0:00:14 > 0:00:18Hello and welcome to Debatable, the quiz show where talk is cheap
0:00:18 > 0:00:21but celebrity chat can win a contestant money.
0:00:21 > 0:00:26Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions
0:00:26 > 0:00:28to try to bag our jackpot of ?2,000.
0:00:28 > 0:00:31But they're not on their own, as they'll also have
0:00:31 > 0:00:35a panel of celebrity brainboxes debating their way to the answer.
0:00:35 > 0:00:38Will they help or will they hinder?
0:00:38 > 0:00:41That is debatable and it's time to meet them.
0:00:41 > 0:00:44On today's show we have TV presenter Gethin Jones.
0:00:44 > 0:00:48We have broadcaster and journalist Angela Rippon.
0:00:48 > 0:00:50And broadcaster Alice Levine.
0:00:50 > 0:00:52APPLAUSE
0:00:55 > 0:00:58That is our panel. Let's meet today's contestant.
0:00:58 > 0:01:00It is Madeleine Thomas from Northamptonshire.
0:01:04 > 0:01:06How you doing? Hi. Welcome to the show.
0:01:06 > 0:01:08Tell us a little bit about yourself.
0:01:08 > 0:01:10I'm currently a trainee beauty therapist.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13Prior to that I was a burlesque performer and teacher.
0:01:13 > 0:01:15So how did you get into that?
0:01:15 > 0:01:19I entered the cabaret scene, as it were, as a belly dancer and then my
0:01:19 > 0:01:23skill set grew and the opportunities grew and I ended up doing burlesque.
0:01:23 > 0:01:24And so where have you performed burlesque?
0:01:24 > 0:01:28I've performed all over the UK but I was lucky enough to travel to
0:01:28 > 0:01:32Las Vegas to perform in a couple of shows there, which was fantastic.
0:01:32 > 0:01:34You're playing this very, very low key.
0:01:34 > 0:01:37So you've been a dancer in Vegas? Yeah.
0:01:37 > 0:01:40Just little off-the-strip shows, but still, wonderful experience.
0:01:40 > 0:01:42If you won the money today, what would you do with it?
0:01:42 > 0:01:44One-way ticket to Vegas.
0:01:44 > 0:01:46Oh, you want to go back to Vegas?
0:01:46 > 0:01:50OK, and what topics are you comfortable and confident in today?
0:01:50 > 0:01:54Well, if any questions about cats come up, we're all good. Oh, yes.
0:01:57 > 0:02:00As we get ready to play round one, best of luck, here we go.
0:02:04 > 0:02:05This round is multiple choice.
0:02:05 > 0:02:11Each question has four possible answers but only one correct answer.
0:02:11 > 0:02:12Helping you, we have our panel.
0:02:12 > 0:02:17Will you go with what they say or will you go your own way?
0:02:17 > 0:02:18There's two questions in this round.
0:02:18 > 0:02:21Each correct answer is worth ?200,
0:02:21 > 0:02:24so let's see if we can get you up to 400 by the end of it all.
0:02:24 > 0:02:27Ready to go? Mm-hm. OK, here is your first question.
0:02:46 > 0:02:49I'm kind of liking the sound of hiccupping right now.
0:02:49 > 0:02:53So you think that the hiccup and the cacha go together? Potentially.
0:02:53 > 0:02:55Don't worry, we don't need to make a decision yet.
0:02:55 > 0:02:58Obviously, Alice Levine studied English at University.
0:02:58 > 0:03:01This is my area. A master of words.
0:03:01 > 0:03:03We should solve this one for you really simply.
0:03:03 > 0:03:06We don't need a debate. We don't need the debate.
0:03:06 > 0:03:10OK, panel, let's see what you can do with this. Your debate starts now.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13Don't all look at me. Come on.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16Come on. Where did the teamwork go? Pin it all on me!
0:03:16 > 0:03:19People talk about a cackle when somebody's got
0:03:19 > 0:03:22a kind of a really raucous laugh, don't they? They do.
0:03:22 > 0:03:27It's a difference stem, isn't it? Yeah. You know, in Welsh,
0:03:27 > 0:03:29a CH is a JH.
0:03:29 > 0:03:32It could be ca-JH-innating.
0:03:32 > 0:03:36But then, in Welsh, cach means something else.
