0:00:10 > 0:00:14APPLAUSE
0:00:14 > 0:00:17Hello and welcome to Debatable, the quiz show where talk is cheap
0:00:17 > 0:00:21but celebrity chat can win a contestant money.
0:00:21 > 0:00:25Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions
0:00:25 > 0:00:28to try to bag our jackpot of ?2,000.
0:00:28 > 0:00:30But they are not on their own,
0:00:30 > 0:00:33as they'll also have a panel of celebrity brainboxes
0:00:33 > 0:00:35debating their way to the answer.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38Will they help, or will they hinder? Well, that's debatable.
0:00:38 > 0:00:39So, let's meet them.
0:00:40 > 0:00:42On today's show, we have...
0:00:42 > 0:00:45journalist Rachel Johnson...
0:00:45 > 0:00:47we have reporter Michael Buerk...
0:00:47 > 0:00:50and broadcaster and campaigner
0:00:50 > 0:00:51June Sarpong.
0:00:51 > 0:00:52APPLAUSE
0:00:56 > 0:00:58So, that's the panel.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00Let's meet today's contestant.
0:01:02 > 0:01:03It is Daniel Chapman from Norwich.
0:01:03 > 0:01:05How are you doing, sir? I'm great, thanks.
0:01:05 > 0:01:06What do you get up to in Norwich?
0:01:06 > 0:01:09I'm a personal tutor for children of secondary school age,
0:01:09 > 0:01:11get them through their science GCSEs and A-levels.
0:01:11 > 0:01:14And also, your girlfriend has one of the greatest jobs in the world.
0:01:14 > 0:01:18She sells wine for a living. (She sells wine for a living!)
0:01:18 > 0:01:19Which is excellent,
0:01:19 > 0:01:21cos it means there's always lots of wine in the house.
0:01:21 > 0:01:24Tends to bring home two or three bottles a week, which is good.
0:01:24 > 0:01:26I mean, I'm very sorry for your trouble. I know.
0:01:26 > 0:01:28That's a terrible affliction, it really is.
0:01:28 > 0:01:29Are you ready to play? I am.
0:01:29 > 0:01:33OK, let's get this Debatable show on the road and play Round One.
0:01:36 > 0:01:38Daniel, this round is multiple choice.
0:01:38 > 0:01:41Each question has four possible answers but only one is correct.
0:01:41 > 0:01:45Now, helping you find the correct answer is our panel.
0:01:45 > 0:01:48Will you go with what they say or will you go your own way?
0:01:48 > 0:01:50It's ultimately down to you.
0:01:50 > 0:01:52There's two questions in this round
0:01:52 > 0:01:54and each correct answer banks you ?200
0:01:54 > 0:01:56which will go into your prize pot,
0:01:56 > 0:02:00which you will be playing for in our Final Debate at the end of the show.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02All set? Yeah. Best of luck, fella.
0:02:02 > 0:02:05Let's get cracking. Here we go. OK. Here's your first question.
0:02:28 > 0:02:32Well, I don't know for sure what the answer to that is going to be
0:02:32 > 0:02:35but I think there's a couple of things on there that I can rule out.
0:02:35 > 0:02:37And they would be? I'm going to keep those close.
0:02:37 > 0:02:39Oh, you are? I'll keep those close.
0:02:39 > 0:02:40I don't want to influence the panel,
0:02:40 > 0:02:41I want to get a feeling
0:02:41 > 0:02:43for how they're going to be helping me along in this.
0:02:43 > 0:02:46Cagey player! Mm. We've got a cagey player from the get-go here.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49Daniel, this only works on the basis of mutual trust.
0:02:49 > 0:02:52Oh, OK. That's a very good start, Daniel,
0:02:52 > 0:02:54you've really endeared yourself to the panel(!) Yes!
0:02:54 > 0:02:56They really want to work for you.
0:02:56 > 0:02:58Might start giving you wrong answers now.
0:02:58 > 0:03:00OK, guys, here we go.
0:03:00 > 0:03:02For what reason were the 1908 Olympics
0:03:02 > 0:03:04moved from Italy to Great Britain?
0:03:04 > 0:03:06It's the first debate of the show.
0:03:06 > 0:03:07Your debate starts now.
0:03:07 > 0:03:11Do you know, Michael? Erm...I know a few things.
0:03:11 > 0:03:15The 1908 Olympics were held in the old White City Stadium,
0:03:15 > 0:03:18which was by the old BBC Television Centre.
0:03:18 > 0:03:21And if you went round the back of the BBC Television Centre,
0:03:21 > 0:03:23there is a big plaque listing the medal winners.
0:03:23 > 0:03:28Really? And Great Britain won more medals, gold, silver and bronze...
0:03:28 > 0:03:31Home advantage. ..not only than any other nation,
0:03:31 > 0:03:34but all the other nations in the world put together...
0:03:34 > 0:03:37Wow. By a big margin, because we were best at everything at the time.
0:03:37 > 0:03:39Then. Yeah. But looking at these options, well,
0:03:39 > 0:03:42World War I didn't start until 1914, so, I mean...
0:03:42 > 0:03:44Yeah, so that's out. ..that's out of the question.
0:03:44 > 0:03:45Spanish flu was at the end of World War I
0:03:45 > 0:03:48and killed almost as many people, didn't it?
