0:00:08 > 0:00:11APPLAUSE
0:00:11 > 0:00:16Hello, and welcome to Debatable, the quiz show where talk is cheap
0:00:16 > 0:00:19but celebrity chat can win a contestant money.
0:00:19 > 0:00:23Today, one player must answer a series of tricky questions
0:00:23 > 0:00:26to try to bag our jackpot of £2,000.
0:00:26 > 0:00:30But they're not on their own as they will also have a panel
0:00:30 > 0:00:34of celebrity brainboxes debating their way to the answer.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36Will they help or will they hinder?
0:00:36 > 0:00:39Well, that's debatable, so let's meet them.
0:00:40 > 0:00:41On today's show,
0:00:41 > 0:00:44we have actress Sunetra Sarker,
0:00:44 > 0:00:46we have weather presenter Carol Kirkwood,
0:00:46 > 0:00:48and writer and broadcaster
0:00:48 > 0:00:49Rick Edwards.
0:00:52 > 0:00:57Let's meet today's contestant. It is Sara Pilkington from Wales.
0:01:00 > 0:01:03- How are you doing?- Hi, Paddy. - Tell us a little bit about yourself.
0:01:03 > 0:01:06Well, my name's Sara Pilkington, I'm 57
0:01:06 > 0:01:08and I'm from Carmarthen in South West Wales.
0:01:08 > 0:01:10I'm the mother of two teenage sons.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13I'm now working as a sales negotiator
0:01:13 > 0:01:15for a local estate agent in Carmarthen.
0:01:15 > 0:01:18So you're used to negotiating, you're used to getting your own way.
0:01:18 > 0:01:20To a degree.
0:01:20 > 0:01:22When you look at our clients here,
0:01:22 > 0:01:25which one is going to go for above the asking price
0:01:25 > 0:01:29and which one is the doer-upper? LAUGHTER
0:01:29 > 0:01:30Do I have to really say that?
0:01:30 > 0:01:32- LAUGHTER - Yes.
0:01:32 > 0:01:35OK, Sara, let's get this debatable show on the road
0:01:35 > 0:01:37as we play Round 1.
0:01:40 > 0:01:42This round is multiple choice.
0:01:42 > 0:01:45Each question has four possible answers.
0:01:45 > 0:01:47We just need the one correct answer.
0:01:47 > 0:01:52It's going to be very easy because we have our panel here to help you.
0:01:52 > 0:01:54Will you go with them or will you go your own way?
0:01:54 > 0:01:57- It's entirely up to you.- OK. - Two questions in this round.
0:01:57 > 0:02:00- Each correct answer is worth £200.- OK.
0:02:00 > 0:02:02- Ready to play?- Love to, thank you.
0:02:02 > 0:02:04- OK, here we go. Best of luck.- Thank you.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24I think, if I was going to pick one of those,
0:02:24 > 0:02:27I'd possibly go for mouth.
0:02:27 > 0:02:29- Hold that thought...- OK.
0:02:29 > 0:02:31..as we go over to our learned colleagues.
0:02:31 > 0:02:34- Your debate starts now.- I...
0:02:34 > 0:02:38I immediately think it's missing a T off the front.
0:02:38 > 0:02:41- People who are scared of tomatoes. - LAUGHTER
0:02:41 > 0:02:43Have you made a mistake, do you think?
0:02:43 > 0:02:45- Is that possible? - LAUGHTER
0:02:45 > 0:02:47Well, let's think about what we know is a common thing
0:02:47 > 0:02:49for people to be scared of.
0:02:49 > 0:02:52I think there's something called halophobia which is about breath.
0:02:52 > 0:02:54- Like halitosis?- Halitosis, yeah. - Yeah, yeah.
0:02:54 > 0:02:56So, I'm not thinking mouth so much.
0:02:56 > 0:02:58Do you think anyone is scared of ears?
0:02:58 > 0:03:00Do you think there is such a thing as being scared of ears?
0:03:00 > 0:03:04- Well, I've got very small ears and no-one's ever found...- Them scary?
0:03:04 > 0:03:06- Yeah.- I've never noticed your ears before, Rick.
0:03:06 > 0:03:08That's the point. They're so small, you wouldn't.
0:03:08 > 0:03:10- LAUGHTER - Oh, that's not true. Not true.
0:03:10 > 0:03:13- You've got perfect ears. - Aw, thank you, Carol.- So, eyes...
0:03:13 > 0:03:16I don't think you'd be frightened of eyes, would you?
0:03:16 > 0:03:19- Hang on a minute. You could be scared of eyes.- Could you?
0:03:19 > 0:03:21The aftereffect is that you find eyes quite...
0:03:21 > 0:03:23I'm a bit, like, icky about eyes.
0:03:23 > 0:03:26- I don't like people touching my eyes.- Oh, really?- Yeah.
0:03:26 > 0:03:28Has anyone ever accused you of having ommatophobia?
