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0:00:01 > 0:00:02- Welcome to Codi Pac.
0:00:02 > 0:00:05- I, Geraint Hardy, will be travelling - all around Wales...
0:00:06 > 0:00:07- ..to find some of our treasures.
0:00:08 > 0:00:11- If you want a weekend away, - you needn't travel far.
0:00:11 > 0:00:13- It's all on the doorstep.
0:00:13 > 0:00:16- Places to eat, places to stay, - things to do and see.
0:00:17 > 0:00:19- They're all here on Codi Pac.
0:00:26 > 0:00:29- I need a few things - for this journey. They're all here.
0:00:29 > 0:00:33- I have a notebook, pamphlets, - an orange camera...
0:00:33 > 0:00:37- ..a mobile phone, water, bag - and a car.
0:00:37 > 0:00:41- I don't need my passport - because I'm staying in Wales.
0:00:42 > 0:00:46- Wales may be small but - there's plenty to do and see here.
0:00:46 > 0:00:48- Over the next six programmes...
0:00:48 > 0:00:51- ..I'll be visiting - six different locations.
0:00:51 > 0:00:55- From Wrexham to Machynlleth, - from Beaumaris to Merthyr Tydfil.
0:00:56 > 0:01:00- I'll be looking at places to stay - and places to eat.
0:01:00 > 0:01:04- I'll find out a bit about local - history and try out some activities.
0:01:05 > 0:01:09- From the exciting to the relaxed, - there'll be something for everyone.
0:01:11 > 0:01:13- For help - following the programme...
0:01:14 > 0:01:16- ..head to the website - or search for the Dal Ati app.
0:01:17 > 0:01:19- On the programme this week.
0:01:19 > 0:01:22- Owain Glyndwr, Led Zeppelin - and a girl named Alice...
0:01:22 > 0:01:26- ..a tree-top refuge - and an underground adventure...
0:01:26 > 0:01:27- ..and much, much more.
0:01:28 > 0:01:30- Welcome to Codi Pac in Machynlleth.
0:01:33 > 0:01:37- The first thing I need to do is find - my accommodation for tonight.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42- Apparently, - I'll be sleeping with the birds...
0:01:42 > 0:01:44- ..under the canopy of leaves.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02- I haven't seen inside this - place yet.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05- The journey to get here - was incredible.
0:02:05 > 0:02:08- I came through the woods - and past the bluebells.
0:02:08 > 0:02:12- If the experience up there is - anything like down here...
0:02:12 > 0:02:13- ..it will be amazing.
0:02:23 > 0:02:27- What a way to get to somewhere over - this bridge, it's exciting.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29- This is even better. - Look at this area.
0:02:30 > 0:02:33- It's like an extra room under - the canopy of leaves.
0:02:34 > 0:02:37- There's natural wood everywhere.
0:02:37 > 0:02:40- Look at this, quite a special table, - to say the least.
0:02:40 > 0:02:43- The windows are perfectly crafted.
0:02:44 > 0:02:49- There's a throne-like chair - at the end of the table.
0:02:49 > 0:02:51- That's a great chair.
0:02:51 > 0:02:55- Beyond that, what do we have? - A private forest.
0:03:06 > 0:03:08- This place is perfect.
0:03:09 > 0:03:10- I can see that straight away.
0:03:11 > 0:03:14- There's plenty of room here. - A double bed. Room to sit down.
0:03:15 > 0:03:19- There's a practical kitchen - and character everywhere.
0:03:19 > 0:03:21- A wonderful fireplace.
0:03:23 > 0:03:25- Some practical shelves by the bed.
0:03:26 > 0:03:28- Seriously, this place is amazing.
0:03:29 > 0:03:31- I feel like - I'm in the world of fairies.
0:03:46 > 0:03:49- I could stay here all day.
0:03:49 > 0:03:52- I'm heading out - to the centre of Machynlleth.
0:03:52 > 0:03:57- I'm going to find out more about - one of Wales' most famous princes.
0:04:05 > 0:04:08- I'm meeting the politician - and author, Mike Parker.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12- I'm hoping to learn something - about Machynlleth.
0:04:12 > 0:04:16- Mike, we're in the Owain Glyndwr - centre in Machynlleth.
0:04:16 > 0:04:20- It's an important building - for the area and for Wales.
0:04:20 > 0:04:22- Can you explain why?
0:04:22 > 0:04:27- Owain Glyndwr held - a parliament in Machynlleth.
0:04:27 > 0:04:30- We know that. - It's a historical fact.
0:04:30 > 0:04:33- That was in 1404.
0:04:34 > 0:04:38- This was the most important - parliament held by Glyndwr, really.
0:04:40 > 0:04:44- Machynlleth was the perfect place - to do it.
0:04:44 > 0:04:47- It's sort of the crossroads - for the nation.
0:04:47 > 0:04:49- If you think about it...
0:04:49 > 0:04:53- ..Machynlleth is where the mountains - of North Wales...
0:04:54 > 0:04:56- ..meet the hills of South Wales.
0:04:56 > 0:05:01- It's where the farms of the East - can see the sea in the West.
0:05:01 > 0:05:04- It's the crossroads for the nation.
0:05:04 > 0:05:08- It was the perfect place to hold - his most important parliament...
0:05:08 > 0:05:11- ..and what we think - was a crowning ceremony.
0:05:12 > 0:05:14- We think that was a part of it.
0:05:14 > 0:05:17- Machynlleth was the perfect - place for that.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21- For visitors, what can they see - in this centre?
0:05:21 > 0:05:24- You can see the exhibition - around us.
0:05:25 > 0:05:27- It's jam packed full of things...
0:05:28 > 0:05:31- ..including the history - of Glyndwr's campaign...
0:05:31 > 0:05:34- ..the reasons it started - and the aftermath.
0:05:34 > 0:05:40- It's a place where you can learn - more about Owain Glyndwr's campaign.
0:05:41 > 0:05:44- There's also a shop - selling a lot of stuff.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48- Things that are related - to the history of Wales.
0:05:48 > 0:05:51- It's very popular, - a lot of people come here.
0:05:51 > 0:05:54- Everything you need to know - is available in one building.