0:03:48 > 0:03:50More. Millions. It killed more. Millions of people.
0:03:50 > 0:03:52But that was at the end of World War I.
0:03:52 > 0:03:53Yeah. Extreme heat wave...
0:03:53 > 0:03:55But then where do you go, June, between the other two?
0:03:55 > 0:03:57Well, Mount Vesuvius...
0:03:57 > 0:04:02I mean, unless the Games were supposed to be on the site... Yeah.
0:04:02 > 0:04:04..of where the volcano was exploding,
0:04:04 > 0:04:06why would that affect it? Exactly.
0:04:06 > 0:04:10So we are left with one thing, which is extreme hotness.
0:04:10 > 0:04:11Yes. I think... Are we agreed?
0:04:11 > 0:04:13And we're not talking about you, Patrick.
0:04:13 > 0:04:15Or you, Daniel.
0:04:15 > 0:04:16Yes, you, Daniel.
0:04:16 > 0:04:20I hope... I hope this accords with your own view, Daniel,
0:04:20 > 0:04:22but frankly, given your attitude, I...
0:04:24 > 0:04:25Are we agreed?
0:04:25 > 0:04:26Yeah. Extreme hotness.
0:04:26 > 0:04:30Are we agreed? We think, the panel thinks, extreme heat wave.
0:04:30 > 0:04:32OK, they've gone for extreme heat.
0:04:32 > 0:04:35You were playing your cards close to your chest, there, Daniel.
0:04:35 > 0:04:37Was that one of the answers you were originally thinking about?
0:04:37 > 0:04:39Yeah, I think I'm happy with the panel's reasoning,
0:04:39 > 0:04:41so I'm happy to go with extreme heat wave.
0:04:41 > 0:04:43It's pretty good logic you're going with.
0:04:43 > 0:04:46Well, yeah. If the answer's right, it is.
0:04:46 > 0:04:48If not, then no. Yeah.
0:04:48 > 0:04:50So, you were saying that the 1908 Olympics
0:04:50 > 0:04:52were moved from Italy to Great Britain
0:04:52 > 0:04:54because of an extreme heat wave.
0:04:54 > 0:04:56It's for ?200.
0:04:56 > 0:04:58Correct answer is...
0:05:02 > 0:05:07Mount Vesuvius erupted, Daniel. No! Really?
0:05:07 > 0:05:10Despite having only two years to prepare,
0:05:10 > 0:05:14London in 1908 was the first Games to have a purpose-built stadium.
0:05:14 > 0:05:17There it is. Michael was right, there it is - White City.
0:05:17 > 0:05:21And the reason why the Mount Vesuvius eruption close to Naples
0:05:21 > 0:05:23cancelled the Olympics was
0:05:23 > 0:05:28it was so expensive to actually rebuild after the Vesuvius eruption
0:05:28 > 0:05:31that they couldn't afford to stage their own Olympics.
0:05:31 > 0:05:33OK. Never mind. Look, there's lots of time,
0:05:33 > 0:05:36lots of money still to put into that prize pot.
0:05:36 > 0:05:38Let's see if we can get the cash up with question two.
0:05:38 > 0:05:39Here we go.
0:06:00 > 0:06:03If you were going to make a guess, what would it be? Erm...
0:06:03 > 0:06:06I just, on the basis that possibly Ian Fleming
0:06:06 > 0:06:08is a bit more of a sort of local hero
0:06:08 > 0:06:10rather than a sort of international superstar,
0:06:10 > 0:06:12maybe I would have gone with Ian Fleming.
0:06:12 > 0:06:14You're edging towards Ian Fleming.
0:06:14 > 0:06:19Our well-travelled panel should be able to easily sort this out.
0:06:19 > 0:06:20Let's hand it over to them.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22Your debate starts now.
0:06:22 > 0:06:26I have never landed at any airport of any of these names, have you?
0:06:26 > 0:06:28No. I'm trying to think.
0:06:28 > 0:06:30I've been to Jamaica a few times, but I can't...
0:06:30 > 0:06:32Yeah... I landed in Montego Bay,
0:06:32 > 0:06:35and it doesn't say Ian Fleming International Airport.
0:06:35 > 0:06:39No. I bet you Ian Fleming has got an airport named after him in Jamaica.
0:06:39 > 0:06:41Do you think so? Yeah, I bet you he has.
0:06:41 > 0:06:44I... I really disagree with you, June, I really do.
0:06:44 > 0:06:47OK. I don't think people in Jamaica... I think it's Ian Fleming.
0:06:47 > 0:06:49..would name an airport after a foreign author.
0:06:49 > 0:06:52But I don't think they would consider him as a foreigner
0:06:52 > 0:06:55in Jamaica. I think they would sort of consider him as their own.
0:06:55 > 0:06:59I'm not sure they'd name one after a white writer who lived in Goldeneye.
0:06:59 > 0:07:01No. I bet they would. I went to the villa -
0:07:01 > 0:07:03it's very nice, his villa in Jamaica.
0:07:03 > 0:07:05I thought it was all really rather basic. No, it's not.
0:07:05 > 0:07:08It's lovely because it goes down to a beach
0:07:08 > 0:07:10and then there's a man with a little boat
0:07:10 > 0:07:12who talks to you about Ian Fleming.