0:03:28 > 0:03:31- SHE LAUGHS - No, but maybe they should've done.
0:03:31 > 0:03:32What's the word for...?
0:03:32 > 0:03:35- It's rhinoplasty, isn't it, when you have a nose job?- Yes.- Yeah.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38So, we think "rhino" could be nose.
0:03:38 > 0:03:41Things that I can imagine people having a phobia of
0:03:41 > 0:03:43- are the mouth...- Mm.
0:03:43 > 0:03:45..and eyes.
0:03:45 > 0:03:48I can't really imagine people having a phobia of ears or noses.
0:03:48 > 0:03:50OK, right, we need to make a decision.
0:03:50 > 0:03:54So, I would think mouth.
0:03:54 > 0:03:57- Sunetra?- I think I'm going to go with mouth, as well.
0:03:57 > 0:04:00- Rick?- I mean, why not? - LAUGHTER
0:04:00 > 0:04:03- OK. It's as good as any of the others, isn't it?- Yeah.
0:04:03 > 0:04:05- To be honest? - At least it's got an M in it.- Yeah.
0:04:05 > 0:04:09OK, we think that particular phobia is mouth.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14- That was your first thought, as well, Sara.- Yes, it was.
0:04:14 > 0:04:16Anything in there, though, to make you change your mind?
0:04:16 > 0:04:18No, I don't think so, actually.
0:04:18 > 0:04:20For some reason, it's just at the back of my mind
0:04:20 > 0:04:22that it's something to do with mouth.
0:04:22 > 0:04:24- OK.- I'm going to stick with mouth.
0:04:24 > 0:04:26All right, we are all agreed.
0:04:26 > 0:04:30Let's hope it is mouth to get us up and running for £200.
0:04:30 > 0:04:34Is ommatophobia the fear of the mouth?
0:04:40 > 0:04:42- Aw!- It's the eyes.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45The correct answer was eyes.
0:04:45 > 0:04:48- Almost got there, Rick.- Not really.
0:04:48 > 0:04:54- It's derived from the Greek word omma, which means eye.- Eye.
0:04:54 > 0:04:55- There we are.- Don't worry, though.
0:04:55 > 0:04:57Lots of cash still up for grabs.
0:04:57 > 0:05:00We're going to try to get it up with our next question. Here we go.
0:05:21 > 0:05:27I'm inclined to think beards out of those. I don't know why.
0:05:27 > 0:05:31If only we had someone on the panel with a magnificent beard.
0:05:31 > 0:05:34- LAUGHTER - Don't look at me when you say that!
0:05:34 > 0:05:37- I shaved it this morning! - LAUGHTER
0:05:37 > 0:05:40What can we bring to this, panel? Your debate starts now.
0:05:40 > 0:05:42You would want to tax something
0:05:42 > 0:05:45- where you would get a lot of revenue in, wouldn't you?- That's the thing.
0:05:45 > 0:05:49- It's a money-raising exercise. - And if you think, Russia - cold.
0:05:49 > 0:05:52- You go out, you put your hat on, as well...- Yeah.
0:05:52 > 0:05:54- ..so it keeps you warm.- Yeah.
0:05:54 > 0:05:55So, who's going to come round to check
0:05:55 > 0:05:57if you're using your fireplace or not?
0:05:57 > 0:05:59Who's coming round to check your beard?
0:05:59 > 0:06:00Well, this is the thing.
0:06:00 > 0:06:02Maybe that was a sign of if you were rich or poor.
0:06:02 > 0:06:04Maybe, if you had a beard, it was saying,
0:06:04 > 0:06:06"I'm rich enough to pay the tax."
0:06:06 > 0:06:09And, like, there's something about a beard tax that,
0:06:09 > 0:06:14well, A, I like, and B, sounds vaguely familiar.
0:06:14 > 0:06:17I think windows is something that we did.
0:06:17 > 0:06:20I'm not exactly sure when. Fireplaces?
0:06:20 > 0:06:22I don't think you'd get much money out of it.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24And you can't really say to someone,
0:06:24 > 0:06:27"If you can't afford to pay tax, you can't heat your house."
0:06:27 > 0:06:30Hats?
0:06:30 > 0:06:32- I...- Maybe everybody had hats. - It could be. Yeah.
0:06:32 > 0:06:35Beards just feels nice because of that delineation
0:06:35 > 0:06:37- between rich and poor. - OK.- OK, right.
0:06:37 > 0:06:40- So, unanimous decision - beards? - Yeah.- Yeah?- Yeah.- OK.
0:06:40 > 0:06:42It's the sort of answer that could make us look really dumb.
0:06:42 > 0:06:44"A beard tax? Are you mad?"
0:06:44 > 0:06:46OK, Sara, for you,
0:06:46 > 0:06:49the panel have decided that, in 1705,
0:06:49 > 0:06:53Russian Tsar Peter the Great imposed a tax on beards.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57So, a tax on beards. That was your first thought.