0:03:36 > 0:03:39What does it mean? It means visiting the toilet.
0:03:41 > 0:03:43That's not on the list. No, it's not.
0:03:43 > 0:03:47Thank goodness the option didn't come up.
0:03:47 > 0:03:50I'm between hiccupping and snoring. What are we going to go with, then?
0:03:50 > 0:03:53What do we think? I vote laughing. You vote laughing.
0:03:53 > 0:03:55Snoring it is for me. Snoring for you.
0:03:55 > 0:03:58Well, it's kind of two to one, isn't it?
0:03:59 > 0:04:01The team's going to go with laughing.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06OK. What do you think, Madeleine?
0:04:06 > 0:04:09I was quite unsure to start with. Now I'm even more unsure.
0:04:09 > 0:04:12Well done, panel, well done. And so are we!
0:04:13 > 0:04:16On this occasion, even though I have...
0:04:16 > 0:04:19celebrity royalty, I think I might stick with my answer
0:04:19 > 0:04:20and say hiccupping.
0:04:21 > 0:04:23OK, you're going to go against the panel.
0:04:23 > 0:04:26You're going to go for hiccupping. If that's OK. That is OK.
0:04:26 > 0:04:29You're playing the game. You're playing the game.
0:04:29 > 0:04:32For ?200, to get us up and running,
0:04:32 > 0:04:35is cachinnating hiccupping?
0:04:40 > 0:04:43It's laughing. Oh.
0:04:43 > 0:04:47It's laughing. The word cachinnate is of Latin origin.
0:04:47 > 0:04:50It means to laugh loudly.
0:04:50 > 0:04:52Madeleine, don't worry. Don't worry,
0:04:52 > 0:04:55there's still loads of opportunity to get this money up.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58200 up for grabs for our next question. So here it comes. OK.
0:05:21 > 0:05:26Anything jumping out there? The one that I'm not sure about is the YMCA.
0:05:26 > 0:05:29So I think I'm going to go with YMCA.
0:05:29 > 0:05:32Madeleine's first thought is YMCA. It's over to you guys.
0:05:32 > 0:05:33The debate starts now.
0:05:33 > 0:05:37Were you a Boy Scout? No, I was a Girl Guide. Of course you were.
0:05:37 > 0:05:39Woman's Institute obviously stands out
0:05:39 > 0:05:41as being quintessentially British, right?
0:05:41 > 0:05:42Oh, what's that face for?
0:05:44 > 0:05:47Let me just throw something into the pile here.
0:05:47 > 0:05:52I've recently had to interview Barbara Taylor Bradford, the writer,
0:05:52 > 0:05:55because she has written a new trilogy of books
0:05:55 > 0:05:56and in it she has a character
0:05:56 > 0:06:00who spends a lot of time in America and in the Second World War,
0:06:00 > 0:06:02there's a whole chunk of the book devoted to
0:06:02 > 0:06:05the way that the Women's Institute in their village in Britain
0:06:05 > 0:06:08is digging for Britain and doing all of those things that we did
0:06:08 > 0:06:09in the Second World War.
0:06:09 > 0:06:13And Barbara Taylor Bradford says in the book, via this character,
0:06:13 > 0:06:17that this was an idea that she picked up from America
0:06:17 > 0:06:21and that the Women's Institute actually started in America.
0:06:21 > 0:06:23Now, I trust her research so...
0:06:23 > 0:06:25More than me?
0:06:29 > 0:06:32Well, the Boy Scouts are obviously Baden Powell and the Girl Guides
0:06:32 > 0:06:34came of that, so that's very British. Yeah.
0:06:34 > 0:06:37YMCA, I've got a feeling, again, was founded in Britain.
0:06:37 > 0:06:39Oh, I don't know.
0:06:39 > 0:06:42The YMCA does stand out but maybe that's just because it's been in
0:06:42 > 0:06:47lots of pop-cultural references that makes you think that
0:06:47 > 0:06:49it's not truly British.
0:06:50 > 0:06:53OK, I think we're definitely eliminating
0:06:53 > 0:06:55Boy Scouts and Girl Guides. I agree with that.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57We think they're British. It's between the other two.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59I'm going to say...
0:07:00 > 0:07:05..that you guys probably know, so let's go with that.
0:07:05 > 0:07:09And I'm going to say...you probably know. Let's go with that.