0:05:55 > 0:05:58- A lot of people use it as a - launch pad, really.
0:05:58 > 0:06:02- They'll then go on to see places - like Sycharth...
0:06:03 > 0:06:06- ..that's the Glyndwr family home.
0:06:06 > 0:06:09- That's on the other side - of Montgomeryshire.
0:06:09 > 0:06:18- Machynlleth is a great place - as a base to explore mid Wales.
0:06:19 > 0:06:23- Personally, what's your favourite - thing about Machynlleth?
0:06:23 > 0:06:25- I'm very proud of this town.
0:06:26 > 0:06:29- It's a unique town. - It's a special town.
0:06:29 > 0:06:33- It's on its own in a certain way.
0:06:33 > 0:06:39- It's the place where Gwynedd, - Ceredigion and Powys all meet.
0:06:39 > 0:06:43- But yet again, - it's beyond the counties.
0:06:43 > 0:06:45- It's a place in and of itself.
0:06:47 > 0:06:54- More than any other small town - I've visited in Wales...
0:06:54 > 0:07:00- ..the people here, - there are a lot of communities here.
0:07:01 > 0:07:08- Like every town in Wales, but here - they mix more than anywhere else.
0:07:09 > 0:07:11- Thanks for the chat, Mike.
0:07:11 > 0:07:15- I'm looking forward to seeing more - of the area while I'm here.
0:07:15 > 0:07:17- Thanks for everything.
0:07:17 > 0:07:18- Thanks for everything.- - Welcome to the area.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27- To battle!
0:07:44 > 0:07:47- I've got a taste - of the history already.
0:07:47 > 0:07:50- I'm heading to the bowels - of the earth now...
0:07:50 > 0:07:54- ..to see what it was like to work - at the Braich Goch slate mine.
0:07:55 > 0:07:59- You can only gain access to the mine - through a specialist company.
0:08:00 > 0:08:01- Mark is going to show us around.
0:08:15 > 0:08:19- We're about to step off the main - path as it were.
0:08:19 > 0:08:22- We're going in to this dark, - wet chamber.
0:08:22 > 0:08:25- This is where the workers quarried - the best slate.
0:08:25 > 0:08:27- Mark, I'm coming to find you.
0:08:28 > 0:08:31- I hope you're still there.
0:08:36 > 0:08:37- Wow.
0:08:37 > 0:08:42- It's huge in here. These are - the good slates if you will.
0:08:42 > 0:08:46- This is what the workers - were looking for.
0:08:46 > 0:08:50- Beyond the slates, there's a - platform that was made for working.
0:08:50 > 0:08:53- There would be two people - working up there.
0:08:54 > 0:08:58- Four people would be down here - collecting the slate...
0:08:58 > 0:09:00- ..and moving it out of the mine.
0:09:00 > 0:09:02- That's what I'm standing on now.
0:09:03 > 0:09:06- Boys started working here - at around eight years old.
0:09:06 > 0:09:10- On average, miners died - at the age of 40.
0:09:11 > 0:09:15- If you look right up to the top - there, above the orange water...
0:09:15 > 0:09:18- ..there's an opening - and another tunnel...
0:09:18 > 0:09:20- ..that takes us to the next level.
0:09:20 > 0:09:26- Down by here, by that huge cliff, - there's another, lower level.
0:09:34 > 0:09:35- Believe it or not...
0:09:35 > 0:09:39- ..this is exactly how the miners - left their equipment and drinks.
0:09:41 > 0:09:45- The next day they didn't need to - return as the quarry was closed.
0:09:50 > 0:09:53- We've reached the last chamber and - the end of our journey.
0:09:54 > 0:09:55- Believe it or not...
0:09:55 > 0:09:59- ..that hole above me leads out - and to the top of the mountain.
0:10:10 > 0:10:14- I have to admit, - this is beyond scary.
0:10:14 > 0:10:17- It's wet and slippery.
0:10:17 > 0:10:21- That's the worst part. - I've got a rope holding me up.
0:10:24 > 0:10:31- To think workers here did the - journey without a rope is scary.
0:10:33 > 0:10:40- I'm currently walking - on a path made in the slate.
0:10:40 > 0:10:43- I'm not sure you can see it - at all from that angle.
0:10:44 > 0:10:48- This is the easiest part so far.
0:10:48 > 0:10:50- Despite that, my heart is racing.
0:10:54 > 0:10:57- My hands are currently black.
0:10:57 > 0:11:02- There's so much rain - and muck on this rope...
0:11:02 > 0:11:05- ..it's transferred to my hands.
0:11:06 > 0:11:08- Imagine working here all day.
0:11:10 > 0:11:15- When they told me I was coming to - Machynlleth for this programme...
0:11:15 > 0:11:19- ..I thought, lovely, nice little - shops in the town.
0:11:19 > 0:11:21- I'm almost at the top.
0:11:21 > 0:11:25- I'm so glad we're about to go for - lunch in Glan Yr Afon.
0:11:28 > 0:11:30- Wahey! Woohoo!
0:11:31 > 0:11:32- Yeah!
0:11:36 > 0:11:38- MASONRY SOUNDS
0:11:58 > 0:12:03- I had a great time in the mine. I've - now reached Glan Yr Afon restaurant.
0:12:03 > 0:12:08- There's a nice mellow area - for you to relax before food.
0:12:09 > 0:12:11- What I really like - about this place...
0:12:11 > 0:12:15- ..is the mixture - between traditional and modern.
0:12:16 > 0:12:19- Glan Yr Afon is in the middle of - Peniel village.
0:12:19 > 0:12:23- It's four miles outside Machynlleth.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35- This is the main dining area, - it has a harder look.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39- Despite that, - it's simple and effective.
0:12:41 > 0:12:45- Considering, I've just left the - quarry, it's nice to see slates.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48- As you can see, - this salmon looks wonderful.
0:12:49 > 0:12:51- After finishing this food...
0:12:51 > 0:12:54- ..I'm off to Machynlleth - to meet some local Welsh learners.
0:13:10 > 0:13:14- I'm looking forward to meeting - Helen Lindsay and Elizabeth Corbett.