0:06:57 > 0:06:59What do you think?
0:06:59 > 0:07:03I just have a really funny feeling it's beards.
0:07:03 > 0:07:07- So, Sara, you're going for...? - Beards.- Going for beards.
0:07:07 > 0:07:09There it is. Lock it in.
0:07:09 > 0:07:14Did Peter the Great, for £200, impose a tax on beards?
0:07:21 > 0:07:23- He did.- Yes!- Well done. APPLAUSE
0:07:23 > 0:07:26- Thank you.- Well played.- Thank you.
0:07:26 > 0:07:29It was a crazy idea that just worked.
0:07:29 > 0:07:32The tax was actually Peter's attempt
0:07:32 > 0:07:35to Westernize the nobility in Russia.
0:07:35 > 0:07:37He'd visited Western Europe, where most men were clean-shaven,
0:07:37 > 0:07:40and all the men, except peasant and clergymen,
0:07:40 > 0:07:46had to pay 100 roubles for a copper or silver beard token,
0:07:46 > 0:07:48which had a moustache and a beard engraved on it.
0:07:48 > 0:07:53The token also bore the message, "The beard is a useless burden."
0:07:53 > 0:07:55- LAUGHTER - I find that.
0:07:55 > 0:07:58- Well played, Sara.- Thank you. - Well worked out.- Thank you.
0:07:58 > 0:08:01We're up, at the end of that round, to £200.
0:08:01 > 0:08:03- Thank you. Thank you. - APPLAUSE
0:08:05 > 0:08:07OK, this is the point where we look at our panel
0:08:07 > 0:08:10based on our first couple of questions. How are they doing?
0:08:10 > 0:08:13I think they're all doing pretty well.
0:08:13 > 0:08:15Very diplomatic, and that's exactly what you have to do
0:08:15 > 0:08:17because you'll have to choose one of them,
0:08:17 > 0:08:20and only one of them, to play today's final debate.
0:08:20 > 0:08:22So, let's see how they get on with pictures.
0:08:22 > 0:08:24It is time for Round 2.
0:08:28 > 0:08:29Sara, Round 2 is our picture round.
0:08:29 > 0:08:33All you have to do is to put three pictures in the correct order.
0:08:33 > 0:08:35Two questions in this round.
0:08:35 > 0:08:38Each correct answer is worth £300,
0:08:38 > 0:08:40- so let's see if we can get that cash up. Here we go.- OK.
0:08:59 > 0:09:02If you were going to have a stab in the dark, where would we go?
0:09:02 > 0:09:05I'd have gone for Jack Nicholson as the eldest.
0:09:06 > 0:09:09And then between Al Pacino and Robert De Niro,
0:09:09 > 0:09:12I think I'd put Robert De Niro as the youngest
0:09:12 > 0:09:13and Al Pacino...
0:09:15 > 0:09:17..in the middle at the moment.
0:09:17 > 0:09:19OK, panel, let's see if you can help.
0:09:19 > 0:09:21Your debate starts now.
0:09:21 > 0:09:23Right. Do you remember the film Fear
0:09:23 > 0:09:25where they were both in it at the same time?
0:09:25 > 0:09:28- So, there was a film called Fear with De Niro and Al Pacino.- Heat?
0:09:28 > 0:09:30Heat, sorry. Dammit! Yeah, that's it.
0:09:30 > 0:09:32You got the middle two letters right, so...
0:09:32 > 0:09:35- Why was I thinking it was Fear? Sorry.- Yeah.- Heat.
0:09:35 > 0:09:37So, let's think about that one cos that'll help clarify
0:09:37 > 0:09:39who we thought looked older in there.
0:09:39 > 0:09:42- I think they look... - I think De Niro looked older.- Mm.
0:09:42 > 0:09:45See, I'm saying I think Pacino is probably slightly older.
0:09:45 > 0:09:47I would say Pacino is slightly older.
0:09:47 > 0:09:49I think Pacino looks a bit older in Heat, as well.
0:09:49 > 0:09:52- I think he looks older generally. - Cos he is, maybe.- Yeah.
0:09:52 > 0:09:55I seem to think Al Pacino's the baby of the group.
0:09:55 > 0:09:58I feel like I've heard of him...
0:09:58 > 0:10:00The thing is, though,
0:10:00 > 0:10:02- Pacino was in the first Godfather. - And De Niro
0:10:02 > 0:10:04- was in the second. - De Niro in the second.
0:10:04 > 0:10:07I think Pacino's older.
0:10:07 > 0:10:10Nicholson in Batman...
0:10:10 > 0:10:11- Yeah.- ..is sort of middle-aged then.
0:10:11 > 0:10:13- I think Nicholson's... - Nicholson now...
0:10:13 > 0:10:16- If you think about them now, I suppose...- Is extremely old.
0:10:16 > 0:10:18He does look quite old, but so does Pacino.
0:10:18 > 0:10:22So, do we think Pacino is older or younger than Nicholson?