0:07:09 > 0:07:12And Madeleine's hoping that you're going to say, "I do know."
0:07:12 > 0:07:14And I'm hoping that Barbara Taylor Bradford is right.
0:07:14 > 0:07:17I'm going to go with the Women's Institute.
0:07:19 > 0:07:23So here's where we are, Madeleine, in our first debate.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25Angela ploughed her own furrow.
0:07:25 > 0:07:27Got you the correct answer.
0:07:27 > 0:07:30In this debate, we've now got Gethin and Alice
0:07:30 > 0:07:33deferring to Angela's better judgment.
0:07:33 > 0:07:35Any help at all, Madeleine?
0:07:35 > 0:07:38I think I'm going to change my answer completely
0:07:38 > 0:07:39and go with the panel.
0:07:39 > 0:07:42So you're going to change your answer. You're going to go with
0:07:42 > 0:07:45the Women's Institute was not founded in the UK.
0:07:45 > 0:07:47Absolutely no pressure on you,
0:07:47 > 0:07:50Angela, as we lock this in.
0:07:50 > 0:07:55For ?200, was the Woman's Institute not founded in the UK?
0:08:01 > 0:08:02It's the correct answer.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09Oh, fantastic. What a team!
0:08:10 > 0:08:12The Women's Institute was founded in 1897
0:08:12 > 0:08:16in Stoney Creek, Ontario in Canada.
0:08:16 > 0:08:19Well done, Madeleine. We're on ?200 at the end of round one. Great.
0:08:22 > 0:08:23Hurrah!
0:08:25 > 0:08:28So, how do we think our panel's doing?
0:08:28 > 0:08:31Is there anyone in particular that's standing out there
0:08:31 > 0:08:33who's actually got genuine knowledge?
0:08:33 > 0:08:36I think Angela is standing out as very knowledgeable for me at the moment.
0:08:36 > 0:08:38Let's see how they cope with pictures.
0:08:38 > 0:08:40It's time now for round two.
0:08:43 > 0:08:45Madeleine, round two is the picture round.
0:08:45 > 0:08:49All you have to do is place three pictures in the correct order.
0:08:49 > 0:08:51There are two questions in this round
0:08:51 > 0:08:55and each correct answer is worth ?300,
0:08:55 > 0:08:58so let's see what you and the panel can do. Here we go.
0:09:16 > 0:09:18OK, I think I'm going to go for Spanish Armada,
0:09:18 > 0:09:20Great Fire of London, Gunpowder Plot.
0:09:20 > 0:09:22So the first thought is Spanish Armada,
0:09:22 > 0:09:25Great Fire of London, then the Gunpowder Plot?
0:09:26 > 0:09:28Yeah.
0:09:28 > 0:09:31Over to you, panel. Your debate starts now.
0:09:31 > 0:09:32Right, OK.
0:09:32 > 0:09:35I think we both know, Gethin and I,
0:09:35 > 0:09:38one date that we've remembered from school.
0:09:38 > 0:09:41And that's your one. All the sixes.
0:09:41 > 0:09:44All the sixes with the one in front. Yeah. 1666.
0:09:44 > 0:09:48I know that the Spanish Armada was 1500s because, of course,
0:09:48 > 0:09:50it was famously defeated by Sir Francis Drake
0:09:50 > 0:09:54who played bowls on Plymouth Hoe while he watched the fleet come up.
0:09:54 > 0:09:58And Plymouth is my birthplace, so there's this wonderful statue
0:09:58 > 0:10:00of him in Plymouth and in Tavistock,
0:10:00 > 0:10:02which is also somewhere that I've lived.
0:10:02 > 0:10:05So that's the oldest. That's 1500.
0:10:05 > 0:10:08Pass it over, then. All right. So we know... Then we've got Guy Fawkes.
0:10:08 > 0:10:11..that's the first one. Remember, remember. Gunpowder Plot.
0:10:11 > 0:10:15Let's go with the kings because I think this was James because
0:10:15 > 0:10:17Guy Fawkes was catholic and he was going to blow up the King
0:10:17 > 0:10:21because he had decided to forsake the Catholic religion.
0:10:21 > 0:10:24Overreaction, in my opinion. Yeah, well...
0:10:24 > 0:10:27Great Fire of London, we know was 1666.