0:13:14 > 0:13:18- Two women who became friends through - their love of the Welsh language.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23- Liz and Helen, - it's a pleasure to meet you.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25- Helen, you live in Machynlleth.
0:13:25 > 0:13:28- Liz, you live in Melbourne, - Australia.
0:13:28 > 0:13:32- How do you know each other?
0:13:32 > 0:13:36- When I came to Wales, - I made a connection with Helen.
0:13:36 > 0:13:38- It was through - Say Something In Welsh.
0:13:38 > 0:13:42- I told her I was coming to Wales - and I'd be staying in Corris.
0:13:42 > 0:13:45- It would be great to meet you.
0:13:45 > 0:13:47- Helen looked after me - when I arrived.
0:13:48 > 0:13:51- You meet up every time - you come to Wales now.
0:13:51 > 0:13:55- Helen, - where are you from originally?
0:13:55 > 0:13:57- I come from Birmingham.
0:13:57 > 0:14:03- Before I moved to Wales, - I lived in Hertfordshire.
0:14:03 > 0:14:06- I lived between - Watford and Hemel Hempstead.
0:14:06 > 0:14:10- Why did you decide to learn Welsh - in the first place?
0:14:13 > 0:14:16- I decided to move to Wales.
0:14:18 > 0:14:22- I wanted to take part - in the community.
0:14:22 > 0:14:25- It's important to me.
0:14:26 > 0:14:29- Liz, when you come to Wales - do you come here specifically...
0:14:29 > 0:14:32- ..to speak Welsh - and learn more about Wales?
0:14:33 > 0:14:36- That is the main reason I come.
0:14:36 > 0:14:39- I absolutely love being in Wales.
0:14:40 > 0:14:41- It's beautiful.
0:14:42 > 0:14:44- I like speaking in Welsh.
0:14:44 > 0:14:47- I like visiting different places.
0:14:47 > 0:14:51- I feel a little bit - like it's my home.
0:14:52 > 0:14:54- That's my heritage.
0:14:54 > 0:14:56- I came to visit Wales...
0:14:56 > 0:15:02- ..so a friend suggested - that I tried Say Something In Welsh.
0:15:02 > 0:15:05- it was incredible.
0:15:05 > 0:15:11- I'd been going to classes every - week but I couldn't form sentences.
0:15:12 > 0:15:15- I couldn't speak quickly.
0:15:18 > 0:15:24- I had to sit with my face like this - to think of what I wanted to say.
0:15:25 > 0:15:29- A friend suggested that I try - Say Something In Welsh.
0:15:29 > 0:15:32- With that, the penny dropped.
0:15:32 > 0:15:38- Overnight, - I started speaking in sentences.
0:15:38 > 0:15:41- We have Welsh-language classes - in Melbourne.
0:15:41 > 0:15:42- Wow!
0:15:43 > 0:15:45- They're weekly. - We have 15 people come in weekly.
0:15:47 > 0:15:50- I come back here - because I like the area.
0:15:50 > 0:15:55- I've made friends, - I'm a member of Merched Y Wawr.
0:15:55 > 0:16:02- When I walk up and down the street, - I can speak in Welsh with people.
0:16:04 > 0:16:06- I love the area now.
0:16:08 > 0:16:11- It feels a little bit like my home.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15- Liz and Helen, - it was a pleasure to meet you today.
0:16:15 > 0:16:17- Thanks for the chat.
0:16:17 > 0:16:21- I'm looking forward to returning - to my haven in the trees.
0:16:22 > 0:16:25- Before that, - I want to show you these options.
0:16:25 > 0:16:29- Beudy Banc's cabins offer - eco-friendly accommodation.
0:16:29 > 0:16:32- Inside, it's pretty and interesting.
0:16:35 > 0:16:38- If you're looking for some luxury, - where better than the bed...
0:16:39 > 0:16:42- ..and breakfast in the old vicarage - on the road to Corris.
0:16:44 > 0:16:47- I've had a busy but perfect day here - in Machynlleth.
0:16:48 > 0:16:51- There's nowhere better to relax - at the end of the day than here.
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0:17:04 > 0:17:07- I'm totally relaxed after - a wonderful night's sleep.
0:17:08 > 0:17:12- Next on the list is a famous cafe - in the town centre, Caffi Alys.
0:17:14 > 0:17:16- I wonder who Alys is.
0:17:36 > 0:17:38- Gail, we're here in Caffi Alys.
0:17:39 > 0:17:40- Who is Alys?
0:17:41 > 0:17:42- You're Gail.
0:17:42 > 0:17:46- I'm not Alys although a lot of - people think I am.
0:17:46 > 0:17:48- Alys was Owain Glyndwr's daughter.
0:17:48 > 0:17:53- According to legend, she sheltered - her father when he went into hiding.
0:17:53 > 0:17:55- Did you choose the name?
0:17:56 > 0:17:59- No, it was originally - called Siop Alys.
0:18:00 > 0:18:04- When I took over, I kept the name - Alys but changed it to cafe.
0:18:04 > 0:18:05- Tell me about the cafe.
0:18:06 > 0:18:08- We're in the middle of Machynlleth.
0:18:09 > 0:18:11- We're right next to the building...
0:18:11 > 0:18:13- ..where Owain Glyndwr - held his parliament.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16- It's a very old building. - We get a lot of tourists.
0:18:17 > 0:18:20- We offer cakes, hot food, soup. - I make all the food.
0:18:24 > 0:18:26- Yes, we provide all kinds of things.
0:18:26 > 0:18:28- You've hosted gigs here too, I hear.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31- Yes, we've started opening - late at night.
0:18:31 > 0:18:35- We've got something on - almost every weekend.
0:18:35 > 0:18:37- We've had Twm Morris - and Gwyneth Glyn here.
0:18:37 > 0:18:43- We've had Chilean gigs here - for the El Sueno festival.
0:18:43 > 0:18:44- It's been very popular.
0:18:45 > 0:18:48- Do a lot of Welsh learners come here - to speak Welsh too?
0:18:48 > 0:18:52- Yes, loads of learners. - They know the staff all speak Welsh.
0:18:53 > 0:18:54- I've got one or two learners.
0:18:55 > 0:18:57- Everyone can speak Welsh here.