0:10:22 > 0:10:24Younger than Nicholson. I think Nicholson's the oldest.
0:10:24 > 0:10:26I think Nicholson's the oldest.
0:10:26 > 0:10:29OK, so, you have that one, then, and...
0:10:29 > 0:10:31- Er... Oh, hang on.- Who's this?
0:10:31 > 0:10:33- No, no, that's what I think. - Give me Nicholson.
0:10:33 > 0:10:36Right, OK, the youngest, we think, is Robert De Niro.
0:10:36 > 0:10:38Then, we think Al Pacino.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41And we think the oldest is Jack Nicholson.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46So, panel, of course, bringing the logic to this.
0:10:46 > 0:10:49Who looks oldest in Hollywood?
0:10:49 > 0:10:51Because nobody's ever had any work done in Hollywood, Sara.
0:10:51 > 0:10:54- LAUGHTER - Never, ever, ever.- It's true.- No.
0:10:54 > 0:10:56- It's true.- No.
0:10:56 > 0:10:59My gut instinct is that that's the right order,
0:10:59 > 0:11:01and the fact that the panel thinks so, as well...
0:11:01 > 0:11:03I've been listening to everything they've said.
0:11:03 > 0:11:06- I'm going to go with the panel.- OK, you're going with the panel.- Yeah.
0:11:06 > 0:11:09Sticking with your original order.
0:11:09 > 0:11:12For £300, is Robert De Niro the youngest,
0:11:12 > 0:11:15then Al Pacino, with the oldest Jack Nicholson?
0:11:21 > 0:11:23It's the correct answer. APPLAUSE
0:11:23 > 0:11:26Well done, well done, well done.
0:11:26 > 0:11:28- Thank you very much. - Well done.- Thank you.
0:11:28 > 0:11:31- Well played. Good work, panel.- Thank you.
0:11:31 > 0:11:34Robert De Niro - born in 1943.
0:11:34 > 0:11:37Al Pacino - born in 1940.
0:11:37 > 0:11:40Jack Nicholson - born in 1937.
0:11:40 > 0:11:42Robert De Niro was the first actor
0:11:42 > 0:11:45to win an Oscar for a role in a sequel.
0:11:45 > 0:11:49There he is. The Godfather Part II.
0:11:49 > 0:11:52- Well played, Sara.- Thank you. - 300 quid into the prize pot.
0:11:52 > 0:11:55- You're now up to £500. Well done. - Thank you very much.
0:11:57 > 0:11:58Thank you.
0:11:58 > 0:12:02- OK, Sara, here we go. Let's have a look at your second question.- OK.
0:12:24 > 0:12:27- Gosh.- Do you need the panel's help on this?
0:12:27 > 0:12:31I would go for traffic lights first, but I don't know why.
0:12:31 > 0:12:33OK, so, you think that's first.
0:12:33 > 0:12:36- Let's see if our panel can sort the other two out for you.- OK.
0:12:36 > 0:12:39Panel, it is over to you. Your debate starts now.
0:12:39 > 0:12:41Don't take this the wrong way, Carol.
0:12:41 > 0:12:42Do you remember any of these things
0:12:42 > 0:12:44- being introduced? - LAUGHTER
0:12:44 > 0:12:47- Pick a window, Rick. You're leaving.- Be honest.
0:12:47 > 0:12:49- Of course not. How very dare you? - I'm just checking.
0:12:49 > 0:12:52Cos if you did, it would be a good time to say.
0:12:52 > 0:12:55I was thinking driving licence was first, and I also think...
0:12:55 > 0:12:58Maybe traffic lights came from over in the States first.
0:12:58 > 0:13:02I, for some reason, feel like the traffic-light system
0:13:02 > 0:13:05was all hand-held over here for many years. You know in the
0:13:05 > 0:13:06black and white films,
0:13:06 > 0:13:08- and you see the guy signalling to stop and start?- Yeah.
0:13:08 > 0:13:11And also the fact that they're automated
0:13:11 > 0:13:14- makes me think they're a bit later...- Yeah.- ..rather than...
0:13:14 > 0:13:18Driving licences, I reckon you would probably need quite early on.
0:13:18 > 0:13:20Driving licences feels like something
0:13:20 > 0:13:22you'd want to introduce quite early.
0:13:22 > 0:13:26- Yes. I would put driving licence, MOT and then traffic lights.- Yeah.
0:13:26 > 0:13:29- Oh, you'd say MOT before traffic lights, yeah?- Yes.
0:13:29 > 0:13:31- I think so.- Fair play. - Because traffic lights
0:13:31 > 0:13:34are essentially going to be brought in
0:13:34 > 0:13:36once you've got the technology to do it
0:13:36 > 0:13:39- and once the roads are busy enough to warrant it, aren't they?- Yeah.
0:13:39 > 0:13:43- So, driving licence first, MOT, then traffic lights?- Yes.
0:13:43 > 0:13:45- Yes, I would say that's... - I think so.- OK, so...