0:07:12 > 0:07:15Yeah. I hope he's still there.
0:07:15 > 0:07:18Pele. I mean, Pele is such a towering figure
0:07:18 > 0:07:19in the world of sport.
0:07:19 > 0:07:24Brazil is so huge, they have got so many airports in so many places.
0:07:24 > 0:07:29So many airports! Belo Horizonte, Recife and Rio and Sao Paolo...
0:07:29 > 0:07:31Must be one called Pele. But he's alive, isn't he?
0:07:31 > 0:07:33Yeah, he is alive. He'd still have one. You don't have to be dead.
0:07:33 > 0:07:37Yeah. Is a Calcutta airport called Mother Teresa International Airport?
0:07:37 > 0:07:39Calcutta. Kolkata. Kolkata.
0:07:39 > 0:07:43Kolkata. Is New Orleans after Louis Armstrong?
0:07:43 > 0:07:45You'd think they'd probably, somewhere... Yeah.
0:07:45 > 0:07:48Somewhere in the South? Yeah. Louis Armstrong we're agreed on. Yes.
0:07:48 > 0:07:50Mother Teresa, surely she must have an airport.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53I'm going Calcutta. Kolkata. I think Ian. I think Ian Fleming.
0:07:53 > 0:07:54I think Ian Fleming. I think Ian Fleming.
0:07:54 > 0:07:57I'm happy to go with you both, so... Are you sure? Yeah. OK.
0:07:57 > 0:07:58June won't be to blame.
0:07:58 > 0:08:02The panel has come to a majority decision
0:08:02 > 0:08:06that the one of these that hasn't got an international airport
0:08:06 > 0:08:09named after them is the James Bond author Ian Fleming.
0:08:11 > 0:08:12Lots to chew over there, Daniel.
0:08:12 > 0:08:15Yeah. Rachel, of course, has stayed at the Ian Fleming Villa.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18June, of course, thinks that Ian Fleming
0:08:18 > 0:08:21WOULD possibly have an airport named after him in Jamaica.
0:08:21 > 0:08:24Yes, not the clear answer I was potentially hoping for.
0:08:24 > 0:08:27No. But I agree about Pele and Louis Armstrong,
0:08:27 > 0:08:30I thought that Louis Armstrong might have been New Orleans.
0:08:30 > 0:08:33Mother Teresa, I don't know.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35Because I think she was Albanian, wasn't she?
0:08:35 > 0:08:38Yeah. I think maybe if you were going to name an airport in Albania
0:08:38 > 0:08:40after anyone it would have to be her. Good point.
0:08:40 > 0:08:41I think I'm going to stick with Ian Fleming.
0:08:41 > 0:08:44OK. Good knowledge from you, Daniel,
0:08:44 > 0:08:46you're going to stick with Ian Fleming.
0:08:47 > 0:08:51For ?200, let's see the correct answer.
0:08:57 > 0:08:59The correct answer was Pele.
0:09:01 > 0:09:04Oh, God. It beat everyone. Yeah.
0:09:04 > 0:09:06There is a Louis Armstrong International Airport
0:09:06 > 0:09:07in New Orleans,
0:09:07 > 0:09:12We got to that one. Ian Fleming International Airport is in Jamaica.
0:09:12 > 0:09:14See? RACHEL: Whereabouts, do you know?
0:09:14 > 0:09:17I believe it is actually in Saint Mary. OK. OK.
0:09:17 > 0:09:22Mother Teresa has an airport named after her in Tirana in Albania.
0:09:22 > 0:09:24ALL: Well done, Daniel!
0:09:24 > 0:09:26And not Calcutta, Rachel.
0:09:26 > 0:09:29So, our panel no use on that one.
0:09:30 > 0:09:32Let's see if they are any better with pictures.
0:09:32 > 0:09:34It is time for Round Two.
0:09:37 > 0:09:39Daniel, Round Two is our picture round.
0:09:39 > 0:09:43All you have to do is place three pictures in the correct order.
0:09:43 > 0:09:45There are two questions in this round.
0:09:45 > 0:09:48Don't worry, we haven't got any money in the prize pot yet,
0:09:48 > 0:09:52but each correct answer in this round is worth ?300.
0:09:52 > 0:09:53So, here we go.
0:10:11 > 0:10:13Well, feeling reasonably confident
0:10:13 > 0:10:15that at least the panel's going to be a bit of help.
0:10:15 > 0:10:18So if you had to go for one at this stage, what do you think?
0:10:18 > 0:10:20I would assume that Tony Blair was the youngest.
0:10:20 > 0:10:23He looked pretty young during that sort of campaign times.
0:10:23 > 0:10:26And then Thatcher was Prime Minister for so long
0:10:26 > 0:10:28that she must have been quite young when she started.
0:10:28 > 0:10:31So I would go Blair, Thatcher, Major.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33You are going Blair, Thatcher, Major.
0:10:33 > 0:10:34The good news is
0:10:34 > 0:10:38that we have probably one of the greatest political panels
0:10:38 > 0:10:41that has ever been assembled in this country.
0:10:41 > 0:10:43This should be a piece of cake.
0:10:43 > 0:10:45Absolutely no pressure.
0:10:45 > 0:10:48Over to you, panel, your debate starts now.