0:18:58 > 0:19:00- They're happy to come in here - and speak Welsh.
0:19:01 > 0:19:05- We're on the high street here. - What else is on the high street?
0:19:06 > 0:19:09- There are a lot of independent shops - in Machynlleth.
0:19:09 > 0:19:12- There are two shops in the centre - itself.
0:19:12 > 0:19:15- Dwrgi, next door - sells local organic flowers.
0:19:16 > 0:19:19- There's also Lan Llofft upstairs.
0:19:20 > 0:19:22- There are wonderful shops in town.
0:19:23 > 0:19:25- We've got several - independent book shops...
0:19:26 > 0:19:28- ..there's the Deco shop, Ian Snow.
0:19:28 > 0:19:30- They sell homewares.
0:19:30 > 0:19:33- We've got a lot of wonderful shops, - really.
0:19:34 > 0:19:37- Everything you need - is on the high street.
0:19:37 > 0:19:39- Yes and loads of antique shops.
0:19:40 > 0:19:41- That's great.
0:19:41 > 0:19:44- There's no harm in looking. - Thanks for the chat.
0:19:44 > 0:19:48- This place is wonderful and - it was lovely to meet you.
0:19:48 > 0:19:51- There are plenty of places - to eat and drink here too.
0:19:52 > 0:19:55- Number Twenty One on the - High Street is worth a visit.
0:19:55 > 0:19:59- The Dyfi Distillery produces a - scrumptious gin using local plants.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04- For more information, - head to the website.
0:20:06 > 0:20:10- Look at these, unique shoes - which are hand-made at this shop.
0:20:14 > 0:20:17- Machynlleth's independent shops - are worth seeing.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24- I'm off to meet Raymond Jones.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27- I'm going to find out more - about local culture...
0:20:27 > 0:20:29- ..in this wonderful building.
0:20:30 > 0:20:34- Raymond, we're here in Moma, - could you explain what it is?
0:20:34 > 0:20:40- Over 30 years ago, - Andrew Lambert had an idea...
0:20:40 > 0:20:45- ..to establish - a Museum of Arts and Crafts here.
0:20:47 > 0:20:50- The Tabernacle, - a Wesleyan chapel was for sale.
0:20:50 > 0:20:55- Andrew purchased the building.
0:20:55 > 0:21:02- Through hard work from friends - and all kinds of supporters...
0:21:02 > 0:21:04- ..the idea has grown.
0:21:04 > 0:21:06- Yes, "tyfu" - grow.
0:21:06 > 0:21:12- It's grown into the World famous - centre that is here today.
0:21:13 > 0:21:15- What exactly is here - for visitors to see.
0:21:15 > 0:21:21- There are seven galleries, - there's a cafe downstairs.
0:21:21 > 0:21:24- There's an auditorium - for performing.
0:21:24 > 0:21:28- The old tannery is the new gallery.
0:21:28 > 0:21:32- A lot of volunteers help out here.
0:21:33 > 0:21:35- Most of them speak Welsh - as their first language.
0:21:36 > 0:21:40- Some of the volunteers - are learning Welsh too.
0:21:40 > 0:21:43- What do you enjoy - about working here in Moma?
0:21:43 > 0:21:46- I like the variety of people - who come here.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50- I like the artists who exhibit here.
0:21:50 > 0:21:55- I like preparing for - the Machynlleth festival every year.
0:21:56 > 0:21:58- That happens every August, I think.
0:21:59 > 0:22:00- You're a very busy man.
0:22:00 > 0:22:03- There's a lot of variety - in your work.
0:22:03 > 0:22:05- Thanks very much, Raymond.
0:22:14 > 0:22:17- Bron Yr Aur is the final place - on my journey.
0:22:17 > 0:22:21- The cottage is famous for its - connection to Led Zeppelin.
0:22:23 > 0:22:27- At the start of the 1970s they were - here "cyfansoddi" - composing.
0:22:27 > 0:22:30- Ruth Row and her family - live here by now.
0:22:31 > 0:22:33- You can stay here for a night too.
0:22:33 > 0:22:36- Ruth, we're here - in the middle of the National Park.
0:22:36 > 0:22:39- It's an incredible place. - It's so quiet here.
0:22:39 > 0:22:41- This is Bron Yr Aur Retreat.
0:22:41 > 0:22:44- What exactly do you offer here - at Bron Yr Aur?
0:22:45 > 0:22:47- Everyone is in this garden.
0:22:49 > 0:22:52- We have one large tent.
0:22:52 > 0:22:57- It's got a big bed - and it can sleep four people.
0:22:59 > 0:23:01- It's very peaceful here.
0:23:02 > 0:23:06- You can head up into the trees. - You can rest here.
0:23:07 > 0:23:10- A lot of people come here - for inspiration...
0:23:10 > 0:23:13- ..for peace of mind - and to write songs.
0:23:13 > 0:23:17- Do people come here - to relax and gain inspiration?
0:23:18 > 0:23:20- Yes. It's very quiet here.
0:23:22 > 0:23:25- You can sit back - and listen to the birds sing.
0:23:27 > 0:23:32- People want to see something - that has been inspirational.
0:23:32 > 0:23:34- You've also learned Welsh.
0:23:34 > 0:23:36- Yes, I'm sorry, I'm slow.
0:23:36 > 0:23:37- No, you're doing very well.
0:23:38 > 0:23:41- Why did you decide to learn Welsh?
0:23:43 > 0:23:45- My family is Welsh.
0:23:47 > 0:23:51- My great-great-grandfather - lived in Newport, Pembrokeshire.
0:23:51 > 0:23:53- My daughter is ten years old.
0:23:53 > 0:23:57- She goes to school in Pennal.
0:23:57 > 0:23:59- She speaks Welsh every day.
0:23:59 > 0:24:03- For me to bring that back, - it's deep inside me.
0:24:03 > 0:24:07- Also, I live here in Wales.
0:24:22 > 0:24:25- Since I got here, I've only heard - the wind in the trees...
0:24:26 > 0:24:28- ..and the birds singing.
0:24:28 > 0:24:30- Certainly after a few hours...