0:13:45 > 0:13:48- You want to get people who know how to use a car.- Yeah.
0:13:48 > 0:13:50- That's your priority. - And are safe on the roads.
0:13:50 > 0:13:52- Then, you get roadworthy cars, ideally.- Yeah.
0:13:52 > 0:13:54Then we've got the traffic lights because
0:13:54 > 0:13:57- so many of us have got licences and roadworthy cars.- Yeah, MOTs.- Yeah.
0:13:57 > 0:13:59- Let's go for that. - Let's swap them over, then.- OK.
0:13:59 > 0:14:01Erm...
0:14:01 > 0:14:02MOT.
0:14:02 > 0:14:06- I suspect Sara's not going to agree with this.- I know.
0:14:06 > 0:14:10So, driving licences, MOT tests
0:14:10 > 0:14:13and then, lastly, automatic traffic lights.
0:14:15 > 0:14:18Anything in there to help you work it out?
0:14:18 > 0:14:20In my head, I was trying to think...
0:14:20 > 0:14:24I've got a funny feeling that the traffic lights came before the MOT.
0:14:25 > 0:14:27I think, what I'm going to do,
0:14:27 > 0:14:29I'm going to put the traffic lights in the middle.
0:14:29 > 0:14:33I'll have the licence first, traffic lights and then MOT.
0:14:33 > 0:14:36OK, you're going against the panel.
0:14:36 > 0:14:38Best of luck. Here we go. The correct order is...
0:14:44 > 0:14:46It's the correct order! APPLAUSE
0:14:46 > 0:14:49Wow, well done. Really well played.
0:14:50 > 0:14:53Let's see when they were introduced.
0:14:53 > 0:14:55The driving licence in 1903,
0:14:55 > 0:14:58the traffic light in 1927,
0:14:58 > 0:15:01and the MOT in 1960.
0:15:01 > 0:15:03The only person in Britain who doesn't need
0:15:03 > 0:15:06a driving licence in order to drive is...?
0:15:06 > 0:15:08- The Queen?- The Queen.- The Queen.
0:15:08 > 0:15:10- SARA:- Bless her.- There she is.
0:15:10 > 0:15:13- Well done.- Thank you. - £300 into the pot.
0:15:13 > 0:15:15At the end of that, we're up to £800.
0:15:15 > 0:15:19- Well done. Well played. - Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
0:15:20 > 0:15:22- You're doing really well. £800.- Thank you.
0:15:22 > 0:15:26There's still another £1,000 up for grabs as we play Round 3.
0:15:29 > 0:15:30OK, Sara, in this round,
0:15:30 > 0:15:34you will face questions that contain three statements
0:15:34 > 0:15:36which relate to a person, a place or a thing.
0:15:36 > 0:15:40Now, only one of those is true and you need to decide which one.
0:15:40 > 0:15:43Two questions in this round. Because it's our final round,
0:15:43 > 0:15:47- we're going to up the cash to £500 for every correct answer.- OK.
0:15:47 > 0:15:51- So, still loads to play for.- OK. - Best of luck. Here we go.- Thank you.
0:16:12 > 0:16:15- Well, I love giraffes.- You do?- I do.
0:16:15 > 0:16:18Went to Kenya a few years ago and saw them out there.
0:16:18 > 0:16:20Absolutely wonderful.
0:16:20 > 0:16:22And were the females taller than the males?
0:16:22 > 0:16:26That's what I was just trying to remember, as it happens,
0:16:26 > 0:16:29because strangely enough, that's the one that I've looked at
0:16:29 > 0:16:34and thought immediately was possibly the true answer out of those three.
0:16:36 > 0:16:38Carol's smiling. Hopefully, this is good news.
0:16:38 > 0:16:41SHE LAUGHS Panel, your debate starts now.
0:16:42 > 0:16:46Gestation period. Elephants do have a long pregnancy, don't they?
0:16:46 > 0:16:48- I know giraffes... - They famously have
0:16:48 > 0:16:51- an extremely long gestation period, elephants, don't they?- Yeah, yeah.
0:16:51 > 0:16:52So do giraffes.
0:16:52 > 0:16:56And I feel like I've heard somewhere that a giraffe pregnancy
0:16:56 > 0:17:00is extreme... Possibly even the longest of all animals.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02Oh, so, you think it could be...?
0:17:02 > 0:17:04I'm erring more towards that.
0:17:04 > 0:17:08Like Sara, I've also seen giraffes in Kenya.
0:17:08 > 0:17:10- Don't like to brag. - THEY LAUGH
0:17:10 > 0:17:14And I think that the males are taller.
0:17:14 > 0:17:19I can't see the camelopard being something that I've heard of ever.
0:17:19 > 0:17:23- For me, it could be any of them, actually.- Oh, that's helpful.
0:17:23 > 0:17:25LAUGHTER
0:17:25 > 0:17:27I'm going to stick my neck out here...