0:10:27 > 0:10:31And I seem to remember that King Charles was quite involved in
0:10:31 > 0:10:34trying to rebuild London.
0:10:34 > 0:10:36So did King Charles come before James
0:10:36 > 0:10:38or did James come before Charles?
0:10:38 > 0:10:41He did, didn't he? Yes, I'm pretty sure. James came later.
0:10:41 > 0:10:45So our decision is, as a team, that
0:10:45 > 0:10:46Spanish Armada came first,
0:10:46 > 0:10:48followed by the Great Fire of London,
0:10:48 > 0:10:49followed by the Gunpowder Plot.
0:10:50 > 0:10:54They have confirmed your first thought.
0:10:54 > 0:10:56Anything in there to change your mind, or...?
0:10:56 > 0:10:59Do you think you want to go with them? I'm going to go with them,
0:10:59 > 0:11:00I trust you.
0:11:01 > 0:11:03OK, we're all agreed.
0:11:03 > 0:11:07We are going for the Spanish Armada was defeated first,
0:11:07 > 0:11:10then the Great Fire of London, then the Gunpowder Plot.
0:11:10 > 0:11:14If that's the correct order, ?300 in the prize pot.
0:11:14 > 0:11:15Let's see if you're right.
0:11:20 > 0:11:22It's the wrong order.
0:11:22 > 0:11:25It must be Gunpowder and London the other way round, then.
0:11:25 > 0:11:28Let's see what the actual order is.
0:11:28 > 0:11:31Yes. The Spanish Armada,
0:11:31 > 0:11:33the Gunpowder Plot, the Great Fire of London.
0:11:33 > 0:11:37You know nothing about kings. I know. Nothing.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40Spanish Armada was defeated in 1588.
0:11:40 > 0:11:45Gunpowder Plot was 1605 and the Great Fire of London,
0:11:45 > 0:11:49Gethin, you're right, all the sixes, 1666. Unfortunately,
0:11:49 > 0:11:52you did get that wrong but there's still 200 in the prize pot.
0:11:52 > 0:11:54Loads of chances to get that money up,
0:11:54 > 0:11:57so let's see if we can do any better with the second picture question.
0:11:57 > 0:11:58Here it comes.
0:12:14 > 0:12:18I think I'm going to go with vibraphone and then I'm going to say
0:12:18 > 0:12:22phonograph and then saxophone.
0:12:22 > 0:12:25OK, so we're thinking vibraphone then phonograph then saxophone.
0:12:25 > 0:12:27Yes.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29The debate starts now.
0:12:29 > 0:12:31Well, I was just going through the orchestral instruments, actually.
0:12:31 > 0:12:34I used to play in a few orchestras and the saxophone wasn't written
0:12:34 > 0:12:38into a lot of large music scores, so that must have come later on.
0:12:38 > 0:12:41Jazz feels contemporary, doesn't it? Yeah. It's jazz. It's the Jazz Age.
0:12:41 > 0:12:44So... That's the youngest. That's the youngest. There we go.
0:12:44 > 0:12:48OK, my gut is phonograph is the earliest.
0:12:48 > 0:12:51Vibraphone probably close to it.
0:12:52 > 0:12:56My instinct is that's even older. Yeah, mine too.
0:12:57 > 0:12:59Instinct here.
0:12:59 > 0:13:02Not based on any actual prior knowledge but my instinct
0:13:02 > 0:13:05would say that that looks...
0:13:05 > 0:13:06It does look old. Gethin?
0:13:06 > 0:13:09I'm nervous with that but I'm happy to go with it.
0:13:09 > 0:13:12We can't be sure but that is where I'm leaning.
0:13:13 > 0:13:15Me too. Right, we've debated it
0:13:15 > 0:13:17and we've decided that
0:13:17 > 0:13:20the saxophone is the most modern,
0:13:20 > 0:13:24the phonograph comes next and the oldest is the vibraphone.
0:13:26 > 0:13:28So that is the answer of the panel.
0:13:28 > 0:13:31They have gone against the only person on the panel
0:13:31 > 0:13:33that has played in an orchestra.
0:13:33 > 0:13:35Any use, any help?
0:13:35 > 0:13:39Wow, that was a very engaging debate and I've forgotten my own name,
0:13:39 > 0:13:41so...
0:13:42 > 0:13:44I'm going to go with the panel.