0:10:48 > 0:10:50Oh... It's a doddle, isn't it?
0:10:50 > 0:10:52Yeah. It's a doddle.
0:10:52 > 0:10:53The wild card...
0:10:53 > 0:10:55Is between Thatcher and Major.
0:10:55 > 0:10:57..is that John Major was younger than you'd think
0:10:57 > 0:11:02because, you know, he tended to have an older image about him.
0:11:02 > 0:11:05But he was in his 40s when he became Prime Minister. Thatcher was 50.
0:11:05 > 0:11:06No, she was...
0:11:06 > 0:11:10She became Prime Minister in 1979... And she was... BOTH: ..born in 1925.
0:11:10 > 0:11:13Which is 54. 54, yeah. Oh, is it 54? She was 54.
0:11:13 > 0:11:15OK.
0:11:15 > 0:11:17Tony Blair... Was a baby.
0:11:17 > 0:11:21Daniel must be right - Tony Blair was in his early 40s, wasn't he?
0:11:21 > 0:11:22Yes, he was. 43? He was 44.
0:11:22 > 0:11:2444. I think 44. Yeah.
0:11:24 > 0:11:27John Major, he would have been...
0:11:27 > 0:11:28Who have I got?
0:11:28 > 0:11:32I've got Tony. I think he would have been... 50... ..in his 40s,
0:11:32 > 0:11:34but older than Tony Blair, don't you think? Yes.
0:11:34 > 0:11:36I think 43.
0:11:36 > 0:11:39Pass me Tony Blair. There you go. Breaking the scenery.
0:11:39 > 0:11:41Can you pass me Maggie?
0:11:42 > 0:11:43Just the person you'd want.
0:11:44 > 0:11:46My favourite(!)
0:11:46 > 0:11:47Absolutely.
0:11:47 > 0:11:52So, that is the decision of the panel - Tony Blair the youngest,
0:11:52 > 0:11:55John Major actually younger than you'd probably think at 47,
0:11:55 > 0:11:58and Margaret Thatcher was the oldest
0:11:58 > 0:12:00when she became Prime Minister.
0:12:00 > 0:12:02That was outstandingly specific, wasn't it?
0:12:02 > 0:12:05Yeah. I think I'd be mad not to go with it on that basis.
0:12:05 > 0:12:07I think, even though it's not quite what I thought...
0:12:07 > 0:12:10So you're going to go with the panel? Yeah, absolutely.
0:12:10 > 0:12:13So you went for Tony Blair, John Major and Margaret Thatcher,
0:12:13 > 0:12:15as did our panel.
0:12:15 > 0:12:17Is that the correct order?
0:12:21 > 0:12:23It is the correct order!
0:12:23 > 0:12:25APPLAUSE At last we're up and running.
0:12:26 > 0:12:28Well done, ?300.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33I have to say, Michael, what a performance that was.
0:12:33 > 0:12:36You were actually only out a year on two of those prime ministers.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39Oh, was I? Tony Blair, 43 years old,
0:12:39 > 0:12:42John Major was 47 years old...
0:12:42 > 0:12:45That's what he said. ..and Margaret Thatcher was 53 years.
0:12:45 > 0:12:48300 quid in the prize pot.
0:12:52 > 0:12:54OK, let's have a look at question two.
0:13:09 > 0:13:11Are you a fan of Radio 4?
0:13:11 > 0:13:15I was born and raised on a diet of Radio 4, for better or for worse.
0:13:15 > 0:13:16For better, clearly.
0:13:16 > 0:13:19Well, it certainly seems to be paying off now.
0:13:19 > 0:13:21Big fan of Just A Minute
0:13:21 > 0:13:23and Nicholas Parsons in general.
0:13:23 > 0:13:25Desert Island Discs...
0:13:25 > 0:13:28Again, I'm just not convinced that was on at a time
0:13:28 > 0:13:29that I really paid attention to it
0:13:29 > 0:13:32but I know that it's been through a lot of hosts
0:13:32 > 0:13:33over a long period of time,
0:13:33 > 0:13:36and obviously The Archers has been going since the beginning of time,
0:13:36 > 0:13:39as far as I know. So, basically, for a man born and raised on Radio 4,
0:13:39 > 0:13:41you have no clue.
0:13:41 > 0:13:43No, I think basically all I got from that
0:13:43 > 0:13:45was that I've heard of these three things.
0:13:46 > 0:13:48Never fear, our panel is here
0:13:48 > 0:13:50to shed some light on this.
0:13:50 > 0:13:53Panel, your debate starts now.
0:13:53 > 0:13:56Well, I'm a huge fan of The Archers,
0:13:56 > 0:13:59which has been going forever.
0:13:59 > 0:14:02Roy Plomley came up with the idea of Desert Island Discs
0:14:02 > 0:14:03and did it for a long time, didn't he?
0:14:03 > 0:14:05And then it was Sue Lawley.
0:14:05 > 0:14:07Yeah. And then Kirsty Young.
0:14:07 > 0:14:08And Kirsty was brilliant.
0:14:08 > 0:14:09Brilliant. Mm.
0:14:09 > 0:14:11But I don't think it's quite the same...
0:14:11 > 0:14:12Just A Minute... Just A Minute,
0:14:12 > 0:14:14I think that's a more recent programme.