0:17:27 > 0:17:29- THEY GROAN - Ah, yes.
0:17:29 > 0:17:32I'm going to stick my neck out and say gestation period.
0:17:32 > 0:17:34- Stick your neck out. - Rick, what are you going for?
0:17:34 > 0:17:39I'm going to go camelopard because I think there are examples
0:17:39 > 0:17:44of people first discovering animals, giving them quite a rubbish name
0:17:44 > 0:17:46and then someone else later coming in and going,
0:17:46 > 0:17:48"No, it's a giraffe."
0:17:48 > 0:17:51OK, well, I'm going to go for females are, on average,
0:17:51 > 0:17:54- taller than males. - Oh, great stuff.- Ah, look at that.
0:17:54 > 0:17:56So, one of us is going to be right, Sara.
0:17:56 > 0:17:58- LAUGHTER - I really don't think
0:17:58 > 0:18:01it's the females are taller than the males.
0:18:01 > 0:18:05And, also, I think elephants have the longest gestation period.
0:18:05 > 0:18:08- Well, I beg to differ. - I know you do.
0:18:08 > 0:18:10You're both going to be very cross.
0:18:10 > 0:18:13- The final decision from the panel...- Ish.
0:18:13 > 0:18:16..is that giraffes, well,
0:18:16 > 0:18:19females are, on average, taller than males.
0:18:19 > 0:18:22- We'll go for that one.- Oh, Carol. - SHE LAUGHS
0:18:22 > 0:18:24- Oh, Carol.- Don't worry.
0:18:24 > 0:18:27Absolutely no agreement here, Sara, whatsoever.
0:18:27 > 0:18:30- No.- Any of that brought any clarity to this?
0:18:30 > 0:18:33Do you know what? I think it might be A, actually.
0:18:33 > 0:18:37I think it could be that silly name. I'm going to go for A.
0:18:37 > 0:18:40- You're going to go for A? - Yeah, I am.
0:18:40 > 0:18:43- And I know I'm going to regret this. - OK, here we go.
0:18:43 > 0:18:47You are trusting Rick, who, by the look on his face,
0:18:47 > 0:18:49doesn't trust himself. LAUGHTER
0:18:49 > 0:18:57For £500, were giraffes once called camelopards?
0:19:03 > 0:19:06It's the first one, Sara! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:19:10 > 0:19:14- Best feeling of my life. - You're the best.- Oh!- Brilliant.
0:19:14 > 0:19:16Giraffes were believed, at one time,
0:19:16 > 0:19:20to be a cross between a camel and a leopard.
0:19:20 > 0:19:23Male giraffes are taller.
0:19:23 > 0:19:25- Told you.- There we are. - LAUGHTER
0:19:25 > 0:19:27Children.
0:19:27 > 0:19:33A giraffe's gestation period is between 400 and 460 days.
0:19:33 > 0:19:37The elephant's gestation period is 640 days.
0:19:37 > 0:19:41- Oh.- Wow.- It's almost as if Rick Edwards was right
0:19:41 > 0:19:44on absolutely every fact there.
0:19:44 > 0:19:48- LAUGHTER - I like giraffes. Sorry, camelopards.
0:19:48 > 0:19:50- Well done.- Well done.
0:19:50 > 0:19:51And you were right to go with him.
0:19:51 > 0:19:53That's £500 added to your prize pot,
0:19:53 > 0:19:57- a new total now of £1,300, Sara.- Thank you.
0:19:59 > 0:20:01Let's see if we can get this up to 1,800.
0:20:01 > 0:20:04Here comes your second question in our final round.
0:20:24 > 0:20:28I'm trying to think whether all her novels were published
0:20:28 > 0:20:30during her lifetime.
0:20:30 > 0:20:34- I think they might have been. - Is that your gut?- It is.
0:20:34 > 0:20:38Let's go over and see what disagreements
0:20:38 > 0:20:41our panel can bring to this. THEY LAUGH
0:20:41 > 0:20:42Your debate starts now.
0:20:42 > 0:20:45OK, Jane Austen novels first of all.
0:20:45 > 0:20:49I feel like there was a novel of hers that was published
0:20:49 > 0:20:53- after she died, which feels.. - That sort of...- Rings a bell.
0:20:53 > 0:20:54- It does a bit.- Yeah.
0:20:54 > 0:20:57It feels like there was a Jane Austen novel that...
0:20:57 > 0:20:59- Which one?- She just died and it just came out or something.
0:20:59 > 0:21:01Which one and why, I don't know.
0:21:01 > 0:21:05So, did she live during the reign of George III?
0:21:05 > 0:21:07Well, that's very much asking the question
0:21:07 > 0:21:10- when was George III's reign? - LAUGHTER
0:21:10 > 0:21:14- Which George are we...?- I will very happily defer to you guys on that.
0:21:14 > 0:21:16When was she writing?
0:21:16 > 0:21:18Late 18th, early 19th.