0:24:30 > 0:24:34- ..the mind quietens and the - creative juices start to flow.
0:24:34 > 0:24:38- I haven't found - a stairway to heaven just yet.
0:24:43 > 0:24:47- I've had a wonderful time here in - Machynlleth.
0:24:47 > 0:24:49- I'll be very sad to leave.
0:24:49 > 0:24:52- Before we go, - there's one thing I need to do.
0:24:52 > 0:24:54- Woohoo!
0:24:55 > 0:24:56- Yeah!
0:24:57 > 0:24:59- Woohoohoo!
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0:25:13 > 0:25:19- I'm Owain Roberts and - I'm the eldest Llaeth Y Llan son.
0:25:19 > 0:25:21- I run the business...
0:25:21 > 0:25:24- ..with my parents, Gareth and Falmai - and my sister, Llior.
0:25:25 > 0:25:27- I'm Llior, Owain's sister.
0:25:27 > 0:25:31- Mam and Dad - started the business in 1985...
0:25:31 > 0:25:37- ..and we grew up here, - immersed in the business.
0:25:38 > 0:25:42- We've been very aware of it - ever since we were born.
0:25:45 > 0:25:48- My job is to run the company - day-to-day...
0:25:49 > 0:25:53- ..and make sure the yogurt - is of the highest quality.
0:25:54 > 0:25:59- It's my job to look after the - sales and marketing side of things.
0:26:00 > 0:26:04- I make sure the sales team - raises the brand's profile...
0:26:04 > 0:26:06- ..and gets it out there.
0:26:11 > 0:26:14- Owain and Llior, - you have a wonderful place here...
0:26:14 > 0:26:17- ..just outside - the village of Llannefydd.
0:26:18 > 0:26:20- Is it good - to be able to work at home?
0:26:21 > 0:26:25- Yes, it's great and it's not far - to walk to work every day.
0:26:26 > 0:26:28- Owain, have you always worked here?
0:26:29 > 0:26:33- Yes, as I'm the eldest son, - I've worked here from the start.
0:26:36 > 0:26:38- As the eldest sibling...
0:26:38 > 0:26:43- ..it felt natural for me - to take over the business.
0:26:44 > 0:26:47- How far from your parents' house - do you live?
0:26:47 > 0:26:50- I built a house about 200 yards - up the road!
0:26:51 > 0:26:54- But that means - I can never take a sickie!
0:26:55 > 0:26:57- Is it too close at times?
0:26:58 > 0:27:02- Yes, it can feel that way, but - someone has to be on site every day.
0:27:02 > 0:27:07- Llior, you left home and moved - to London for a period.
0:27:08 > 0:27:14- Yes, I left home to go and study - in Newcastle Upon Tyne.
0:27:14 > 0:27:18- When I graduated, - I moved down to London...
0:27:18 > 0:27:22- ..to work in the fashion industry.
0:27:22 > 0:27:26- I lived in London - for almost nine years...
0:27:26 > 0:27:32- ..and I worked - for different fashion houses there.
0:27:33 > 0:27:36- What brought Llior back here, Owain?
0:27:36 > 0:27:41- Was the business expanding - and you needed her to come on board?
0:27:42 > 0:27:46- Yes. Marketing is a crucial part - of running a business.
0:27:46 > 0:27:50- I felt confined to running - the company from day-to-day...
0:27:50 > 0:27:54- ..and I felt that - our marketing could be improved.
0:27:54 > 0:27:57- We sat down - and discussed it as a family...
0:27:57 > 0:28:00- ..and my father asked Llior - to rejoin the company.
0:28:00 > 0:28:06- Do you remember receiving that - phone call from your father, Llior?
0:28:06 > 0:28:09- Yes, and it came - as a bit of a shock.
0:28:09 > 0:28:13- I wasn't shocked - to be asked to come home...
0:28:14 > 0:28:19- ..but I was surprised because I had - no experience in the food industry.
0:28:19 > 0:28:21- I was a bit apprehensive...
0:28:21 > 0:28:27- ..because I wasn't sure in what way - I could help the business...
0:28:27 > 0:28:31- ..even though - it's my family's company.
0:28:31 > 0:28:34- It was a gamble - to leave my job in London...
0:28:34 > 0:28:37- ..to come and work - in a completely different world.
0:28:37 > 0:28:40- I was leaving fashion - to focus on food.
0:28:41 > 0:28:43- Is it good to have Llior back home?
0:28:43 > 0:28:46- Is it good to have Llior back home?- - Yes. We work really well together.
0:28:46 > 0:28:48- Llior's strengths are obvious.
0:28:48 > 0:28:53- She put an advert out on TV - and that really boosted the brand.
0:28:55 > 0:28:58- You don't live - as close to work as Owain, Llior.
0:28:58 > 0:29:00- No.
0:29:00 > 0:29:02- No.- - She can escape!
0:29:04 > 0:29:07- I live in Chester, - so I have quite a long commute...
0:29:07 > 0:29:11- ..especially because - I have a family of my own.
0:29:12 > 0:29:15- I have a young daughter.
0:29:15 > 0:29:19- My work as a mother means I must - drop her off at her nursery...
0:29:20 > 0:29:22- ..before I come here.
0:29:23 > 0:29:28- You recently welcomed a new addition - to your family too, Owain.
0:29:28 > 0:29:32- Yes, my wife recently gave birth - to William Dafydd Roberts.
0:29:33 > 0:29:35- He has two big sisters - - Ani and Martha.
0:29:35 > 0:29:38- William is the new addition - to the family.
0:29:41 > 0:29:46- Do you hope to see your children - in charge of the yogurt pots?
0:29:47 > 0:29:51- Well, I'd like to think the business - will stay in the family.
0:30:04 > 0:30:07- Owain, this is - where the process starts.
0:30:07 > 0:30:11- Yes, milk from tanks outside is - passed through this pasteurizer.
0:30:12 > 0:30:17- It goes into tanks, where we add - ingredients like protein and sugar.
0:30:18 > 0:30:22- We then cook it up - and it's ready by the morning.
0:30:26 > 0:30:29- By the morning, you end up - with a product like this, Owain.
0:30:29 > 0:30:32- Yes. This tankful cooked overnight.