0:13:44 > 0:13:47You're agreeing with our panel. Let's lock it in.
0:13:49 > 0:13:52For ?300, is that the correct order they were invented,
0:13:52 > 0:13:54starting with the earliest?
0:14:00 > 0:14:01It's the wrong answer.
0:14:02 > 0:14:03Oh, Madeleine.
0:14:04 > 0:14:07Let's see what the correct answer was.
0:14:09 > 0:14:12The saxophone was first invented,
0:14:12 > 0:14:14then the phonograph,
0:14:14 > 0:14:15then the vibraphone.
0:14:15 > 0:14:17The saxophone in the 1840s,
0:14:17 > 0:14:20the phonograph in the 1870s
0:14:20 > 0:14:25and the vibraphone not until the 1920s.
0:14:25 > 0:14:28Really? Good musical knowledge, Gethin, well done(!)
0:14:30 > 0:14:32I'm afraid that means, Madeleine,
0:14:32 > 0:14:34that you didn't bank any cash in that round.
0:14:34 > 0:14:38So, at the end of round two, you're still on ?200.
0:14:43 > 0:14:47Don't worry, we still have ?1,000 up for grabs in our next round.
0:14:47 > 0:14:51Based on that slightly shabby performance by our panel,
0:14:51 > 0:14:52who is impressing you?
0:14:52 > 0:14:55Well, if I can confess this,
0:14:55 > 0:14:58Gethin is so handsome, I forget to listen when he speaks so...
0:15:00 > 0:15:01Probably good thing, right now.
0:15:03 > 0:15:05We still have the third round up for grabs.
0:15:05 > 0:15:07There's ?1,000 out there.
0:15:07 > 0:15:09So, let's play round three.
0:15:12 > 0:15:14OK, Madeleine, in our third round
0:15:14 > 0:15:17you will face questions that contain a statement
0:15:17 > 0:15:20about a place, a person or a thing.
0:15:20 > 0:15:24Only one of those statements is true and you must decide which one.
0:15:24 > 0:15:27Two questions in this round and, because it's our final round,
0:15:27 > 0:15:29there's ?500 for each correct answer
0:15:29 > 0:15:33so we can still get a really good total in the prize pot today.
0:15:33 > 0:15:35So best of luck. Here we go.
0:15:56 > 0:15:57OK.
0:15:59 > 0:16:01Do you know, I'm leaning to B.
0:16:01 > 0:16:04Let's see if our panel can help you with this one.
0:16:04 > 0:16:08Your debate starts now. Anybody do astronomy?
0:16:08 > 0:16:11No, but there was a nightclub in Cardiff called Zeus once
0:16:11 > 0:16:13that I used to go to but I don't remember Jupiter.
0:16:13 > 0:16:16Did you have them hanging from the ceiling?
0:16:16 > 0:16:19No. Well, I can't remember, if I'm really honest.
0:16:19 > 0:16:23Astrology, I can help you with. Astrology? Does that help any?
0:16:23 > 0:16:27"Saturn's moon is in Pluto's shadow and you're going to get
0:16:27 > 0:16:30"a windfall in July." That sort of thing.
0:16:30 > 0:16:32Right, I don't think that applies. I think the way you're playing,
0:16:32 > 0:16:34there's not going to be a windfall here for a very long time.
0:16:34 > 0:16:37It doesn't really apply. Jupiter's not what they call
0:16:37 > 0:16:39a terrestrial planet, is it?
0:16:39 > 0:16:42It's, like, full of gas and stuff and it is massive. Yeah.
0:16:42 > 0:16:45But is it massive enough to be the combined size?
0:16:45 > 0:16:49I think it's, like, double, but I think it has a moon.
0:16:49 > 0:16:50You think it's got a moon? Yeah.
0:16:50 > 0:16:52I'm sure it's got a moon.
0:16:52 > 0:16:55Named after a Greek God. Now, is Jupiter Greek or Roman?
0:16:55 > 0:16:56That's the thing.
0:16:56 > 0:16:59Maybe if we've all heard that it's really, really large,
0:16:59 > 0:17:00maybe that isn't so out there.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04If that's something we know as a fact.
0:17:04 > 0:17:07Oh, my goodness, but I was wrong about the saxophone.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09I can't take the pressure any more.
0:17:09 > 0:17:12I'm going to have to take you to Vegas myself.