0:21:18 > 0:21:20- Yeah.- Are we thinking that? - That's what I think.
0:21:20 > 0:21:22So, where does that put Bronte, then?
0:21:22 > 0:21:25- I would say Bronte was...- That puts Bronte later than that, doesn't it?
0:21:25 > 0:21:27I think it isn't the first one.
0:21:27 > 0:21:30- I think she's...- I think it... - I think she's older.
0:21:30 > 0:21:32Yes, I think the same.
0:21:32 > 0:21:35All her novels published during her lifetime -
0:21:35 > 0:21:37we think perhaps that could be true.
0:21:37 > 0:21:39But then what you were saying, Sunetra,
0:21:39 > 0:21:41about feeling like she might have had something published
0:21:41 > 0:21:44- posthumously.- There was one book that slipped through the net.
0:21:44 > 0:21:47- That doesn't sound wrong.- And lived during the reign of George III?
0:21:47 > 0:21:49I think we should plump for that one
0:21:49 > 0:21:50because, actually, we don't really know
0:21:50 > 0:21:53about the George III, IV or V situation.
0:21:53 > 0:21:55- We don't really know about any of them.- Well, fifth is...
0:21:55 > 0:21:57We know the fifth - The Madness Of King George.
0:21:57 > 0:21:59- Yeah, that's... - She's way beyond that.
0:21:59 > 0:22:03- Let's go for lived during the reign of George III.- Yeah.- OK.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06Right, the panel's final decision on this is
0:22:06 > 0:22:09Jane Austen actually did live during the reign of George III.
0:22:11 > 0:22:14You initially thought all her novels were published during her lifetime.
0:22:14 > 0:22:17- I did.- Anything in there to make you change your mind?
0:22:17 > 0:22:18Do you know what?
0:22:18 > 0:22:22I think it is possibly lived during the reign of George III,
0:22:22 > 0:22:25so I'm going to change my answer and I'm going to agree with the panel,
0:22:25 > 0:22:29- working on the timeline that I... - Ooh!- ..have in my head.- Pressure.
0:22:29 > 0:22:33Did Jane Austen live during the reign of George III?
0:22:40 > 0:22:43You got it! CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
0:22:43 > 0:22:46Well done! Well done!
0:22:46 > 0:22:48- You played really well. Well done. - Thank you so much. Thank you.
0:22:48 > 0:22:50Just really well played.
0:22:50 > 0:22:52Jane Austen was born in 1775
0:22:52 > 0:22:56when George III was already on the throne.
0:22:56 > 0:22:59Emily Bronte was born in 1818.
0:22:59 > 0:23:05Northanger Abbey and Persuasion were published after her death in 1817.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08So, Sara, that puts another 500 quid into the prize pot.
0:23:08 > 0:23:10You're doing so, so well.
0:23:10 > 0:23:15It means you're going to be playing for £1,800 in today's final debate.
0:23:15 > 0:23:17- Thank you.- Wow.- Thank you.
0:23:17 > 0:23:20What would you like to spend that on?
0:23:20 > 0:23:23My eldest son is moving to London in a couple of months' time.
0:23:23 > 0:23:25His girlfriend is off to uni
0:23:25 > 0:23:28and they're going to start a new life up in London
0:23:28 > 0:23:31and they're going to need some help.
0:23:31 > 0:23:34Absolutely no pressure on the member of the panel
0:23:34 > 0:23:36that you're going to choose.
0:23:36 > 0:23:38Just one question stands between you and that money,
0:23:38 > 0:23:40and that is today's final debate.
0:23:40 > 0:23:43In the final debate, Sara, you'll face just one question
0:23:43 > 0:23:45with six possible answers.
0:23:45 > 0:23:48- Only three of those are correct.- OK.
0:23:48 > 0:23:52In order to win £1,800 today, I'm going to need all three answers.
0:23:52 > 0:23:54- OK.- But don't worry, you're not on your own.
0:23:54 > 0:23:58It is the final debate and so you'll be allowed to choose,
0:23:58 > 0:24:00from our fine panel today,
0:24:00 > 0:24:02one celebrity to play the final debate.
0:24:02 > 0:24:06Who would you like to join you for a final debate?
0:24:06 > 0:24:08Oh, this is a tough one.
0:24:10 > 0:24:13- I think I'm going to go for Carol. - APPLAUSE
0:24:13 > 0:24:16OK, Carol, will you join us, please, for today's final debate?
0:24:19 > 0:24:22So, Carol, Sara has chosen you for the final debate.
0:24:22 > 0:24:23Are you feeling confident?
0:24:23 > 0:24:25- Everything is crossed here, Sara.- Thank you.
0:24:25 > 0:24:28Because it is the final debate, Sara,
0:24:28 > 0:24:30- we're going to give you a choice of two.- OK.- Here we go.
0:24:30 > 0:24:33- What do you fancy from this? - OK, let's see.
0:24:33 > 0:24:35Ooh, fingers crossed.