0:14:14 > 0:14:16It also looks more modern in the logo, doesn't it?
0:14:16 > 0:14:19But that could have been... Yes, yes, yes.
0:14:19 > 0:14:21So, we can rule out Just A Minute.
0:14:21 > 0:14:23That is obviously the newest.
0:14:23 > 0:14:26My grandmother used to listen to The Archers and I think she's...
0:14:26 > 0:14:30I remember my mum saying that she had been listening to The Archers
0:14:30 > 0:14:32from the beginning... Mm.
0:14:32 > 0:14:35..and I think The Archers started in the '50s
0:14:35 > 0:14:37or right at the beginning of the '50s. Mm, yes. Yes.
0:14:37 > 0:14:39So I think that's the oldest, don't you?
0:14:39 > 0:14:41No, I think Desert Island Discs is the oldest,
0:14:41 > 0:14:43and I think The Archers...
0:14:43 > 0:14:45I'm sure you're wrong. I'm sure that started before the war.
0:14:45 > 0:14:46No. Or in the war.
0:14:46 > 0:14:48Roy Plomley came up with it,
0:14:48 > 0:14:50and he was doing it in the late '50s, early '60s,
0:14:50 > 0:14:52something like that. Right, what about you?
0:14:52 > 0:14:55OK, Desert Island Discs, The Archers, Just A Minute.
0:14:55 > 0:14:57Desert Island Discs? You're Desert Island Discs?
0:14:57 > 0:14:59It goes for me, the order,
0:14:59 > 0:15:02Desert Island Discs, The Archers, Just A Minute.
0:15:02 > 0:15:03I think you're wrong.
0:15:03 > 0:15:06I think it's Archers, Desert Island Discs, Just A Minute.
0:15:06 > 0:15:10But I'm a democrat, so, by majority vote, entirely wrongly,
0:15:10 > 0:15:14the panel thinks that Desert Island Discs...
0:15:14 > 0:15:17(They think that Desert Island Discs is the oldest!)
0:15:17 > 0:15:19The Archers second,
0:15:19 > 0:15:22Just A Minute the newest of the Radio 4 programmes.
0:15:22 > 0:15:27So I think we can safely say that is a unanimous decision by our panel(!)
0:15:27 > 0:15:30Michael adamant that this is the wrong order,
0:15:30 > 0:15:32he has gone along with the rest of the panel.
0:15:32 > 0:15:34What are we thinking, Daniel, after that?
0:15:34 > 0:15:37I don't think I can overlook the fact
0:15:37 > 0:15:40that I'm pretty sure The Archers has been on forever,
0:15:40 > 0:15:42and so I still think that - sorry, panel -
0:15:42 > 0:15:44I'm going to be putting that in as my oldest one,
0:15:44 > 0:15:45because I've got grandparents
0:15:45 > 0:15:48who've always listened to The Archers, as well.
0:15:48 > 0:15:49And then for the others,
0:15:49 > 0:15:53I didn't realise that Desert Island Discs had such a rich history,
0:15:53 > 0:15:57so I think I'm happy to have that one in the middle
0:15:57 > 0:15:59and Just A Minute be the latest one.
0:15:59 > 0:16:00So you're agreeing with Michael -
0:16:00 > 0:16:03Michael looking slightly smug in the middle there.
0:16:03 > 0:16:08Well... So, for ?300...
0:16:08 > 0:16:12is The Archers followed by Desert Island Discs and Just A Minute
0:16:12 > 0:16:14the correct order?
0:16:18 > 0:16:21It's the wrong order!
0:16:21 > 0:16:22I'm sorry, Daniel.
0:16:22 > 0:16:25They're going to be right, aren't they? Sorry, Michael.
0:16:25 > 0:16:29Let's see what the correct order actually was.
0:16:29 > 0:16:30Ugh!
0:16:30 > 0:16:32Rachel.. Should have listened to me!
0:16:32 > 0:16:34..you were right to stick to your guns there. I should.
0:16:34 > 0:16:38Desert Island Discs, then The Archers then Just A Minute.
0:16:38 > 0:16:40Desert Island Discs was 1942,
0:16:40 > 0:16:43then The Archers in 1950... Oh!
0:16:43 > 0:16:47..and Just A Minute, 1967.
0:16:47 > 0:16:49Nice. Well, you were right, Rachel.
0:16:49 > 0:16:51You were both right. So, Daniel,
0:16:51 > 0:16:53after that heated debate,
0:16:53 > 0:16:55how do we think our panel is doing?
0:16:55 > 0:16:58It's one each for the two women, I think,
0:16:58 > 0:17:01and nothing for Michael in terms of this sort of argument.
0:17:01 > 0:17:03All right, all right!
0:17:03 > 0:17:05So, let's see where we go on Round Three.
0:17:09 > 0:17:10So, in this round, Daniel,
0:17:10 > 0:17:14you face a question containing three statements about a person,
0:17:14 > 0:17:15a place or a thing.
0:17:15 > 0:17:18Only one of those statements is true.
0:17:18 > 0:17:20You must decide which one it is.
0:17:20 > 0:17:23There are two questions in this round,
0:17:23 > 0:17:26and we're going to try and get this cash up for you.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29You're only on 300, so it is 500 for each correct answer
0:17:29 > 0:17:32in this round, OK? Here's your first question.