0:17:12 > 0:17:15Named after a Greek God. But Madeleine wants that.
0:17:15 > 0:17:17She does. Come on, come on. So...
0:17:17 > 0:17:19Thank you, goodnight, we're off.
0:17:19 > 0:17:21What are we going to go with, then?
0:17:21 > 0:17:24My gut feeling is that it is bigger. It's bigger.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29Gut feeling? Larger than all other planets.
0:17:29 > 0:17:33OK, we are going with, it's bigger than all the others put together.
0:17:36 > 0:17:39Madeleine, we have stuck a pin in the solar system.
0:17:40 > 0:17:43And our panel says that it is larger
0:17:43 > 0:17:47than all the other planets in the solar system combined.
0:17:47 > 0:17:48What are you thinking now?
0:17:48 > 0:17:51I do remember that someone once told me that
0:17:51 > 0:17:55not with all of Jupiter's moons, can you have that thing.
0:17:55 > 0:17:58So I think that was his way of saying no.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01What was that thing? It was an enormous cat.
0:18:01 > 0:18:04An enormous cat told you that Jupiter had no moons?
0:18:04 > 0:18:08No, I was once told that I wasn't allowed to adopt this enormous cat.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10Ah!
0:18:10 > 0:18:12Three brains against one brain.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16It is three brains against one brain, Madeleine, but...
0:18:19 > 0:18:22OK, I'm going to go with the panel and go A.
0:18:23 > 0:18:25So, you want to go with A?
0:18:29 > 0:18:30Is Jupiter larger than
0:18:30 > 0:18:33all the other planets in our solar system combined?
0:18:33 > 0:18:34For ?500.
0:18:39 > 0:18:41A is the correct answer.
0:18:43 > 0:18:44Well done.
0:18:46 > 0:18:51Jupiter is two-and-a-half times bigger than all of the other planets
0:18:51 > 0:18:54in the solar system combined and, just to prove that,
0:18:54 > 0:18:56there is a picture of Jupiter
0:18:56 > 0:18:59with none of the other planets in context.
0:19:01 > 0:19:06Jupiter is encircled by roughly 62 moons.
0:19:06 > 0:19:0762 moons!
0:19:07 > 0:19:11Not with all of the 62 moons of Jupiter, you shall not have this cat!
0:19:12 > 0:19:13But you will if you win the money.
0:19:13 > 0:19:16It is named after a Roman god.
0:19:16 > 0:19:20The great red spot is actually a huge storm
0:19:20 > 0:19:23that has lasted over 350 years.
0:19:23 > 0:19:26The spot could fit three Earths inside it.
0:19:26 > 0:19:29The good news is you've added ?500 to the prize pot
0:19:29 > 0:19:32and, Madeleine, you're up to ?700. Well done.
0:19:36 > 0:19:41One last chance to add another 500 and get it up to 1,200. Here we go.
0:20:06 > 0:20:09Now, it's funny that question should come up
0:20:09 > 0:20:11because when my son was small,
0:20:11 > 0:20:15he just lived and breathed sharks, just loved them.
0:20:15 > 0:20:20So I know that not all sharks must swim constantly to survive.
0:20:20 > 0:20:24I believe the nurse shark doesn't have to.
0:20:24 > 0:20:26I know that they're old creatures.
0:20:28 > 0:20:32So, I'm kind of torn between the predating dinosaurs
0:20:32 > 0:20:35and having 200 bones or more in their bodies.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38I'm going to go for
0:20:38 > 0:20:41over 200 bones and I think we might count teeth.
0:20:42 > 0:20:45OK, so that's what you're thinking. We don't need an answer yet.
0:20:45 > 0:20:48Madeleine has a shark expert in the family.
0:20:48 > 0:20:52Let's see if our debaters can bring anything to this.
0:20:52 > 0:20:56Your debate starts now. I feel like the dinosaur fact...
0:20:56 > 0:20:58I feel like there's some truth in that.
0:20:58 > 0:21:00I feel like potentially they are prehistoric creatures.
0:21:00 > 0:21:04But 200 million years. That seems too long. It's a long, long time.
0:21:04 > 0:21:08Is it a myth that if you pull a shark backwards through the water,
0:21:08 > 0:21:10they immediately drown?
0:21:10 > 0:21:13It's something to do with the way their scales are on the body. Yeah,
0:21:13 > 0:21:14and the way they take water in.