0:30:32 > 0:30:35- It's now ready to be processed.
0:30:35 > 0:30:41- These are the important ingredients. - This is where the magic happens!
0:30:41 > 0:30:43- Yes - these are the flavours.
0:30:43 > 0:30:47- When the yogurt is ready, - we pump it up to the hoppers...
0:30:47 > 0:30:52- ..and we add ingredients - such as the rhubarb we have here.
0:30:54 > 0:30:57- This must be one of the final steps.
0:30:57 > 0:30:59- This must be one of the final steps.- - Yes - the yogurt is packed here.
0:31:00 > 0:31:02- This is our main machine.
0:31:03 > 0:31:07- The pot comes down, yogurt goes in, - the lid is attached...
0:31:07 > 0:31:10- ..the heat sealers - then close the seal...
0:31:11 > 0:31:13- ..and the pot goes down the line.
0:31:17 > 0:31:20- Owain, what's happening here?
0:31:20 > 0:31:22- This is the packing area.
0:31:22 > 0:31:27- They attach lids here and put them - in plastic or cardboard trays.
0:31:28 > 0:31:30- What's the next step after this?
0:31:30 > 0:31:32- We chill them quickly...
0:31:32 > 0:31:38- ..to lower the temperature - from 20 degrees to four degrees.
0:31:38 > 0:31:40- The yogurt's warm at this point?
0:31:41 > 0:31:44- Yes, it comes out of the tanks - at around 20 degrees.
0:31:45 > 0:31:48- How many pots do you fill every day?
0:31:48 > 0:31:50- How many pots do you fill every day?- - Around 30,000.
0:31:51 > 0:31:52- Every day?
0:31:52 > 0:31:53- Every day?- - Yes.
0:31:54 > 0:31:55- Wow!
0:31:55 > 0:31:58- Gethin here has been - with us for five years...
0:31:58 > 0:32:02- ..and he's one of our most - reliable workers.
0:32:02 > 0:32:05- Did you hear - those kind words, Gethin?
0:32:05 > 0:32:06- Yes.
0:32:06 > 0:32:08- What's your job here, Gethin?
0:32:08 > 0:32:10- What's your job here, Gethin?- - A bit of everything.
0:32:12 > 0:32:13- I run the machines...
0:32:14 > 0:32:18- ..and I cover - when people are ill or on holiday.
0:32:18 > 0:32:22- I help put things in the fridge - and I help pack the yogurts.
0:32:23 > 0:32:27- You've been here for five years, - so you must enjoy your job.
0:32:27 > 0:32:29- Yes.
0:32:29 > 0:32:31- What sort of boss is Owain?
0:32:31 > 0:32:32- What sort of boss is Owain?- - It depends!
0:32:41 > 0:32:44- Gareth and Falmai, - we're in your polytunnel.
0:32:45 > 0:32:49- This plastic greenhouse gives you - a lot of pleasure, I'm sure.
0:32:49 > 0:32:51- Yes.
0:32:51 > 0:32:54- Now that Falmai - is running a bed and breakfast...
0:32:54 > 0:32:59- ..we take pride in feeding guests - with fresh produce from our garden.
0:33:01 > 0:33:06- Strawberries, raspberries, grapes, - lettuce, new potatoes.
0:33:07 > 0:33:09- It sounds perfect to me!
0:33:11 > 0:33:14- You established the business, - many years ago.
0:33:14 > 0:33:18- Let's turn back the clock - to the beginning, Gareth.
0:33:20 > 0:33:25- We started with a small, - 50 acre farm and 12 dairy cows.
0:33:28 > 0:33:32- It was tough to raise a young family - on 50 acres.
0:33:34 > 0:33:38- We had to find a way - to raise the value of our produce.
0:33:40 > 0:33:44- We decided to diversify - and take a very traditional route.
0:33:47 > 0:33:48- We started a milk round.
0:33:50 > 0:33:53- That meant - we could add a little bit...
0:33:54 > 0:33:57- ..to the income brought in - by the dairy cows.
0:34:00 > 0:34:03- We sold unpasteurized milk - in those days.
0:34:05 > 0:34:08- Why did you choose - to make yogurt...
0:34:08 > 0:34:11- ..rather than cheese, - ice cream or butter?
0:34:12 > 0:34:16- What happened - was just about our circumstances.
0:34:18 > 0:34:23- First, there was trouble with - salmonella in unpasteurized milk.
0:34:25 > 0:34:29- We lost business - and we had to respond to that.
0:34:29 > 0:34:33- The way we did respond - was to begin to pasteurize milk.
0:34:36 > 0:34:41- That was in the mid-1980s, and - everyone wanted low fat produce.
0:34:43 > 0:34:45- That was the starting point.
0:34:45 > 0:34:49- We had to separate the cream - from the milk...
0:34:49 > 0:34:53- ..and our first marketing venture - was to sell the cream.
0:34:56 > 0:34:58- It was good quality cream...
0:34:59 > 0:35:02- ..and the demand for it - grew and grew.
0:35:03 > 0:35:06- We were left with skimmed milk...
0:35:06 > 0:35:10- ..and we had to try to work out - what we could do with it.
0:35:10 > 0:35:14- We had to sell both the cream and - the skimmed milk to make a profit.
0:35:15 > 0:35:19- We had to sell both products - if we wanted to make a profit.
0:35:20 > 0:35:24- We did a lot of head scratching - and lots of research.
0:35:24 > 0:35:28- That's when - we first looked at yogurt.
0:35:29 > 0:35:33- Neither of us knew how to make it, - so we went to college to learn.
0:35:33 > 0:35:37- You then had to invest money - in machines to make yogurt.
0:35:39 > 0:35:43- Well, we started with two buckets - in the airing cupboard!
0:35:44 > 0:35:47- We didn't invest much money in it - at first!
0:35:47 > 0:35:50- Keep it in mind - that we were farmers!
0:35:51 > 0:35:54- How did things develop - over the years?
0:35:55 > 0:35:59- We first sold our yogurt - to a butcher's shop in Abergele.
0:36:00 > 0:36:05- We sold it in white, plastic pots - and we wrote 'yogurt' on them.
