dressed donkey in town!
0:20:45 > 0:20:47- The best-dressed donkey in town!- - Yes, I think so!
0:20:53 > 0:20:56- I wore this dress - when I went out to dinner.
0:20:58 > 0:21:03- I thought they'd all look at me - when I walked in wearing this dress.
0:21:04 > 0:21:05- I was fond of the colour.
0:21:06 > 0:21:08- I'm sure everyone did look at you.
0:21:08 > 0:21:11- I'm sure everyone did look at you.- - I doubt it! It was wishful thinking.
0:21:12 > 0:21:15- I received - several orders for this dress.
0:21:15 > 0:21:16- I may give you one more order!
0:21:16 > 0:21:19- I may give you one more order!- - I'll give you the pattern.
0:21:20 > 0:21:22- I sold this on the King's Road...
0:21:22 > 0:21:27- ..in one of the boutiques - where Mary Quant sold her clothes.
0:21:39 > 0:21:40- This is wonderful.
0:21:42 > 0:21:44- I'll explain the concept to you.
0:21:44 > 0:21:48- It's based on the bedgown - and the petticoat.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- The traditional Welsh costume.
0:21:50 > 0:21:55- Not only is it Welsh tweed - but it's also a Welsh concept.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58- Yes, with a very modern twist.
0:22:07 > 0:22:11- I designed it when I did - the Ikebana programme for the BBC.
0:22:12 > 0:22:14- That was in the early 1970s.
0:22:14 > 0:22:16- Have you heard of Ikebana?
0:22:16 > 0:22:18- Have you heard of Ikebana?- - Is it a Japanese art?
0:22:18 > 0:22:20- Yes, that's right.
0:22:20 > 0:22:24- It's the art of floral arrangement, - isn't it?
0:22:26 > 0:22:30- Yes, flower and twig arrangement, - through Zen Buddhism.
0:22:30 > 0:22:31- It's very symbolic.
0:22:35 > 0:22:37- Tell me about this cape.
0:22:37 > 0:22:38- It's really heavy.
0:22:38 > 0:22:40- It's really heavy.- - Yes, it's heavy.
0:22:40 > 0:22:41- It's also reversible.
0:22:42 > 0:22:46- My mother and I - designed this together.
0:22:47 > 0:22:51- I wore this with a big bag, - a pair of gloves and a hat.
0:22:54 > 0:22:58- It's not about one garment. - It's about the complete look.
0:23:16 > 0:23:20- I understand your collection is - about to leave its present home...
0:23:21 > 0:23:22- ..and find a new home.
0:23:25 > 0:23:28- Yes, it's going to - The National Wool Museum of Wales...
0:23:29 > 0:23:30- ..at Dre-fach, Felindre.
0:23:31 > 0:23:37- Most of the collection was made from - tweed bought from the Cambrian Mill.
0:23:38 > 0:23:41- That mill - is now housed in the museum.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45- Life is full of twists and turns.
0:23:46 > 0:23:48- When I created these dresses...
0:23:50 > 0:23:53- ..I never for a moment thought - they'd end up back home!
0:23:54 > 0:23:58- That's what will happen and I - can view them whenever I please.
0:24:20 > 0:24:22- S4C subtitles by Eirlys A Jones
0:24:22 > 0:24:23- .