0:21:14 > 0:21:16Isn't that something that someone says to you,
0:21:16 > 0:21:19like, "Go on, pull that shark backwards, they die immediately,"
0:21:19 > 0:21:21and then it just turns around and eats you whole?
0:21:21 > 0:21:23Do you know where I think I got that from? Jaws.
0:21:23 > 0:21:27I would definitely side with Madeleine, especially as she comes
0:21:27 > 0:21:30from a household of shark experts.
0:21:30 > 0:21:33So I think we should discount the constantly swim one.
0:21:33 > 0:21:36I've swum with great whites in South Africa.
0:21:36 > 0:21:38No, you have not! Yes, I did!
0:21:38 > 0:21:41In a cage, admittedly. I was in a cage. You were in a cage? In a cage.
0:21:41 > 0:21:43The shark was in a cage and Angela was just nipping at...
0:21:43 > 0:21:46The sharks were outside, thank God. They are huge.
0:21:46 > 0:21:49I mean, they are bigger than this desk. They are massive.
0:21:49 > 0:21:52And when you think about how flexible those bodies are,
0:21:52 > 0:21:55their spines must have a lot of bones in them.
0:21:55 > 0:21:59Yeah, the vertebrae. The vertebrae must be amazing.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02Must be. I would vote 200 bones, I think. I'm going bones. Bones?
0:22:02 > 0:22:05Yes. We're going with bones.
0:22:05 > 0:22:08The shark has over 200 bones in its body.
0:22:09 > 0:22:13OK, our panel have gone with bones. I'm going to go with them.
0:22:13 > 0:22:16You're going to go with the panel? Yeah, definitely. OK.
0:22:16 > 0:22:19So, we handed it over to the panel.
0:22:19 > 0:22:23They have gone for sharks having over 200 bones in their bodies.
0:22:23 > 0:22:25Is it the correct answer?
0:22:32 > 0:22:37It's the wrong answer! I'm so sorry, Madeleine.
0:22:37 > 0:22:40The correct answer is that they predate dinosaurs
0:22:40 > 0:22:41by 200 million years.
0:22:41 > 0:22:44Alice, you were along the right lines there.
0:22:44 > 0:22:47Sharks have cartilage instead of bones.
0:22:47 > 0:22:50They predate dinosaurs by 200 million years.
0:22:50 > 0:22:52Time flies, doesn't it? It didn't feel like 200 million years.
0:22:52 > 0:22:54There's one we're debating!
0:22:56 > 0:23:00I'm afraid you didn't get that right, but we still have
0:23:00 > 0:23:03?700 to play for and we really want you to take that home.
0:23:03 > 0:23:07There's only one question that stands between you and that ?700
0:23:07 > 0:23:09and that is our final debate.
0:23:09 > 0:23:11Madeleine, you're going to face one more question.
0:23:11 > 0:23:14The question has six possible answers,
0:23:14 > 0:23:16but only three of those are correct.
0:23:16 > 0:23:20In order to win the money, we need you to get all three.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22Now, as before, you're not going to play alone, so don't worry.
0:23:22 > 0:23:25This is the final debate, though,
0:23:25 > 0:23:28so you can only choose one of our celebrity panel to help you.
0:23:28 > 0:23:32So, who would you like, Madeleine, to join you for our final debate?
0:23:32 > 0:23:35It's such a hard choice. They've all been magnificent.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45Gethin, it's got to be you.
0:23:45 > 0:23:48Ah! OK, Gethin, would you please join us
0:23:48 > 0:23:49to play the final debate.
0:23:56 > 0:23:59So, Gethin, Madeleine has chosen you for the final debate.
0:23:59 > 0:24:02I am assuming you are honoured and ready to go.
0:24:02 > 0:24:04Absolutely honoured but I'm terrified as well.
0:24:04 > 0:24:06It's all right if you're playing for yourself,
0:24:06 > 0:24:09but it's someone else's money so I'm nervous for us both.
0:24:09 > 0:24:12And because we are nice here at Debatable,
0:24:12 > 0:24:15we're going to give you a choice for your final debate
0:24:15 > 0:24:16from these two topics.
0:24:22 > 0:24:25Well, seeing as my last film that I enjoyed was
0:24:25 > 0:24:28Tinker Bell And The NeverBeast, I'm going to go for religion, I think.