0:24:38 > 0:24:43My immediate thought on that is Entertainment.
0:24:43 > 0:24:46- Phew! - LAUGHTER
0:24:47 > 0:24:51- So, I take that is agreement. - Yes, definitely.
0:24:51 > 0:24:53We're going for Entertainment.
0:24:54 > 0:24:56You're going to see six possible answers.
0:24:56 > 0:24:59I'm going to need three correct answers.
0:24:59 > 0:25:01All three need to be correct in order to win the money.
0:25:01 > 0:25:05Best of luck. Here's today's final debate.
0:25:12 > 0:25:14Oh, crikey.
0:25:32 > 0:25:35Sara, Carol, for the final time,
0:25:35 > 0:25:38- your debate starts now. - OK.- Not Sade.
0:25:38 > 0:25:42- Definitely not, no.- Bananarama? - Bananarama, I'm absolutely positive.
0:25:42 > 0:25:45- I can see them in my head in the original filming...- Yeah.
0:25:45 > 0:25:47..for the media coverage.
0:25:47 > 0:25:51- Boomtown Rats? Bob Geldof was there. - I'm sure that they were part of it.
0:25:51 > 0:25:55- I don't remember Kylie Minogue being at the original.- Status Quo?
0:25:55 > 0:25:57I'm fairly certain Status Quo were involved.
0:25:57 > 0:25:59- I know one of the acts flew... - Yes, they did.
0:25:59 > 0:26:02..Stateside, as well, but I can't remember which one.
0:26:02 > 0:26:04- But they still played at Wembley Stadium.- They did both.
0:26:04 > 0:26:06- Did they go to three different places?- Yeah.
0:26:06 > 0:26:09- Dexy's Midnight Runners, I'm sure didn't.- I don't know.
0:26:09 > 0:26:11I don't think they were either.
0:26:11 > 0:26:14I think, out of those three, I'd say Bananarama,
0:26:14 > 0:26:17Status Quo and The Boomtown Rats. That would be my initial...
0:26:17 > 0:26:19- I would agree with you on that. - OK. Yeah?- Yes.
0:26:19 > 0:26:22- We're going to go with that?- Oh! - LAUGHTER
0:26:24 > 0:26:29OK, Sara, I need three answers.
0:26:29 > 0:26:35OK, Bananarama, Status Quo and The Boomtown Rats.
0:26:35 > 0:26:37- We need all three to be correct...- OK.
0:26:37 > 0:26:39- ..or you do leave with nothing.- Yeah.
0:26:39 > 0:26:41- Best of luck. Here we go. - OK, thank you.
0:26:41 > 0:26:45Were Status Quo one of the original Live Aid Wembley acts?
0:26:52 > 0:26:55- Yes!- They were. APPLAUSE
0:26:57 > 0:27:02Let's see if The Boomtown Rats were also an original Live Aid act
0:27:02 > 0:27:04to keep us on track for £1,800.
0:27:12 > 0:27:15APPLAUSE
0:27:15 > 0:27:17The Boomtown Rats, of course, Bob Geldof's band.
0:27:17 > 0:27:22- Well played.- Yeah. - Which brings us to Bananarama.
0:27:23 > 0:27:26So, if Bananarama were one of the acts
0:27:26 > 0:27:30that played at Live Aid at Wembley, you leave with £1,800.
0:27:30 > 0:27:32Is Bananarama the correct answer?
0:27:43 > 0:27:48- Oh, Sara!- Oh, no!- Never mind. - It's the wrong answer.- Never mind.
0:27:48 > 0:27:50The correct answer was...
0:27:50 > 0:27:53- Sade!- It was Sade. You ruled it out so quickly.
0:27:53 > 0:27:56I didn't remember her being there either. Isn't that amazing?
0:27:56 > 0:27:58Sara, the members of Bananarama
0:27:58 > 0:28:01- were on the Band Aid single... - There we are.
0:28:01 > 0:28:02..which predated Live Aid.
0:28:02 > 0:28:04- I'm so sorry, Sara.- Not at all.
0:28:04 > 0:28:06- You played the game so, so well. - No, not at all.
0:28:06 > 0:28:08Thanks for coming to see us today.
0:28:08 > 0:28:10- I've really enjoyed it. - You are so lovely.
0:28:10 > 0:28:12Let's hear it for Sara. Give it up one more time.
0:28:12 > 0:28:15- APPLAUSE - Thank you.- I'm so sorry.- Not at all.
0:28:15 > 0:28:17- Not at all. - That is it for Debatable.
0:28:17 > 0:28:21There's just enough time for me to thank the fantastic panel,
0:28:21 > 0:28:25Carol Kirkwood, Sunetra Sarker and Rick Edwards.
0:28:25 > 0:28:27I do hope you've enjoyed watching.
0:28:27 > 0:28:30We will see you next time for more heated debates,
0:28:30 > 0:28:32but now, it's goodbye from me.