0:17:55 > 0:17:57They all look like they might be true, unfortunately.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00I was hoping there may be one that I could rule out straight away.
0:18:00 > 0:18:03The good news is that our panel was really good
0:18:03 > 0:18:08on old radio shows, and so they could be even better on old films(!)
0:18:08 > 0:18:12The confidence we can see oozing from our panel.
0:18:12 > 0:18:14Let's see if they can help you out.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17Panel, your debate starts now.
0:18:17 > 0:18:20Come on, Rachel. I think that the Citizen Kane one is a slight red...
0:18:20 > 0:18:22I think it's designed to mislead us,
0:18:22 > 0:18:24because that was in black and white. It was in black and white.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28And Gone With The Wind was in gorgeous, saturating colour.
0:18:28 > 0:18:31Yeah. But I think that that came before Citizen Kane.
0:18:31 > 0:18:33Yeah, yeah. I think that's a trick question.
0:18:33 > 0:18:35I think that's a trick question -
0:18:35 > 0:18:37and I think that Clark Gable didn't win an Oscar.
0:18:37 > 0:18:39No. No. I think famously he didn't.
0:18:39 > 0:18:42Yeah. And it was just before the Second World War.
0:18:42 > 0:18:44It was. Late '30s, maybe even '39.
0:18:44 > 0:18:47I think it was '39... I think it's the last one.
0:18:47 > 0:18:50Yeah, and I think the novel was 1930, I think the novel came out.
0:18:50 > 0:18:52So, it would be in the same decade.
0:18:52 > 0:18:55Yeah. It took about a decade to read the book, as I remember it.
0:18:55 > 0:18:57It was about 1,000 pages long.
0:18:57 > 0:18:59But what I want is to get June...
0:18:59 > 0:19:02to do the famous line.
0:19:02 > 0:19:03"Frankly, my dear..."
0:19:03 > 0:19:04"I don't give a damn!"
0:19:06 > 0:19:10Well done, well done. "Rhett, Rhett! Rhett, Rhett!"
0:19:10 > 0:19:13Yeah. People used to say I look a bit like Clark Gable.
0:19:13 > 0:19:15Oh, and you still do, Michael. You still do!
0:19:15 > 0:19:16They don't say it any more.
0:19:16 > 0:19:18You've got a bit of a Clark about you.
0:19:19 > 0:19:20So, anyway, where are we?
0:19:20 > 0:19:22We're going for number three.
0:19:22 > 0:19:24Novel and film released in the same decade.
0:19:24 > 0:19:26Definitely Clark Gable didn't win an Oscar. No, no.
0:19:26 > 0:19:31Vivien Leigh did. Yeah. I think, you think, you think... Yes.
0:19:31 > 0:19:33the panel thinks the novel and the film
0:19:33 > 0:19:36were released in the same decade.
0:19:37 > 0:19:40So, our panel have gone for saying the novel and the film
0:19:40 > 0:19:41were released in the same decade.
0:19:41 > 0:19:43It was nice of them to pick out
0:19:43 > 0:19:45that Clark Gable didn't win the Best Actor Oscar -
0:19:45 > 0:19:48I'd never heard that before, so that was really helpful.
0:19:48 > 0:19:49And I hadn't even considered
0:19:49 > 0:19:52the whole colour and black and white issue,
0:19:52 > 0:19:55so, yes, I think in the face of that kind of film knowledge,
0:19:55 > 0:19:57it would be silly for me to argue,
0:19:57 > 0:19:59so I think I'm happy to go with them as well.
0:19:59 > 0:20:01So, Daniel, you are agreeing with the panel.
0:20:01 > 0:20:02You are going for C,
0:20:02 > 0:20:06the novel and the film were released in the same decade.
0:20:06 > 0:20:09Is C the correct statement, for ?500?
0:20:13 > 0:20:15It is the correct answer!
0:20:15 > 0:20:17APPLAUSE We got there in the end.
0:20:17 > 0:20:19Well done.
0:20:19 > 0:20:20The film, 1939,
0:20:20 > 0:20:22and the novel was released in 1936.
0:20:22 > 0:20:24So, well played.
0:20:24 > 0:20:27We are now up to ?800.
0:20:27 > 0:20:28APPLAUSE
0:20:30 > 0:20:32Starting to look a bit healthier.
0:20:32 > 0:20:33It's starting to look a bit healthier
0:20:33 > 0:20:36and we still have another question before our Final Debate,
0:20:36 > 0:20:38so let's see if we can get this up to ?1,300.
0:20:38 > 0:20:40Here's the second question of the round.
0:20:59 > 0:21:00Are you a man for the gee-gees?
0:21:00 > 0:21:02Do you like a bit of a gamble, Daniel?
0:21:02 > 0:21:04No, to be perfectly honest.
0:21:04 > 0:21:06Not a huge horse racing fan.
0:21:06 > 0:21:09So, basically, pretend that this is the Grand National
0:21:09 > 0:21:11and do what all of us do on the morning of the Grand National.
0:21:11 > 0:21:14If you had to stick a pin in one of those, what would it be?
0:21:14 > 0:21:17I think I'm feeling B at the moment.