0:36:06 > 0:36:08- You wrote on the pots?
0:36:08 > 0:36:10- You wrote on the pots?- - Yes, but we couldn't do that today.
0:36:11 > 0:36:13- It was fine to do that 30 years ago.
0:36:15 > 0:36:21- And so, 30 years later, you've - passed the baton to Owain and Llior.
0:36:24 > 0:36:27- Is it difficult - to hand over the reins completely?
0:36:29 > 0:36:30- Yes, of course.
0:36:30 > 0:36:32- That's a big question!
0:36:34 > 0:36:39- Yes, and fortunately Falmai - has found a niche for herself...
0:36:39 > 0:36:43- ..running a five star - bed and breakfast here.
0:36:44 > 0:36:46- I'm the biggest problem!
0:36:50 > 0:36:53- I find myself - in some sort of no-man's-land.
0:36:55 > 0:36:59- When it's busy and - something needs urgent attention...
0:36:59 > 0:37:02- ..the old man - is quite handy to have around!
0:37:02 > 0:37:05- I get busy in the garden here...
0:37:07 > 0:37:11- ..but I can down tools and - do whatever job needs to be done.
0:37:14 > 0:37:16- It gives us great pleasure.
0:37:16 > 0:37:20- Yes, we're glad the children - wanted to run things here.
0:37:20 > 0:37:24- If they didn't, we'd have to - think twice about what to do.
0:37:29 > 0:37:31- Join me after the break...
0:37:32 > 0:37:36- ..to find out how Llior - runs her side of the business.
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0:37:45 > 0:37:48- Welcome back - to Llaeth Y Llan, Llannefydd.
0:37:48 > 0:37:53- I'm here with brother and sister, - Owain and Llior Roberts.
0:37:53 > 0:37:55- They now run this business.
0:38:00 > 0:38:05- The marketing and sales - side of the business...
0:38:05 > 0:38:09- ..means I have to travel - across Britain...
0:38:09 > 0:38:13- ..especially around Wales itself.
0:38:14 > 0:38:18- I attend meetings - with all sorts of buyers.
0:38:21 > 0:38:24- Buyers working for supermarkets, - in wholesale...
0:38:24 > 0:38:28- ..or buyers working for companies - we don't yet supply.
0:38:33 > 0:38:36- Llior, travelling - is part of your job.
0:38:36 > 0:38:38- How much travelling do you do?
0:38:39 > 0:38:43- Marketing and sales - involves quite a lot of travelling.
0:38:43 > 0:38:48- We attend meetings with buyers - who work for supermarkets...
0:38:48 > 0:38:49- ..and wholesalers.
0:38:50 > 0:38:54- We also do food shows, - consumer shows and trade shows.
0:38:55 > 0:38:59- We went to a trade show - at the NEC in Birmingham last week.
0:38:59 > 0:39:02- We were there for the whole week.
0:39:02 > 0:39:04- Who stocks your product?
0:39:04 > 0:39:09- Will we see Llaeth Y Llan yogurt - in supermarkets and local shops?
0:39:10 > 0:39:14- Our yogurt is currently available - in every part of Wales.
0:39:15 > 0:39:20- Our yogurt is available in - supermarkets throughout the country.
0:39:20 > 0:39:25- You can purchase it in Tesco, - Morrison's, Co-op and Asda.
0:39:26 > 0:39:29- I've seen several - television commercials.
0:39:31 > 0:39:33- It's an exciting time for you.
0:39:33 > 0:39:37- Television is an expensive - marketing tool...
0:39:38 > 0:39:40- ..for us, as a company.
0:39:40 > 0:39:44- We took the gamble - of paying for a television advert...
0:39:44 > 0:39:47- ..because we can't - be present everywhere.
0:39:48 > 0:39:53- We hoped the commercial would help - us sell the story of the brand...
0:39:53 > 0:39:55- ..and of the product.
0:39:56 > 0:39:59- How many flavours are there?
0:39:59 > 0:40:01- How many flavours are there?- - It currently stands at 14 flavours.
0:40:02 > 0:40:06- We'll launch our vanilla flavour - over the coming month.
0:40:08 > 0:40:13- We sell everything from natural - yogurt to strawberry flavour...
0:40:13 > 0:40:15- ..and from raspberry to toffee.
0:40:18 > 0:40:22- We also produce more unusual - flavours such as banoffee.
0:40:23 > 0:40:24- What's your best seller?
0:40:25 > 0:40:29- Believe it or not, - our most popular flavour is toffee.
0:40:29 > 0:40:30- Really? I wonder why.
0:40:30 > 0:40:34- I expected you to say strawberry - or natural yogurt.
0:40:34 > 0:40:39- I think it's because the - toffee flavour ticks so many boxes.
0:40:40 > 0:40:45- It appeals to young people, - children, men and women alike.
0:40:45 > 0:40:48- I think toffee flavour yogurt - is really adaptable.
0:40:49 > 0:40:52- You can eat it for dessert - or for breakfast.
0:40:52 > 0:40:54- It tastes really good...
0:40:55 > 0:40:57- ..even if I say so myself!
0:41:00 > 0:41:05- The business is growing and we've - decided to build a new extension...
0:41:05 > 0:41:08- ..where we'll create - a much bigger dairy.
0:41:08 > 0:41:13- This will help us - grow the business even further.
0:41:13 > 0:41:17- We'll demolish the old cowshed - to create this extension.
0:41:22 > 0:41:25- Llior, tell me more - about this extension.
0:41:26 > 0:41:27- It's a busy period for us.
0:41:31 > 0:41:36- We've received support - from the Welsh government...
0:41:37 > 0:41:38- ..to build a new dairy.
0:41:40 > 0:41:43- This will support - our expansion plans.
0:41:44 > 0:41:48- It will also make it possible - for us to produce some new lines.
0:41:50 > 0:41:52- It also means...
0:41:53 > 0:41:59- ..we can continue to send out - top-quality Llaeth Y Llan yogurt.
0:42:02 > 0:42:07- This extension will help us make - sure we keep producing yogurt...
0:42:07 > 0:42:08- ..for years to come.
0:42:10 > 0:42:13- This also means - the old dairy will be far emptier.