0:24:31 > 0:24:34Great! And I can see Gethin is delighted to help you on religion.
0:24:34 > 0:24:36Fantastic, let's do that.
0:24:38 > 0:24:40Let's lock it in. It's religion.
0:24:41 > 0:24:45So, for ?700, with 45 seconds on the clock,
0:24:45 > 0:24:48here comes today's final debate question.
0:25:08 > 0:25:13Madeleine and Gethin, for the final time today, your debate starts now.
0:25:15 > 0:25:17OK, identify the names that have
0:25:17 > 0:25:19been used by at least one Pope. OK.
0:25:19 > 0:25:21How many are you looking for, Pat?
0:25:21 > 0:25:22We need three. OK.
0:25:22 > 0:25:25I think it's usually the more - this is on gut -
0:25:25 > 0:25:29plainer names like Stephen, Luke.
0:25:29 > 0:25:30Maybe Alexander,
0:25:30 > 0:25:32but I don't think it's Augustus.
0:25:32 > 0:25:33Innocent has thrown me.
0:25:33 > 0:25:36I think we have had a Pope Innocent, though. OK.
0:25:37 > 0:25:39Now, Ethelred...
0:25:41 > 0:25:42..was an ancient fellow.
0:25:42 > 0:25:4415 seconds, guys, we need you to be quick.
0:25:45 > 0:25:48OK, let's go Innocent, that's your gut? Yeah.
0:25:48 > 0:25:51I'm veering toward Stephen, if that's helpful.
0:25:51 > 0:25:53Alexander, maybe. Between Luke and Alexander.
0:25:53 > 0:25:56So Innocent, Stephen, between Luke and Alexander.
0:25:58 > 0:25:59So you're going for...
0:25:59 > 0:26:01Time up, Madeleine.
0:26:01 > 0:26:03I need three answers, please.
0:26:03 > 0:26:06Sorry, I couldn't help any more, there.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08OK.
0:26:08 > 0:26:09I'm going to go for Innocent...
0:26:12 > 0:26:13..Alexander...
0:26:20 > 0:26:21..and Stephen.
0:26:23 > 0:26:28Innocent, Alexander and Stephen.
0:26:28 > 0:26:31If those are the three names that have been used by at least one Pope,
0:26:31 > 0:26:33you will leave today with ?700.
0:26:33 > 0:26:37If one of them is wrong, I'm afraid you will leave with nothing.
0:26:37 > 0:26:40OK, Madeleine, here we go for ?700.
0:26:41 > 0:26:47First up, you said, that Innocent has been used by at least one Pope.
0:26:47 > 0:26:48Is that a correct answer?
0:26:54 > 0:26:58It's good. It's the correct answer. Good stuff.
0:26:58 > 0:27:02Over the years, there have been 13 Pope Innocents. Oh, wow.
0:27:04 > 0:27:07You next went for Alexander.
0:27:07 > 0:27:10To keep us on track for that 700,
0:27:10 > 0:27:14is Alexander a name used by at least one Pope?
0:27:20 > 0:27:21Yes. It's correct. Well done.
0:27:23 > 0:27:27There have been eight Pope Alexanders.
0:27:29 > 0:27:32You then weren't sure. Gethin did suggest Stephen.
0:27:32 > 0:27:35I'm not sure. You went for Stephen.
0:27:37 > 0:27:41If Stephen is a correct answer, you've won ?700.
0:27:41 > 0:27:42If not, you leave with nothing, Madeleine.
0:27:44 > 0:27:48Is Stephen the name used by at least one Pope?
0:27:58 > 0:28:00Yes! It's the correct answer.
0:28:02 > 0:28:05Congratulations, Madeleine. You've won ?700.
0:28:09 > 0:28:13Well played. You've been a great player. That's it from Debatable.
0:28:13 > 0:28:16There's just enough time for me to thank our fantastic panel today.
0:28:16 > 0:28:21To Gethin Jones, well played, fella. To Angela Rippon and Alice Levine.
0:28:21 > 0:28:23APPLAUSE
0:28:25 > 0:28:28You got there in the end. Yay! I do hope you've enjoyed watching.
0:28:28 > 0:28:30We will see you next time for more heated debate.
0:28:30 > 0:28:32For now, it's goodbye from me.