0:21:17 > 0:21:20OK, he's feeling that it may be B.
0:21:20 > 0:21:24Let's see if our panel can get you up to ?1,300.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26Over to you. Your debate starts now.
0:21:26 > 0:21:29Um... Yeah, this is tricky.
0:21:29 > 0:21:33The only thing I do know is it doesn't take place before...
0:21:33 > 0:21:37I am a rugby fan. The 2016 Six Nations started...
0:21:37 > 0:21:39February? The beginning of February, yeah.
0:21:39 > 0:21:41It runs February and into March, doesn't it?
0:21:41 > 0:21:43The Grand National is in April. It's in April,
0:21:43 > 0:21:46or end of March at the earliest. It's in April, I know that.
0:21:46 > 0:21:48So that's wrong. So that is definitely wrong.
0:21:48 > 0:21:50On the cancellation... It was cancelled once...
0:21:50 > 0:21:52It was cancelled for foot and mouth, I think.
0:21:52 > 0:21:53Oh, yeah! I think that was right.
0:21:53 > 0:21:57I think it was cancelled in the war, as well. Oh, yeah, maybe.
0:21:57 > 0:21:59So that's wrong, that's wrong,
0:21:59 > 0:22:03so it must be - first staged in the 19th century. Yeah. So, are you...?
0:22:03 > 0:22:06You agree? Yes. First staged in the 19th century is the true thing.
0:22:06 > 0:22:07Yeah. Are we agreed on that?
0:22:07 > 0:22:11Yeah. Yeah. So, the panel unanimously thinks, perhaps wrongly,
0:22:11 > 0:22:17that the answer is C, that it was first staged in the 19th century.
0:22:17 > 0:22:19So, Daniel, which one do you feel?
0:22:19 > 0:22:22Yeah, I hadn't even considered that, obviously,
0:22:22 > 0:22:25there have been two world wars and foot and mouth in between,
0:22:25 > 0:22:28so it does seem likely that it might have been cancelled more than once.
0:22:28 > 0:22:33So, yes, I'll put the last bit of faith in the panel
0:22:33 > 0:22:36and we'll say that it was first staged in the 19th century.
0:22:36 > 0:22:38Go with them. OK.
0:22:38 > 0:22:42So, you are going with C, first staged in the 19th century.
0:22:42 > 0:22:46If it's correct, we add ?500 to your prize pot
0:22:46 > 0:22:49and you play for 1,300 in the Final Debate.
0:22:49 > 0:22:52Let's see. Is C the true statement?
0:22:56 > 0:22:57It is the correct answer!
0:22:57 > 0:22:59APPLAUSE Well done.
0:23:00 > 0:23:01Well played.
0:23:01 > 0:23:05The Grand National was first staged in 1839.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08The Six Nations, of course, was in February 2016,
0:23:08 > 0:23:11the Grand National - you were right, Rachel - it was in April.
0:23:11 > 0:23:13It was actually cancelled more than once.
0:23:13 > 0:23:16It was cancelled in 1993 due to a couple of false starts,
0:23:16 > 0:23:19it was also cancelled during the First World War
0:23:19 > 0:23:20and the Second World War.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22But none of that matters
0:23:22 > 0:23:25because we are now up to a prize pot of ?1,300.
0:23:25 > 0:23:27Hooray!
0:23:27 > 0:23:28APPLAUSE
0:23:31 > 0:23:33Well, there is just one question
0:23:33 > 0:23:35that stands between you and that ?1,300
0:23:35 > 0:23:37and that is today's Final Debate.
0:23:37 > 0:23:39You'll face one question.
0:23:39 > 0:23:43The question has six possible answers but only three are correct.
0:23:43 > 0:23:46Now, to win the cash, we need you to identify all three.
0:23:46 > 0:23:49OK. As before, you're not going to be playing alone,
0:23:49 > 0:23:50but as this is the Final Debate
0:23:50 > 0:23:53we're going to make life a little bit more tricky
0:23:53 > 0:23:56by allowing you to access only one of our celebrity panel.
0:23:56 > 0:24:00So you and your celebrity will have 45 seconds to debate the question.
0:24:00 > 0:24:04So now, Daniel, based on their performances in the show so far,
0:24:04 > 0:24:06who would you like to join you for the final?
0:24:15 > 0:24:19Well, erm, I think I'm probably going to go with June because...
0:24:19 > 0:24:21RACHEL: Good choice. Wise.
0:24:21 > 0:24:24DANIEL: For the airport question, she was the one who managed to...
0:24:24 > 0:24:25Yeah. RACHEL: Ian Fleming.
0:24:25 > 0:24:26DANIEL: Stick with her right answer
0:24:26 > 0:24:28in the face of the majority vote the other way.
0:24:28 > 0:24:32So, June, would you please join Daniel as we play our Final Debate?
0:24:32 > 0:24:33APPLAUSE
0:24:38 > 0:24:40So, June, Daniel has chosen you for the Final Debate.
0:24:40 > 0:24:43Yes. He thinks you are the perfect complement for this round.
0:24:43 > 0:24:46I hope so. How does that make you feel? I'm very flattered.
0:24:46 > 0:24:47I hope I don't let you down, Daniel.
0:24:47 > 0:24:49Me too. LAUGHTER
0:24:49 > 0:24:51Cheers(!)