0:42:15 > 0:42:20- We now segregate sections, - in terms of allergens and so on...
0:42:21 > 0:42:26- ..so we could produce a totally - different product in the old dairy.
0:42:26 > 0:42:30- This would have no effect - on the new dairy...
0:42:30 > 0:42:33- ..which is custom-built - to produce yogurt.
0:42:34 > 0:42:38- We know the product - will benefit from the extension...
0:42:38 > 0:42:41- ..but how will it affect your staff?
0:42:42 > 0:42:46- It means we must develop the team - from our current level...
0:42:46 > 0:42:50- ..which stands - at between 38 and 40 staff...
0:42:52 > 0:42:54- ..to just under 80 staff members.
0:42:54 > 0:42:59- That goes hand-in-hand with the - Welsh Government grant we secured.
0:43:00 > 0:43:02- It's part of the conditions?
0:43:02 > 0:43:03- It's part of the conditions?- - Yes.
0:43:03 > 0:43:09- Despite the extension of the site - and the success of the yogurt...
0:43:09 > 0:43:14- ..it's important to remember that - it all happens here, on the farm.
0:43:14 > 0:43:18- Yes, and it was important to us - to stay on the farm...
0:43:18 > 0:43:20- ..and develop the company here.
0:43:21 > 0:43:26- Without being too sentimental, - we realize the story started here.
0:43:26 > 0:43:32- My family and all the components - that have created Llaeth Y Llan...
0:43:35 > 0:43:38- ..its background and character...
0:43:38 > 0:43:41- ..are all - linked with Tal Y Bryn farm.
0:43:42 > 0:43:46- If everything goes to plan - with this expansion...
0:43:48 > 0:43:50- ..and there are no problems...
0:43:51 > 0:43:56- ..the next step is to expand - into the tourist market.
0:43:56 > 0:43:59- We're keen - to attract more people here...
0:43:59 > 0:44:03- ..to come and see - the production process...
0:44:03 > 0:44:07- ..to visit the farm itself - and take a look around the garden.
0:44:11 > 0:44:13- For me, as a customer...
0:44:14 > 0:44:19- ..I really like to see that - family element still in place here.
0:44:19 > 0:44:21- It's still based in your home.
0:44:22 > 0:44:25- Yes, and if we'd moved - to an industrial estate...
0:44:26 > 0:44:29- ..we'd have stripped away - its personality.
0:44:29 > 0:44:32- Renovating the farm - means building on the land.
0:44:33 > 0:44:37- The new dairy will be built - on the site of the old cowshed.
0:44:42 > 0:44:44- But it means - the story continues...
0:44:45 > 0:44:48- ..and the family element - is still part of it.
0:44:55 > 0:45:00- It adds to our history and I think - our customers will be happy...
0:45:00 > 0:45:04- ..that we're here, - not on an industrial estate.
0:45:08 > 0:45:11- Mam and Dad - built an extension in 1995.
0:45:11 > 0:45:14- This will be the biggest project...
0:45:14 > 0:45:18- ..my sister and I will tackle - during our careers, I'm sure.
0:45:19 > 0:45:22- It's a continuation - of our parents' work in 1995.
0:45:23 > 0:45:28- These are exciting times - and the expansion is necessary.
0:45:29 > 0:45:33- I've spent a lot of time with you - over the past few days...
0:45:33 > 0:45:37- ..and it's clear you're united - and you think alike.
0:45:38 > 0:45:41- You're both - committed to the business.
0:45:41 > 0:45:43- Do you have disagreements?
0:45:43 > 0:45:47- Does that brother, sister element - come into play?
0:45:48 > 0:45:51- This may sound - like a bit of a cliche...
0:45:51 > 0:45:57- ..but as we're the son and daughter, - it gives it a different dynamic.
0:46:01 > 0:46:03- It can change the way we think.
0:46:05 > 0:46:09- We certainly - bring a lot of passion into it.
0:46:10 > 0:46:12- Yes, we do bring lots of passion.
0:46:13 > 0:46:16- We try to get that passion - from our staff...
0:46:18 > 0:46:22- ..but when you bring a family member - back into the company...
0:46:22 > 0:46:26- ..and you work with your parents, - you see that passion.
0:46:27 > 0:46:31- Llior and I know that sometimes, - that passion can boil over.
0:46:31 > 0:46:35- Yes, things can blow up - but it doesn't happen very often.
0:46:35 > 0:46:38- No, and it can be a good thing...
0:46:38 > 0:46:41- ..because we're trying - to get to where we want to be.
0:46:43 > 0:46:46- Could you work with your parents?
0:46:46 > 0:46:48- Could you work with your parents?- - And with your brother or sister?
0:46:48 > 0:46:50- We work well as a family...
0:46:51 > 0:46:55- ..but our parents tend to treat us - like children sometimes...
0:46:55 > 0:46:58- ..rather than as fellow directors.
0:46:58 > 0:47:01- Yes, things can get - a bit jumbled up.
0:47:01 > 0:47:05- Mam and Dad can think about - what happened yesterday...
0:47:06 > 0:47:11- ..but Owain and I must focus on - issues discussed in board meetings.
0:47:11 > 0:47:14- We must make sure - things are carried through.
0:47:15 > 0:47:18- On the other hand, - they're still Mam and Dad...
0:47:18 > 0:47:22- ..and they can still treat us - like 15-year-olds!
0:47:24 > 0:47:28- They don't talk to us as adults - who have children of our own.
0:47:30 > 0:47:32- That's the real challenge.
0:47:32 > 0:47:37- They've got to see us as individuals - who have families of our own...
0:47:37 > 0:47:40- ..but I'm sure - things will never change!
0:47:40 > 0:47:43- No, but they always offer us lunch.
0:47:44 > 0:47:48- Even if we argue, they always - offer us lunch or a cup of tea.
0:47:49 > 0:47:51- A cup of tea makes everything OK.
0:47:51 > 0:47:53- A cup of tea makes everything OK.- - Yes, and that's great.
0:47:53 > 0:47:57- Owain and Llior, thank you - and good luck with the expansion.
0:47:58 > 0:48:00- Thank you.
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