0:24:51 > 0:24:53OK, because we're so nice here at Debatable
0:24:53 > 0:24:55we're going to give you two categories, Daniel, to choose from.
0:24:55 > 0:24:58OK. OK. So have a look at these.
0:24:58 > 0:24:59These are our Final Debate categories.
0:25:04 > 0:25:07I'm better with Music. You're better with Music? Yeah.
0:25:07 > 0:25:10I'm probably stronger on Geography.
0:25:10 > 0:25:12OK, go with what you want. So...
0:25:12 > 0:25:13I think it would be a little unfair
0:25:13 > 0:25:15to kind of put all the burden on you. OK.
0:25:15 > 0:25:19So I think Geography is definitely going to be my one to go for.
0:25:19 > 0:25:22So you're going for Geography. Yeah. OK.
0:25:22 > 0:25:23Best of luck. OK.
0:25:23 > 0:25:25?1,300 up for grabs.
0:25:25 > 0:25:30So here is today's 45-second Final Debate question.
0:25:36 > 0:25:38Oh, OK.
0:25:52 > 0:25:55Daniel and June, for the final time,
0:25:55 > 0:25:57your 45-second debate starts now.
0:25:57 > 0:26:00The UK is 66 million, isn't it? Yeah.
0:26:00 > 0:26:02I think that the UK...
0:26:02 > 0:26:06possibly, and France I'm pretty confident with.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08It's sort of the third one, but I would sort of be needing...
0:26:08 > 0:26:09Well, not needing help,
0:26:09 > 0:26:12but we can kind of come to a conclusion together, hopefully.
0:26:12 > 0:26:15I wouldn't rule Germany out.
0:26:15 > 0:26:17Yeah. I...
0:26:18 > 0:26:21Yeah, well... That would have been my first thought.
0:26:21 > 0:26:24I don't know how many people there are in Poland or...
0:26:24 > 0:26:26Spain. Italy, I think there's...
0:26:26 > 0:26:28I can think of a lot of big cities in Italy and I can't think of...
0:26:28 > 0:26:3015 seconds. ..that many big German cities.
0:26:30 > 0:26:32But I don't know if that actually means anything. Mm.
0:26:32 > 0:26:34Maybe the ones that there are are even bigger.
0:26:34 > 0:26:37But Germany feels like the biggest powerhouse, doesn't it? Yeah.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40So maybe... Considering how powerful their economy is, as well.
0:26:40 > 0:26:43Yeah, there's got to be people doing something there. Yeah.
0:26:43 > 0:26:44Time is up.
0:26:44 > 0:26:47We need three answers, Daniel, please.
0:26:47 > 0:26:50OK, I think we're going to go for the United Kingdom,
0:26:50 > 0:26:52France and Germany.
0:26:52 > 0:26:54The United Kingdom, France and Germany
0:26:54 > 0:27:00you believe are the three countries with the largest population.
0:27:00 > 0:27:03If they are, you leave today with ?1,300.
0:27:03 > 0:27:07If one of those is incorrect, I'm afraid you leave with nothing.
0:27:07 > 0:27:09So best of luck. OK.
0:27:09 > 0:27:11First up, you said the United Kingdom.
0:27:11 > 0:27:13Is the United Kingdom one of the three countries
0:27:13 > 0:27:15with the largest population from that six?
0:27:20 > 0:27:22It is. APPLAUSE
0:27:22 > 0:27:25There's 65 million people in the UK.
0:27:25 > 0:27:27You then went with France.
0:27:27 > 0:27:30Is France one of our three?
0:27:34 > 0:27:35It is. APPLAUSE
0:27:35 > 0:27:37You were confident about that.
0:27:37 > 0:27:39It's 66 million.
0:27:39 > 0:27:41So, two out of three.
0:27:41 > 0:27:44Yeah. If Germany is the correct answer you leave with ?1,300.
0:27:44 > 0:27:46This is the one that you weren't sure about.
0:27:46 > 0:27:49You mentioned Spain, you mentioned Italy and then you went for Germany.
0:27:49 > 0:27:52If it is Germany, you leave with ?1,300.
0:27:52 > 0:27:53Is it Germany?
0:27:59 > 0:28:01Yes! It is Germany!
0:28:01 > 0:28:02APPLAUSE
0:28:03 > 0:28:06Congratulations! Congratulations, well done. Yeah!
0:28:06 > 0:28:10Germany was actually the largest population, with 81 million.
0:28:10 > 0:28:13Right, OK! Yeah! Well done. There we go,
0:28:13 > 0:28:15you leave with ?1,300. Excellent. Very nice!
0:28:15 > 0:28:16Well done. Thank you very much.
0:28:16 > 0:28:18APPLAUSE
0:28:20 > 0:28:22That is it for Debatable.
0:28:22 > 0:28:24There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel -
0:28:24 > 0:28:27June Sarpong, Rachel Johnson and Michael Buerk.
0:28:27 > 0:28:28APPLAUSE
0:28:28 > 0:28:30I do hope you've enjoyed watching.
0:28:30 > 0:28:32We will see you next time for more heated debates.
0:28:32 > 0:28:34For now, it's goodbye from me.
0:29:05 > 0:29:07Dip into the BBC Proms.